/a/, I want to write stories for anime and manga, but I have no artistic talent. Is there a way into this industry, or will I forever be a dreamless neckbeard?
No. Especially if you have to ask here.
>>I have no artistic talent.
To be honest, these days you can rely on Poser and stock backgrounds and you can be considered a decent artist.
Don't read the "How to Draw Manga" books, read general how to draw comics stuff like "How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
"But, Anon, I don't want to draw comics, I wanna draw MANGA!"
You should still learn the fundamentals, and the gaijins that have published manga in Japan started out in comics.
>>Is there a way into this industry, or will I forever be a dreamless neckbeard?
It's hard for people in Japan to get into that industry, it's way harder for non-Japanese to get in.
The fact that you're a gaijin alone makes it impossible from what I've heard. Can't say from personal experience though
If you're not a weeaboo, and actually want to make something, western comics should be just fine for you. Publishers like Dark Horse do accept writing and story proposals. Just make a script and send it to them. They have guidelines and info on their website.
>read general how to draw comics stuff like "How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
Don't limit yourself to anime and manga. There's literally no way you're going to get into the industry. And if you have a passion for writing, what difference does is make where you write for?
Did you read what you just wrote? Although I agree with the learning of fundamentals part.
It's true, it doesn't really matter. I intend on writing novels, in time. I guess modern times has given me a fear of books turning into shitty 3D adaptions.
Also, thanks for caring Anon. I will be dutiful to my interests and not shirk hard work!
It shouldn't particularly matter if he writes for manga specifically, but each medium of writing is completely different. I could write a good VN but I wouldn't be able to do a book.
Talent can't be learned anon
>"How to Draw the Marvel Way," Scott McCloud's books, stuff like that.
No fuck you, that book is fucking the same as "How to draw mango" , Loomi, Vilppu
What gajiins have published manga and/or been involved in anime?
> I have no artistic talent. Is there a way into this industry
No, absolutely not. At best with a lot of hard work, the right connections and degree, you might make a marketing/PR job for Funimation/aniplex.
talent is just applied interest
However some talent needs practise before it actually surfaces.
Find something else to dedicate your life to. Trying to get in the industry is throwing away your life on a gamble and even if you succeed you will be pretty much a sweat shop worker.
The author of Peepo Choo. Paul Pope. Bahi JD. Da Hootch. I can't think of any others.
You can also write. Anybody can write.
>implying you can write
>I could write a good VN
Put your money where your mouth is. Write us a VN anon.
C...can I write it with you?
>>Talent can't be learned anon
Talent can't be learned, but he can learn how to draw comics. Whether or not he's good depends on his talent and how much he's willing to put into learning.
>>No fuck you, that book is fucking the same as "How to draw mango"
The "How to Draw Mango" books are written by sub-Deviant Art hacks peddling the same weeaboo character designs. The books I mentioned are written by published comic book artists. They're not the same.
Yeah, he should check them out, too. But that's just figure drawing, I was suggesting understanding-how-comics-work stuff.
He should learn to draw before he tries to make comics.
>Write us a VN anon.
give me an idea I like and a team plus feedback to keep me motivated and I'll write one in half the time it took those guys to write KS and it'll be ten times as good.
Felipe Smith published Peepo Choo for Kodansha in some alt-seinen magazine, Paul Pope published some short manga and worked as an assistant for a mangaka, some gaijin directed Tekonkinkreet, a couple of gaijins have worked in anime production.
don't forget money and software fag
>but I have no artistic talent.
Like most people working in the industry. You'll fit perfectly. Start with pornographic doujins. This is where all hacks start.
Which brings me to my question (even though I might already know the answer).
There's already a daily thread for /a/ drawfags -- why not one for /a/ writefags?
I'm not working with people who are in it for money, I refuse.
Beta guy gets bullied by sadist girls, he's motivated to change because he constantly gets made fun of. Bullies turn into love interests.
TBH you should consider yourself lucky if you get a shitty movie adaptation, even a terrible movie is a huge advertisement for the book it's adapted from. It was movies that truly turned Harry Potter, Twilight, and the Hunger Games into phenomenons.
So original and creative.
You need money to fund your project even if you lived in a fantasy world where /a/'s most talented NEETs sent you emails and you set off to work on a VN
HA HA HA HA HA HAH
There are way less writefags than drawfags and what constitutes 'good' writing will, to be perfectly honest, often mean that it has little or anything to do with anime or manga.
>Beta guy gets bullied by sadist girls, he's motivated to change because he constantly gets made fun of. Bullies turn into love interests.
Too cliche sounding, it sounds like something an edgy high schooler would right as escapism. The best thing I could do with that is have a twist sometime in the story that the entire story is actually written by said high schooler who is still being bullied and raped, and as the bullying gets worse the story he writes gets more and more fantastical until it makes a bigger trip than SHAFT shit.
There are free programs you can find. Anyone who wants payment for writing a VN won't be working with me, I want intrinsically motivated people on my team.
>>Start with pornographic doujins. This is where all hacks start.
It's a time-tested recipe for success.
Is that actually good?
There really aren't any writefags on /a/. There are some people who sit down and write some shit once in a while, even I did that once or twice, but nobody even bothers with names, not to mention tripcodes.
>Too cliche sounding, it sounds like something an edgy high schooler would right as escapism. The best thing I could do with that is have a twist sometime in the story that the entire story is actually written by said high schooler who is still being bullied and raped, and as the bullying gets worse the story he writes gets more and more fantastical until it makes a bigger trip than SHAFT shit.
Honestly, a better way of expressing yourself in this regard would be to say you're not going to pay anyone who doesn't have a professional writing credit to begin with, as the purpose of the project is to debut new talent.
That sounds a little less full-of-yourself.
Wow. It almost wanted me to join myself.
All VNs are cliche, you can breathe new life into the idea. Make it over the top or make it subtle.
I would be interested in a thread where people brainstorm VN concepts. Just for fun.
Surely we can come up with some interesting and original ideas? VNs tend to be so formulaic so much of the time...
That makes it sound like I'll pay if it's a professional. I don't want people who are only in it for the money.
Sure. You don't even need to be very good. Akamatsu is a shitty mangaka with crappy ideas and look how popular his garbage is. Otaku are stupid. Just cater to their tastes.
Disregard intestines and internal organs, acquire curves.
You don't have many options. For one, there's already a /vn/ general on /vg/.
Second, visual novels are not necessarily related to anime and manga -- unless they are based off of them.
But that would be fanfiction, wouldn't it, and a fanfiction thread on /a/ is -- well, I'm cringing as I type this.
Well, you can rephrase it however you want. But I guess what I'm saying is don't make it out like you're better than people who do it for money. People who do it for money are passionate about their art, too -- otherwise they wouldn't be working so hard at it to make a living. It's a very difficult thing to do. There's a few mega best sellers out there who are very rich, but most authors just make enough to get by.
I recently got an agent, and I don't like the implication that trying to make money means you're a sellout.
His anatomy is all kinds of fucked, but to me it's almost more interesting because of that.
>>That makes it sound like I'll pay if it's a professional
Just say it's a not-for-profit amateur work.
>>I don't want people who are only in it for the money.
Do you have some sort of hangup about people wanting to create something and getting paid for it?
Into the trash it goes
Is your ideal author the one who writes as a side job and self publishes on Amazon for no profit? Being an author is a job; the whole point is to write and get paid. And if you can get that royalty check, congratulations, you're a published author and someone thought your book was good enough to pay for.
The hypothetical VN isn't a job.
Nice bampu, /a/non.
>Publishers like Dark Horse do accept writing and story proposals. Just make a script and send it to them. They have guidelines and info on their website.
I'm retarded, please point it for me.