The subs I watched for Rebellion were in retardese. If you would be so kind, tell me whether or not I have the plot of this mess right:
Homura's Soul Gem was getting all shat up so the Coobs put it in a special box for scientific purposes. This is why Bizarro Mitakihara was actually Homuraland, right?
And so Sayaka and Nagisa, who are dead and also angels, come to bust Homura out of the box to take her to Madokaland where her soul will be at peace like a regular magical girl. Homura however does not want to leave Homuraland because somehow this will result in the Coobs finding out what a Madoka is. I don't know what the logic behind this is supposed to be.
And so Homura baits Madokami into almost pulling her out of the box and then does some shit to trap her in Homuraland, which is now endgame. Sayaka and Nagisa don't have a fucking clue what's going on anymore for some reason.
For those who saw the movie in theaters, are the subs I watched just the pinnacle of human retardation or is Rebellion actually that fucking stupid?
Wow, that spoilers are fucking annoying.
Either by capture or by actually running out of magic, Homura was captured by the Incubators. They put her in a box that put her in a statis that didn't make her a witch, but didn't make her a magical girl anymore. Their plan was to use this box to try and lure out Madoka.
Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa go into the witch's labyrinth created by Homura to destroy it and save Homura. However, so Madoka didn't get caught she lost her memories so only Sayaka and Nagisa went in with their memories because QB already knows about Sayaka and doesn't see her as a threat while Nagisa was also once a magical girl.
Homura despairs when she finds out it's all a fake and she's a witch.
Sayaka does some justice with the others and the box is broken and the Law of Cycles can take Homura to heaven.
Then Homura was a fucking cunt and ripped the human part of Madoka from the Law of Cycles.
It's not that stupid when you break it down in the simplest terms.
QB wanted to know what Madoka was.
Only Homura knew what Madoka was.
QB tries to create a science experiment to capture Madoka.
Sayaka and Nagisa foil QB.
Homura captures Madoka.
The logic behind find out what Madoka is so they can create witches because they're more powerful at defeating entropy or whatever.
So wait, why do the Incubators even care that Homura refers to what they know as the Law of Cycles as "Kaname Madoka"? Because Homura blabbed about the whole witch system in conjunction with Madoka and they thought it would be a lot more efficient energy-wise if they could recreate it?
Was there ever any certainty whatsoever that the special stasis box would successfully capture Madoka and lead to her being manipulated by the Incubators or did Homura just not want to take any chances? By what process did Homura manage to rip human Madoka out of the Law of Cycles? As in, just how the fuck did she do that exactly?
What is even going on with the universe now that the Law of Cycles is Madoka-less? Why the fuck is Homura a demon? Why was this even a movie?
>So wait, why do the Incubators even care that Homura refers to what they know as the Law of Cycles as "Kaname Madoka"? Because Homura blabbed about the whole witch system in conjunction with Madoka and they thought it would be a lot more efficient energy-wise if they could recreate it?
>Was there ever any certainty whatsoever that the special stasis box would successfully capture Madoka and lead to her being manipulated by the Incubators or did Homura just not want to take any chances?
The latter. Homura didn't want them getting any data on Madoka operating as the Law of Cycles at all.
>By what process did Homura manage to rip human Madoka out of the Law of Cycles? As in, just how the fuck did she do that exactly?
AI YO. Power of love, baby, power of love. Think of it as the fusion of hope and despair.
>What is even going on with the universe now that the Law of Cycles is Madoka-less?
It probably continues on as before.
>Why the fuck is Homura a demon?
She embraces the parallel.
>Why was this even a movie?
Shinbo wanted to continue the story and bring the characters back together. In other words, money.
When a magical girl despairs and become a witch, they produce a lot of fucking energy. Madoka stopped that in the series. However, Homura is a fucking cunt who couldn't stop talking about Madoka and they had no idea what she was talking about. So they decided to try and use Homura as a bait to see if Madoka actually existed. However, when she appeared in Homura's Labyrinth, Madoka was just a girl. That's why Sayaka and Nagisa are there. QB confirmed that Madoka is a real thing, but they were unable to confirm Madokami was a real thing. Sayaka and Nagisa were there to make sure QB did not capture the essence of Madokami.
Who knows? QB's people are a very advanced race. They were able to create a stable environment of a girl who should have become a witch and when she did they were still able to contain it. Not to mention that Homura was able to do it all by herself.
She ripped Madoka out of Madokami by using the power of love. Literally. The power of fucking love.
The Law of Cycles exists, but it's incomplete without Madoka. There's probably no Magical Girl Heaven or anything like that, but Magical Girls still don't become witches.
Homura calls herself a demon because she rebelled against God. She's not really a demon.
The movie was supposed to end with Homura going to Heaven, but SHAFT needed more money for Kizu.
>The Law of Cycles exists, but it's incomplete without Madoka. There's probably no Magical Girl Heaven or anything like that, but Magical Girls still don't become witches.
Total speculation that Magical Girl Heaven is gone. The other magical girls were already there and Homura did nothing to tamper with them. Gertrud's familiars are stuck on Earth and are shown collecting flowers for her, meaning that they are mostly harmless, so Gertrud is still purified.
No one really knows. We just know the Law of Cycles still exists as there are still no Witches, but no Madokami either.
It also wouldn't be hard to imagine that there is no Magical Girl heaven. Madokami no longer has the essence. She is literally a force now, that might just purify and there girl disappears forever.
>Why was this even a movie?
Because it was fun to watch!
But Madokami is much bigger than human Madoka. Homura didn't take any of Madokami's magical girl data, after all. Madokami probably just has gaps in her memory now.
Look at it this way. Did the Law of Cycles go into suspension while Madoka was in Homura's fake city? Of course not.
Maybe? We don't know if it even took place on Earth. The movie was fucked up.
The point is that without Madoka, Madokami essentially loses her essence and personality. So the law still runs, but it runs blindly. Stopping the witches and nothing more.
We visually saw Madokami fissioned into human Madoka and Madokami. That implies that Madokami continues to exist as a conscious entity. Though perhaps more spacey and Belldandy-like.
Wow, I don't even know what to say. I mean on one hand I guess the very basis of it all is a touch clever, as it's a hell of an exercise in hindsight when one seemingly harmless vent-session from Homura to QB becomes the stage for magical girl sacrilege. On the other, AI YO pretty much unraveled every bit of integrity this might have had and I'm so sick of Homura I don't think I even want to acknowledge her as a character anymore.
At any rate, thank you taking the time to help me clear this up.
>it's a hell of an exercise in hindsight when one seemingly harmless vent-session from Homura to QB becomes the stage for magical girl sacrilege.
A lot of us actually saw that coming. That was a very ominous remark by Kyuubey.
>On the other, AI YO pretty much unraveled every bit of integrity this might have had and I'm so sick of Homura I don't think I even want to acknowledge her as a character anymore.
The deus ex machina of AI YO is a problem, however the actual action is true to Homura's character and it's very debatable how wrong her action was, considering the happy result for everyone. Really, the biggest problem with it was the violation of Madoka that it was and the harm to their relationship that it may cause.
I would argue that Madokami is now a lifeless doll that just what she's supposed to now that Madoka is gone. The life has gone completely out of Madokami now and she probably just works as the invisible hand of the magical girl market.
I didn't see it coming. The non-spoiler was awesome and I can't believe I did.
Also, Sayaka was not happy.
Its possible Homura was also amazingly powerful due to her timeloops. It worked for Madoka.
An alternate explaination is that her ability to do this is the fullfillment of her wish to "protect Madoka"
I think Madokami now exists in a state similar to Mytho from Princess Tutu.
Her wish was just to meet Madoka again and have her avoid her original fate. She actually accomplishes this.
Do you guys not remember the fact that from what we saw of earth it was basically desert and ruins, madoka fucked up and homura fixed it by trapping the universe in her own little labyrinth thing.
Homura did everything right
Or nuclear war happened between the humans or Homura has been alive for millions of years.
Why would the world turn into a desert wasteland because Madoka put witches in time-out? That makes no fucking sense
but the non magical girls that also got trapped in the labyrinth are the same age as they were in the series.
A world full of witches was more efficient than one full of wraiths, wraiths eventually over powered magical girls and everything died. They were better off with the witches
>Its possible Homura was also amazingly powerful due to her timeloops. It worked for Madoka.
Yeah. Except Homura had already made her wish, so it wasn't her magical girl powers that built up karmic potential, but rather her witch transformation, which was the sum of every Homura from all previous timelines.
They were on QB's planet? I don't fucking know. The last scene of the anime was fucking retarded and the place they were at didn't fucking look like Earth.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE LAW OF CYCLES ANYWAY
Madokami can't exist anymore, she is probably in Homura's soul orb.
Law of Cycles doesn't work like it did before (if it still exists), because Sayaka was too mad about it.
It's Madokami now.
Or maybe those Wraiths have things like barriers similar to how witches do and that particular barrier looked like a desert.
Salvation for all magical girls bringing by Madokami
They were on Earth! Homura collapsed in the desert, the Incubators found and trapped her, and she sent her familiars to lure in the rest of the cast. Since the normal humans were there too, the city is almost certainly intact.
There's just a large, desolate area outside the city somewhere nearby.
Law of Cycles still does work and Madokami can exist again. As you see with Madoka almost breaking free of Homura's universe. The only difference I can think of is that Magical Girl Heaven can't exist, but everything else does still exist.
>Law of Cycles doesn't work like it did before (if it still exists), because Sayaka was too mad about it.
Sayaka didn't know shit except that she, personally, was cut off and trapped on Earth.
We DBZ now?
She knew for about 15 seconds before she lost her memory.
How did you know I was thinking exactly of that?
>We need to go to some place that's completely desolate and that would never be in real life at all and it's huge, it's a bajillion miles wide and it's nowhere to be found on Earth but it's right over there
Oh the memories...
it didnt look like earth cuz earth got fucked the hell up
Well in that case, Homura saved the Earth from being fucked up by the inevitable side effects of Madoka's wish.
Not really, there is a scene where they show how Mami and Kyouko got captured inside the Labyrinth and you can see they were just minding their own business in the city.
She ripped Madoka out of Madokami by using the power of love. Literally. The power of fucking love.
THE REASON SHE WAS ABLE TO DO THAT WAS BECAUSE HER ORIGINAL WISH OVERLAPPED WITH MADOKA'S
Really? Do you have that?
In what way? Madokami doesn't need protecting.
Its during QBs explanation of their isolation field. Everyone that was brought in was just minding their own business in the real world. Looked like they just walk through a random doorway (like to go to a ramen shop or something) and ended up in faketown.
I don't have any copy of the movie with me, but when Coobie was explaining to Homura how the barrier around her works and how she subconsciously lured inside anyone show had a connection with Madoka they have couple of shots with Kyouko and Mami walking around in the city before entering into buildings and disappearing.
>In what way? Madokami doesn't need protecting.
She wanted to save Madoka, so altering the whole universe so that Madoka can live a normal life instead of spending eternity rescuing magical girls is entirely inside the scope of her wish
I'm so confused because this would have to predate them being a magical girl team. Otherwise everyone would know each other.
Except that wasn't her wish. Her wish was to redo her meeting with Madoka while it may be added in some translations and be strong enough to protect her.
This is not protecting her.
>I'm so confused because this would have to predate them being a magical girl team. Otherwise everyone would know each other.
No, chronologically it would be after Sayaka blows up in the new timeline. Everyone's memories were altered by the barrier in the first place, including Homura's
That's a problem then. However, shouldn't there memories have gone back to normal after the barrier was down?
How is it a problem? And yes, they reclaimed their memories in bits over time. After their fight Mami remembered that they're supposed to be fighting Wraiths, not Nightmares and became confused. Kyouko apparently had "dreams" that Sayaka was dead. The barrier drops shortly before the world is reset again anyway, so it doesn't matter much.
>That's a problem then. However, shouldn't there memories have gone back to normal after the barrier was down?
They did. Mami and Kyouko remembered everything (at least from Wraith World timeline) in the brief interval between the barriers shattering and AI YO.
It was a very twisted way of protecting her from the results of her own wish.
I was mistaken.
I suppose, but I don't like it. Bullshit love seems more likely.
>I suppose, but I don't like it
Welcome to the "Fuck you, why the fuck would you do that, Urobutcher" club.
So what happened to magical girls after Madokami? They supposedly went to a magical girl "heaven"?
The first 2/3 of this threads grammar was digusting so I had a hard time understanding some things
And is whether Madokami still exists after Homura pulled her out is pure speculation? Also how did pulling her out result in a new universe/rewinded time back to school? Was that Homuras time control?
Madokami exists, but she is inactive.
All universe is now devil Homura's witch barrier. There are no rewinded time anymore.
>And is whether Madokami still exists after Homura pulled her out is pure speculation?
Yeah, no one knows for sure.
>Also how did pulling her out result in a new universe/rewinded time back to school?
Homura used her powers and altered the universe so Madoka still exists as a physical person.
Thats wrong. Im not that stupid.
Madokami is inactive, she is probably sealed in Homura's soul orb. But she can be awaken, if Homura doesn't stop her.
Homura turned into more than a witch, something like super witch of love - devil. We saw that her barrier covered the universe.
At her world is filled with her minions.
To be more precise Homura used the phase change of her emotions, the hope that made up Madokami, etc., into love, which is a higher-energy emotion.
She's still active, otherwise witches would exist, which currently, they don't.
>The subs I watched for Rebellion were in retardese.
Or maybe the whole movie is retarded.
She seemed pretty happy to me being paired with the best girl.