Hey /a/, having a debate with my friends about the two Miyazaki movies Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle. They claim the movies to be terribly boring, while I consider them to be great movies (not the absolute gods of anime movies, but great non-the-less). I'd like to get your opinions on the matter, a) great/good movies, or b) overated and/or bad movies
Howl's is bad, Spirited Away is great. Your friend is probably a pleb anyway, why do you care?
They're definitely two of his worst.
Everything from the Oscar onward is overrated as fuck.
Even Stephen Colbert likes Spirited Away.
how does it feel being wrong about everything in your life?
They're okay movies. I don't enjoy them, but they aren't bad.
If you guys want to have a fun time, watch Grave of the Fireflys. Much fun will be had.
It's ki you shit. You and your friends are shit.
pretty much this. howl is boring to me, but spirited away is nice. when watching howl i feel like there was a lot of mystery that was thrown at you all the time, i guess that is similar to spirited away. in spirited away i feel like the mysteries that they show you are explained better and more thorough
Why don't you read a dictionary. Much fun will be had.
SA is boring in the sense that Drive is boring. IE it doesn't have enough schlock for retards. It's an excellent film.
Howl is just shit.
Of course they're overrated. That doesn't make them bad, though.
If you want to be technical, there are non-Hepburn Anglicizations .
>thinking any of them are shit
>Howl is just shit.
You're as much of a retard as those who can't appreciate Spirited Away. Contrasting your opinion by saying either is shit probably makes you think your opinion is more genuine.
Spirited Away is a fucking mess of a film. It's trash compared to everything that came before it.
The only reason it even won an Oscar is because everyone knew Mononoke-hime got robbed so hard that they had to make a brand new category of award to make sure he would win next time. It was a fucking pity prize.
If you want to say his name correctly, write miyazaki
You know it won the Golden Bear? Oh right, most anime-only plebs don't even know about the Berlinale.
It's far from trash or a mess. I think you need to watch it again. Also a 94 on metacritic and 97 on rotten tomatoes also says you're wrong. Spirited Away is a great film and undoubtedly one of his best
It was a great film.
>hating on Howl's Moving Castle
I can't believe /a/ has this much shit taste
>Also a 94 on metacritic and 97 on rotten tomatoes also says you're wrong.
>Caring about ratings from western normalfags.
Those are definitely the bottom 2, not that they're bad
Your friends like one piece and nardo huh
Intelligent people are able to appreciate great films, regardless of whatever awards they won. The fact that you had to mention it shows how irrationally defensive you have to be to defend your shit taste.
The word boring is a criticism that hold no value whatsoever. You can say that you are a sack of shit with no attention span, but you can't call something boring.
You just couldn't pick up on the subtle touches it had. Beneath the average story is a whole other level of messages and themes.
Yes, I value their opinion more than opinions of manchildren masturbating all day to their waifus.
>literally liking the taste of shit in your mouth
B, they were both utterly mediocre.
Or maybe you just have shit taste. Not enough cute girls for you?
Get new friends.
I definitely take their opinion over what makes a film great than some anon on 4chan. by saying it's one of his worst you're just reinforcing how big of a pleb you actually are.
>not liking ghilibi and miyazaki so much you want to suck their collective cocks
I just don't understand.
Except the Japanese "normalfags" loved it too. It was universally loved, both by critics and the general public. Not being a normalfag doesn't necessarily mean you have to suddenly shit on everything that is mainstream. You're a fucking retard. Please be trolling.
no, friend is huge anime fan with normally great taste. one of our few disagreements.
we'll definitely look into that, much thanks
i spelt his name wrong, apologies. jeez people
much luls had
not sure i agree. great movies, but if a movie truly moves TOO slow, anyone can lose interest. honestly, we're just looking for the opinion of the /a/ majority.
They are both made for kids and it deeply shows. Most of what Miyazaki makes is for kids and there's really nothing to like besides "what a cute movie".
>he literally didn't get the movie
Oh wow. Better let next time, "kid". Rather, I should call you an infant shouldn't I?
Go back to wherever you came from.
Howls is meh, Spirited Away is a great movie, anime or not.
Aren't you supposed to be anonymous when you troll? That is clearly what this is.
>implying there's anything wrong with liking One Piece
What? What the fuck did you say to me?
I thought I was talking to an intellectual here.
Princess Mononoke is better than both of them
Solid counter argument.
SA had some nice depth to it, but the over arching plot isn't interesting or well done.
HMC had some decent character progression and nothing else.
Shut up and leave you self-centered shit.
Thank god you're anonymous so you can't reveal the face behind a shit taste loving fuck.
yes but that's not what's being discussed.
>is huge anime fan
So his taste is probably pretty shitty. Huge anime fans are usually manchildren or DEEP kids who can't appreciate beauty and simplicity.
Well, most anime is made for teenagers or manchildren. I prefert things for kids.
>I thought I was talking to an intellectual here.
I will fucking destroy you in online arguments, kid. The day of reckoning has come.
I disagree but that wasn't bad.
So, yeah. Troll.
The overarching plot isn't important. The magical atmosphere is. Reviewer often compare this film to Alice in Wonderland.
>ITT: nostalgia fucks defending a hack
>but the over arching plot isn't interesting or well done.
Let me guess, you also can't comprehend why a SoL film could be interesting, because "nothing interesting happens."
>HMC had some decent character progression and nothing else.
Yeah it's not like Chihiro radically transforms from her spoiled childish self to a self-reliant, more mature girl over the course of two hours. No character development here.
>M-My deep themes and metaphors about the destruction of the environment and capitalist greed!
>T-Too deep for you! Y-You don't get it.
The fact that you feel the need to point out the fact that there was more to it than the actual story proves what shallow morons Spirited Away attracts. Its underlying themes and messages were not hard to comprehend, subtle, or intricately layered in any way.
You're evidently a pleb, who hasn't watched enough anime to realize that SA is fucking kiddie shit, with obvious messages, so dullards like yourself can talk about how you "get it" on an imageboard in a bid to feel smart.
You're not smart and you're not a unique snowflake because you can interpret the meaning of a film targeted at children.
>The overarching plot isn't important. The magical atmosphere is.
I hate everything about you.
>Yeah it's not like Chihiro radically transforms from her spoiled childish self to a self-reliant, more mature girl over the course of two hours. No character development here.
Did you even read what you quoted?
It's true. You probably don't know much about film too.
Depth and character development are not enough for that anon to barely break the "mediocre" tier? What more does he want?
>implying naruto isn't one of the best social commentaries to come out of japan
Not that anon, but grossly reducing a great work to a few corny platitudes doesn't make you sound very intelligent either. No shit you don't have to 'smart' to 'get' a Miyazaki film but that doesn't mean there isn't a shitload of symbolism underneath the surface of a 'children film' that adds to its value. That's all there is to it, you seem extremely upset someone could rightfully consider a Miyazaki is above your average Disney.
Again you misinterpret, do you or do you not have high school level reading comprehension?
>no, friend is huge anime fan with normally great taste.
You're just further proving the point that your friend has shit taste.
Atmosphere is in no way, more important than actual storytelling.
Having good atmosphere adds to the experience of the audience, but it is wasted if the rest of the film isn't good.
Do you? That anon clearly said they were mediocre films. He then conceded Spirited Away had "depth" but lacked an "interesting over arching plot." Sounds like he's just spouting buzzwords for the sake of it.
Learn to capitalize you're sentences, you faggot.
You can easily find films without a story. Films without images don't exist.
Films without story are primarily art-house works that are interesting, but incomparable to the real great works of film.
Howl's isn't even really bad. It's just an adaptation from a novel series, and suffers for it.
They could have spent a million hours explaining things so that the on screen action would seem meaningful, or they could try to move it along and hope that the things happening for no reason wouldn't completely rob it of meaning for you.
Ghibli originals are categorically better than the adaptations.
although the best Ghibli was Whispers of the Heart. Kondo's death was pretty much the doom that the studio will survive as a creative institution after Miyazaki finally kicks it.
There is a story in Spirited Away. I'm not sure how you ended up arguing or implying otherwise. SA is neither a style-over-substance film or the opposite.
Like Man with a Movie Camera. Some avant-garde films are fairly well known and respected.
>That anon clearly said they were mediocre films.
I am that anon, >>100641252 bizarrely misquoted me, and I asked if read what he quoted.
Then >>100641419 replied with a unrelated statement.
I didn't imply that it had no story, I do believe that it wasn't very well written or interesting.
>And I asked if read what he quoted.
We're not going to get anywhere with this level of English.
Miyazaki should hurry up and make his Tigers in the Mud manga into a movie before Carius dies of old age.
Sorry, I am deeply shamed by this grammatical error, I must commit sudoku.
>much luls had
Stand in line, soldier.
I really didn't get it. Was it about anything? I've been called a genius by some of the finest minds of the generation but I never got the deep messages, or even some shallow messages that people I considered retarded could figure out.
What was the message? I just like the colours and though she was cute.
The movie was cool.
There are some really surface level themes that are pretty uninteresting.
I like to interpret the nature of the world as a warning against Western decadence and the dangers of whoring out your nation.
It's still a meh movie.
Howls castle was a pretty meh movie. Spirited away was an okay movie. Princess mononoke was really good. Vampire hunter D bloodlust was fucking awesome.
Both movies have anti climatic endings and slow pacing but Howl's suffers a bit more from Miyazaki's tendency to stuff a antiwar or enviromental message into everything.
Spirited Away and Totoro was boring. I dont know why people found those to be enjoyable. Aviation miyazaki is the best.
In other words you prefer action and fast paced shit and happenings all over the place. You also enjoy Transformers.
Your friends sound like simpletons who need nonstop action.