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Someone care to explain to me why this anime is so great? All I can can see is the protagonist being a "lazy but smart" character with barely any backstory so it's exceptionally easy for fags to self-project themslves onto Oreki. Hell, the main cast seem to all revolve around telling Oreki how smart he is or how they like how he's changing (in the case of Chitanda, getting him to doing things so the aforemntioned things can happen. This how brings nothing new, and nearly all aspects of it have been done before by better series.

Can someone tell my why, despite this, so many people hail this sereies as the greatest ever?
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>Someone care to explain to me why this anime is so great?
It's not. Just Kyoanifags circlejerking, just like every other post-K-On Kyoani show.
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>>100542840
It's comfy, based on dialogues and slow-paced, but still entertaining. The visuals and character designs are nice and the characters progress slowly but enough so you get attached to them. The simple cotidian mysteries is a plus. Not the greatest ever but worth a watch if you are into this kind of stuff.
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>>100542840
>Hyoka
>great

What? I thought everyone who says they liked it,
liked it just because they were mystery novel nerds like me.
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>>100542840
its shit boring anime
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It is not great, though. It may have a vocal circlejerk around here like most kyoani crap but still is a snorefest with bad animation.
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>>100542840
so many people hail this series as the greatest ever? which imageboard have you been going to man?

also, understand different people like different anime
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>>100542840
Because
brace yourself
no, I mean it
I'm really going to blow your mind, here
It's because different people like different things.
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>>100543141
>still is a snorefest with good animation.
Fixed. The character animation was pretty good.
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>>100542840

Great cinematography, direction, art, animation, OST, pacing, (slow pacing is not bad pacing) character designs, characters themselves, and character development. The story is more about the characters and how they interact with each other and grow as people than it is about the mysteries. The mysteries are mundane, and serve as a catalyst for the characters developing and getting to know one another. Hyouka, the festival arc especially, is really just great in every aspect unless you've got a desire for radical plot development. Which is fine, but it doesn't make Hyouka bad.

>nearly all aspects of it have been done before by better series.

Like what? I would legitimately like to know, because I've never seen them and I would like to if you truly do believe this. As it is I believe Hyouka stands up there with TTG and Jojo as some of the best anime of the decade so far.
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>>100543820
Adding bloom and blur to brown-colored traced photographies isn't good cinematography.

>Hyouka, the festival arc especially, is really just great in every aspect unless you've got a desire for radical plot development
The best arc is the movie one. The entire festival arc in pointless and it's resolved in a quite lame way.
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Having opinions is fucking hard sometimes.
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Because Oreki was universally agreed as the sexiest anime character.
>that sexhair
I'm gay now.
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>>100543996

I'm talking about subtle things. Like, I don't exactly remember the context since it's been a long time since I've seen it, but when Oreki is talking about how Chitanda he's walking out of the rain into the sunshine. It's not like it's deep, or really even that subtle, but it's just a nice visual cue, a nice touch that didn't have to be in there.
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I like how it picks a tone and sticks with it. The mysteries are all dumb little things, but they still matter to the people involved. And they don't go overboard and have people acting like losing a small object is the end of the world, or by having tearful confessions about how important a movie is to them, they just have people reacting relatively normally. It's a relaxing little series with small stakes and a good attention to detail, I don't really see much to outright hate about it though I could definitely see someone not liking it. Also I like the character interactions.
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>>100543315
While I am the side of Hyouka being a lackluster pile of boring. You must not have been around when it aired Anon because the level of love for the series was autistic here. It's still loved by a huge group of people even those who traditionally don't like Kyoani titles/adaptations.
Again I'm in the camp of not understanding why people like it, literally nothing happens and the cast couldn't be more boring if they were cardboard cutouts just sitting there on screen. But like you said, to each their own.
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>>100543051
But it sucks hardest as anything related to a mystery.
Where the fuck did you ever see a boring mystery? Even Umineko didn't achieve that.
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Becasue you have absolute shit taste and should fuck off right back to tumblr.
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>>100544482

>literally nothing happens
>the cast couldn't be more boring if they were cardboard cutouts just sitting there on screen

It's fine to not like it but don't just say false statements.
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>>100542840
It's a boring piece of shit anime. But we like Chitanda porn.
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>>100542840
It's not, it's just has a vocal autistic fanbase. Welcome to /a/.
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>>100544942
The rest just want to fuck either Chitanda or Oreki.
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I just finished it. Why was the last 4 episodes so shit? It finished such a good act with the school festival and then it turned into a slice of life romace.
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>>100545100
>Chitanda or Oreki
Oh, come on.
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>>100544510
You, sir, probably never read any mystery at all.
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>not getting the mystery genre
have you ever read conan?
mystery stories/series make it a point to have a "detective" MC who wonders about things real people wouldn't think about. it's in the genre.
in hyouka the cases were all miniscule and not crime related, but it's still in the spirit of the genre because they are trying to find the truth behind an issue.

i really think that the people who don't get it are people who don't quite understand what kind of series hyouka is. or they don't get mystery in general.
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>>100545471
And Hotaro is classical "detective" character as it gets.
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>>100542840
It's shit, one of the most boring anime KyoAni ever made which is saying a lot. You must be new on /a/ if you havent noticed that there are some anons who spend their day mindlessly hyping KyoAni shows.
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>>100545567
Anon please, This is the best thing Kyoani have done and will struggle to top it unless they do an Original themselves.
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just letting you know that this is one of my favorite memes.
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>>100542840
>self-project themslves onto Oreki
Nigga, I ain't even half as smart as Oreki, and would never have been able to solve those mysteries.
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Oreki a cute
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I watched it after it aired as I was not drawn to it since I don't usually like kyoani typical retarded one dimensional moeblobs. It was one of those thing you feel warm watching, the characters felt alive and it ended in a bittersweet note for me.
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>>100542840
To me this anime is great because it plays greatly with expectations both meta and in-universe.

Oreki's cleverness is pointed out and admired by everyone despite that be bothersome to him as he doesn't want to draw that much attention. Yet he also develops some uncouncious pride on his skills which is revealed the moment he fails. He didn't noticed that even after avoiding the expectations of others those had such influence on him that he ended up forging expectations on his own abilities.

Just as Oreki the rest of the main cast is faced with his own views of themselves in comparission to others around them. I feel very identified with Mayaka's arc, Satoshi also has to face with honesty his own lifestyle and even Chitanda has some issues regarding who she is.

The cute romance bits are enjoyable but those aren't the main focus of the show (or at least weren't the main focus of season one). The way the characters confronted their weaknesses as also recognized their strenghts was pretty subtle in it's execution but led to pretty emotive climaxes.

This is definetely not a series for every type of audience. People not willing to delve in to the interestign subtle details will find this boring as hell and with good reason as this series barely has anything remotely similar to "action" in it as also lacks the "crazy" found on other KyoAni works like Haruhi or Lucky Star.

If you don't find Hyouka appealing it's okay to keep walking and finding somethign else. If you're among that unique group whose curiosity allows them to grasp the unique details that makes this series interesting then congratulations, you're a keen oberver and you're about to enjoy a calm but fulfilling ride.
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>>100542840
Because it's quite easy when the show provides nothing but prety visuals so you can interpretate shit all you want to.
I never understand how anyone could write something so...boring, stupid and forced at the same time.
How can anyone possibly being interested in a show where bunch of bland and boring chars investigate minor shit nobody cares about?
how can anyone actually think that bunch of teenagers could be possibly interested in irrelavnt shit? how anyone can possiblyu to claim that someone who is solving some irrelevant and stupid shit can be called good at solving mystery and somewhat trying to make him look smart, are you fucking serious?
Ho can anyone actually think that this show is interesting at anything? there's NOTHING to provide, no humore, no character's relationship/devolopment or whatever, no actual real thing that would actually require some actual intellect, no romance, nothing.
Just a bunch of teens who are interested in shit nobody realisticly would be interested in, and some very pretentious visuals and music, that add absolutely nothing to anything, outside of being pretty.
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>>100546535

Yeah man, that music was so pretentious.
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>>100546535
>pretentious visuals
How the fuck can visuals be pretentious?
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>>100546535
>no character's relationship/devolopment
Was the character developement too subtle for some people or something?
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>>100546508

I don't have anything to add except that I agree, but I wanted someone to reply to you. Sometimes when I try to make a reasonable comment like you did I get no replies and it's a little discouraging. So just know that at least one person appreciates your efforts in making a quality post.
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>>100546583
Are you kidding? very easily, some stuff that creators love to add simply because it looks cool, artsy and whatever.
At this case a lot of those scenes where visuals goes weird.
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>>100546559
>>100546583

>being surprised that someone who dislikes Hyouka doesn't know what "pretentious" means
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>>100546583
When they have no relationship to theme, plot or much of anything and are just there to look artsy?
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>>100546583

/a/ can hate anything...

anything.
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>not liking Hyouka

It must suck having shit taste.
I feel sorry for you guys who didn't like it.
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>>100542840
>Can someone tell my why?
Someone's will explained it. There's no way I'll write a wall of text just to satisfy one person's argument.
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>>100546863
You just described every show by Shinbo ever
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The MC was just so boring and unlikeable. His whole character was based around being boring
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>>100546833
Trying to look smarter than it is by adding unecessary but pretty visuals that actually have no purpose?
Oh yeah, no one knows anything, so we just better deny everything anyone'se said about something I like.
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>>100546583
I also though something like that was impossible. Then I watched a series wasting time in panning over uninteresting backgrouns while the chracters are talking about unmeaningful shit.

Seriously, this worked on The Disappearance, but despite unlike Hyouka what was happening was actually interesting for the most part.
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>>100546535
>how can anyone actually think that bunch of teenagers could be possibly interested in irrelavnt shit?
Because it's not really possible for a bunch of teenagers to solved a murder case?
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>>100546947
Yeah exactly my point. And the same is true for Hyouka, only more so.
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I don't care if you don't like it: I do and don't need to empirically prove to you that it's enjoyable.
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>>100544482
You get the same zealous fanbase for pretty much anything made by KyoAni.
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>>100546771
Yeah i suffer from that almost any time i post something more elaborated than a rant. But it's nice to know it managed to getto someone. Thanks anon.
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>>100547023
>unecessary
Which is?
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Wait, what's the point of this thread again? Hyouka sucks yeah, I don't like it. Then what?
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>>100542840
If you don't know why it's great no amount of explanation will suffice, it is an acquired taste.
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>>100542840

It was decidedly mediocre for the most part.

Average OST with typical catchy j-pop OPs+EDs, nice visuals at times (disappointed they seemed to completely give up on Oreki's autism delusions later on), character interaction felt genuine and within the story but it was hardly anything special - just typical teenage drama; the concepts it explored such as genius vs hard work (oreki and satoshi), being socially trapped and having a life planned out (Chitanda), and fear of personal endeavours (Mayaka and her manga ambition - I could never be as good! why did you quit!) were nice but nothing outstanding and pretty stale in that they've been pretty much explored in so many other anime already. They were essentially taking already stale topics and placing them within the context of a different cast without adding any major or minor introspection to said topics. Chitanda's dumbass sheltered facade(?) despite being part of some socially high class elite was so blatantly nothing more than the obligatory 'moe-hook', and Oreki as a apathetic but exceptionally talented individual when he's assed was a blatant self-insert too. The way he winds up being tricked into a club with one of the hottest girls in the schools as well as the subsequent interactions with other hot girls is nothing more than typical Kyoani boring guy-hot girl-club scenario bullshit which is so prevalent amongst their works.

When it was airing it was exceptionally dull and had moments where threads where pretty much dead even on the day it aired to show the complete lack of interest it garnered.

I have no idea where this rabid KyoAni 'Hyouka is so great/masterpiece' fanbase came from because they sure as hell weren't here when it was airing.

This is one show where the use of the word 'over-rated' most certainly applies.
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>>100547308
Anon got trolled by a KyoAni hype thread and now he wants to be consoled
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>>100546583
>How the fuck can visuals be pretentious?

>Visuals I like but don't want to admit I like

And there you have it.
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>>100546535
see >>100545471
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>>100547308
Some people might like it?
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ITT: >STOP LIKING THINGS I DISLIKE
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>>100547064
anon pls. do you even know what you're saying?
hyouka has more pretentious visuals than the crap shinbo pulls?

are you fucking serious? when was the last time you looked at monogatari?
and hyouka was pretty much by-the-book in terms of visuals. it was only a lot of effort, but nothing overly pretentious.
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>>100547418
No one said they don't like visuals, they said they just don't really add anything outside of being pretty.
Such a primitive logic.
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>ctrl+f forced animation
>0 results

You disappoint me, /a/.
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>>100547415
>>100547552
Nevermind, I got the answer thanks to >>100547615
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>>100542840
Were you also disappointed when you realized IS was shit and Milky Holmes isnt a masterpiece?
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>>100547615
Think you'll find it's the other way around
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>>100547658
>hyouka has more pretentious visuals than the crap shinbo pulls?
No one said that, it's the same shit as Shinbo does, don't try to overwrite what other's saying.
Your demagogy wouldn't work.
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>>100547752
I don't. IS was great.
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>>100547658
Hyouka is pretty much KyoAni trying to copy monogatari but with no harem antics, incest or supernatural stuff to at least make it a little bit interesting
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>>100547856
Are you for real?
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>>100547890

This must be the dumbest post I read today.
Congratulations!
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>>100547890
>>100547833
you people have no idea just how pretentious shinbo is if you think hyouka compares to that level, or is "the same".
seriously, it blows my mind.
please stop talking about things you don't understand.
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>>100547405
>I have no idea where this rabid KyoAni 'Hyouka is so great/masterpiece' fanbase came from because they sure as hell weren't here when it was airing.


Because the details that makes it great cannot be grasped that easily, much less with the hype and constant comparission with other KyoAni works. I also watched it when it was airing and abandoned it because it wasn't what what i was expecting from your typical KyoAni show.

a couple of years laterid ecided to give it a chance now more calm and with all the hype gone i finally got to understand why so many people believes this show is great. And i agree.

It's not your typical easy consummable product as msot popular anime out there. Hoyuka requires certain affinities, sensibilities and carefullness to let those dedicate viewers to get in-close to it's shinnier parts.

As said before, Hyouka is not for everyone. But those who get to see the appeal are bound to find wonders.
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>>100542840
Because i want to do Irisu that's why
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>>100547890
>Hyouka is pretty much KyoAni trying to copy monogatari but with no harem antics, incest or supernatural stuff
What are you talking about?
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>>100547752
>Milky Holmes isnt a masterpiece
I will fight you
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>>100548068
10/10 post anon, I laughed
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>>100548117
I feel like milky holmes had more mysteries than hyouka.
It's not true, but I feel like it is.
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>>100547705
>visual media
>looking good adds nothing

You're legitimately a retard. Cool.
How do you manage with day to day activities ? Can you tie your own shoe laces ?
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>>100547890
>Hyouka is pretty much KyoAni trying to copy monogatari but with no harem antics, incest or supernatural stuff to at least make it a little bit interesting
I...what?
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>>100548068
>It's not your typical easy consummable product as msot popular anime out there. Hoyuka requires certain affinities, sensibilities and carefullness to let those dedicate viewers to get in-close to it's shinnier parts.
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>>100542840
Because KyoAni. It's that simple, no long winded explanation needed.
It's the same reason some people still insist that E8 was art.
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>>100542840
Because it aired in an overall shitty season/year.

Don't get me wrong it's good but it's no AOTY like people are making it out to be.
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Hyouka is the best high school based anime in existence. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
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>>100547890
I know this is bait, but Hyouka's novels are older than Monogatari's, just saying.
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>>100547405
>I have no idea where this rabid KyoAni 'Hyouka is so great/masterpiece' fanbase came from because they sure as hell weren't here when it was airing.
no, from the thread you could tell that there were many people who were really enjoying the show.
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>>100548387
It's my second favorite anime of the decade so far.
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>>100548387
Didnt it run in the same season as Watanabes homojazz show and that fujitits Lupin? At least those two didnt put you to sleep
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>>100548068
>It's not your typical easy consummable product as msot popular anime out there.

So pretentious.

I generally feel favourable to the show but people like you...
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>>100545359

>then it turned into a slice of life romace.

It always was slice of life romance. Everything else was just background to help develop the characters.
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>>100548481
I don't think you know what pretentious means. Explain how that is pretentious.
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>>100548481
Anime these days mostly favour pandering over plot. And i'm glad i find something different even if it took me a while to understand it's appeal.
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>>100542840
>Someone care to explain to me why this anime is so great?

It's absolute boring shit. There's however a handful super-autistic kyoanus shitposters here who copypaste trolling texts to make it seem that this shit series isn't disliked here.
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>>100548516
Ya but the slice of life was shit, the mystery was the best part, but there where none of it in the last 4 episodes.
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>>100548420
Cromartie.
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>>100548454

Trust me - I was there whilst it was airing and every step of the way, even being first in starting some of the threads on the day eps were being released - these pretentious overly glorifying faggots really weren't there and only really started leering their fanatical views near the very end of the show defending the ending, then there was a lull of several months after it ended and suddenly there's been one of these faggotry threads Hyouka such a masterpiece! almost every week since.

>>100548563

>characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved

It's quite clearly pretentious - you're unduly giving it this 'it's too intellectual for the average person - it can only be appreciated like a fine wine after its set for a while in the mind! attitude.
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>>100548732
It's a good comedy, but it lacks any major pluses besides a nice script and good voice work, both of which Hyouka at least matches and far beats out in other aspects.
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>>100548766
>when exaggerated or undeserved
It's entirely deserved. I think this thread alone is proof that it isn't easily consumable for the average anime watcher.
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>>100548766
I didn't post in the threads because I knew /a/ had nothing constructive to say. Furthermore most of the people in the threads where KyoAnus lickers which were only interested in posting moeblobs, so there wasn't a lot of discussion going on to begin with.
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>>100548766
>these pretentious overly glorifying faggots really weren't there and only really started leering their fanatical views near the very end of the show defending the ending
no, i was there when the show aired and people i remember great threads and people praising it. especially towards the latter part of the show. personally i knew i liked it a lot even while it was airing.

saying it was pretentious doesn't really mean anything. tatami galaxy was also "pretentious" in this way, but all this means is that people enjoyed the ride and and look at it fondly.

the lull was because the ending wasn't very interesting.
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>>100549014
I assure you that's not bait.
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>>100548766
In fairness, Komeiji was praising the show as a masterpiece after the first episode. But then he killed off his trip in shame when it turned out /a/ hated the show.
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>>100548766
>Trust me - I was there whilst it was airing and every step of the way, even being first in starting some of the threads on the day eps were being released - these pretentious overly glorifying faggots really weren't there and only really started leering their fanatical views near the very end
After the first 5 episodes one of the first threads I saw was comparing it to "I have no mouth, and I must scream". I'm inclined to believe you are lying.
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>>100548766
> you're unduly giving it this 'it's too intellectual for the average person - it can only be appreciated like a fine wine after its set for a while in the mind! attitude.

Because it's true?
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>>100545716
seconded
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For every "Hyouka was a master piece" thread, we get 10 "Hyouka was boring/shit threads". Universal acclaim you speak of does not exist. What does exist is a task force of people who take any chance to shit on KyoAni.
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>>100549657

>For every "Hyouka was a master piece" thread, we get 10 "Hyouka was boring/shit threads"

I really would beg to differ and say the opposite

KyoAnus is the most circle jerked to studio on /a/
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No one claims it's the greatest thing ever, and no ones gonna spoonfeed you why you should like something you don't like.
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>>100549971
>KyoAnus is the most circle jerked to studio on /a/

Yes, and?
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>>100549971
>KyoAnus is the most circle jerked to studio on /a/
This all boils down to your dislike of KyoAni, huh?
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>>100549971
notice that the only people even mentioning kyoani are the shitposters trying to stir shit ITT.
liking hyouka doesn't have much to do with kyoani, much less k-on.
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I'm not sure if I agree with a lot of the claims that the show was subtle. The character development was pretty blatant and even mentioned multiple times throughout the dialogue itself.
That being said, I still thought Hyouka was a great show. It's one of those few animations that are directed/written with the intention of being sincere.
All of the character interactions felt genuine while still utilizing some anime tropes.
Is it fair to call it a masterpiece? Probably not, but time will tell.
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Usually I let people have their opinions but for this show I'm still dumbfounded that people call it shit because they got bored watching it. Simply because it did what it wanted to do so well. I get that this type of show might not suit everyone's taste but calling it shit is delirious.
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It's visually stunning and I like the characters, and thanks to the fairly nonexistent story – which I'm perfectly fine with, mind you – those two things are more than enough to carry the show.
Even though it's not iyashikei, it still kind of feels like one to me. Watching a pretty show about a group of friends interacting is calming and makes me feel good.
That's really it.
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> you will never discuss hyouka with /a/ for the first time again.
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I will never understand why /a/ calls Hyouka subtle. It was anything but.
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>>100551592
it is subtle in the sense that half of /a/ doesn't even get what the series is about.
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>>100551592
>>100550781
Only 3 posts that weren't you two said anything about subtlety in this thread.
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Did anyone read the novels? Are they different from the anime?
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>>100551688
And this is the only Hyouka thread that has ever been made
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>>100547405
This. I have never seen a show so boring, easily one of the worst shows Kyoani has ever made
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>>100551907
>one of the worst shows Kyoani has ever made
That's KnK
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>>100551592
It makes great sense if you never consume any thing that isnt lolharem or KyoAni SoL shows
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>>100552179
It makes great sense if you consider that they never consume anything that isn't harem or KyoAni shows.*
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Why was the OST so godlike?
All the songs was memorable and was spot on.
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10/10 taste



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