oh my god fuck off
oh my god jc a bomb
how long are you going to try to force this
By everlasting argument, that Hameru did nothing wrong.
Homura is the best girl, but you guys should stop making these threads.
>Homura is the best girl
And that's where you fucked up
>telling the truth
Not how it works.
I do understand that it's true these threads should stop. That isn't where you fucked up.
Just to avoid confusion, Homura is the best girl. Anyway, no fuck ups in >>100592520.
>no fuck ups in fucked up post contained within another false post
>he actually thinks Homura isn't the best girl
>Homura is the best girl
She was until Rebellion.
>white knighting this hard
It doesn't matter what thread it is. All Homu threads are Madoka genereals.
Do you guys think is Homu into anal?
Not even then.
Is Madoka into anal?
If the answer is yes, the Homu is too.
No, Homura was a damn good character in the original work. A time traveler with PTSD forced to watch her best friend die over and over until she finds a way to save her, getting more jaded and emotionally wrecked every time.
And she's still exactly the same. The only difference now is that she became more commanding over Madoka. Still best girl.
Madoka finally escaped the cycle of death by ceasing to be a person.
Homura goes "Nope, not saved enough" and breaks god by pulling Madoka out of it.
Which isn't saying much considering that she never was the best.
Because her goal evolved from "protect Madoka" to "protect Madoka and make her happy." Another motivation may be that she wants to be with Madoka, but that's just a theory.
>She is the perfect and the best girl of all time in Rebellion
Madoka, stop looking at Homura's lips like that.
If she wanted to be with Madoka, all she had to do was lay there.
And Madoka is happy and satisfied, Homura only believes otherwise because she misinterpreted the flower field scene.
>still denying it this hard
It almost seems like Homura believed up until then that that wasn't the real Madoka.
That's literally what she says in that scene.
She thought that Madoka was a fabrication until talking to her in the field.
Still can't accept the TRUTH
What will it take for Homufags to stop loving Homura?
DID EVERYTHING RIGHT
SAVED ANIME BY APPEARING IN REBELLION
Homura should take better care of her teeth.
GTFO you satanists
She literally calls herself the devil.
I don't have to accept anything, you're the one forcing it.
Devil isn't synonymous with Satan.
Why don't we just make best meguca thread aka Sayaka thread out of this 0/10?
The average person isn't gonna get the details of Judeo-Christian lore/mythos.
Most people think Satan and Lucifer are the same guy.
Keep in mind, you're watching an anime. I don't know if Christianity is prominent in Japan, but it's something to think about when making these connections.
>Most people think Satan and Lucifer are the same guy.
They are in most modern interpretations. Technically, Lucifer in the Bible is just a poetic reference to Nebuchadrezzar.
Homura is a creep
And a weirdo. What the hell is she doing there?
If you're going to dump, at least dump in the right place. Help her thread become the best thread on /c/.
Question for you guys--why are you Homu?
For me, it's identification. By seeking to understand Homura, I've come to understand myself better as an ISTP.
She can't touch Madoka in timestop, because she'll reawaken. So only way to do it is when Madoka is asleep.
she is just too fabulous
and her story is very sad and very compelling
I found her inspiring, endearing, and relatable. Repeated failure and stagnation are two things I struggle with. I gave up but Homu keeps going. I will always root for her.
Well, even that she 'keeps going' is always in danger of stagnating. The pragmatist needs sensory satisfaction. Without it, they fall into schizoid tendencies.
In the timeloops, Homura is always able to engage herself and perceive the results of her actions. She is able to keep going because Madoka is always close by. But she is no visionary. There is no way she could ever be content with the series ending in the long run.
Because in the end, she will forget Madoka. And then she will be alone.
...which is exactly what happens in Rebellion.
I love the character who struggle and oppose against destiny. Especially in SF term, time-loop. I've seen many such kind of story in US/UK stories.
Found the answer finally and breaking the loop is always catharsis.
>even that she 'keeps going' is always in danger of stagnating.
Precisely. It's a paradox of sorts than can only be solved by continuing to 'go'. Very interesting thoughts, anon.
Makes sense to me. Sensing-Perceiving people need to affirm themselves through contact, and I can see Homulilly/AkuHomu as Schizoid. They shun social contact and live in their own personal fantasies.
I wonder what Homura's personal fantasy world consists of. And yes, it would consist of more than just photographs of Madoka.
>I wonder what Homura's personal fantasy world consists of.
We saw it in the first part of Rebellion.
If it had kept going without disturbance, it probably would have progressed to Sakura Trick-level yuri.
Didn't Kyubey manufacture that world?
>No Nomura x hinji pics
life is suffering
No, they trapped Homura in her own soul gem.
Homura manufactured the world herself.
It's her ideal world, until she started to question it.
No. Kyubey just stuck Homura in a Schrödinger's Box when she was on the verge of running out of mana / being overcome by despair. As a side effect of the isolation field, her Soul Gem couldn't break and turn into a Grief Seed, so she generated a labyrinth *inside* her Soul Gem. Kyubey had no idea that such a strange thing would happen. The world inside was entirely Homura's.
Does that mean Homura's moe side is still in their somewhere?
There's also something to Madoka braiding her hair.
Is this implied our outright stated?
There were like 4 minutes straight of exposition about it.
All of the Homuras are part of her, yes. Though Moe Homura in the fake town was a lot more confident than the original Moe Homura ever was.
When? I haven't seen the movie in two months.
When she's trying to kill all the coobies
Why the hell do all these super cute japanese girls never star in porn?
Was the OP part of that world too?
Also apparently they're looking directly at each other while running, their faces an inch away. It's cut off in the cam rip.
Because they have self-respect
What the fuck is AI YO?
There are plenty of cute Japanese porn actresses.
>Was the OP part of that world too?
Op is just fanservice.
Ai yo, come the fuck on.
The OP is symbolic, not necessarily real. It's sometimes actively deceptive, too - see Connect.
>Also apparently they're looking directly at each other while running, their faces an inch away. It's cut off in the cam rip.
Well, of course. Madoka was makin' her move here.
Is that phyrexian oil?
Madoka is the one leading Homura in the OP, but the ending it looks like Homura is leading Madoka.
What shameless pandering. So out of character. Disgusting.
>out of character
Yeah. Madoka isn't like that. If they're going to do yuri pandering, I wish they'd at least do so convincingly.
I think you're misunderstanding who was always the aggressor in the Madoka/Homura relationship. At most, Homura only tried to reach the level of intimacy that they had previously. Madoka was the one who escalated things, at least up until AI YO.
What are you talking? Madoka is always the one who start that kind of physical contact.
There's a difference between giving your friend a hug because you're proud of them and bumping your ass into them in a flirty manner.
I think she calls herself a demon. There's probably no real difference in japanese terms.
In western culture, "the devil" and even "demon" mean something far different than what Japan might define it as.
I'm pretty sure it's almost universally bad in western culture, but in the east I think it's just an attachment to the mortal world.
Madoka is literally humping Homura there.
With her stomach I guess. Seems a lot more like a hug than a sexual move.
That happens in the dream world of Homura and you have to keep in mind that Madoka is much more confident when she's a magical girl and have someone who cares about.
When you consider what Sayaka must have done to Madoka over the years, is it any wonder she acts a bit lewd herself?
Movie is a shit
>dat Madoka leg movement.
jesus, Madoka. that's borderline Sakura Trick-level behavior.
>That happens in the dream world of Homura
No, it happens in the opening which means it didn't happen.
Neither did Luminous, but it still got referenced twice.
That's what I said?
The point is that it doesn't matter at all and is just fanservice for you low-brow yurifags.
Man, and I thought all this time that only Homura was the raving lesbian of the two and Madoka was just looking for a BFF-level friendship.
Ah, there it is. I couldn't find the screenshot.
Facing each other, running hip n' hip.
Also note that this is the cool beauty Homura. Maybe that has some influence on Madoka being more flirtatious instead of glomping her like she would do to adorable insecure Moemura.
But Luminous matter, just for Luminous we can assume that the OPs of the movies are things that really don't happen but are things that Homura wants, her ideal world.
I can't help but think that Madoka is going to become infatuated with Akuma Homura, while Homura tries to coolly keep a bit of distance due to the gap between them.
>just for Luminous we can assume that the OPs of the movies are things that really don't happen but are things that Homura wants
How do you even come to that conclusion? That makes absolutely zero sense.
See image >>100601322
Enough with entropy, law of cycles and incubator logic!
All I want to know is this inquiry that has plagued my mind since 2011:
are Madoka's pubes pink?
Referencing something from the opening doesn't make things that happen in the open a part of the actual movie. There's no connection at all.
No, it's delicious chocolate
Would Kyouko and possibly Mami become Chaos Lords should someone challenge Homu's world?
Or at least Homura would recruit them so she could pit them against Sayaka and Nagisa for her own amusement.
No, that's a stupid idea, just stop.
Those toenails need to be trimmed.
I hate when they give female characters long toenails.
So we will have in S2 and S3, you know it WILL HAPPEN a light vs dark mahou shoujo gang wars?
I became the devil before it was cool
I think it will be another movie that resolves the situation. Shinbo said that he considers the TV series and movies to be separate continuities.
>she could pit them against Sayaka and Nagisa for her own amusement.
That doesn't seem like something Homura would do.
No, the series has always been about gray, take the series in that direction would be fucking retarded.
The old Homura, no. Akuma Homura who teases Sayaka about destroying the world sounding like a fine idea, though? And who would probably be very upset about having to fight Madoka and eager to make the others feel the same way as her?
though I can see the MMORPG going that way.
JESUS CHRIST THAT PICTURE.
MY EVER SUFFERING SIDES
Everyone who worship Homura and Homulilly must be claimed as heretics and must be purged by the name of our true godess.
Probably the best OC from /a/ on Rebellion.
Yeah, nah, Homura would prefer to handle everything herself that involve other people more.
> then she became even bester girl
There, I added your missing premise
Again, this is a Homura whose greatest enemy is boredom. She can deal with them all with a thought. It would be diverting to make them fight each other.
Her greatest enemy is herself.
Kyubey Route for true Neutral route.
>this is a Homura whose greatest enemy is boredom.
You are retarded.
Exactly. Homura has decided to play the villain, and what's more villainous than making the heroes fight each other, for fun?
You see Homura as a sadist who puts people through pain for fun. She's never been portrayed as such.
>You see Homura as a sadist who puts people through pain for fun. She's never been portrayed as such.
But what if Homura is my otg?
I think so too, considering Madoka kept the ribbons Homura gave her. It means despite the surprise she might have, the emotions and sincerity Homura showed had an impact on Madoka.
It's not like Homura is receptive to anyone else anyway. Or at the very least, there's a universal bias towards Madoka, which she might try to hide to avoid complications.
That wasn't for fun, that was out of spite.
Not really. IIRC, Homura didn't really express any pleasure and harming Kyubey. She just hates him. You're probably right though. In the next installment, she'll be sadistic and a generic evil devil.
>muh black and white
>muh forced sequels
Homu a cute
>Kyubey: Hey, good job brainwashing Madoka into being lesbian for you!
>Homura: Liar. I did no such thing.
>Kyubey: Oh? Then why'd you send her to America?
>Kyubey: Can you be sure that you aren't mind-controlling her unconsciously?
>Kyubey: Well, you know what you have to do now.
>Homura: I have to push Madoka from me away by acting as evil as possible, to protect her from myself!
Homura doesn't hate any of them. She actively brings about a happier world for them. She could have left them dead or undimensioned or whatever, but she understands that part of Madoka's world is her friends, and happy. If Madoka made a new friend she would either treat them kindly, if distantly, or edit their memories if she felt like they were detrimental to Madoka.
Why does Shaft stil do side mouth when they have big budget?
She smashed Mami's teacup, wasted Kyouko's apple, that's symbolism of cutting their relations and declining from everything that happened before.
Remember this scene after Madoka made her wish in 12th episode.
Why didn't Homura just kill assassinate Mami before she met madoka?
I thought she was supposed to have a mind of steel
Waste of a potential resource against Walpurgis Night.
>mind of steel
frodo posts used to have a valid point..
Think about that scene and the scene at the end of Rebellion.
She unlikely thought about other girls at all.
so Homu is homo?
Homura has very high emotional fortitude. It's unreal how strong her mind is.
even if she tried, Mami would just pull some bullshit out her tits like she usually does.
Just because she disconnected herself from them doesn't mean she hates them.
As I said, Homura's conception of Madoka's ideal world includes all of Madoka's friends.
She is strong but she would never just coldly murder one of them. That's not how she does things.
So is QuarterBack put Homura into the isolated area to see if Madokami was real in order to take control of her and manipulate her to give off endless energy?
It is a valid point, it would be completely in the realm of possibility for Homu to stop time, set explosives wherever Mami is, and then detonate them.
Kind of like what Kerry did to fast wheels
Pretty much. Well, his stated goal was to make witches again, but sticking a power tap into Madokami would be even better if possible, of course.
They are NOT Madoka's friends anymore, because they have very bad influence on her (from Homura's point of view).
Sayaka and Kyouko ignored Madoka when she came to class as transfer student.
Kyouko I can understand, but Sayaka not knowing her is bizarre. How much did Homura edit?
Homura would kill again if the situation called for it. Maybe not with as little hesitation as Mami, but she could probably do it. She killed Madoka after all.
Yeah, this is what I fear most. Madoka good, Homura bad.
And then Homura does a bunch of evil things which make no sense, but that's just what evil people do.
It'll probably stay ambiguous, and it'll probably still somehow maintain some framework of competing philosophical perspectives, which is what Gen wanted to present it as with the desires vs order thing.
But I'm not sure, since he seems to suggest that Sayaka has to defeat Homura, which implies that Homura is absolute evil, since she needs to be defeated.
I agree, but that wasn't exactly "coldly murdering."
Did you even watch the movie? Sayaka got massive brainwashing before that.
Sayaka is Homura's tool for blowing off steam.
>But I'm not sure, since he seems to suggest that Sayaka has to defeat Homura, which implies that Homura is absolute evil, since she needs to be defeated.
No, he answered a direct query asking if Sayaka could be the new protagonist by saying that she has the potential to be a "Lone Hero", i.e. the only sane one who rants about how Homura's behind everything and tries to marshal them together and restore their memories. And Sayaka's self-righteousness is one of her own flaws, too.
I don't think that Madoka will be as hostile to Homura as Sayaka.
Yup, it's unfortunate. Madoka will turn black and white and forego the ambiguity that made the original series and Rebellion good. Urobuchi will probably shed a tear.
There's a difference between removing Sayaka's memories of her recent, now-retconned past and completely changing her childhood friendship with Madoka that goes way back to when Madoka was still in Japan as a kid.
Great you're one month late
I like Homusaya but this reasoning is pretty wack
Well, if Sayaka ignored Madoka in classroom, that means they never were friends.
Replace "defeated" with "saved"
Shinbo will make sure all five girls stay alive and connected for more sequels
Homura doesn't need saving. A shift in her philosophy via some uninspired, bland justice speech from Sayaka would mark the end of the franchise's integrity.
Law vs Chaos isn't exactly black and white battle though.
Although Homura certainly acts like she's evil because she believes following her wishes and desires is an evil act.
HomuSaya is a purely sexual pairing and pretty wack to begin with. You can't make it make sense any other way.
>Homura doesn't need saving.
>this is what Homufags believe
Madoka will be the one to save her, using the same power that Homura used against her.
>Homura needs saving
>this is what retards actually believe
The familiars wanted an apple from Kyouko, though.
Homura subconsciously wants their friendship, but on a conscious level she won't accept it.
And he also said, specifically, "Sayaka is the only one who can defeat Homura".
Homura is an emotional wreck with PTSD who keeps trying to save a girl who's already been saved.
Yet she still handles herself just fine and is doing everything right.
Also the tea was sitting on the table she was at. She subconsciously put it there, but her conscious self rejects it. She knocks it away and it breaks, which Mami seems to notice.
I really makes me sad that there are people who believe this.
>waaaah people draw different ideas from art and come to different conclusions than I do
Interviewer: If there is a sequel, will Sayaka become the protagonist?
Urobuchi: Sayaka is in a unique position in the movie. It is indeed possible that she may become a lone hero (protagonist). She is the only one who can counter Homura.
Sayaka doesn't have the power to defeat Homura, but she's the only one aware of Homura being a devil, and so would be the start of the resistance.
Well, assuming that Homura didn't screw up and neglect to edit Nagisa's memories because she was acting like she didn't care anyway. That would be pretty funny. "Oh yeah, Homura brainwashed you all and took over the world. Pass the cheese."
That's not chocolate, you faggot. We've had this discussion before.
It was tagged as chocolate on Gelbooru.
Because Gelbooru is always accurate, right?
Then what's on her foot?
That picture would be so much easier for me to enjoy if it wasn't so out of character.
Sayaka isn't about JUSTICE anymore at this point, she's motivated by her loyalty to Madoka and faith in her ideals of hope.
What's the difference?
Nah, Sayaka is still a justicefag deep down. It will be the end of her again. I hope the next installment reminds us that you can't change.
What are you talking? Is obvious a photo for Madoka.
That should be fairly obvious. It's not her own ideals she's fighting for.
Deep down sure, but it's not what motivates her to oppose Homura.
But anon she's already dead.
>mark the end of the franchise's integrity
Maybe it's just me, but Homura taking glamor shots seems very far-fetched. It's not something she would do. Anyway, anon, reread your post. It's time for you to go to sleep.
Nah, it wouldn't be a bland justice speech. It would be Sayaka somehow helping Homura, or taking some burden upon herself.
It'd be some weird situation where Sayaka considers Homura to be wrong, or doing wrong, and the opportunity comes up to interfere or make things difficult for Homura, but she does something weird/different that doesn't cause any harm, or that Homura never expected.
Either way, Sayaka is going to play a role that Gen describes as "lone hero". I hope it's a more ambiguously optimistic one, instead of Sayaka crushing Homura's evil dreams, the sequel.
I don't think you really "get" doujins
>Sayaka crushing Homura's evil dreams, the sequel.
This is all we're getting. Homura bad. Sayaka good. Cheer for Sayaka! Hate Homura! Good prevails!! To death with evil doers.
Hey, not necessarily. Rebellion brought up a bunch of interesting themes and stuff, surely a sequel could too.
Why do you think this is going to happen? Everyone knows Homura isn't evil.
I hope so. It's my dream to fuck homu in the butt.
Because of that interview where Urobuchi says something about Sayaka being the only one who can "save" Homura.
>Everyone knows Homura isn't evil.
If only. A lot of Madoka fans are dumb.
We just covered this.
Sayaka doesn't see it like that, probably not Kyoko, Mami will try to understand but Homura will tell her "fuck you" as usual.
>Mami will try to understand
Oh you silly.
Well obviously, she sees Homura as a devil because she called herself one. She's acting exactly like a cliche villain. I think Madoka is the only one who could understand exactly why Homura does what she does.
But he was talking about a sequel where the "evil" is defeated.
Yes Sayaka defeat "evil" because she sees Homura as evil, why is that so hard to understand?
>Obligatory best girl post.
You're all welcome.
No need, I already have a best girl.
What? Mami always try to hear what Homura says but Homura always fails to explain properly.
You people literally look for reasons to be pessimistic. Remember when the Rebellion PV that has them all having fun came out?
He was saying that it will be a cliche where Homura is evil and Sayaka good.
>Cheer for Sayaka! Hate Homura! Good prevails!! To death with evil doers.
Remember when the new world was obviously unstable due to being made and controlled by a psychotic girl?
This motherfucker knows whats up.
Maybe you should actually watch the movie instead of drooling over your favorite girl then.
I watched it and I don't remember an unstable world.
And she already put the ribbons on Madoka, it's over anon.
Kyouko was already posted though.
>people think yuri is canon
I love yuri but don't delude the plot just to get your rocks off and then insist you are correct.
Familiars are running around, that should not be possible under the Law of Cycles.
Who are you fucking talking to?
probably like 7 hour old posts
Ribbon Homu legs are the best legs.
Her legs are always nice though.
How are they any different from regular Homu legs?
They are more wise.
>announcing your reports
good job being a faggot
Why is it dark brown?
holy shit I hadn't even noticed it was Mami
Is made of magic so maybe it works different or Mami doesn't know that is supposed to be white.
more importantly, why is it there at all
Sorry, it's not even about yuri. They're such a perfect couple that their relationship works regardless of gender.
Go away /u/
I don't see yuri in that image, or in this one.
No but Sayaka does look like a faggot
>mfw anti gender tumblr fags are now synonymous with /u/
Sayaka is a bitch.
Have you visited /u/ recently? It's crawling with tumblr.
Thanks for sharing.
Who would you rather be in the image?
See personally I would have to politely decline a Luminous from Homulily.
Really? It seems like she has the softest cheeks.
Jesus, those faces
Is that glare really necessary?
I mean the full witch form. She's part skeleton and has most of her face missing. That's weird.
You can't Luminous without a cheek, anon.
Homura isn't weird!
Just pick it up and put it back on.
Homura is super weird.
Your face is super weird.
She doesn't even have any skin anymore.
Not as weird as Homura's face.
That's not weird! That's amazingly pale!
That image would be better if it were a Homura's doll or QB or something.
I think it's supposed to represent the splitting in half bit.
Akemi Homura did nothing wrong!
Is it okay to expose a little girl to immoral lewdness?
I think she was already exposed, since she's paired with the lewdest girl.
Say to that to her face fucker not online and see what happens.
You mean Sayaka?
Sayaka's not the one with the permanent rapeface.
But mami is lewdest, Anon
All she wanted was hot, steamy, Sexdoka, but this is what she got.
>Not the purest girl
...My god, anon.
Mami only has a lewd body but no a lewd mind, Sayaka has both.
It wasn't really meant as an insult.
She's not really lewd, she's just softer than other megucas.
Except that's wrong, Sayaka is a pure maiden in love.
She's a slut in both heart and body, anon, the sooner you realize, the better
Why did they have to add "pupils" to BB's witch form? They are still cute but a little disturbing.
No, she's not, she's a good girl and I don't appreciate your slander.
Why did they have to add "pupils" to BB's witch form?
She is still cute like that but a little disturbing.
I find still images of Bebe to be disturbing, but once you see her move around and talk she's adorable.
But yeah Charlotte's doll eyes were cute too.
>wants to fuck Kyousuke, Madoka and Kyouko
>not a slut
Because you are supposed to be disturbed
How the fuck? Fucking captcha.
If you say so. Softness I'm sure Nagisa would be most familiar with.
Now you're just being silly.
Sayakafags denying reality? Call me surprised.
No anon, you aren't surprised. You're silly.
Sayaka is a player. She makes advances on everyone just to see who bites.
>Sayaka actually being useful
You mean slut.
>Mami = Diminutive of mother/mom in spanish
>BB = Bebe (spanish) = Baby
Did they do this stuff on purpose?
>Homura ever beating Mami
I really like Mami in that image but Nagisa ruins it, I hate that this will be my everyday in the second season.
No, you're imagining things.
Yes, by Inu Curry request
>Can't appreciate Mami finally being happy and not alone
What kind of Mamifag are you?!
Seriously guys, there's nothing inherently wrong with Nagisa, she just has to get more development. I don't see why so many people hate her.
I don't think Mami would share your opinion.
She was happy and not alone at the end of the series, Nagisa is just a shitty character.
Nagisa gives her a reason to be responsible and level-headed. Without her, you wouldn't have a live Mami to adore.
Did you mean 'color me surprised'?
Gotta post the song that goes along with that (and this) image.
So if Mami had actually managed to shoot Homura in the face during their fight would she just suddenly stop and go "Oh God, I'm sorry are you ok?!"
I mean its strange that she's willing to shoot her in the head during the fight, but then panics and tries to stop Homura when she shoots herself.
You say that as if Nagisa was the only capable of doing that, literally any of the other girls can do that role.
Mami doesn't stand a chance at beating her now. She's not a meguca or a witch, she's a devil-goddess.
pedo as fuck
does Mami's drills really taste like cheese?
I don't think she was aiming to kill, besides that Homura had her timestop active the whole time.
I think there's some reference I'm not getting here.
It's not even deep, in my case at least. It literally means that in my native language, so I just can't read those names without the implication being totally explicit ;_;
shit Mami, don't lose your head
I don't have that problem because it's pronounced Bébe and not Bebé
Fairly certain it's meant to be a play on the lyrics with "bye bye bye" as "pai pai pai" (ぱい) as in... you know, oppai.
One does have to wonder how that conversation went. I doubt Sayaka's house is even very big, taking in an extra person isn't exactly trivial.
Yeah, they probably should of just stuck to Kyoko living with Mami just to deal with the problem of parents.
She'd be the Robin to Mami's Batman.
>Shinbo: Sayaka x Kyouko. Money. Make so.
You skipped a few pages.
Nah, if they can afford to go to fancy concerts on occasion then they're probably making decent enough extra income here. Supporting two children is still doable I'd take it even if they had to cut back somewhat.
Not to mention if Sayaka mentioned the whole "dead parents" and "Living on the streets" thing they might be more inclined.
THEN HOW WILL KYOKO AND SAYAKA MAKE FORBIDDEN LOVE?
Sayaka is the most feasible to take another person in there, since she actually has parents that work unlike Mami who's parents are dead.
how many times are you going to force this bullshit
Literally in every extra material Mami takes Kyouko in her house without any problem, what the fuck are you talking about.
There are a lot of things wrong with your post
Exactly how do you convince your parents to let a homeless stranger to live with them without them just calling the Japan equivalent to Child Protective Services?
She could have lived with Homura too, if she could handle an autistic lesbian.
I don't follow the filename.
>Child Protective Services
>existing in anime
They're occupied, or weren't you paying attention?
There are a lot of things wrong with his post
Pretty sure the family of Kyousuke gave them the tickets, they have been friends since childhood after all.
The same way you convince your mother to let you go outside in the walpurgis storm.
Would rich people tend to hang out with other rich people though? Not saying Sayaka's family is in the same wealth class as Kyousuke's but it's probably higher than Middle Class.
I don't know how she's surviving off her parents life insurance at present, but it's not some infinite spring of money. Sure it's fine for her to live off of but I just don't know if it was set up to hold multiple people like that in case of incidental death. That money has to last her a life time here, or until she finally gets a job.v Although Mami definitely seems to have redecorated her apartment after the movies in a very pricey looking way, so chances are she has enough to splurge on occasionally or she's just good at cutting back enough for such things.
Maybe her parents were rich, and that's how she can afford cakes every day, or she's just not had much chance to really use it before this point. Seems odd that she'd have that kind of money flowing in though, not that I really know what average coverage is in that case.
Yeah, is not like people can multitask or something.
Maybe it's not such a big deal. Sayaka just reached out to her first, and maybe once Mami gets Bebe/Madoka/Moemura, she isn't so keen to take care of Kyouko if someone else is there for her.
It's a joke on the Rugrats "deedee this some nasty coffee" image.
>Although Mami definitely seems to have redecorated her apartment after the movies in a very pricey looking way
Maybe it's all made from magic ribbons?
Do you think Mami would create that ribbon clone so she could have someone to have tea with when she was alone?
Sayaka says she's not rich in episode 1 I think, but she's probably comfortable middle class at least. Everyone in Mitakihara seems to have a pretty good quality of life. Except Poorfag.
But the tits game rediculous?
Maybe we're over-thinking this since it's just a set-up dream scenario created by Homura in order to fit what "she' believed was the best solution to all of their issues.
"Yes, pair the red one and the blue one together, that works". After all she saw Kyouko's determination for Sayaka in the second to last time-line, so she probably wanted that wish to come true in some small part.
She didn't really factor in Bebe as much who just ended up going with Mami, or maybe she did.
You can't solve all your problems with magic ribbons.
We don't even know how Mami gets money, saying that she will have trouble supporting another person is stupid.
The fact is, no one could do what Nagisa managed to do.
Face it, Mami needs a little innocent girl she can take care of that can keep her occupied. That's why she went after Madoka(who went after Homura).
Nagisa won't leave or NTR her.
Her apartment looks the same when she dies and Madoka goes there alone.
We don't even know how Mami gets money, saying that she won't have trouble supporting another person is stupid.
Seems like her parents life insurance would be the most probable, after all we've never seen her with a job, and if she was living off of another family member she'd probably be living with them as well.
Her parents were rich as all fuck.
Just to be clear, nothing at the end of Rebellion points to Sayaka and Kyoko still living together right?
She's right on that part.
>no one could do what Nagisa managed to do.
Madoka and Kyouko.
Not actually, no, people just assume it. They're definitely friends at least.
It's still Homura's world, and in the last scene we see them hanging out in slow-mo.
We can say it's "likely" as this is still the world of Homura's delusion. But I see nothing that really proves it for the most part.
I don't get it, just because something is possible and you want it to happen, it should happen?
So how would you spread the message of the Lord to magical girls?
>Jesus is like a giant endless grief seed, and so long as you come to Him with a confessing heart purification is always assured.
Some people just don't want Nagisa to exist, so they'll take anything no matter how impracticable over her.
That's terrible advice, you'd just get a bunch of girls killed if they believed that
Christianity could work perfectly well alongside being a magical girl.
I don't see why people single Nagisa out. Everyone who isn't Homura plays a supporting role in Rebellion, and the reason why they were all brought back to life is to return the status quo to set up for a sequel where the entire cast is present.
Mami is a pedo
Just ask Kyouko
I do have to question why the magical girl that witched and killed Mami is getting a role.
Kyouko's dad was a heretic, it couldn't be helped.
"You see, Jesus is alot like Ms. Tomoe's noggin'."
No, I would like that they maintain consistency and not introduce useless characters only to move the story forward.
>we said he's 'like' a grief seed, we didn't say he actually was one...it's a metaphor girls...
because her role literally duplicates sayaka's she feels like a new character to cash in on new character hype
Because Charlotte is a popular witch, so they introduced her human form here. She's probably the most popular outside of Walpugis, and they couldn't bring in Walmart since it's already stated that she's actually like twenty witches rolled together.
She didn't munch Mami in the final time-line, so there's nothing to be sorry about for her.
Another god for Homura to rip in half?
>purposely making a mess in hope that Madoka cleans her up
Oh Homura! With her luck Sayaka would end up cleaning her with her blunt manner.
Nope. Kyouko disagreed with Mami based on her experience with her wish and left her, and so did Sayaka. Madoka was better, but she went after Homura instead of paying more attention to Mami.
Nagisa inspires Mami to play a more direct mentor/motherly role, where as the other girls she would be intentionally distant and play the friendly senpai.
Mami with Nagisa is the most overpowered Mami ever. She's the leader of Holy Quintet, defeater of time stop Homura, and commander of huge keki tank.
How dare you disrespect a man spreading the truth!
How exactly did his murder/suicide go down?
I take it he tried to kill Kyouko too and failed?
Heretic genocide, best day of my life!
No, I think he just burned everything down and hanged himself.
Kyouko was probably out hunting witches when he finally snapped.
Or he was so afraid of the "monster" that was Kyouko he didn't even want to try to fight her out of fear. Which is probably worse.
>Nope. Kyouko disagreed with Mami based on her experience with her wish and left her, and so did Sayaka. Madoka was better, but she went after Homura instead of paying more attention to Mami.
All of that is ancient history and makes no difference in the dream world that Homura created, and I like how you ignore the part where Kyouko and Mami settle their differences and become sisters and develop a similar relationship to Mami x Nagisa.
Nagisa is a useless character who can easily be replaced by any of the girls, don't know why people keep trying to discuss this.
he was hanging from the cieling when she came home in most interpretations.
>Ripping apart an actual Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent God
Your reign is all a part of His plan.
I'd think he's want to go after her, since he blamed her
This makes sense though >>100616830
I don't remember where I read it but he doesn't tries to kill Kyouko, he leaves her alive to suffer as the witch that she is.
Think of the Holy Trinity.
The father, the son, and the holy ghost are all part of god.
The law of cycles is a god, Homura just pulled Madoka out if it.
No it isn't.
It's time for a god replacement.
[ai yo intensifies]
the only reason she was able to "extract" madoka from the madokami thingy, was because of her original wish, she isn't kratos
God dammit why did I have to start looking at TDS again, this is fucking depressing
What is the isolation field and Kyubey's involvement if not just a way to move the plot and revive characters who should not be relevant?
I also would have liked a story about Homura, Mami, and Kyouko, and the conflicts they face in the new world, but Rebellion opposes that by reviving everyone. However, I'm not bigoted enough to use Nagisa as a scapegoat
Bebe causes Homura's doubts and returns her to her lone wolf role, whereas Sayaka is trying to get her to understand, calm down, and cooperate. Those narrative roles are opposite each other.
>Implying Yahweh isn't Ai Yo incarnate
1 Corinthians 13:13
>And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
>dream world that Homura created
Homura didn't ship them, they shipped themselves. Homura's "dream world" is now reality, and it seems Mami disagrees with you that Nagisa is just a random girl.
>Kyouko and Mami settle their differences and become sisters
You mean Kyouko uses her illusion magic to persuade Mami to not die, and then goes off to die alone as some sort of redemption she owes for taking too many grief seeds/ruining Mami's life?
Yeah, same thing alright.
Homura wasn't wrong when she said love is the highest emotion.
motherfucker deserved it.
But it would seem only Kyouko manages to be so alpha.
>marathon this series yesterday
>tfw incredibly disappointed
the girls are okay but the series kind of sucks
>yfw she even wins the Moemura
You kind of suck.
>Yeah, same thing alright.
Well, if you're gonna be like this and ignore the history and the fact that they clearly recognized as sisters then there's no reason to continue this discussing.
Kyouko always wins the dead girls.
I'm glad we sorted that out.
There's no other victory. They all die. Even the cutest ones.
Is Yuma going to show up again in the Oriko continuation?
Being one of many timelines (and having Mami as protagonist) I was expecting a downer ending, but this is just not fucking fair ;_;
I'm not ignoring it, I'm just saying Nagisa did for Mami what no other girl did.
Kyouko saved Mami, at least for a while, but she could not do for Mami what Nagisa did for her.
They can still obviously be sisters, or friends, or whatever it is you're so concerned with.
I do hope. More importantly, I want to see her and Kyouko.
>Kyouko saved Mami, at least for a while, but she could not do for Mami what Nagisa did for her.
And I'm saying that Kyouko did exactly the same fucking thing, and for some extention Madoka too, the only difference is that the system with witches didn't allowed them to be together for long, that's shouldn't be a problem in Homura's world.
Which camprip has a frame this large? The suffering subs one is missing a huge amount on the left side.
None of them.
A lot of Elevens took photos of their filmstrips and we've gotten hold of some.
I'd love to be in this image.
Whatever happened to the guy who was compiling all those anyway?
>tfw she's even cute covered in her own blood and brain matter
It's always been like that!
Rebellion volume 2 raws are finally out.
Maybe he died--or didn't. Fuck it, who cares, April 2nd isn't that far off.
Gothloli Homu got a new look.
That would have been much better for Akuma Homura.
I love the mangaka's interpretations.
Kyubey? With facial expressions?
>April 2nd is 20 years from now
Still alive. Timing the strips take a lot of time.
It's more likely than you think!
>Moemura died 20 years ago
Who's this cutie?
I like that dress.
And the volume ends on a cheery note.
Nagisa, the magical girl who turned into the witch Charlotte.
Charlotte is the witch who bit Mami's head off.
can't wait for the bitch to get her comeuppance.
I can't hear you over the Homuverse being better than the Madokaverse.
I can't hear you over the sound of Homutoad hypnotizing and brainwashing everyone.
That's okay too, she has a universe to run after all.
The one she completely fucked.
It's like being angry at witch Sayaka for killing Kyouko. They all were going to eventually be in the same position unless they died first.
There is nothing wrong with the homuverse.
Except the fact that it exists.
you mean besides the fact that people have no free will anymore and she swallowed madoka?
Sayaka is that you? How could anyone in their right mind hate the homuverse?
There's no evidence to support that, Homu just has god powers and can interfere.
Everything about it is wrong and broken.
Try searching for it.
Half the moon is physically missing.
Enjoy your tidal imbalance.
I thought the guy who gives the raws got arrested or something
Possibly because its creator is a broken little girl?
It's perfectly obvious that Homu represents Lucifer and Madoka is a Christ-like figure.
Homu's world is going to come crashing down around her. It's inevitable. She is not the good guy. She was never good. ever.
>There's no evidence to support tha
>Homura literally erase the memory of Sayaka and suppress the memories of Madoka
>there's no evidence
Fucking Christians think everything revolves around them and that everyone in the world thinks Christianity is the one truth.
Paradise Lost doesn't even make sense as an analogy. Milton's Lucifer is prideful. He hates humans and he comes to hate, not love God for giving them so much. He is arrogant and he wants the throne all to himself. He does not desire to be with God. He desires to replace him.
Homura did not replace Madokami or the Law of Cycles. All she did was pull Madoka into the mortal realm. She has no control over the afterlife. She doesn't hate humans or Madoka, and she isn't guilty of pride. No, she is not analogous to Milton's Lucifer.
I'm sure magic will take care of things.
Sure is deadly sins demons up in this bitch of a shitty world.
They are all Homura's sins or faults it seems, that have been conceptualized into a source of power as a witch. One can just say that this is the way she seems herself.
Yeah, you can say that you have to be crazy to not find sense in the world of Homura.
She's not supposed to be good, she's supposed to be human. There's nothing wrong with breaking the rules of the universe and ripping a goddess in half because you need your Madoka within hugging distance.
>two megucas get their memory erased
>no free will in the universe
Best familiars are to be expected from best girl.
i don't have to be christian to see the same cliche written over and over in many different stories that have nothing to do with christianity, just like this one.
The Christ Figure is a story trope and is only nominally related to christianity.
>Paradise Lost doesn't even make sense as an analogy. Milton's Lucifer is prideful. He hates humans and he comes to hate, not love God for giving them so much. He is arrogant and he wants the throne all to himself. He does not desire to be with God. He desires to replace him.
You are a fucking idiot. this is exactly what Homu does.
>Homura did not replace Madokami or the Law of Cycles. All she did was pull Madoka into the mortal realm. She has no control over the afterlife. She doesn't hate humans or Madoka, and she isn't guilty of pride. No, she is not analogous to Milton's Lucifer.
Homu runs the world and took over Madoka's place. Go find a straight-jacket. you're delusional as hell.
Wagamama best doll.
>There's nothing wrong with breaking the rules of the universe and ripping a goddess in half because you need your Madoka within hugging distance.
I think maybe you should check your moral compass unless you're being sarcastic.
Which also explains why there are so many familiars that are not the best just like Homura
Madoka never ran the world. She just killed a shitload of witches and collected a bigass pile of dead megucas.
I checked it and it only points to Madoka.
>no free will
Is this the new delusion for hetfags?
What? What the fuck are you talking about?
the only ones who retained it were those who remembered the original timeline.
Everything else is controlled by Homu. The movie made that blatantly obvious. She even controls the Incubators as slaves.
>that ego boost when your posts are used as pasta
They're the cutest familiars at least, even though Homura isn't the cutest.
kyouko the cutest
>They're the cutest familiars at least
Fight me in real life, faggot.
>Anon 1: These two stories aren't congruent because points A through E as well as points G through M are totally different in the two works.
>Anon 2: Actually, points B, K, and L are the same. Looks like I dismantled your whole argument!
Why don't she just die already?
Clara Dolls > Moemura soldiers > Anthony > That little dude in the toy plane > Charlotte's dog-things > Teeth Monsters
nah sorry, the motifs are all over the story. Deny it all you like. The motifs and tropes are there.
They don't have to be exactly the same story, just share the same tropes.
Because Madoka will never let that happen.
She died inside instead.
So you guys are saying, if a guy bumped butts with another dude, that would be gay and flirtatious?
i dunno, take away my free will and memories, replace my good world with a fake sinister one, make every sacrifice i made worthless, and on top of that, threaten my friends...
yeah i'd be pretty damn pissed. Madoka is not going to be happy. You're delusional if you think she's going to let this stand.
She tried to ruin Homura's wish in the first place.
Homura's wish was the most selfish of them all. She confused love with obsession.
You really don't know anything about Madoka.
>So you guys are saying, if a guy bumped butts with another dude, that would be gay and flirtatious?
Only if he didn't say, "no homo".
>wish to go back and save her only friend
There is literally nothing wrong with being obsessed with Madoka.
You're right. We don't. Her character isn't that well developed.
Anthony > Gotz = Clara Dolls > Pyotr = Lotte > Anja > Lilia
more like you don't
>There is literally nothing wrong with being obsessed with Madoka.
except making it an obsession and not allowing Madoka the free will to choose and selfishly trying to force her not to commit her sacrifice.
There is, however, something wrong with twisting yourself into a creature that can't properly feel emotions.
Oh, and, if nothing else, mindwiping people is extremely unethical.
They share common elements, yes. But no one was denying this. What's being said is that Rebellion's events aren't an analogy for any Biblical events.
It's more in line with the thematics of the show to consider them as two equal and opposing forces.
I really hate the faggots who deny the good that Madoka world did just because they want to fuck Homura.
then the symbolism is still there. How hard is this to understand?
Kyouko is Mami's first
I think her circumstances were what twisted her up inside. Especially timeline 3.
Kyubey didn't exactly set a high standard for ethics.
But I want to be Homura.
Motifs =/= analogy
Because there is no symbolism, stupid fuck, they only share very fucking generic traits that aren't even worth mentioning for how generic they fucking are.
yeah there is. You're the stupid fuck here if you can't see it. Go back to English 101 or take a trip to tvtropes.com, clownshoe
homura a shit
No one is denying the good she did. That's why Homura didn't tamper with the Law of Cycles and still concerns herself with entropy and the curses of mankind.
She obviously has much greater goals she still has to achieve, considering her character archetype and "Mada dame yo" ending.
>yeah there is
Ok, like what? Where in the movie they refer to christianity or Lucifer?
I think those are trolls.
>Season 2 Climax
somebody will be climaxing thats for sure.
they don't need to directly refer to it to show the common elements, jackass. God, you are so dense.
It needs to happen.
And I'm asking you to name those "common elements", jackass.
Of the two, I'd have to say that I prefer the goddess who was dissatisfied with how the current universe works, obtained divine power, recreated the universe and forcefully changed everyone's lives whether they liked it or not
>Homura not getting a new white dress to match Madoka.
>And I'm asking you to name those "common elements", jackass.
I already did. Just because you hate christians doesn't mean their mythology, like Greek mythology, can't be referenced or used as tropes.
>Madoka not getting corrupted from Homura's AI YO and getting a pretty black dress
>season 2 deus ex sealdoka
No you fucking didn't, you just said they were similar, I'm done with your shit.
This has been several times already, but no one is arguing that there aren't common elements.
Everyone is simply trying to establish the point that correlation does not equal causation, that the similarities are not because Madoka is intentionally referencing anything biblical--because that's fucking wrong, as anyone with any rudimentary experience with the Magical Girl genre knows. Do the names Kraehe and Chikane ring a bell to you?
>I'm done with your shit.
because you can't prove me wrong. /ragequit right?
>Of the two, I'd have to say that I prefer the goddess who was dissatisfied with how the current universe works, obtained divine power, recreated the universe and forcefully changed everyone's lives whether they liked it or not
Really? I prefer the one who resurrected two magical girls in the cast as a side effect of her universal reordering.
It looks better than Homura.
anon pls, you know there can't be a happy ending
yeah. I'm just saying, madoka sacrifices herself to free others. Homu attempts to ruin that for her own selfish desires so she can have a world she controls.
But of course there are all kinds of other things like Dante's inferno and Faust in the story, so I don't see why mentioning this is a problem.
>anon pls, you know there can't be a happy ending
>so she can have a world she controls.
Nope, God you are retarded, she does it only for Madoka happiness.