I have a question about Stardust Crusaders. Why does killing Dio remove Holly's Stand, and not Joseph and Jotaro's?
maybe because they've familiarized themselves with they're stands while holly didn't. Worst comes to worst you can say she didn't have the joestar will power her grand father, father , and son had
You know, I never really thought of that.
Here's my theory though. Holly's stand was just her latent Ripple power forcibly drawn out. It tried to take the form of a Stand, but it couldn't because Holly lacked the willpower to do so, and the unstable Ripple energy started to attack her own body. If you think about it, Zepelli was able to make his Ripple-punch destroy a rock, while ignoring the frog on top, because he couldn't control it. So its not impossible that someone who couldn't control their Ripple might have it damage things they didn't want it to, including themselves.
When Dio died, it wasn't that Holly's latent Ripple/Stand powers stopped existing, they were just no longer being drawn forth against her will. With Jotaro and Joseph, they could continue using their latent Ripple power in the form of the Stand, because unlike Holly, they could control they Ripple.
IT JUST WORKS
Fuck you guys rotation is cooler.
That's pretty much the explanation given by Joseph if I'm remembering right. Joseph and Jotaro had the fighting spirit to manifest their stands in such a way that it was effective for their cause. Holly was too gentle a soul to fight and so the stand that was being forced out of her was just raw energy attacking whatever was near, and that meant her.
There is an unspoken, vague stand inheritance rule. Like in Part 7, Dio takes scary monster from the archeologist guy using the eye, and Johnny gets Tusk from the arm, but by the end of the series they both become the true owners of the stands and they don't need the corpse parts to summon them, meanwhile Gyro loses scan along with the eye and gets himself an entirely separate stand.
Since Holly never actually used the stand that was killing her it just didn't take.
>you will never live long enough to see a part 7 anime
Maybe Araki intended for Jotaro to loose his stand powers, but the Jump editor said "No, Jotaro must remain a badass."
But most likely, he just didn't plan that far ahead; which is a running meta-theme in Jojo's.
Stop spelling "lose" wrong.
Basically the whole reason the Joestars in Part 3 have Stands is because DIO awakened his own causing them to through their shared bloodline.
Joseph and Jotaro were both strong enough to handle their stands but Holly wasn't and it caused her harm.
Because it was DIO's existence drawing out the Stand it would kill her unless he was stopped.
If Holly was strong enough to handle her stand, would Dio and the Joestars have left each other alone?
Holly doesn't have a stand, Dio's emanating evil powerful presence through Joestars, but Joseph and Jotaro have powerful spirit themselves which stops Dio from damaging them and also gives them stands.
I love Jotaro. I thought he was gonna be a Kenshiro rip off but I love his simple stoic cool personality.
Eh, I thought he was boring, especially after Joseph's craziness. Josuke was a breath of a fresh air because he acted a kid
He was a fantastic straight man, and I loved his shitty one liners.
Holly couldnt handle the stand, Dio dies and her stand goes back to being dormant while those who can handle it get to keep it awakened
What one liners are you talking about, besides the "friends of justice" one?
but Holly never knew Dio existed.
The Ripple/Stand doesn't have a will of its own to forcibly manifest from things that the user isn't experiencing.
Are you serious?
You can't use SBR-verse rules on the original world. I think there it has as much to do with sleeping in the special land the name of which I forget as getting a corpse piece. Then there are people like Magenta Magenta and others who have Stands for reasons that are never explained.
He ended a bunch of fights with them.
huh, I didn't know stuff like that counted
I just finished part 4, is it me or Araki was planning something much bigger with massive time travel and Josuke ending up saving his mom in the past from the snowstorm? Also why the fuck was there alien?
Why would you say that? It's only been a year and they're already to Part 3. I'd say they should be caught up to the manga by 2020 the latest, if they keep up the current pace.
Holly couldn't control her stand because she had no fighting spirit unlike the others. They had already adapted to their stands while she couldn't figure hers out.
All stand users need fighting spirit
shit, I didn't read the "shitty" part.
post the page before it
Dio would have just attacked them.
Also, Jonathan knew about Josuke, and since he was like five there was no way he was going to be able to deal with it, even if Holly could.
I don't see what Part 5 has to do with the conversation.
>zeppeli couldn't control his ripple
aren't you a dumb fucking retard
It's stated that Dio's awakening, and his having Jonathon's body, is causing everyone with Joestar blood to get Stands among other things. Joseph has some kind of mutual telepathic link with Dio telling each other when they are near, and such. It's all because Dio bodyswapped.
I think you mean KOICHI-KUUUUUUUN
also, they never found the baby's parents
I don't remember this part. Is it a doujin?
Jotaro didn't know Dio existed, yet it was causing his stand to appear, even if he didn't control it or know it was part of himself.
I wish Jotaro wasn't a boring sack of shit characterless stick of a main character.
Part 3 would have severely benefited from that.
It's in the Dio's mansion, the retarded guy with ability to create faces on the back of his head tries to trick them.
Don't you mean Joseph? And it seemed pretty clear in DiU that Joseph had no idea about Josuke. He had an affair, but was shocked to find out he had a son
nonono, I mean I didn't read the word "shitty" in his post about "shitty one liners"
Well it had Joseph and Polnareff to back him up with silly antics.
What are you talking about? I didn't say that at all. I was using that to show that the Ripple can destroy things or not destroy them according to the users ability to control it. Zepelli could control it, so the frog wasn't destroyed but the rock was. With Holly, she couldn't control it, so it started destroying her.
He's not quite as bad as Giorno. I just wish he had as much development in his own part as he did in part 6. That's the only time Jotaro is good
Yeah, my bad. But I thought he did know, but I'm not completely sure.
I wonder why Dio's outside of Giorno (who are all really Jonathan's sons) didn't have the same problem?
They probably did, but it's just not brought up. Really the only son of Jonathan's/Dio's that seems to matter is Giorno, the rest were just Stand users of the week aside from Versace
Yeah, I got a question too.
Why didn't Giorno show up in the finale of Part 6?
Is it because he would've won?
Why'd Araki even tease that shit then?
I'm still mad.
Because Araki didn't feel like it? I don't know. Frankly every JoJo could have shown up in the finale, except Jonathan barring some kind of Green Baby shenanigans since that's technically his bone and not Dio's.
He probably teased it just to fuck with people, and I guess it worked
>91 year old Joseph wanders into the final battle
>Ruses Pucci out of winning
Why didn't this happen
Did anyone ask Araki if Giorno is still alive?
Too shonen cliche maybe? I don't give a fuck, I would have loved to see them all together.
There was a kid wearing his ladybug pin thing in Jojolion already, so I doubt it.
Do you really think he'd answer?
do you have a picture or volume number? Im really interested.
It was in the middle of Jo2uke running away from motorcycle maid, Jo2uke busts through the window and sees a kid crying wearing pins that symbolize Giorno's family.
It's when he's being chased by that motorbike stand, the kid he bumps into has it. He also has black hair which makes sense as Giorno's hair was black until he got his stand.
>mfw he does turn out to be Giorno and is actually a Joestar
what was Dio's plan after killing the Joestars? conquering the world? just chill? if he just wanted to chill and be immortal, he could have just avoided them, and if he wanted to conquer the world, how would he do it? there are other stand users besides him and the joestars, and some of them are broken as fuck
It's not that killing dio would remove the stand, it would just stop it from being forced out when she can't handle it
He said he could stop time for longer and longer as he practiced and with Joestar blood his body would fully heal making him pretty much invincible.
His goal was the same as Pucci's.
You typed "because he couldn't control it".
May have just been a typo, but it causes quite a bit of confusion.
diavolo and giorno would shit on him though
Diavalo, I dunno what would happen if him and DIO fought.
And by the time Part 5 happened I think he would probably have Heaven or be close.
If every single protagonist was like joseph, joseph wouldn't be special
each jojo is intentionally made to contrast with the previous
Araki hated having to bring back jotaro and joseph all the time by his editors and finally put his foot down
That's exactly why he had children, portable Joestar blood he could keep tabs on and get close to with ease
It's still weird to me how editors have so much power, no matter how popular the mangaka is. It's the same in the west from what I hear. The editors can pretty much force the mangaka to do what they want, and not always for the better.
I would have loved to see Lisa Lisa seriously throw down, for example
>Diavalo, I dunno what would happen if him and DIO fought.
Could he skip stopped time?
Diavolo would get wrecked by Dio. Assuming he can somehow avoid being killed in the initial ZA WARUDO (which might last a huge amount of time as Dio practiced) Dio is still a bitch to kill.
Why not? Time Stop is basically just Dio moving very very fast.
Jotaro time stopped time stop.
According to ASB, time stop > king crimson
dio exploded into chunks after one punch, a thing king crimson does to people all the time
>according to ASB
A punch from Star Platinum that destroyed his stand,. I doubt KC has that kind of power. And he's a vampire, destroy the head or bust.
What if Ringo Roadagain fought DIO? Say Dio stops time for 5 seconds, throws knives into Ringo, and time resumes.
Would he in theory rewind time back to one second before time stop, counting the time that it was stopped, or would he undo time stop and go another 5 seconds backwards?
But that was the whole point of the first half of Jotaro vs Dio. Damaging the head doesn't do shit to powerful vampires like Dio, especially after he had Joestar blood
What if DIO fought Diavalo while Made in Heaven was active
Dio at his strongest could stop time for 10 seconds at least maybe even 14-15, but I don't remember exactly.
>finally put his foot down
What'd he do?
>or would he undo time stop and go another 5 seconds backwards
I guess this.
The ending of Stone Ocean.
Didn't Polnareff puncturing Dio's head almost cause him to die on the spot? I remember him having trouble walking around and only surviving because he was able to timestop his way into an escape.
What if DIO fought Diavalo while Made in Heaven was active and Bites the Dust triggered on Pucci?
No he didn't,he timestopped after Dio has reached his limit for stopping time.
No it was always 10 seconds at maximum
It hurt him, but he then beat the shit out of Pol and got away. He wasn't in mortal danger at the time. The closest the 'destroy the head' strategy came to working was when Jotaro punched him so hard there was a fucking gaping hole in his skull, and even then Dio was able to get away
What a way to put your foot down. Destroying the whole fucking universe.
When Araki has had enough, he lets everyone know he's had enough. But thats a reason I think Stone Ocean is one of the best. He obviously didn't give a fuck anymore and was just having fun.
I hate Sheila E's shirt. It always makes me think she has massive tits.
What if Rohan wrote "I cannot use Gold Experience Requiem" on Giorno while GER was active?
What if DIO fought Diavalo while Made in Heaven was active and Bites the Dust triggered on Pucci and Ringo reversed time?
I can see where her actual chest is now, yeah, but seriously. What the fuck are those huge sleeve-things?
Hey, where can a nigga go to get him some Josuke? I finished Part 3 a day ago and I don't wanna read that Duwang garbage I found. Is that all there is, or is there like a download or site with better scans?
I heard there was this Trio group doing a retranslate or something. I wanna see how Not Crash an Unbreakable Diamond is.
What if DIO fought Diavalo while Made in Heaven was active and Bites the Dust triggered on Pucci. Ringo then reversed time, while Valentine brought Kars from another dimension?
The only arguable thing is whether or not part 2 was better than 1.
>I don't wanna read that Duwang garbage
Deal with it, Duwang is something all jojo fans have to go through (until the part 4 anime). Don't worry, it gets better after a while
This pretty much has everything that's been uploaded on mediafire, and links to the blogs so you can stay up to date. I think 48 just was released last night.
Is redoing part 4. Duwang isn't as bad in the later volumes.
What if Diavolo skipped time but then 5 seconds after he skipped time Ringo reversed time by 6 seconds?
King crimson vs The World:
THE WORLD isn't moving VERY VERY FAST, he STOPS TIME, so, it's kind of hard to explain, but let's say Diavolo uses epitaph to see 10 erasable seconds ahead in time, he would see DIO in one frame standing far away and in the NEXT frame he would be standing next to him as opposed to many frames FROM one direction to another...
That wouldn't change anything, but DIO would certainly be able to get away far enough to be out of KK's reach, also, I'm sure as fuck that if King Crimson could hit DIO he wouldn't even feel it, Star Platinum could defeat it because it punches at fucking lightspeed, but, doesn't matter how powerful KK is, his punches can't go lightspeed and kill the stand of a fucking vampire.
Add the extra time DIO could stop if he were alive in Vento Aureo + using the arrow on himself and THE WORLD.
Also, what would happen if King Crimson were to skip time JUST when heaven makes the universe finish and start again, would King Crimson erase all existence?
We better get that scene redone in JJL
But Diavolo could skip time for 10 seconds anon
But AFTER Diavolo skips time, Ringo uses his power to reverse time.
So would he reverse the skipped time or would it just skip it? Jesus I don't know why I do this.
The World pretty much counters King Crimson.
Functionally, they are very similar as both prevent everyone but the stand user from moving. Where King Crimson is different, is that Diavolo cannot actually harm anyone during the time skip, only position himself. However, King Crimson also lets him see into the future a few seconds, which is why he can show Buccarti his death and do some of his other ridiculous shit.
However, King Crimson's powers of premonition are worthless against The World. Because even if Diavolo knows what is going to happen, he can't actually do anything to defend himself during the time stop. Also, when Diavolo time skips, Dio can simply freeze time and counter Diavolo's sneak attack as soon as the time skip ends.
There's also that artist who was drawing something that looked very similar to a certain crazy diamond. (Chapter 12, I think.)
I'm sure these are nothing more than just small references though.
Also thoughts on the latest chapter?
If he reversed the 6 seconds that was skipped, wouldn't he still not be able to see Diavolo because of the 10 second time skip. Is Diavolo even visible during the effect of time skip?
JJL seems to be full of small refrences, which I love. I'm only on chapter 3, but the second chapter had the hat store which had Gyro, Johnny and Jotaro hats
Best part 8 power so far.
Also I just realized, this power is a lot like Mariah's power of magnetism. But instead of touching a power outlet, they have to touch his hand. Or maybe the hand of his ｢Stand｣.
How can I have hair like Norisuke?
>Apply shampoo to wet hair.
so i'm reading jojolion and just caught up today so now i'm starting to seriously wonder:
is josuke a mix of johnny and kira? cause how this story is talking things are seriously starting to sound like it because of some of the legends and shit and the fact hes literally died once already, the only thing thats weird for me is now his ability to remove concepts and shit is completely god damn different then tusk's bullshit
That's definitely one theory. But the question remains, why would it take so long for Johnny to get ｢reborn｣?
What about that mystery baby in the newspaper in earlier chapters? What could he have to do with this?
is it time for autism Jotaro?
Fuck, I entered another JoJo thread even though I'm just past the first couple of part 4 chapters. Time for me to go.
Have fun reading the rest anon. I hope you have fun in these threads once you've caught up.
>too bad he's dead and didn't see it
EVEN SPEEDWAGON IS AMUSED
You have more self control than I do anon, I was an anime fag when it aired and have been in JoJo threads steady ever since. I only just finished Steel Ball Run Friday night.
I have had everything spoiled for me. Don't repeat my mistakes.
So what was the point of the runaway girl? She kept coming up like she was going to be important only to be sent back to Singapore
Thanks! Thankfully I've only had a few things spoilered, but I'm looking forward to not understanding how King Crimson works.
if theres ever a simple question like that the simple answer is cause dio.
remember that one of the dios with THE WORLD are fused with the jesus corpse right now, so since Dio though dead, got a hold of essentially unlimited powers by SBR rules, all that type of bullshit in controlling how the ground works is entirely his fault. consequenceally i'm also convinced someones gonna try fyusing with the corpse later and get dio controlled, so Dio may end up the badguy once again.
I think autism Jotaro jokes are one of the main reasons I really like him. Do you guys have the original one with Kira's watch?
You should be fine if you ever want to discuss it if you wear blinders pretty much. Pop in only to ask questions and read only the replies to it.
its ok i actually know how he works so read the spoiler if you dare:
KC runs essentially like the world becomes a giant laggy server for 10 seconds at a time when he activates, but he doesn't recieve lag what so ever, so this lets him glitch crap all over the place.
Probably planned to be Jotaro's love interest but was dropped.
Lots of shit in part 3 got dropped; such as Jotaro's father ending up as one of Dio's henchmen.
What? Diego died. He got gibbed by his other body. Why would he be a part of the corpse?
i will still forever be convinced hes hol horses kid and nothing will persuede me otherwise.
>I just finished part 4, is it me or Araki was planning something much bigger with massive time travel and Josuke ending up saving his mom in the past from the snowstorm? Also why the fuck was there alien?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was the thing
But she's like 10. And I don't want to be that guy but do you have a source about that on Jotaro's dad? I've never heard that before, but it sounds neat
but that doesn't change that diego was fused with the jesus corpse if i remember right, and they just locked the entire remains up saying basically fuck this i'm out.
Except that's not how it works. Nothing glitches out, everything continues as it would have normally. The only difference is that only Diavolo is cognisant during this time, but cannot interact with anything.
There was one other Dio brought over near the end. One with the power of The World.
And the effect of that is totally erasure. So technically neither AU Diego or regular Diego should physically exist anymore
It always seemed to me like that's where it was going. Like Bites the Dust orginally could go far further back in time than just a day reset, but Araki canned that for whatever reason.
Mikitaka was obviously an amnesiac Kars though
[spoilers]And that Dio was killed by Lucy giving him part of the main Diego's corpse.[/spoiler:lit]>>100589418
When did that happen?
only AU's dios head got blown of so it still totaly counts because of the fact there was only original diegos head left, so AU dio only thus lost his head.
That's not how it works at all, the time is deleted. If it was like a laggy server Diavolo could just murder everyone during the deleted time and King Crimson would be a za warudo ripoff.
Well shit, so much for spoilers
But that's not how D4C's ability works. Wekapipo proved that. He only encountered half of his AU self, but all of Wekapipo was destroyed. Just coming in contact with the head was enough for AU Diego to be completely erased
it was AU Diego and that was right after the SBR, where he was the only Diego left and he picked it up and actually fused with it, only to die like a chapter afterwards by the one chick throwing diego 1's head at him and paradoxing his head right off..
We've all made that mistake before. Though now I just ctrl + s my problems away.
Diego never fused with it, he is shown putting it in the storage container that Valentine had set aside for it. He wasn't able to close it because Lucy showed up. If anyone closed the Corpse up, it was Lucy.
i thought wekapopo was only blown to shit and was a giant bloodpool/meatpile with what was left, not completely and utterly destroyed, i thought it only takes whats there and removes it.
No, remember when Diego was taken to an AU, where Valnetine stole his left eye? Even though he just barely grazed that other AU Diego, that AU Diego was completely and utterly destroyed.
huh, well thats some shit.
But he still died very clearly and left the corpse behind unharmed.
Baoh was awesome.
King Crimson's punches just cut straight through people. He's pretty strong.
Really, what the fight would come down to is whether or not Diavolo is paranoid enough to use epitaph immediately upon seeing Dio, or if Dio would immediately try to kill Diavolo.
Egypt > Holy Diver
>major tom to ground control, we need a shipment of preparation h
This... this is a thing of beauty
>when did David Bowie come to town
mein sides, every time.