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/a/, I want to write stories for anime and manga, but I have no artistic talent. Is there a way into this industry, or will I forever be a dreamless neckbeard?

inb4 google
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Fuck off.
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No. Especially if you have to ask here.
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>>100619606
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r76FugZ2pZIE74LdSEBMwGJ7HxweawNdoGrNT6hrOfs/edit?pli=1
http://imgur.com/a/2G7kk#0
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>>100619606
>>I have no artistic talent.

Then learn.
To be honest, these days you can rely on Poser and stock backgrounds and you can be considered a decent artist.
Don't read the "How to Draw Manga" books, read general how to draw comics stuff like "How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
"But, Anon, I don't want to draw comics, I wanna draw MANGA!"
You should still learn the fundamentals, and the gaijins that have published manga in Japan started out in comics.

>>Is there a way into this industry, or will I forever be a dreamless neckbeard?

It's hard for people in Japan to get into that industry, it's way harder for non-Japanese to get in.
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The fact that you're a gaijin alone makes it impossible from what I've heard. Can't say from personal experience though
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>>100619606
If you're not a weeaboo, and actually want to make something, western comics should be just fine for you. Publishers like Dark Horse do accept writing and story proposals. Just make a script and send it to them. They have guidelines and info on their website.
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>>100620064
>read general how to draw comics stuff like "How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
NO. Loomis.
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Don't limit yourself to anime and manga. There's literally no way you're going to get into the industry. And if you have a passion for writing, what difference does is make where you write for?
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>>100620064
>Learn talent?
Did you read what you just wrote? Although I agree with the learning of fundamentals part.
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>>100620430
It's true, it doesn't really matter. I intend on writing novels, in time. I guess modern times has given me a fear of books turning into shitty 3D adaptions.

Also, thanks for caring Anon. I will be dutiful to my interests and not shirk hard work!
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>>100620430
It shouldn't particularly matter if he writes for manga specifically, but each medium of writing is completely different. I could write a good VN but I wouldn't be able to do a book.
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>>100620064
>Learn talent
Talent can't be learned anon

>"How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
No fuck you, that book is fucking the same as "How to draw mango" , Loomi, Vilppu
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>>100620064
What gajiins have published manga and/or been involved in anime?
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> I have no artistic talent. Is there a way into this industry

No, absolutely not. At best with a lot of hard work, the right connections and degree, you might make a marketing/PR job for Funimation/aniplex.
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>>100620444
talent is just applied interest
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>>100620959
>>100620444
However some talent needs practise before it actually surfaces.

>>100619606
Find something else to dedicate your life to. Trying to get in the industry is throwing away your life on a gamble and even if you succeed you will be pretty much a sweat shop worker.
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>>100621090
The author of Peepo Choo. Paul Pope. Bahi JD. Da Hootch. I can't think of any others.
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http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

You can also write. Anybody can write.

>implying you can write
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>>100620732
>I could write a good VN

Put your money where your mouth is. Write us a VN anon.

C...can I write it with you?
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>>100620959
>>Talent can't be learned anon

Talent can't be learned, but he can learn how to draw comics. Whether or not he's good depends on his talent and how much he's willing to put into learning.

>>No fuck you, that book is fucking the same as "How to draw mango"

The "How to Draw Mango" books are written by sub-Deviant Art hacks peddling the same weeaboo character designs. The books I mentioned are written by published comic book artists. They're not the same.

>>Loomi, Vilppu

Yeah, he should check them out, too. But that's just figure drawing, I was suggesting understanding-how-comics-work stuff.
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>>100621562
He should learn to draw before he tries to make comics.
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>>100621553
>Write us a VN anon.
give me an idea I like and a team plus feedback to keep me motivated and I'll write one in half the time it took those guys to write KS and it'll be ten times as good.
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>>100621090
Felipe Smith published Peepo Choo for Kodansha in some alt-seinen magazine, Paul Pope published some short manga and worked as an assistant for a mangaka, some gaijin directed Tekonkinkreet, a couple of gaijins have worked in anime production.
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>>100621682
don't forget money and software fag
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>>100619606
>but I have no artistic talent.
Like most people working in the industry. You'll fit perfectly. Start with pornographic doujins. This is where all hacks start.
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>>100621237
Which brings me to my question (even though I might already know the answer).

There's already a daily thread for /a/ drawfags -- why not one for /a/ writefags?
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>>100621722
I'm not working with people who are in it for money, I refuse.
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>>100621682
Beta guy gets bullied by sadist girls, he's motivated to change because he constantly gets made fun of. Bullies turn into love interests.
>>100621722
>Ren'Py
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>>100620661

TBH you should consider yourself lucky if you get a shitty movie adaptation, even a terrible movie is a huge advertisement for the book it's adapted from. It was movies that truly turned Harry Potter, Twilight, and the Hunger Games into phenomenons.
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>>100621831
So original and creative.
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>>100621826
You need money to fund your project even if you lived in a fantasy world where /a/'s most talented NEETs sent you emails and you set off to work on a VN
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>gaijin
>japanese industry
HA HA HA HA HA HAH
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>>100621743
There are way less writefags than drawfags and what constitutes 'good' writing will, to be perfectly honest, often mean that it has little or anything to do with anime or manga.
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>>100621831
>Beta guy gets bullied by sadist girls, he's motivated to change because he constantly gets made fun of. Bullies turn into love interests.
Too cliche sounding, it sounds like something an edgy high schooler would right as escapism. The best thing I could do with that is have a twist sometime in the story that the entire story is actually written by said high schooler who is still being bullied and raped, and as the bullying gets worse the story he writes gets more and more fantastical until it makes a bigger trip than SHAFT shit.
>>100621904
There are free programs you can find. Anyone who wants payment for writing a VN won't be working with me, I want intrinsically motivated people on my team.
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>>100621726
>>Start with pornographic doujins. This is where all hacks start.

It's a time-tested recipe for success.
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>>100621831
Is that actually good?
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>>100621743
There really aren't any writefags on /a/. There are some people who sit down and write some shit once in a while, even I did that once or twice, but nobody even bothers with names, not to mention tripcodes.
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>>100621994
>Too cliche sounding, it sounds like something an edgy high schooler would right as escapism. The best thing I could do with that is have a twist sometime in the story that the entire story is actually written by said high schooler who is still being bullied and raped, and as the bullying gets worse the story he writes gets more and more fantastical until it makes a bigger trip than SHAFT shit.

2edgy4me
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>>100621994
Honestly, a better way of expressing yourself in this regard would be to say you're not going to pay anyone who doesn't have a professional writing credit to begin with, as the purpose of the project is to debut new talent.

That sounds a little less full-of-yourself.
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>>100622106
Wow. It almost wanted me to join myself.
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>>100621994
All VNs are cliche, you can breathe new life into the idea. Make it over the top or make it subtle.
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I would be interested in a thread where people brainstorm VN concepts. Just for fun.

Surely we can come up with some interesting and original ideas? VNs tend to be so formulaic so much of the time...
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>>100622106
That makes it sound like I'll pay if it's a professional. I don't want people who are only in it for the money.
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>>100622017
Sure. You don't even need to be very good. Akamatsu is a shitty mangaka with crappy ideas and look how popular his garbage is. Otaku are stupid. Just cater to their tastes.
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>>100622174
Disregard intestines and internal organs, acquire curves.
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>>100622174
You don't have many options. For one, there's already a /vn/ general on /vg/.

Second, visual novels are not necessarily related to anime and manga -- unless they are based off of them.

But that would be fanfiction, wouldn't it, and a fanfiction thread on /a/ is -- well, I'm cringing as I type this.
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>>100622261
Well, you can rephrase it however you want. But I guess what I'm saying is don't make it out like you're better than people who do it for money. People who do it for money are passionate about their art, too -- otherwise they wouldn't be working so hard at it to make a living. It's a very difficult thing to do. There's a few mega best sellers out there who are very rich, but most authors just make enough to get by.

I recently got an agent, and I don't like the implication that trying to make money means you're a sellout.
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>>100622331
His anatomy is all kinds of fucked, but to me it's almost more interesting because of that.
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>>100622261
>>That makes it sound like I'll pay if it's a professional

Just say it's a not-for-profit amateur work.

>>I don't want people who are only in it for the money.

Do you have some sort of hangup about people wanting to create something and getting paid for it?
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Into the trash it goes
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>>100622649
Janitors plz.
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>>100622261
Is your ideal author the one who writes as a side job and self publishes on Amazon for no profit? Being an author is a job; the whole point is to write and get paid. And if you can get that royalty check, congratulations, you're a published author and someone thought your book was good enough to pay for.
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>>100619606
Kill yourself.
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>>100622957
The hypothetical VN isn't a job.
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>>100623192
Nice bampu, /a/non.
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>>100620255
>Publishers like Dark Horse do accept writing and story proposals. Just make a script and send it to them. They have guidelines and info on their website.
I'm retarded, please point it for me.



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