Is Homura's world right or wrong?
Both of these 'answers' are irrelevant, because this is not an ending, but merely a means to an end. Are you forgetting that Homura is pragmatic?
Junko foretold it, Homura has implied it, and earlier anime in the genre have laid out the archetypes before. Just accept Duality as the canon interpretation already.
I'll be the first to admit that I haven't seen Kannazuki no Miko. Is the anime or manga better?
Anime has a slightly diffferent ending. Other than that no drastic differences. I'd suggest you view both. Anime is only 1 cour and the manga is only 2 volumes.
Junko uses silly visual novel Keima logic. Nonetheless, Homura probably made the right choice to reach the True End.
Homura has transcended your concepts of right and wrong.
not sure if want.
Homura did noting wrong
pls no dead homu
No, the system was going perfectly well until Homura fucked everything up because she wanted that sweet pink Madoka pussy
I can't wait for Homura's Ubermensch plan to bear fruit next season.
Can you blame her?
You've got to admit that's a pretty good reason though.
Notice how Sayaka uses protection.
Practice safe hand-holding
Nanoha and Fate didn't put safety first, and look what happened to them.
By doing everything wrong?
To get the right ending.
and into Madoka's pants
>Junko foretold it
Madoka always do the wrong thing (throwing Sayaka's soulgem away) that's why Homura have to do the right thing (Retrieve Sayaka's soulgem)to fix everything Madoka had done wrong.
Overall plot in Rebellion just point this out and give more perfect ending by making Homura a true saviour to fix the wrong thing Madoka had done again.
>implying that Madokami hadn't brought that closed carriage so they could get it on immediately
Now there's a whole universe for that.
>Madokami and created the Law of Cycles was the wrong thing to do
No, fuck you, god, Homufags are unbearable now.
She wanted to do it on the bed.
Apparently that breaks the universe.
No, not really, Homura fucked up and they aren't together anymore.
>Homura-chan, come on, let's move to the carriage...
>But everyone is watchi-
I disagree, because Homucifer doesn't really rewrite what Madokami did. The Law of Cycles still presides over karmic causality.
Homura did the wrong thing for the right reasons due to misinterpreting the flower scene.
Not hard to understand.
At least Homu has her suffering.
Their bond is eternal. A little suffering is nothing, anon.
Madoka isn't doing wrong things, Homura is just being yandere and taking Madoka for herself.
Seems like you're reading what you want out of that post. Madoka made the best decisions possible in that situation, no need to be upset.
>Madoka always do the wrong thing
>Overall plot in Rebellion just point this out
>Homura a true saviour to fix the wrong thing Madoka had done again.
Why? Homu knows about it more than anyone else including Madoka herself.
That's why she saw through what Madoka had done wrong and fix everything for her.
Homu is just too perfect and know everything while the others are too stupid to understand her and her only flaw is that she is bad at expanation.
That's why she have to do everthing by herself to fix the wrong thing that those foolish had done and bear all the suffering to herself.
>Homu knows about it more than anyone else including Madoka herself.
Stop reading right there, no she don't, she don't even know what the fuck she really want.
If you want to take everything at face value and disregard all of the references to literature, foreshadowing, connections to Ep.12, and implications of AkuHomu's words, sure anon.
But for other anons, the flower scene is a red herring due to Homura's amnesia within her world, deal with it. Homura planned the Rebellion. What do you think Urobuchi meant when he said the meaning of the wings will be revealed by the movies?
>Madokami's head on schoolgirl Madoka's body
>she don't even know what the fuck she really want.
Not really. She's pretty assured with herself now.
>Why? Homu knows about it more than anyone else including Madoka herself.
>That's why she saw through what Madoka had done wrong and fix everything for her.
>Homu is just too perfect and know everything while the others are too stupid to understand her and her only flaw is that she is bad at expanation.
>That's why she have to do everthing by herself to fix the wrong thing that those foolish had done and bear all the suffering to herself.
omg you are so ridiculous. I don't even know where to start. Sometimes I don't think Homufags even watched the same anime I did.
>Homura planned the Rebellion.
This is an intriguing idea and fits with Homura's, "I've waited so long for this," line. Did she have it in mind ever since episode 12, but lacked the resolve to go through with it?
Or could Homura have concocted the plan to change her Soul Gem to Love Modo and become super-powerful by taking control of her witch side as far back as her time-looping, but was afraid to go through with it because of the risk of failure, i.e. becoming a witch? With Madokami there, she now had a safety net in case it didn't work.
>Homura planned the Rebellion.
>this is what Homurafags believe
Man, I love necessary evil.
>"Even if I am to carry "all the evils of this world", it won't matter. If that can save the world, then I'd gladly accept it."
>"No matter my sin, no matter what form I take, I'm sure it will be fine as long as I'm with you."
I dunno. I think Homura's plan was spur-of-the-moment.
Remember what Kyubey said about being able to interfere with Madoka if they can see her? Remember how everyone can see Madoka when she comes for Homura - when normally people can't see Madoka? Clearly, Homura saw an opportunity and took it.
I love that exploitable
Homura is (probably) the only character in anime towards I felt an inexplicable and complete apathy. I don't hate her, love her or any mid point between.
There is something in her entire being that doesn't let me get a grasp of her as a person.
Everyone is a Homurafag anon, there are those who believe it and those who don't.
Who told Kyubey about Madoka, and accepted the curses of despair of her own volition?
and then there are those of us who find her to be only scum that needs scrubbed off the face of the earth.
You'd think it would be more obvious to anons when Colorful connects Ep12 and Rebellion for us.
I don't believe it.
She isn't that bad anon.
She just needs to wake up and realize that you can't trap the person you want to save so dearly by putting them in your own little cage.
Homura, the same that was going to commit suicide when she learned that QB was trying to fuck with Madokami, now why she would do that if she was planning to dethrone Madokami herself anyway, you stupid fuck?
Got that image on higher resolution/quality?
>putting them in your own little cage.
But that's not what Homura did at all.
I thought it was that Homura was able to expand that witch-like barrier throughout the universe.
Isn't that what was discussed about countless threads ago? The reason why she is able to change people's memories and everything else?
Shit like this from Homufags makes me hope the sequel follows up on its established theme and punish Homura for her actions.
Rebellion pretty much handed Homura everything she wanted without consequence other than shit Homura self-inflicts on herself.
>"I'm no longer even a magical girl. Why? Tell me. Why on earth did I do something like this?"
Amnesia induced by her own kakera. The witch symbolizes the true desire, dear anon, like Sayaka points out in Rebellion. Homura doesn't actually understand her own intentions as a witch until the scene where Madoka reaches through the window.
>"This farce is making light of Madoka's sacrifice!"
>Meanwhile, Homura's familiars: "Gott is tot! Gott is tot!"
>control the universe so everything is Madoka-safe, having near complete control of what happens in the world
>not a cage
ikr? Homufags are delusional.
But she did, that's what the spool thread trapped in the orb of Homura and the window at the end represent.
Since when were you under the impression that Homura isn't punishing herself? No matter how thick your skull is, the sheer amount of symbolism on her self-loathing should be able to drill through.
Do you not understand where Homura is right now? She's in her own labyrinth, literally drowning in her own despair right now. That's why, even though has Madoka again, she still feels alone.
Leave Homura alone.
But she didn't. All she did was rip Madoka from LoC and put her back on Earth.
>Making Madoka's highest point in the series into a stupid mistake that she was forced to make because of the situation at hand
This is what gets my blood boiling, pretty much the one positive thing Madoka's done now is being nice to everyone she meets. Pretty much every other thing she attempts to do either fails miserably (Reviving Sayaka through the power of friendship) or gets blocked by Homura.
It's all the worse because Madoka actually does feel deep down that she's worthless to the world.
All that sounds like that Homura did her rebellion because circumstances and not something she was planning from the beginning, dear anon.
That's the last thing she wants though, silly anon.
>epic non-anime reaction memes xD
>every post has to contain a juvenile insult
No one can make you leave, but can you at least -pretend- you're not underage?
>What is samefagging
It's quite obvious.
>No one can make you leave, but can you at least -pretend- you're not underage?
wow... you sure found me out.. great job, Shitlock.
I'm 30-something. Take your assumptions elsewhere and stay on topic.
Did you read what I said? I acknowledge that Homura is punishing herself in how she behaves and acts as the new goddess. The point is why the hell should a world built by a single-minded obsessive demon be better off than the one built out of genuine concern for all magical girls. Ask most and they'll say Madoka's world was shit compared to Homura's, a sequel needs to show the consequence of being so single-minded and in control of the universe.
oh and by the way, the third one isn't me, you twits.
Because he isn't typing like a faggot.
At least I can say that you're not an murrican shitposter.
Lurk moor faget
look in a mirror. You just made cuz I'm dissing on Homura.
It seems like spur of the moment at face value, sure, because Homura within the barrier has no idea why she became a witch in the first place. But the flaw in logic you're making is assuming that her intentions are as linear as the narrative would have you believe.
Homura of the real world didn't just take a nap one day and become a witch. We see her using despair to fuel her powers back in Ep12, and Kyubey has been her pawn ever since she told him about Madoka.
This is the reason for Homura's words when Madokami comes.
>"I've been waiting... for this moment."
>"I've finally caught you."
That doesn't sound spur-of-the-moment at all. That sounds like things went just according to keikaku.
>Lurk moor faget
you first. your sleuthing skills are legendarily terrible,
can one ever have enough Homu images?
And your posting quality is even worse, keep giving me more posts will ya?
Yeah I'm convinced that it was Homura's plan for a long while before Rebellion.
I hope if Madoka gets her godhood back she slaps her once or twice for breaking her trust and not instantly go into forgiving mode.
>Homura of the real world didn't just take a nap one day and become a witch.
For all we know, yes, that's exactly what happened, anon.
I don't know.
Homura is actually the most retarded one of the bunch
>I may look and act underage, but it's fine because word of god says I'm an adult!
'Sup lolicon apologists.
And then there's like, the other 75% of the fanbase, yeah.
Sure, you can go full sperg and ignore all implict cues to the contrary, just like everyone who thought the series ended on a happy note for Homura, and everyone who thought Kyouko and Sayaka weren't gay.
Guess what? You'll be proven wrong again, and then you'll cry 'recton!' like a broken record.
I'm still upset that that was not explained. For we know, the ending bit with the wings coming forth from Homura from the anime could've been anything.
This guy gets it.
Retards misunderstand it entirely.
NEITHER solution was the right one. They BOTH have problems and are not perfect.
>Kyouko and Sayaka weren't gay
I can't even take the kanon material seriously though. The movie just flat out made them gay, so I don't know if I should accept the pandering or not.
>Kyouko and Sayaka weren't gay.
But they still aren't and never were.
So then she went witch mode and QB took advantage of that?
I think even if she slapped her once or twice she won't listen, both of them just doesn't want to be protected they want to be the one who protects.
Both of them have to sit this one down and make arrangements.
>and everyone who thought Kyouko and Sayaka weren't gay.
And thought I was arguing with someone semi-intelligent.
A few weeks ago I mentioned I was going through Homura's booru/pixiv tags and saving basically every image that's decent or better. Some anons asked me to upload when I finished.
I'm only like 5% through Pixiv and 75% through Danbooru, but are people still interested when I'm done?
Right and wrong is subjective. Faggots here don't really get that though.
Or possibly, she took advantage of QB taking advantage of her.
Fuck off, the idea that Homura was becoming a witch was about as valid as any positive opinion on the ending of ep. 12. Just because hindsight proves she was planning Rebellion at that point doesn't mean during the tv series it was obvious.
Homufags are becoming as obnoxious as Kirnofags.
Why does that look so cute?
I wonder if being placed with huge food is a tag/thing?
I really want to get the BDs and re-watch the movie again.
I feel like I missed so much shit, I'll have to pause every now and then to look for stuff.
Right, it's totally cool that everyone takes something from the series that is unique and subjective to them.
But canon is different, and you can't take a post-credit teaser wherein Homura is leaking so much dark magic that it literally envelopes the screen to mean that everything is going to be rainbows and butterflies.
Nah, what's obnoxious is how anons in these threads are so visibly biased by what Rebellion did to their interpretation of the series.
It was fine three years ago when the series was the only work, but "I'm going to ignore anything that isn't clear exposition!" is starting to get old. Rebellion has established the relevance of symbolism and foreshadowing to the narrative. There is no excuse anymore.
>Homura is leaking so much dark magic that it literally envelopes the screen to mean that everything is going to be rainbows and butterflies.
Nobody says that but assume that she was planning the rebellion only in the fact that she was became a witch is just retarded.
Separate continuities make me very happy.
Meh I was deceived by the smile and her hearing Madoka's voice at the end. It made me think "This might be the final fight, but Madoka's waiting to take her in"
Didn't really suspect Homura was smiling because she was going to pull yet another Madoka block at god-tier levels.
Looking back on the scenes with bowmura though I suppose there is more weight to a planned Rebellion even without the 3rd movie to show the truth.
You know saying that everyone who disagrees with you is just "disregarding" the symbolism and etc. is pretty arrogant, because you're implying that your interpretations are the only possible ones.
I really hope you're being sarcastic, anon.
>I don't even know where to start
That's jsut stupid excuse for unable to deny the truth.
How do you deal with the fact that it's all a lie so they can keep as many fans and thus as much money as possible?
no it just means your post is so full of shit and fuck, I don't know where to begin correcting you.
But it's not a lie.
I'm not, for some stupid reason I thought Homura could move on and live a life that Madoka would want her to live and wait for her deserved reward upon death.
You know, denying reality is what Homura does.
>Movies are a near exact retelling of the television series
>Suddenly sequel movie continuing this story is somehow a separate canon
>Expecting something rational from Homura
Ain't gonna happen, pal.
Witches' kakera don't lie. The realm and familiars are reflections of the subconscious.
The Clara Dolls do things like throwing tomatoes at Madokami while chanting, "Gott ist tot" and kicking around the pink spool of thread. Also recall that the Claras are the ones who led Madoka and the others into the barrier.
" I know if i go back in time, I can save her this time even though I failed countless times before and my only power is rewinding, stopping, and starting time and stealing guns!"
But she does exactly that, things only changed when QB put her in the barrier.
No one wants to have this argument again. But the alt continuities thing is perfectly valid whether you like it or not.
You're confusing subjective interpretations of the series with theorizing about the objective canon. Stop.
If Homu is suck a great waifu, why is she lesbians for Madonk?
I miss when people would frodo properly.
>"Are you running away to your own time again? You’re relying on your magic too much. That's such a bad habit of yours."
Sayaka never even knew the weight of her own words.
Barriers are not something consistent, they change, in fact we see the fucking barrier changes in the fucking movie.
Nope, according to >>100631150
and the quotes
>"I've been waiting...for this moment."
>I've finally caught you"
Homura told QB about witches purposely to get the Incubators curious and did that suicide run against the wraiths so they could take her and place her in their isolation chamber.
Though I admit, it would be less difficult to bear if you were right but things seem to point more toward Homura planning Rebellion from ep. 12 and just having amnesia in her barrier.
She's not, all waifu fantasies have devolved into friendzone nightmares.
Just who is saying Homu can be called anything as docile and tame as a waifu?
Not all, no, not even half of the Homufag are masochist faggots.
>Homu is suck
It would have been impossible for her rebel against Madoka.
Remember what happens to Sayaka in episode 12? She vanishes and no-one sees what happened. Only reason Madoka is visible in Rebellion is because of what Kyubey did.
Somehow you're saying Homura knew that Kyubey could keep her Soul Gem away from the Law of Cycles and Madoka could be put into an observable form. Homura ain't that good.
>but things seem to point more toward Homura planning Rebellion from ep. 12
No they fucking don't, she only change her mind after learning that QB was trying to control Madokami and Madoka wasn't willing to sacrifice herself, god you people can't be this retarded.
Most definitely more than half, if not half.
Nah, she do the opposite.
She release everyone from Madoka's cage to let them see the world more so that they can think thourougly about their life instead of trapping inside Yuri Vahalla forever due to making a wish from short thought because they just need it at that moment.
- Sayaka make a wish because Kyousuke rage at her.
- Mami make a wish because she's nearly dead.
- Kyouko make a wish because her family is ruining without thinking thoroughly and ruin her own family by her own hands at the end
- Madoka make a wish because Homura is nearly turn into the witch and no one will be able to save the town anymore.
They are just 14 years-old-girl so its obviously that they can't judge thing properly, they should have live their life more before they can decide properly what their life should be.
Homura state of mind is more than 20 now and she have gone through a lot and expereince things more than Madoka.
That's no wonder why her dicision is better than Madoka since she already think thoroughly about it.
Drop more F-bombs, they give your argument more credibility.
Also, what you said doesn't even pertain to the points you're trying to refute. No one said barriers are consistent, just that witches reflect the innermost desires. Homura lost her memory and thought she was fighting for Madoka when the familiars suggest that she actually doesn't accept Madoka's sacrifice.
Again, the flower scene isn't her making any new revelations, she's just remembering things she forgot.
what the fuck
>She release everyone from Madoka's cage
I really want to think that those are trolls and no that Homurafags are this retarded but I just don't know anymore.
>when the familiars suggest that she actually doesn't accept Madoka's sacrifice.
It's called the subconscious anon.
>Again, the flower scene isn't her making any new revelations, she's just remembering things she forgot.
>>Though this irredemable world continues repeating its hatred and tragedies this is still the place that she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never forget it. That is why I will keep fighting
THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!
I can't even understand properly what your point is with all that botched grammar.
No idea what I can (or even should) do to make a counter-point.
There is no 'changing her mind'. The Homura of the dream world was misguided by her amnesia.
Why do you think that, during the flower field scene, when she has her "Eyes go WIDE" epiphany, we're flashed a frame of the hallway scene?
>"Kaname Madoka, do you value your life? Do you think that your family and friends are important to you?"
>"If they are, then you should never think of changing yourself.
Yeah. What could be better than living in a universe ruled and changed at the will of an emotionally unstable, borderline psychopath bitch?
Not many come to mind, uh?
Madokami is the true goddess. Homurakuma is a poor misguided corrupted girl.
>unstable goddess rules the universe
>shown that absolutely nothing is wrong with the universe, even the familiars aren't harming anyone
Sequel needs to show some consequences, it's not like this series hasn't shat on everyone else trying to achieve their personal good end. Why should the one with comparatively the most selfish desire get a free pass?
That quote doesn't refute anything I've said. Homura is still fighting, and she has a plan. She says as much when she grabs Kyuubey, and she even tells Sayaka she still intends to destroy the wraiths.
>comparatively the most selfish desire
Kill yourself right now.
Maybe she didn't know in great specific detail, but if anyone would be able to do it, it would be Kyubey.
It was just another crazy Homura theory about how to keep Madoka alive and human, usually never works.
If Homura had a disorder she would be schizoid.
God, madokafags and homufags are so fucking stupid.
It's like watching monkeys at the zoo.
High-five to every dualist out here. Let's face it, where is good there always has to be evil. The series and movie portraits that theme pretty well.
>Three Panel Soul /v/-/b/ version
That's beautiful, anon. Did you do that?
>just that witches reflect the innermost desires.
Exactly, her barrier at first tries to create a perfect world where everyone can live in peace, is only after Homura learns the "truth" that she changes and tries to separated Madoka from Madokami, proving that her actions weren't planned from the end of the series, happy that we reached an agreement, anon.
fuck back off to tumblr
All 10,000 hours on mspaint by me.
That's really a long shot. No one knows what the Incubators are capable of, the isolation field came out of left field for both the audience and the characters.
Fuck off back to being a simpleminded fag with nothing on its mind but pair of pantsu.
Oh wait, I forgot i shouldn't feed animals at the zoo.
kek fuck off tumblr landwhale
go back to tumblr. seriously. fuck right off. don't come back.
alternatively lurk moar, stop posting tumblr pics, and stfu
Right, putting all magical girls and their afterlife second to your own desire to protect one person is definitely not the most selfish wish.
It must be Sayaka's wish that's the most selfish right? That bitch.
This posts aren't better either.
>my waifu is less selfish than your waifu!!
Fuck off. No one is interested in shitflinging with you.
>can't even speak english
>degrades other posts
The question is, was the isolation field even necessary to Homura's plot? It looks to me like she was doing a fine job of accepting her own despair and using it in tandem with hope as a source of terrifying power until Kyubey stepped in.
at least i gave him an alternative
What happened to just posting "it's bait" then moving on?
>post will smith/kek/simpsons
>Not being able to see trough the facade that is now that love.
>Not seeing that her obsesion towards Madoka's safety is her own necessity of wish-fulfillment after so many failed attemps.
She had good intentions at the begining, no doubts about it, but that "goodness" got eroded as was her mind.
Those two didn't even have correct grammar nor punctuation. And severe lack of capital letters. Duhh.
Where the fuck do you see a grammar issue?
But if anyone would know anything about it, if anyone was crazy experienced enough to deduce the possibility, it would probably be Homura.
Also aren't her powers an extension of Madokami? The angel wings, the bow, the purpose. So why do the wings become so super corrupted? Is it all Homura's fault, or is she experimenting, or is something going wrong on Madokami's end?
>Making baseless assertions about numerical values
>The question is, was the isolation field even necessary to Homura's plot? It looks to me like she was doing a fine job of accepting her own despair and using it in tandem with hope as a source of terrifying power until Kyubey stepped in.
Yeah, this is the big question, and it's backed up by Homura's, "I've waited a long time for this." Homura might have just not had the determination to yank Madoka out of heaven, though she was toying with darker powers because she was sure that Madoka would come for her if she went full witch.
The out-of-story explanation for the wings is that Inu-Curry stuck them in to represent Homura's female, right-brain magic as a counter to the Wraiths' male, linear magic, but that doesn't explain why Homura grew them there when we never saw any other magical girl do anything similar (until Rebellion, when Sayaka started doing the same thing as a being beyond the magical girl/witch distinction).
>implying these threads do not indicate a approximate number
>But if anyone would know anything about it, if anyone was crazy experienced enough to deduce the possibility, it would probably be Homura.
It's too much. Homura isn't Yagami Light, and even he couldn't have done it without a guidebook to the Incubators. Also, she'd never have risked Madoka's safety for a crazy keikaku like that.
>But if anyone would know anything about it, if anyone was crazy experienced enough to deduce the possibility, it would probably be Homura.
Yeah, nah, she was shocked and horrified by the fact that the Isolation Field existed, this theory is just stupid, just fucking stop.
Or just change the filename so this whiny faggots don't complain about, you lazy fuck
Please, present your statistics to back up your claim.
people are dumb and easily rused
You do realize why that proves nothing, right?
Punctuation and letter capitalization is part of the grammar, you uneducated cunt.
It proves a lot more than you'd like to admit.
The movie showed that she only slowly regained her memories within the isolation field, why is it so absurd that a Homura who didn't know about her plan to pull Madoka from the Universe would be shocked to learn about the Incubators plan.
Whatever. Punctuation and letter capitalization are passable. Spelling errors are not.
Why is it that every time tumblr comes to these threads the IQ is lowered by 50%?
>"I've waited a long time for this."
That can simply mean that she was waiting to be reunite with Madokami (like fucking episode 12 suggest) not that she was waiting for the moment where culminates her master plan to control Madokami.
And we've been through this countless times, the fucking wings mean nothing.
No, it only proves that someone knows how to use snipping tool and gimp.
Is there a summary of the past few threads? I can't believe the current direction of some of these claims saying that Homura planned it all. Homura cannot have planned it since Ep 12. Having planned it all doesn't reconcile at all with how she reacted when she found out that she was witch.
Most importantly, there's just too much Homura doesn't know from the end of ep12 to her decision to ai yo~.
>seriously believing somebody using a picture from tumblr found it on tumblr, not by google
Just chirping into your convo here, but since a third of those masochistic posts in that image are mine, there's a good chance that it's a truncated representation.
But in the first place I don't know why you'd make a claim like "not even half of Homufags are masochists."
First of all, you have no evidence, so why make the claim? Second of all, it's not about being masochist in general. It's about being masochist -for Homura-.
Even if Homura was planning to use AI YO before Rebellion somehow, there is no way that she guessed about the Incubators' plan, and it wasn't even relevant to the fulfillment of Homura's plan.
But she's saying that literally seconds before tearing Madoka in half and enacting her plan.
Again, I would point to the powers she got in the Madokami time line. Maybe that, and the corruption of it, somehow gave her insight into how Madokami works as a concept.
Maybe Madoka was not safe, and would be in danger if things continued as they did?
Also the incubator supertech barrier gave her the ability to spam her own despair, which I don't think anyone else ever did before. Might have learned some things that no one else had the opportunity to learn.
>That can simply mean that she was waiting to be reunite with Madokami (like fucking episode 12 suggest) not that she was waiting for the moment where culminates her master plan to control Madokami.
That's what we're supposed to think before Homura goes full yan.
>googling reaction images
going to /sp/ and /v/ would get you better content.
It's just a cool theory. No one really believes it.
>we've been through this countless times, the fucking wings mean nothing.
>[Urobuchi] hinted that the meaning behind [Homura's] wings may be explained in the Madoka Magica movie trilogy.
But for the image to be made, he would need a source, yes?
>Homura cannot have planned it since Ep 12. Having planned it all doesn't reconcile at all with how she reacted when she found out that she was witch.
If Homura was planning to use AI YO, whether for taking back Madoka or just as a mega-power-up to fight the Wraiths more effectively, before Rebellion, then she still had no intention of becoming a witch, nor would she have believed it possible. The whole point of Devil mode is that you don't become a witch; you transcend it.
So? That was the only time she saw the real Madoka.
>Having planned it all doesn't reconcile at all with how she reacted when she found out that she was witch.
Again, she was suffering from amnesia. She didn't remember becoming a witch or why she became one, but the intentions of the witch are relayed to us through the familiars.
>Having planned it all doesn't reconcile at all with how she reacted when she found out that she was witch.
>Most importantly, there's just too much Homura doesn't know from the end of ep12 to her decision to ai yo~.
That's how they work, putting all the important facts you want to know in the next part of the series. Watch some sequel will show that Homura was spying on the Incubators as they built their isolation field and gathered enough evidence to believe it would work to her advantage.
No. There's just no way that she anticipated the Incubators' actions. It's too implausible. It's already a big stretch to infer that Homura was pondering converting her despair to love before Rebellion.
That is only circumstantial evidence that does not really prove anything, the movie really doesn't bother to explain anything about the wings.
>average /sp/ thread
>[Urobuchi] hinted that the meaning behind [Homura's] wings may be explained in the Madoka Magica movie trilogy.
But they weren't! At least not directly or clearly. Dammit.
I would like to know your opinion on that matter. When did Homura decide to do her Rebellion and what was her motivation in your opinion?
>That's how they work, putting all the important facts you want to know in the next part of the series.
No. The only big unforeshadowed asspull was AI YO, and only in the sense that there were no hints that such a thing was at all possible to do beforehand.
>Homura gave itself amnesia to deceive (?) Madoka and thus be able to dethrone her!
You people are retarded.
>The whole point of Devil mode is that you don't become a witch; you transcend it.
It's amazing how you get it and yet don't at the same time.
Homura's love is so strong because everything she felt, whether hope or despair, has all been for Madoka.
Just like Sayaka/Nagisa couldn't ascend to angel status without first becoming witches and then coming to peace with their desires and grief, Homura couldn't ascend without first becoming a witch and embracing her despair.
That's why Akuma Homura is in a labyrinth, surrounded by familiars who bully her, has alienated herself, makes allusions to suicide, and overall seems to be suffering greatly. She has embraced a living hell just for Madoka's happiness.
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
>Homura tries an AI YO grab
>all she ends up doing is tugging on Madokami's gloves
>Sighs and gives in to the purification
But he didn't have ideas for a sequel when he wrote the series.
In my opinion? Homura decided that she had made a mistake and wanted to undo it in the flower field, but was occupied with the current mystery of the labyrinth. She made her final decision to rebel when Madoka came to her through the window of Homulily's mindscape or whatever. This is strongly indicated by Rebellion.
However, in my almost completely unfounded, speculative opinion, Homura might have been pondering the possibilities of converting despair to love in episode 12, and perhaps even further back in her time looping. One could hypothesize that Homura was despairing out so fast in episode 11 (far faster than even Sayaka!) because she was intentionally forcing the witch transformation, hoping by way of a miracle to keep control via love and destroy Walpurgisnacht at the cost of her remaining humanity.
>Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
Careful if you allude to Milton the anti-Homucifer crowd might start acting up.
It's pretty clear from the comparison image that her wings come from despair. People were saying this three years ago, it's just that the symbolism in Rebellion supports this. Doesn't the tree remind you at all of wings branching out?
Chekhov's Gun, guys.
Akuma Homura may be part witch, but she retains her sanity (well, most of it) and her hope. Witches have no hope.
Just to be clear her mistake being allowing Madoka to sacrifice herself right?
But anon, when did she make the mistake of accepting Madoka's sacrifice? Episode 12 and Colorful show that pre-Rebellion Homura was NOT happy with it, so it had to have happened when her memories were overwritten in the dream world.
>It's pretty clear from the comparison image that her wings come from despair. People were saying this three years ago, it's just that the symbolism in Rebellion supports this. Doesn't the tree remind you at all of wings branching out?
>Chekhov's Gun, guys.
But that wasn't the intention of the animators who created that image. Urobuchi could have used it as inspiration for Rebellion, but in that case it falls into the "foreshadowing that isn't foreshadowing" category. Rather like Kyubey's sinister observation to Homura that witches sound awfully interesting that wasn't intended as a sequel hook when written.
Yes. Homura felt that she should have stopped Madoka from making her wish.
In the flower field scene, the mistake she thinks she made is not doing everything she possibly could to stop Madoka from making her wish. She almost explicitly says that.
>But anon, when did she make the mistake of accepting Madoka's sacrifice? Episode 12 and Colorful show that pre-Rebellion Homura was NOT happy with it
No, Homura thought that she could accept it and dedicated herself to fighting Wraiths until her time ran out and she met Madoka again. Maybe she was wrong, but Homura doesn't know her own desires very well.
Urobuchi didn't think about the wings and he wasn't responsible for the visual of the movie, in an interview he clearly states that he leave all the visual to SHAFT.
No one said that. Also, your egotistic tendency to insult everyone you argue with is tiring, especially when you can't even bother to think up anything more inspired than 'retarded', 'faggots', or 'fuck you'.
Homulilly's desire was for everyone to live happy lives, which is reflected in her kakera. Guess what? The same exact thing is reflected in Akuma Homura's kakera. Just like she subconsciously pulled in all of the megucas, Madoka's parents, Nakazawa-kun, etc., before, so too does she do it as AkuHomu.
The view I'm mostly drawn to is that Homura did try to dedicate herself to fighting wraiths and then fell into despair around the time of Sayaka dying and possibly Mami and Kyoko splitting over that death.
From there she starts doubting her purpose for fighting and if Madoka even existed, from there she decides to do whatever possible to get Madoka back and plans Rebellion starting by getting the Incubators interested in witches again.
HomuNaka fanart needs to happen.
Exactly anon, you get it!
Homura's power is fueled by hope AND despair. She's the fallen equivalent to Sayaka and Nagisa.
It's why she can keep going even in her own psychological hell. "No matter what I may become, it's fine as long as I'm with you!"
Homura isn't scared of the darkness because she can see the light at the end.
>starting by getting the Incubators interested in witches again.
You were okay up until this part. There's just no way that Homura planned to use them to help capture Madoka. She'd never let them near Madoka; she was willing to destroy herself utterly and never meet Madoka again to stop them from even seeing Madoka properly.
>Homura isn't scared of the darkness because she can see the light at the end.
More like she keeps the light in her pocket.
What light at the end? It's all downhill from here. One day she's going to have to fight Madoka.
You realize that what you say contradicts the theory that Homura planned the rebellion from the beginning, right?
You're so close to piecing everything together, anon.
Ask yourself two questions: When did the meetings for brainstorming the plot of a sequel to the series begin? Now, most importantly--who came up with the idea of Homura as Madoka's enemy?
I'll cut you.
She never really accepted it in the first place.
Maybe she tried to accept it at some point, but failed spectacularly. Probably due to the fact that Madoka no longer exists being far more overwhelming than it seems.
She showed constant opposition to her decision since the very second Madoka said "I BECOME MEGUCA"
>What light at the end? It's all downhill from here. One day she's going to have to fight Madoka.
Ah, but she's okay with that since she'll still be with Madoka even if they're enemies.
It's very shonen rivalesque. Or like the Joker being in love with Batman, which is basically canon these days.
Then I do agree.
Homura might have had the idea for AI YO mode much further back, but she was afraid to try it until she knew that Madoka would always be with her.
You'd have to be pretty twisted to think that counts as a light at the--oh, right, Homura.
If we go by the theory that Homura planned the Rebellion during ep. 12 then it should be clear that Homulily is the one who was willing to destroy herself to protect Madoka. Homulily at that time may still not have known that the Incubators were a part of her own plan.
The fact that Akuma Homura so proudly shows off the Incubators as her slaves seems to show that it was her plan to ruin their ambition to capture Madoka and use their plan as a springboard to capture Madoka for herself.
>She never really accepted it in the first place.
Except for the part where she does.
Guys can anyone explain me the deal when you talk about Gretchen? I know about Faust I just want to understand the context that you use for this show.
>The fact that Akuma Homura so proudly shows off the Incubators as her slaves seems to show that it was her plan to ruin their ambition to capture Madoka and use their plan as a springboard to capture Madoka for herself.
How does that follow at all? She can be proud of it regardless of whether she planned it beforehand.
>I'll cut you.
Admit it, HomuNaka is the most interesting ship.
>Implying Homura doesn't want that fight to take place for the greater good
It sure doesn't. The theory isn't contingent upon the isolation field and Homulilly's kakera--this has been stated before, did you notice? It's entirely possible that Homura intended to go through with Rebellion of her own accord and that Kyubey's isolation field was just a hurdle.
>only lasted about a year
Well, that's still a worst case scenario for Homura. She has hope that it won't come to that. Though in a sequel, I expect Homura to go through a phase of, "I'll act like a villain and make Madoka oppose me, so that I won't hurt her by being close to her and corrupting her with my dirtyness," or something.
>Or like the Joker being in love with Batman
>arkham games are canon
>The fact that Akuma Homura so proudly shows off the Incubators as her slaves seems to show that it was her plan to ruin their ambition to capture Madoka and use their plan as a springboard to capture Madoka for herself.
No, it's the opposite. If she was using their plan all along, she would have taunted them with that fact.
somebody didn't read "Death of the Family".
I read that shit and it was shit and Joker isn't gay in it.
>Homura subconciously pulls in people of relevance/importance to her
>She pulls in Nakazawa-kun
>He's the only boy she pulls in
Put the pieces together. It's love. Natural love, not that gay shit. Real love.
Could your question be any less specific
>Homura planned this all along!
Homurafags have really reached another level of delusions.
Maybe not gay, but he's in love with Batman.
>Really, what the Joker’s trying to say to him is that it was better before. “You were thrilled by me. You won’t admit it, but you love that I came along to help you be stronger, to fuel your fantasy, and you do that for me, too. Together, we’re more of a family than any of these people.” In that way, the trip down memory lane was really meant as a kind of love letter to Batman from the Joker, even though those things were inverted.
>“You’re supposed to be sharp and strong, and that’s why I fell in love with you in the first place.”
but I'm sure you know more about the story than the writer.
Why does this exist? Why?
>He's the only boy she pulls in
She pulled in Kyousuke, too. Also Madoka's dad and brother.
Face it, she just ships him with Sensei.
Because Nakazawa-kun is best boy.
>I'm sure you know more about the story than the writer.
Correct. It doesn't take a genius know more about Batman than Scott Snyder.
Nakazawa a shit, can't even answer simple questions.
>"I've waited so long for this!"
>decided to do this minutes ago
He may not be the only boy but he's the only boy who is close to her physically.
who am I quoting
Whatever fuck that dude anyway
It's a theory, calm down.
>"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a notion without accepting it."
nonetheless, my point was that the Joker being in love with Batman is "basically" canon these days, which it is thanks in large part (but certainly not all) to that story.
When is he close to Homura? Isn't he always close to Kazuko? Even waking up on a couch next to her at the end?
>"I'm just a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it!"
Homura and Nakazawa-kun sit next to each other in class.
Is a stupid theory, why the fuck should consider the notion of such stupid theory?
Sorry, but he doesn't have a window seat.
The contestant for Homura's feelings is either Kyouko or Araragi.
>Can't refute any of the points the theory is based upon
>"Yeah, well, I think it's stupid!"
That's a red herring, anon. Your opinion is irrelevant to the validity of the assertion you're addressing.
In small words, grow up.
Homura switched seats around to deny her true feelings for Nakazawa-kun. Homura is probably shy around sexy boys.
I still don't believe it. But I do want to know what these anons claim non-amnesia Homu is supposed to know. Unless she's a Phd in the law of the cycles or something >>100635954 could just have easily happened. I think Ai yo was an accident just like Madoka's choice of words for her wish could have changed the outcome.
Only by coincidence in the original timeline(s). Once Homura became all-powerful and could pick her own seat, she moved back to Haruhi's position.
>Monogatari and Madoka take place within the same continuity
Shinbo, please, no. Please reconsider whatever you're thinking of doing.
Don't worry, it's not Araragi.
>Only by coincidence in the original timeline(s).
Coincidence doesn't exist; you're thinking of fate. The reason Homura moves seats once she's in control is because she doesn't want to be reminded of him. She wants to deny her true feelings because she's a silly girl.
wasn't her world created because obsession got the best of her? I mean she finally got what she wanted for so long but at what cost?
Yes, discussion only gets heated because there are anons that say this isn't a flaw of Homura and that the world is better off because of it.
The exact mechanics of AI YO are unexplained no matter what theory you follow.
But the thing is, Homura within the isolation had no way to develop powers like that on spur of the moment, which is why people following that doctrine call AI YO an asspull.
However, you can use Colorful as support for the theory that Homura really has been 'waiting for this moment'. Why else would there be foreshadowing of her as the devil? (Her shadow and the salamander earring)
From what flower-field theorists would have you believe, pre-Rebellion Homura was totally happy with Madoka's sacrifice, which completely contradicts what's happening during Colorful.
You would have us believe Chekhov's Gun does not go off? Shame on you.
No, anon. She got the best of her obsession.
Most witches succumb to their suffering, but Homura remembered that all of her pain and despair was for Madoka and became an Ubermensch.
It's difficult to figure out because Homura seems to be 100 percent certain that pulling on Madoka with her AI YO will tear the human part out.
If the writers even bother to explain this to us it'll probably be a flashback scene where bowmura observes the device and overhears Kyubey saying it somehow has a 99.9/100 percent chance of keeping the Law of Cycles from entering.
Are you really just basing this stupid theory on a fucking opening?
Actually I'm still a bit confused, among those that think Homura planned the Rebellion sometime when she was bowmura what exactly empowered her to do AI YO? Was it something the Incubators did or something she did that allowed Madokami to be split in half?
Kriemhild Gretchen is Madoka's witch form you know?
I think you're following a false lead, anon. The isolation field was broken, and Madokami was one with her human self.
More likely to me is that Homura is able to do it because of how labyrinths work. She was able to pull Madoka into her kakera, as symbolized by the pink thread going into the soul orb.
>It's difficult to figure out because Homura seems to be 100 percent certain that pulling on Madoka with her AI YO will tear the human part out.
Homura had control of the fission. She could have taken as much of Madokami as she wanted.
I'm pretty sure that all Homura did in the end was grab onto Madoka and not let go, since it didn't matter what she became or what sin she committed.
>Implying symbolism from the openings isn't relevant
You're objectively wrong there, mate. Also, how fucking biased can you get? Everything is in one ear and out the other with you. No, the theory is not based on a fucking opening, the opening simply corroborates preexisting evidence.
We have the episode 12 wings, which Urobuchi said will be explained by the movie. Did he lie, or does that comparison image noting that everything in Bowmura's wings is imagery in her labyrinth have significance?
There's also the point that flower-field Homura isn't actually discovering anything new, she's just revisiting ideals she forgot that she used to hold dear. There's the fact that Homura cryptically says, "No matter my sin, no matter what I become, I'm sure it'll be fine as long as I'm with you." There's the fact that Homura says, "I've been waiting... for this moment." "Finally... I caught you."
The question is why Homura feels so confident in being able to pull Madoka out in the first place? This isn't a desperate one-shot thing where it may or may not work, from her facial expressions this plan will work and she knows 100%.
It kinda goes against both the "Homura planned it all along" and the "Homura planned it when she left the Incubator field"
Where does she get the power to tear Madoka out?
>I'm pretty sure that all Homura did in the end was grab onto Madoka and not let go, since it didn't matter what she became or what sin she committed.
Just doing that would be insufficient, since Madoka would have simply taken her to Yuri Valhalla, albeit a little more awkwardly (and the carriage would have started rocking before they got back through the portal).
But Madokami only has power over witches, she wouldn't be able to do anything to Homura as she became.
The problem with using the openings' symbolism is that some of it is deliberately deceptive, such as in Connect. Rebellion referenced Luminous, but that in itself is odd, since Luminous's famous cheekrub never actually happened, either. Probably.
I think that it has to do with her witch-based power of using her kakera and being able to trap people within it. After all, her new world is just a universe-sized version of her Homulilly dream world. All of the symbolism in the movie and the reference to Clara from Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker suggests that Homura's new world is just another dream, but on a much larger scale.
>Where does she get the power to tear Madoka out?
What part of AI YO don't you understand?
Basically, Homura believed that she had the latent power to tear Madoka out and also control the entire universe, and she was right. Lucky guess. The only question is how far back she had this idea.
To be honest, my interpretation of Homura's expressions is that she sees Madoka, thinks about the implications of her seeing Madoka, and grins because she sees an opportunity to do something.
>Madoka: Let's go. From now on we'll always be together.
>Homura: Yes, I've been waiting for this moment.
To me it sounds like Homura is talking about them finally reuniting.
Also, symbolysm in OP can mean a lot of different things. Madoka falling into sand is a clear reference to Homura's timeloops. Homura is afraid of losing Madoka again, so she becomes devil. Lyrics of Colorful actually confirm this.
Homura is still part witch, since she retains her familiars. Madokami's powers should extend to Homura to some degree.
It will probably be a near-even match, though I doubt that Madoka can win without AI YO of her own (for Homura, of course).
But QB specifically says she's not a witch anymore. I don't think Madoka's power extends to her.
We already told you, the wings don't mean anything, it wasn't the idea of Urobuchi.
>There's also the point that flower-field Homura isn't actually discovering anything new
You haven't presented any evidence to support that.
>"No matter my sin, no matter what I become, I'm sure it'll be fine as long as I'm with you."
I don't know how that proof that she had it all planned from the beginning.
>"I've been waiting... for this moment." "Finally... I caught you."
That doesn't prove that she had intentions to rebel before the movie.
Wrong. Look at what Homura does. She's grabs Madoka before she purifies Homura's
Soul Gem. We don't see her doing anything else...so I don't think she is doing anything else. She's just grabbing onto Madoka and not letting go.
>>Basically, Homura believed that she had the latent power to tear Madoka out and also control the entire universe,
I don't think she did.
hey check it out madoka has chuunibyou
>It will probably be a near-even match, though I doubt that Madoka can win without AI YO of her own (for Homura, of course).
They better not fucking ruin shit by having Madoka go from loving everyone near equally to "I love Homura more than others even if she has never put her trust in me."
If that happens Madoka belongs in a cage...
>they mean nothing because they weren't urobuchi's idea
>Wrong. Look at what Homura does. She's grabs Madoka before she purifies Homura's
>Soul Gem. We don't see her doing anything else...so I don't think she is doing anything else. She's just grabbing onto Madoka and not letting go.
Homura's Soul Gem activated and switched to AI YO the moment she grabbed Madoka. Grabbing Madoka was only in order to get a good grip on her while Homura's new power did its trick on her. (Alternatively, Homura borrowed Madoka's power in order to make her Soul Gem run on love, but that's a major stretch.)
Urobuchi didn't come up with the wings, he left the art direction to Shinbo and SHAFT. Guess who came up with the idea of Homura being Madoka's opposite? Shinbo again.
>They better not fucking ruin shit by having Madoka go from loving everyone near equally to "I love Homura more than others even if she has never put her trust in me."
It doesn't have to be more than others, just in a different way. Anyway, I think that's what would actually defeat Homura. She wouldn't be able to resist a Madoka who actually, fully returned her feelings, as an equal.
She said Homura is her best friend. Which means she is above all rest.
But yes, I'd like to see Madoka grow some more before that.
Not quite. It turns black first - which suggests that Homura is about to become a witch. THEN it starts filling with AI YO.
Possible, perhaps even plausible. Unfortunately it isn't properly integrated into Rebellion.
Could she though?
The difference between Homura and a witch is that witches despair is born from curses while Homura's despair is love, baby.
It's probably a matter of "being able to affect" versus "being able to overcome". Madokami may be able to do the first but not the second, seeing as how she already lost against Akuma Homura before she even fully ascended.
Wings were added by Inucurry, Urobuchi came up with idea of Homura as a witch and actual details of rebellion. Shinbo just made a random comment during brainstorming. >>99136522
How many times do I have to bring up the same point before people connect the dots?
Homura's wings are made of the same shit that fuels her labyrinth. I'll let you guess what it is, and it's not hope.
Homura's labyrinth was a paradise, though, at least until Homura started to see through it and get upset. She wasn't fully a witch, so it was full of both despair and hope.
Also, don't forget Sayaka and Nagisa using witch powers and not caring about the emotions driving them.
So what? Candeloro have teacups in her barrier because she likes teá, nothing about the wings proof that Homura planned the whole thing.
So in conclusion, Homura is love.
>so it was full of both despair and hope.
No, she was literally on the cusp of becoming a witch. As in, the isolation field, as far as Kyubey knew, was the only thing keeping her transformation from completing (we know that she never would have become a traditional witch because her despair is born from love, not curses.)
Same reasoning as it has been for 3 years, anon. Magical girls don't exhibit bounded fields of dark energies with scrapbook collages of random images in them. Only witches have ever done that.
We see Homura's wings when she's riding on hope. They're bright and pink, remember? Therefore, the dark purple wings are something entirely different.
those thigh-highs are way too lewd.
I miss the pantyhose
Homura is a devil so she has to be lewd now.
By that you must mean, the beginning, the middle, and the end, right?
It's not like she'd show it to anyone but Madoka.
>Pantyhose in charge of not being lewd
It's a very strong emotion, empires have been destroyed because of it, in most mythologies it's one of the main reasons humans challenge the gods.
Plushies don't count.
HomuKyuu is still going strong.
In a nonexistent dimension, maybe.
You're making it lewd, Homura's love is pure.
This is what happens when Homura's love takes a form.
I'm not making it lewd, anon. That's not me. I didn't create those thighs.
We didn't make this character design lewd. Ume or whoever did.
Love is ZR?
But Madoka is the only one allowed to have delicious ZR in this show.
I have trouble believing Ume designs that outfit, it's too lewd.
Purest form of love
>too lewd for Ume-sensei
I don't think so.
There's no way Ume had a hand in that. If she was given the reins, Homura would be wearing something faaaaar more lustful. Probably cat ears.
See, Homura takes all the bashing for having a lewd outfit when Madoka's is the one that's ergonomically designed for lewd acts.
Akuma Homura's outfit is like ten times as lewd as Madokami's you heretic.
what is this supposed to be?
Homura's new outfit is cute, not lewd. She's a cute devil.
A boob window may be a little risque, but Homu's outfit looks like it could fall off any second. Just grab it and pull down gently and suddenly she's naked.
There's an image like that somewhere but I dont have it.
In one of her doujin, she said she allowed her lust to guide her in designing Homura's outfit. This one in particular.
But Homura never showed anyone her Akuma outfit except for an asexual plushie while Madoka made her Kami outfit to show off to Homura.
Because Madokami's outfit is tasteful.
Homura is seriously such a sweet little girl.
Think about it--why did Madoka spend 3 years in America?
Well, to answer that, I'll ask another question--what was originally Madoka's worst subject in school?
She'll wear it again in the next movie when she fights Sallaka or something.
Nah, it's a Final Form outfit for battling awakened Madokami. Probably with violet feather beam spam from the wings to match Madoka's arrow storm.
Science, English, Chemistry and Phys-Ed.
It caters to Homura's tastes, maybe.
>violet feather beam spam from the wings
I'm sorry, I don't think there's any circumstance under which I could take that seriously.
I can't drop the topic.Homu having planned it all on some level does seem necessary, but that's not what I have a problem with. What gets to me is that the same claim also paints Homu as a perfectly confident, unwavering and successful genius all throughout. I don't plan to describe devilHomu as all powerful or all seeing(whether it's before or after rebellion)when a deliciously cringe worthy deja vu conversation and the scene at the end shows us that she's still the same Homu.
Exactly! And in America she would have been immersed in English, and maybe sciences... and... fitness education...
...You were supposed to answer just 'English'.
This image is seriously the cutest thing ever.
What happened to that innocence? Someone should wipe Homura's memories so she can be cute again.
But it says right there Kyouko is the author.
Pretty sure the Manga end has that. Though it doesn't imply Madokami wiped her memory, she just reverts to that way once she's in Yuri Valhalla.
No, MegaHomu is dead forever.
I think accepting herself and reuniting with Madoka would accomplish the same thing. But we all know that's impossible now.
Madoka is bad in every subject or average at best, I only name you the subject she hates.
>I can't drop the topic.Homu having planned it all on some level does seem necessary, but that's not what I have a problem with. What gets to me is that the same claim also paints Homu as a perfectly confident, unwavering and successful genius all throughout.
Not necessarily. All that's required is that Homura had the idea to try and make her Soul Gem run on love when she hit her limit some time in the past, and perhaps also to try and pull Madoka back into the world. It's not something that she would have seriously decided upon trying until the flower field.
Otherwise you're stuck with a Homura who figured out how to become more powerful than God in literally less than five minutes.
She's called Moemura, you pleb.
>Otherwise you're stuck with a Homura who figured out how to become more powerful than God in literally less than five minutes.
Nothing wrong with that, protagonists are allowed to get powerups through sudden bursts of inspiration. Only maniacal supervillains have to scheme and plot for years to grab godlike power.
Homu's innocence was destroyed like a little girl in a dark alley.
You should know by now that being meguca is suffering.
Fuck off QB
>only rules over magical girls, not all life/humanity
It's a stupid theory that ignores all the evidence that show that Homura only came with the plan in her barrie because reasons, just ignore it.
QB did nothing wrong
MegaHomu is what 11s call her. Sounds better to me.
There is no world though.
Uh, what point are you trying to make?
How could anyone bully something that cute? Even if she was a cripple who couldn't even sprint for 5 seconds.
God dammit, I'd hoped we were beyond this.
Bullies gonna bully.
Bullies like to bully people weaker than them. Homu was a weak frail girl so she was a bullies ideal target.
Imagine if the series ended with a full reset. Madoka visiting Moemura every day in the hospital... How nice...
It fits the dick.
Get in the barrier already ya' whore.
The incubators as a whole acknowledge that they made a huge mistake in fraternizing with powers they didn't fully understand.
But all in the name of SCIENCE right?
I wouldn't mind an ending like that. It'd definitely show off this idea that you don't have to be a super human to better someones life.
Yes, they won't make the same mistake next time. Just gotta wait for Homura to be overthrown or get bored, and they'll go back to the drawing board wiser from this experience.
Funny you should mention that
Fucking hell, every time I see this picture the first thing I think when I see her red boots is menstrual blood that ran down her thigh...
Yes it is a fetish of mine.
Oh damn, I didn't notice that. Fuck you, Hanokage.
Homura > stupid girl with glasses and braids
And people say Homura doesn't think of herself as beyond salvation.
How can you say you love her when you deny her true self?
Stop it. When you put on a facade long enough, it becomes you. Moemura does not exist.
>The very final scene has Homura back to her adorable-looking self (as seen in Chapter 10), finally being reunited with Madoka. It is very likely to have taken place after the post-credits sequence of Episode 12 of the anime.
Ok so what am I missing here? Is the part where that black figure shoots Homura from a doujin or something.
Homura already know the method since it's already being test in her barrier.
All She have to do is just expanding her barrier to cover everthing.
In an alternate universe, Homura grew up to be a pro golfer.
So you don't love her and only lust for her body Alright then.
First frame is from manga end in heaven.
Others are from Rebellion manga vol. 2.
Homura is posting again.
>Homura is afraid of losing Madoka again
Then she should just let Madoka take her to Yuri Vahalla.
>implying I am like Homura
Are you insulting me?
Speaks for yourself. I love Homura. You're the one who can't seem to accept that she's changed.
>Not a rocker
Incubators are a threat. LoC managed to fool them once, but they will be better prepared next time.
I don't think Homura would want to be the center of attention.
And this connection is intentional right? Basically saying that the tv series manga's end was just a final dream before the incubators put her in the isolation chamber or something like that?
Well, that matter-of-fact response is not only textbook pragmatist ISTPer, but it's literally a line that Homura uses in the series.
So, you aren't making a strong case for yourself..
>Are you insulting me?
Don't hate yourself, Homura. You did good.
Who knows, I think it's just Hanokage fucking around.
Or they could have given up trying to mess with things out of their control like they verbally stated...
I doubt that played into her decision at all personally, she never implied that was a reason for becoming a devil. The Homura experiment was thwarted and there was nothing to indicate anyone was worried about them trying again.
I think it's Hanokage's version of Luminous and half-Luminous.
Either way, it really shits on those sad few who believe the bullshit that the tv series, manga ends are different from the movie end.
It's almost insulting how the writers state that and then give so much more evidence against that statement.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.
Some people need to learn how to separate what they get out of a work with the canon.
>That moment when Homura hears rustling in the bushes and turns around with a big smile
>"You thought it was some cute girl? Too bad, it was just Kyuubey!"
It seems like he's trying to insult people who subscribe to the alternate continuities take on the franchise.
They only said it after Homure became devil and they realized they don't know shit about how emotions work.
Yes, there's no mentions of that in the actual movie. But OP mentions protecting her miracle from collapsing as one of the reasons. Also, Homura felt the need to suppress Incubators, so they are not absolutely harmless.
>OP mentions protecting her miracle from collapsing as one of the reasons
When was this?
>Homura felt the need to suppress Incubators, so they are not absolutely harmless.
She had to subjugate them to her will because they were going to leave otherwise. And I'm sure she had personal reasons.
Feels good on my ears.
How can I express love for Homura through means that do not include image dumping?
No, man. Just, no.
>If I reach out my hand and grab yours
to keep the fleeting miracle that I reached from collapsing
>Look, you'll stay by my side forever...
Where were they running to, anyways? Didn't Homura cover whole universe?
By hating and isolating yourself.
Making a Homura exit?
Don't. Just fuck off.
If you want Homura's attention approach Madoka.
So if Homura ever got it together again actually, forget the "again" part, what new look would best represent her?
>No change. Straight hair, no glasses.
It seems to be her favorite look but it's something she took up only after trauma.
>Glasses and braids
Return to Moemura? Madoka might like it but I don't think Homura identifies much with that version of herself anymore. Maybe if she went back to being a regular human, although that's a dull end.
>Glasses with straight hair
A hybrid look, but an odd one. This one appeared in Rebellion, I believe, in some broken mirror flashbacks. Why bother with glasses when she doesn't need them, though? It's a hybrid look, but backwards, combining her early weakness with her later brokenness.
NISIO, STAY THE FUCK AWAY!
>No glasses and braids
I think this could work the best. Madoka was trying to braid Homura's hair in the meadow, and the fatal moment came when her hair unraveled, just as when Homura's braids came undone in episode 10 came when she first broke as a person.
Akuma Homura with braided hair could be at peace with Madokami and herself.
For Homufags, it's not about acquiring Homura's affection. The goal is to love her and have that love remain unrequited forever. It's self-fulfilling since she's 2D.
>Where were they running to, anyways? Didn't Homura cover whole universe?
That's why they couldn't get away. They were probably going to their home planet or galaxy or interdimensional outpost or whatever. The whole scene was more symbolic than literal, though; you can't run through interstellar space on furry white little feet.
Oh, it's in the full version, I see.
"to keep the fleeting miracle I reached from collapsing" could be talking about a lot of things, though, including her own new universe at the end of Rebellion. In fact that's a lot more likely, I think, given the lines "Even if I'm wrong, the path I believe in / will light up a new sight" and "So let's start again from scratch" just before that.
>Where were they running to, anyways?
Hell if I know, presumably they have their ways. Or they were just hoping she'd leave them alone.
Build her a shrine in the hallway, and everyday when you pass by it, offer your prayers to Homu god.
As long as she's smiling, it doesn't really matter. Let her rest and get rid of the wrinkles/bags though.
Eh, I don't think braids and no glasses would look good on her. I don't think she can ever go back to who she was with the braids, but she could look good and not-broken with her straight hair as long as she fixes her facial expression.
Or go full Hanokage and give her twintails.
>you can't run through interstellar space on furry white little feet.
Maybe YOU can't.
Glasses and braids, those are the fetishes of Madoka, so she has to do it.
Well, there's no reason to mess with Homura's hair. It's perfect as is.
However, I would love a timeskip to high school.
>fixes her facial expression
Long hair with no glasses looks nice on Homura. She'll probably retain the look she had at the end of Rebellion though.
I think an OVA about her descent to despair/madness from the end of the series to the beginning of Rebellion would be pretty interesting, in a depressing sort of way.
Only after they explain what the fuck happened with Homura's world.
That sounds like a great idea. It would be a nice peer into her life post Madoka's wish.
>Cataloging the exact moment when her world lost its color
>Animating Homura's expression when she realizes she has forgotten what Madoka's smile looks like
I don't think I need this.
Oh, this is exactly what I need. This is why I like this franchise.
I don't get it, Shaft. You have massive budget yet you still do fucking side mouth.
I personally hope for some Nagisa despair in S2.
It could be neat to see Homura get her own equivalent to the train scene. To see her stumbling around in the sandy wasteland as Kyuubey approaches from the shadows...
Or to see the eerie smile creep up her face as love-colored despair starts to fill her soul gem, if that's the theory you enjoy.
It would be interesting to see her question if Madoka exists like she said she did.
I don't really think budget has anything to do with it.
Yeah it does. They do side mouth so they don't have to animate chin movement.
Her chins moves a little anyway.
I can't believe I missed this.
Where did you guys read the spinoffs?
Man! This thread is still going?
I wonder if it's worth saving, I want to read discussion on Rebellion.
Incubators are not threat. Even Sayaka and Nagisa could deal with them. If Homura became her angel too, she could easily protect Madokami.
The only problem Homura wants to be with simple Madoka not with omniscient god.
Me. I gave them to him.
That's very kind of you.
Actually I'll be nice, this should have everything.
Is Google really that difficult to use?
Is this your first time seeing the fucking library? How new can you possibly be?
Why use Google when you guys are so willing to spoonfeed?
You mean one fucking faggot.
More Madoka Futanari doujinshi need to be translated, because often times they can be some of the best.
That first one especially feels like a rare sort
This issue didn't have a consensus nine years ago and it doesn't now. Why not focus your energy on pursuits that will actually pay off?
Nothing indecent about love
You're right. Would you like for me to teach you how to tie your shoes?
I could swear this was that one artist who wrote about Mami raping Madoka, Madoka gets a bit mind-broken and does the same to Homura before losing it halfway in and breaks down, then Mami shoots Madoka from the window for betraying her.
Then in the next loop Homura gets with Mami in order to prevent that from happening again which turns into a whole series of some sort.
Wasn't that Ayanero? Doesn't look like his artstyle.
Of course I only see this post right after I get done fapping.
Horsetail to shows her own resolution.
>can't recognize Ayanero Taicho
ah, anon is hopeless~
First one isn't really futanari. Madoka is a boy because Devil wished she couldn't become magical girl.
I think a low tie is better for Homu as shown here, while a high tie works for Madoka, like when she's in her jammies with Junko.
It feels like the same guy due to the similarities in that scent fetish he had going on during the armpit smelling chapter. Also the artstyle felt vaguely close, but of course it wasn't him as it turns out
There's just something in the faces that reminds me of this style.
That picture is out of character.
Why, because Homura's happy? She can be happy sometimes.
I can think of plenty of reasons why Homura would be beaming like that.
It's most likely after glow.
She's touching her hair and posing to look cute.
She touches her hair all the time. And she's naturally cute.
Do you think Homura likes her hair? I like her hair.
Who wouldn't like her hair? Everyone likes her hair.
Hopefully, whenever (if, at this point) they get around to doing the 100 Q&A interview with Homura, I hope they ask why she does the hair flip. I think I already know why though.
So why is it?
Homura hates everything about herself.
She only tries to look cool because Madoka likes it and respects cool people.
I assumed the questions would be the same for each girl? They were pretty generic for Madoka.
Either way I really hope they haven't forgotten about their promise to do them for everyone. I want to hear Sayaka's so bad.
Her hair is indeed very nice. She doesn't care though.
To look cool for Madoka would be my guess. But she does it when Madoka isn't around sometimes too, so that may not be an entirely accurate reason.
You know, "Pride" and "Vanity" are two of Homura's Clara Dolls, too. In fact, "Pride" is the first one. As befits a future Devil.
I don't like her hair.
That's a strong word.
Pfff, haven't seen this before.
I have a hard time believing she doesn't at least take some small amount of pride in her appearance. I mean, she's had people telling her she's beautiful for dozens of timeloops.
>She only tries to look cool because Madoka likes it and respects cool people.
Doesn't that refer to Mami and of course Sayaka too since she just try to be show off like Mami.
I know my sentiment well.
Your sentiment is wrong.
she's so prideful and vain she hates herself for not living up to her own expectations? She was targeted by witches before coming a magical girl herself even.
Although that theory doesnt make much sense if you think too hard about it.
Yeah. Mami was a showoff because she wanted friends super bad.
It worked on Madoka flawlessly... before the mogumogu.
Sayaka a baka that makes a big show of everything.
It would be nice for her to express a little pride in herself, it will never happen though.
Goodnight, good thread guys.
Homura was full of pride after her success in Rebellion. Then she became ashamed of it, too. Which is a good thing because it shows that she still has a moral compass.
>it will never happen though
I always enjoyed the theory of the flick being her nervous tick/reaction to never quite getting used to having her hair down, since she had it in braids for so long.
She's just rubbing her hands.
>Then she became ashamed of it
When? Even at the very end, she's dancing an giggling.
She has mixed feelings. Hence the baggy eyes, and her pushing the other girls away.
she's just tired.
Up all night watching madoka sleep and torturing kyubey really hurts a girl's image
When does she express shame in her newfound pride?
Homura isn't ashamed of her pride. She's ashamed of the same act that she is also proud of, namely tearing Madoka apart by force.
>She's ashamed of the same act that she is also proud of
That's not possible.
This. There is a system of entropy taking place whereby a perfect ending cannot be achieved. No matter how the characters struggle, there is always some loss of happiness in the system, whether it involves witches, wraiths, goddess Madoka, or demon Homura - this we have seen. Since Homura cannot accept this, she follows the path of the Incubators and takes what she wants even if it inconveniences the other Magical Girls.
There's actually no evidence that other magical girls or any humans have been inconvenienced at all, besides Madoka who is the focus of Homura's attention. Also Kyubey, but that's mainly spite.
If there is a major downside to Homura's actions beyond the emotional damage to herself and Madoka, it's probably something like someone getting that much power drains the lifetime of the universe. By a *lot*. Madokami already reduced the Incubators' energy collection efficiency, and Homura is probably going to reduce it more. Or just cut them off completely.
In his own delusion that will never be canon
Oh no...now the universe will end in 400 trillion years!
No, unless its ending in Madoka's lifetime that's not a genuine consequence for what Homura did. Something that would hurt Madoka needs to happen, like discovering Magical Girls simply get their individuality absorbed by Madokami instead of getting an afterlife.
>Something that would hurt Madoka needs to happen, like discovering Magical Girls simply get their individuality absorbed by Madokami instead of getting an afterlife.
That's a nonsensical consequence, since all the other magical girls are still part of the Law of Cycles. And why should they get a special afterlife, anyway? Every other human doesn't. I don't think that being part of the Law of Cycles is really an "afterlife" in a traditional sense. If you retain your individuality, it's probably only so long as you need to recover from your grief, before you're ready to "move on". Also, it's outside of linear time.
>That's a nonsensical consequence, since all the other magical girls are still part of the Law of Cycles.
I'd say Madoka would see a huge difference to girls enjoying an afterlife with their individuality intact and just being absorbed by a emotionless concept.
>And why should they get a special afterlife, anyway? Every other human doesn't.
We don't know what afterlife regular humans get in this universe, though the fact that souls exist and have a karmic energy seems to imply something happens after death.
>I don't think that being part of the Law of Cycles is really an "afterlife" in a traditional sense. If you retain your individuality, it's probably only so long as you need to recover from your grief, before you're ready to "move on".
Sayaka and Nagisa seem to have gotten over their grief considering they had perfect control of their witches. Nagisa isn't even one of Madoka's original friends so you can't even argue that Madokami just keeps them around for nostalgia reasons.