>finally watch Madoka Rebellion (slowfag, I know)
>get to the ending
Well shit, now I know how /co/ felt when Man Of Steel was released last Summer, because goddamn, either people'll love the ending or really, REALLY hate it.
>Caring about how /co/mblr feels
Why would you start this thread off with such a terrible image?
Wait, there were people on /a/ who hated Rebellion's ending?
>man of steel
What the hell?
Yup. To be honest, I hated the ending too, then I started to think about it. It would've been more effective if it were explained a bit more
controversial for trending hipsters on a, go anywhere else you'll see no one is talking about this
Superman has always been about "not killing anyone" then the fuck breaks zods neck and kills him in the movie
Superman kills Zod by breaking his neck and consider it out of character, same with Homura when she started turning into Satan, that also made some people think that's out of character for Homura
+1 for "REALLY hate it"
Like seriously, wtf man? It's like they were trying to hurt my feelings as much as possible. After such a beautiful ending to the series that movie can eat a bag of dicks. Worse than AO.
Well, probably about a zillion people already died with all those buildings they trashed, so getting fixated on that would be pretty silly.
Eureka Seven AO? What's wrong with that?
Superman franchise has been shit for years. This years reboot didn't do it any good.
series in general was disappointing, so little of the universe is explained and is banked entirely on people just assuming things about it which is dumb
Homura did nothing wrong
What kind of tumblr shit are you OP?
Yes, completely destroyed what I initially felt was a more or less positive ending for the tv series.
At this point I think I'm nearly done picking up all the shattered pieces and gluing them back into the end facts Rebellion left us.
Do people not realize this was an origin story and that this was perhaps the moment he decided to not kill anyone?
There's no need to know everything about it. The emotions it evokes are what's important. Te feelings you get after episode 3, or the ones you get while watching episode 10, that's what matters. The way it ends is just this amazingly pure catharsis. A perfect ending to an emotional roller coaster. Then the movie comes along and says "guess what? the ride actually ends with the train falling off the tracks and now you're paralyzed, fucker!" It's not cool at all.
Why do you respond in a thread made by a clear piece of shit?
The entire movie is a load of shit.
Did the Superman movie explore the idea of 'what if Superman (who is basically mankind's savior) "sinned"' and how the world and himself would react to such a thing?
If that happens right at the end that's stupid.
>Yes, completely destroyed what I initially felt was a more or less positive ending for the tv series.
You know that was the point right?
i felt no emotion and had nothing to project
guess cause i've never been a 14 year old girl
Homu taking on the role of the bad guy and turning all her friends against her due to excessive methods all for the sake of Madoka's protection is totally out of character.
It's not like she did it in ep1 of the TV series or anything.
>So little explained
>Basically everything is spelled out for you.
>everything is fully explained and nothing is left open
>displays lack of empathy
BDs out yet or not?
Rebellion answered a question most people never asked.
>Did the Superman movie explore the idea of 'what if Superman (who is basically mankind's savior) "sinned"' and how the world and himself would react to such a thing?
Like the other anon said, it's an origin story and no one even knows yet who the Superman is, so why would they put such a corny Christian theme on it?
I think there was an episode from the animated series that was like that. Supes decides "fuck this, all the bad guys are getting heat-vision lobotomies" and then becomes some kind of dictator or something.
Seems that way, doesn't mean I'm gonna suck Gen's dick for deciding to change it.
Admittedly at least the way they did it was believable, I mean Homura wasn't completely happy in ep. 12 pre-Rebellion but I did think she was happy enough to keep fighting until fate decided it was time to die. Instead it seems more likely that Homura started scheming to ruin this universe in less than half a year in Madoka's universe.
ok seriously kid stop doing this in every thread
Remember batman was not supposed to kill people? I suppose all those ninjas in Batman Begins were not people. Hollywood is fucking up classics to seem edgy and modern.
I guess that means Madoka's speech during their space hug was completely worthless eh?
the focus of the scene is not the philo gibberish but that they love each other deeply and want much sex
Anyone gotta good estimate of when the BD will be out?
I don't really remember Batman killing anyone though, in any of the three movies. At least not with his own hands.
>people thought man of steel was deep
>people think madoka is deep
haha oh christ allmighty you people.are idiots
>Madoka comforting Homura as a goddess would their follower to never give up. Promising that they'll meet again soon.
>Reduced to Yuri trash that serves no other purpose because Homura didn't listen
Please stop this.
>"Bruce, kill this farmer and become the leader of League of Shadows"
>POP, blows up the whole thing instead.
>Instead it seems more likely that Homura started scheming to ruin this universe in less than half a year in Madoka's universe
Oh my fucking god, did you open your eyes while watching Rebellion?
Right before when Madoka found Homura in the Gondola, Homura had a monologue about how unforgivable it was to abandon the duty to fight wraiths. She was totally PRO-Madokami.
madoka fans everyone
It's their own fault for apparently filling a wood building with gunpowder barrels and ignoring all safety procedures.
2 april 2014
4500 j for normal version
9500 j for blue ray collector edition. (no dvd)
But Homura's decision was completely in character. Rebellion was an extremely organic continuation of the original series.
So what motivated AI YO? The idea that a Madoka who knows nothing about witches or suffering wouldn't want to abandon her friends or family? Is that what supposedly convinced this Pro-Madokami Homura? Or maybe it was the threat of the incubators trying to capture Madoka, apparently it's unforgivable to abandon your duties but full out betraying Madoka is a-ok?
Homura had amnesia in her own barrier that slowly went away, for all we know she didn't know about her own planned Rebellion until they left the barrier, which just happens to have Homura grinning like a psychopath when Madokami arrives to purify her.
The hell are you talking about? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
If you mean why didn't Madoka see what Homura might have done, maybe she could only see all the pre-Madokami time lines, and "what might have been/could be".
>The idea that a Madoka who knows nothing about witches or suffering wouldn't want to abandon her friends or family?
Yes? Homura knows that Madoka is able to sacrifice herself for other people. Her wish was made to prevent that from happening.
I hate pictures like this. They are so fucking autistic. Do you think this is some kind of competition?
madokami alterate the law, not the entropy (exept for the memories).
so is plausible to do not reconize (till the very end) the meneace.
someone need to stop homura in order to establish again an order.
Incubators will sure help, they need to take back earth.
Someone fitted for this job will be Walpurgis, who eventualy bring despair and feed incubators.
IN an endless loop.
Op is from /co/.
The point is simply I don't like that they made such a close vow with Madoka even making Homura her best friend and just have it almost completely fail in changing Homura at all or at least making her be willing to fight for Madoka's sake.
It's their decision as the writers and I know I'm the one who has to change as the story progresses, but its difficult dealing with this fact that Rebellion shows that space hug was utterly pointless in convincing Homura to trust Madoka.
>The idea that a Madoka who knows nothing about witches or suffering wouldn't want to abandon her friends or family?
You think she actually wanted to abandon her family and friends? She made the decision to become LoC DESPITE feeling that way, is what the flower field scene was conveying.
>people think defending life of humans with deadly force is immoral
The person who is immoral is aggressor. He is the one causing the trouble. Saying superman is immoral for killing him to defend Louis and thousands of people is retarded.
Killing didn't defile superman.
Why was Man of Stell's ending controversial? I saw it and it was shit, but I didn't see anything controversial.
I haven't seen anyone willing and trying their damnedest in everything for Madoka's sake as much as Homura. The girl was even willing to forgo the only salvation she could have had and be killed as a witch.
The whole movie is controversial
It's so insulting & stupid to be a Superman movie. And Superman stories are stupid.
Madoka didn't have complete control, she didn't even know if Homura would remember her. She just said to not give up, and that magical girls make miracles come true.
You seem to assume that Madoka is all powerful and knows best, and therefore Homura "betrays" her because she didn't trust her, rather than considering Homura might be doing the only thing that can give Madoka her humanity and life back(rather than being a slave to the law of cycles).
see>>100648464 and >>100648504
Pretty sure the speech at the end only validates my point. Mado saw what Homu had to do in her to protect her and thus, called her her greatest/best friend.
>Only now starting to watch Madoka because of what I've heard and the movie
>Only skimmed threads before so I thought it was a feel good hardcore befriending animu like Nanoha.
I feel so fucking bad right now. I wasn't ready for this. I feel like a friend invited me over to see his new puppy which he proceeds to disembowel right in front of me.
Who are you quoting?
On another note: Akemi Homura did nothing wrong!
Rebellion was the best thing that could happen to the franchise. It was a great setup for the next series.
Anybody thinking otherwise is delusional.
>finally watch Madoka Rebellion (slowfag, I know)
Wait, did you watched the camrip or there is a b-ray rip yet?
went to a local theater that was still showing in the series.
Dunno about being best thing, but I do like Rebellion.
went to a local theater that was still showing the movie. it was a bitch to get to that theater though.
Do we have scans of the 3rd volume of the manga yet?
Look what I found on /u/
>kyouko teaches her daughter noriko and homura’s daughter honoka about the miracle of gay life
>based on ange, DL, and lyra’s science babies AU
How long can you last?
Yeah, Madoka can see them all because she's everywhere.
What happens when she's not everywhere?
>fuck this, all the bad guys are getting heat-vision lobotomies
It was actually a good episode.
That was in Justice League not Superman TAS.
I know my DCAU Because DCAU is the only thing that didn't suck between the 1990s and mid 2000s
It's still not as good as Patriot Act
>if it were explained a bit more
>killing the speculah before S2 happens.
Regardless of whether Homura did the right thing or not, I gotta give this series for actually saying that girls CAN love girls.
So many anime shows cop out and just say "Oh they're just good friends/it's a teenage phase/sisterly love".
Of course, there's Sakura and Tomoyo but that was only one-sided.
>origins story about Clark growing up and coping with his powers
>in a fight against some one as powerful as him he is pressured on letting people die or killing the bag guy
>kills the bad guy and spends the rest of the scene crying like a baby
>time looping for the sake of madoka for who knows how long
>slowly loosing her humanity at each loop
>doesn't even considers herself a person anymore
>the person she is doing all this for suddenly becomes a god and erases herself of the universe
>homu cant forget and goes crazy
>eventually uses her powers to become an entity as powerful as madokami so she can recreate the universe with madoka on her side
none were controversial, people are just stupid
There's nothing implicitly stating yuri in Madoka?
I think he meant the opposite, i.e. that they actually came out and directly stated that Homura is in love with Madoka.
Second question mark wasn't meant to be there.
There's nothing implicitly stating yuri in Madoka.
>eventually uses her powers to become an entity as powerful as madokami so she can recreate the universe with madoka on her side
She didn't do that. She took Madoka out of the Law of the Cycles and stole part of her power to recreate a world where Madoka is a normal girl.
>There's nothing implicitly stating yuri in Madoka.
by stealing her power homu does becomes as powerful as madokami
You just reworded the post, anon
Wops, misread that she joins Madoka in recreating worlds. Sorry.
There's different kinds of love.
It doesn't automatically mean she wants Madoka's pussy.
There's hints, like the Saya/Kyou hand-holding, but nothing definitive.
Rebellion is perfect.
Homura didn't steal Madoka's power, she boosted her own to unbelievable levels by converting hope and despair to love, and she then used that power to pull the human part of Madoka back into the universe that she overwrote with her labyrinth.
I'm kinda interested in watching this. How's the camrip quality?
There is no reference to Homura stealing part of Madokami's power. She is strong because love is an ultimate emotion.
>I'll suffer for you, live for you, die for you and sacrifice your memories of me so you can have your family back, EVERYTHING OUT OF LOVE.
>But only has friends.
Sure thing buddy.
>There's different kinds of love.
>It doesn't automatically mean she wants Madoka's pussy.
Homura is clearly romantically in love with Madoka. Only madmen, pedants, and trolls would disagree at this point. Which is why it's disputed so much on /a/.
>There is no reference to Homura stealing part of Madokami's power.
Spool thread, is not a confirmation but you can interpret it that way.
>My one and only friend
Too much of a stretch. The pink spool also appeared as a symbolic prop in Homura's labyrinth midway through the movie. It represents Madoka, and Homura isn't stealing Madoka's power, she's sealing it (and Madoka) away inside her Dark Orb, to be hers forever.
There is a mention in booklet that AI YO had been changed because it was too explicit. Clearly they don't want to alienate waifufags.
Yuri only means love between girls, what kind of love is not relevant, anon.
We're way past that as of Rebellion.
>I don't expect anyone to understand.
>These feelings belong only to me.
>They're meant for Madoka only!
>This is the height of human emotions.
>Intenser even than any hope...
>Something deeper than any despair.
I will admit that Alice and Ayaya are hopelessly gay. Still don't think Homura is though.
These two, on the other hand
I ain't watching that shit, the main run was enough for me.
Man, you are retarded.
I think he meant the original line had to be changed to AI YO to avoid losing part of the core base.
Gott ist tot.
>HomuMado isn't gay
>I think he meant the original line had to be changed to AI YO to avoid losing part of the core base.
What on earth was it originally? "I'm madly in love with Madoka and want to make babies with her in a nonconventional way!"?
I seem to recall the opposite: that they made it more explicit in the end.
I thought the ending was actually pretty hilarious
Do you really need that much explaining?
Do people really need things completely explained to them? Holy shit use your critical thinking skills, Rebellion was explained adequately
It starts out in an idyllic Mitakihara. All five girls are alive and friends. Homura notices this is wrong and realizes the illusion is a witch's barrier, even though witches should not exist. Homura discovers the QB made an experiment to see what would happen to a soul gem if the law of cycles couldn't reach it normally. Homura is the witch that created a barrier in her own soul gem. Madoka and the other free Homura and stop QB's plan. Madoka is about to purify Homura when she goes AI YO and then shit gets real
>These two, on the other hand
and back on the first hand...
They're equally implicated. But still not definitive.
Explain AI YO and how it works.
you see, when one magical girl loves another very much...
why don't we tell you this when you're older.
homu wasn't gay at first, just a weak minded girl that was a bit awkward and had madoka as her role model
the more she loops, the more that vision gets distorted
Yes its a different love than what Sayaka and Kyouko are feeling, but its still love
Homu worked so hard and so long to get madoka on her side, safe, that she gets obcessed with madoka, Its a form of love, a non healthy form of love, but its one
>Miyamoto:But I wasn’t sure if we should have her actually say all the lines when she confesses her feelings. I consulted Director Shinbou about it, and we came to the conclusion that how it is now works the best. And so, this is what we did with her lines.
They couldn't just remove love part, but made it possible to interpret it as friendship.
>They're equally implicated
Nope, you're retarded.
You know how magical girls go witches when full despair happens? Homura went full love and became something new.
>people who hate Rebellion's ending
In what way?
I'm retarded, so break it down for me.
>Homura went full love and became something new.
Yeah, and we never received any clue that that could happen until it happened, you know how you call that?
And that's the main problem with the movie, she is willing to do this...ten minutes later...she says "No Fuck this and everything else, I want you all for me"
You being blind?
>There's different kinds of love.
>It doesn't automatically mean she wants Madoka's pussy.
She wants the Madonkadonk. It's different. Probably.
That's the basic idea behind Injustice ( comic and vidya ) : Supes becomes so inherently bent on eradicating evil he becomes the ultimate dictator and another Supes from a parallel dimension has to come in and slap his shit
Homura does it all for Madoka.
She wants Madoka to have a happy life without the horrible responsibility. She wants Madoka to have friends and a family.
>Man of Murder bullshit
How dare you. This already ruined /co/, now you want it here?
her goal was always to save madoka
when madoka saved herself and erased her whole existence from the universe, it broke humura inside
there is a scene in the movie, explaining how bad homura felt when she had several memories about madoka, but no one did
she got crazy, and when she saw an oportunity to live in a world where madoka was alive and was her friend, she took it
I don't see how killing someone before they kill a bunch of innocents can be murder.
It's self defense.
because morons don't understand that the movie was an origin story that explains exactly why superman has to be "no killing, no matter what"
Basically, superman keeps being way too trusting during the film, and in the end essentially puts himself in a situation where he's the ONLY person that can stop the enemy, and every second the enemy is alive, more people die. He had to kill him, and he immediately wept for he knew what he had done was terrible.
It's like spiderman losing uncle ben to the robber he let go. But ten times worse.
So edgy hipster comic fans wanted a reason to hate the movie, and so they complained that superman was the cause of everything (which is bullshit, Zod flat out says they were going from planet to planet looking for the colonists) and that he could easily have simply knocked zod out instead of killing him and all sorts of other things.
Completely ignoring that Zod was genetically programmed to be the dick he was, and ultimately had little if any free will. Clark could chose and that's why the blood on Clark's hands meant so much more than the blood on Zod's.
It was an amazingly powerful scene that MOST people in /co/ appreciate. But there's a sizable subgroup that just won't shut the fuck up because they don't want anything being better than their precious dark knight movie.
>tfw it's 2014
>What is foreshadowing
Fucking watch the movie again
If you seriously need AI YO explained to you, I hope you don't watch anything more complicated than this
Do we have scans of the 3rd manga volume? If we don't, I can take some pictures if anyone is interested.
I took that to mean that they left Homura's confession in as it originally was. How could it possibly be more explicit? Homura certainly wasn't going to say she wanted to bang her.
I think everything in Man of Steel would have been easier to take if Superman had showed a little intention on saving people and protecting the city, but he doesn't, he goes all out, care nothing for the damage and deaths he causes while fighting Zod, that's not Superman.
True the movie takes a more realistic aproach and with this means that no matter what people will die, but it's the fact that he doesn't even care or attempts to minimize the damage is what pisses people off about the movie.
I know that, but Madoka willingly sacrificed herself so that everyone could be saved, and that's what Homura doesn't understand and doesn't care, in the game she flat out tells Madoka "Let's Go, no one will blame you if you don't do anything" and this was before she became a magical girl, so ever since this moment Homura shows her lack of empaty toward everyone that is not Madoka.
When she was willing to become a witch to save Madoka in the movie, I saw it as a great thing, because I thought Homura had finally understood the meaning of Madoka's sacrifice and why Madoka did it in the first place, to save not only Homura but everyone, I thought Homura had finally got all that in the moment and I loved the movie.
But then later she throws all that through the window and goes back to being the same selfish person she always was...but ten times worse.
It's that sudden shift that annoys me, if the bit of Homura willing to become a witch wasn't there, I think the movie would be a lot better.
They only foreshadow why she do it, not how her power works or come to be, faggot.
So when's the BD coming out anyway?
so you are mad because she is a real selfish human who puts herself in front of anything?
the twist is that homura will never learn, and that years worth of looping damaged her enough that she is not capable of moving on
April 2nd preorder has been up for about a week.
Except they do from the beginning. You're just being mislead by how Homura is an amnesiac for most of the film.
Homura understands Madoka's sacrifice, but doesn't agree with it. She left Law of Cycles working, so that Madoka's wish is not in vain.
Also, Urobuchi mentioned that Homura is supposed to be more conflicted with final outcome and movie doesn't convey that properly.
So basically in the end Homura is an irredeemable monster that can't be saved and has to be put down?
Is that really what the intention was all the time?
If that's the case then fine, my main problem with the movie would be gone.
Someone can tell me when's the BD coming out?
Well that explains A LOT actually.
Did you miss those clock ticking backwards in the OP?
MOVIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHED IN REVERSE
Just a insanely broken person with an obsessive affection towards madoka
If she didn't had the means to reunite with madoka, she would probably had offed herself when she started to go crazy from the lack of madoka in the new universe madokami created
None of that explains how her powers work, these are, again, her reasons for doing so.
Are you guys new to the genre or something?
Homura is necessarily evil, not because she wants to live in her own labyrinth where she is surrounded by her own despair and reminded of her own faults and fears every waking moment, but because she wants Madoka to have a happy, normal life.
Wow, that image is normalfag as shit, OP.
I hope you drown in a septic tank.
WITH herself in the middle, she doesn't care about all of Madoka's necesities, she cares only about the ones that involve her in the ecuation.
If she had that me ntality, she wouldn't have done any of this and would respect Madoka's decision.
You sure that's not just symbolic of her desire to turn back time and redo everything? Because that's what she does as Homulilly, and she does it again as Akuma Homura. March 25th, bitches.
Except she does respect Madoka's decision, she just doesn't think that Madoka's sacrifice is necessary to that end.
That's why the Law of Cycles still exists and Homura is still combating the wraiths.
No, my interpretation of SYMBOLISM is the only correct one and you're wrong, fuck you.
What's so controversial about this Madoka movie thing? Would someone mind giving a summary?
>Except she does respect Madoka's decision
> Madoka: This job really makes me happy!
> Homura: No, fuck you, you are going to become a doctor.
And we don't even know if the Law of Cycles still exists or if it is working properly, anon.
>They only foreshadow why she do it, not how it works or comes to be
From the beginning, the despair that slowly crept upon Homura's soul gem was love-colored, not curse-colored, and she intended to become a devil for Madoka's sake. She simply lost her way for a month inside her own world without her memories of ever succumbing to despair.
Oh, it's you again, fuck off.
>please explain how magic works
why do girls become witches when they are really sad or don't recharge their gem?
How are girls able to manifest weapons out of their skirt while still following the laws of conservation?
How is kyubey able to make the soul into a tangible object?
ITS MAGIC SON
The best explanation is AI YO, magical girls magic depends on their emotional state, since AI YO is like a super potent mix of despair and hope it probably give homuka super powers to match since both those emotions directly effect the state of the magical girl.
This thread needs more clara dolls.
I will start dumping it.
Huh? Are you the same butthurt anon bringing this up from before? Because it's retarded.
The fact is that you can't build a respectable theory on the film without explaining the myriad of Chekov's Guns.
So, if you have a better theory, go ahead and explain how it ties into everything.
Speaking of that, has it been confirmed or hinted that we will get another season or people are just speculating?
But those clocks stop at midnight. First showing of the movie also happened at midnight. That cannot be coincidental.
Yakimochi - Jealousy
but there are only camrips available, right?
why would anyone want to watch them
No, what? What is your alternate explanation for the events that transpired? Because nothing in the movie or that scene is clear, so you must have a different spin on things.
Why do you insist on acting like a child? Did you get try to interpret the symbolism your way and just give up when you realized how stupid you've been? Or are you so delusional that you think implicit messages don't matter?
Right - Usotsuki (Liar)
Left - Warukuchi (Slander)
because we want to know what is happening as soon as possible so we dont get spoiled
madoka is a cash cow, speculah or not it's very likely.
Okubyou - Coward
Homu's wish was to protect Madoka
Homu stole Madoka's power in order to protect her
not out of character at all
also Man of Steel was garbage, just horribly written garbage, directed garbage, even the actors were garbage. Just consider it fan fic
>not going to watch it in theatres regardless of the closest showing
Basically Homura realizes that not even Madoka is safe from QB and that Madoka wished to stay human, then she goes full dark god on us.
Left : Mie - Vanity
Right: Wagamama - Selfish
Homura gets broken and becomes satan so she can have madoka on her side all the time
It was more like feeding a chicken and then get one of its eggs, the one who gave unlimited magic potential to Madoka was Homura, Homura just got a fraction from infinite.
>None of that explains how her powers work
>MAGICAL girl show
Hahahahaha, oh fuck
Left: Nekura - Pessimistic
Middle: Ganko - Stubborn
Right: Manuke - Stupid-looking
Fuck, in this one the katakana is quite hard to read
Well there was that scene where they talked and you should watch the movie again. It was pretty clear why Homura decided to do that.
I want doujin where clara dolls rape Madoka.
>"Aw, you're all so cute! Are you looking for someone to play with?"
Madoka's in over her head.
Man of Steel was such a horrible film holy shit.
Rebellion was worse.
イバリ Ibari - Pride
The archive state her name is ibachi.
fun fact: ibari means urine
>Calls anon the fuck out
>"Shit, I can't admit that I'm acting like a bigot! I'll just pretend I didn't notice this post and not respond."
Namake - Neglec
1. I don't disagree
2. I don't __.agree
Noroma - Blockhead/Gullible person
Higami - Inferiority complex
Reiketsu - Cold-heartedness
these dolls dont really match their name
He posted best Clara. I think that wraps things up. Let's all go home.
But Wagamama is best doll, anon.
Wait I got one more, here it is
Ai Yo - It's love
Which one that make Sayaka flying?
It's like people are forgetting Homura's wish. It's completely selfish and isn't "right" to anyone but her.
It wasn't for her to be happy, it wasn't for Madoka to be happy, it wasn't for them to be happy together.
It's like you're forgetting that the entire series is about the discrepancies between what is wished and what is truly desired.
Either way, Homura's intentions in timeline 1 when she made her original wish are completely different from what she desires now.
Is the heart that wished for such a peaceful world so bad that it needs to be judged?
Madohomu the best
>thread ruined by image dumps
Holy fuck. I thought this level of idiocy was only in /u/. I guess the fag made his way here.
Almost done. I just need to put them on one computer and transfer with USB stick to another computer.
>and movie doesn't convey that properly
Confirmed for not watching the movie/not paying attention
They were pretty blatant at it during the end and at the stinger.
>Is the heart that wished for such a peaceful world so bad that it needs to be judged?
Sayaka later called her the Devil for what she did to Madoka, though.
There's no such thing as 'ruining' a thread with image dumps. If you want to continue the conversation that left off before the dump, feel free to. If a thread prunes earlier because of a dump, so what?
Because Homura is a silent scapegoat. Around others she plays the part of a villain, but then when she's on her own she dances to/hums/declares, "Mada dame yo."
Not yet. The night is still half-eaten.
What color will morning come in?
Real-life Ai doll when?
Homura will turn out to have been good all along just like within the TV series.
Love isn't wrong.
Rebellion's ED is so fucking good. I never expect them to make OSTs better than original series, but they did. Can't wait for BDs.
Homu can go fuck herself.
>have to life in this world for 75 more days
Damn, I wanna suicide faster after listening the ost 10 times.
Kajiura outdid herself with the entire OST. I was surprised too, because I didn't really agree with the direction taken by the remixes from the first two movies, like the orchestral of Decretum which is far outstripped in emotional impact by the original with it's acoustic riff and the breakdown-moment evoked by the flute solo.
/a/ I have no fucking idea how to perceive this show, no idea really.
What I mean is should I see it as a average Mahou Shoujo with edgy story or a horror story involving Sci-Fi girls that looks like magical girls?
So an horror/thriller show with little girls as characters or a Edgy Mahou Shoujo?
I think the first thing that you need to do is drop the "edgy" word and then we'll talk.
You would say that, wouldn't you, Homura?
I don't like it either what I was trying to show is a point of view of those who use it.
But sure I would say then a Grimdark Mahou Shoujo. Now we can talk.
People thought Man of Steel was controversial?
Was there controversy? Yes.
Therefore it's controversial. It's literally that simple.
The characters are a fusion of magical-girl archetypes and Ume's Hidamari Sketch cast, while the narrative takes cues from all sorts of stories Urobuchi has read and becomes something of its own. Some would call it genre deconstruction, while some would simply say that the series simply uses literary devices that the genre typically avoids.
So I should look for Urobuchi works and try to understand his patterns right? That way I would understand his motives behind creating this story?
/co/ crossboarders are the worst
It would definitely give you a strong insight into the characters he creates. For people who were familiar with his works, knowing he wrote Madoka's script is basically a huge, nebulous spoiler.
He's very well known for his works where anyone can die, guns show pragmatism in contrast to the fantasy worlds, stuff like that.
He started off in eroge where being edgy for the sake of being edgy is commonplace and his talent shone in contrast to the other dark works, because he doesn't write deaths without significance.
AoA BD announcement when
I feel like the tornado scene was more controversial. Also the whole "destroying the last chance to save Krypton for no reason instead of just killing Zod and terraform Mars or some shit to save his homeworld" was fucking stupid.
Wow, this movie's ending was mindfuckery at best
>I don't usually contribute anything, but when I do, it's just bitching about people who are actually discussing the topic!
Homura did nothing wrong.
That didn't stop them from putting corny Christian themes in it though.
>The whole scene in the church
>The Jesus pose as he's floating in space
Superman probably couldn't even kill walpurgis.
They're pretty bad though.
It is silly and that's what the movies are trying to address. Superheroes are often written around literary conventions like, "he must not kill," which is retarded because death is a fundamental aspect of life, the universe, and everything. Anyone who has graduated from the mental level of a fourth-grader can see why sweeping death under the rug is retarded, so why does it happen in comic books targeted toward older readers?
Pictures taken with camera raws, yes.
Not as much as you.
>destroying the last chance to save Krypton for no reason
But that's wrong. So long as Superman exists, Krypton can be revived from his cells. Science and society just need to develop to a point where it's feasible. But Zod couldn't accept a peaceful solution because "HERP I'M EVIL AND SHIT"
Why do you have such a boner for them?
So the fuck what if they are? How does your ad hominem pertain to the original topic?
>"Rebellion had a more controversial ending than Man of Steel."
>"Yeah, well, you're stupid because you're from /co/."
You seem to be under the impression that /co/ is relevant to the discussion when it's not. If all you have to bring to the table is metashit, why even post? Even casuals, newshits, and crossboarders at least post about anime and manga. You're just a blight on the community who doesn't even know it.
>Superman has always been about "not killing anyone" then the fuck breaks zods neck and kills him in the movie
Only if you're a dumbass who knows nothing about him. Superman killed Zod in the original comics back in the day after Zod murdered at least millions, and he did it as well in the older movies. He was also fully prepared to kill Anti-Moniter at the end of Crisis of Infinite Worlds, and after the Future League of Evil killed Lana in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow he was one step away from finishing them as confirmed by the mind reader. Although in his defense in terms of the last one, he took away his own powers after he killed Mr.Mxy who went full evil.
It's just that "No killing rule" is such a big thing now that it retroactively washes over all the shit these heroes have done in the past.
He is so ridiculously OP he surely could.
Fuck off /co/
>people defending Rebelion
Superior duo coming through.
>stop liking things I don't like
>Superior pandering duo
>stop liking what I don't like
>Buzzword spamming fags still can't accept they were wrong about KyouSaya
Without Homura, neither of these relationships ever would have borne fruit.
Lick your goddess's feet.
You cant like Rebelion simply because it is retarded and unneeded addition. It is just pandering shit meant to drag more money from otaku.
Oh no! It's a demon!
No responses. Did that anon just give up and leave, or are they still around? It's probably the latter, and they're the anon spamming the one-line buzzword insults that contribute nothing to the discussion.
>homu pls go, we're trying to fuck
stop liking what I don't like
That face is creepy.
>If all you have to bring to the table is metashit
I'm not bringing a stupid comparison as the OP post. Why in the fuck would that be acceptable? And please avoid assuming about shit you don't know about.
You can defeat love demons by giving them valentines chocolate, right?
The entire series and the anime industry is an unneeded addition to society as a whole. What's your point?
It seems grimdark and edgey because it removes common tropes with magical girl genre like defeating enemies with love and friendship and characters coming to life after 2 episodes.
Its a Psychological Mahou shoujo Thriller
>You can't like this cause "otaku cred"
>implying people care
nigga, you dumb
>It's stupid because I say so!
Clearly the discussion is relevant, because as you can see from this topic, both Rebellion and Man of Steel have very controversial events that no one can agree on months after their release.
No, they only accept Madokas.
Send in the Madokas.
Killing Zod was not controversial. Zod wanting to move his head and not his eyes to killing people was controversial. Greatest general on Krypton losing to a no-name kryptonian guy and can't even move his fucking eyes? No thanks.
Easily the most boner-inducing gaze we've seen from Cake Homura yet.
>man of steel
The fuck are you talking about
I was upset by the ending after watching it, but after watching it a few more times and really thinking about it, I'm even more upset by the fact that it completely overshadowed the Homulily chapter. Everything in the movie that happened before Homura grabbed Madokami out of the sky is completely irrelevant, except maybe the flower field scene. If they really had to go the Akuma Homura route, they could have at least integrated the two parts more... Instead they prioritized it being a TWEEST by giving it zero buildup, and this is the result.
Meduka is cool.
it's not like the ending was what ruined it, it was just bad to begin with.
We're going to need more Homus
Well, this matter has already been discussed. Maybe you could reply to one of the above posts instead of walking in like the topic revolves around you and everyone should restart the discussion solely for your convenience?
>I know how /co/ felt when Man Of Steel was released last Summer
Adding a /co/ title to the mix doesn't bring anything more than a comparison between them and then the direction of the thread moves solely to Madoka.
Who the fuck cares? Nobody.
You haven't heard the long rants fans go on in regards to "Not my Superman" over this movie?
Just to get a sheer taste of the level of fan backlash that got you can watch Linkara's hour rather autistic VLOG about this where he just keeps going over "This is not Superman, this is a mockery".
Controversial? I thought that ending made a lot of sense. Superman had only two choices: Kill Zod or Let Zod kill people. He had only two choices because he is weak, had he been strong, he could beat Zod easily, but that was not the case. That is why he screamed at the ending, he saw how weak he was.
Yeah, Rebellion is so hated.
Like we saw in the earlier scene, controlling the eyes isn't that easy when they're shooting beams. Maybe it forces them to face more and less forward and he would've needed to turn his whole head.
But yeah, the way Sups won kinda bugged me too. Zod just made a speech half a minute earlier about how he was born to be a warrior, trained to control his senses, etc, etc, and Superman grew up on a fucking farm, yet Superman somehow defeats him without much effort anyway. Logically, there should've been no way for him to win with brute force alone.
We need more Homu/
They could have been together in yuri valhalla fine without her.
And there are right, this movie was garbage.
But not because of the ending. He killed people before. He killed Zod in the old movies too.
Damn computer freezing just when I try to do something.
Are they trying to make Homu look the sexiest, or is it just unavoidable?
What the fuuuuuuck
Devil is seductive.
Hanokage always goes to the extreme. Homura didn't look that insidious in the movie.
Most of the comments I've heard about the movie have been very positive. I, too, liked it a lot. It's definitely among the top when it comes to superhero movies. People who hate the film either expected too much, or don't really realize how fucking awful most comic-based movies are.
>everyone runs the fuck away
Homura confirmed for creepy with no friends.
Where are my Devil Homu doujins...
I'd say she looks about as insidious there as she does in the scene with Sayaka at least.
The dream world is set up so that Rebellion can serve as a stand-alone insight into her psyche with amnesiac Homura as a stand-in for a newcomer to the series.
Anyone familiar with the series should have recognized the true goal of the movie after seeing the opening. Episode 12 should clearly come to mind when seeing the hope that Homura was riding on crumble into nothingness as the color fades from her world.
>Still no one posted best girl
Looks better than just give her another couple of ribbons, it gives more importance to the pink ones.
madoka also doesn't look like she wants to hang out with homu
MoS is hated by tons of people. And it made far less money than expected.
I don't even give a fuck about "muh Superman" crap, but plot was just completely retarded.
Who's just regular Madoka but she says "OH! MAH! GAAD!"
>a-am I cool yet guys??
She looks more bored in the classroom. Hanokage makes her look like she's about to rape Madoka or something.
Movie portrays the girls as kind of leaving Madoka alone. Hanokage portrays it as Homura commanding them to leave like robots.
It's because Homura gives back the ribbon at the end of the story, the ribbon that Madoka gave her upon moving to the good universe as a symbol of their friendship.
There's some kind of meaning going on there
>Anyone familiar with the series should have recognized the true goal of the movie after seeing the opening
Yeah, you totally predicted the ending as soon as you saw the opening, I'm sure.
Where is best girl? Is she behind cheese?
I'd be her friend. Two creepy perverts would get along great.
So, Hanokage improved the scene? Another reason for why the manga is superior.
Spoil both endings for me. I've already watched Madoka and I really don't feel like watching another Gainax style alternative reality/"But wait, there's more!" movie.
Are you that retarded? Do you know what controversy is? It's not something subjective. If something incites conflict between opinions on a large scale, it's controversial.
You're just a bigot who thinks that there is no controversy because your interpretation is the one truth and that there's no room for any dissent on the matter. Of course, since you're a bigot, there's no use talking to you because no evidence to the contrary will sway your beliefs; there is a benefit to shining a spotlight on your retardation so that everyone can see it, though. Mind putting on a trip so everyone can filter you?
>watching an action movie for the plot
Well, I'd say he goes over the top. Another reason to not take the manga seriously.
>Movie portrays the girls as kind of leaving Madoka alone.
>Hanokage portrays it as Homura commanding them to leave like robots.
Movie portrays the same. In the movie it even feels like everyone is afraid of Homura.
I like some of the changes he makes, but some of them are silly. I didn't like the addition of facial features to QB, for examples. And twintails homu looked stupid.
>Hey, why is Rebellion so controversial?
>HEY! LOOK! TWO MOVIE THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL! TOTALLY RELATED!
Nirvana and the happiness of the mortal world are two completely different matters, though. Even Sayaka regretting leaving Kyouko behind right when they became friends.
And I'm Home is now canon. That joking, everyday life Kyouko wanted to see--it exists now. Are you not entertained, KyouSaya shippers?
Few more minutes.
We are talking about Rebellion here, anon.
You're probably right. It's just the way manga is set up, it's like the girls all leave in unison, where as the movie they have time to actually move so it doesn't look as weird.
It's the same guy, I'm just sayin. I haven't seen the entirety of the Rebellion manga yet so I can't judge fully, but there's some things that just can't be captured in manga form.
You're on a fucking vendetta against me when even this anon >>100671939 gets it.
I could pull any controversial title of any medium and it would be the same. The fucking superman shit was irrelevant and crossboarders are that bad. Eat shit.
Nagisa is so cute.
They never wished for this happiness. It wasn't worth tearing God out of heaven for.
Maybe because is a manga and movement is not represented as fluidly?
That doesn't make you slow necessarily. I still haven't watched it because I don't want to watch a crappy camrip. I've already had it all apoiled for me on /a/ though and I gotta say it sounds pretty bad. I'm going to watch it to appreciate the visuals and actually be able to participate in the discussion but I'm going to wait for something with good quality that isn't missing part of the image.
Homura wouldn't be pragmatic if her own despair, her own pain and suffering, wasn't just another tool for her to become stronger and attain her goals. We see her using that despair at the end of episode 12.
Also the movie is called The Rebellion Story. Q.E.D.
Nagisa a shit.
Think of it as a vacation. It's not like it's going to last forever.
Her skirt looks retarded.
Yes yes, I never knew. Just stating my first impression, I'm sorry.
Yeah, no. Almost the whole fanbase loved it.
The point that you missed for some inexplicable reason is that metashit is always metashit. Why do you not just ignore /co/ and post about Madoka?
We don't know what the fuck she was doing at the end of episode 12, any theories about that now have to come from our knowledge of what the ending of Rebellion actually way. The damn production team didn't know what the wings meant when they drew them. We never see her using her own despair as a tool at any other point in the series.
This is the problem
*actually was, I don't know where that y came from.
Yes, she uses her despair in her final battle because she knew she was going to die and be together with Madoka at the end, plus that's what Madoka told her, "do your best".
You're only speaking for Sayaka's side of the story.
The only reason Kyouko has to be sad is that Homura is living in her own personal hell right now.
That's really incorrect. Like, a lot.
... She knew that at the end of 12?
Well, I see Sayaka's side of the story as the more just and informed point of view.
Why would the creative team spoil the artists two years before Rebellion ever came out? That's how shit gets leaked, dear anon.
No, that's fucking worse. But I will shut up and post medukas.
Just as Madoka's
I can only assume you're joking at this point. Urobuchi had no plans for a sequel at the time, and he wasn't the one who came up with the wings anyway. And the Rebellion wasn't the original ending he came up with when he wrote the movie, as everyone knows.
All magical girl clothes are supposed to look stylish, whimsical, and retarded.
The innocent types tend to get poofy clothes to go with their style
Well, I visit /a/ after a week or two and the first thing I see is a pretentious madoka thread.
Thanks for sharing.
what is that page?
That explains why best girls have best outfits.
Do you even watch episode 12?
What, that she would be reunited with Madoka when she died? Of course she knew that.
Something I thought might look interesting.
According to you and maybe 10 other people.
Yes, but I didn't really get that impression out of it. Maybe it was 2deep4me.
How do you know that?
Wait, is this supposed to be showing how Bowmura ended up in the isolation field? What the fuuuuuck
I agree with the point that all interpretations have equal ground to stand on. However, like I said, Colorful makes it apparent ten minutes into the movie just what has happened to the color in Homura's world.
What does it say?
What am I looking at here?
Wait, or it's just symbolism? I'm so confused. Hanokage certainly used his artistic license here.
Page are black so I think it's a flashback or something
Urobuchi said that during the show's airing, Shinbo/Iwakami were always bugging him about making a sequel and he wrote it off as a joke. However, that summer they seriously approached him about it, and that's when the brainstorming started.
So I think the real question is, when did Shinbo first think of the idea of Homura standing in opposition as Madoka's equal? For all we know, he had that in mind during production of Episode 12.
I don't understand.
Movie supposed to show that Hommando wanted to shoot Moemura who holded Madoka.
or is it some different scene?
A flashback in which Homura has skeletal hands?
>when did Shinbo first think of the idea of Homura standing in opposition as Madoka's equal?
After Urobuchi thought of the first version of the script, in which Homura dies and goes with Madoka to heaven. That was in an interview. So, after the series production was finished.
Is the version of this scene.
Oh, this is the moment when Homura gives into her despair?
In Witch form yeah
It's suicidal scene, when Madoka rescued her.
>Watched shitty Camrip
>Not waiting for excellent Blu-ray
So!? What happens after!?
Does Madoka show up?
This movie as Madoka series are good or even better for rewatching.
I can't wait for my computer to freeze again just when the upload is at 99%.
>Nagisa not even holding anything
What a useless girl.
I watched the camrip several times before seeing the theatrical release, so not only do I have the best version as the freshest part of my memory, but I watched the movie enough to appreciate all of the little details in the theatrical release when everyone else was experiencing whiplash from all of the twists and turns.
Spider Lily represents a meeting that will never come to be again, as two lovers are forever parted. Her hands are shackled as she moves to the gallows, but her other hands desperately claw out for some sign of hope just trying to not die as she's forced to march onward. The window represents Madoka due to the way her name can be read If I recall, and it closing shows how they can never meet again after Homura cursed herself as a witch.
Yet what the lizards symbolize is really anyone's guess
She's holding in a fart
Salamanders represent fire
Nagisa and her familiars are cute.
She's support; she only seems useless if you're too weak-minded to see past the surface.
If Kirby taught me anything, it's that having an insatiable appetite makes you both adorable and frighteningly powerful
>you came to the wrong neighborhood, little girl
nutcracker witch looks like much stronger and deadly than even walpurgis.
too bad they made fight with her not serious.
Homura has the best familiars
Well they didn't want to actually destroy her. They were just holding off her familiar army while they attacked the barrier.
Finish this. It's off to a great start.
What? It's from the manga.
so, teres no spin off about Anthony cutting roses and going on adventures
Considering her nature, I think that Homulilly is pretty weak by itself and only has her familiars going for her.
I thought you were a drawfag.
Wait, what the hell are Sayaka and Kyouko doing here?
What would happen to Sayaka/Mami/etc if they got killed in the dream world?
I wonder how she even fights directly? We just see her grappling with Oktavia. She could probably attack with those ribbon-hands if she needed to.
Mami and Kyouko were real magical girls who got pulled into the barrier, so they'd die for real.
Sayaka and Nagisa are already dead, so I'm not sure if they could actually be killed.
But they don't even do anything useful.
Aren't her familiars supposed to be ridiculously powerful? Like single-handedly taking on megucas powerful?
Most witches rely on their familiars for battle, actually.
H.N. Elly, Elsa Maria, etc etc. Octavia and Charlotte are the witches who really fight on their own.
Clara Dolls are said to be on the level of magical girls. The others are just foot soldiers, but there's a zillion of them. She's the strongest witch we've ever seen by sheer numbers, if nothing else.
Now I can just wait for someone to report that there is something wrong with it and I have to do it all over again.
The Faustian references in the series are obvious, and Rebellion throws some Nietzsche's "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" in there with "Gott is tot" and how the entire movie is about Homura taking a look at all of her worst and most undesirable qualities and becoming stronger by embracing them and using them as her tools.
Carl Jung wrote an essay once on how he saw Nietzsche's and Faust's transformations as alchemic transformations into Ubermensch, and he brings up the Salamander when talking about them.
The salamander is a symbol of alchemic transformation. Its blood brings immortality. Alchemists believed that by dying, the Salamander gains eternal life.
Recall the scene when Homulilly's transformation is just about completed and she realizes her own despair. Right when she says that, we see her crying face... and then the camera pans out to a salamander with Homura's crying face. The salamander is suddenly smashed and its blood spills upon the ground.
What I'm trying to connect here is that the salamander is a symbol of Homura's rebirth.
What about Gretchen?
And Walpurgis is some kind of a witch supercluster, but still witchy.
What? Maria fight using her hair and shit.
Yes, dolls are very strong.
She also has Lottes infantry, Luiselottes cavalry, Lilias artillery and Lieses for air support.
Yeah, but mostly with her familiars. That is, the tentacles that don't spawn directly from her.
We have no idea how Gretchen fights, or what her familiars are. It'd be interesting to explore that idea in some extra material.
Walpurgis can shoot lasers and throw buildings I guess? And breathe fire, but I'm not sure if that's an actual attack like it is in Grief Syndrome.
They'd have to be to kidnap megucas and drag them into Homura's barrier and Kyubey's isolation field without them noticing anything was wrong.
Well they may have noticed something was wrong and fought the whole way there, but lost those memories once they were dragged inside. Or they were just hypnotized into following. Who knows.
Who's the guy with Mami?
Hase from Kamen Raider Gaim. Urobuchi is the main writer for it, and that character died in the newest episode.
There are witches who fight alone like Oktavia and Charlote, others who fight together with their familiars like Elsa Maria and Patricia, and others who just use their familiars like Homulilly and H.N Elly.
I'm not convinced Homulily solely uses her familiars. If that was the case, there would've been no point in sending Oktavia to go and swordfight with her.
Of course, Oktavia and Charlotte fight alone because they're weak as fuck and Homura beats them both with a few well-placed bombs. That's why they borrow familiars during and after Rebellion.
Madokami is the true goddess. Who's with me?
As you shouldn't be. Recall that her skirt-ribbons turned into skyscraper-leveling hand-tentacles of gloom and doom.
She has to stop her because she was going to the guillotine.
Well, they hold their own agains't Homura's familiars. Then the Clara Dolls appeared and stomped them.
They still still got their moustache so...
But why Nagisa (Charlotte) was able to bring Gertrud familiars in the first place?
More of best girl, so you don't forget, while at it
Sorry Madokami, but you've been deprecated by Akuma Homura.
I don't think those tentacles are very strong, it's just that she's fucking huge.
Of course. The heretics will be purged in due time.
But the whole point of the guillotine is that it doesn't do anything.
>the Rose Garden Witch dispatched them as the main combat force for saving Homura.
> The medals on their chests are a treasure added by the Rose Garden Witch.
Gertrud lent the Anthonies to Sayaka because Oktavia doesn't have any useful familiars of her own. Notice that they all have fish-tails now.
I don't even fucking remember how man of steel ended.
Sayaka group doesn't know that.
Does any of them know that though?
Oh hey, the manga version implies that Kyoko can use her Rosa Phantasma move in the dream world.
If I'm reading it right.
There needs to be a season 2, if for no other reason than seeing the Clara dolls in action.
I can't seem to find best girl in your picture
Eh, I'd be surprised if two witches can't figure out how another witch's barrier works.
They're equal in divinity. Dualism is the correct interpretation--Urbuchi/Shinbo/Junko agreed, don't bother them about it.
>"I really agreed that Homura might be plausible as Madoka’s equal opposite."
Where does your pairing fall?
Not to mention it would make no sense at all for a witch to be able to end herself.
I mean, they're all suffering. If they could, most witches would probably end themselves.
But that only works if Madoka is still a goddess, which...she's not.
That's how I saw it too.
This chart needs to be completely redone, a lot of it was just randomly thrown together by the looks of it.
Which is kind of odd, because I think it's supposed to be mutually exclusive with her barrier move. Like, she can only use that because she's suppressing her original magic.
Indeed, but she needs a break. It's time for Madoka to finally get something instead of sacrificing.
There are no brakes on the danger zone train.
It's reasonable to think that her old powers could come back because she's returned to her original set of values after befriending /falling for Sayaka.
The conflict between the two forces occurred because the girls want to break the isolation field and free Homulilly, who doesn't want that. She wants to repeat her procession for eternity.
Was it? I don't remember that being implied in TDS.
Second one is Sayaka.
I don't know what the fuck is going on here. Are they cooking Octavia?
Sayaka is replaced with one of Homura's familiars. I think.
Jokes aside, you're totally missing the point. Madoka is Madoka, and Homura can't change that. That's why they will eventually become enemies.
>no Akuma Homura raping Sayaka
Well what she actually wants is to die. I'm not sure how much she's aware that the execution procession won't actually accomplish that. It seems like she's partially insensible like usual witches, but still somewhat sane at the core.
The only thing I see wrong is that MadoHomuMami should be moved to the sweet side.
I don't think Oktavia's involved there, the Anthonies are doing...something.
I think Oktavia and the Anthony familiars are being used as 'coal' for Mami's 'railway gun'.
If I was /k/ I probably would have came upon seeing this image. It's certainly epic.
>Madoka is Madoka, and Homura can't change that
She's sure as hell trying to. In the tenuous status quo at the end of the movie, Madoka is a normal girl. The question is just how long that will last.
What? No, Homura's familiars don't wear capes.
Also, that looks like Mami's cake cannon.
After reading further, the implication seems to be that they're using Octavia as ammunition.
Like, firing her through the wall of familiars with Tiro Finale so she can break the barrier.
What do capes have to do with it?
First you see Sayaka in this position, and then suddenly there's a familiar in her place.
I really don't think Oktavia's there at all, she's too big to fit in a cake cannon.
So what you're saying is since normal Homu is insane when she turns witch she becomes sane because that doesn't make sense.
Uh, no. I'm saying that since she's not a normal witch and still maintains some of her human form, she may be aware on some level that the execution procession won't actually kill her. She did mention relying on Mami and Kyouko for that.
>Octavia can only be useful as live ammunition
That's fucking hilarious.
She wants to die, but she's immortal and 'killing her' won't actually do anything (And if she could be destroyed, she would simply return to the Law of Cycles, which is in opposition to her objective), so the next best option is to remain in her realm forever.
>The Nutcracker Witch. Its nature is self-sufficiency. Its gallant form, which once split many nuts, is now useless. Without any other purpose, this witch's last wish is her own execution. However, a mere decapitation will not clear away the witch's sins. This foolish witch will forever remain in this realm, repeating the procession to her execution.
The salamander is a symbol of rebirth and Homulilly's nature is self-sufficiency. The movie connects these two elements purposefully.
>Homulilly's head falls off
>Salamander is squashed
Well, they do seem to liquidize her.
Seriously, Kyoko and Sayaka hold hands and sort of dissolve, the liquid pours into the cannon's teacup, and then it fires and Octavia sort of materializes in the blast radius.
B-but it's already in the sweet side. Although it should be more to the right.
Don't you mean "adorable"?
It's not like she's against Madoka returning to divinity -after- living out a happy, fulfilling life as a human girl.
>And if she could be destroyed, she would simply return to the Law of Cycles, which is in opposition to her objective
Except that's the opposite of true. As QB says, if she dies as a witch inside the isolation field, she'll be destroyed forever, unable to be saved by the Law of Cycles.
No, I mean more to the right.
Is Mami a pedofile?
I'd like to think that Homura knew exactly what she was doing, having planned the whole thing from the beginning. She baited the incubators into doing something she could not, intentionally went into despair with the isolation field set up so she could become a witch, got confirmation that she was right in the flowery hill scene with Madoka, went full witch and let the other girls break her out of the isolation field, then went AI YO.
Or maybe she just went nuts on her own with no Madoka around.
Maybe Kyouko used illusion magic?
Batman never killed anyone in the movies.
Bane got shot by catwoman.
The woman drove herself to death.
Yeah, that's what I said a bit earlier.
A sane Homura would know that no one is going to kill her. That's retarded. Clearly she isn't thinking straight.
But to her they went through 100 timelines of killing witches. The other girls don't remember anything except wraiths.
N-no, she is the purest... it's just that she also has the lewdest body.
Nice job substituting 'becomes a witch' out for 'dies as a witch'. Do you have any theories that don't rely on the semantics of one single line while ignoring the rest of the scene and all of the symbolism?
>Homu has the least lewd body
>she's the most likely to be a rapist
She only likes the very specific type though. The good girls with a little crazy side to them, just like her.
Wait, someone thought Man of Steel's ending was in any way controversial?
What the fuck? What was controversial about it? I thought it was cool and all, but nothing worthy of even slight controversy.
Meanwhile I can't even discuss Rebellion without the ending coming up and throwing a wrench into any and all discussion.
He specifically mentions dying inside the isolation field. The symbolism also implies dying inside the isolation field (Mami and Kyouko standing on either side of the guillotine). What exactly does this theory not explain?
It doesn't explain his mental retardation and lack of ability to comprehend themes, symbolism, or imagery.
Yes, which is why I'm saying a sane Homura wouldn't expect Mami and Kyouko to just chance upon her and go, "hey that looks like Homura" "lol who cares let's kill it"
What she wants at that point is to remain in her isolation field for eternity, repeating her procession and living in her own self-loathing. That way she can protect Madoka from the QBs by never meeting her. Kyouko and Mami are the only living meguca in this scenario, and she would want them to honor her wish to protect Madoka. That's why she doesn't mention Sallaka.
I dunno, it's weird. Either way you spin it, Homura is still relying on the girls to give up on her, which is unreasonable, so you can't really argue which interpretation is more logical based on Homu's intentions.
But again, Homulilly wouldn't die even if you killed her. The guillotine does nothing, her nature is self-sufficiency, and her symbol is a Salamander.
Is there a BDrip of the movie already?
I love it when Nagisa does that face.
No witch is invincible. There's no reason to think that they couldn't kill Homulily if they tried hard enough.
The symbolism (and production note) also implies that dying inside the field won't really do anything and that's she's doomed to repeat her procession for all of eternity.
How is spending eternity in your own personal hell not a fate analogous to death?
The ending of the movie with the suicidal imagery definitely implies that they are one and the same.
>"hey that looks like Homura" "lol who cares let's kill it"
Sounds like Kyoko.
Gretchen was effectively invincible.
Like that's ever gonna happen
It is if they want to extract money from us.
Even if Homulilly is able to respawn, does Homura know that? She doesn't seem aware of much beyond her self-loathing at that point in her transformation.
>The symbolism (and production note) also implies that dying inside the field won't really do anything and that's she's doomed to repeat her procession for all of eternity.
That's only the case if she's left alone. That is her behavior when she goes through the motions of the procession, because obviously witches are not capable of self-terminating because if they could, most of them would before any magical girl could get to them. That's why she needs to rely on Mami and Kyouko.
>How is spending eternity in your own personal hell not a fate analogous to death?
It's presented as a fate worse than death, and rightfully so, I think. That's why when QB says "do you intend to spend an eternity among curses?" Homura says "It's all right. I am certain this barrier will become my grave." That would be a completely redundant statement if they were the same thing, see? She says that she intends to die rather than existing forever as a witch.
Superman killed somebody and this is apparently shocking and new to people who don't really get Superman.
Gretchen was effectively invincible because she was really really really strong, not because she had some sort of nature of invincibility. She's still destructible in theory.
SUPERMAN DID NOTHING WRONG
And in practice, too, presumably.
Witches prey on humans and steal their life energy for a purpose, after all. Presumably a witch like Gretchen who consumes the Earth in a few days would 'starve' fairly soon.
Or fly off to another planet in search of more despair to eat.
Looks like you messed up your pic. It's funny, because in any other context your pic would have just looked like something unrelated, but in this one it looks like you're implying something that you surely don't believe.
Here is the pic you wanted. No need to thank me.
I'll settle things with that devil after I'm done with this bitch
Most reliable ally in love.
She'd need to travel pretty damn far to find another inhabited planet.
Homulilly managed to avoid this by farming magical girls. Gretchen probably could do that too.
Mami is surely best girl.
You've both failed.
Witch magic, man, I don't know how it works.
Alternatively, we don't know if it's actually possible for witches to starve, do they? Perhaps they just go dormant.
I do think KyouSaya is gayer than MadoHomu, especially given the ending of Rebellion.
What do you mean by farming magical girls, exactly? Bringing Mami and Kyoko into her barrier?
No? QB was the one who was feeding Homulilly with the Isolation Field.
Fuck moot imageswap right, confusing shit with another at crucial moment like this
Here's the right pic you mean
>That's only the case if she's left alone.
>That would be a completely redundant statement
But it's not. She's telling Kyuubey that being in her personal hell is fine since it's for Madoka. Also, she uses 結界, which refers to the witch's world, as in, she intends to remain inside her own labyrinth.
Er, no, I'm pretty sure I meant to imply Kyouko is the best girl and that's exactly what I did convey.
Please don't do those kind of thing with Mami-san.
She was collecting their despair after Nightmare battles.
This is something that confused me.
The movie occurs on the Incubator's planet, right? Or at least, not Earth.
How are people getting all that way to get in the barrier? If the Incubators did it, that's never mentioned. If Homulilly did it, can she just draw people in from across the fucking galaxy?
No, that's not what happened at all.
Their soul gems were getting cleaned somehow. Where else is the despair going?
Nagisa a qtest, in any form.
All of you who don't like her are inherently wrong, wrong, WRONG!
The opening is important because it shows what Homura truly want. It also shows her relationships with the other magical girls. The Homulilly sequence is to show just how far Homura will go for Madoka.
Right, KyouSaya is pure lesbian love from both side
in MadoHomu case Madoka still hesitate, loving a devil is just not right
Because she's not invincible! No witch is invincible. She's done nothing to earn immortality. Nothing in the movie states or implies that she cannot be killed as a witch.
>She's telling Kyuubey that being in her personal hell is fine since it's for Madoka.
She didn't say anything about that. She just said that she had faith in Mami and Kyouko. And QB obviously thought she was talking about dying, because he said "do you comprehend the implications of dying trapped inside this isolation field?" immediately after that.
>see this thread
>go to bed
>500 replies omitted
Given that the BD isn't even out yet, I doubt it.
Oh look I finally have a reason to post this.
Homura would fap over an unconscious Madoka no doubt.
She's a shameless fanservice character, so I can see why people might not like her.
On the other hand, I'm one of the fans getting serviced, so it's not like I'm complaining at all. I like Charlotte and I enjoy seeing new Magical Girls.
She looks more autistic than ever.
Thanks. I was just surprised at the amount of people who watched the camrip, I guess.
Is this what Yurifags believe?
The camrip is actually surprisingly good. You don't miss out on a huge amount by watching it, and if you just wait for the BD you'll miss all the discussion.
Or, you know, the theaters.
She's never non-autistic.
>Madoka still hesitates
That only makes it more fun.
I forget that you lucky faggots got to see it in theaters.
I'm even mad, since I was in Japan a few days before it came out.
But muh quality.
She's pretty shit right now, but she still has a chance to become a good character, given screentime and, more importantly, a decent reason to be in the plot at all.
Along with Mami, Kyouko and to a lesser extent, Sayaka. It feels like Gen didn't know how to incorporate them into the plot past their character arcs.
It's easily sufficient quality to see what's going on.
And since I didn't make it clear, I meant I know American and I think Mexican theaters got the movie.
But Sayaka was great in Rebellion.
> /k/ from Yakuza and Police HQ isn't enogh
> She steal an Unit from NERV
Walpurgis is serious business m8
Wait, who's gonna be next Tomio from NERV then?
>to see what's going on
That's way too low of a standard, anon.
Except for the myriad of shout-outs to functional immortality. Homulilly has symbolism for both death and rebirth because she is reborn through death.
Again, I think the truth lies between your two theories. If she's unable to die, there's no reason for Kyubey/Homu to know that. It's pretty obvious that Homura wants to die, but can she? Or is she doomed to repeat her procession? Again, her nature is self-sufficiency.
We'll just have to see what happens.
Gen's apparently done with the series now, so whatever comes next. he won't be involved.
Not really, just from plain observer view
She didn't even got a chance to be developed as a character, the entire movie focusing on Homura and all that.
Hopefully, we will get a little at least in the future releases... or not... I don't know what expect from this series anymore.
I don't need to see every line in glorious crystal clarity when that requires me to wait half a year. Merely being able to tell what's happening is sufficient in that case.
She was nice as a character, but she didn't do shit apart from guarding Madoka's memories, which is a fairly passive role.
Part of this is just that in a series dedicated to exploring characters you can't do justice to 6 magical girls in one film. This was Homura and Madoka's story and to tell that right the rest had to be stuck padding out the roster rather than being involved.
Yeah, that kind of bothered me a little. I guess we already know her story, though, so how much there is to develop is debatable.
Eh, who knows what's happening next? I guess you just have to sit back and hope.
That's fine, but I've waited as much for every other movie, and I don't think people will shut up when the BDrip actually comes out anyways.
Having symbols of rebirth doesn't mean she's immortal. It's more likely that it all refers to her eventual ascension (descension?) as Akuma Homura. Symbolism tends to relate to the story itself, not the actual abilities of the characters in hypothetical scenarios.
She was actually useful for once, it's not like her.
Kyoko makes a pretty good Asuka.
Because Rebellion isn't about them. It's the story of Homura. Everyone else is supporting her.
Not so great though, really
Homu get past her that easily at the end, makes her seems like another side character
The scenes with Kyoko, Mami and Sayaka were explore Homura's relationships with those characters.
Also to have an epic gunfight with Mami, and to hint at Sayaka's true nature.
Nagisa's existence is part of the parody of fanworks that the movie begins with (and to an extent ends with).
She led the attack on Homulily's army, that was fairly active.
Homura gets one over on everyone at the end, it can't be helped. Sayaka was still cooler than everyone else during the middle part of the movie.
>Kyoko makes a pretty good Asuka.
And Sayaka didn't fit Rei even a little FUG
One thing's for sure, I'm convinced that the Salamander is her symbol because Nietzsche. Someone even seems to have written an essay on the connection on the wiki. It probably reaches a little bit but that's to be expected. All theories start off rough.
An essay? I'm going to have a look for that, long detailed analysis of symbolism gets me hard like you wouldn't believe.
She's not there to be some boss fight for Homura. She was pretty cool, she played her role very well. She even got to troll Homura a bit, since she actually knows more than her for once.
Perhaps. I wish we could ask the creators about some of this stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if Gen had very little to do with it all as usual and it was added by Inu Curry.
There's lots of stuff here, with varying degrees of bullshit. Still entertaining.
But then Homura fucks with her for fun, just like giving Kyubey some aggressive pets.
>Sayaka was still cooler than everyone else during the middle part of the movie.
I'm totally agree with this. The way she summon Oktavia to battleground, fucking awesome
I wonder wherein the truth of that all lies as well. Urobuchi says the references to Faust are added in by Inu Curry but that doesn't mean he wasn't influenced by it. He lists his main influences as classical lit. and eroge.
I just want the soundtrack to this movie already.
>He lists his main influences as classical lit. and eroge
>The children of the fake city repeatedly say "Fort! Da!" right before Homura realizes she's a witch.
So THAT'S what they were saying. Holy fuck, it all makes sense.
>Freud interpreted this behavior as a way of obtaining satisfaction by causing things to be "gone." A short time later he observed the child playing with a reel that had a piece of string tied around it: He would toss the reel away from him to where it could no longer be seen, before pulling it back into view and hailing its reappearance with a gleeful "Da!" ("There!").
>reel w/ piece of string tied around it
>Madoka is the pink reel of string
What the fuck does this mean. Fucking 3deep.
I guess it's really deep afterall
charlotte what are you doing in there get out of mami-s cleavage you are not a cell phone you don't even belong there
Maybe Homura was returning the favor a bit.
>dat rape face
Thanks, anon. I was looking for a gif of the fight between them.
>not humping a Madoka
Mahou Shoujo Gunkata.
Thanks I can die happy now.
Oh the tragedy
That ending reference to The Fool still blows my fucking mind. I've never looked into Tarot, but holy shit.
>"the fool is the spirit in search to a new journey and new experiences.
>He represents cleverness bereft of reason within us
Cake Homu seems to have gone off the deep end but she hints at having a greater purpose ("Not just yet. The night is still half-eaten.")
>the childlike ability to tune into the inner workings of the world.
Homura is an analogy for Tchaikovsky's Clara, as supported by her Dolls.
>The sun shining behind him represents the divine nature of the Fool's wisdom and exuberance, holy madness or 'crazy wisdom'.
Half-moon, but close enough, and it fits more considering the Japanese archetype of the Dark Feminine heroine who is represented by the moon.
>In his hand there is a flower, showing his appreciation of beauty.
Red spider lillies.
>He is frequently accompanied by a dog, sometimes seen as his animal desires, sometimes as the call of the "real world", nipping at his heels and distracting him.
Kyubey fits here?
>He is seemingly oblivious that he is walking toward a precipice, apparently about to step off.
I don't know, I don't get this part. Just kidding, holy fuck balls.
Maybe I should change it to humping a window.
Maybe that loses the reference, though.
Are you comparing Moemura to Nina and Table-kun? You sick bastard.
>Sayaka was still cooler than everyone else during the middle part of the movie.
Kaki tank. Everything that Sayaka did is irrelevant in comparison.
I don't get it.