Name an anime/manga character that could defeat him.
I can name three.
outside of saint seiya universe of course
Too bad you forgot to inb4 Saitama.
RIP in pieces, knight.
I am not done yet.
I wonder what would happen if Shaka met this faggot
Stonk Fairy winz da day.
He admits if Saga actually went all out and hit him with another AE he would've died.
Saga > Shaka.
Meant for Another Dimension.
Suicides against Shaka and Shaka tanked it just fine, Ikki never actually managed to beat Shaka, just overcame his Rikudo Sennin karma warping power.
Giorno Giovanna with Gold Experience Requiem.
Guts can't even defeat the demigod of his own manga.
Maybe Griffith vs Shaka could be something. Having casuality at your side is a fucking broken power
Pretty much every Touhou
Shaka was fighting reality warping Olypmians and Titans in Episode G and the original SS manga series.
Like, the actual Titans with one-sealed states who could create pocket universes (1-sealed state was their memory being altered so they unintentionally did not use their full Godly powers to their full potential) and creating planets and stars.
Hell the weakest male Titan, Iapetos, destroyed a star indirectly with his mind in anger over his wife Themis' death. Matter manipulation, reality warping, dimension control, Griffith can't compare to Gods.
maybe could go either way 1v1
not a chance
three on one is cheating
>maybe could go either way 1v1
Nope. Shaka again, admits that if Saga hit him with another Another Dimension, he would've died or be stuck in it forever since he barely got out of it the first time.
Lots of people have only watched the anime and not read the actual manga as the original source material. Saga never fought Shaka properly, only stood back while Shura and Camus were trying to get past him.
Both Shura and Camus were holding back against him, and Shaka straight up says in the manga if they were fighting to kill him he would've died against the two of them.
Saga himself never takes part in the fight other then to hit Shaka with the AD and tell him to let them through.
There is no "3 on 1" nonsense because its as bullshit as Shaka hitting the three with Tenbu Horin while they're standing around motionless trying to ask Shaka to get out of their way.
Hell Saga has beaten up Aiolos when both were clothless, Shion has admitted Saga is more powerful then Aiolos when Saga asked why he was denied being the Pope's successor.
Add his history of also whooping the shit out of Shura and Aiolia without his Cloth, and its fair to say Shaka would've lost 1 on 1 in a serious fight with a bloodlusted Saga.
How about this little guy?
Saints are broken in general
>Bronze saints can move at the speed of sound and they're the lowest class. The most powerful saints move at light speed.
>Saints destroy at atomic level. Hyoga mastered the absolute zero, therefore he can stop the movement of atoms
>The same technique doesn't work twice at a saint
>Mind rape, illusions, mind control, etc. are pretty common on the SS universe
Gold Saints can actually move much faster then the speed of light. You know when the five Gold Clothes traveled across Elysion, that private universe Hades created to be his own private heaven?
Where it states they were crossing billions of galaxies and billions of "dark spots"? Try quintillions of times the speed of light and up once you hit Gold Saint level.
But you are incorrect in one thing. No mortal has ever beaten a full powered God fairly in Saint Seiya. Hades was killed by Athena using her God Cloth.
Titan and Hypnos as well as the Gigants/Giants don't count since they are minor Gods. Aiolia only managed this feat to match Seiya with his God Cloth because his natural power is lightning, symbolic of Zeus' divine lightning in Saint Seiya.
Which is the Titan's only known weakness. And its revealed in G that Coeus was not brought back properly, Iapetos was killed with Shaka helping Aiolia, and the power of Coeus' Dunamis amping Aiolia's Photo Burst to beat Hyperion and harm Pontus slightly.
Gods > most broken and strongest of mortal Saints.
Saga could easily smash shaka, just remember, Saga took 2 Athena Exclamations after loosing 4.5 senses, and still managed to keep moving forward in hades chapter.
Fellow Sagafag here, Saga could probably beat Saga 6/10 out of the times. But none of them would be "easily".
Saga is called the Demigod and "God-Killer" by people and even Gods alike such as Cronos and Pontos. But Shaka is also the man who is closest to the Gods and a divine being himself.
When Cronus' cosmos was disrupting the entire planet and the use of his Telos Oracle, Saga asked Shaka to suppress and counter the King of Titan's own cosmos. Saga himself was unable to.
what could shaka do against time stopping?
Send his entire existence to hell? Before he can even manage to stop time? Pretty easily.
A 100% tangible Hakumen would probably do him in.
seems about right
i thought he only did that mentally?
dio is 2 pure to get corrupted
what about giorno?
GER is broken as shit.
in fact, normal golden experience could turn his golden armor into a snake or something and get shaka killed even if he sends giorno to hell
Can he move faster then light? Can he counter Shaka manipulating karma? Can he hit harder then the God of Death? Because it took a focused big bang to kill Shaka.
And even that was temporary thing until Shaka unlocked the 8th sense to revive himself from death even in the dimension of Makai which Hades controls and rules over.
He still dies.
only sunlight can kill dio?
>Can he move faster then light?
thats stupid and you fucking know it
Z from Tenchi Muyo
Hue, this is a joke, right?
GER would beat Shaka, Gold Experience without the Stand Arrow/Requiem power up? Hell no.
>turn his golden armor into a snake
Not happening. Gold Saint clothes are forged by from literal magical/divine ores and metals given to the Lemurian forgers like Shion or Mu.
Those materials aren't getting transmuted. Not too mention again, Shaka's very powers are about controlling, manipulating, and creating life and karma. He's a psychic, he can't die normally, and the power difference is retarded huge between non-GER Giorno vs him.
>only sunlight can kill dio?
Shaka can fucking atomize Dio, he's not going to come back from that. And Gold Cloths use the power of the sun's energy too.
Dio only moves faster then light because of his Stand, and that's only when time is stopped. Meanwhile Gold Saints can move across fucking billions of galaxies in a few minutes.
There's a degree of speed difference you aren't comprehending here.
shaka is stupid broken due to the mangaka not understanding physics, just like all golden saints(who are somehow killed every three chapters) so yeah
they are stronger than gust, the guy who can kill ghosts
for some reason, when I see someone wielding an weapon, I altomatically assume it's weak
Gutts can't even beat a cannon fodder no-named Bronze Saint. Don't even joke about that shit.
Hakumen destroyed an entire dimension with very little effort while only being 20% tangible.
kill me and burn my corpse, fuck.
Shaka can fucking atomize Dio, he's not going to come back from that. And Gold Cloths use the power of the sun's energy too.
ultimate kars could beat him
and then get launched into space
Everyone and their mother can destroy dimensions in Saint Seiya dude, that's not remotely impressive at all.
And you ignored the rest of my question in that post, so I'm going to assume he can't beat any Gold Saints.
Mu erased dimensional rifts that composed of numerous stars with a casual attack from a Titan God. Mu is weaker then Shaka.
Would get sent to hell and lose his soul/mind/body. Too weak.
That's because you've watched too much anime written by people with a god complex.
>inb4 the swords in bleach still count as weapons
shaka still couldn't do it to kenshiro
prove me wrong
protip:you can try
but you will be wrong
The God Emperor of Mankind.
Not anime, but that's the only way you're going to reach the levels of stupidity that Saint Seiya has.
I bet the mangaka pats himself in the back everytime he comes up with stupid bullshit like moving faster than the speed of light outside of using a wormhole.
Wish people would take the nostalgia goggles already.
>recreate universe until shaka doesnt exist
> See:>>100636842 (OP)
aren't saints forbidden to use weapons?
Maybe if Shaka was completely depowered, didn't have his Gold Cloth, and was retarded.
Lacks both the speed and hax to touch Shaka.
Also you are retarded, if you want to see retarded power level wanking in a show, watch the different Tenchi Muyo anime series's.
>normal human durability
>not particularly "fast" outside of being immune to his own time acceleration
Nope. Gets killed before he even summons Made in Heaven/Stairway to Heaven. A lot of you faggets are either using characters who are too over-powered (Demonbane) or vastly too weak (Kenshiro, Dio Brando, Gutts, Hakumen, etc...) to do anything.
yes, because according to athena because punching at the speed of light is more honorable than swords
but a bow isnt
except for yoda, he can use weapons because she said so
this faggot op made me stop liking saint seiya
OS CAVALEIROS DO ZODIACO
normal lagann could do it if simon is not in pussy state
also unit 01
Nope to either of those.
Fine. TTGL or STTGL. Is that the right ballpark? I don't know what you're hoping for here.
tell me how could shaka beat unit 01?
by this point you are just being that kid that goes "NUH UH, MINE'S BETTER"
fellow Hu3 here
How about Dark Schneider? He should be in around the same weight class.
STTGL isn't canon, neither is the movie.
TTGL better hit with the force of a big bang, because even one of those was only a temporary set back.
Tell me how Evas can beat a guy who can revive himself after getting hit by a focused big bang and atomized. Tell me how the Evas can beat a psychic whose massively faster then the speed of light, can control and manipulate karma, move and create dimensions, have a focused form of reality warping, and judge people's own sins and nature as a weapon against them.
What the fuck are any Evas going to do against Shaka? Who can stand up to god damn immortal Gods who can create planets, stars, and universes?
He is, the problem is he's way too fucking slow and has no way of putting down Shaka down. Where as using Judas Pain and his Atoms burns out DS' soul once he starts taxing himself with them.
>Shaka tanked it just fine
I must have dreamed that part where Shaka begs Mu to bring them both back from nonexistence.
why didnt you protect that smile
>Tell me how Evas can beat a guy who can revive himself after getting hit by a focused big bang and atomized. Tell me how the Evas can beat a psychic whose massively faster then the speed of light, can control and manipulate karma, move and create dimensions, have a focused form of reality warping, and judge people's own sins and nature as a weapon against them.
>What the fuck are any Evas going to do against Shaka? Who can stand up to god damn immortal Gods who can create planets, stars, and universes?
because unit 01 is god
now tell me how would shaka beat pucci
Shaka asked Mu to bring back IKKI, dude. He said he couldn't manage to bring himself and Ikki back at the same time.
didn't mean to link that post
one punch man
saitama can punch his mind hell atack
Eva 01 couldn't beat chapter 1 Seiya without his Cloth.
>Pucchi or Evas beating Shaka
Well Majin DS is at least several thousand times FTL, and as Adam of Darkness he should be even more powerful, plus he doesn't have the limited problems that come with Judas Pain.
Can Shaka withstand something like Judas Priest? Destroying him on the physical, spiritual and astral level, including his atoms?
I hate Bleach too, but by what measure are they not powerful?
It's powerlevel faggotry, all the characters get stupidly powerful, they're fucking drawn that way.
nigga thats some shit tier character design
Name an anime/manga character that can beat Keroro, you can't.
>people still wanking OPM
Not really, on the scale of DBZ they are low tier. Compared to SS, they are like ants.
Several thousands of times FTL is good, but in the time frame of five minutes, five Gold Cloths covered billions of galaxies. Where as it took weeks for Lucifer to show up crossing like one other galaxy to get to the main area on Earth or some shit.
Its still too much of a big speed difference.
Holy shit you are a fagget, based Umakoshi > your tastes.
>Pucchi or Evas beating Shaka
pucci can just reset the universe until shaka doesnt exist
how does shaka beat not existing
do you even know who pucci is ?
hes a fucking homo
since someone brought tabletops into this, exalted characters
dem perfect defenses, yo
>STTGL isn't canon, neither is the movie.
So now you're introducing new criteria just to prove yourself right?
>They can't be too overpowered
>They can't be non-canon
This is getting lame. So what about Z? Or six-LHW Tenchi?
How about this guy?
>Pucci can just reset the universe until Shaka doesn't exist
StH/MiH is not a casual power like GER, you retard. He can't and he won't have the chance to do so.
>how does Shaka beat not existing
By killing Pucci before he gets the chance to use his Stand. Deal with it.
Majin DS is still too slow. Gold Saints have crossed billions of galaxies in mines, like traversing from the real universe to Hades' Elysion in a smaller timeframe across vastly larger distances.
>Can Shaka withstand something like Judas Priest
Shaka can back from being atomized by a focused Big Bang. I don't think Majin DS has the firepower to put him down.
>TTGL better hit with the force of a big bang, because even one of those was only a temporary set back.
The Anti-Spiral, then. Literal Big Bang attack.
Any Shinigami from Death Note, at the cost of their own life.
Or this cunt.
inferno cop would 1shot shaka
>So what about Z?
Too slow and his power is based around defense, doesn't do much other then fuck up the moon. His attack power is shit tier.
>Six LHW Tenchi
And you are retarded, this is the same comparison to God Tenchi or Demobane being too OP to bother having common sense to actually ask if they can beat Shaka.
Matched by EoS TTGL, which was throwing around galaxies.
Galaxies don't equal big bang attacks.
Shaka sends the pilots all to hell, while avoiding their slow ass attacks.
pucci could be on the other side of the world and just reset the universe in the seconds it would take for shaka to get to him
i dont think "big bang atack" really means "big bang" dude
>Shaka can back from being atomized by a focused Big Bang. I don't think Majin DS has the firepower to put him down.
Well okay, but can he withstand a simultaneous attack on his body, soul and astral/transdimensional form?
>And you are retarded, this is the same comparison to God Tenchi or Demobane being too OP to bother having common sense to actually ask if they can beat Shaka.
Like I said, Six Light Hawk wing Tenchi, not Kami Tenchi, you dolt. Don't be a bitch about it, you should be grateful anyone's indulging your prissy bullshit.
ITT: a bunch of people who either haven't read saint seiya and its HOLY SHIT powerlevel bullshittery, or need to go reread it
literally that whole series may actually be literally one of the most high powered series in fiction, just by the sheer bullshit that happens.
Yes. Gold Saints can affect incorporeal beings, mytholgoical entities, attack the mind, spirit, and soul.
Seiya had to use the 7th sense to regain his mind, move his body, and control of his soul. Saints attack on "three levels" just like high level magicians and Angels/Demons do in Bastard!!.
Also Shaka is stronger then a guy who can casually erase dimensions composed of thousands of stars and planets. I'm well aware of how powerful DS and the Bastard-verse is, but it just isn't quite on SS' level.
>backpedaling this hard
i made fun of naruto fans when their super villain had every power in the series ever but this is stupid.
i don't think i like saint seiya anymore
>slow ass attacks
You mean millions to trillions of times ftl attacks, due to sheer size? Come again?
Z beat normal Tenchi, Shaka > Z > normal Tenchi. No offense but your intentions are obvious. Are you going to next bring up the Chousin or the Counter-Actor now?
>backpedaling this hard
>Introducing new criteria mid-thread after being proven repeatedly wrong
The irony is palpable.
Except not, because time no longer is relative at that scale.
with one bullet
When have I been proven wrong "repeatedly"? You want to hyperbole more, fag?
as soon as she hits level 16
>Also Shaka is stronger then a guy who can casually erase dimensions composed of thousands of stars and planets. I'm well aware of how powerful DS and the Bastard-verse is, but it just isn't quite on SS' level.
Thousands of stars and planets don't even make up a small galaxy, the strongest Bastard!! characters were destroying galaxies without much effort. I really wouldn't say the difference is that big, really.
>its HOLY SHIT powerlevel bullshittery
That's what I figured.
>getting hit by a focused big bang
>getting hit by a "big bang" atomizes you
>big bangs can be focused
Jesus fuck, whoever wrote this is a retard. Haven't read it, never going to.
>this entire thread is OP claiming his dad could beat up your dad
>Someone posts Demonbane
>N-nuh-uh! Too overpowered, doesn't count!
>Someone posts STTGL
>N-not canon! Doesn't count!
Yeah, I think we're done here.
every time someone posts an argument you either dont respond to it or just go "nope" without saying why
i know these are jokes but they would fucking rek barbie over here
Thousands of stars and planets were from a casual attack from a heavily sealed Two-sealed Titan god using his weakest attacks against Aries Mu.
No one in Bastard!! have created pocket universes, reality warp, reboot universes' with casual handwaves (Apollo in Tenaki-Hen movie), and so on.
The difference is larger then you think. Add the hilarious huge speed difference and the gap is greater still.
>I can't suspend my disbelief to read a chinese cartoon comic about Greco-phile psychic knights shooting energy beams and fighting Gods
Not him but that anon said that either people were posting too obvious answers; Demonbane, GER, and actual cosmic beings are clear cut that they'll beat Shaka.
You completely misconstrued what he said on purpose to lie out your ass. He also conceded GER would beat Shaka easily, yet GE wouldn't. Same with Pucci and Stairway to Heaven getting stomped.
Not because Shaka would survive their powers but because he can kill the Stand User before they can actually do anything.
Keep up with the lies though.
>GOOD THING I HAD MY KILL MOVE BUBBY
>Guys can an omnipotent beat a non-omnipotent character?
>Why is he telling me not use those kind of characters?
>I bet he's mad!
pucci doesnt need to be where shaka is to beat him
also if gold saints can move at lightspeed then why didn't they just kill all the other knights before they even knew what was going on?
Actually, Lucifer created a small universe, plus there's God, who created everything in Bastard!!
This argument isn't going anyway, so Imma drop it.
That would be akin to, I don't know, Darker than Black? Or FMA?
"Yeah sure, they can alter physical things, and they pay a price for it, pretty cool I guess."
>focused big bang
That's akin to wiping the dialectic opposition of "belief" from conscious cognition. To buy that I'd have to be incapable of forming thoughts related to doubt.
But I guess your shitty saints can do that too, amirite?
Sadly, I am as up to date on Bastard as you are anon. I'm aware Lucifer showing off a pocket universe in his hands, but we don't know its full scale compared to the ones that 1-sealed Iapetos, Coeus, Kreios, and Hyperion have created.
In fact, Hades "pocket universe" was larger then the main stream one in the SS universe. Again, not seeing Bastard!! is weak but its still somewhat below SS.
God is stronger then Lucifer, but to what extent? We don't know. He hasn't actually directly done shit in the manga yet after all these years.
Nope. Shaka is massively faster then light, Pucci isn't. Deathmask was choking Shiryuu's girlfriend in China from Greece with his telekinesis casually. Shaka doesn't need to move a finger to kill Pucci.
There are no 'lies', he's changing the criteria where it suits him. The STTGL one is the most obvious example.
>Name an anime/manga character that could defeat him.
>Someone names one
>Still using that in these arguments
Good fucking grief.
This invalidates your entire thead.
>Changing criteria to where it suits him.
Are you seriously this autistic? Or simply plain stupid? I'm not the OP who made this thread.
Non-canon Movie only mech
Why are you so ass-pained yourself about someone asking you not to use cosmics when the answer is obvious who would win?
Gets his head ripped off before a synapse in his brain can fire.
shaka wouldn't touch him
its just immune to everything, it cant do everything like, say, create life.
Already admitted GER would beat Shaka. GE wouldn't though, not a ghost chance of hell. Never claimed it was omnipotent.
Guess you didn't read purple haze feedback
Maroka, with the right wish. Or QB, if that counts
>I'm not the OP who made this thread.
Of course not.
I know it's a lot to expect of you, but it was in the Demonbane anime. Plus there are weaker versions of Demonbane from the manga that could fuck Shaka up easily.
>Non-canon Movie only mech
So an anime movie isn't an anime/manga character because...?
Face it, your thread is shit because you refuse to play ball when it's not in your favour. Go be a babby somewhere else.
pic related, big boss can become invisible to a metaphorical level and just slash shaka's throath.
sure, shaka can destroy atoms, but he can't kill someone who can become this invisible
Was garbage, like really shitty. No one likes talking about how terrible the adaption was.
Go ahead and quote the OP and this post so I can screen-cap how retarded you are. Now do you want to keep posting ad naseum trying to get the last word? Because I called out how retarded it is to bring up cosmics, omnipotents, or high level reality warpers into this?
Can't come up with a character who isn't any of that? Too bad for you I guess.
>your character can't beat mine
>here's character that can
>that doesnt count
>he's too strong
>continues to shitpost
Thanks for the concession.
Emps is powerful, but his reality warping abilities are planetary in scale. There are a lot of characters out there that are multiversal.
You know it's true
no needs to describe your actions using greentext, i can understand you.
It doesn't matter how stupid the adaptation was. It shows the Elder Gods, so they are now anime canon which means all the feats they preformed that CREATED REALITY FROM FORMLESS CHAOS are now thread related.
It wasn't just the anime btw. The VNs were absolute garbage too. That doesn't change the fact that EGD is Brokken OP HAX bullshit and perfect for disrupting PLthreads.
>talks about greentext
>in response to a post you made with a bait reply
Do you not understand how retarded bringing up cosmics and multiversal characters become in power level threads?
>Was garbage, like really shitty. No one likes talking about how terrible the adaption was.
What a compelling argument. Now try one where anyone could give a fuck.
>Go ahead and quote the OP and this post so I can screen-cap how retarded you are.
Oh no, please don't embarass me in front of all these anonymous nobodies on the internet, internet nobody! I'll do anything!
>Can't come up with a character who isn't any of that? Too bad for you I guess.
I already did, STTGL. You just keep trying to wriggle out of it like a little bitch.
>Muh not-quite cosmic reality warper demi-god is the top outside characters who are more powerful than him
Whoop de fucking doo. What an amazing argument.
And yeah, I'm finished here, you can have the last word an provide internet humilitation to no one who cares, if you want. G'bye.
>tries to build up a serious reply to me as a post after getting called out for constant shitposting
>talks about leaving after saying it earlier as well, again another case of concession by trying to get the last word in to save face
No one will miss you
Do you have any idea how retarded it is to claim that your character is the most powerful when you KNOW there are multiversal beings who are more powerful, and then complain when people bring them up?
I guess you don't, otherwise you'd have shut up about it by now.
isnt the point of posting demonbane so these threads wouldn't happen?
>got his panties on a twist because of some random /v/tard
shaka is a shitty character
like really low tier shitty
almost as shitty as >>100640524
this fag's design
pic related is the only likeable character in the entire franchise
and he's 99% unlikeable
Did you not see
>perfect for disrupting PLthreads.
PLthreads are garbage. We may as well have fun with them by pissing all over someone's special little snowflake with an objectively terrible character from an objectively terrible series.
Entire post dismissed, even if intended as a joke reply.
Never claimed Shaka was the most powerful. Was more interested in seeing a match up near his level, rather then either character way below or above him.
You are fucking retarded because I've repeated myself on this like four times now. Either you have selective reading problems or you are plain fucking stupid.
>anon never says Shaka is the most powerful
>only that so and so are too weak
>or so and so are too powerful
>You still say the exact opposite of what actually happened so far in the thread
Keep being a lying sack of shit though.
Saint Seiya has the best soundtrack of anime.
Fairy Tail has a better soundtrack.
FIGHT ME NERD
>Bet you can't beat my character from OP bullshit manga.
>Hey, you can't refer to characters from other OP bullshit mangas, that's not allowed.
>not jojo 2012
Aw shit nigger this thread
>Name a more powerful character
>You can't use more powerful characters, it's not fair.
>Name an anime/manga character that could defeat him.
Right there, in the fucking OP. You may not be claiming it, but the OP sure is. Hence it's retarded. That is all.
Small universe? Universes expand for eternity so how can a universe be small? Nips are desperately trying to be edgier than the west
Pocket universe is a pretty common trope in western media.
If I remember correctly from years back in the DC comic Lucifer he makes his own pocket universe to get away from God and his fucked up creation. Not sure though, you would need to ask /co/
Joseph Joestar would find some crazy way to win.
DC Lucifer's was at least a full-scale universe, he shaped it into existence in the Void outside of Creation using Michaels' body, which contained the power of creation. If the power had been released inside of Creation, everything in it would have been destroyed (despite it being a full-scale multiverse), so a single universe is a given, though it was probably a multi-layed multiverse in its own right.
I never saw Saint Seiya, but she has to give him a run for his money.
If your talking about Lucifer Morningstar, he's way above universal level. At full power, he's only under The Presence/DC + Veritgo's actual God. Same with Michael.
He also tanked an attack from Michael that was equivalent to destroy the entire multiverse from his brother. Again, Morningstar from Vertigo/brought into DC is well above universal. We're talking full power Demonbane power level here.
damn that's a shiny yu-gi-oh
They were talking about Bastard! Lucifer making a universe when I jumped in with my own, admitedly, limited knowledge of Vertigo Lucifer.
It's a moot point either way seeing as how the OP said we had to find a character that could defeat his, but couldn't be more powerful.
Easy answer, pleb or not. Rinnegan, Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and the Sage tools Madara wins.
Doesn't count according to OPs criteria. OP post was poorly worded, but he corrected it in subsequent posts. The character has to be weaker than OP and still beat him. This would probably involve some sort of trickery or creative use of powers. So far I don't think anyone has done it.
Demonbane. Demonbane is always the correct answer.
>The character has to be weaker than OP and still beat him. This would probably involve some sort of trickery or creative use of powers. So far I don't think anyone has done it.
Pity, there's any number of /co/ characters who could do something like that. Moslty because everything having to fit together dictates that even small-scale characters can challenge mighty being and win.
You don't have to tell me all that, I've read Lucifer. Him 'tanking' the blast from Michael is questionable, since the whole thing was a controlled detonation performed with Michael's consent, but Lucifer nontheless contained and shaped it into a system of universe(s).
And while he is just below The Presence, the gap is still pretty vast, as shown when those stupid trolls obtained his power. Though since we're on /a/ we should just be talking about omnipotent lolis, so Elaine is the only one who matters here.