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Just saw Fate/Zero. Gilgamesh is still best servant, with Iskander at a close second. Saber still a shit as ever.

Type Moon thread.
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>There'll never be a Carnival Phantasm with F/Z
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>>100568364
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY_qGbPg1Zk
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>>100568478
>7/13
Was this an april fools?
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Will there ever be a Fate series with no Saber clone?
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>>100568206
>Iskander at a close second

Fuck you OP. But Saber is indeed a shit
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>>100568206
Sounds about right.
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>100568875
Gilgamesh is just sexier.
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>>100568206
>Gilgamesh is still best servant
>Get's his ass tossed towards the curve by a female version of King Arthur, a teenage boy in the second route, and a wormslut in the third route.
Stay delusional, landwhale.
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>>100568478
when?
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>>100570042
>waah he insulted my husbando
Nice retort. Typical of idiots who get butthurt when people point out how retarded their husbando is.
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>>100568206
>Saber a shit
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>>100570327
No one needs to dignify your opinion with any retort.
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I think that Gilgamesh's death in Unlimited Blade Works is somehwat of a testament to how badass all the characters involved were.

Shirou killed god, while Gilgamesh died like three Rasputins rolled into one.
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>tfw no Persian or Mongolian servants in Fate/Stay.

Genghis Khan would be amazing, and would be the only time Japan could give an asian red hair and green eyes and get away with it.
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>rider not being best husbando
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>>100571944
Whoops, meant to say they'd be historically accurate.
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>>100571944
tfw when Timur will never be a servant.
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>>100570568
Dat thickness, Shiro
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>>100568364
Good, fuck Kerry.
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>>100570851

Love the lighting on GoB in F/Z.
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>>100575975
I want to know the budget the studio had when they made that show.
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Why didn't Shirou project Rule Breaker against Alter Saber ?
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>>100568206
Gilgamesh gets even better in CCC, to the point that his fanbase expanded quite a bit there. You really got to see the rare heroic side of Gilgamesh, got to understand his dreams and ideals, saw his back-story with Enkidu from Enkidu's perspective, and even if he's still the same arrogant guy at heart you really could understand how this guy was a proper hero.
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>>100576489

Stop making the fact that we'll never get CCC harder to accept you bastard!
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>>100571901
Nah, it was just kind of cheap because you knew he was only there to play contrary to the Heroes ideals so the hero seemed more awesome. In Fate route it was "Your people destroyed you, Arthur" and "Yeah, well you destroyed your people, EXCALIBUR". In UBW he was even worse off in that regard as he was blatantly just saying Shirou's ideals were shit just so Shirou could say "Shut up, my ideals are great! Take this, UBW!" and then immediately turn the situation around.

There's a reason he was the King of Jobbers in Fate, because at times he was just sort of a plot thing to overcome for the hero to seem great themselves. Even when it made no sense why he lost as it was just handwaved by saying "He was being arrogant, so he didn't go all out" he was just there at times to play Antagonist to the hero role rather than actually being a character. This is a bit obvious when his desire kind of changes to fit the theme in UBW or Fate.

At least in HF he tries to go all out rather than being an embarrassment there, but he didn't know that this thing was basically the most Anti-Spirit thing on the planet that was fused with a stupidly well fitting element for it, so he let his guard down at the wrong moment after thinking it was over.
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>>100576848
Never, it needs to be mentioned.
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>Gilgamesh is still best servant
>Saber still a shit as ever.
Please stop bullying.
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>>100576914

I was happier when I thought it was a slightly similar sequel with a few cool bosses, I'd miss not being able to play Gilgamesh but that's it.

then I heard about everything else...it makes F/E look like a fucking tech demo. It's hard to play it now.
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Why did Saber like Iriesviel so much? She's almost always embracing her.
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>>100577291

Irisviel treated her like a person and she has a soft spot for classy princess-like ladies.
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>>100577291
Saber is the best and most caring servant, that's why! Plus, maybe they were trying for a "knight and her princess" theme.
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>>100577588
>>100577636

It was really cute when Saber was holding Irisviel during Rider's Ionian Hetairoi.

And her sadness when she saw her final resting place.
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>>100576848
It'll happen.
HA, CCC, Mahoyo
We'll experience these someday, anon.
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>>100577751
;_;
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>>100577784

I'm looking up gameplay now, why do I keep doing this to myself, it sounds amazing. ;_;

At least the japanese dub is stopping me from hearing spoilers.
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>>100577959
CCC gameplay good? Isn't it just rock paper scissors but with less grind than F/E?
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>>100568206
Yeah, Gilgamesh is the best Servant.
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>>100577959
http://youtu.be/5kiAcwtcfJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIilXBGyrCE
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>>100577751
>>100577588
>>100577636

;_;
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>>100576358
Infinite money.
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>>100577751
>>100577901

Best touch is in the ufo openings where Saber sighs and stares at the shed where Irisviel and she spent their last time together full of regrets.
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What say you, /a/?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLXTJTcsz5c
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>>100578135
This is why I'm very anxious about the announcement. What if it ends up being HF and Saber never gets her happy ending?
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>>100578020
They fixed things up and added a little more variety in some places. MC can now jump at any time, healing fountains and quicksaving in arena on easy mode, can skip cut-scenes on repeat plays, actions used during combat no longer repeat the same animation twice in a row when you use the same command twice in a row which really does make it look better, there's events like running through the arena from Lilith and avoiding poison traps all around from Robin Hood that can give a little variety, and I'm sure there's a few things I'm forgetting

I haven't played yet, but it sounds like they've tried raising the bar in at least a few ways there.
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>>100576453
Because Saber is the only one who can NTR Shirou from Sakura and Nasu don't want that.
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>>100576857
Fate/Stay mad.

Nasu's already said that Gil is extra sensitive to the people who live around him at whatever age, his character swings are to be expected when his drinking buddy went and died.
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>>100578058
You know, I wish they stuck to the fucking poem and gave Gil red hair, so we can get sexy red head genderbend.
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>>100578154
Still Best Saber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdN69QscAg
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>>100578254
Jumping though mainly just helps with small things like avoiding Robin's traps, but you'll see a lot of gamers just jumping all the time for no reason because it was added. Also you can look up FeMC's skirt by doing it in a specific way, along with being able to jump on the benches at school and do poses with a certain button.
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>>100578254
I just read TM games for their stories anyways.

>>100576453
IIRC Shirou only had like 1 or 2 projections left before he completely lost his mind, like in Sparks Liner High
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>>100576857
>Even when it made no sense why he lost as it was just handwaved by saying "He was being arrogant, so he didn't go all out"

What's with people claiming a guy acting like his personality leads him to act "doesn't make sense"?

>This is a bit obvious when his desire kind of changes to fit the theme in UBW or Fate.

Did you even read the novel? What the hell changes in UBW besides for the fact that he has to do Kirei's share of the work?

>At least in HF he tries to go all out rather than being an embarrassment there, but he didn't know that this thing was basically the most Anti-Spirit thing on the planet that was fused with a stupidly well fitting element for it

The anti-spirit stuff had nothing to do with it. He resisted Angra Manyu's corruption, the reason he got swallowed was because he was a careless retard as always and got ass-deep in the dark ominous mud before checking if the thing was really dead.
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>>100578397
MAI HEART
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>>100578020

Well, as far as RPG battles go, I always thought F/E was better than the usual 'Press X to attack spam' most RPGs have, at least the Rock Paper Scissors system requires some thought.

Though playing as Caster atm, I am really salty about her squishy defense, every new Arena with new enemies feels like playing Russian Roulette.

So not perfect, but I liked it.
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>>100578397
Original flavour best flavour!
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>>100578379
Not so much mad as much as I just feel it's obvious that he was lacking as a character in the original game that are made even more obvious due to later renditions.

Also the reason Gilgamesh is said to be more reckless and stupid is stated to be because he's something of an incarnated human in FSN after the mud touched him, and because he's incarnated his human blood rushes to the surface as his desires are inclined more to match present day humans.
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>>100578485
Good thing Nero was born first, then.
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>>100578533
It goes beyond the mud, his self even as just a servant is warped by the humans of the age. Only in CCC do we see Gil as he was.
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>>100578474
>Well, as far as RPG battles go, I always thought F/E was better than the usual 'Press X to attack spam' most RPGs have
Really? Isn't one of the defining characteristics of RPGs is that you have to use strategy to defeat your enemy, and not just spam attacks. Perhaps you're thinking of certain FPS games?

>at least the Rock Paper Scissors system requires some thought.
I tried to predict moves in F/E and it didn't help that much. Unless it's a NP move, then the moves are essentially random.

>I am really salty
Is this some sort of new phrase? "Salty"?
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>>100578453
>What the hell changes in UBW besides for the fact that he has to do Kirei's share of the work?

His primary motivation shifts from getting together with Saber to given an event for present day humans to overcome because he feels they're a bit shitty. This is made a bit stark as he can barely consider Saber in UBW while in Fate he's completely about her and his business with Angya is secondary at best. It's because we already explored that side of his character before that there was no reason to go through it a second time perhaps, but it's rather undeniable that his primary motivation did shift to fit the route there.
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>>100578397
How the fuck is that Nero? She looks like a barmaid that caters to Prussian generals.
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>>100578439
He could still do a Caladbolg and get the normal ending.
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>>100578625
That's exactly what I just said; it's confirmed three times over that the mud cannot warp him at all, but it's confirmed as well that the reason he's different in FSN is that he has become something of an incarnated human.

It's not the mud at all but the fact that the mud made him into a real boy once more.
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>>100578644
Because his lazy days ended when his lackey went and got killed by a mongrel.
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>>100578684
Nero enjoys life in many ways.
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>>100578737
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>>100578724
No, that's not what I said.

Even without the mud he will be different. And I'm convinced that his divinity is the main reason he warded of the blackening, much like Berserker.
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>>100578637
>Really? Isn't one of the defining characteristics of RPGs is that you have to use strategy to defeat your enemy,

Ideally, not every RPG is like this, just look at Final Fantasy, mobs are Attack Fodder.

Games like Persona 3/4 or Lost Odyssey make magic and strategy relevant by making buffs/debuffs worth using and Magic part of a system or just plain effective.

>I tried to predict moves in F/E and it didn't help that much. Unless it's a NP move, then the moves are essentially random.

It can be very trial and error at times, but I've got perfect rounds on bosses and mobs alike in F/E. It's rewarding when you get a perfect streak too.

>Is this some sort of new phrase? "Salty"?

Fighting Game Community talk, sorry, I just mean I'm crying salty bitch tears after dying with Caster yet again in F/E.
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>>100578872
A lot of the time in Extra, "strategy" boils down to "listen to when the enemy master tells the servant to use their NP".

Still, I won't deny that blocking Gae Bolg three times in one fight with E-rank luck felt pretty damn awesome.
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Which historical figure should be a servant?
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Okay,so Gilgamesh's Saber obsession, would he actually abuse her/treat her as another trophy in his collection or would he actually love her?

He promises her 'all the pleasures in the world' in F/Z, which sounds a bit rapey but could be well meaning.
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>>100578154
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>>100578956
>abuse her/treat her as another trophy

this, only Enkidu gets Gil's love
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>>100578956
Rape the shit out of until she breaks, then ignore her since she's become boring.
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I think we can all agree

Saber > Saber >/= Saber >>>>>>Saber > Shit > Saber
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>>100578942

Not so, when I thought Archer, I realised that he always always guards on the first turn and is likely to do so on the 4th (or was it 3rd) and that he uses his NP every 2 turns on the second turn.

I'm not denying it's not perfect, sometimes you have to guess but it's still an okay system overall.
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>>100579035
>>100579013

Really? As much of an arsehole he can be, I don't take him to that type of guy, isn't he a man of his word?

Look at how he let Waver live.
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>>100578956
He's a collector, and it's laid out a bit in CCC that he can only have one equal in this world. The guy takes pride in watching over humanity from above as an observer who sometimes tests them, so he has no need of vassals or true togetherness in a sense aside from with the person who is forever lost.

Even at the end of CCC he asks one final question to the MC as a test, the question is "What are you to me?" or possibly "What am I to you?". MC kind of realizes immediately that even if they've gotten a bit close the answer can't be friend, or even servant since this is a guy who won't listen to any demand he doesn't care for. Even Anderson calls Gilgamesh as a failure of a servant since he prioritizes his own life, and Gilgamesh can only really agree with him.
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>>100579045
Nero > Mordred >= Siegfried >>>>> King Arthur > shit > Gawain

>>100579145

He wants to see her break and lose sight of her ideals, her tears at that time will make then entire endeavor worth it
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>>100579094
Yeah, there's a lot of shit like that you start picking up on.

Like Li Shuwan always uses his NP on the same turn, and Lu Bu also always uses his right at the very end of his turn in contrast to Li. Everyone has a pattern to pick up on here.

It's obvious the servant is going to use a special attack when the master is using an attack spell on the same turn to stun your servant.
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>>100579146

If we ever saw Gilgamesh with Enkidu, would we think he's acting OOC, such is how different he was around Enkidu?

I kinda' wanna' see a miniseries of Gilgamesh before he became a HS, met Enkidu and fought the Gods.
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>>100579251
http://pastebin.com/cMSheD4R

Here's most of the Enkidu flashback chapter, but that's not all of it anyway. Certain parts like Gilgamesh answering MC's questions at the end and saying he's unworthy of saying that "friend's" name are missing.
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>>100579145
According to his UC ending, anyway. He rambles about having his way with Saber and pretty much dispatching her when he grows bored.
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>>100579194
>Nero
>better than anything
How do you like you joke ending in CCC that will end with her being corrupted and going crazy?
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>>100578956
Gil is a collector, Saber is endearing to him because she is not something he can simply immediately acquire.

The moment his conquest of her was over, she's just another aspect of his immense treasury.
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>>100579194
Okita Souji = Mysterious Heroine X > Nero > Gawain = Siegfried > King Arthur = Mordred
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>>100578777
Augustus would've been a better choice.
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>>100578386
tfw no sexy redhead Gil
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>Also you can look up FeMC's skirt by doing it in a specific way, along with being able to jump on the benches at school and do poses with a certain button.

Thank you, CCC
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>>100579354
As a NICE JOKE Ending, of course.
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>>100579312
Here's the full SG conversation

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3574-Fate-Extra-CCC-Translations-SPOILERS?p=1181589&viewfull=1#post1181589

Along with Gilgamesh losing immorality to the snake

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3574-Fate-Extra-CCC-Translations-SPOILERS?p=1188328&viewfull=1#post1188328
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How does CCC flow?

F/E was literally days of grinding linked with some info hunting around school and then a guaranteed elimination battle.

I assume the Moon Cell HGW isn't a thing anymore? Is there an open map of sorts?
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General Patton would be an amazing Rider.

Could you imagine his Noble Phantasm being a FUCKING TANK?
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>>100579647
Bitch please, why would I want some burger when I could have THE Magnificent Bastard.

Sandstorm+battalion of tanks NP
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>>100579700
And I this.
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>>100579644
Still an arena of sorts, much more heavy story element as it's no longer just the exact same sort of thing repeated six or seven times as shit is constantly changing as you and everyone else are trying to escape the Far Side of the Moon before everyone dies, and there may no longer be a date system if I recall?

I'm a bit sketchy on it, but the plot is certainly more involved this time around at least.
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>>100579647
>>100579727

General Patton Rider when?
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>>100579647

I still want to see F/E Rider's NP animated in full, it'd be like GoB but with a fleet emerging from an invisible wall behind Rider spanning for miles across, the Cannonfire being constant, like minutes of sustained NP level cannonfire and Rider at the Wheel of her own Ship as she and the fleet fire so much fucking artillery they get engulfed in smoke.

I want to see her NP vs Alexander's, hers is 'Anti-Army' after all.

I'm really happy with the hero choices for F/E actually, though I'm a bit annoyed with the constant gender bending.
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>>100578020
>>100578254
If you haven't played CCC yet, quit making up bullshit, you cocksucker.

The bar wasn't raised at all in CCC when it comes to gameplay.

In fact, it was lowered even more for the casual.

It is even easier to save scum and battles are even easier.
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>>100579757

Do Heroic Servant boss battles happen here and there now? Like unexpectedly if you've not played it before?
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>>100579757
Oh yeah, and it sounds like in order to proceed to each new arena you have to enter peoples hearts and force open their deepest secrets to get the key. The people you have to force open and understand are pretty much everyone in the cast, and you will know everything about them in the end including their fetish.

First one up is maybe Tohsaka

The story after all has a deep connection to love, secrets, romance, and even the sexual parts of love as they're reflected often enough. Also there's Punishment Time when you use the secrets you've gained towards someone to strip away the last of their secrets(their clothes) and reveal everything about them, I believe.
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>>100579647
Stonewall Jackson would be a cool Rider.
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>>100579844
They dropped from the Japanese version a line that implies its actually the Queen pretending to be Francis.
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>>100579914
>It is even easier to save scum and battles are even easier.

Isn't that the point? People wanted it easier so they could just get to the plot, while other people who still didn't hate it could choose to not have those options on.
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>>100578267

It's less of that and more symbolic. Saber represented ideals, Sakura represented reality. They were two lifestyles. Killing Saber was the same as ignoring Sakura's obvious issues in other routes.
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>>100579936
>and even the sexual parts of love

We find out what turns people on?

Anyway, that whole post sounds great, F/E has nothing that interesting in it. Sounds like they broke free of the 'Persona Lite' structure, good for them.
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>>100579757
I like how you act like you played CCC when you are nothing more than a summaryfag posing as someone who actually played the game.
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>>100579844
They took out a small bit of dialogue in the English version it seems that states there's a certain legend about how Francis Drake and Queen Elizabeth used to trade places until she took a scar on her face.

Guess who has the scar here
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>>100579989
Less reality and more cynicism.
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>>100579970
Yet we have a fake gamer fanboy in this thread praising CCC and actually pretending that CCC's gameplay was somehow a massive improvement from Extra's gameplay when barely anything changed at all.

He even says in his posts he never played CCC yet all his posts are him praising a game he never played to the extent it sounds like pure advertising.
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>>100579936

One of the things that I really hated about that is how small the nipples appear to be when they only have petals covering them.
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>>100580011
You can read a lot of it in the bios

Tamamo's fetish is souls, Nero's fetish is all of them, Archer's has something to do with body lines, and Gilgamesh is into perfection. Rin likes money, BB likes eyes, and Jinako likes shota with a deep voice or something.

http://pastebin.com/u/breakfastcontinental
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>>100578956

He doesn't see her as a person, but as an object: a possession. He loves her as he loves, I don't know, his wine. It's funny because Saber gets offended by his objectification when she objectified herself and reminded Shirou she's not a person for the course of Fate route.

He considers her a treasure and not a real human being. That's why he doesn't have consideration for her feelings. CCC and Zero shows that when he fucking does this, he acts differently.
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>>100580183
>Tamamo's fetish is souls

What

>Nero's fetish is all of them

... oi m8
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What was you favorite fight scene?
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Tamamo is a god, she can see into souls, and she likes a nice hot looking soul.
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>>100578946
Manuel Komnenos. Based Manuel would top Saber at her own game while still being magnificent as fuck.
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>>100579251

Didn't you listen to his Zero character song: Crimson Eyes? It's a lament to his anguish and loneliness without Enkidu.

When he heard he was going to die, he offered to be killed in his place.
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>>100578946

All of them.
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>>100580337

Caster keeps letting slip in F/E that she wants to shag my brains out, it's quite cute and funny at the same time because she's trying to not saying just not trying very hard.

It's surprising how sexual she is, I thought she'd be more about 'Romantic Love'.
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>>100580474

The most romantic girl is Sakura in CCC. Remind me a bit to Saber and Arc routes only with a happier outcome.
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>>100580474
She's also a Masochist

If she receives 30,000 damage throughout the playthrough, you'll unlock her wedding dress.
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>>100580474
She's every kind of love, but it's important to get her E-Matrix conversation and learn the real truth there as well. Hers is probably the hardest to get out of the three, but it's still easily doable as long as you don't miss any conversations prior.
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>>100580330
Archer vs. Lancer.

Cool melee, "mindgames, son" banter, NP clash based on concepts. It's perfect.
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>>100580566
MC seems more and more like an S after Punishment Time
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Caster in F/E is a fusion of Lewd and Cute the likes I've never seen of before, I didn't think you could have a cutesy character that was so lewd before, the two things seem too different.
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I liked it when Caster said that the Enemy Caster in F/E were 'trollops' that were 'eye humping' you.
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>>100580566

Do they allow you to track that damage progress this time?
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>>100580777
So what was your answer in the end?
Yes or No?
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>>100580777
>>100580822

I don't remember this conversation.
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>>100580795
Certain conversations in the game are only unlocked by certain conditions. Killing enough of the special enemies in the arena, getting a certain amount of money with the right servant, taking too much damage with the right servant, there's quite a few special conditions there.

And no, it's not tracked.
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>>100580822
>Answering No to Alice
Only heartless fiends can do so
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>>100580865
During week three against Alice
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>>100580183
Archer likes curves
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>>100580822

I don't know what you mean. If you mean did I tell Alice I cared for her I said yes, couldn't bring myself to say no.

>>100580865

It was a generic convo in Week 4.
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>>100580640

Caster is character that you usually see pervert character like Kuroko but worked both way and personally to me, its worked better as MC
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Isn't Alice's Caster identity a massive curveball for the series? IS it only under the Moon Cell that it's allowed?
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>>100581036
Caster is the route where it's recommended to pick MC, just like it's recommended to pick FeMC during Archer's route. Nero doesn't care either way so it's not a big deal for her, but certain conversations are different with each protag.
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>>100581067
Nasu really seemed to like Narita's Fate/Strange, even if most of it isn't canon and Nasu is only picking and choosing what he likes from it as canon like Enkidu's design.

Still the concept of Alice is rather familiar with another concept from that series, where Rider was like the Bubonic Plague or something. Except a sentient fairy tale that takes the form of the user is a bit more believable than a plague taking form like that.
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>>100581132
Pfft, good luck.
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>>100581282

In her NP isn't she even stronger than a full power Tamano simply because she believes she is?
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The one thing I don't get about Nero, is that why is her Aestus Domus Aurea not a reality marble? I mean there is no reason it couldn't be one and her personality is strange enough to have been one of the 6 humans who achieved it.
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>>100581412
Doubtful, no that's rather unlikely. It's stated that even Sane and normally functioning Arcuied stands a low chance against Ammy unless they're fighting on the Moon or something. Still Nero's NP is probably what let her travel faster than the speed of light across the universe at the end of True Route to save her master. There are probably limits, it has to be something she can entirely believe, and her headaches cause it to falter after a bit, but it can be a very powerful weapon when used.
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>>100581517
Rather than something that replaces the world it's something that is built on top of the world, if I recall.

>The Flamboyant Golden Theatre (Noble Phantasm)

>Aestus Domus Aurea. Red Sabre's Noble Phantasm, which represented the explosion of her bothersome artistic talent.
>Its precise name was Aestus Estus Domus Aurea.
>In Latin, Aestus Ustus meant "passion" and "heat", while Domus Aurea was the name of the theatre that was constructed.
>It was the manifestation of the tale of Red Sabre declaring "Heed my song!" and locking everyone in the theatre to listen to his singing.
>It created a golden theatre in which everything was advantageous to Sabre, and made it into the battle field. There were rose petals dancing in the air.
>It was different from a Reality Marble, which covered the current World with a different World. The Golden Theatre could persist for long periods because it was built on top of the current World.
>As an aside, when the Golden Theatre was risen, Sabre's sworld would be shrouded in flames like that of the Mount Vesuvius, causing an infernal. Such was the initial design.
>However, it was cut because of the difficulty to animate. The sad limit of handhelds.
>In terms of derivatives, it seemed that there was the Silver Workshop for Sabre's artistic endeavours, and "Blazing Kitchen" for cooking competitions.
>Such was the will of Her Majesty.
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>>100581412
The Golden Theater is only B-rank, so not really.
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Saber is my typemoon waifu
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>>100581586
Arcuied's NP is only E rank, but it's said to be a conceptual advantage that would effect even BB herself.
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>>100581579
I don't mean in-verse, I mean as a design choice.
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>People still watching the animus before playing the VN
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>>100581633
Arcueid is also a True Ancestor who's base existence surpasses just about everything below gods as a matter of course.
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>>100581637
Because it's something different

>It was different from a Reality Marble, which covered the current World with a different World. The Golden Theatre could persist for long periods because it was built on top of the current World.

It's designed to be something that superficially resembles a RM so we can understand the concept, but at the core it's entirely different. Why is that you ask? Because that's what it was designed to be for whatever reason Nasu envisioned here.

Still it's said to be something of even greater Thaumaturgy level than even a reality marble here.
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>>100568206
your faggotry knows no bounds. iskander is the best.
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>>100581754
So super special waifu bullshit?
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>>100581782
>Not being a faggot for Gil.

Its like you don't want his D.
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>>100581633
That was her stats only as an inferior Berserker version of herself and her master was pretty shit
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>>100581782
Bara is best

LOT AT THE TASTE THIS MOTHERFUCKER HAS

ARE THOSE KETTLE CHIPS?

YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS THEY ARE
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>>100581805
Nah, just a different kind of bullshit than normal, but what really makes it different is just that it doesn't replace reality but is just built on reality. It's not that huge of a change honestly, but it's enough to net it into a different category entirely. It might be a bit closer to something like Arc's castle I guess.

It's not "Super special ultimate can do anything matron" here, after all it's still a B rank phantasm and has some definition to what it can and can't do in some ways. Still just because it's defined as "Not quite a reality marble" doesn't really make it Mary Sue bullshit at least.
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>>100581754
Aureus is High-Thaumaturgy, Reality Marbles are near-sorcery.

As far as mysteries go, Reality Marbles tend to have greater weight.
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>>100581732
Being a true ancestor actually makes her surpass gods actually because being summoned with the divinity tribute under her master in Extra actually weakened Arc.
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>>100581941
NPs don't tend to change rank because of the master, but even then her NP isn't rank E because of him while still being stated to be able to effect anyone on the Mooncell regardless of their status or godhood. It might be less in terms of Divine Mystery perhaps as one explanation, but I kind of doubt it's due to the master here.
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>>100581993
>Bara is best
go fap to wreck it ralph.
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>>100582073
It's not just the divinity, most of it was stated in the bio to be the fact that her master just sucked all around and was gimping her because of his incompetence.

Almost every page in her Bio states "She can't use this due to the incompetency of her master"
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>>100582008
Make of the bio what you will, but that's one way to take it.
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>>100582080
It is due to the Master, you idiot.

Go read Extra's complete material.

Arc's master in Extra fucked up her stats and powers.

All her abilities got downgraded and she couldn't even use them like how they are supposed to be used.

Arc was even summoned under a class that wasn't herself and given attributes like divinity where none existed before on her original person.

Arc may have had one of the worst masters in Extra, second to Shinji.
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>>100582105
I had to google that reference but at least it lets me see you for the /co/ward you are.
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>Pretentious elitist fagbag better than glorious broskander.

That statement actually says a lot about the kind of people on /a/ and the traits they view as desirable.
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>>100582210
not everyone likes 300 lb masses of fat, grease and hair.
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>>100582211
She didn't have divinity as an ability though
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>>100582080
I don't think we've ever seen another servant with a master so incompatible they nerfed their servant, so that's not something you can really claim.

Given how all of her personal and class skills have heavy nerfs, it's not too unbelievable.
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>>100582226
just go to the waifu thread with your brillopadfu.
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>>100582276
Do you know the difference between an attribute and an ability?

If no, then stop posting. I don't have time to talk with idiots who refuse to accept they are wrong.
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>>100582211
Shinji was actually a good master and very compatible with Rider, but the way he didn't take it seriously because he thought it wasn't real gimped him quite a bit there. He's got like an older sister and little brother thing going on with Rider, and even she wanted to teach him more about the world while showing him so much there before she died.

Little Ronnie was definitely worse there
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>>100582202
We have two EX ranked ones and one that's E- ~ A++ to the Golden Theater's B.

Only other reference to it's potency refer to it as a high-thaumaturgy, which is the same as rm but those also have the distinction of being near sorcery as I said.
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>>100582247
If you want to fuck some hairless, petite, waif, then why don't you stick to girls?

A nice thick cock and MUSCLES are sexy as fuck
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>>100582465
No, Shinji didn't respect Rider at all and was arrogant to the extent that Rider's advice telling him to start fighting seriously was only followed very late in the game where he was gonna lose for good.

When Shinji started dying, Rider even had to tell Shinji to essentially suck it up because it was his choices that lead to this bad end scenario.
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>>100582465
Rin said he had potential as someone to watch out for, but he was just too much of an idiot to realize the situation he was in here.
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>>100582613
>A nice thick cock and MUSCLES are sexy as fuck
if you want bara why don't you just go full tranny and make yourself into the woman?
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Arc in Extra was essentially summoned as a different species which made her stats and abilities shit-tier because she was forced to become a spirit of man when she is originally suppose to be a spirit of nature.

Arc's shitty master in Extra was just that bad that even her character profile in the Extra Complete Material just keeps repearting to the reader how her Master was just that crappy.
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>>100582692

Kid was 8 years old...
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>>100582815
I believe he's even listed as her worst enemy in the data-books after what she went through with him.

>Blood type: Unknown
>Hair color: Blond
>Eye color: Red, Purple (left as Berserker)
>Likes: Humans
>Dislikes: Gatou
>Talents: World breaking
>Natural enemy: Gilgamesh
>Image Color: White
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gilgamesh is such a bad, flat character. He reminds me of nobody but gaston from the beauty and the beast.
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>>100582949
Well, he's listed under dislikes at least
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>>100582815

They needed to go out of their way to make her defeat more understandable though.
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fucking Nasu
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>>100582720
Because I like being Bara myself. A little fagbag like you who has to settle for manlets wouldn't understand.

I bet you don't even lift
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>>100583035

Laugh all you want, you'll never have sex that good.
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Seems like not enough people here actually like Kiritsugu.
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>>100584200
Kiritsugu was a faggot. I'm glad the mud made the remainder of his life hell
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>>100584200
He deserves every bit of suffering he got
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>>100584268
gee, I wonder who could be behind this post
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>>100584200
>Liking manchildren with chuuni syndrome
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I know this is kinda a fate/ thread but as it is still nasuverse I imagine this is okay.

What the fuck is Ciel talking about here? I've never even heard of a concept before in the nausverse.
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>>100584454
Feels close to some things mentioned before in Fate

Sounds kind of like the idea that the soul is already formed somewhat when the human is still an embryo, kind of like their path or ideals might already be set in a way since before birth.
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>>100584454
Nigger do you even into the Akashic Records?
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Pick one.
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>>100584657
Gil is a beta
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>>100584550
In context it sounded like it was something was scaled from person to person. Like Shiki apparently has high 'spiritual conception' and so could tune into the dreams of people who were similar to him, like he did with SHIKI.
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>>100584657
None of the above
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So : Is Gallahand going to be the next Saber we get in a Fate/work?
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>>100584657
Ko-Gil is the only one that isn't a total faggot.
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>>100585154
Fate/CCC is supposedly Nasu's final entry here to the franchise, but maybe someone else may still have Grail War stories to ell here.

I wonder if this is the kind of series where people can keep it up without the original author having a hand in it since he's been a major part of every one that's come out so far here. Can someone tell a story that involves another member of the Round without Nasu giving them some kind of rough idea to branch out from here?

Maybe they can say that he was summoned in the second war, since we know the third war was twin Sabers that were sort of originally the same person with two different masters.
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>>100585376
Pretty much.
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>>100585154
Galahad has no reason to seek the Grail.
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>>100583035
>>100583231
Newfag much? Vomit wasn't even in the original line. That line was a TakaJun original and you would already know this if you lurked on /a/.
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>>100585584
what was the original line then? "it feels so good I want to shit myself"?
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>>100585624
The closest American phrasing for the original Japanese line should have been "It feels so good that my head is spinning".

The Japanese word for "vomit" does not exist in the original line. TakaJun had a shit tier English vocabulary when he was translating F/SN.
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>>100584200
Kerry was a spectacular character. Favorite master in the series. he was still wrong.
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>>100568206
Too bad he didn't have enough swords in stock.
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>>100582211
And then there was that master who couldn't even get the 2 keys to fight. How shitty do you have to be to just not be able to do that?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeGg0uXILcs
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>>100579641
>that enkidu story
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>>100588893
Damn it, I want that Archer chibi.
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>>100581605
>the miniskirt
Why?



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