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Previous thread: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100527117/
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J: 不誠実新緑
E: Perfidious verdure
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>>100564175
>Perfidious verdure

I had more success understanding what this means by looking at the kanji.
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I just realized I have no idea how to say "What are you thinking about?" or what the reply is. Guess it's time to spend hours looking it up and making sure it means what alc says it means.
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>>100564765
ejje.weblio.jp/content/何を考えているの
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>>100564765
何は、何が、何を、思うについてですか?
俺は、チンポを思いますよ
Source: I'm a Japanese master
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>>100564860
>、思うについてですか?
>俺は、チンポを思いますよ
Not only is that what I thought it was, it's also the reply I had in mind, although I had a "can't stop" somewhere in there.

arigatoudegozaimasu名無し先生
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>>100564860
>>100564992
but that's incorrect. >>100564859 is what you'd actually say
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>>100565184
special replies get special thanks.
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>>100565184
I think it was a joke dude.
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Is there a download of the second Yotsuba reading pack? If not, is it worth the money?
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俺はいつもちんこを考えてるよ
やめられないんだ
今でもちんこを中で感じたい
ちんこがないともう生きられない
お願いだからちんこ入れてよ、はやく
ちんこちんこちんこうぉおおおおお
This is probably what you wanted to say
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>>100565325
You never know with DJT.
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>>100565351
It's within the last 2-5 threads, check the archive.
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>>100565358
Nothing evades my knowledge.
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>>100564765
Question:
(今)何(を)考えて(い)る?
Answer:
Whatever the hell you're thinking about, in Japanese.
俺は「この人、日本語はまだまだだな」って考えいてる。
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お前ら元気だな…見ていて楽しいよ
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>>100564175
Am i the only one who sees it as
不誠実新婦
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>>100565472
こら動物園じゃねぇよここは
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Anyone have any suggestions for grammar videos, or alternative methods for learning grammar?
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>>100565472
見ないで
・・・イ、イキそう―――!
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How do I say lick the dog's taint in Japanese?

I'm talking to this fat Japanese hikki on skype and she will do anything for attention.
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>>100565576
Did you not find Tae Kim, Genki, or Japanese the manga way to your liking?
I guess you're fucked up.
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>>100565576
read
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>>100565519
Yes. Some of us have poor vision and need to make things bigger.
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>>100565576

Only decent grammar videos that exist.

http://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm
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Do you ever go around /a/ posting in Japanese for no reason? I seem to do this a lot.
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>>100565649
いい加減にしろ
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>>100565727
すごく…大きいです…
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>>100565807
I used to a long time ago, but then I decided it was more fun to post where someone might actually respond, such as this thread.
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>>100565823
彼女もそう言った
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>>100565663
>Did you not find Tae Kim, Genki, or Japanese the manga way to your liking?
Nope, I'm more of a Visual learner that learns off of watching and listening than reading.
Its just the way I am.
Tae-kim was too much of a clusterfuck.
Genki gets tiring.
Haven't tried the third.

>>100565750
That looks nice, but do they cover enough to actually get anything done?
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もう
自分のしわがれ声が嫌
もっと可愛い声が欲しい
女の子になりたい
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>>100565649
犬のおしっこをなめて
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Why are so many words pronounced as のおうでよ?

I'm trying to learn new vocabulary with Rikaisama and there are so many words that use the same pronunciation.
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>>100565807
Like on a 聖戦 to purify the board?
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>>100565970
俺はバター犬です。(´・ω・`)
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>>100565886
It seems that a considerable number of people are learning because of these threads now; I just posted a minute ago and he seemed to understand me but didn't know レスするとは。Just a random person and he happened to be learning Japanese.
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>>100565916

>That looks nice, but do they cover enough to actually get anything done?

It covers enough that I got tired of watching after about six hours and I was barely quarter through it. I prefer books.
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>>100566049
Well, what I mean is do they go through enough grammar to actually be able to read anything?
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>>100565927
俺も
でもしかたないから、自分を認めるしかないよ
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>>100566109

Based on the names of the chapters and the length of each of them, it seems to cover more than Tae Kim does.

At the very least it will give you a good enough foundation to get you going and you can just use grammar books for reference when you're trying to read things.
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Anyone else developed new and interesting fetishes due to japanese? There was a time where I didn't know 妊夫 was a thing and was a better person for it.
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>>100566031
Hmm, gonna be hard to have a conversation with someone like that I imagine.
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>>100566245
Well futanari in general, I thought it was totally sick but that was because I'd only ever seen 3DPD shemales.
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>>100566245
>Anyone else developed new and interesting fetishes due to japanese?

うむ
ロリコンになった
どMになった
足フェッチになった
脇フェッチになった
少しでもホモになった
手フェッチになった

あれ?となると、日本でなけりゃ俺普通の人間かもしれなかったか。。。まいいか
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>>100566245

>Anyone else developed new and interesting fetishes due to japanese?

Mother incest, aunt incest, sister incest, morbid obesity, girls with a lot of pubic hair, cripples masturbating, mentally ill girls masturbating, mothers with penises, and red hair.
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>>100566395
普通とか変態とかもうどうでもいいよね
好きなことを素直に好きだと言えるようになったんだ
ありがとうジャパン
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>>100566395
ちなみに現実の子供にはまったく興味がないので逮捕しないでね
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Why has a delinquent drug subculture formed within DJT?
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>>100566245
日本語はセックス自体だ
日本語を話すだけで絶頂に達しそうだ
嗚呼、なんて気持ちいいんでしょうか
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>>100565927
私も迷い魂です。現実の世界を忘れておって、なぜなら私たちの呪いは永久です。
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>>100566578
I assume it's just a few people, either way I have no interest so I just ignore them.
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>>100566464
>cripples masturbating, mentally ill girls masturbating
Yeah I could see that.
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>>100566237
Well thank you very much these look rather good, if a bit old, but that doesn't bother me
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>>100566578
俺らじゃない
/jp/の不愉快な移民どもだ
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>>100566578
Adderall has been advocated in here since the beginning. It's just really good for studying.
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>>100566276
Indeed, however, that same kind of person is in the Daily Japanese Thread; more impressive posters appear on the rest of the board as well. That encounter was simply coincidental; I was talking to someone somewhere else on /a/ (i.e. a random event), used some Japanese, and they happened to have some skill level. It's a good sign.
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>>100566578

Any community based around studying will eventually develop an interest in drugs. Studying and stimulants almost always go hand in hand.

The number of Japanese learners on some kind of stimulant is most likely higher than the number of med students that take drugs, and that's currently about 80% of med school students in the US.
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>>100566764
この板の全体がいつか日本語を喋れるようになる。
今はその日を待つしかない
頼むよ、神さん
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>>100566612
現実を諦めないでほしいです
あなたなりに生きてほしいです
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>>100566926
"Just try it, everybody's doing"
I feel like I'm watching some dumb PSA from the 80's
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>>100567098
Upper level colleges are well known for their drug use.
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>>100566996
>この板の全体がいつか日本語を喋れるようになる。

無理
1%でも日本語をしゃべるようになったら「奇跡」は過言ではない
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>>100566926
>Adderall, can't pass without it!
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>>100567165
栄光と名誉の為に戦うのだ
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>>100567158
All colleges are known for their getting shitfaced-ness
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>>100567200
We're not trying to be rebels, were just using things to make up for our lack of willpower. It's not for recreational purposes, it has no such euphoric effect as a prescription drug. It's not like 12 year olds talking about how cool weed is.
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Grammatically how does 「誰だお前?」 work? Isn't the sentence backwards or something?
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>>100567098

Japanese just has a high learning curve and requires huge amounts of memorization. In this way, it's similar to medical school since the overwhelming amount of memorization that is required is what usually compels them to start taking drugs.

It's used in colleges for every subject to varying degrees, some subjects more than others, but any of the subjects that require intense sessions of memorization will be flooded with drug use. It's inevitable.
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>>100567276
I prithee thou not to indulge in such inveterate, abhorrent behaviors.
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>>100567368
I ain't got a problem with it, more with the shit that requires it.
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>DJT - Drug Justification Thread
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>>100567368
>has no such euphoric effect
Anything above a small dose and some redbull disagree with you.
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>>100567389
Yeah it's backwards.
Who are you? お前は誰だ
You, who are you? 誰だお前
Essentially.
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>>100567368
>amphetamines
>not euphoric
The shit lies to your brain and tells you your having fun getting sucked off by god hisself so you can do litterally anything for hours without giving a single fuck. Now this topic needs to die.
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How do I check the remaining new cards in an Anki deck?
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>>100567556
How can you have the だ particle in a question? Has the Korean led me astray by saying it cannot be used in questions since it is declarative?
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>>100567609
Make sure the deck is selected and click the statistics button.
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>>100567570
>hisself
This sounds like something a nigger would say.
I take it. It's not europhia. I feel calm, and that's it. I feel neither the ability to feel very happy nor the ability to feel very unhappy, I just feel stable and secure and protected.
You got a problem with it, bully?
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もう薬の話はほっとけよ
どうでも良いじゃん
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>>100567627
Yes. You can make a perfectly valid question with だ.

これはいったいなんなのだ!
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>>100567627
> Has the Korean led me astray by saying it cannot be used in questions since it is declarative?
Yeah. People use it in questions that are blunt, and often said when the person saying the question is pissed off or at least somewhat agitated.
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>>100567519

The euphoria goes away after about a week as long as you don't start abusing your prescription and doubling your doses.

It will always have some degree of mood lifting to it, that's why it used to be prescribed as an antidepressant, and this can be incorrectly perceived as euphoria by people who are so used to depression that it has become their default state of mind (NEETs), but the actual "I can't stop dancing~ We disco now~" euphoria is impossible to maintain for longer than about a week without developing a tolerance to it.
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>>100567725
Nope Not a single one. Best thing I ever did until I had to get off the ride from the side effects. Also, prolonged daily use turns you into a zombie within 10 years. Lots of ADHD kids out there who've had the life burned from them entirely by it's brilliance.
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>>100567821
「なのだ」は違うだろう
紛らわしいからそんな事言わないでほしい
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>>100567880
Well I guess you don't stare into the sun unless you can handle it's radiance.
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>>100567909
違ってないと思うよ
少なくとも絶対聞いたことがある

気がする
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>>100567734
まあね
ただ、毎日アノン君にアドバイスを言ってるから、黙っていられないかもね
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>>100568015
これはいったいなんだってよく使われる言い回しだ
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>>100568015
「なのだ」は疑問でも正しいよ
でも「誰だ」とは違う形になってる
例えば「赤だ?」って言ったら不自然に聴こえる
「赤なの?」か「赤なんだ?」が普通
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>>100568062
でも、「XはYなのだ」って文の形もよく見えるだろう
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>>100567821
Couldn't you use 「何なんだ」 in place of 「なんなのだ」 or does it sound weird without the よ (何なんだよ)?
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>>100567880

>Also, prolonged daily use turns you into a zombie within 10 years.

If you were taking enough to consistently feel like, as you described, "you your having fun getting sucked off by god hisself so you can do litterally anything for hours without giving a single fuck" then you were getting high on it over and over again. In that case, it will definitely turn you into a zombie.

10 years of getting high on any amphetamine will completely burn out your dopamine receptors until it gets to the point that the pills do nothing but make you feel like shit. It's identical to what happens to people who smoke meth for years.

This is only if you're getting high though. Many people don't realize that you're not supposed to feel high on prescription amphetamines and so they keep getting their dose bumped up higher and higher for years to maintain that euphoria that they incorrectly believe is the intended feeling of prescription amphetamines.

When taken at therapeutic dosages though, you could take amphetamines your entire life and never become a zombie. It just doesn't burn out your dopamine receptors unless you're getting high.
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>>100568224
そりゃそうだけど、俺の答えた問は「どうやって文尾に”だ”を付けて疑問文ができるのか?」と言うアノンの疑問だった。「誰」とかは関係ないでしょう
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>あの人たちは皆、同じ方向を見ている。

This is from Core 2k, but it seems a little redundant. Could I write 「皆は同じ方向を見ている」 or 「あの人たちは同じ方向を見ている」?
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I tink zeruda get stale, so I make windu waika.

You hate windu waika and tink it fo babies, so I forrow OOT and make tuwairaito purincess

Oooo but nooo no you hate TUWAIRATO PRURINCESS. YOU ROVU WINDU WAIKA NOW.

WELL YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU RIKE!

SO IT THIS E3 I MAKE MORPHU WITH TUWAIRATIO PURINCESSU AND WINDU WAIKA CARRED
SKYWARDU SWORTU

AND YOU DONTU RIKE SKYWARDU SWORTU TOO. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA AND TUWAIRATIO PURINCEESSU NOW.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU WANT??!!?!?!

DATS WHY I MAKE WII SPORTS AT REAST KIDS AND MOMS WIRR ARWAYS RIKE IT
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>>100568451
You could that would just amount to writing なん in kanji and shortening the の to an ん.
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>>100568655
It's similar to the difference of saying "All of those people are looking at the same direction." and "Those people are looking at the same direction."
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>>100568662
/v/に帰ってくれ
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>>100568514
How are those AstraZenica stocks doing? You keeping 'em up there?
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>>100568655
I believe those are both fine, but the first example shows how 皆 can be used more or less adverbially, similar to 一緒に and so on. Emphasizes more clearly that all of those people think that way, or whatever. Has its uses.
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>>100568662
ごめん、これが俺の知恵遅れです。
逃げた。

知恵遅れちゃん、だまれください。
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>>100568850
>more or less adverbially

That's a good way to think of it, thanks.
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>>100568828

>AstraZeneca is a British-Swedish multinational pharmaceutical and biologics company headquartered in London, United Kingdom.
>British-Swedish

I thought that amphetamines were illegal over there?
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>>100568912
>俺の知恵遅れ
俺の知恵遅れ人です。
俺も知恵遅れ人でしょう。
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>>100568938
If you look it up on the ol' denshijisho it is in fact listed as both noun and adverb, anyway.
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>making progress with reading
>writing/production, speaking, and listening still shit
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>>100569075
Being still shit and being in the middle of making progress are not mutually exclusive. Everything takes practice anon.
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>>100569075
What does one do about production when vocab isn't the issue and cloze grammar decks are too simple to be of any use?
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>>100569075
俺は文書を書く能力も会話の能力も、最近上達したと思うけど、ちゃんと漢字を勉強しないと読むのは、まだだ。少なくとも、辞書を使わないと何も読めないんだ。恥ずかしい。
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>>100569305
Make sure you're starting from Japanese, don't start in English and translate. Read a lot, like a fuckton. If you read/listen enough eventually it will become second nature. While you're reading massive amounts, have natives correct you on lang-8 or an equivalent.
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>Spend three hours reading grammar books
>500 new kanji cards and over 1200 reviews.
>Finish that after five hours.
>150 new vocab cards and over 600 reviews.
>Finish after seven hours.
>Exhausted, everything hurts, my eyes feel like they're going to pop, I want to cry. I've done nothing but Japanese all day.
>Time to go to bed

お。。。
お。。。
。。おやすみなさい
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>>100568588
だから紛らわしい
脈絡からすると、いつでも「だ」って使えればいいと言ってるように思われるかも
語尾に「だ」が正しいわけじゃなく、「なのだ」が正しいので、そう言ったほうがいいと思うよね
それだけのこと
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>>100569451
Why do you people do this to yourselves? It is absolutely unnecessary to go through this kind of mental torture to learn Japanese.
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>>100569379
It's good to know I've been doing things right, at least. I've been adding to a sentence deck when I find something that has word and clause order I don't understand, and it's helped, but there's always that one thing where the 和 is turned up to 11.
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>>100569544
It can be fun at first but sometimes you just get carried away, that's all.
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>>100569519
ふむ、たしかに紛らわしいかも
分かった、これから気をつけます
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>>100569451
I guess this is the purpose of masochism.
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>>100569709
お前のお母さんのお母さんのお母さんのお母さんのお母さんの子供が可愛いですね。
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>>100569828
そ、そうですか…
ありがとうございます…
(見たことがないけど)
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>>100569828
俺のお母さんのお母さんのお母さんのお母さんのお母さんについて話すなよ
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>>100569451
Fuck, I kind of envy you.
I wish I could concentrate for that long - let alone 2 hours.
>inb4 drugs
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>>100570024
You could become a buddhist and go live in the mountains.
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>銭湯
And with one word I've learned three words, 4 readings, the history of currency, and a small part of the japanese cultural view on water. Learning is fun.
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>>100569451

>Start to procrastinate and see that it's almost the end of the day and I haven't completed anything.
>Suddenly the fury of my warrior ancestors awakens and fire courses through my veins. I'm consumed by an overwhelming desire to destroy every obstacle that this language tries to throw in my path.
>"I WILL NOT BE DEFEATED! NO ONE CAN BREAK THE ROCK OF GIBRALTAR!"
>Stayed awake for 48 hours, fueled by the fire inside of me and all of the coffee in the house, and I smashed through thousands of new cards.

I barely retained any of that and I started to experience visual hallucinations near the end, but it was a good several days.
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I'm losing my motivation to study. I'm afraid I'll give up eventually.

fug
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>>100570112
Consider: >>100570066
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リノに男を打殺すのだけために死ぬのを見た。

Does this make sense?
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>>100570200
Anon, if you have to ask...
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>>100569451
I just don't do the same as you because once I read that it's bad for your brain if you overdo things and that if you study in a decent peace everyday it'll be better in the long term. Maybe that site was wrong though and I should start overdoing my studies a bit more often.
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>>100570112
The Way of the Samurai is found in death. Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day when one's body and mind are at peace, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by arrows, rifles, spears and swords, being carried away by surging waves, being thrown into the midst of a great fire, being struck by lightning, being shaken to death by a great earthquake, falling from thousand-foot cliffs, dying of disease or committing seppuku at the death of one's master. And every day without fail one should consider himself as dead. This is the substance of the way of the samurai.
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>>100570200
Not really. What do you intend to say?
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>>100570261
k
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>>100570318
Probably "I killed a man in reno just to watch him die"
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>>100570261
I used to do this, but then I realized that I'm immortal.
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>>100570318
I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
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>>100570261
だから、アレが張るになっているの。
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>>100570429
言っている意味がさっぱり解からん
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>>100570360
Hm, I'd probably go with

死ぬのを見るためだけに、リノで男を射た。
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>>100570249

>if you study in a decent peace everyday it'll be better in the long term

Sounds like the typical lazy western pseudo-science that our cultures use to justify their laziness. It's dripping out of all those pop psychology magazines.

Compare the study achievements of the east and the west though. I look at the west and see lazy and fat children that can barely gather the willpower to do the bare minimum amount of their studies and then they get a pat on the back for barely passing. I look at the east and I see Japanese children that are ripping and tearing through studies at such a fast speed that their 7 year old children are smarter than most of our adults.

The difference is that these kids work like machines to achieve those results. They never take it easy, they're always pushing themselves further and further, and if they tried to take it easy then their mothers would be smacking the shit out of them. They do so well because they don't believe in western pseudo-science like "burnout", "study fatigue", and "lack of motivation", they just ignore their emotions and they grind and grind until they've beaten the rest of us by miles.
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>>100570637
But how can that be true when there are only 7 million people on earth
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>>100570615
死ぬ時を観察したかった気分になったら、リーノでの男性を撃っちまった
辺りが激おこぷんぷん丸になって逃げ出したんだ
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>>100570743
>したかった気分
したい気分に*
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>>100570637
>tfw it's too late for me now
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( ゚∀゚)o彡゚めきめきまーに
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>>100570637
Quality of life, my hard working friend. The first world has a bevvy of health problems it shouldn't compared to some fetid, subtropical shithole because of this. マイペース is the only way to go or you end up with a sea of social dropouts. Like japan has in far greater numbers than even the overworked US.
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男の断末魔が聞きたかったぜ
苦しんでる顔が見たかっただけ
恐怖のあまりでまるで前が見えなくなったその目、深く深く、魂まで見透かしたかったわけだ
だから、殺した
拳銃を持って、バンバンバン!って撃った
ああー!
その快感は一生忘れられないぜ!
今でも思い出すと、まるでその顔をまた見てる
最高だったぜ
お前も一度でもやってみな
is what I came up with but I think it may be a bit different from the original
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>>100570859
お前の中を入れたい。
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>>100570956
Excuses are in the end just excuses.
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>>100570637
And yet it's our way that produces the most elite of the elite. There's a reason why US and UK colleges sweep the floor with every asian college, the only one that comes even close is Todai and that's not even top 20.
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>>100571015
You want to insert his insides.
indrasting...
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What do you think of Japanese CorePLUS? I wonder about how good it is because started with it with audio files and after blowing through the first 500 cards, as I've studied before this, I'm getting words like legislator, party (political), and political measures while words like 川、木、青い、and 夕方 are hundreds later.
Shouldn't there be some everyday useful words when starting? Is the vocab in this deck in a poor order, or is there some rearranging I was supposed to do? Do you think it's a poor deck?
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>>100570637
>because they don't believe in western pseudo-science like "burnout", "study fatigue", and "lack of motivation"
Right, which is why they end up burning themselves out and jumping in front of the chuo rapid express to tokyo.
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>>100570956
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments

guess what stage japan's at
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>>100571003
レノの中
男を射たぜ
見ただけな
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>>100571111
俺は日本なんだ。
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What is your favorite quimic element?
Mine is 膣素.
液体膣素 is so cool.
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>>100571173
おい窒素だろw
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>>100571095
>ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/世界大学ランキング
>http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%A6%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0#ENSMP.E4.B8.96.E7.95.8C.E5.A4.A7.E5.AD.A6.E3.83.A9.E3.83.B3.E3.82.AD.E3.83.B3.E3.82.B0
There seems to be some major disagreement.
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>>100571155
We need to let Japan exterminate Korea so it can raise it's birthrate.
Two birds one stone as they say in my country.
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>>100571155
I see that passed around online a lot, it always sounds like such bullshit. >They were dubbed “the beautiful ones”. Come on, who wrote this?
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>>100571217
>QS world: Todai is 32nd
>THE: Todai is 23rd
>世界大学学術ランキング Todai is 20th

No, not really
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可愛い子が何をやっても可愛いよね
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I'm not sure if this is the place to post this, but I figure why not. I was considering buying some manga in Japanese because I figured it would be a fun way to expand my vocabulary. But then I checked on CDJapan and Amazon.jp and the a lot of stuff I looked at was either out of stock or would ship in 2-4 weeks. My question is are there any good places for buying manga in Japanese?
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>>100571354
Why is motorcycle man crying?
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>>100571417
いや、可愛くないことをしたら可愛くなくなる
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>>100571528
http://honto.jp/netstore.html
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/
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>>100571529
He realized he's Chinese.
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>>100571529
That's just chemical in the air reacting with his skin and forming a pool on his scalp. Nothing out of the norm.
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>>100571361
An animal psychologist. Crazy amoral motherfuckers with a sick sense of humor. But then, normalfags don't even think of these things or what would happen.
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I know I've done this before but I can't seem to remember how. How do I make a specific new card in my deck appear in the next group of new cards to be learned?
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>>100570637
Well, I guess you have a point. I'll try raising my studies. It's really that I'm just afraid my mind won't retain the information I'm absorbing because I'm overdoing it.
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>>100571614
ありがとうございます。
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>>100571155
Argument by analogy fallacy.
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>>100571354
Is it Japanese? There isn't any strange ching chong kanji but it still look like chong
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>>100571155
This really isn't even related.
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>>100571694
It will and it won't. Anki is only 85-90% successful on average. You'll learn more, but you'll also have to deal with even more shit that just won't stick and a fuckton of leeches and more time spent grinding flashcards as opposed to reading things naturally or whatever you do that's both fun and educational.
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>>100571588
でも、お前可愛くないって言ったら怒ってる顔が最高に可愛いぜ
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>>100571095

>And yet it's our way that produces the most elite of the elite.

Our way doesn't produce anything though. It gives exceptional people the freedom to essentially teach themselves and then they succeed despite going through all of the pre-university level schools that structure their curriculum around the lowest common denominator.

Smart kids just aren't challenged by the western education system until they get to the university level, and that means that they had to teach themselves most of what they know and claw their way out of that bucket of stupidity that is pre-university western education.

If there's a flaw in the eastern education methods then the flaw is that it's geared towards educating the majority and it forces the average person to succeed despite himself and so it stifles the creativity of these exceptional people who could have done incredible things if their creativity hadn't been beaten out of them.

Is it a good trade though? Sacrifice the overwhelming majority of the population and push them out of highschool with a level of education that's equivalent to what a grade school child should have just so you can have some elite universities filled with geniuses? Western creativity is nice, but dealing with a population that is practically illiterate is much worse.
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>>100571816
What are you doing here if you don't know any Japanese?
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I just got to 腺 in RTK.

>Dig into your flesh and pull out a lymph gland. Now give it a squeeze and watch a spring of lymph spout out of it.

That's just gross. What the fuck, Heisig? I don't want to memorize something like that.
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>>100571895
うん、それはこの世の奇跡の一つである
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>>100571919
> Western creativity is nice, but dealing with a population that is practically illiterate is much worse.
I also think that people here are just simply stupid and probably couldn't be expected to higher standards anyhow because most of them are practically illiterate like you said.
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>>100571933
>Nothing found.
It's at times like these where I hate Kanji Damage. It feels really dumb to just cut down more than 200 kanji just because you think they're not "relevant" enough. And the worst part is that I end up meeting with some kanji in moege that kanji damage doesn't teach.
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>>100571919
The word you're looking for is alliterate. Not to mention you're ignoring the massive dropout rate in asia.
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>>100571919
>Our way doesn't produce anything though
Right, which is why the majority of the world's innovation in technology comes from the west.
> It gives exceptional people the freedom to essentially teach themselves
Instead of stifling their creativity and driving them to commit suicide at a young age
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>>100569279
It's hard to get writing practice since I am retarded and can hardly remember how to write Kanji. Admittedly I've put off writing since I don't have much of a use for it and I'd rather not have to focus on an additional thing. So that would just shift to production. I don't really have any japs to talk with and if I did I don't ever practice production so my replies would be nonexistent. Speaking is practically the same thing but tougher. All my practice of that is just saying my reps when they pop up or reading things outloud. Not even sure how I should work on listening comprehension. If I try and watch a show unsubbed I only understand 5-10%.
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>>100572095
> the massive dropout rate in asia.
Could you give a chart or something? Never heard of it. Not him.
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>>100571930
Fuck you, it doesn't have fucking kana but the kanji look Japanese with some in traditional form, it doesn't make sense to me but that's because it is 2hard.
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>>100570637
You know in japan they only need like a 30% to pass, right?
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>>100571919
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
Whoops, so much for Asians having a more literate population.
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>>100572152
Writing is pretty easy once you make it consistent. Seriously, the radicals follow a consistent order. For example, I find writing 恵 easier than this motherfucker 之.
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お前ら相変わらず釣られやすすぎ
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Any tips for improving handwriting? I'm still pretty early on and my English handwriting isn't so great either.
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>>100572343
Practice with grid paper and grind reps until it looks nice.
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>>100572248
I did and didn't learn kanji by the radical. Sure I notice the different radicals but I didn't create a mnemonic in my head using those radicals to remember the kanji. That's the reason my recognition is so much better.
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奥さん

Oh Japan you sly dog.
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>>100572055
>And the worst part is that I end up meeting with some kanji in moege that kanji damage doesn't teach.
Most of those probably aren't in RTK1 either.
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>>100572130
>Right, which is why the majority of the world's innovation in technology comes from the west.
A lot of technology and advances in electronics have been from Japan though. You also have to look at the differences in population, money sanctioned and available for such purposes, and the style of market. For example, the kind of market China is under is obviously not going to produce much innovation because of the elimination of competition.
>>100572205
It's clearly unsimplified Chinese. Probably a Taiwanese textbook or something.
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>>100572332
まあ、昨日よりはマシだと思うけど
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>>100572379

Is there a site that shows Kanji on a grid that I can reference?
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>>100572055
>using KD
>ever
It's so fucking bad. The biggest (and a real important) problem is the order that you learn things. Holy shit is it the most useless order in the world.
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>>100572385
I learn by handwriting mostly and I barely make any mnemonics, only when I feel like it, really.
>>100572379
http://daigotorena.moo.jp/lesson/kaisho-menu.htm
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>>100572095

>The word you're looking for is alliterate.

What? No, illiterate was the right word. There are plenty of adult Americans who have cannot read or write and even more who can only read or write at a grade school level. Go into an inner city area of a major US city and you will find hundreds of people who barely know how to spell their own name, which usually is often misspelled anyway because their parents didn't know how to spell either.
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>>100572611
Funny that I'm using KD's order but not even learning by mnemonics. Well, since I'm like in 1100 kanji right now (by handwriting them), I should just probably keep up with it until I'm over.
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>>100572635
What are you using to learn the kanji? Or rather what sort of order are you going?
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>>100572640
Also in backwards places like West Virgina. It's really not as uncommon as you'd imagine.
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>>100572682
You guys sure do love wasting your time don't you.
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>>100572640
Citation? They seem to be literate to me, though not exactly geniuses or anything.
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海の底に穴凹がある。
海の底に穴凹に丸太がある。
海の底に穴凹に丸太の上に瘤がある。
海の底に穴凹に丸太の上に瘤に蛙がいる。
海の底に穴凹に丸太の上に瘤に蛙の尾っぽに舞舞がいる。
(´・ω・`)
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>>100570149
Sadly I have family and school...
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>>100572752
It's not a waste of time (well, any more than learning Japanese at all is). He'll probably gain mastery of more kanji sooner, at the expense of not being able to really read anything while he's still learning.
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>>100572823
Placing things like family and school over learning the sacred tongue? You aren't worthy.
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>>100572752
Well, since I'm not using mnemonics, I'm just using a unusual order. It doesn't really change things in the end, just that I'll take more time to learn how to write useful kanji like 使. In a way, it's a waste of time, but in another, eventually I'll learn it, so it's a matter of time.
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>>100572864
I learned vocab while I was doing kanjidamage. It's not as dichotomous as people here would like to pretend it is.
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>>100572158
It's ill reported and I haven't seen new numbers in awhile but the gist is that they only teach to the front of the class and between middle school and college a noticeably large number of people either don't graduate or end up in trade school. This is compounded with the number of people who don't get into a good college and end up working shitty jobs outside their field of interest, if they can find one.
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>>100572790
There's a whale on the snail of the tail of the frog on the bump on the log at the bottom of the sea.
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>>100572933
Right, but unless you're learning kanji outside of KD order, you're not going to know ordinary words to actually be able to read any actual Japanese material.
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>>100572907
Why would you do KD if you aren't using the mnemonics? It's like the whole point of the method. Otherwise just go learn vocabulary and write those down in kanji.
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>>100572947
I'm sorry but I'm going to go ahead and wait for confirmed information. Excuse me.
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>>100572995
I was using kanjidamage as a source to more familiarize myself with kanji and learn stroke order. I was learning vocab both with the kanji I had learned from KD and completely separately.
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>>100572545
>A lot of technology and advances in electronics have been from Japan though
The US is still the most cited country in scientific discourse and has the largest output of scientific papers (not that all of them are necessarily good). You're free to look for another metric to go by though. I'd also like to mention that it should be a lot easier to devote money to research when your country doesn't really need to worry about defending itself.
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>>100572769

It's pretty bad. Huge portions of the nation are illiterate.

>A long-awaited federal study finds that an estimated 32 million adults in the USA — about one in seven — are saddled with such low literacy skills that it would be tough for them to read anything more challenging than a children's picture book or to understand a medication's side effects listed on a pill bottle.
>Overall, the study finds, the nation hasn't made a dent in its adult-literacy problem: From 1992 to 2003, it shows, the USA added about 23 million adults to its population; in that period, an estimated 3.6 million more joined the ranks of adults with low literacy skills.

>This government study showed that 21% to 23% of adult Americans were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."
>Roughly 40% were at either basic or below basic levels of proficiency in all three categories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-01-08-adult-literacy_N.htm
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>>100572933
We're discussing the merits of Kanjidamage itself. If you study outside of Kanjidamage, surely you have to recognize that the fruits of that aren't relevant to this discussion.
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>>100573005
It's because I want to at least recognize the radicals I know, not learn radicals by the usual japanese order. It looks more practical (in terms of kanji writing, not vocab etc.) to learn how to write a certain radical, and then write the kanji which contain that radical than to learn radicals randomly. It's like the other anon, said, though. I'm sacrificing capability of reading things and learning practical kanji, but in exchange I'll have an easier time when it comes to identifying and writing them down.
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>>100573083
>The US is still the most cited country in scientific discourse and has the largest output of scientific papers (not that all of them are necessarily good).
It's funny that you think that those papers are actually written by americans.
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>>100573151
Kanjidamage is helpful for becoming familiar with the kanji. I wanted to be able to write Japanese in my mind, so I was going to learn the stroke order for about 3k kanji anyway. Using a radical based method seems like a pretty good way to go about doing that.
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>>100573115

>about one in seven — are saddled with such low literacy skills that it would be tough for them to read anything more challenging than a children's picture book
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>>100571361
They were mice that literally spent all their time grooming themselves, and avoiding the injuries that come with interaction. They looked beautiful thus they were dubbed to be the beautiful ones.
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>>100573200
違う? 死ね!
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>>100573220
It's funny that you're trying to strawman your way out of the argument.
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>>100573115
I wonder where all these doofuses are, I never seem to meet them.

>It has been estimated that areas in the United States with higher immigrant populations have the lowest literacy rates in the country.

Makes sense, we sure have a shitload of immigrunts.
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>>100573200
I'm assuming this isn't yours? I wonder what level of class this would be.
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>>100573297
Have you even been to a university? Half the professors and more than half the grad students are foreign. The success of american universities doesn't necessarily imply the success of their teaching method.
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>>100573310

>I wonder where all these doofuses are, I never seem to meet them.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in this video is at least functionally illiterate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MGJ87hPGw
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>>100573310
I live around a bunch of fucking retards and it blows my mind how stupid people can be. I can understand some people are just naturally "more gifted" than others, but holy shit how people can be THAT dumb is just baffling.
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>>100573083
> I'd also like to mention that it should be a lot easier to devote money to research when your country doesn't really need to worry about defending itself.
The country has been in a recession and an unfavorable economic environment since the 90's.
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/7853723.html
The US has been leading things for a while, but everyone knows that the average US citizen is an idiot, and no matter how you try to go around this issue, that won't change.
>>100573220
As he says, a large portion are foreigners from other countries coming to US universities or people who are 2nd or 3rd generation Indian or Chinese or something.
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>>100572561
Go to any character's kanji details page on Jisho to see stroke order + grid.
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>>100573250
I agree. However, this doesn't mean it is the ultimate method, or that it doesn't have its failings as well.
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>>100573402
>eugenics will never again be an accepted science due to liberals being afraid to admit that human beings are not all the same
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>>100573410
My university has an ungodly amount of Chinese.

If they do better on average, as far as I can tell it is more due to cheating and whining than actual merit.
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>>100573367
>The success of american universities doesn't necessarily imply the success of their teaching method
So you're saying that people travel to America from all over the world to attend university because the universities suck at teaching? That's quite a leap in logic you just submitted yourself to. I also suggested you put forth your own metric of measurement if you weren't happy with the one I used.
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>>100573568
>If they do better on average, as far as I can tell it is more due to cheating and whining than actual merit.
That may help some of them, but I think we both know they didn't get that far with just that. They worked hard for it too.
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>>100573601
Grad students do research. They don't come here for the lecturers.
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>>100573552
I don't think anyone is claiming that. I used a modified version of kanjidamage where I replaced the keywords and mnemonics as well as rechecking the definitions of the words provided.

KD clearly has flaws, but being aware of them allows one to easily fix them. I just don't think KD deserves being shit on when it's a valuable study tool. Obviously you need many tools, but I don't think that discredits the merit of KD.
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>>100573659
As far as I can tell they aren't getting that much further than anyone else, at least where I am.
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>>100573672
What percentage of the ungraduate population is made up of foreign students compared to the graduate student population? Also I find it funny that foreign students only make up for 6% of the US college population yet people here are claiming they somehow are the majority.
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>>100573659

>They worked hard for it too.

The Japanese students work hard for their achievements.

The Chinese students just lie and cheat.

What else can be expected from people who shit in the street?

>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76e_1381600215
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>>100573849
Please don't start this shitstorm again.

お願い!
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この会話はせめて日本語でしよう、お前ら。

中国人はゴミ。アメリカ人は豚。これこそ事実。
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>>100573845
Shit colleges don't count.
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JLPT N5, N4: Elementary
JLPT N3: Intermediate
JLPT N2, N1: Advanced

Is this accurate?
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>>100573845
>6% of the US college population yet people here are claiming they somehow are the majority.
Well they're are plenty of shit colleges out there so people can say they sat in a room for 4 years. Places of any prestige will have a large foreigner population.
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>>100573958
俺は豚ですぅ〜。
小さいチンポで女の子とお祖母さんをファックしたい!
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i hope whoever linked these threads in /int/ is happy
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>>100573998
Harvard's international student population was 11% for undergrads and 27% for grad students/profs, for example. Nowhere near half.
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>>100573694
The problem is that move the goalposts of what KD is supposed to do. If you want to learn to recognize and write kanji by radical using keywords related to their meaning in the shortest possible time, there is no better method. Anyone complaining about the order is missing the point of learning them this way in it's entirety.
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>>100574054
Advanced may be misleading. Being able to pass N1 doesn't mean that you're fluent or necessarily very close. It does mean that you're fairly proficient at the language though.
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一生俺はこのビデオのセッティング「the 561」に住んでる。銃を持ってて怖くないんだ。
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>>100574089
If you count 2nd or 3rd generation pure bred foreigners then yeah, it's probably somewhat close.
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>>100574054
It's more like:
N5, N4, N3: you have a pulse
N2: kindergarten level
N1: 3rd grade level

In any case, don't expect to actually be able to read anything even if you pass N1.
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>>100574140
I don't think the JLPT has anything to do with fluency, since it doesn't test production for one and the passing percentage is fairly low.
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>Americas survive by eating snow and birds.
>Americans are illiterate.
>Americans live in tents.
>Americans buy guns to shoot children

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoQOQHQ8oA

Best Korea was right all along. What a terrible character America is.
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>>100574246
Are you shitposting for fun or are you actually that ignorant?
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>>100574232
>>100574089
Well, I suppose it might be not so bad overall. It's in STEM fields where the difference is huge.
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>>100574232
So you're narrowing the definition of "American" to suit your own argument? Hilarious. If you want to do that I guess we're the last in everything, since Native Americans are likely last place in every measurable way.
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>>100574246
Anyone who passes N1 can read stuff, anon. Now for communicating, that's a whole other matter.
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トピずれすぎる
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>>100574346
So, what is the test for that? Have a college educated boyfriend for over a year?
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>>100574378
毎日のことだから・・・
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>that feel when you have a qt japanese boyfriend
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>>100574414
There are some tests that do require written essays. I was looking at trying to go to graduate school in Japan and one of the required tests before applying required a long ass essay handwritten at the testing location about some abstract bullshit.
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>>100574277

>Americans are entitled to one cup of snow each day.

i want my snow
im so hungry
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>>100574462
羨ましいな。あなたと彼、ネコがどちらか?
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>>100574462
気持ちいいよね
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I find it ridiculous that the main proficiency test doesn't test your writing and speaking abilities.
I also hate how kanji is approached in a stupid easy way in JLPT.
Even a fucking kanji kentei level 8 is harder than N1 regarding to the required knowledge in kanji.
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>>100574495
What does the average one consist of? I've considered that a vague possibility.
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>>100574766
I'm pretty sure N1 tests Jouyou so closer to kentei 2
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>>100574462
自殺しろ
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>>100574827
Well obviously JLPT is more about breadth as opposed to depth, so it's not the same as kentei 2, but still.
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>>100574766
Mad that they don't test the useless things you learned just so you could feel good about yourself?
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>>100574827
What? I thought Kentei 2 was like, less than 25% of the people who take it pass.
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>>100574277
>the poor, the cold, the lonely, and the homosexual
Oh wow, my sides have left orbit.
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>>100574798
I was only looking at the high end public universities that had astronomy graduate programs, couldn't tell you what an average university is like there.
>>100574934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji_kentei
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>>100574827
JLPT is all multiple choice and it's not very kanji-centric. There's no trick questions with similar looking kanji or anything like that. Kanken, on the other hand, you better know how to write all those things, because you're going to need to pick out fine differences.
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>>100574798
Why would you want to go to an average university there? Their average university is shit.
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>>100574934
Keep in mind that the <25% of people that took it are not adults. This is the stuff that they learn in highschool and below. It's mostly taken by younger people with something to prove, as to move up a grade or something.
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>>100574976
Ah, I see. So like, why is there such a brutal difference between level 2 and 1? My god.
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>>100575067
Shrug, it would depend what programs they offer.
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>>100574462
This needs an answer >>100574712
Does your gaijin smash and brash western personality automatically put you on top or did you succumb to that roguish samurai charm and give up the goods?
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>>100575134
So that those who aren't the best can't trick themselves into thinking that they're actually somewhat equal to the people who beat them.
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>>100575072
Isn't the level 2 what most companies require?
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>>100575134
There's a level in between 2 and 1.
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>>100575261
For foreigners or for Japanese people? Maybe for foreigners, I can't imagine that less than 25% of Japan is able to get hired.
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>>100575334
For Japanese people.
When I say most companies I'm talking only about the ones that require the test.
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>>100574246
Only if you mean reading unassisted, but even then you can probably read certain easy manga at an n2 level.

>>100574054
N5 was created because 101 plebs somehow couldn't pass n4
N4 is 101 tier
N3 is Elementary
N2 is Weak intermediate/Elementary +
N1 is Intermediate
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>>100575448
>N5 was created because 101 plebs somehow couldn't pass n4
Neah, I don't think it's that different from JLPT4 was before the change. It's just that there was a huge difference between JLPT2 and JLPT3, so they made the first two a bit harder, the last two a bit easier, and stuck something in the middle.
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>>100575409
>Tests special or unusual kanji readings
>Tests ateji
>Tests knowledge of synonyms and antonyms
>Tests ability to differentiate between homonyms
>Tests special compound words
>Tests complex radicals and composition of kanji
From the Wikipedia article of level 2.

I don't think most jobs would require that level of literary knowledge. Maybe for being a journalist or something.
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>>100575448
I don't think N4 is 101 tier unless you're suggesting that 101 Japanese students are expected to learn 2-3k words in a semester.
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>>100575544
That he didn't know that N5 IS the old N4b should've been all you needed to disregard his post.
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>>100575559
They probably don't, but then again neither do all the dishwashing job offers in America need "2 years of experience". A bit of qualification weeds out the lower human beings, which is generally good.
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It looks like there is a lot of experts in Japanese proficiency tests here.
What certificates do you have?
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>>100575723
You don't really need any of the certifications unless you want to jerk off your ego, want to prove to someone that you know Japanese or need it to apply for something.
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>>100575723
this one *grabs dick*
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>>100575788
You don't even need it to prove you know Japanese. The only reason you should really do JLPT is if a job requires it. Other than that and it's a waste of time and money.
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>>100563655
If I started learning japanese today with your average anime knowledge (catchphrases etc), could I hold a conversation and read longer textes in like 2 years?
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>>100575845
So it's like writing?
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>>100576005
Probably one or the other. I think you could get the basics of the spoken language down in that time, or jam your ass full of kanji, but not necessarily both.
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>>100576005
One would hope.
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>>100576005
That's 100% dependent on how much you study. You probably have the ability to, as a human being. Whether you'll be willing or motivated to put in that amount of effort is a completely different question.
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>>100576005
no
you need 10 years of studying 18 hours a day (along with copious amounts of meth) before you can finally pass the kantei 1 and actually understand what you're reading
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>>100576103
I don't see why both couldn't be done. Speaking is something that's generally harder to do than reading or even writing, but if you really wanted to, I bet you could find someone to practice with on a daily basis.

Most people studying on /a/ don't start with the intention of being good at speaking.
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>>100576209
By 'harder' I mean that's harder to find a place to practice.
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>>100576209
It might be possible to do both but it strikes me as more work to cram into that timespan than most would be capable of doing.

I don't know why you've started talking about the speaking aspect specifically though, since you're claiming both should be doable anyway. I suppose it depends on what you define as "have a conversation".

Personally I have the luck to live near a university where Nips are accessible, lucky me.
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How can some people move to Japan without knowing any of the language?
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>>100576126
I certainly can push myself to study regularly. Besides English, my Spanish is somewhat okay and my German almost fluent. I started with Tae Kim just now, that guy is really good at explaining
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>>100576563
Well I'd say that the biggest limiting factor of understanding speech and reading is vocabulary. This is very apparent if you see a somewhat new to English foreign person trying to transcribe what they hear in English, what they do get out of the slurred, fast speech then gets filtered through the words that they know and often comes out being an unintelligible mess.
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>>100576647
Japan is very non-japanese-speaking friendly. Signs everywhere have english, six years of english is mandatory for japs. Not too hard.
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少し吊り目がちな朱の瞳。

is that が the subject particle or something else because this doesn't make any sense.
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>>100576140
This, without kanken 1 you can't even understand that shitty sakura lesbian anime or read moege.
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>>100576647
I had a teacher who bragged about living in Japan for like 7 years on a military base and then told the class that 「了」 meant 'Child or something'.
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>>100576735
I tend to hear that those claims are exaggerated and that the average Japanese has barely any English ability due to the shittiness of their language education.

I'd bet you can get around fine in a major city, though. Well enough anyway.
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How often is 息子 used to refer to one's penis?
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>>100576877
Three times a sentence from what I've read.
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>>100576845
They are undoubtedly bad the language, yes, but they can still help shits who are horrible at the language get around. Lots of foreigners who come never end up speaking good Japanese because of this. I still don't really how it's possible, but it somehow manages to happen.
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>>100576647
Americans aren't people.
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>>100576721
If you can force yourself to study and don't get too caught up in 'Which method do I use?' "discussions" in this thread and are consistent inn your studies, you'll be fine.
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>>100576985
>good Japanese
Or really any*
They don't even reach a children's level.
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>>100577040
I've talked to people who lived in Japan for extended periods of time without learning kana. They didn't even bother trying.
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>>100576991
And this guy isn't American
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sspUdoV9Il0
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>>100576647
It's not that hard. However, knowing basic Japanese makes it a lot more interesting and fun.
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>>100576780
Please help me I'm retarded.
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>>100577085
I hate humanity sometimes.
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>>100577085
The average American seems to be language-phobic, for some reason. Seems like learning foreign languages is considered an unattainable goal that there's no point in trying.
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>mfw a Japanese person actually addressing himself as 我
I'd post a face if I weren't posting this fascinating image.
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>>100577213
I think it's also an aspect of 'American pride'. It seems that the attitude that most people I know have is: 'why bother, anyone worth talking to speaks English".
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What is she saying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDX35z0MQc
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>>100577160
What's the source? From some googling, it seems to me that つり目がち is a word, but I'm not sure what it means.
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>>100577097
So what's this guy's story? I always wonder how people end up living in a country while having so little interest in it that they don't even know basic phrases.
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>>100577213
It's just not in our culture. Some people in America will never meet people who speak a different language than them. It's a big and somewhat isolated place for some.
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>>100577322
I don't think that's true but then again I've never been to the south.
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>>100577338
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%83%84%E3%83%AA%E7%9B%AE
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>>100577338
He"s describing her eyes but I don't get why that が is there at all.

But you know have me questioning, what the hell is がち?
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>>100577368
I have no idea. It was either in some /a/ thread or something that I first came across the video and I've wondered why you would move to a country if you don't care for the language at all.
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>>100577370
Phft, not true, you can hear Spanish everywhere. Though there's little need to learn it because really, the Mexicans pretty much function as the crappy shit doing lower caste and there's no need to actually communicate with them.
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>>100577370
Here in northern Virginia about 1/4-1/3 of the population is Korean. During my high school graduation it look like 15 minutes to call up all the 'Kim's and 'Lee's.
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>>100577483
http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=gachi
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>>100577213
It's not only americans.
Many people I've run into from current or former great powers see learning another language as a great defeat in a currently ongoing cultural war.
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>>100577370
>live in America
>both gradmas speak a different foreign language
And yet somehow I ended up only being able to speak English.
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>>100577213
It is just that Japanese is culturally accepted as impossible to learn.
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>>100577213
Americans communicate by grunting, "gurrtle sounds", and scuttling. Speaking in complex tones and sounds frightens us and is usually seen as an act of aggression. When we hear/see something we don't know, we will either attack or try to build a nest based on America in the foreign land to give us familiarity, entirely ignoring the changing outside conditions.
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>>100577566
How do you tend to be an eye shape? This is making less and less sense.
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>>100577396sa
Yeah it's true in the south.

Behold. Culture.
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>>100577682
It's true, I've literally had people suck my dick on the spot after they noticed I was reading Japanese in public.
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>>100577576
This french guy I talked to tried to explain to me how learning english would harm french culture but having TV consisting of 80% dubbed american TV shows was no problem.
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>>100577692
Did you read the full explanation on what 釣り目 is?
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>>100577688
>Speaking in complex tones
Except Japanese is mono tonal.
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Even if you are forced to learn a 2nd language in school, if you don't keep using it after you graduate, you will eventually lose your ability to communicate in the language. For someone who never even had to learn a second language, learning one later in life may seem like an insurmountable challenge. It's difficult for us and we're super motivated, but what about someone who doesn't have any need for a second language? There's lots of places in the US where you'll never need anything but English.
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>>100577656
Kids tend to learn the language of their peers regardless of their parents, most of the time. A lot of languages die that way.
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>>100577775
Shut the fuck up Francis.
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>>100577788
I took 4 years of German in Highschool and the most complex sentences I ever needed to make to get straight B's was "Ich tanze gern" and "Ich habe keine hande".
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>>100577682
Goes for anything non European, really.
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>>100577742
I'd the girl on the pig, the girl in pink on the left, and the girl in blue.
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>>100577795
It's unfortunate, really. If I ever had kids I'd probably make them learn Japanese.
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>>100577968
Well if you live in Japan that wouldn't be a problem.
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>>100577968
If you sent them to a Japanese tutor or classes from a young age then they'd just laugh at you for having an accent and being bad at the language.
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>>100577968
And the reality is that they'd probably abandon it because they don't need it beyond the extent that you would badger them about it, unless they get into chinese cartoons and untranslated mangos.
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>>100577968
>having kids
but why?
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>>100577766
Well no, but it's basically just an eye shape right? How can a part of your body tend to look like something though? Doesn't it either look like it or not?
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>>100578037
Yeah pretty much, you gotta get 'em hooked on the sweet, sweet nectar at a young age.
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>>100578004
Living in Japan would be nice
>>100578019
>>100578037
Japanese people are the second largest ethnic group where I live, it's true that'd be pointless if I didn't get married to some nip though.
>>100578071
That's why it's an "if"
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>>100577788
>but what about someone who doesn't have any need for a second language?
Why would that person learn a second language?
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>>100578125
>Living in Japan would be nice
Yeah, no. Chinese cartoons are nice but everything else about Japan is pretty bad.
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>>100577870
My dad's a germanfag, so I was kinda raised bilingual. Got to the point where I asked him to only speak German with me.
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>>100578125
Where do you even live? I wish I had more Nips, I have only Chinks and a bunch of Ethiopians for some reason.
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>>100578132
For self improvement.
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>>100578132
I have no 'need' for a second language. I'm doing it because I want to and 同人誌.
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>>100578175
I've lived there before, it has its ups and downs like every other country. Just live somewhere other than Tokyo.
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>>100578132
They probably wouldn't. The question was why don't Americans learn a second language.
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>>100578175
Seems nice, people just do their own things, which is fine with me. Only problem I would have is the annoying working culture.
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>>100578262
Most Americans have no need for a second language.
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>>100577935
I'd mutilate their snouts and anuses and perform surgery on them to make them more pig-like. After that'd I'd bath their bodies in compounds to stimulate nerve cell growth on the skin, therby increasing their sensitivity and turning their whole bodies into an erogenous zone. I'd pump hormones to stimulate the growth of anything sexually related, making them horny dolls.
After that I'd begin with the training. Anything to humiliate and destroy what small amount of self-respect they have until they became like pigs. 24-7 vibrator in pussy, eating out of a hog-trough, all fours, forced sniffing and eating out of each others' ass, etc.
You name it, I'd do it.
And yeah, that's it.
I wonder if the NSA worries about me sometimes.
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>>100578328
I'm sure they've seen far, far, worse.
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>>100578328
Unless you threaten to blow something up you're probably okay. The FBI probably has a nice thick file on you though.
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>>100578328
I hope you know this post, along with your name and location have been saved on some NSA server somewhere. The question is if they ever care enough to search for your kind.
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>>100578262
Well, I'm not American, but honestly, if I were and I wasn't such a sucker for the Japanese entertainment industry, I don't see why I should learn any other language. The only languages everybody should know nowadays are their native one and English. If they coincide, good for you. Learning anything other than that should be done with a specific use in mind, otherwise it will all most likely go to waste from lack practice.
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>>100578422
You mean OUR kind.
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>>100578328
ヒッヒッ(´・ω・`)
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>>100578455
I don't like kids though they already know
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>decide to raise reps for vocab to 100 reviews with 10 new cards
>at this rate it would still take 600 days to clear the deck if I were just starting anew
>絶望してる

Is there a way to learn more words without doing drugs?
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>>100577753
French people are hilarious.
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>>100578328
You should become a nukige writer
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>>100578565
Go slower and be methodical. Repeat the word out loud with the meaning 20 times, then repeat the meaning then the word. Do this 5 times. Write it down 30 times.
It takes a while, but it makes it hard to forget and can be repeated as many times as you like.
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>>100578626
自閉症?
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>>100578609
I really should. I have tons of ideas but I can't draw for shit. Would love to do something with it this god gifted talent.
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>>100578626
I recommend using a fan fold for writing it down. Have a piece of paper folded like a fan, write it w/ kanji and kana on one side, flip it over and write what it means. Make sure you can't see what you're supposed to be writing while you're writing it.
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>>100578565
Read. It might sound crazy now, but you can actually learn words besides those that are in your anki deck.
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>>100578670
>talent
Don't flatter yourself, that's entry level shit.
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>>100578247
なら、いつか静岡県とかに住み見たら家賃と食費が高くない場所あるか。実は日本に行ったことないのでお前さんの言う通り、この話題に俺はよく知らない。
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>>100578670
Join a team and only write the text
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>>100578727
What is this blasphemy! I cannot countenance such heretical notions within this sacred thread!
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やっと日本語がぺらぺら喋れるようにになったら、他に勉強したい言語がある?俺は、よく分からないな。
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>>100578750
I'll prove to my sensei how strong I am with willpower alone.
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>>100578838
Korean
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>>100578814
Where would you find such a thing? I think it'd be interesting to just see what that's about.
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>>100578838
今は、無いね
中国語でも勉強しようかなぁと思ったけど、正直使いそうにないからまあいいやって感じ
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>>100578838
>やっと日本語がぺらぺら喋れるようにになったら
Can you use やっと in a conditional sentence like this? I get the feeling I've only ever seen it used when the fact is already certain to have happened.

Also, no, I have no intention of learning another language anytime soon.
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>>100578891
I use to have an interest in Korean until I realized that the only reason people think it's a cool language is because Korea brainwashed to think that.
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>>100578838
よくわかります。日本語しか他の言語は要りません。
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>>100578953
True, unless you really like manhwa or k-dramas. It's either that or German for me next.
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>>100578838
大学にはドイツを勉強してる。過去はスペイン語を勉強したけど、忘れるの事がどんどん起こっているさ。でも、言語がずっと勉強したい。
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>>100578933
そのように使ってもいいと思うけど、日本人じゃないからこんなディテールはまだ分からない。
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>>100579032
they're called manhwas because when you read one you go manhwat the fuck is this shit
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>>100579142
やるな
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>>100579142
>manhwat the fuck is this shit
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>>100579142
笑った。
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>>100579142
>>100579272
>>100579341
同一人
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>>100579448
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>>100579448
自作自演
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>>100579542
俺の精神みたいに冥い(ダーク)
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I guess I need to update my plugin cuz I don't get a (You)
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>>100579666
Probably so.

We're going these threads awfully quick recently. We should probably stop talking about so much bullshit, or at least someone make a thread after this one goes away.
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updating your plugin wont make people reply to you
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>>100579662
目の痛さ好きか、お前は?
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>>100579764
Oh, snap!
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Today I heard snippets of conversation between two 3DPDs and understood about a quarter of what was being said. I think one was complaining about work and her mother.
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>>100579764
アノンくんはツンデレだね
かわいい
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全部俺だ!
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>>100579765
自閉症引きこもりじゃないから光は目を焼きません
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>>100579978
God fucking dammit.
Yet again I've been deceived.
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>>100579978
ディオ!
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>>100579978
な、なんだと!
騙された!
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>>100580021
>自閉症引きこもりじゃな
嘘つき
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>>100579978
2/10 For effort. There's always next time.
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>>100580289
Don't stifle this genius's creative talent with your harsh words.
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>>100580228
オー、バラされたな

家から出ることあり、仕事もあるけど時々一週間誰とも話さないようにするのは普通だ
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>>100580655
つまり、俺はあたまがおかしい、と云うことです。
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>>100580781
ここの残りの人が同じらしいんだ。
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>>100580952
証拠は?
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>>100581459
これは証拠じゃ(棒を
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>>100572790
Is there an actual Japanese version of this song?
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肉銛の読み方は何なんだろうか?
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>>100582668
チンポで
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Oh god, I'm really stumped by this real time import bullshit.

There is a small "Notes added" pop up when I press R but nothing is added into my deck when I check it.
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>>100582881
I wouldn't do real time import. I'd just do the save the vocab files to a list one, and then import it to anki. I think the real-time import doesn't work on Anki 2 anyhow.
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中国語の方は
・簡単
・論理的
・耳に優しい
・役に立つ
さっさと原始人の偽中国語の勉強をやめ、本物の中国語の勉強を始めたら?
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>>100583416
中国語では萌えっていう概念があるの?
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>>100583416
I think the tonal stuff in mandarin is hard to pronounce and sounds weird.
Japanese is pretty simple pronunciation wise, at least the simplest of the languages I'm familiar with.
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>>100584152
There's a dialect of Hawaiian that has like 10 sounds total.
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>>100584243
Wow, and it's a fully functional language?
Or is it like that weird pacific islander language that has no numbers and can only describe amounts as "many" and "few"?
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>>100583416

>簡単
True-ish, it is of a similar grammatical archetype to English.

>論理的
Not inherently moreso than anything else, but in light of the first fact this is true enough for Westerners.

>耳に優しい
Completely disagree, Chinese is repulsive to the ear. I hate everything about how it sounds.

>役に立つ
I wouldn't be doing business with wealthy Chinese or anything even if I learned the language, with my qualifications. Best I could do is talk to the insufferable Chinese immigrunts that overrun my town.
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>>100584362
*correction, the language with no numbers is in the Amazonas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã_language
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>>100584362
Nope, it's perfectly functional, but the words tend to be longer because you need to throw on more syllables in order to keep words distinct.
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>>100583416
>耳に優しい
fucking lol'd
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>>100583674
あるよ
それ「齉」って呼ばれてる
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私の好きな色は青です
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>>100584243
As someone who lives in Hawaii I've never heard of that. I'm also fairly sure Hawaiian doesn't have dialects.
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>>100584602
It does as far as I know, like every language does, but these things don't get much talk because nobody gives a shit. "used to" may also be more correct since I'm pretty sure the hawaiian language is on the way out, but you might know better than me.
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>>100584602
My mistake, it was less than 10 consonants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_phonology
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>>100584243
This is the language with 11 phonemes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotokas_language
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>>100584691
Used to is probably more correct, considering the language was one small step away from being dead until like 30 years ago. I never bothered to study that shit in depth though.
>>100584710
Yeah, that sounds more right. Pronunciation for the sounds is close to Japanese too.
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>>100584852
And here's one with a billion, for contrast:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubykh_phonology
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>>100583416

People can't persist thing that is not fun

A baby learn his/her mother tongue since he/she want to comprehend what his/her parents saying and want to communicate them.

Does Chinese language got attractive media contents enough? I mean, some motivation?
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>>100584939
> recently extinct
How unfortunate
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>>100584939
>>100584852
Japanese is very interesting phonetically because it's very balanced.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Japanese_vowel_chart_II.svg
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>>100584997
残念ながら、この頃は言語がなくなるのがよくある事だ。
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>>100585105
Yeah, despite linguists best efforts to keep a language alive the best they can do is document it for future reference. The language dies with its culture, after all.
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>>100585082
Could you explain that chart to someone who doesn't know much about linguistics?
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>>100585082
That's actually pretty uninteresting because the bulk of languages have a vowel inventory that hovers somewhere around there. What is a bit interesting is Japanese's /ɯ/ which is fairly cross-linguistically rare and tends to occur along with more typical /u/, which Japanese lacks. Japanese's devoicing of vowels is also somewhat rare and neat.
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>>100585199
It has to do with where the vowel is pronounced.

The chart just describes physically how the sound is produced.
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>>100585174
なのに時間が経てば経つほど、言語の方言が現れて来て、そして方言がそのうちに、実の言語になる可能性がある。このようにいつまでも続く。
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>>100585464
黒人英語みたいにねw
もう俺にわかんねー言語だわ
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Some guy's paper about why true translation is impossible: http://otherwisejournal.net/documents/Translation_CJohnson.pdf

Get fucked rest of /a/.
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>>100585650
理解しにくいけど、ちゃんと分かってみると(理由はないのに)分かるようになるだろう。だから黒人の方言はまだ、ただの方言。未来は、別な物になるだろうな。面白そう。
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>>100585840
arigatoo oniisan, now someone like boku can hajimeru translating and just oku the orijinaru kotoba if it gets too shinan
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>>100585840
>this faggot graduated from my school
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>>100585199

Like >>100585348 said, it's about where the sounds are produced. It makes more sense if you sorta go through the chart and make the sounds yourself, while thinking about what your tongue/etc are doing (you might have to look up some of the IPA symbols though).
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>>100585923
いやいやそれは冗談のつもりでw
でも確かにある意味であたってるかもしれない
これからの様子見だね
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ここに誰がホムですか?
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>>100587490
我等がホムだ
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>>100585995
I sort of want to go into the next VN adaptation where all the anons are chomping at the bit for a translation, and after much adieu deliver the translation in this style(and only in this style).
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>>100585840
>なりよりも
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be なによりも
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>>100588142
A lot of sites actually do have it as なりよりも.

http://www.kufs.ac.jp/English/faculty/sakamoto/2013William%20Shakespeare.pdf
bottom left slide of the first page

http://www.geocities.jp/todok_tosen/shake/son.html

http://okwave.jp/qa/q7396990.html

And these are Japanese sites, too. I have no idea why it's written that way, it looks like a typo to me too (and plenty of sites do have it as なによりも).
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>>100588426
The middle link seems to be the site of the translator himself. So either he made a typo and everyone just copy pasted it, or I'm really misunderstanding something.
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I'm at about 145 kanji in to RTK and I'd like to know how I could go about learning the readings and different meanings along with the mnemonics and stroke order from RTK. Sure I could look them up in a dictionary and add the information to Anki but that would take quite a bit of effort and I would very likely end up with some useless information here and there.

Are there any companions to RTK or study materials that would go well in tandem with it? I don't really want to continue this without having something to learn the rest of the information I need for each kanji.
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>>100588793
>RTK
>I would very likely end up with some useless information here and there.
You're already neck deep.
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>>100588916

It really helps me with remembering how to write them though.
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Did everyone die or something?
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>>100589030
That's fine. However any order aside from frequency is inefficient, and is going to saddle you with things you're learning disproportionately to your likelihood of seeing them as a matter of course.

The idea behind RTK is to skip really learning the Kanji. If you wanted readings you should have done KD. If you want to learn something useful you should be learning vocab. If you want to be able to write your vocab limit yourself to vocab composed on the Kanji you know. There's a tool in the guide that will populate a vocab list based on the Kanji that you know.
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>>100589828

How is using the Heisig method and learning the actual words alongside it less efficient? Learning by frequency seems like the more inefficient way to me. It's just banging your head against the kanji through rote memorization.
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>>100590095
I suppose it's a matter of perspective. If you think of it in terms of learning all the kanji you're right, and if you think of it in terms of being able to read any given text I'm right.

I'll say though that you're not limited solely to rote. You can look at and know radicals, and create stories/mnemonics all the same. It's probably a bit more difficult in the beginning though, but you could still lookup what the radicals you're seeing are if that floats your boat.
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>>100590253

I like the RTK order of kanji and I'm fine with going through the whole course before being able to read whatever. I just want a resource I can use to get all the useful information about each kanji I'm studying that's not a straight up dictionary if such a thing exists.
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>>100590253

You appear to be transfixed on how your own head works, anon.

Some people can't just see 新 a few times next to a hundred other unfamiliar characters with similar aspects and then say "oh yeah, that means new" regardless of the surrounding context. They need an extra step. That's what studying the characters by themselves is good for. And then, after you've gotten the character itself down, you can learn the readings when you actually encounter them in practical usage.
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>>100591213

* And building off of smaller, easier-to-remember radicals instead of just jumping straight into the character that has 12 different parts because the latter is more common is helpful.

It's hardly useless if it gets the job done.
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>>100591156

The more I think about it the more I'm not sure which way to go. Would doing something in tandem with it hurt my learning with the Heisig method? Should I just blast through RTK in 2-3 months then work on the vocab and all that afterwards?
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>>100591156
KD is the closest to what you want.
>>100591213
>Some people can't just see 新 a few times next to a hundred other unfamiliar characters with similar aspects and then say "oh yeah, that means new"
Really? That's the example you're going with? You would have to be incredibly dense to miss it when it actually matters. 新しい 世界 新世界 車 新車 Tell me 新's meaning isn't painfully obvious if you know these.
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>>100591741

It doesn't matter how common the character is if your mind can't see it as anything more than a series of scribbles.
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>>100591887
If you can recall 新しい that isn't the case.
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>>100591741

I checked out the site before and I didn't really like the tone of how it was written.
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>>100591945
I'm afraid there's nothing else that I'm aware of save for doing it yourself.
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>>100591928

If you can't bring yourself to recognize 新 as anything more than a series of scribbles, then you can't memorize 新しい to begin with.
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>>100591998
If you can't memorize 新しい I can't even begin to understand how you would learn Kana.
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>>100591973

Really I think I might just say fuck it and do RTK like I was before. Maybe increase from 15 to 20-25 new kanji a day to speed things up. Better than wasting time by freaking out and looking for the absolute best way for me to do things.
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>>100591998
>>100592024
I'll concede the obvious and state that without knowing the radicals a kanji is composed you will be hard pressed to accurately recall it when faced with similar looking kanji. You can learn to recognize the overall shape however, and you can find yourself doing this in kanji learning, and vocab learning. This only become a problem when you're faced with distinguishing between slight differences in kanji composition. This is fixed by knowing the radicals, and good way of ensuring that is learning the kanji individually including their radical composition.

I'd then argue that imo these confusions are infrequent enough, and are worked out when in context enough that it doesn't warrant the time invested in any learning aside from radicals and special attention to leeches.
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>>100592024

Kana tends to be 4 strokes at most.

新 is 13 strokes of two sides that are both larger than any kana packed in next to each other, and both sides have elements that are commonly used in other kanji.

To the untrained, unadept eye who doesn't pick up on these things easily, it looks like a mass of bullshit.

It's also not that such people can't learn, it's just that they need the extra step of learning the smaller, simpler 辛 and 斤 first. Once those characters are familiar, making sense of 新 is easy. That's where the KD and Heisig method of building on smaller parts and characters and then moving up to larger ones is useful.
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>>100592327

You're assuming that everyone else can learn the way you did.

I can't. The characters that I haven't reached in KD yet still look like bullshit, and I still can't bring my mind to differentiate even between mid-complexity characters most of the time, despite frequent trips to Japanese image boards where I attempt to read and deliberately throwing unfamiliar kanji into my grammar deck.

However, KD gets the job done. It seems to be just about the only thing that does.



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