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[Anime-Koi] Buddy Complex - 03 [h264-720p][8C759420].mkv
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RIP comrade Mikhailov
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Finally.
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Aoba, say connect with Dio.
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>>100622237
I wish I had the template for this.
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More Aoba doing retarded things this episode. Mecha action was fun though. Is everyone watching the episode or are there not many watching this?
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They really focus on the mecha fights in these first 3 episodes, and not much character development has been done so far.
Not sure if I'm a fan of that.
So far Dio is just another "he hates me but has to work with me" character with nothing specific about him at all.
At least the commander seems like a cool guy, I like how unusually reasonably for anime he treated the whole time travel nonsense.
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>>100623448
The mecha fights have been great, though.

This director is really good at action.
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How did Anime-Koi beat HS this week?
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>>100623211
>Is everyone watching the episode or are there not many watching this?
This show seems to have much less following on /a/ than Valvrave had, I'm not sure if it's the character designs, lack of surprises like those in first 2 episodes of Valvrave, or just /a/ being pissed at Sunrise after VVV ending.
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>>100623656
Because HS is a day and a half late? They beat them last week too.
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>>100623706
I liked Valvrave for the most part, but it's time to move on already. This isn't Valvrave and it was never going to be.
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>>100623573
Agreed, forgot to mention that in my post.

I love how they are having a hard time at the start of the fight, and then after coupling roles reverse, feels very satisfying.
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>>100623706
No vampires nor genicides in first episode
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>>100623821
I still want a proper ending to VVV
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>>100623821
Agreed. BC is good on its own merits and has something different to add even if it is more old school.
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>>100623821
That didn't stop plenty of people from deciding that this show was going to be VVV (with extra homolust), and dropping it based on that before the show ever aired.
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>>100623706

That would be pretty stupid, Buddy Complex is being done by Studio 8 whereas Valvrave was done by "Nerima Studio". If anything Buddy Complex has more stylistic similarities with Horizon, also animated by Studio 8. Same composer too.
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I don't understand how the hell the coupling system magically powers up the mechs. I mean I understand how it affects the pilots but they just kind of glazed over how it was affecting the mechs. The mechs obviously already have that energy source within to begin with so I don't understand why they just can't use it from the beginning without coupling. Unless they're going into bullshit explanations of mind powers creating energy from nothing or some shit.
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>>100624110
Have you never seen a mecha anime before?
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>>100623706
I like this a lot better than Valvrave so far quality wise.
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So Sugita survived?
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This episode had everything I wanted it to have.
They made the "first meeting" really nice.
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>>100624110
Newtype bullshit
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>>100624482
Information about eventual death of pilot would be said faster than damage report
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>>100624482
You didn't expect him to die this early did you? We all know he will but wait till about episode 10.
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Why commander said: "Hina, I remember"?
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>>100624110
Maybe you need coupling to have enough brain power to operate upgraded mecha and it's a waste of energy to switch form otherwise?
No matter how you rationalize it though it's just mecha magic.
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>>100624855
If they are going by the book, probably because she's some kind of princess or other type of important person.
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>>100624855
Might have simply remembered Aoba yelling her name multiple times when he first showed up.
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>>100624855
Maybe he means he remembers Aoba saying she was the one who brought him there.
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Downloadan.
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>>100624941
Also, Yumihara Hina doesn't sound like a Zogilian Name to me. She's probably Japanese and for some reason fights for the commies who rose to power because capitalism and limited ressources, the irony
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>>100624110

It's like pacific rim
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>Hina Ryazan
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>>100625253

Pacific Rim rift-tech is just a US version of what was going on in Macross Plus, with the mind controlling all the parts of a machine.

There is really no good explanation offered for the Buddy system, other than an excuse for bishounen pairings.
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>>100625386

They're hardly bishounens.
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>>100625474
Aoba is questionable, but Dio is definitely a bishounen even if the artstyle is kind of ugly.
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Anime-Koi, how can you fuck this up? ...
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>>100626134

What was wrong
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>>100626134 ...
when you already had it correct prior to this?
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>>100626134
The subs for this episode in general were really poor in quality.
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>>100626191
It's Elvira not Elvida
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>>100626198
I mean, we already know she's called Elvira Hill since episode 2.
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Alright, this part really pissed me off for some reason. How did he not see that coming? It couldn't have been more obvious. So much for being their ace pilot.

Other than that, I'm liking this show so far. It's somewhat generic, but the fight scenes are pretty well done. The first three episodes were good enough, so I'll probably stick with this for the rest of the season.
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>>100624060
>That would be pretty stupid, Buddy Complex is being done by Studio 8 whereas Valvrave was done by "Nerima Studio". If anything Buddy Complex has more stylistic similarities with Horizon, also animated by Studio 8. Same composer too.

needs more girl pilots
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>>100626198

It was probably a typo.
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>>100626407
What exactly?
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>>100626407
The kid is like what, 12?
He may be good at operating a Valiancer but that doesn't mean he has the strategical and tactical knowledge. He has his superiors for that.
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>>100626459

Pretty much everything they've done is all about cute girls. I think I read that they wanted to try something they haven't done before.
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>>100626407
He had like how many people after him?
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>>100626134
How many weeks untill we get new candidate to Hadena tier?
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>>100624482
He wont die until he proposes to the scientist chick.
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>Only release is 500 mb
>shitty mobile connection
This is divine punnishment isn't it?
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>>100623448
I actually don't mind this at all. I was extremely disappointed with Valvrave because the mechs were exceptional but there was 0 fighting. Majestic prince had great fights but they were few and far between. I'm happy to get a mecha series with a decent amount of focus on the fighting.
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>>100627068
>Majestic Prince
Season 2 pls ;-;
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>sleep on shoulder

Flag achieved
Well, if he was a girl
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>>100623448
>They really focus on the mecha fights in these first 3 episodes, and not much character development has been done so far.
More than good enough for me.
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>>100626671

Well I have no complaints of any of the technical aspects of the anime. Both the 2D and 3D are very well done and I haven't noticed any derpy shots yet.

It's apparently a new director too, he only worked as assistant director on both Horizon series.
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The commander has such big loving doe eyes. He's definitely going to die.
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>>100627068
I don't mind focus on fighting, but I think it would have been better to first make me care about the characters and then have them risk their lives fighting for 3/4th of the episode.
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>>100627341
I quite like him.

So yeah, he's going to die.
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>>100627363
That was the mistake of Valvrave, anon. The world is at war, I think the world in the anime should reflect that.
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>>100627341
>>100627410

He feels like a typically laid back high level manager that only gets off his ass when something needs doing.
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>>100627151
>HanaKana
>winning
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>>100627488
Well she's not a childhood friend this time around, so at least there's a slightly bigger chance right?
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What must I do to have a non autistic MC?
>But muh Hina
>Do I really have to fight?
>Let me get out of this cockpit in midair
>Classicly doesn't understand there might be consequences for his actions
>Lacks common sense
>Still fears death


Where did evolution go wrong?It bothers me when there's always somone on the cast that isn't dumb. In this case,Dio. I can't tell if the average Japanese male is retarded or anime is intentionally made with dense characters in mind.
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>>100627486
I got that vibe at first, but he really does seem to be actively directing his crew.
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>>100625547
Considering that bishonen means beautiful youth, I would say that Aoba is a bishonen while Dio is questionable.

At least for me.
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>>100627467
But I thought it was logical to sing songs in the middle of the war.
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>>100625386

It's the power of friendship and teamwork
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>>100627535

She's a wallflower. The only ones with a chance right now are Hina and Dio.
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>>100626590
>Dio
>12
Yeah, yeah, mecha and all that, but he should be at least around Aoba's age judging from looks.
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>>100627539
As long as Aoba doesn't go full "MUH HINA" (which I highly doubt), then I'm fine with him opening cockpits and shit.
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>>100627644
They are both 16.
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>>100627555
Dio looks far girlier to me, which would be my criteria for a bishounen.
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Isn't this the plot of 0079
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>>100627363
I acutely like how they do it better.
I assume that they will add character development later, but right now they are introducing the plot, plot mechanics and character.
Next episode and the episode after it should be a nice balance of character development and fighting.
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>>100627704
I don't know what 79 you watched, but mine came with less time travel.
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>>100627704
No, not really.
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>>100627704
You what?
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There's so many in Shingeki no Kyojin.
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>>100627760

I mean the bad guys attack the base where the secret new prototype is being developed, and then they escape on a ship while being pursued for a few episodes
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>>100627704

Its a bit of 0079, 0083, Wing, SEED, and super robot combination elements with time travel hijinx
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>>100627660
Hina was hurt. Wasn't he supposed to check on her? I don't think Aoba is bad at all. Of course he is focused about Hina, he's not going to fully care abour this war until he understands more or someone dies. The Cygnus is using him as a tool and he knows it. He got in the damn robot when told, that counts for a lot with recent mecha MCs.
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>>100627539
>was time warped into the future.
>underage civilian with no prior knowledge of the situation.
>meets the only person from his previous life.
Yeah, no. Not everyone qualifies to be an emotionless and logical Spock-type especially in this case.
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>>100622237

CONNECTIVE DIO
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>>100627539
16 year old boy sent to the future and the only person he knows turns out to be the pilot of the mecha that he damaged and could explode any second as far as he knows.

Anon, you're the autistic guy here, not Aoba.
He tried to save the only fucking person he knows, or at least he thinks he knows.
How the fuck would you behave as a 16 yo if you where attacked by a huge mecha, saved by a huge macha and girl, traveled to the future, fought inside a huge mecha for the first time, got arrested by some future military, get sent to the battle field again, fight against enemies and fine the girl which saved you at the start and sent you to the future, all that in one fucking day?
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I didn't think it was possible but this fucking cunt is even worse than Shoko.
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>>100627873
There's a million different shows like that.
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>>100627954

WAIT DID YOU JUST SAY DIO
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>>100626590
You shouldn't base ages on looks especially in Sunrise mech shows.
>>100627873
Sounds like the start of many mech series
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>>100627539
He's a time displaced traveler. He just saw the girl who rescued and sent him there from the future and is confused as fuck. He has never actually fought to the death and is almost completely new to this whole piloting I thing. I don't know, you tell me.
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>>100627539
He's not the brightest, but it still could have been way worse.

At that point he still didn't know that she came from even farther into the future than he is right now, so it was natural for him that there was some kind of misunderstanding.
And how else could he show her that it's him and communicate with her if not by opening his cockpit?
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>>100627941

Exactly. He might make stupid decisions, but anyone would in that situation.

Furthermore, what the hell would happen if Hina died? Do YOU know how time travel works? Would you really just assume that letting her die would work out A-OK without destroying the universe by violating the laws of causality or something?
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>>100628029
>Judau is 14
I still don't believe it.
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>All this fighting over future coal.
Why can't we just share?
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>>100627467

I agree. I also really liked how the Zogilla forces conducted themselves in episode 2. It's nice to see military forces having some semblance of discipline.
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If they just need Aoba for the buddy connect, why don't they just have someone sit on Aoba to pilot the thing instead of expecting Aoba to stop being a confused-as-fuck 16 year old time traveler
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>>100628016
Anon, don't delude yourself. Nobody can be as bad as Shoko. This is past Hina that was likely captured and brainwashed and we know she comes through and is competent. Shoko had brain problems since day 1.
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>>100628080
This. Hina HAS to be alive long enough to go back in time otherwise you fuck up the Universe or some shit.
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>>100628086

When that future coal has enough energy packed into it to make 18 meter tall robots fly at mach 5 speeds and turn on a dime? Fuck no we're going to conquer America with it!
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>>100628026

YES, IT'S ME WATASE AOBA

IS HINA AROUND HERE?
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>>100628086
Kira please go.
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>>100628016
She's just fighting for the glory of Zogilia, and that filthy enemy was trying to capture her, what do you expect? Luckily her comrades were there to save her.
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I wonder if she starts missing hairclip
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>>100628016
Is it safe to assume that you're too stupid to understand that the Hina in the latest episode isn't the same Hina in the first episode?

The Hina who sent Aoba to the future is that Hina just later in the timeline. She doesn't know who the fuck Aoba is. For all she knows, he is a enemy who wants to take her as a war prisoner or just rape here VVV style.
After all, in that screenshot she looks like the slut from VVV.
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>>100628016
No this is Hina before she falls in love with Aoba, we know she will get better eventually, Shoko on the other hand never improved.
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>>100628123
Yeah, I'm liking the atmosphere that's going on. Consequences and serious consideration, character relationships come later.
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This has a lot more 2D mechs than I was expecting. Or maybe I'm just bad at being able to tell.
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>>100628086
It's all future Tibet's fault.
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>>100628310
Good character development happens during consequences. How is Aoba going to give a shit about people he just met that just send him to fight/couple with some grumpy blond guy? I like that this shows at least tries to show the realities of war. As real as an anime can anyway.
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How is /m/ dealing with this? Have they had enough and got off the ride?
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>>100628444
/m/ doesn't complain about this show aside from the ugly mechs.
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>>100628141
Because Aoba would be connected with Dio and not the other pilot, which would pretty much make the connection useless for one side.

Didn't you notice how much better Aoba flies than even the fucking veterans?
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>>100628154
>This is past Hina that was likely captured and brainwashed and we know she comes through and is competent.

No, this was Hina before she went back into the past. She wasn't brainwashed in like 1 day. And where would the original Hina be, then?
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>>100628433
>I like that this shows at least tries to show the realities of war.
Having seen Dougram and Votoms, I'd incline myself to disagreee.
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>>100628282

You have it backwards. Aoba will give her the hairclip that came from the future. She loses it when she goes back to retrieve him later.
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>>100628444

They don't mind it.
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>>100628505
>And where would the original Hina be, then?

In a cryogenic chamber waiting to be woken up by her husbando.
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>>100628282
That makes me wonder. How old is futurepast (or is it pastfuture?) Hina? If she's years younger than 16, than she still has some time left, but if she's already 15 or 16, then it won't take long until she has to go back.

We could gauge how long the timespan is over which the plot stretches.
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>>100628505
That's not what I said at all. The Hina that came to the past had already met Aoba. This Hina has not met him but they'll understand each other soon enough. If she was captured and brainwashed by Zogilia, it was before Aoba. Not that hard to get really.
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Who's the guy with Dio?
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>>100628536
>Hina gives Aoba hairclip in the past
>Aoba gives Hina hairclip in the future
>Hina goes to the past to give Aoba the hairclip

But then...where did the hairclip come from in the first place?
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>>100623919
All this innuendo is quite lewd.
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>>100628536
>Aoba will give her the hairclip that came from the future.

The hairclip was never created, it only exists in the time loop.
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>>100628709
It's like Terminator.
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>>100628703
Some mobile game guy? Or maybe it's (or well was) Marcus?
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>>100628709
>Hina sents Aoba to the future
>Aoba meets Hina and she goes to the past because of the meeting
>Hina sends Aoba to the future so that Aoba can send Hina to the past
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>>100628703

Probably Marcus.
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>>100624110
The power of homosexuality, anon.
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>>100628838
Not sure if 4chan fucked your image over or...
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>>100628734
>>100628709

Guys guys
It's time travel, it doesn't matter
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>>100628536
Since it goes through infinite loops shouldn't it decompose?
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>>100628703
Probably not from game so Marcus
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Not gonna lie, it's pretty shit. I should stop watching every Sunrise show just because it's Sunrise.
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>>100628916
Not gonna lie, your taste is shit.
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>>100627636
That fucking cliched romance over and over again.
I'm tired of fujoshit and HeroxMain Heroine romance. It's not interesting anymore.
Why not bring to light that background character, which is 100% waifu material, by a great romance? And if it happens by a twist, it would be much better.
Delicious tears everywhere!!
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>>100629010
They tried that with 00. It didn't end as expected.
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>>100628916
It's not shit, but painfully bland. Right now I'm only watching for the OST.
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>>100629051
I didn't hate Anew and Lockon Mk II's relationship.
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>>100629158
Anything that is not 10/10 masterpiece is shit.
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>>100628016
MIKONO-SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN
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>>100629191
That was mainly towards Feldt and Setsuna that never got anywhere.
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>>100629191
Maybe he meant Feldt instead of Marina. Feldt was boring as hell.
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>>100629010
>Why not bring to light that background character, which is 100% waifu material, by a great romance?

Because if you did that she would become the main heroine and the show would, by your definition, become uninteresting.
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>>100629256
Anybody who didn't think Setsuna wasn't going to end up with Gundam was delusional.
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>>100629010
A good romance needs to have some kind of actual buildup to it. Not just picking some random qt from the side cast and trying to pass it off as a groundbreaking development.
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>>100629199
This is why Milky Holmes and Valvrave are the only good animes.
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>>100629357
Anon pls
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Sugita saving the day
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>>100629293

Well, what if Hina was still the main heroine, meaning the female cast member that sees the most screen time and is most connected to the plot? But then there's a random flirting scene between the other two.

Yeah I can't say that sounds like a good idea.
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>17:36
>Two Steps From Hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRLdhFVzqt4#t=42s

Seriously? Really tells how generic this shit is. I want to like it, action is decent (Actually, movement and audio in this series is pretty damn good), but everything else sucks.
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>>100629529
I'm afraid of when he gets offered pineapple salad by the bridge bunnies
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>>100623706
Nobuna the Fool is the VVV of the season, they are the type of show that get popular because of how bad but entertaining they are.
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>>100628080
>Furthermore, what the hell would happen if Hina died? Do YOU know how time travel works? Would you really just assume that letting her die would work out A-OK without destroying the universe by violating the laws of causality or something?

this is why I hate time travelling shennigans.
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>>100629262
aaaaand Marina wasn't??
The only 00 girls that weren't boring were Sumeragi, Soma, Nena and Tieria
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Honestly, I thought that was a pretty great episode, will be sticking with it.
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>>100629587
Because that wouldn't really work well.
As >>100629302 said, a good romance needs buildup and a buildup requires screen time.
So just casually dropping a random flirting scene wouldn't do anything besides adding a random and out of place flirting scene.
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>>100629638

I don't see why you couldn't enjoy it just for the action. Every episode so far has had plenty too.
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>>100629587
What's wrong with Hina ending up with Aoba? At the moment, she seemed happy Bizon came to retrieve her so a lot will happen to get her on the other side of the war and falling for a different guy. There will be development, at least it's certainly looking that way.
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>>100629638
There are only bare superficial similarities between the songs.

Inspired by, maybe.
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>>100629668
I can handle a lot of stupid shit, but shooting arrows through air ventilation on the top to kill the people inside? Really?
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>>100629674
The only good one there is Soma. Christina is great too, but she died.
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>>100629674
Marina was better than Feldt and she was exciting because she was a cougar.
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>>100629674
Don't forget Exia.
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>>100629638
>uses a good song at a nice moment
>bad

I don't understand.
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>>100629718

It has way more action than I ever thought it would be, yeah. And quite a lot of 2D mech fights, which is nice.
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>>100629010
Ever watch Zegapain?
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>>100629751

I was playing devil's advocate, I think Hina should pair together with Aoba. And given how much she was blushing in the first episode, there's at least some foreshadowing it.
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PASSOOOOOO!!!!!
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>>100629668
>>100629775
But it was just "who designed this shit" kind of stupid, not over the top awesome like freeing yourself and killing 4 soldiers with a screw from a chair and glass shards.
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>>100629587
Future Hina threw herself into a fucking time paradox, quite possibly killing herself, to save Aoba

Why would you have anything against her getting some rewards or at least a good reason to go so far for this guy? And it looks like Aoba is going to work his ass off to get her to love him that much as well
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>>100629949
It's such an insanely stupid design though.
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>>100629775
Skywalker shoot a laser trough a ventilation and destroyed the fucking Death Star.


But Za FOOOOOL is quite retarded. /a/ says it's so bad that it's good, but it's actually so bad that it hurts to watch. Gave it that 3 ep chance, but can't handle more.
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>>100629949
Probably also that as promised Nobunaga is a "fool" idiot while L-elf had his antics but was nonetheless intelligent. There's less tolerance for stupidity I guess.
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>>100626407
If I'm not wrong there were 3 enemies confirmed attacking and those were handled by the side characters, their captain was alone so dio charged against him but he didn't expect 2 mechas hidden (the one who died and hina) because they weren't with the other group in the previous attack when they fell back, I can't blame him.
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>>100630037
>Skywalker shoot a laser trough a ventilation and destroyed the fucking Death Star.
That's dumb too, but at least he had to use Jedi magic and insane piloting to do it.
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>>100630084
All sci-fi is dumb. News at 11.
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>>100630084
And they had to steal schematics to get it, and the vent actually had some sort of protection, and it was a guided torpedo.
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>>100630069
This. Also, Alfried is a top dog, fighting him is no cake, of course he was focused on defeating him. There's probably other deeper reasons that Dio hates Alfried, he was really focused on him and the other 2 were hidding, undetected on radar or anything.
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>>100630153
No, not really.
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>>100629668
nobunaga is just bad. the only saving grace was jeanne and her oppai but they took even half of that away
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>>100629866
The fights so far are pretty fantastic and very well animated. The kill count is low and really made to count when it happens, and the pilots are all competent and piloting in a reasonable manner instead of doing stupid shit that gets them killed. And the direction is exceptional. The result is some pretty exciting stuff. I'm getting way more pumped for these fights than say VVV's mech fights, which were so focused on the gimmicks of the mecha.
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>>100630200
Yes, really. Even "hard" sci-fi has its fair share of bullshit science.
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>>100624476
agreed. after what they did to valvrave in season 2 though, it's hard for anything to be worse. nobunaga might be somehow, but i don't think bc will
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>>100630249
I'm not complaining about bullshit science. I'm complaining about retarded shit in the plot.
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>>100630163
And the mechs in NtF were fucking cheap-ass grunt units built with medieval technology and magic. Having to make in the armor so you can see makes more sense than
>hurr magic pastfuture camera/LCDs
on fucking everything.
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>>100630249
Wait, people watch "sci-fi" and expect realism from it?
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I hope this show gets interesting. Right now it's pretty boring.
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>>100630301

*view ports
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>>100630204
>Jeanne
That's another thing. Do people really think she's a dude? She doesn't even remotely pass as one.
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>>100630301
nobunaga has flying horses, shitty magic all over the place, some fucking super developed spaceships and it would be unrealistic for them to have lcd screens? nigger please
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>>100630209

I haven't seen VV, but I'm glad I picked BC up. Hopefully it can be a little more popular as it goes on.
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>>100630306
Well, I expect some realism. I don't really need too much, but I like it to be grounded in some science theories we have, even if they butcher the theories so much that they are almost unrecognizable.

But then again, I like good plot and romance in my porn and yaoi as well, so I'm not sure if my opinion is relevant.
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>>100630378
The flying horse motorcycle things, which fly, have air intakes, and still sound like horses, weird me the fuck out way more than anything else in that show.
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>>100629587
>Well, what if Hina was still the main heroine, meaning the female cast member that sees the most screen time and is most connected to the plot? But then there's a random flirting scene between the other two.

Yeah, that's the idea!
Just like SEED!
You have Cagalli (the main heroine) on one hand but on the other you have Kira & Fllay... No! It's Kira & Athrun right?... No no no Sorry! It's Kira & Lacus!! Of course!
Wait.... FUCK THIS! in the end Lacus is the main heroine and all the romance thing is SHIIIITT
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>>100630378

> flying horses

Alien setting detail.

>magic all over the place

Where? The only evidence of blatant "magic" that we've seen on the eastern planet is those mecha.

> it would be unrealistic for them to have lcd screens

They clearly have them. The fact that they're only on the giant mecha on the eastern planet suggests that they're fucking expensive or hard to make, which reinforces how special the big ones are.
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>>100630378
There really isn't magic all over the place, so far it seems to be mostly contained to the regalia. Also don't most of the mechs come from the Western Star? It's completely possible they're holding back the good stuff in case of future conflict between their worlds.

This is all wildly off topic in any case.
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>>100630529
did you even watch the last episode with the regalia faggot? you're like that mjp shitposter in the vvv threads. just leave so we can talk about the anime the thread is about

no one cares about nobunaga. it's shit
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>>100630425
So you don't like plotholes?
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The Mechs aren't CG, this is wonderful
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>>100629939
I did like that the commander actually showed concern for his subordinates.
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>>100630637
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>>100630653
Are the plotholes related to the holes in my porn or sci-fi?

I certainly like the plot holes in my porn, but I don't like plotholes in sci-fi.
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>>100630660

It's half-n-half, but they're both done really well.
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>>100630660
In some shots they still are.
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>>100630688
Both sides did. Even though the Zogilian guy was clearly a grunt that we knew was going to get killed from the second he showed up onscreen without being Hina or having his face shown, they at least had the decency to give him a name and have his commander lament his death. Like how the only one of their team to buy it in ep 2 >>100630209 got a pretty gruesome death scene that all of his allies got enraged about.
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>>100629751
I feel bad for Bizon now. He really seems to care about her, and He died because of her. Ungrateful bitch!
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>>100630766
They're really good at making the CG just be far distance or lightning fast quick cuts that you can't really notice.

The director doesn't have any major credits to his name but he's really fucking good at action thus far.
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>>100630945
Yeah, she had no qualms trying to kill him and fight him, didn't even want to reason with him and just flat out ignored his communication on the screen. I think the guy just wanted to understand why she'd betray them, maybe if she explained he'd calm down? He seems calm and rational now so perhaps.
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Every episode feels 5 minutes long, I'm enjoying this too much because I only have that feeling with my favorite shows.
I love the battles and the plot have me intrigued, I also like how Aoba and Dio discuss for everything being so tsun, sugita being the biggest bro, the captain being so carefree is hilarious, and Hanakana a cute.
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>>100628160
Not quite.
The purpose of Hina bringing Aoba to the future to be a replacement butt buddy for Dio is presumably to prevent the Chinese empire from defeating the Amerifats that leads to some sort of BAD THING. But here's the paradox, if she succeeds, then the impetus for her intervention is removed and she will not travel back in time.

There are two theories to address this:
One says that there is only one universe in one timeline. In this case, the actions outlined by the story thus far are impossible due to the paradox and can not happen.

Another says that there infinite parallel universes that exist within infinite branching timelines. Thus the Hina that traveled to the past to pick up Aoba is not from the same timeline as the Hina that Aoba is now encountering nor will she ever be.

Since the first theory means the premise for this show is a paradox, we must assume the second theory is in effect.

Q.E.D. -> Kill the Chinese slut and nothing of value will be lost.
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>>100630945
>1984+30
>pretending to hate ntr
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>>100631178
It's not the NTR for me, it's that Bizon dies without knowing anything and I don't think ignorance was bliss for him.
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>>100631176
I'd say there's a decent chance of #1 but when MOTHERFUCKING TIME TRAVEL gets developed (seeing as it is a technology that both sides apparently come up with rather than some freak incident or phenomena) they come up with a reason for the initial arrival of Aoba that negates the paradox.
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>>100631446
I just hope the time traveling gets explained one way or another. No treatment like the runes in VVV which was inconsistent and not well established by the end of the series.
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So apparently Hina is the disciple of some pilot that's not Alfred.
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>>100629010
I'd rather they just stop fucking around and make it gay if they are going that way. I'm sick of Sunrise stealth homo.
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I think "past hina" is the daughter of future hina and aoba, she wasn't in love she was just watching how cool was her father, she disappeared because she wasn't born in the future.
The time line would be something like in 2100 (not exactly, just an example) "daughter hina" traveled to 2012 or whenever she met aoba, then Aoba in 2014 time traveled but he ended in 2080.
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>>100632234
Why is romance or blushing even needed in mecha, again?
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>>100632545
need more protagonists like setsuna f seiei
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>>100632635
You mean war hardened emotionless robots? They're ok but the problem with them is they always have

>muh past
>muh mental breakdowns

and those get really tiresome as well.
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I find I'm enjoying this more as it goes on. There's still nothing particularly remarkable about it, and the time travel aspect always makes me worry since it's an easy recipe for disaster, but I appreciate the fact that they're playing everything fairly straight. It's sort of a palate cleanser.
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>>100632965
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>>100632850
>It's sort of a palate cleanser.

Probably the closest to describing how I feel about this show as anything else. It's definitely a good thing, though.
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>>100632635
I'm fine with normal, thanks.

I don't need any more PTSD protags.

And Aoba should turn out pretty interesting once he gets his feet anyways. They already foreshadowed him being pretty merciless.
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aside from the high compatibility, aoba really doesn't give anything back.

I was hoping his athletic talent could somehow get something in the coupling. but as of now, its mostly DIO senses.
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>>100632850
The time travel aspect is what worries me the most. I'd like to think that it won't go time loop end since the war still isn't over when Bizon goes back.
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>>100631157
>Every episode feels 5 minutes long
I got same feeling. Usually I watch anime episode for hour or longer due to /a/, this goes surprisingly fast
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>>100632850
>There's still nothing particularly remarkable about it
In terms of originality maybe not, in any other aspect it is just great, that directing, that ost, those VAs, those battles and the strategies, interesting and diverse characters.
This show is an example of a basic concept completely well executed and that's what matters, originality is overrated.
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I wonder if some grunt is gonna die once per episode but still get a name. RIP Mikhailov and Passo
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Dio/Aoba is L-Elf/Haruto 2.0. They're not even being subtle about it.
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>>100633042

Right now yeah, he's just being carried and isn't contributing, which will probably be the thing for next episode after his mistake of forced decoupling
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>>100633042
You can't really expect much from a guy that was just dragged into a future world war fought with technology that he's never seen.
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>>100633550
Aoba knewto fly Luxor and at least navigate it even before coupling. That's improvement from not even being able to move it or open the cockpit.
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>>100633362
If it's a new director, he has lots of reason to make it as good and smooth as possible. I think we can expect good things from here on out. Nobody wants their first series to be bad.
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>>100633634
Exactly plus by the end of the series Aoba and Dio will be the Cipher and Pixy of Buddy Complex hopefully without the betrayal.
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>>100633847
I'm reminded of Musashi Gundoh. The director was new at it too and felt really embarrassed about the whole thing.
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>>100633634
Not to mention that they didn't even bother giving Aoba a gun. Luxor had one but not Aoba. So far the guy hasn't even slept and his meal constitutes of a Complex bar.
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>>100633550
It seems an achievement just the mere fact that he can couple. They showed all those prospective couplers and how brain dead they ended up. If anything Aoba has mental stamina, that as we saw, isn't fool proof.
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>>100633550
He seem to remember how to move and fly.
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>>100633019
Yeah. I doubt that this show will be well remembered come next year, but it's nice for what it is.
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>>100634399
>If you don't end up with the right buddy, you become braindead.
Sunrise sending a moral message.
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>>100633362

>This show is an example of a basic concept completely well executed and that's what matters, originality is overrated.

Holy shit, this.

I'd much rather have something like this than another "The Next Code Geass!". Here's to hoping it keeps this level of quality.
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>>100634658

That's still because of Dio's memories before
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>>100634722
Even then CG wasn't the paragon of originality. It takes the Gundam template and adds in Death Note plot twists.
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>>100634792

And? Skipping the training arc via direct knowledge transfer is a bonus.
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>>100634792
I prefer him stealing Dio's skills to him being a Coordinator, naturally gifted via plothax, good at piloting because of vidya or having to go through a tedious training period.
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This show really has been enjoyable so far. It's not doing anything overly dramatic but it's keeping me engaged and wanting to know what happens next.
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>>100634968
>>100634893

I know, I'm just saying he hasn't contributed his own knowledge or skills yet. Once he really helps out Dio then it'll be a nice turning point.
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>>100635116
He can't play mech basketball yet.
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>>100635116
Dio doesn't want any help.
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>>100635194

YET
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pls no
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>>100634667
Well, Aoba was already made out to be a "bro" in the first episode. He moved to the same high school so his buddy from basketball wouldn't be alone, he tries to guide Bizon away so that others don't get hurt. Maybe the system is based on deducing a person's character and honor and entrusting this superior technology to someone trustworthy. I guess most of humanity was shit and not good enough to pass the system and became braindead.
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>>100634722
>I'd much rather have something like this than another "The Next Code Geass!". Here's to hoping it keeps this level of quality.

I'd like to have both, since neither of the so-called "The Next CG" are remotely as good or even as entertaining as the original.

Buddy Complex is doing something different and it's fine by me. In fact, I think it was necessary. It probably won't make much of a splash on either side of the ocean though.
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>>100633362

What strategies?

What interesting and diverse characters?
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>>100635546
There comes a point when simple is fine. This is a good mecha fix for this season and I'm satisfied enough to keep watching. Trying too hard to be original (see Aquarion and orgasmic robots) usually fails.
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>>100635546
I'd take another 0079 or Zeta over a Code Geass any day.
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>>100635546
Time travel is potentially a cooler gimmick than Lelouch "Everyone that has anything to do with me becomes magically retarded" Lamperouge and his condensed plot power.
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>>100628084
What you should believe is that Sven (the white haired 20 year old) got with a gorgeous Christmas cake in the end (like 25 or 26). Lucky son of a bitch.
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>>100635930
He also got a 3 episode side-story that had more feels, quality, and brilliance than the entire SEED and Destiny combined.
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>>100635928

Depends how far they go with it. Will be interesting to see if they decide to proceed beyond the already established loop and commit more time shenanigans.
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>>100635843
>I'd take another 0079 or Zeta over a Code Geass any day.

For me that's a false dilemma. If you're saying Buddy Complex is going to be the next 0079 you're definitely assuming too much. The reality is nothing has actually been the next 0079 despite a fair number of attempts.

As for Zeta, which is massively overrated and full of problematic aspects, I don't think Buddy Complex wants to replicate that either.

The main character isn't anything like Kamille -that's a good thing, by the way- and I don't think it'll all descend into a theme of war-is- hell or simply a kill-em-all-ending.
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>>100635843
I'd take another Ideon or Votoms over those two any day.
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>>100635928
>Time travel is potentially a cooler gimmick than Lelouch "Everyone that has anything to do with me becomes magically retarded" Lamperouge and his condensed plot power.

I love the potential of time travel on paper as much as anyone else, but by the end of most series it's rarely treated as well as it should.

Also, you don't need to throw inaccurate and exaggerated descriptions around to make a point, let alone one which can be used as a boomerang as soon as anyone in BC fails to be not-retarded (which the first episode kinda suggests will happen).
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>>100635116
His contribution is by enhancing Dio's senses to the point he can see into the future.
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>>100630688
>reading the origin
>Char Aznable
>Some zeon squad leader died
He says "Oh you go taken out? Well no matter, you completed your mission completely soldier"

what a glorious heartless bastard.
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>>100636137
No I was not saying BC is trying to be 0079 or Zeta, just that it feels nostalgic in that it's fairly simple and nothing over the top. That's about as much as BC has in common to either of those two shows, standard mech tropes aside. Code Geass, Valvrave, and even 00 S2 were too over the top for me, seemed rather gimmicky, let's substitute plot twists and silly for good writing.
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>>100636233

Ideon's kind of hard to watch now, since it's too dated. They should try to remake that instead of The Origin. Votoms fares much better for something that's basically Rambo in Space at heart.
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Is Mayuka-chan going to die in the middle of the anime? ;_;
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>>100636388
Oh and forgot Aquarion EVOL. That show still makes me cringe. Great songs though, something it shares with Valvrave.
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>>100636388

As much as I hate the deconstruction/reconstruction bullshit, "reconstruction" sort of describes what BC is. It seems like since before Frontier we've had one mecha show after another that tried to do something 'unique' - I.e, Star Driver, which was Mecha + Fabulous, Evol which was "Mecha plus REINCARNATIONS", etc. This and to a lesser extent MJP seem to be trying to take mecha back to it's roots.
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>>100636520
She'll realize that if she wants any D it will unfortunately be Jarl's. Or death.
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>>100636307
> inaccurate and exaggerated descriptions

Nah, not really.

Also, it doesn't really work that way because Buddy Complex isn't built around the gimmick of having the MC outsmart everyone else every time. Characters in BC are free to make occasional retarded choices as long as the intelligence of their enemy doesn't mysteriously drop enough to make them seem like brilliant strategies.

It's the ultimate flaw in any show that focuses on characters that have "Is a genius" as their defining trait, they're only as smart as the people writing them. And the writers of Code Geass were not particularly clever people.
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>>100636520

If anyone is going to die, it will likely be her near the middle and Hina at the end.
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>>100636388

See, I agree there is some nostalgia factor involved. But I think Buddy Complex is much more of a 90s show than an 80's one, at least so far. It's not trying to pull off most of what Tomino did, outside of the inherently common structure with "this is a mecha show by Sunrise" elements. But the rest is different.

>Code Geass, Valvrave, and even 00 S2 were too over the top for me, seemed rather gimmicky, let's substitute plot twists and silly for good writing.

To some extent, although time travel is also technically a gimmick for that matter, which is why I think you shouldn't watch too many of those shows at a time. I do think the first and the last did have spurts of good writing that shouldn't be ignored, regardless of the bad.
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>>100630888

Seriously. Why dont more series do this? It makes me view the antagonists as human beings without having to waste time giving them tragic backstories. They act like actual people who have lost comrades.
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>>100636536

VVV and to a lesser extent EVOL suffered from interesting premises that were terribly, terribly executed. Valvrave is especially bad, since I think that had it been handled differently, the core concept could have really stood out - perhaps even eventually rivaling Gundam as a franchise.
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Glad Sugita-bro didn't die yet.
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>>100636849

He already took a hit. I give him three episodes at best. The second last one will likely have some backstory for him to add tragedy.
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>>100636849
They have to explain his relationship with the scientist chick. Look at all those pictures of her on his wall.
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>>100637046
I hear she's got an awesome pineapple salad recipe
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>>100636899
The idea of having only 3-4 pilots stationed in the main character's ship with no escorts while the enemy outnumbers still leaves me scratching my head. I can only chalk it up to a Gundam trope every mecha anime just can't let go of.
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>>100637124

They had more, but they all died in the fighting before Aoba arrived.
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>>100637124
It was a top secret research base full of prototypes and far from the front lines. There were also quite a few other pilots at the base but they got their shit wrecked in episode 2
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>>100636771
Valvrave would have been fine sticking to just being cursed mechs, the body-swapping was underused, and the runes made no sense in practice. Also with Valvrave, more fighting, less high school musical and needless drama. Adding space aliens too was overkill. I have nothing to say about EVOL other than it should have stuck to the curse of Eve. EVOL was really a parody in a lot of ways.
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>>100636663

Well, I'd disagree. For two main reasons, one of which would be wholly off-topic, so I'll only address the first of them right now.

While you did make a better point when it comes to how writers aren't usually as smart as the genius characters they portray, the fact remains such an underlying intelligence disconnect is an extremely common situation present in many kinds of shows, including shows like Buddy Complex, that you can't easily avoid.

We don't necessarily need to have the main character of Buddy Complex become a genius in order to make at least some of the other characters do something stupid (or retarded) because it's convenient for the plot. Even Legend of the Galactic Heroes does that sometimes, and so has most of Gundam from time to time. It's not something particularly rare or unusual in mecha that you'd want to restrict it to Code Geass just because of Lelouch's character type.

The fact you artificially write an exemption for BC characters doing something retarded seems a double standard for me.
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>>100637170
>>100637191
Sure hope once they reach the base to resupply they actually get into a fleet and not be made into a "special squad" by themselves.
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>>100637250
Aoba has yet to do something retarded though.
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>>100637313
The whole show will be them just trying to get to the base.
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>>100637210

>Valvrave would have been fine sticking to just being cursed mechs

Exactly my point. They had a good premise, (great power with great consequences) and then they decided to tone it down in favor of whatever the fuck it was we got in the second half.
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>>100637321
ehhh thats questionable
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>>100637321
Aoba, say "Connect with Dio."
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>>100637250

There's a difference between "Characters act stupid so the plot can happen" and "Characters act stupid to make some other character look brilliant."

I think that's what he's getting at with Geass.
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>Buddy Complex won't be a glorious 4-cour show
Damn it.
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>>100637416

I bet you're the kid who goes to get the candy in the stranger's van.

Wanting to find out what the fuck is going on is entirely reasonable, given that Future!Hina just dropped him off somewhere sans clue.
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>>100637380
Well, it went haywire in S1 as well in many places so they really sealed it's fate early on. It's just how Okouchi writes in the past 7 years. Planetes remains great but almost never discussed or remembered. Twists sell maybe? Tastes change generation to generation?
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>>100637250
>The fact you artificially write an exemption for BC characters doing something retarded seems a double standard for me.

I think you missed the point. It's not an exemption for BC characters, it's an exemption for any character that isn't in a show dedicated to a character whose primary trait is being smarter than everyone around him. Characters there are allowed to do stupid things and make mistakes as a matter of course because people do stupid things. Where in something like Code Geass, it's a lynchpin of every episode and the main tool of the writers for making the MC look brilliant.

LOGH does actually commit this error quite often and it's a major mark against it, although there's enough good content to counter it.
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>>100637599
>Just do as I say, Watase Aoba.
>Understood.
(Around 8:40 of episode 2)
He didn't find out anything before going along with it.
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>>100637599
You're close to being right, but not quite. It would have been different if he asked questions like "why should I do this", "who are you" and so on instead he just babbles

>What's with him?
>Seriously?
>Co-Connect?
>Dio?

before finally getting around to it. Come on, its combat, there are explosions and people dying all around you. You've got to be a bit more on the ball than that. I'd say that qualifies as retarded
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>>100637680

The first half suffered badly from pacing problems, but I don't think that would have killed it if the second half had been handled competently. It was the complete and palpable change in direction in the second half that really ruined it for me. I'm not sure what prompted them to change, either - I have a hard time imagining that the feedback from ep10 alone would have driven them the way it did, but something must have cause them to abandon whatever their original intent was.
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>>100637591
When will the next 4 cour mech show happen? If origin is on TV, I dont know if it can fill out that many episodes. I kinda of want a 50 episode macross show with the quality of F, but seeing what Kawamori is up too, seems like it will never happen.
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>>100637321

I wasn't saying he had. But look at his opposition for a moment and stuff like who was going nuts back in episode one.
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>>100637416
Would you connect to some random person? As gay as coupling sounds, can you blame Aoba for hesitating? Dio also never confirmed he was Dio.
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>>100637818
He's a jap, he doesn't understand what the word Connect means in English.
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>>100635116
Like in episode 3 when he takes on the melee bitch so Dio can escape from the Zaft trap?
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>>100637818
The guy was trying to get information. At this point in time a lot of shit was going on and he wanted answers. Which he wasn't getting.
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>>100637844
>When will the next 4 cour mech show happen?
Someday, I hope. I love long shows and slow-moving plot. Fuck this 12-episode bullshit.
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>>100637680
S2 felt like a different show all together. Valvrave also became super straight forward and pretty much ditched the twists in S2. Originally it looked like Haruto was going to lose his mind and turn into a berserk monster but then they changed it to memory loss in S2.
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>>100637680
>Well, it went haywire in S1 as well in many places so they really sealed it's fate early on. It's just how Okouchi writes in the past 7 years. Planetes remains great but almost never discussed or remembered. Twists sell maybe? Tastes change generation to generation?

I don't think there's just one reason, since the chosen format of the series also affects this as well as what Valvrave was trying to be: a crazy mecha show that sells. It didn't sell a lot, but it sure was a crazy show. On the other hand, the guy can write more reasonable stuff when the people who hire him aren't looking for the opposite of that. I wish I knew more about the director and the rest of the production process though, since it's kind of easy to narrow down everything without info.
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>>100637927
12 eps is enough for some stories, but yeah, not enough for all stories.
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>>100637770

Because the battle was clearly going against the guys he was supposed to be meeting. He's confused, not stupid.

>>100637818

The girl who sits next to him in class told him that somebody named Dio would be waiting for him. He shows up in the future, and Dio doesn't know who he is seems to be pretty pissed off about the fact that he exists.

I'd say it's the equivalent of going to a pizza place your friend recommends, walking in the front door of something the looks like a pizza parlor, and then the menu is from a niggerish BBQ joint and the waitress is speaking french.
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>>100637927
Eh, long shows can get boring around the half-way point and not to mention the fillers on the other hand if done correctly can neatly cover all the bases in world building and character development and give time to tie up loose ends. It's a double edged sword that works both ways.
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>>100637844
Gundam Build Fighters is 4, isn't it?
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>>100637998
Gargantia for example was fine with just 12. Why it needs an S2 is beyond me.
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>>100637955
Yeah, Valvrave got super-generic in S2 for some reason. It was pretty disappointing.
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>>100638045
I'd rather have the fillers than rushed crap.

>>100638076
Man, I wish.
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>>100638076
Its unknown at this point, although the Tourney ending is a good stopping point. If it keeps churning out money, who knows.
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>>100637877
That word is written in katakana in their language. He should know it.
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>>100637998
>>100637927

I'm still holding out hope BC will be 24 eps and is just split cour. There hasn't been any official announcement yet right?
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>>100638144
No announcement.
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You know, I'm really glad the scientist chick randomly decided to explain the coupling system to a bunch of people who almost certainly understood it already. I guess she just wanted to show off her knowledge, or something.
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>>100638086
The general Hideauze-Humanity conflict has potential to be covered deeper. I do hope they focus on an entirely new cast because there's not much you can work on with Ledo's story without making it look like an afterthought.
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>>100638144
I feel like split cour is the worst thing that could happen. Sunrise originals do not have a good track record with split cour since the staff go and change things based on reception.
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>>100638257

Alternately, it's a revelation that the first season was actually a BAD END and now Ledo has to recover from his colossal fuckup.
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>>100637825
It's just my theory but it's either episode 10 and more rape was on the way or they re-wrote scenes to keep the top 5 alive based on the character poll. Maybe it was L-elf who was going to die and they realized people watched the show for him or something. Not sure, but whatever reason they had, it was a bad reason. Script deviations tend to be bad, so I worry about it with BC too if those initial rumors are true.
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>>100638271
It's economical sound in a way that they're not burning money on something that's not selling in the first place. We may not like it, but it's a smart safety net.
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>>100637747

Good to clear that up, but then I don't agree with that extended exemption either. Personally, I think it should be an all or nothing affair. Either characters should be allowed to do stupid things and make mistakes, or they shouldn't.

However, I also think you're also missing something in this equation. In Code Geass Britannia was always consistently portrayed as having a lot of dumb commanders, murderous soldiers, plus egoistical or whimsical royalty right from episode one. It's a rather decadent expansionist Empire after all, closer to a fictionalized neo-medieval nation rather than a modern world power.

The other thing is the a matter of theatricality vs. realism and how your individual suspension of disbelief reacts to it. Obviously most of those strategies wouldn't work in a real war situation, because they were picaresque gambits and over-the-top theatrics rather than purely intellectual exercises, but what about Zero indicates he's supposed to be a realistic genius in a realistic context? Nothing. What truly did make Lelouch come across as smart weren't those impossible and operatic plans, but his actual thought processes, regardless of the level of realism involved.
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>>100638086
Gargantia had a buttload of problems and was not really "fine."
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>>100637955

Valvrave just became more melodramatic but the first season already had some of that. S2 had less silly moments but we still had some of that and various twists. It was still disappointing though, and something that needed more planning for the number of episodes available.
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>>100638086
13 and it's obvious that new series will have different cast plus Chamber
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>>100638271

The staff isn't alone in those rooms though, they are also responding to real or perceived business factors that the company can't ignore.
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>>100638404
I personally don't understand people hating on Gargantia as I do with VVV. Yeah, there were a few questions left unanswered, but Ledo's personal story ended on a good note and the characters are generally likeable. Out of the three mech shows of that season, it came out on top for me.
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>>100638086

It doesn't need a S2.

Gargantia is just getting one because it sold.

Sadly, shows don't get what they need. They get what their success allows.
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>>100638404
I'm not saying Gargantia was perfect, just that it had a pretty clear ending and it was satisfactory. A continuation of the same cast in a world where the major threat seems to have died/diminished is pointless. So will it become a SoL with Ledo-Amy dating adventures while they preach co-existence with the Hideauze? Or did Urobutcher feel bad that he for once wrote a "happy" ending?
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>>100638564
There was too much filler in the middle and then they tried to pack in a plot at the end which was rushed and not handled very well.

MJP was easily the best out of the three shows for me, and the other two aren't worth watching again.
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>>100638360

The thing that I don't understand is how they completely neutered Haruto's character development, yet they somehow simultaneously decided that the second half should focus almost entirely on him and L11.

Granted, the development of the MC doesn't seem to matter as much to japan as it does to me: Lord knows MLA is popular for some reason, and it certainly isn't because Takeru had a compelling character arc.
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>>100638504
12 or 13, close enough. And you're talking out of your ass because no new cast was announced.
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>>100638564

The problem with Gargantia is that people went in expecting Humans Vs. Aliens and wound up with Avatar: Waterworld Edition. I'd say most of those disappointed with it kept expecting the original premise to return, only to get repeatedly cockblocked.
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>>100637478
>There's a difference between "Characters act stupid so the plot can happen" and >"Characters act stupid to make some other character look brilliant."
>I think that's what he's getting at with Geass.

I think both of them are related issues, rather than being two entirely separate situations. Neither case makes the characters any less dumb. I've already addressed the other specifics though.
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>>100638642
Complete opposite for me. I enjoyed the middle fillers with Ledo adjusting with life at the Gargantia and just chilling with Amy and friends. Interestingly, I do agree that the end with the cult ship to be tacked on and could've been done some other way.

>>100638786
I guess I'm one of those people who "adapted" to what the show really is and ended up happy with it than disappointed.
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>>100638702
I don't even know what happened with Haruto during S2. He seemed fine during the second half of S1 and then S2 made him get stuck on the same problems over and over again until he died a pretty pathetic death.
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>>100638755
But it's obvious, Ledo's story is finished. Without mecha or real enemy he can live there peacefully.
I'm betting his descendant in sequel will find Chamber.
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>>100638633
>will it become a SoL with Ledo-Amy dating adventures

That would be far too much fun to actually to happen.
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>>100638642
MJP was really hard to get through in the beginning. It took 9 episodes for it to be decent and get to the point/action. Also, the filler episodes didn't do much, more on the alien/Theoria story front or fights would have been better. There was very little character growth in MJP.
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>>100638786
>The problem with Gargantia is that people went in expecting Humans Vs. Aliens...
I don't get it. It was stated for long time before start of anime that it will be about ships and brown girls. I got what I expected.
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>>100638958
>the filler episodes

Yeah that's why I dropped it.

Maybe I'll go back and marathon it some time.
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>>100638985

Perhaps I should clarify: People expected Humans with ships and brown girls Vs. Aliens.
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>>100638887
Or they can be attacked by the space people and have to rebuild Chamber, Ledo having to angst over fighting again. Oh and he'll die at the end, his male squirell included. This is horrible btw but still possible if they are just trying to milk a show that sold previously.
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>>100638642
>character development
>filler

Each of the mecha shows that season had different things to offer. Gargantia was the not-so-mech with a theme of growth with a dark backstory.
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>>100638958
I enjoyed the character interaction, and I thought Team Rabbits had a nice interaction between each other. Character growth is honestly really overrated and you don't need much more than weak to strong (which is what happened with Izuru).

>>100639128
The point was gotten in like 2 episodes that Ledo was going to mellow out. The rest of it was filler.
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>>100639124
They are 8k light years away
>>100639055
Aliens like in first episode or just water ones?
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>>100639187
So you're okay with people abruptly turning a 180 from one episode to the next? I don't know what to say.
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>>100639187
It takes a while for someone to mellow out for someone with a background like Ledo's. If he had acted like he did at the end after only two episodes of development, it would feel very cheap and rushed. He grew with time and experience, just like real people grow in time and experience.
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>>100639128
But the MJP filler episodes didn't really have character development or backstory. That's why it was pointless. Basically 2 girls ate food in the back of a car in-between photo shoots and Asagi bought ice cream for a little kid while the main guy just drew manga like he did every episode.
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>>100639246
>>100639249
Focusing on Ledo's obvious character development was wasted and should have been shown alongside the actual plot in the end. We get what's going to happen. There's no point in being chased by gays.
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>>100639275
Whoa, I was addressing the "filler" in Gargantia, not in MJP

>captcha- ocean rrydget
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Guys this is a BC thread. Not a Gargantia or MJP thread
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>>100636330
Char in The Origin is such a ruthless prick. "Hey guys we lost like six zakus to that white mobile suit but the information was good so whatever. Glory to Zeon, etc etc."
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>>100630390
VVV's mecha fights are so boring. It's just them bouncing off each other and occasionally something blows up.
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>>100639356
I wish there was more fanarts
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>>100639356
I dunno. It became a very civilized thread around that point, which only happens once in a blue moon on /a/
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>>100639329
The plot WAS Ledo. The backstory was just a way to set up his personal character growth. We knew this from the little description on why Urobuchi wrote this show from before Gargantia aired. It's for the people who currently haven't found their place in society and we're supposed to empathize with Ledo

>>100639356
g-gomen

BC is pretty cool though, hyped for the next episode.
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>>100639423
Well, I liked Haruto stabbing himself.
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>>100631157
I really like how, despite the coupling shit, Aoba and Dio barely interact and when they do it's hostile. It's not like "Hey you guys are a team now so you're bunking together" or "Mandatory partnership building time," they just couple and forget about it.
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>>100639329
They were trannies. It makes all the difference. It was just an episode trying to get Ledo to come out of his shell, rather, space suit and learn to relax like a normal person and not be a soldier. It got him closer to the rest of the characters.
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>>100639423
>VVV's mecha fights are so boring.

I felt they were alright, though not special.
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>>100639329

I thought it was really well done character-focused show. When the series started going into the squids again I just couldn't give a shit.
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>>100639423
The final fight was one of the most boring final fights that I have seen.
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>>100639449
But that detracted GREATLY from the last arc at the end. (Seriously, they squeezed that in what? 3 or 4 episodes?) Ledo's development is fine, but there's no reason why we should be spending entire episodes on that if you are going to try to jam-pack in a final arc.

They should have made Krugal show up way earlier in the middle of the show and actually pace it out properly while doing Ledo's development.
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>>100639584

I've seen much worse
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>>100639600
>Krugal

The whole point of the middle was to give a contrast for the ending; otherwise it wouldn't have worked so well. If Ledo was not so attached to Amy and the Gargantian life, he WOULD have joined Kugel. BECAUSE he went through what he did with the crew for a while, he grew to accept his new home and became enlightened enough to make his own choice and defy Kugel.
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So how will they run into Hina next? She needs to be interacting with him for the whole romance to make any semblance of sense. If she's just hangs out with Zog till ep 9 or 10 before finally getting captured or something that will really ruin the believability of her falling for him

On the other hand, them randomly capturing her or something doesn't sound much better
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>>100637591
>>Buddy Complex won't be a glorious 4-cour show
>Damn it.

preorder rankings is pretty bad

it's at around the #1000 so it looks like a Sacred Seven in our hands
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>>100639715
Why couldn't he have initially joined Krugal and then learn the error of his ways later? I don't think what we got worked well at all. It felt rushed and fairly anticlimatic.
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>>100639726
Hina and Aoba will probably both get shot down at some point and spend some time together. Typical Sunrise enemy romance
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>>100639728
There's still hope, right? r-right?
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>>100628915

i want blonde girl, glasses girl, that other red-headed girl and Chinese girl in the series now!
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>>100639728

That's a shame. All the fights must be pretty expensive.
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>>100639728
I suspect most sales will come from other stores besides Amazon, since they aren't even offering exclusive content.
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>>100639797
Because if he would have joined Kugel sooner and had not gone through the "filler", he WOULDN'T have seen the error of his ways.
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>>100639511
Funny, I thought the same thing after this episode. Aoba doesn't even have a room, he's still in Conrad's. Conrad probably shacks up with Elvira anyway or this is just a great excuse to since past-boy is in my room, sorry gotta stay here. Aoba and Dio both seem like stuborn, emotionally driven people. I don't think either one will really dominate or outshine the other. Aoba will remain Hina driven and Dio whatever he had to do. Coupling is just a way to keep alive when they have limited troops.
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>>100639797
>Why couldn't he have initially joined Krugal and then learn the error of his ways later?

Because Krugal's on his dystopian ship colony, there's nothing good for him to learn there.
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>>100639830
>>100639815
>>100639728
Will they even bother to make model kits of the mecha knowing it's abysmal sales?
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>>100639830

Either way, it might go up a little if the show gets some buzz, but the trend seems hard to revert unless it really WOWS people. Not just "hey, this is alright" like most of us feel.
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>>100639866
Why not? Joining Krugal wouldn't mean isolating yourself.

>>100639890
Who said he had to stick around on that ship?
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>>100639813
There are two more
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>>100639945
>Joining Krugal wouldn't mean isolating yourself.
Amy and the Gargantia crew had that taken care of and he turned out for the better.
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>>100624110
Brain-gattai synergy makes them good enough pilots to handle the full power of the machines, and the machine's output is safety capped until then? Otherwise the speed is wasted on them because they don't have the reaction time to use it right, and they'd just fly past the target and get shot in the back.
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>>100639938
Wasn't it ranked 6th or something as discussed on 2ch? Maybe people are getting more interested as they learn it's decent.
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This is so god damn boring.
I haven't watched nearly as much animu as Rog, but I can tell some extremely generic shit, even by Japanese standards.

The greatest parts were just some of the time travel discussion on /a/. Other than that it just seems like a bad copy pasta of different trope pieces.
Guess I might marathon it after full release. Not that anyone here cares.
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>>100639728
Is it just me or have mech shows just been selling abysmally lately. Even looking at the premise/characters and whatnot I had a feeling it wasn't going to have anything that pandered to the otaku to get those bux.

Yes yes I know, hindsight bias but w/e.
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>>100638786
twist being there were no aliens in the first place, at all
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>>100640076
Unicorn is literally the best OVA of all time.
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>>100640035
Discussion=/=sales. WUG is number one on the 2ch boards yet it's not selling because Yamakan.
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>>100640077
Gargantia is one of those shows where you either appreciate the message or not. People who hoped for alien fights will never be satisfied. Valvrave had aliens even those it promised space vampires.
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>>100640003
The hypothetical I'm talking about already has Amy and Gargantia leaving an impression on Ledo. This shit writes itself. He could go attack some other ship to enslave them into Krugal's autocratic rule, but gradually question himself and what he's doing.
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Dio shot three times to blow this guy up right?
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>>100640122
Best selling I mean.
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>>100640122
>More high quality OVAS start happening.
>Eventually get another Macross Plus
Please happen.
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>>100639907
Probably that is where Sunrise makes most of it's money from anyway besides it's also multi media project with a game and manga so BD sales probably don't matter much anyway.
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>>100640131
It's just preorder sales numbers right?
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>>100628141
They share each other's potential. Aoba is unskilled but has potential that matches Dio's who is apparently made out to be some kind of Ace pilot. It's the reason their coupling works so well.
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>>100640281
>Macross Plus
Mah nigga. This is one of my favourite animated works ever and is the best thing Watanabe's ever done.
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>>100639726
For the full traditional thing, they'd get stranded in the same place and briefly have to call a truce and work together.
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>>100639938
>unless it really WOWS people. Not just "hey, this is alright" like most of us feel.

i think this is the biggest sticking point right there

just looking at the paradigm of the cast is generic as fuck

maybe if they mix it up a bit with non-generic mech designs then maybe more peeps will notice
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>>100640329
Have T.M. Revolution x Nana Mizuki do an insert song for Aoba and Hina stranded moment and you'll see sales.
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>>100640328
I would totally buy cells from it.
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>>100640328
I like Zero better but opinions.
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>>100628709
I found the connection.
>Aoba gets hairclip off the ground
It's from the previous pilot who died, dropped it.
>Aoba gives hairclip to Hina in near future.
She wears it into the future
>Aoba meets Hina with hairclip
>Hina disappears with hairclip

Time is saved.
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>>100640423
Can you explain what exactly happened at the end to me? I still don't get how it's supposed to fit in with all the protoculture and shit.
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>>100638518
what kind of factors that's been bothering them

>>100638271

I do hope some staff members will return for the return of the mai project coming up soon
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>>100640076
The last mech shows with damn good sales were CG and 00 yes?
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>>100640519
>The last mech shows with damn good sales were CG and 00 yes?

Plus Macross Frontier. I think that sold a bit more.
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>>100640291
>Probably that is where Sunrise makes most of it's money from anyway besides it's also multi media project with a game and manga so BD sales probably don't matter much anyway.

what is the manga about anyways? i heard it IS about the guy-girl pairing

frankly if none of these media does well, this "franchise" will languish
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>>100640577
Might as well throw in the towel because the flagship source is tanking. Besides Nanoha, I can't recall a series which its side material became more successful than its source.
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Man, I thought they were gonna capture Hina in this episode. Looks like they're gonna drag things out instead.
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>>100640709
Why is Bizon still so angry? She's gonna choose Aoba again isn't she?
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>>100640732
>Besides Nanoha, I can't recall a series which its side material became more successful than its source.

Zegapain was supposed to be a tie-in to sell an Xbox game. I wouldn't call the anime ultrapopular, but I never heard anything about the game, whereas the anime launched Hanazawa's career.

IIRC Muvluv and its spinoffs are more popular than their source (drama-filled romance visual novel Kimi ga Nozomu Eien) too.
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Will Dio ever stop being a dick?
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>>100641136
Maybe after some Anessa time.
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>>100641136
>Will Dio ever stop being a dick?

After he Brightslaps Aoba for trying to fry his brain in combat.
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>>100641078
>Zegapain was supposed to be a tie-in to sell an Xbox game. I wouldn't call the anime ultrapopular, but I never heard anything about the game, whereas the anime launched Hanazawa's career.

Zegapain launched at a really bad time where EVERYONE'S attention was Haruhi Suzumiya
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What's the leading theory on time travel, that we're going to reach a staple timeloop and that the future suggested in the first time line is the same as this one at a different point or that Aoba travelling to the future has created a seperate timeline and that the original Hina has been removed from existence?
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It sucks that I like Bizon.
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>>100642171
could be best girl, we'll see
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>>100629668
>>100630204
I don't understand why everyone hates Nobunaga. I like it.
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>>100642322
Me too anon.
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You have to break through the chuuni barrier to begin to properly appreciating Nobunaga.

Buddy Complex is just very generic.

I wasn't paying attention to see if Majestic Prince sold well or not. It was also very generic, but fuck your shit it had evil space wizards and MUH LAMATA
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Its really a question of

>is this the first time loop or did this happen again and again and again and

Judging by the simplification of the entire fucking 2088 setting in the show, I'm willing to bet the show is going on linear time travel fiction where this loop overwrites the original timeline into oblivion. And if thats the case, the end of the show will probably resolve to fix everything that Hina1 hoped for - or even a second time jump where the battle from the first episode is interrupted by time traveling Dio.
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>>100626134
Come on, don't be harsh. At least they're not doing rewrites like a certain group that's subbing sekai seifuku.
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>>100643533

I skipped Majestic Prince. Was it at least kinda entertaining compared to Heroic Age?
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>>100630945
I feel bad for him too.
But she 'died' with him in episode one, so it's all good.
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>>100643410
>I don't understand why everyone hates Nobunaga. I like it.

I can't say I speak for anyone else here, but: I don't like Japanese history and tend to drop anything that lays it on too thick. Especially if it involves them acting like idiots for the sake of MUH HISTORY.

On the other hand I'm enjoying Nobunagun so far because it's about heavy weapons girl being a military otaku.
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>>100643669
>I skipped Majestic Prince.
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>>100643563
Is it time to shit-fling and uselessly compare groups that do fansub to groups that obviously don't?

Maybe we'll get internet points.
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>>100636137
This series needs more gay, though. Hearing that they dialed back on the homo was quite disappointing.
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Powerlevels weren't as ridiculous as Heroic Age. You either liked the fuckup squad and got used to Hiraifaces or you quit it
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>>100643805

Well every time I saw screencaps of that show, it seemed like Hiraiface only got ten times worse.
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I quite like this show so far. Action scenes are done very well, I like the pacing and I look forward to seeing how Hina changes sides and Dio and Aoba "couple"

Studio 8 is pretty good.
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Wouldn't there be records of news reports of a giant Zog mech wreching having in 2014 Japan? Wouldn't they know about this?

Wonder if time travel shenanigans will fix this somehow
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Are we auto saging? new thread?
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>>100640076

Everything's been selling abysmally lately. Last season was absolutely terrible for sales despite being rather good overall imho.
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>>100644426

40 odd posts left.
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>>100632234

Signed. Specially because they waste so much time on obvious sexual tension, built up relationship and dumb hints that never go anywhere. While they ignore the hetero relationships but make them "obvious" but bland as fuck.

Either go gay or go and built a convincing heteroromance making the buddy a surprise reverse trap, but don't shove this shit again.
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>>100639432

>Dio and Aoba arms linked
>Hina with her arms around both

I love this.
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>>100643410
I quite like it, anon.
Now it isn't the anime of the decade, but it is entertaining me.
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>>100643874

If it's the same time line then yes, there should be records.
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>>100629939
Rest in Passo
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>>100643749
I don't like Japanese history, either, but I find Nobunaga cool because it also has European history in it and it's not a remotely accurate depiction of either of them
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What the fuck happened?
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>>100649096
love
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I guess Zogilia won't take much time to start copying the Coupling System.
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>>100649096

NTR

Aobo couples with her so hard that she can't get enough of it and becomes an enemy of Zogilia.
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>>100649636
Why is this a thing? Why can't they just be OP with their retarded Capuringu shistemu then get outwitted by the enemy instead of copycat'd off
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>>100649636
That Hina's mech may have been from the Confederacy after she switched side.
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I prefer villain Hina.
Too bad she's going to be assassinated as a character and turned into a moeblob because of tru lub.
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>>100650076
You have problem with tru lub?
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>>100650093
Yes.
I don't like how they manage to always force unconclusive romance into sunrise shows.
It doesn't even have plot significance most of the time, it's just there to boost the heroine waifuness to show us how faithful she is and blabla while getting jackshit in return.
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I'm sure next episode everyone will be yelling at Aoba for decoupling but why did nobody bother to tell him about the consequences? Maybe it was on the video but Mayu never mentioned it. Maybe Dio should start leaving sticky notes instead of picking fights with civilian time travelers.
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>>100649878
It looks more Zogilian to me.
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>>100650283
It is. She can always defect with her mech, why waste it.
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Tarjim, master of the obvious. "Their ship looks like a swan." Shit, it's not called Cygnus for nothing. Also, Alfried "is he trying to capture her?" Isn't he supposed to be smart? Clearly Aoba was reaching out to her not running away grabbing her and the mech.
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>Hina brings him to the future and says fuck Dio.
>Hina appears on the enemy trying to kill Dio and Aoba.
>Hina forgets him all together.
What the fuck is this story? This is just confusing at this point.


Is Lee d-dead? Alfred Gallant is a boss.
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>>100650822
Wow, you are retarded.
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>>100650822
>What the fuck is this story? This is just confusing at this point.

No, it isn't. You are just too retarded.
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>>100650822
Are you trolling?
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>>100628016
How so?

She was their enemy. It make sense that she acted like that.

I swear this type of show attracted worst kind of retard.
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How many brain cells do you think Dio lost after the de-coupling?
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>>100650320
>>100650283
It's probably after defecting that her mech was modified with the Confederate comp system. It's unlikely that zogilia has copied the coupling tech.
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>>100650822
Are you actually serious? The one that brought Aoba to the future isn't the same one as the one he fought with.
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>>100650934
No need to be so mean I was just trying to understand what was going on because they haven't explained much its just been mecha fights.
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>>100651067
Probably. I noticed that episode 1 Bizon has some tubes going to his helmet, maybe an attempt to copy? The Zogilia pilots don't have the tubes yet in episode 2.
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>>100651236
>>100650822

>Tripfag being retarded as usual

Surprise, surprise.

Too busy attentionwhoring on /a/ than paying attention on Chinese cartoon you watched I assume?
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>>100651236
Haven't you figured out that Aboa came to a point in the future when both Dio and Hina do not know who the guy is yet? Past Hina is dead and gone due to time paradox.

Lee survives since the dialog said that only his mech's arm was destroyed while the cockpit is still intact.
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>>100649096
Aoba fucked the military training out of her before she time traveled. Not that she lost much consider how she just got wrecked and has zero trigger discipline.
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>>100651314
I still can't fathom how can someone not comprehend something so fucking obvious.
I mean, in the fucking first episode Bizon was asking Hina why did she betrayed them or something along those lines, it was obvious they knew each other. And he was fucking bad guy, furthermore they guy got critical injuries and supposedly died.
Then Aoba goes into the future, and we see Bizon is alive in there, and not insane YET. It clearly implies that Aoba went back in time way before bizon went insane and Hina betrayed zogilla. Which in turn shouldn't make it surprising that she had no idea who this fucking kid in white mecha was.
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>>100649838
Because that would require more effort from the writers.
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>>100652544
Don't forget Hina wearing the enemy outfit on the OP/ED.

Some people are just too stupid.
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>mfw I can't help but ship BizonxHina
At least she's going to die along her rightful husbando, while Aoba is left to buttsex Dio.
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>>100639432
>Dio and Aoba DP'ing Hina while coupled.
Pixiv please.
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>>100639329
>There's no point in being chased by gays.
I would of rather had him be seduced by the lewd shota.
This shit was to fucking vanilla for me.
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>>100652544
> bizon went insane

Was he?

I was under an impression that he was just angry and confused due to time traveling and Hina.
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>>100633688

No, all that knowledge he retained from his first coupling with Dio.
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>>100627873
Unless they land on Zogilian territory. This isn't 0079 yet.
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>>100639887
Don't worry, they'll ratchet up teh gay. No way they come up with a premise like this and not do so.
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>>100638224

It's assume Aoba is on the other end of her comm.
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>>100653894
I feel like Bizon is just a poor NTR victim.
I feel for hiim.
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>>100649838

Because that's much more efficient than creating something from scratch.

WW2 was full of copy cat technology.
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>>100649838
Because that happens in war man.
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I don't understand why they went with them fucking teleporting around to show how much "better" they are when they couple. Such a stupid inclusion that removes all tension from fights.

I think I am still going to keep watching but I doubt this show will turn out to be anything other than mediocre.
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>>100641936
>What's the leading theory on time travel, that we're going to reach a staple timeloop and that the future suggested in the first time line is the same as this one at a different point or that Aoba travelling to the future has created a seperate timeline and that the original Hina has been removed from existence?

It's probably going to be a stable timeloop with Bizon getting thrown back in time and Hina also traveling back to protect Aoba from him, leading to Aoba coming to the future in the first place. I expect that Hina and Bizon will probably both make it back to the future... present... whatever in time for the series climax.

Aoba had clearly traveled to the future in 1st episode Hina's timeline since she knew both him and his connection with Dio.



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