Ever since some /a/non pointed out the chins in 3.0, I can't stop staring at them.
It's impossible to watch the damn film.
I'm sure there's a deep symbolic meaning behind them.
God fucking dammit, Op, as if the plot of the film wasn't bad enough, I hate you so much.
3.0 is bad, but now I can't replay some good scenes.
I always feel the chins staring at me.
The chins represent the downfall of society after the Third Impact, and the deformity of the human race after most of it was destroyed.
That chin is what will happen to humanity if we keep hurting eachother.
The crimson chin?
Thank you based Honda.
Fuck the Spear of Longinus and the Spear of Cassius, just have them poke the eva with their chins.
Please, don't do this to me.
And this is why 2.0 remains the best Rebuild.
You are closer then you think
I'm still butthurt about the preview.
I would've given my left nut to see what Anno what going for.
But instead, we got a shitty fanfiction.
God fucking dammit.
I knew it, I fucking knew it.
I'm starting to believe that it isn't a fucking coincidence.
Asuka calls the humans who are going to pick them up "Lilin" at the end of 3.0, as if she wasn't human anymore.
Is Anno going to pull some bullshit out of his ass, and turn Asuka into an Angel or some shit?
That would also explain the blue eye.
My thoughts exactly.
Don't lose hope yet Anon, those things happened during the timeskip, it is not like Anno would troll us that badly ;-;
All I wanted was to see Kaworu use his angel powers.
YOU COULD'VE AT LEAST MADE HIM LEVITATE IN A SCENE OR SOMETHING, FUCK YOU ANNO!
Her being half-angle is all but confirmed at this point
Dont remind me. The rage is flowing into me again.
Anno will never explain what happened during the timeskip, it's too late.
The only option he's got is to keep going with the terrible trainwreck that is 3.0
It looked so fucking good.
So fucking good.
I don't understand.
B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HOMO SCENES WITH SINJI, ANON?
ISN'T THAT WHAT EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE?
>You will never be able to watch Gendo in the mountains after Central Dogma is completely destroyed.
Living is suffering.
Hold me, anon.
The preview actually looked interesting
>Kawaru didnt look lika a complete and utter faggot in the preview
>Gendo the explorer
FUCKING WHY? FUCKING WHY ANNO?
I still see 3.0 as ''Anno fucking with every single character and giving the middle finger to anyone you might have felt attached to''.
And there's just no way that 4.0 won't be worse that it's almost impossible to have any hope.
>And there's just no way that 4.0 won't be worse
Reset ending, Shinji sacrifices himself, Kaworu becomes Homura
Already predicted by fans for years.
Shit has to be 3.0 level of fuck you.
Simply confirming something we already guessed is only to give a ''ha I fucking knew it''.
Why did he change it?
Mark my words.
Asuka turns into an Angel, kisses Shinji, and fucking dies.
And Rei Q will also sacrifice herself, but not before giving Shinji his tape player back.
Shinji never goes on an Eva again.
Something like that, yeah.
No fucking idea.
>Shinji never goes on an Eva again
>Shinji doing the reverse opposite of what he's told
That'll be the day.
I heard he was halfway done, but wasn't happy with what the product was turning into, so he started again from scratch.
2.0 actually made Asuka competent and fixed her character in my eyes.
That bit where she talks about changing herself and accepting help from others was probably one of the best bits of character in the entire series.
Because he wanted jewgold and the fujoshits gave it to him
bullshit homo sapiens aren't that warped.
Goddamn it Anno, this isn't an art project.
The second half is a video of Anno cursing and insulting the audience Live-action of course
She was a prideful pilot, and being a tsundere made sense in the TV series.
If they did something good in the rebuilds with Asuka, it was the character development in 2.0, before it all went to hell in 3.0
>2.0 actually made Asuka competent and fixed her character in my eyes.
>one of the best bits of character in the entire series.
>hacked up dialogue with no backstory
>>Kawaru didnt look lika a complete and utter faggot in the preview
But Kaworu being gay with Shinji was the (only) highlight of the whole movie.
Evangelion 4.0: You can (not) be gay
The problem is they are different characters and it isn't development for Sohryu which would be ok after all the shit she has gone through but a new character more or less without problems who "betters" herself
I want Sohryu back
The best Asuka is Eoe Asuka.
Agreed, and seeing her go insane while fighting the mass-produced Evas still gives me goosebumps.
Shit, EoE was so good.
which is Sohryu.
Also EoE Asuka wouldn't be the same without events of the series
This. Shikinami got better from what exactly?
Some vaguely implied loneliness, that was never explored. She ain't Soryu so she can't conveniently borrow bits and pieces of her backstory while carry a doll named fucking Asuka
>shown to actually be a fucking decent pilot rather than that one second in the series where she takes charge
>shows that she's actually a protege rather than some hotshot where you wonder how the fuck she got anywhere in life, especially compared to Shinji who seemed to do all the work in the anime
>knows she not perfect when having her chat
>agrees that maybe it's good to get help and endlessly bitching at people might not be the best thing
And then 3.0 happened and put all that to shit.
You have to place the movies in context with the anime and fit whatever the fuck you want into your own personal fanwank canon.
She blew a few heli, a couple of tanks and got massacred afterwards. Her whole fight in EoE was completely onesited with Asuka just walking in the park with the military and then getting her ass handed to her by the Lance literally coming out of fucking nowhere and beating her.
I want Anno to leave Evangelion.
I mean it.
Release the TV series in Blu-ray and move on.
The canon is already getting all sorts of fucked up with the Rebuilds.
Just stop it.
dat bitch was pregnant
We need a spreadsheet were we collect all infos we definitly know about Rebuild to distinguish it from NGE+EoE.
Is Rei=Lilith even confirmed? or that evas are powered by dead mothers
What's the point?
The movies are another timeline.
He can literally do whatever the fuck he wants and retcon everything without actually fucking anything up in the anime.
Anno hasn't stated that they're spinoffs, in fact, he said the Rebuild are more like a sequel.
>mixing up Soryu and Shikinami development
Naw nigger, as far as we know Shikinami has a loving family and was just a bit arrogant
Especially if you consider how fast she accept she was acting unreasonably
I don't care for such a shallow character
It is confirmed that the soul of the mother of the pilot has to be inside the Eva so they can pilot it.
Rei has no Lilith DNA in her
Mari uses 3 different Eva units, Shinji uses 2 different Eva units
The Mothers Soul thing has been dropped
I don't want the thread to 404, even if it's for the sake of nostalgia alone, I fucking love discussing Evangelion.
>Especially if you consider how fast she accept she was acting unreasonably
Could you enlighten me when it was stated or implied in Rebuild?
>It is confirmed that the soul of the mother of the pilot has to be inside the Eva so they can pilot it.
You're confusing Rebuilds with the TV series.
In the TV series, the soul of Shinji's mother is in Unit 01, the soul of Asuka's mother is in unit 02 and unit 00 has Rei 01's sould, hence, the issues with the Eva,
The fact that /a/ can go on discussing a 19 year old series still quite suprises me.
It's fun, oh come on, I really don't want to fucking talk about KLK.
>You're confusing Rebuilds with the TV series.
What? I am showcasing the differences between NGE and Rebuild
The latest movie just came out over a year ago, though.
Eva would still be discussed but probably not half as much if there was no Rebuild.
>The fact that /a/ can go on discussing a 19 year old series still quite suprises me.
I originally asked if it is confirmed in Rebuild.
Yeah also /a/ usually prides itself on only discussing newer shows because only normalfags watch show which are >=2 years old
And the shitstorm 3.0 caused a fucking uproar, no wonder we're still talking about it.
>Implying this wasn't Anno's plan to get a bigger audience and to make people ready for 4.0.
In 4.0 their final evolution into coolface and other hilarious may mays will be complete, and Anno will make off like a bandit and retire.
much more interesting is how there are sometimes 3-4 Evangelion threads with 400+ posts in them
Because it's a good show, and good shows will still get attention, no matter how old they are.
I wouldn't suprised if Anno made another shitstorm with 4.0.
It's almost as if he has mastered making shitstorms.
I know I'm suppose to give you shit for mentioning that word but I just feel empty.
It wasn't the plan was to sell Kawoshin merchandise
And it worked
You that doesn't always work all the time.
I've actually heard this theory previously, that Anno changed 3.0, because he wasn't going to be able to finish it in time to make 4.0 (which was supposed to be released at the same time) and he made 3.0 a shitfest, so the viewers will be mad as bollocks and keep discussing the show until 4.0 was done.
That does make sense.
Are you seriously asking for examples of old shows that don't get many if any threads?
I figured you should have something to support your argument.
Was I wrong?
Not just vaguely implied. She was totally alone and she sad that herself. There was for example no Kaji this time for her to further add to that.
I agree with the back-story. Just because its Asuka we can't say she got the same. I mean she has that specific fucking doll so there's no way. Probably something less traumatic.
I think thats why Rebuild 2.0 Asuka works. She is different that's why she can adapt quicker.
This time is like no other for us in living memory
(long may it last)
Breathe the air, take in the feeling of peace and harmony
Freedom can fly close to the sky
Now we can shine, peace in time
We've never had it so good
Through sacrifice children can play in a world without a care
(now that we know)
All is safe, learn from the past and through knowledge we can share
All of the good, all of the time
Spirit is high, peace in time
We've never had it so good
It so good
>Implying Asuka is still tsundere in 3.0 and Mari wasn't just busting her balls over previously having a crush on him
I'm not even that guy, I'm just asking if you're seriously asking that. Because it's amazingly easy to name plenty of stuff that might not be fantastic, but is good and rarely if ever gets threads anymore.
If I'm not mistaken, good shows get discussed, not spammed, in the board, you have to look for them, but every once in a while, there are a few of them.
What does not get discussed is /v/ermin, entry-level shit.
And it's for a reason.
>If I'm not mistaken, good shows get discussed, not spammed, in the board, you have to look for them, but every once in a while, there are a few of them.
If you're saying that every three months someone tries to make a thread about it, bumps it five times, then it dies, sure. But I'm talking about actual, prolonged discussion about an individual series, and not just in an old anime general thread.
>What does not get discussed is /v/ermin, entry-level shit.
Come the fuck on. You'll have to try harder than that.
And what is it exactly that we're having right now, anon?
An argument? What are you implying?
Was this not a discussion about an old, good show, even though the thread is dying?
>Not just vaguely implied
No she just says she didn't care about friends as long as she was number one. That's nothing, especially considering this is EVA and characters are held to a higher standard
The Asuka doll is a giant white elephant in the room that was just forgotten, that's beyond shit writing. You don't get to hand-wave that away with "probably"
She doesn't work, and she sure as fuck can't come close to Soryu
Asuka in 3.0 is a 28 year old soldier that closed off her feelings. She left the doll and her childhood after 2.0. "there is no time in this world to be selfish and think about only one person"
Still we saw her visit him at the start, call his name and check on him later. Its deeply burrowed.
Probably why Mari told Shinji to go help her.
The last time he did something was in EOE. Stop being fooled by media!
No, this is a discussion of a franchise that has had extremely recent releases and has future releases to speculate about, and is also one of the most popular anime of all time. It's not exactly hard to see how it might still get discussion.
Your point being?
She went to go see him to make him feel bad about causing the Apocalypse.
>If I'm not mistaken, good shows get discussed
Why are you going off on this idiotic tangent? What the fuck is YOUR point? This isn't about Eva. We're talking about you claiming that every good anime ever made, regardless of age, has discussion on /a/.
>go see him to make him feel bad about causing the Apocalypse.
That's the wrong Ikari though, the guy that caused the apocalypse is named Gendo not Shinji
Why are you so angry?
You should let this go.
I said Eva was a good example that a good show, even if it was old, will still be discussed.
I didn't mean that every show has to be discussed, no matter how old it is, you're misunderstanding me.
But it was also Shinji's fault. At least they blame him for it.
Shinji has very little blame, the one that planned the thing was Gendo
This is what pisses me off the most about 3.0
How nobody fucking explains anything to anybody.
Especially to a fucking teeanger who has been in a fucking coma inside Unit 01 for 14 years.
No wonder he fucks shit up.
Chin Seiki Evangelion?
Why are you going off on irrelevant tangents? Trying to backpedal? Why are you trying to avoid the argument we're having? Did you realize how idiotic your statement was and don't agree with it anymore, or what?
>good shows will still get attention, no matter how old they are
>good shows get discussed
-You (presumably), 2014
Are you misunderstanding yourself? Moreover, why am I replying to two people? Anyway, what you did was claim that if something is good, it will get discussion regardless of its age.
She also said that there was build up grief for him.
At that point she has no idea about the truth so yeah obviously shes angry. Like I said its deeply burrowed.
Gendo didn't do it though. Shinji did. His farther turned out to be a villain who straight up said that things went according to plan. Not a far stretch to think Shinji worked with him in secret. Especially after Gendo sends Rei to "rescue" him.
Evangelion 4.0: My Little Sister Can (Not) Be This Cute!
>Not a far stretch to think Shinji worked with him in secret.
Come on son, you know who not-so-secretly worked with Gendo yet gets a general pardon?
Picture related. 3.0 was a dumb movie all around
Why didn't Shinji listen to Kaworu when he told him to stop?
It's like I'm really talking to autistic children.
I'm saying, whether or not he was to blame (he was, just not as much as Gendo) THEY BLAME HIM.
HE IS BLAMED
THAT IS WHY ASUKA GOES TO SEE HIM
Because Shinji is a fucking idiot.
>a dumb movie all around
Pretty much this.
>Gendo didn't do it though. Shinji did.
Nah, the other guy is right.
Shinji didn't make EVA's, or plan for this to happen, Shinji isn't responsible for any background machinations that caused that very event to happen.
It's even in the unclear how any third-impact happened, or if the effects on the earth now was caused in that moment. It could be something after, noone knows.
What is 100% clear though, is that Gendo planned and worked for it to happen, as he says so himself.
>It's like I'm really talking to autistic children.
I won't bother to school you how asigning blame works because I have done it one to many times in these threads.
Shinji was literally a child soldier, guess how much blame a child soldier has for the atrocities he commits. None.
>make people ready for 4.0
The opposite happened with me. I don't fucking care anymore.
Why would Shinji listen to Kawrou?
Kaworu is a massive faggot who ruined the one shot he had by doing everything hilariously wrong.
The real answer is that Shinji is extremely desperate and unable to think clearly at the moment, having been mindfucked and traumatized the entire movie.
A movie that makes it clear that messed up emotional kids do not go well inside EVA-units. Kaworu is again, a massive retard.
Good to know that the supposed build up in 3.0 having the opposite effect with some people.
Excellent job, Anno.
You want to know what 3.0 did to Evangelion?
The team doesn't make the anime anymore, the fucking fans do.
We interpret every fucking thing in the fucking film, when it is just simple.
It was bad.
Really fucking bad.
>inb4 4.0 shows the timeskip
and then 5.0 happens
>A movie that makes it clear that messed up emotional kids do not go well inside EVA-units.
>Movie still blames him
This is why the movie boggles my mind
THEY EXPLICITLY SAY IN THE DUALOGUE THAT THEY ARE ALL VERY MAD AT SHINJI FOR DOING WHAT HE DID
Oh god, if this happens....
The reason I stop around /a/ some times and post in an EVA thread isn't because I'm super-hyped or ready for 4.0.
I actually dropped 4.0 around half-way into 3.0 when I realized we were past the point of redemption.
I'm as unready as ever.
>watching EVA with a female friend
>"damn, that shinji guy is just like you"
Yes and? That doesn't make it less dumb or wrong
It's the Rebuild of the End of Evangelion
Just because they're mad doesn't mean they have a right to be mad, or that Shinji actually is to blame.
People are messed up, and WILLE are the worst.
Even if it does happen, the preview of 3.0 showed a completely different plot.
The film would have to adapt, and it would be as bad as 3.0
Anno is better off making 4.0, hoping for the best, and making a terrible movie again.
You know what must be done
NGE or Rebuild either way you're a faggot
How about you try watching it in the native resolution, at least, you retarded cunt?
Tiffany Grant agrees don't bother
In a parallel universe, /a/nons all over the world have followed the journey of Gendo through the mountains as it was in the preview.
Knowing that they saw the good 3.0 makes me sad.
I got it from fucking google, go kill yourself.
See, here is the thing about that though. We, the audience know for a fact that the members of WILLE should be blaming SEELE and Gendo for what happening. For the sake of the movie WILLE can only blame Shinji for what he has done regardless of whether he is really at fault or not. They know what Shinji did. Half of them were there when he did it.
Is it right? Of course not, because we the audience know the truth. Can you blame WILLE for not knowing the truth? No, you really can't.
People are indeed messed up and it was horrible how Shinji was treated by Asuka, Misato, Ritsuko, and the others but going by what they know throughout the movies alone you can't be surprised at their reactions.
3 and 4 should have been a single movie, they splitted them because jewgold
You don't even know what we're talking about you dumb faggot. It was a conversation about why Asuka went to go see him. Because she's mad and she blames him.
Don't try to enter in the middle of conversations without knowing what the fuck people are talking about.
BUT THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE FUCKING CHEERING HIM ON.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, MISATO TOLD HIM TO CHASE HIS FUCKING DREAMS OR SOME SHIT.
DON'T TRY TO JUSTIFY IT.
IT IS STUPID AS FUCK.
>Half of them were there when he did it.
>Can you blame WILLE for not knowing the truth?
Actually they know Shinji went to save Rei, they know he never wanted 3rd Impact to happen. They were cheering him on for fucks sake
So it's even more hypocritical to blame him. So yes I can blame them
I thought they had meant to release 3 and 4 in theaters at the same time, but I either misread, misheard, or Anno changed his mind.
At any rate, they probably should have been combined into a single movie.
I have at least a partial explanation as to why 3.0 felt off compared to the first two. 1.0 was episodes 1-6, 2.0 was 7-19, while 3.0 was pretty much just episode 24 with a time skip thrown in. Compared to the amount of story covered in the first two, covering one episode worth of plot feels jarring.
>Can you blame WILLE for not knowing the truth? No, you really can't.
You can, since we only see a part of WILLE and those should know the truth, and if you blame someone without knowing the truth.... then yeah. Even Sakura confirms that his memory is consistent with the last moment he was active.
You can be surprised at their reactions, but that isn't the main problem - the problem is that it's extremely forced. No character behind it, just plot.
This guy got it right: >>100537906
3.0 is literally "FANWANK IT" now instead of providing anything even remotely interesting itself beyond pure moe.
In other words, Asuka is a fucking cunt and has no right to be mad.
When I was referring to WILLE about "not knowing the truth", I was referring to the fact that Misato and the others had no idea that everything up to that point was a part of Gendo and SEELE's plan and essentially Yui's plan. I know that they knew Shinji obviously wanted to save Rei and not start 3rd Impact.
You will just have to learn to deal with it
>the problem is that it's extremely forced.
I can't disagree with you here.
You should kill yourself. Save us all an impact.
If they knew, then WHY THE FUCK WOULD KEEP HIM IN THE DARK AND TREAT HIM LIKE SHIT?
HE HATES HIS FATHER, EXPLAIN THINGS, HE WILL FUCKING UNDERSTAND, HECK, HE MIGHT EVEN HELP YOU.
Please, just stop trying to justify it.
Thank you very much anon.
Post time-skip they know about SEELE, Rei and Gendo
So that is not an excuse
Then we go on and have to ask: Why is it forced?
We know they can write good stuff if they want to.
If something is forced, then there must be somewhere they want to go, that's difficult to go with the premise of 2.0.
I as well like to believe Shinji is innocent.
That would have been a terrible idea. Going off of this idea >>100538346 , 3.0 was short on content, but forcing 3.0's material into the finale (25/26/EOE) would have just made 4.0 a clusterfuck vastly worse than 3.0.
It never felt like they were completely blaming Shinji, but rather they were uncertain as to how much of a role he played in it. I believe they said if they knew he had done it intentionally, they'd just have killed him. Rather, the fact that he was essentially a living catalyst for the appocalypse caused them to distance themselves from him out of uncertainty. Which is a believable human flaw, which is ultimately what eva is all about. It may not have been presented in the best way, but their actions do have a certain logic to them.
>then there must be somewhere they want to go
Into Kaworu's pants
Seriously people need to realize the cast acts like retards and alienates Shinji just to drive him into Kaworu's arms
>but rather they were uncertain as to how much of a role he played in it
And yet again Ritsuko gets full amnesty although she knew about Rei and Gendo's plan
Yes, this anon has explained everything wonderfully
Somebody should screencap it and post it in every damn 3.0 thread.
>It never felt like they were completely blaming Shinji, but rather they were uncertain as to how much of a role he played in i
First and foremost I disagree, and even if correct they went about his awakening the completely wrong way.
>I believe they said if they knew he had done it intentionally, they'd just have killed him
They didn't say that.
There are no believable human flaws in 3.0 whatsoever besides Shinji's reactions, and even that may be pushing it.
>their actions do have a certain logic to them.
Anon, get over yourself. They don't. They act for plot and plot alone, which is why WILLE conveniently stays their attack until they're needed.
Buen trabajo, anon.
Risuko isn't a living catalyst for the appocalypse. The fact that Shinji is makes him at least as dangerous as an angel, and I believe they mentioned the possibility that he may not even have needed an eva to trigger the fourth impact. Shinji is the main character and we see eva largely through his eyes, so of course the actions of Wille seem unfair, but looking at through Wille's perspective, it does make sense. (Also, Shinji being the main character is likely why the 2.0 preview of 3 has largely abandoned. Having a that much time spent without your main character is much more difficult to get away with in movie format, which they probably realized. The original 3.0 would have just set up the current 3.0, which is itself just a setup for 4.0. )
>defecation system shutdown choker
>Risuko isn't a living catalyst for the appocalypse
Neither is Shinji, the catalyst has always been Eva. Ritsuko was deeply involved with what went on behind the scenes at NERV, and everyone is ok with her being 2nd in command
>and I believe they mentioned the possibility that he may not even have needed an eva to trigger the fourth impact
No, they never say anything that even alludes to something like that
I am almost certain there was a line where they discussed it was 'lucky they didn't just kill him', or something along those lines. And in either case, chokering him instead of killing him when he is literally an appocalypse waiting to happen, along with Misato hesitating on the kill switch until he's out of range, shows there's still some lingering affection left for him. The strategically expediant way to go would have been just to take the eva to power the ship and kill Shinji. Again, the material wasn't handled the best, but at least part of that is that our view as the audience is largely stuck on the main character.
That's gotta cut deep.
Wrong. If she confirms that she Direct quote "though its ALWAYS been NORMAL for me to be alone" then that does not just vaguely imply she is or was alone.
"there has never been anyone who sees me for who I really am"
"it feels good .. talking to others ... I Never knew"
You say how she _feels_ about being alone. That is a completely different point.
You say that yes at the start she only cared about being an EVA pilot. Being alone was fine at that time.
That does change though.
This is where this comes in the continuation from my first quote : "though being alone shouldn't bother me..." and now she goes to join Shinji in his bed talking to him obviously showing that it Does bother her
"recently Ive been thinking that its nice to be around others"
The doll is a different thing which I guess makes no sense to discuss with you if you think its useless.
There's so many wrong things with that picture.
Why is Gendo laughing, why does he not have a beard.
>I am almost certain there was a line where they discussed it was 'lucky they didn't just kill him', or something along those lines.
Not that I can recall, got a citation for it? Maybe the dub said something, and fuck the dub if that's what you watched.
Doesn't really matter does it? Love, hate, dislike, it's never just one. It's what you do with it.
>The strategically expediant way to go would have been just to take the eva to power the ship and kill Shinji.
If you're a shit strategist maybe. The smart thing to do is to treat him well and inform him to play for your side, and then put a bomb on his neck and actually pull the trigger if you need to.
You do this because Shinji is an asset in your hands.
And I do think they might be making Rebuild the way they are doing just to drive us crazy with interpretations.
To me the best part of 3.33 is when Fuyutsuki reveals the truth to Shinji. It's what makes Shinji go overboard. After all the things he's endured so far in the film, this is what really makes him act the way he did at the end, he only wants to stop his father, and the only way he knows and believes this is possible is what Kaworu told him. He's not to blame for anything, he wasn't meaning to do anything wrong in 2.0, he wasn't meaning to do anything wrong in 3.0, he was just acting with the knowledge and feeling he had at the moment, and that last thing he's not responsible for.
In fact, since the Third Impact Misato and everyone else is supposed to be less human and lot more serious.
By that train of thought, you would expect them to make the right choice to get the best outcome out of the situation, since they can't afford to lose anything else.
But instead, they treat the child who could both save or destroy the planet, like shit, and then they fucking wonder why Shinji did what he did.
They gave him no fucking choice, because they acted like a bunch of jackasses.
>Risuko isn't a living catalyst for the appocalypse.
She's either a double-agent or something then, since she both aided and abetted NERV's work on a level the rest of them don't even understand. Shinji is but a flea in comparison.
We don't see through Shinji's eyes, we follow Shinji and it skips over to the rest of the characters, so the actions don't seem unfair, they are as presented, unfair no matter the context. It does at no point, no matter the blame, make any sense to proceed as they did.
>Having a that much time spent without your main character is much more difficult to get away with in movie format, which they probably realized. The original 3.0 would have just set up the current 3.0, which is itself just a setup for 4.0. )
Which is a piss-poor argument considering it's not the first movie, but the third which already had set up a fair lot of things.
This is just shitty fanwank from you that doesn't exactly justify 3.0 being a poor movie in many aspects.
They had all the time they needed, they could have released it in 2020 if they wanted. They have the money, the power and time to do so. There's no pressure.
So did Misato but not like that.
She sees the impact with Misato and clearly says its bad.
If I start a nuke then it doesn't matter if I created it or someone else planned the attack.
The problem is that Shinji didn't think for a second that something bad could happen or what was happening outside at all.
Shinji was the reason why the EVA and Rei the Angel combined though. He triggered the impact. They clearly state that he can start impacts in 3.0. Thats why he gets the leash. It gets repeated at the end again in the same way.
No matter how someone treats you, you always have a fucking choice.
This picture will amount to nothing in 4.0
You would at the very least expect Misato to understand and not be a piece of shit in 3.0, since she cheered him on, but then, when the impact started she understood, and you could tell she was thinking
"What have I done"
She fucked up, and she cheered on the guy who fucked up, yet she fucking acts like she had nothing to do with it and Shinji is the devil itself.
The dub is actually the most recent version I watched, so things might have been changed, regardless, I can't seem to find where I left my file for the sub, so I can't confirm how much of a difference there is. Basically, through, my main problem with 3.0 is more >>100538346
and that 3.0 feels more like a bridge between 2.0 and 4.0, rather than a standalone project.
Sometimes I like to think it comes from a different timeline. That Mari-looking woman makes me uncomfortable.
My point is, they fucking kept him in the dark and didn't explain anything.
For what purpose?
What good could come out of it?
Shinji is a fucking tool, he will never do anything by himself.
If you tell him to do something, he will do as he is told.
But NO, FUCKING TRAITOR, HERE, STAY IN THIS ROOM AND TAKE ALL THIS SHIT AND DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
Mari is cancer.
I wish Anno would stop fucking with us already.
Meh at the same time :
>spends 14 years doing nothing because Shinji is afk
>plan is explained in a simple way
>we need to pull spear A and B that's it
>tells Shinji to stop
>SCREAMS AT HIM TO STOP BECAUSE ITS NOT SPEAR B
I like how Gendo planned on the fact that Kawo would have no clue about the spears despite knowing him to be an Angel. Which was obviously wrong. The plan would have completely failed without Shinji randomly fucking Kawo over and pulling it anyway.
Also, Kaji doesn't seem to be around, and I don't belive his fate is mentioned in 2.0. He likely died in the 3.0 that was teased at the end of 2.0, which is what triggered Misato becoming more distant from Shinji in the series episode 24, which is basically what this movie is.
Really Mari is microcosim of the problems Rebuild has, that is, having no fucking clue what to do with the story elements they present.
She was useful in 2.0, because, well, Beast mode.
That basically it.
>If I start a nuke then it doesn't matter if I created it or someone else planned the attack.
It does, that's fairly the only thing that matters. Even in real life, you don't blame the operator who turns the key - the president ordered the nuke.
>The problem is that Shinji didn't think for a second that something bad could happen or what was happening outside at all.
That's not a problem, that's a virtually irrelevant question posed as a false dillemma from you. It never becomes relevant since things are from the very start of the series, already hilariously bad following a second impact and a world war. Him considering or not makes for no difference, the same way the rest of the characters never ever stop to think about collateral damage.
It's genuine hypocrisy and retardation to proceed with the logic you propose, as if one particular incident should make them more blameworthy than the others. Especially when you consider that with Shinji's limited knowledge, he has no reason or even background to suspect anything going foul.
>Shinji was the reason why the EVA and Rei the Angel combined though. He triggered the impact.
It started before that, and as you may have realized, all this is made possible by Gendo/SEELE before Shinji.
I think EVA fans are more preoccupied with their waifus, instead of analyzing things logically.
Asukafag? Shinji was wrong for saving Rei! He should have considered saving Asuka and the rest too!
Reifag? Shinji was right for saving Rei! He wasn't in a position to consider anything else at the time!
I'm giving the Reifags right on this one, all things considered.
>I can't seem to find where I left my file for the sub, so I can't confirm how much of a difference there is.
Let me confirm it for you then, there is no such thing whatsoever.
Also your problem is the core of the issue, which leads to everything else being crappy. Blame Khara and Anno for their hard-ons for Shinji and Kaworu, since it's the only reason things turned out this way.
Pretty much this. Seems to be a recent trend with a lot of the shit Japan puts out. The Final Fantasy series in its current state is another good example: throw some characters and a story together and then realize you have no idea what to do with any of it.
I felt so much anger when I read about how Mari's character was conceptualized.
It's the spear of longitude dumbass
>plan is explained in a simple way
You can't explain a complex plan in a simple way. It's like saying "oh, we'll just launch a rocket from here to the moon, what could go wrong?"
A lot of things, it turns out. Which leads to a lot of sorrow, grief and bad times for everyone involved.
Kaworu ended up ruining Shinji either on purpose or inadvertently by giving him the biggest shock he has had until Fuyutsuki gives him another strong contender.
I'm hoping we get an ending in 4.0 like the one in the manga.
But, I mean, can you really even call Mari a character?
To me, she is a plot element, like the Spear of Cassius.
She likes using Evas.
Ok, good, so does Asuka.
She has no backstory whatsoever.
Ok, good, why is she here again?
>Gets on Unit 02 and starts biting off AT fields.
Ok, I am okay with this, you can leave now.
She was useful to introduce the idea of Beast mode and fanservice.
>I felt so much anger when I read about how Mari's character was conceptualized.
Don't. A lot of the characters in the show that were there from the start was conceptualized on the same reason. A lot of the "oh so deep!" stuff was put there for no other reason than "it'd be cool".
So, it's kind of shallow and moronic to react at it like that. It's what you do with it that counts, nothing more.
EXACTLY, FUCKING EXACTLY.
That's why she doesn't kill him. Shinji doesn't hear her so what she screams is irrelevant for that. Its his decision alone.
I suspect this too :
>So, it's kind of shallow and moronic to react at it like that.
I don't agree with this sentiment or perhaps I worded how I felt incorrectly. I was angry at it because it screams "laziness" to me.
Okay, I give up.
If you're going to keep trying to justify this clusterfuck of a film, have at it.
But I'm not doing this anymore.
>But, I mean, can you really even call Mari a character?
By all definitions. See >>100540595
Just so it's said, your description makes her about as useful as Asuka, if not more plot-wise.
You should have realized that now, that Asuka isn't present as a character, but as a fanservice-element to both fans and the creators who are all asukafags more or less.
By episode 24, Asuka wasn't even there, she was gone, remember? Now she's action-girl suddenly.
The third movie would be crucial in not just further establishing Mari and Asuka's characters, but basically the entire direction for it. As of now, both are essentially service with no character-specific element to contribute, and the direction has changed.
You too, read above.
Well I maintain that it's moronic and shallow. It's probably something else that's bothering you that you won't admit about it.
Many things are born from laziness, some of our greatest inventions are. It's what Mari does that counts, and in 2.0 she was fairly okay, but in 3.0 she's worthless.
Mari seems more like a thrill seeker than an attention whore. But on the other hand that's all there is to her. She's just there for the series to be different from the original.
You know, I'd be okay with the "because it's cool" stuff if they followed up on it. The key of ne...whoever? Forgotten about. Kawrou's Eva? missing presumed gone. Asuka's character development? BACK IT UP. Rei's character development? Fuck that lets replace her. If you look at it 2.0 really feels like a waste of time they threw everything out so quickly
Thats your kind of view. Where everything is just an order. Wehrmacht soldiers were just ordered too huh ?
"What happens to me doesn't matter"
"What happens to the WORLD DOESN'T MATTER"
"I'll save Ayanami"
This is not just some slight collateral damage to save the world from an Angel. Its disregarding the world for one person because he Liked her.
>some random as fuck shit about "waifus"
What the fuck are you talking about ?
>You know, I'd be okay with the "because it's cool" stuff if they followed up on it.
So would I, since then it'd cease to be "just because it's cool".
Are you telling me that during the TV series, Asuka wasn't a character?
If you are, I don't think we've watched the same anime, m8
If you don't have arguments then yes arguing is pointless
And you are absolutely free to maintain that belief.
After making my post, I also thought about a great many things that were indeed born from laziness.
You gotta be kidding me.
Yeah, to take the Mari example again she would have been an okay character if they had shown they knew what to do with her. Instead she's probably going to become like a human version of the GS ball
>What the fuck are you talking about ?
The truth probably. I've seen it far too many times to discount it. Think about it yourself, tell me who you are and you'll see where you fit.
>Thats your kind of view. Where everything is just an order.
It was your example, not mine, pick better analogies if you can't handle them being thrown away as rubbish.
Shinji's blurb of dialogue isn't fairly incriminating, as in heat of passion and disturbance one might say all kinds of things, and even for Shinji's line it's obvious that he's maintaining that as a show of resolve. Which is further proven right when he elaborates on his intentions earlier, which was to save Rei, no?
>This is not just some slight collateral damage to save the world from an Angel. Its disregarding the world for one person because he Liked her.
Which makes you butthurt, right? Because it's not the right person for him to like?
As we both know, Shinji can't fully disregard or doom the world if he knows or believes he can't do that. So there's no credence to the idea that he can have willfully and knowingly meant, with full effect, what he said. Moreover, it makes perfect sense as a show of resolve, and becomes logically inconsistent if you assume your view is right - since he's also offering up himself, there'd be no gain for him if that was the outcome - he dies.
Calm down for a bit and be rational. Don't be the waifufag.
I actually would like that to happen
Rebuild isn't the TV-series.
Exactly, she looks to be some kind of plot-related character given her dialogue, that might be a double-agent or god knows what in the end.
However, you can't fault the introduction of the character in 2.0, and you know just as well as I do, that in Evangelion which is a long-winded series taking place over a long time, in this case 4 movies, applying all character worth to one movie is a bit of a stretch.
If you don't see the "point" of Mari's character by a few minutes of seeing her, then it means you're actively looking for and desiring not seeing a point, since the overall point is not clear until all is said and done. Similarly with Asuka, you won't see the point of her character by watching her skip around and joyfully murdering the crews of a few naval vessels.
>Rebuild doesn't finish until after I'm 30
I want off Mr. Anno's wild ride.
To be fair, it must be hard as fuck to be a waifufag now.
You have 4 characters to choose from.
There's Asuka and Rei from the TV series, and then there's Asuka and Rei from the Rebuilds.
Cut them some slack.
But there's not even a release date, anon, how can you know that for sure?
People really discount this.
If you've ever shouted "I'll kick your ass!", or "I'll kill you" at someone in anger, you'd know with a little bit of self-insight what this is all about.
Reminds me of the movie "12 angry men", where the child accused of murdering his father allegedly shouted "I'll kill you!", and they debate whether or not it was meant as an actual threat or as anger stemming from the father's continual abuse and neglect.
I guess Asuka is more important than being correct though. Personally I interpret 3.0 as the resulting butthurt from some Eva fans after 2.0. It may not be right, but it makes sense since this is what they'd want to happen with the characters.
I found this pretty disturbing. Let's talk about it.
If Anno dared to change my Asuka into an angel I'll chop his balls off.
>not even a release date
That's how I know for sure.
I agree with you that judging Mari by the second movie is unfair, but we have one movie left to wrap everything up and it sure as hell won't be focused on her. So we'll get a rushed explanation, or no explanation.
Five if you count Rei Q...which many do not
But Asuka was always an angel.
OH, NOT MY WAIFU.
Boo fucking hoo
I like show that have many spin offs and stuff. Even someones are bad. Because of like a would like EVA to have more films after Rebuild (not necessarily worse or better)
You mean that bland piece of meat?
I do not consider something which has 5 lines and 3 of them are "I don't know" to be a character.
That summed it pretty good. She can do whatever he wants with Rei or Mari. Not Asuka
See, I fucking despise this way of thinking.
Milking a franchise is never good, and it is meant to please people like you.
When a show is done, it is done.
I'd agree with you if I felt like Anno had any creative talent left in him. As it stands he doesn't have a clue what to do with the series. He either needs to give someone else the helm or just let it rest.
You are fucked.
Yeah I know.
>having Shikinami as your waifu not superior Soryu
Anno is planning to leave Eva in Khara's hands after Rebuild. The thing is Rebuild is not really about telling a story but create a new setting for Eva. The plot is just a tool for the new setting.
Also, how fucking old is he supposed to be in 3.0?
How is he not dead?
And something that also bothered me was Gendo.
Does fucking Gendo not age or what?
Sure, he got some new shades, but, dude, 14 years are 14 years.
I think you mean spear of longniness
You guys know this is a joke, right?
Gendo's augmented now.
When I say waifufag, I refer to someone who has already made their choice. Ultimately, even in civil discussions that choice is what matters for what you argue.
He probably did.
The sentiment among fans and others is that Asuka is, plainly inferior to the other waifus or big-name characters.
Besides herself, she carries no strength, no power, she is purely descriptive of a damaged 14-year old with no real relevance but being a foil to Shinji, and is in the whole fairly irrelevant. Her arc ends with her eventual failure and relegation to obscurity, until EoE comes along and heals her for a moment to bring her together with Shinji for the finale, which is interpreted by the fanbase as a romantic, even sexual victory.
Thus has Asuka's image manifested itself, but it's only popular among a crowd with a certain mindset of craving romantic victories.
In my opinion Asuka is fine, she's a great character in a great show, but like you know, that isn't enough for some.
This is why Asuka needs to be "fixed", she needs to be improved and be made more sellable. This starts with 2.0 where Asuka is already a more redeemable person set to not fail but succeed. By 3.0's ending, that's exactly what she has done, and to boot, she's gained what seems to be super-strength.
Asuka now has part of what might be missing in her character for her to be paraded around as a trophy, some plot relevance. But most importantly, Asuka has agency.
I've seen some point out the irony in Asuka calling Rei a doll, since it's a projection of her own fears of being one - which she was in NGE, completely under the control of her "masters", and could be replaced at a whim.
That is no longer the case in Rebuild however, as I imagine WILLE is fairly dependent on the now independent Asuka.
If Evangelion was a super-robot show or a "super fighting" show, Asuka would now have the powerup that would make her relevant. Like going SSJ or getting a Bankai (first).
Actually the whole thing is there because of legal shenanigans. So Anno can strip all the rights Gainax has to NGE
>How is he not dead?
He's just 74.
His setting sucks though. He had plenty he could have done with the original setting without needing some kind of set up movie series. People just wanna see more Eva, they don't care about it being part of some multiverse continuity.
What was, Anno's comments?
Man I need to watch this fucking documentary
>Asuka is, plainly inferior to the other waifus or big-name characters.
The setting does blow. It's essentially something that will establish a framework where some characters suck on purpose to emphasize the good qualities of others better.
Essentially, it's a fanfic made official.
I have Soryu as a waifu. Do I have good taste?
>which she was in NGE, completely under the control of her "masters", and could be replaced at a whim.
Oh God again this idiotic shit. Following that logic everyone was replaceable and a doll by your definition
They were interviewing him and they asked him what Evangelion meant, and he started explaining but then said that he liked it because it sounded complicated, and he laughed, and the interviewer chuckled, it was a damn joke, there is a meaning to the name, but anons took it out of context and use it as an argument every time against somebody says Eva is complex and has an interesting plot
The best taste
It also leans way too hard on the original series then tosses it all out the window. It's like he couldn't make up his mind to do something new or something different and ending up doing both in the stupidest way possible.
god damn rused hard
Read on to see what I mean by that. When it came down to popularity, recognition and simply just being a remarkable character that had a theoretical solid place in Evangelion's universe, she was plainly inferior.
Some characters emerge as less important than others even if they have as fantastic a character as Asuka does.
It's what they emphasize in the show, anon. "Replacement" is what they called it, and they do it at a whim and plan for it even beforehand.
It's in the actual show, you know, and this is something that hurts many fans so they choose to look away from it like you.
For the record, the show does raise the question you asked, but in truth it depends on how vulnerable a character is for replacement.
Gendo for instance, is considered to be less replaceable than Lt. Ibuki for instance.
That's because 3.0 was supposed to fit like the preview did.
It was supposed to make sense, and be good.
But shit got fucked, and we got piano lessons and exploding heads.
I'm afraid to watch the rebuilds thanks to all these threads recently
Impeccable taste. Shame figs of her are hard to come by.
>Gendo for instance, is considered to be less replaceable than Lt. Ibuki for instance.
By who? The plot? Nobody is replaceable by the plot
By SEELE? SEELE doesn't care about anyone, even Eva01 is replaceable as far as they are concerned. You are using faulty logic to reach an idiotic conclusion.
Even with 3.0 being like the preview I still think 1.0 and 2.0 could have been better than just shot for shot remakes of NGE. I like that we got to see the start of Eva look all pretty but it's a wasted opportunity to make something completely new and fresh.
Sorry to disappoint but the person being rescued would not change the situation at all for my point of view.
I like Rei as much as Asuka or Shinji or anyone. They can end up together how ever the fuck they want. I don't see any connection to this scene if you look at it logically. That is if the person obviously is still important to Shinji.
Why the sudden insults ?
Its again your view that the analogy is rubbish. It works you got it.
They still state some kind of truth in a weaker form for his feelings. Yes he is not consciously deciding
"I know the world will be fucked but I save her anyway" yet still he is showing that he cares so much for her that he ignores the world.
Oh here we go again with the pointless profanity. You are dead wrong and completely missed the point. Maybe more reading and less insulting would end in a better conversation.
>By who? The plot? Nobody is replaceable by the plot
In the setting. See this is exactly what I'm talking about, Asuka is your waifu so you won't see logic or reason because it insinuates something that hurts you.
>it's a fanfic made official
While I agree, sounds hypocritical coming from an asukafag. Taking in consideration how much they loved Re-Take
>In the setting
What does that mean? Even Lilith was expendable as far as plans go. Once Project E was successful and an artificial God was created everyone could be discarded.
If you want to pinpoint someone who was important its Yui, for a time.
I am pinpointing the flaws in your own logic, because your grasp on the Eva universe is abysmal
then what's the point of having 14 year olds pilot them in the first place?
Wasn't the mother-son/daughteru thing the sole excuse for having mentally deficient 14 year old emotional wrecks pilot those damn things?
>Sorry to disappoint but the person being rescued would not change the situation at all for my point of view.
I doubt that.
>Its again your view that the analogy is rubbish. It works you got it.
It's not my view, it's your analogy as explained earlier, come up with a counter to that or just give up on it.
>They still state some kind of truth in a weaker form for his feelings. Yes he is not consciously deciding "I know the world will be fucked but I save her anyway" yet still he is showing that he cares so much for her that he ignores the world.
That kind of feeling is one and alone not enough to condemn anyone. If there's a fleeting feeling of forgetting the world and focusing on one thing, that isn't necessarily a bad thing is it? Would it be any other work that didn't have waifus, it'd be hailed as a great and powerful moment.
dont' bother, I've yet to see any actual argumentation. There's no profanity in my posts, maybe language you aren't used to, which means you should ask for clarification instead of dismissing it entirely.
Like I said, calm down and be rational.
And all of them were replaceable with other pilot candidates
You know, Shinji's whole class
The JSSDF stormed NERV with the order to execute everyone. Everyone was expendable
>What does that mean? Even Lilith was expendable as far as plans go. Once Project E was successful and an artificial God was created everyone could be discarded.
There is a hierarchy of relevance that you seem to have problems understanding.
The footsoldier dies before the general does. A pilot like Asuka is thrown to the dogs before they throw Lilith or Adam to the dogs.
That's what it means, there's no flaws in the logic here at all.
I can only assume since this is fairly easy logic to get, and since the only thing you're bothering to respond to in a mile-long post is something about your waifu being replaceable, that it's some waifu-issue.
Last I checked, fans were all right to enjoy fan works. Even if Re-Take is as obviously shipper as you can get it, they can have their fun, but the very real stuff shouldn't stoop down to that level.
You can't pin it on Asukafags, unless they work for Khara, and then again for different reasons.
You seem to have misunderstood, since while i.e Lilith is ultimately expendable, it's only ultimately that Lilith can be considered expendable. It shouldn't be hard to admit that Pilot#2 is less important than the demi-god in the basement.
It all comes together in this massive organization of players who want different things, and they all have varying degrees of agency and power. In that sense, which might be the point you didn't get in this post: >>100541869
is that this is somewhat rectified in 3.0 for Asuka. She stands stronger now.
>A pilot like Asuka is thrown to the dogs before they throw Lilith or Adam to the dogs.
>That's what it means, there's no flaws in the logic here at all.
But that's fucking wrong. Losing Asuka is the same as losing Eva02
Who the fuck are you even implying has more strategic value then the three pilots? Because Rei can be discarded just as if not more easily, since they grow her in test-tubes.
If you're gonna ship, at least do it right.
>But that's fucking wrong. Losing Asuka is the same as losing Eva02
Ah, I see. You've misunderstood Evangelion then. Rewatch the anime, and you'll see that Ritsuko were already planning to rewrite the core of EVA02 for another pilot.
You realize Kaworu was Asuka's replacement, right?
If you bring the homo, the fujoshis are going to take advantage and join the thread.
>It shouldn't be hard to admit that Pilot#2 is less important than the demi-god in the basement.
But that's fucking false. Without Pilot#2 the demigod in the basement is naked and prone to attacks. Same with the rest of the pilots.
You don't seem to comprehend that fighting the Angels is a Zero-sum game. Everything gets thrown at them, everything is expandable.
We were discussing 3.0, not the TV series, for christ's sake.
That has already been discussed and clarified.
It's cute how butthurt you turbonerds get at the rebuilds. You put the original on such a pedestal and act like it was a flawless masterpiece and not a retarded as fuck otaku cartoon, then you nitpick fucking everything from the rebuild. The original was just as bad except it looked like shit too you just have nostalgia goggles with ultra thick lenses.
>Ritsuko were already planning to rewrite the core of EVA02 for another pilot.
Because the Dummy Plug system worked so well with Eva01 right?
>You realize Kaworu was Asuka's replacement, right?
You realize Kaworu has dominion over his clones? And he wasn't a replacement, that was his cover, he was a plant sent to destroy NERV
>But that's fucking false. Without Pilot#2 the demigod in the basement is naked and prone to attacks. Same with the rest of the pilots.
Not really, they managed fine since they have Pilot#1 and #3. If Pilot#2 fucks up, they can say, get another of the kids in the class. That's what the class and the "Marduk Institute" is there for.
They outright say that they are going to replace Asuka.
Asuka as #2 pilot exists to protect said demigod, nothing else, If she cant' do that, she will be replaced. Guess what: she was. By Kaworu.
And there's the shitposting, it was taking you a while.
We don't know if he was 100% sure that there would be zero damage to the outer world. I said disregarding the world not fully disregarding. He didn't think an impact would happen but probably not just happy harmony either.
Yes I agree that what he said is not to be taken literally. It still has some kind of truth behind it. Also I don't think you should argue for logic with that if you say earlier that its just resolve. Additionally just because he might die doesn't mean he can't sacrifice himself.
Well if you assume things with no base and then get told the direct opposite with arguments... There is no point in talking to you if you straight up think I just lie.
It is your view. If you don't agree its pointless to continue I agree.
Too bad its not just a feeling. He acts on it and triggers the impact.
I only dismissed your pathetic provocations not your points. If you cant see argumentation and you dont use arguments yourself. Pointless
ok, so why the fuck do those faggots still pilot the evas in rebuild?
>Too bad its not just a feeling. He acts on it and triggers the impact.
>We don't know if he was 100% sure that there would be zero damage to the outer world.
We know actually, since he says he had nothing else in mind.
If you back down from them, the fujos win.
And Pilot#1 and #3 can be replaces just as easily "as in not as easily as you think"
So again what is your hierarchy here? Insisting Shinji and Rei are not as replaceable as Asuka is faulty logic
Was I the only one who saw the Instrumentality Project as something good?
It was supposed to bring everyone together into a mass of LCL, complete happiness, no worries, nothing.
Is that so fucking bad?
To sell merch. Who the fuck knows, the plot has yet to explain why only children can pilot in Rebuild
Christ, he seems much younger in 3.0.
See picture related. Notice anything?
Pilot #2 is expendable and replaceable. It's what happened.
>We don't know if he was 100% sure that there would be zero damage to the outer world.
The thing is, even if that were the case you'd have to prove without any reasonable doubt that there existed a knowledge of him knowing. The series has presented none so far but hinted greatly at the opposite.
This is just a case of you WANTING to believe, due to prejudice or other factors. In the show, it is clear.
That indeed has never been explained, and probably never will.
Be a bit boring wouldn't it? No sadness means no happiness.
eva threads are nothing but shitposting are you kidding me
it's just waifu faggots arguing and over analyzing shit that's been discussed to death already
Honestly though it probably is a good thing for at least the vast majority of people.
>It's what happened
Are you a bag of retarded shit or something? Kaworu was not her replacement that was his cover, he was sent to destroy NERV that was his mission
>Because the Dummy Plug system worked so well with Eva01 right?
Not the dummy plug, but you could count that too as backup for a pilot. Rewrite for another person. Another pilot.
>You realize Kaworu has dominion over his clones? And he wasn't a replacement, that was his cover, he was a plant sent to destroy NERV
He was a replacement for Asuka. It was his cover, but it was what he was doing all the same - replacing Asuka. If not him, there'd be another kid.
What exactly is your problem? This is really easy stuff and they say so explicitly in the show.
He was her replacement all the same. Even before Kaworu was there, they were thinking of replacing her.
Asukafag, stop being so stupid and admit you're wrong. This is exactly the kind of dumb shit that makes the Eva fanbase hard to deal with, they don't get their own show because of idiots that want their waifu to be pure and shit.
>they don't get their own show because of idiots that want their waifu to be pure and shit.
But Asuka is pure shit
My problem is you don't see the glaring flaws in your argument. The children became replaceable after the Dummy Plug test run, only they fucking didn't because the plug would not work. Why would rewriting the core work?
They can barely get the Eva working as is, pilot safety is actually a bigger priority then keeping the Eva whole since regrowing them is easier then finding new pilots.
Not my problem you are a tard who thinks Kaworu (who doesn't even pilot Eva but subdues them) was a replacement pilot.
If you actually responded to my arguments there I'd be there to reply. There was no counter for you but "that's wrong".
There's not a single reply or sentence from you that gets down but tackle profanity. If you can't handle being told you're wrong or proven wrong, go to evageeks or some forum where moderators can hold your hand and you get censoring.
>Asuka is pure shit
>Not my problem you are a tard who thinks Kaworu (who doesn't even pilot Eva but subdues them) was a replacement pilot.
He officially was, that was even his cover.
You have some kind of retardation or malfunction in your brain, seriously:
If his cover was to be a replacement pilot, doesn't that mean that the concept or practice of replacement pilots exist? That in fact proves you wrong right there, which was the point. NERV would replace any pilot that didn't work out.
This is why Ritsuko even discusses this option when going over test results.
Just stop it Asukafag.
The chins were present in the original series too you fucktards. It's just part of Evangelion's retarded style.
>If his cover was to be a replacement pilot, doesn't that mean that the concept or practice of replacement pilots exist?
It was also a lie you idiot.
>NERV would replace any pilot that didn't work out.
Which is why the replaces Shinji after he ran away 2 times right? No you dumb fuck. Did you see the Eva graveyard. There is no standard procedure for tending to Eva, it's all guesswork. Once they find something that works they stick to it.
And again what is your hierarchy here? Asuka was replaceable? The so were the other two pilots. What are you even arguing here?
Well, there goes the thread.
It's been nice, guys.
>My problem is you don't see the glaring flaws in your argument.
Like what? You need to point them out to claim there are.
>The children became replaceable after the Dummy Plug test run, only they fucking didn't because the plug would not work. Why would rewriting the core work?
Noone mentioned the dummy plugs but you, I was talking about rewriting the core.
Secondly, you're hinging on the idea that somehow, rewriting the could wouldn't work - well if Ritsuko says they'll do it, then you'd better damned assume it will work. They'll just throw out the contents of the core, and put in another. Fully functioning EVA for new pilot. Simple concept.
>They can barely get the Eva working as is
They have only a few problems with specific test models, the EVA's themselves work fine.
>pilot safety is actually a bigger priority
...for as long as they are a pilot or desirable as a pilot.
>the EVA's themselves work fine
>Eva01 goes berserk every Tuesday
>wont accept the dummy plug
>Eva00 goes berserk every Monday
The only half way reliable Eva was 02
>Like what? You need to point them out to claim there are.
Assigning more worth to Shinji and Rei then to Asuka for arbitrary reasons
Eva threads are cancer
EVA01 going berserk is in their favor and expected of it under certain conditions.
EVA03 was invaded by an Angel.
EVA00 was that specific test model.
EVA02 was very reliable save for it's pilot, and unless you missed what EVA02, the production series EVA, which Asuka touts as the most advanced... yeah. Give up askafag
Confirmed for butthurt waifu fag
>EVA03 was invaded by an Angel.
Sorry Eva04 exploded
This was nice at the start.
So at the end of the day you have no argument
>Maybe if I keep calling him an asukafag and telling him to give up, I'll win the argument
That's pretty sad, dude.
not that guy, just thought you were a little cutie pie putting words in his mouth due to a perceived attacked on your cartoon girlfriend's honor
They're all fucking nice at the start. Then something happens and they turn to shit 250~ posts in
I should probably rewatch NGE. I watched it when I was 15 for the first time, I bet I missed so much.
>It was also a lie you idiot.
It was a cover, not a lie. He was there to replace Asuka, and because NERV was in-tune with that practice and was getting a replacement pilot for Asuka, Kaworu could enter. He merely filled the position but with ulterior motives.
>Which is why the replaces Shinji after he ran away 2 times right?
He never ran away. They kept tabs on him.
The EVA-graveyard are all failed prototypes.
>There is no standard procedure for tending to Eva, it's all guesswork.
Child pilots and so on is procedure.
>And again what is your hierarchy here? Asuka was replaceable? The so were the other two pilots. What are you even arguing here?
You're getting here, and I now see why you're mad, it's the EXACT reason for why Asuka was changed in 2.0/3.0, because people like you have such a hard time accepting the fact that Asuka was replaced and replaceable in NGE.
Shinji and Rei are also replaceable to a certain extent, but they are both more important than Asuka.
Shinji is important because he pilots EVA01 and EVA01 requires Shinji, which holds Yui which is important to Gendo. Gendo calls the shots.
As long as he pilots with no backup, he's relevant. He is also the main-character.
Rei is important because she is Lilith and the key to Gendo's plans, so they would not sacrifice Rei unless needed but would actually sacrifice Asuka instead. This is shown when they send help for Rei, but not for Asuka when she needs it.
Not arbitrary, the reasons are given but you're denying them as the butthurt waifufag you are.
Which was because it was also a test-model with a S2 engine.
The production-series work just fine.
It's sad that I have to say it, since all he does is move goalposts until his autism goes amok and he just leaves in frustration.
Just check it.
Look a few posts before the anon who's calling everyone a waifufag, and the shiposting started.
There was a discussion.
you seem to miss that a normal replacement pilot wouldn't work because their mother's soul isn't in the motherfucking EVA.
But yeah NERV didn't knew that so they wanted to replace the pilot who was missing and tried to kill herself
you can forget alot in a year
All I see are angry turbonerds discussing inane shit aka an eva thread
It's sad that one can't argue in favor for a character without being called a x-fag.
>the reasons are given
What reasons? Why is Asuka more easily discarded then Rei or Shinji?
>Gendo calls the shots.
No that would be SEELE. So what you are actually saying is Rei and Shinji are more important to GENDO. I can give you that, but it means jack shit at the end of the day
That's like saying Kaji is more important then Shinji because Misato loves him.
>you seem to miss that a normal replacement pilot wouldn't work because their mother's soul isn't in the motherfucking EVA.
Core rewrites. Sorry.
It's a defense mecanism.
>I-I'm not a waifufag, I'm just defending my cartoon girlfriend's honor!
>Why is Asuka more easily discarded then Rei or Shinji?
Because she appeared for first time in episode 8 for christ's sake, she wasn't even when SHINJI and REI destroyed the fucking angel by themselves, she wasn't neccesary
>Dummy plug doesn't work
>But a core rewrite would defintly work
Ok tell me this Mr.smarty-pants, why send Rei into battle in Eva00 then, why not just rewrite the core and get another pilot
The souls just fly over his dead, forget it.
Right, yet he still ignores the outer world and consciously goes for the angels core.
What you say are his intentions. His comment about ignoring the world might suggest that he thought about possible damage in his mind. Which he clearly didn't want to happen but considered or should have considered possible.
Again we will never know. This is just speculation. A reason why _Wille_ thought he is guilty. I personally can see both views.
I placed a sentence after the "wrong" explaining exactly why you are wrong in easy English.
Well maybe you should use less provocations in your post if you can't handle it when someone points it out. You seem to get confused about it and miss all my other points.
You also seem to be the one that can't handle the wrong word correctly. Again you start with the random ass comments about stuff like "evageeks" "you cant handle" "hold your hand" "you get your censoring"
Absolutely no relevancy.
>you seem to miss that a normal replacement pilot wouldn't work because their mother's soul isn't in the motherfucking EVA.
It would work once they rewrite and re-appropriate the core of the EVA.
They do synch-tests in between pilots testing for compatibility. It can work, and you won't find any source that states it won't.
>But yeah NERV didn't knew that so they wanted to replace the pilot who was missing and tried to kill herself
They didn't KNOW? Anon what the fuck are you on about? They make the fucking things, of course they know! Man you Asukafags are just retarded.
>What reasons? Why is Asuka more easily discarded then Rei or Shinji?
Because she's non-essential to the main goal, they don't need her at the end.
>No that would be SEELE.
Yeah, Gendo would like a word in on that. He calls the shots at NERV, and openly acts against them. He calls the shots.
>So what you are actually saying is Rei and Shinji are more important to GENDO. I can give you that, but it means jack shit at the end of the day
Not when Gendo is the commander of NERV, and things need to act in accordance with that fact.
It means everything.
If you're not a waifufag, what the fuck are you doing on /a/?
>He calls the shots at NERV, and openly acts against them. He calls the shots.
No, he reports to them. And when he does try a coup he barely lasts a few hours
So again I ask you
>That's like saying Kaji is more important then Shinji because Misato loves him.
Because Rei works as a pilot, and unless you forgot, her EVA is the experimental shitty EVA. Her method of synchronization is different, and secondly, the core of the plot surrounding Rei: she CAN be replaced. By herself. Multiple times.
They need to field EVAs, and Rei is a fighting hand that's good and reliable. Why not use her?
yeah just let the eva suck out the sould of the mother of another fucked up 14 year old.
Let's just hope he doesn't realise we intentionally killed his mother.
/a/ used to make fun of 2ch because they had waifus.
This happened way back, but it happened.
So shut the fuck up.
>They do synch-tests in between pilots testing for compatibility
And the test is marginally sucesfull because
A) Rei is a clone of Yui
B) Rei I who is also a clone of Yui reject Shinji
They never attempt a sync test with Eva02 because they know it would fail.
Could i get a reference on NERV knowing that EVAs are powered by souls?
Anon pls. EVA00 is a crappy EVA different from both Shinji and Rei's, and the point of Rei is that precisely because Rei herself can die and still be able to pilot, it's not a bad thing to do. The knowledge/experience she gets can be transferred to the next, and even into the dummy plugs.
Rei is the first pilot, the test-pilot from where things work.
"So, to abandon pure ideals, is that what you're saying?"
- Katsuragi Misato in response to Ritsuko on the subject of using children as pilots.
It's a necessity. Is it horrible? Yes, the world of Evangelion is horrible, and it's horrible to your waifu as well.
RITSUKO EPISODE 23
Today I learned that Asukafags know nothing about Evangelion except for the fact that they want to fuck Asuka.
I now know why EVA-threads end up with pointless discussions, since one part of the fanbase is retardedly ignorant on the subject matter.
I'm truly sorry that i haven't memorised every scene in NGE. Also what purpose has a replacement pilot if he isn't delivered with an additional soul to power the EVA with?
Alright, I'm only going to say this once.
Every single Evangelion needs the soul of the dead mother of the pilot, that is why every kid in Shinji's class can be a replacement, their mothers are all dead, Shinji is in Unit 01 because Yui is inside, the same applies to Asuka.
Now, Rei 01's souls is inside Unit 00, that is why there's so much trouble with Unit 00 and that is why, when Shinji tries to use it, he sees visions of a deformed Rei, that is the souls of Yui's first clone.
It they wanted to replace the pilots, they would have to create a new Evangelion and get a kid, and put their mother's soul inside.
Shinji's Evangelion is not based on Adam, it is based on Lilin, that is why it is needed for the Instrumentality Project, and Rei is also necessary, but there are clones of her, any will do.
Now, Asuka just uses an Adam-based Evangelion, powerful, but not useful for their plans.
In that sense, yes, Asuka can be replaced, but the two other pilots cannot.
What's your point, that it's a soulless, evil thing to do?
Don't apply to NERV then, you'll end up a wreck like Maya. Ritsuko knows they've dirtied their hands, and tells her that outright.
They made the stuff. They saw Yui go into one.
Rei says the EVA's has souls. Ritsuko says the EVA's has souls.
Do I need to repeat that they MADE the Evangelion units? Like, from scratch, they planned and designed how they would work? With souls?
The reference you need for the above is the episode where Rei tells Asuka, then episode 21 I think, and finally episode 23 where Ritsuko spills the beans.
In the LCL there was no end of you and beginning of the other.
The YOU is determined by the differences between people so you would lose yourself in the process.
It would have been all together as one not separate.
If you aren't sure, just ask for help, and don't comment like you know. Not that hard.
>Also what purpose has a replacement pilot if he isn't delivered with an additional soul to power the EVA with?
How do you know he wasn't? All you know, is that a core-rewrite was scheduled for EVA02 as part of Kaworu's transfer.
They were making it happen, just as they had planned episodes earlier when they didn't know Kaworu in particular existed.
>every single Evangelion needs the soul of the dead mother of the pilot
But how does it help if their mothers are already dead.Since we only know of 2 "soul-transfusions" and both happened when the mother tried to pilot the Eva
...and all this over an insightful comment over why Asuka was changed, just because it implied she was lesser.
Fucking Asukafags man.
i asked politely for a reference and again i'm sorry if you interpreted it as mocking someone
I found that you nerds are actually fairly pleasant and helpful when answering a question
When it comes to actual discussion, though...
And kaworu wouldn't need a core rewrite.
Kaworu is a special case.
He is an angel, and Evangelion are in essence, angels.
He simply controls them, tells them what to do.
He is no pilot.
Know the difference.
That's one way of viewing it, but it misses the overall point this post makes: >>100541869
When it comes to question "what is this character doing her, in terms of plot?", or "how strong does the character stand in the setting?", then the answer to that is that it's not remarkably strong. The strength of the character is found elsewhere, in the narrative.
When you get down to it the thing fans often care about is how "strong" a character is perceived as. This is why it was changed.
I know what you mean.
I just focused on her character as in the bigger picture of the plot of Evangelion.
Yeah sorry about that.
The unpleasantness is fairly common here on /a/, you need to adapt, but it's only worsened when you get THAT waifufag who wants to protect Asuka's honor over the internet.
The show basically beats it into your head that Asuka is replaceable as a pilot, that's what even Asuka herself says isn't it? They have the technology, and an entire class filled with candidates to pick from, but keeping the ones they have makes more sense.
>'you're both white"
I like Asuka as much as the rest of the characters of the show, but I like her as a prideful, fragile and lonely girl.
There is one scene where your point is proven, I don't know if you remember, but in the TV series, she's skinny and in a bathtub.
She knows she's expendable, and nobody really needs her.
Sometimes EVA-threads disturb me
Some time ago there was an indepth discussion if Asuka's or Shinji's childhood was more fucked up.
And here we discuss if the soul in an EVA core can be overriden and what it means to replace some characters.
In my opinion if the core rewrite "erases" the soul from the core all pilot's are replaceble by others
at the end every pilot is expandable
Alright then, back here.
just playing devil's advocat but you could create another eva based on lilith and before there was a discussion about core rewrites
One person != all people
Even as a fan of the character I completely agree with this
As a pilot and for the setting/plot she is not really important. She does not connect with her mother and gain real combat usefulness at all until its too late. No great connection to triggering impacts either so she is easily replaceable with anyone.
Her importance is her own story and her influence on Shinji but on an emotional level.
But I guess "Asukafags" is a name that describes people that disregard all and are blind because of that.
Not people that just like a character more than others but still see the whole picture clearly.
There hasn't been another Evangelion based on Lilin. And there never will.
>In my opinion if the core rewrite "erases" the soul from the core all pilot's are replaceble by others
That would be the gist of it. In Rebuild, they are shown to remove the core in it's entirety. They could put back another, readily made core.
Who knows, but that's Rebuild and fuck Rebuild
Not really, since even if that was true some are needed for something else than as a pilot.
Take Kaworu - he's a damned Angel. Plus he can pilot an EVA. Question is if he really needs an EVA? Kaworu dying and just existing is really important to the story, Asuka? Not so much.
Does Anno browse 2ch?
I don't think he really gives two shits about the viewers, don't misunderstand me, I don't mean it in a disrespectful way.
He does whatever the fuck he wants, and that's okay too.
I realy need to rewatch NGE but is it explained why there couldn't be others based on lilith?
Restrictions would only make everything worse, I think we can all agree that Anno has to do with Eva what he thinks is best.
Now that you mention it.
Not at all.
I think it would be so It'd be easier to control only one of them.
Two Evas who could cause a Third Impact...
But still, isn't that what SEELE wants?
Why aren't more Evas based on Lilin?
Oh, by the way, have you guys heard that they're building Unit 01 in nipon?
my only guess would be that seele was in charge of creating eva's and Kaworu dummie-plugs only work with Adam based EVAs
I did see it somewhere, but I didn't believe it to be true.
>Neon Genesis Evangelion, aka Rebuild 0.00 "We have (no) budget"
You'd agree that this has been changed in Rebuild however?
For all we know, Asuka could even start an impact in 4.0.
For all we know, there's been 4 impacts already in Rebuild, and nobody really gives a shit.
It's not milking when the fans are who ask for more.
I think that's what made EoE so good.
The Third Impact was the end, nobody knew what to expect or what the fuck was going to happen, all they knew was that it would be over.
Yet here we are, three Rebuilds in, 4 impacts and everyone is still kicking.
It really is quite comical when you think about it.
Can we discuss something that's bothered me since the Rebuilds started?
Why the fuck is the water red since 1.0
But there hasn't been a Final one. Even if he idea of an impact is tired now, that's not what I asked:
It's changed, hasn't it? Up instead of down.
Up instead of down?
Explain yourself, what do you mean?
There is a theory that says that the Rebuilds happen after Eoe.
The world starts anew and the exact same thing happens, but this time it's kind of different, with 2.0 and 3.0 differing from the TV series.
It's just a theory, though.
Sequel to EoE
Not making myself clear I guess:
Asuka is more capable of exerting strength and agency in every sense of the word than in the original. Right?
She is able to do more now than before. In the original, she was a angry damaged little girl. Now she's an angry super-girl.
It stands to reason, that super-girl can do more, be more relevant, have a bigger say in things - to be a bigger influence consciously and directly.
Supposedly the effects of the 2nd Impact were stronger this time around. But many people spueculate it's the same blood sea spawned from Lilith in EoE.
The theory has become more widely accepted since in 3.0, ripped dialogue from EoE is heard in 3.0 when Shinji has his mental breakdown.
Nothing will probably ever confirmed though.
Something about the original series: why did Gendo and SEELE wait till all Angels were defeated to start Instrumentality?
I mean, all they needed to do was to merge Adam with Lilith. Did they want to make sure there was no more Adam-based life in the world?
I guess it's fine to sacrifice character depth for appealing to a larger audience.
>then what's the point of having 14 year olds pilot them in the first place?
Fate. The "children bound by fate" following a "script" written before their birth.
In case of Shinji, because of his connection with Kaworu. He's an Impact Trigger.
The angels would have made it kinda hard to set their plans into motion
Well, first off, Unit 01 had to awaken to make Instrumentality happen, so in that sense, I guess the Angels are necessary.
But it's never really explained.
I really don't like analyzing Eva in such depth because then I notice how many essential plot points are left to interpretation and it kind of makes the whole series void.
>her entire character is around baka Shinji
>angels would have made it kinda hard
Well that was never really explained.
I guess as >>100546857 said, they needed the Angels' N2 engines or something. Or am I understanding "awaken" wrong?
For an Eva to awaken, they have to get an N2 engine, which means infinite energy, which turns an Eva into a perfect being, which could be interpreted as an Evangelion turning into a god.
>Something about the original series: why did Gendo and SEELE wait till all Angels were defeated to start Instrumentality?
Because it must happen after all the offsprings of one of the progenitors are killed. The ritual ceremony wouldn't take place otherwise.
Adam and Lilith merging isn't so simple. If one of them is in their bodies (or worse, like in EoE, both are), they can stop that bullshit. The Impacts generally happened when situation scalated out their control.
Not really just a larger audience, THE audience.
Khara isn't doing this because of a marketing campaign, really. They're doing it because they want it more or less, is my take.
Let's say you had an Asukafag of the insecure type write the story and progression for a new series. The first thing they'd do is get rid of the things that make them insecure, even when relating to other fans.
Popularity matters here, and Asuka is even jokingly portrayed to be jealous of the success of others, in a meta-sense.
Then secondly, they'd start endowing power to the character, or plot positions even if there's nothing tying that character down to the position.
If you review Rebuild, that's exactly what has been done.
Just like fans want it. Her arc doesn't matter, what matter is that she has agency to make her arc about baka/gaki Shinji. Herself, her choice - just in theory.
So [Eva 01 (Lilith's body) + N2 engine] + [Rei + Adam's remains] = Instrumentality?
Sorry if this shit is basic tier, I'm new to this.
Okay, the whole plot of Evangelion is that if an Adam-based creature and a Lilin-based creature make contact, an impact will happen.
Rei has the soul of Lilin and Unit 01 is the catalyst which makes the Third Impact and Instrumentality happen.
If an Angel, based on Adam, touches Lilin, Impact.
But if Unit 01, after awakening, is used as a catalyst, then Instrumentality happens.
If you're talking about EoE. There were two hybrids beings. Eva 01 (with Yui and Shinji) which had received Longinus as the center of the ritual. Shinji was granted a choice of what to do to the world. And Lilith and Adam hybrid (with Rei and Kaworu souls) which was performing the ritual obeying Shinji's decision because both sided with him.
Instrumentality was a possible outcome. The metaphorical Oedipal suicide Shinji chose for a while to deal with his issues. Seele wanted something similar except there was no turning back for them. They wanted to kill Shinji, Asuka and the rest of the pilots before the ritual started to get full control of everything. They failed to do it, just like they failed to fry his brain (but they did drive him momentarily insane) and Shinji changed his mind about the fate of the world.
Gendo sought to control Adam, use Lilith and be reunited with Yui. He failed. You see Kaworu, Rei and Yui looking down his failings. 2deep4u
>whole plot of Evangelion is that if an Adam-based creature and a Lilin-based creature make contact, an impact will happen.
That cleared it up for me. Forgot that Impact != Instrumentality.
What I don't know is, in Central Dogma, the tied creature is supposed to be Adam, yet Kaworu calls it Lilin.
If the body of Lilin and Lilin's soul (Rei) mix together, then, a god is formed, which is gigantic Rei in EoE, right?
But Unit 01 is the only Evangelion based on Lilin, so if a Lilin-based Evangelion that has awakened is faced with Lilin, why does a reaction happen, aren't they both Lilin-based?
Basically this. Second and First Impacts were not exactly in Adam's or Lilith's plans. Shit just happened by accident (Lilith crashing) and by Seele machinations (the engineering of the Second Impact).
I wonder what would have happened if Misato got info of what truly happened before EoE.
>You see Kaworu, Rei and Yui looking down his failings. 2deep4u
It was probably one of my favorite scenes in EoE. So understated too.
>the whole plot of Evangelion is that if an Adam-based creature and a Lilin-based creature make contact, an impact will happen.
doubt: so then the second impact is called "impact" just because happened bad things, not really Lilith+Adam
Then, why the fuck are the Angels chasing after Lilin's body in Central Dogma?
but it is...
Yeah, the creature in Dogma is Lilin. Adam is in Gendo's hand.
I think it's because Rei needed not just a body. She needed Unit 01 with the N2 Engine, Adam's power, in order to become a god.
Fuck if I know, I thought they were chasing after Gendo's hand but I realized that was bullshit because Kaji delivered it to him only later. Maybe as the earlier anon said they want to initiate an impact?
In the second Impact, Adam's body was pierced with the Spear of Longinus, and it caused an anti AT-field which fucked shit up, and Adam became manageable in a fetus shape.
Lilith is merged with Adam in EoE. Rei took Adam with her before jumping into Lilith. They are shifters beings without a real appearance. Adam chose to take on Rei's appearance too as avatar unless Shinji needed Adam to reassurance him individually (symbolized by the MPevas doing this).
Eva 01 on its part also has the fruit of life it took from Zeruel.
Wait, it's true.
It is never explained why the Angels are chasing after Lilin's body in Central Dogma.
Don't you get it?
Ji can mean child in Japanese, hence, ChinJi means children of the Chin. Since we know this world is an afterimage of Shinjis wished, they are all children of Shinji = ChinJi, thus the giant chins are symbolism for their origin.
I dare whoever says Eva has no plot whatsoever to read this shit.
I fucking dare you.
I quote from the classified info shit from the game: "Some of them were trying to access Lilith and reset all life, some of them had nothing in mind, and some were trying to recover their progenitor Adam."
>nothing in mind
fucking anno being lazy again
Anno truly does not give a fuck.
According to CI, the angels agenda is a test of might and survival like the lilin. Some are looking to merge with Lilith to wipe out humans and restart everything, other have serious mother issues and want to merge with Adam because they need unsafe and others are just hanging around without not knowing what to do.
Kaworu wanted his body back, technically... but he was also confused and wanted to follow the lilin agenda. He obeyed Seele because it was all he had until he met Shinji and dropped them.
Keep in mind the angels were all 'born' during the Second Impact. They are a bunch of big confused kids.
>hardly helping at all
tell me about it.
That's Evangelion 02, right?
The ps2 game?
>everybody is confused
If I remember correctly, humanity is the last angel, right?
A lilin-based Angel.
>so then the second impact is called "impact" just because happened bad things,
No, all impacts imply old life will be replaced by new life. The angels were born during it. It happened because some dudes thought it was really smart to put Lilin DNA (from the 'donor') in slumbering Adam's core which caused a chain reaction that eventually destroyed Adam's core making its body to shrink to regenerate and freed its soul which became Tabris (Kaworu Nagisa) all according to Seele's plans to control Adam.
There's also a PSP port, which apparently has quite a lot of improvements.
Yes. The angels that attack Nerv are just versions of what humanity could've been.
>Keep in mind the angels were all 'born' during the Second Impact
I can you give some arguments, please?
I played the fuck out the PS2 one, I can quote almost anything from memory alone.
I think I might play it on my PSP.
Use of the word 'impact' is just a NERV scam to cover up Adam's awakening as a meteorite impact.
>just versions of what humanity could have beem
Angels are Adam-based life though. Humanity is Lilith, with the fruit of knowledge.
The last angel, as in Adam's offspring, is Tabris, who is its own mother. Lilin is the last angel as Lilith's offspring.
Although technically, Adam and Lilith are still around. They can't be really destroyed. They can be and were fucked over by Seele and Gendo.
It was all a big misunderstanding because they can't communicate and shit, including angels and humans.
Can you give me some arguments, please.
All Adam based life was destroyed during the First Impact. One of the reason Seele engineered the second was to create angels, as sacrificial fuel for their ritual.
Now you realize they did all this bullshit and got out scot-free with a big shit-eater grin.
Excuse me, Angel-san, can we discuss this?
What is the ritual? Rei turning into a giant?
If I remember correctly, it was because two eggs crashed into Earth, a Lilin egg and an Adam egg.
The Adam egg creating planets with Angels, and the Lilin egg creating animals and in the end, humans.
But the Adam egg landed in Antarctica and froze.
>watched the TV series and EoE as a kid
>have been watching rebuild as they came out
>Didn't find anything wrong with it
>/a/ is buttblasted for some reason
So you know moonrunes?
.. You think you could release a translation
Yes, two eggs are never supposed to land in a planet.
If only someone had thrown fucking Lilin and her Soul to another planet through a cannon or some shit, there would be no fucking problem.
>angels were all 'born' during the Second Impact
Ah, didn't know that.
Or Adam, for that matter. Fucking SEELE.
If the precursors hadn't given us the Dead Sea Scrolls there would have been no problem, they would have been shit out of luck.
Fuck that, I tried Subbing once and it was fucking tiring.
That was one of its results, but not actually part of SEELE's plan. Rei turning into Giant Naked Rei was actually the result of Gendo and SEELE's plans colliding with each other, and Rei going rogue to comfort Shinji.
SEELE's ritual was sending the MPEvas to grab onto Unit-01, turn their AT fields up to maximum, form the Sephiroth, and turn Unit-01 into the Tree of life.
Gendo on the other hand was just going to merge Adam with Rei/Lilith and go from there to bring Yui back, but everything spiraled out of his control.
The First Ancestral Race are basically god.
They created the Scrolls, the Spears, the eggs and the seeds of life.
Also, 4.0 will probably happen in the moon and shit.
I rewatched from 1.0 to 3.0 and I don't know if you guys noticed, but when Kaworu is in the moon, there is a fucking white gigantic thing that resembles Lilin, and it will probably be the focus of 4.0
Go check it out if you don't believe me.
Why did Yui go into space with Eva 01 instead of being with her husbando?
That was Eva Mk 6 under construction.
These rituals are effectively similar, the only difference was that SEELE wanted all of humanity to have both Adam's fruit of body in addition to the preexisting Lilin fruit of knowledge.
Gendo didn't give a shit, but wanted to use Eva 01 for something, I think.
Does that look like a damn Eva to you?
It looks exactly like Lilin.
For the time period of 2.0 she is fighting as a stronger person yes. No long continuation of failures.
But does that make her have a greater say in the war ? Ultimately no.
For the period 3.0 in NGE she was pretty much broken.
Asuka is not that broken. She is strong and willing to fight this time. Or so it seems.
Now the problem is that although she did become stronger, she is cold now. Just a soldier that is doing his work in a war. Her strength does no longer come from finding friends but pain and necessitate.
Did she have a bigger impact this time ? Not really. We know nothing of the war from the last 14 years.
Will she in 4.0 ?
In EoE her character gained strength through her mother. We know nothing about that this time. That power was again ultimately useless in the fight. Her death and interaction with Shinji in instrumentality were her impact.
I'd rather have it that way than just her magical blue eye starting impacts. I think it will be similar.
It has the right proportions but it's clearly different in some way, which is why Gendo comments on it's construction method being unusual.
He didn't especially need Unit-01, aside from the fact that it had Yui's soul in it. However, Unit-01 was cloned from Lilith, as opposed to Adam like the other Eva units, probably explicitly to serve as a backup to Lilith for creating an impact. In fact there's people who fanwank that Yui deliberately got absorbed by Unit-01 knowing it would play a role in SEELE's plans for impact, in order to guide mankind to an Instrumentality more beneficial than SEELE's.
That image always cracks me up.
Would those be 'thin' chins?
At this point, Shinji farting will create an Impact.
If Anno goes full retarded and does retarded shit, I think it would actually be more fulfilling than him going on with 3.0
le 4chin man
>But does that make her have a greater say in the war ? Ultimately no.
I say since she does, since she's not lying dead in a bed for one.
>Now the problem is that although she did become stronger, she is cold now. Just a soldier that is doing his work in a war. Her strength does no longer come from finding friends but pain and necessitate.
Thing is, Asuka's character is now so shallow that you're wrong in stating that. You've got not proof. Most seem content with imagining her getting it on with Mari every single day for the past 14 years.
>I'd rather have it that way than just her magical blue eye starting impacts. I think it will be similar.
Yeah, but Khara wouldn't and neither would most of Asuka fans. It's worth saying that it's very few Asuka fans that care about the character from what I've seen.
this is now a chin thread
What is this
>some /a/non pointed out the chins in 3.0
>It's impossible to watch the damn film.
Wait, THIS killed it for you? Pic related.
One of the few.
and even so, he(you) might just be saying that so he won't appear to be as bad as the rest.
Is there a sub version that has this line? need2watch
Gays on pianos scare me
So, what you're saying is that someone can't have a genuine, truthful answer without being a pretentious cunt?
Man, I don't even know what to tell you.
If you read an argument you're against, you don't pay attention, and when's you're proven wrong, you dismiss it as someone trying to fit in and be better than everyone else.
Oh well, whatever floats your boat.
You just don't get post-modern memes man
check my chin skillz m8
If you pull out one example, that's not really enough - an anecdote doesn't serve your argument.
When we look at everyone from the birds eye perspective - new and improved Asuka is more liked than ever isn't she?
>So, what you're saying is that someone can't have a genuine, truthful answer without being a pretentious cunt?
Well you might be new to the EVA fanbase, but.... you shouldn't expect anything more from the crowd, especially the hardcore crowd.
It's a group that generally lacks self-insight to realize, and the stomach and balls to admit their flawed interests. So they conceal it with pretentiousness.
Nothing against you but this "most Asukafags" seems like a strawman. Since personaly i do not know how many people liker her "depth" or her new "cool" self
chin this m9
Did Shinji ever have sex?
I have not heard a single anon say they like the new one better than the old Asuka.
Some have mentioned they prefer her new design, but that's it.
And one person isn't an entire group, man.
Don't be like that.
>Nothing against you but this "most Asukafags" seems like a strawman.
Because in a sense, it is. It's not referring to your friends or criticizing them.
But to the massive shallow crowd.
But for the worst.... even Khara themselves, or whoever wrote it to be this way. Remember: they write what they want. Emphasis on what "they want". Justification can come later, if at all. If it doesn't come, it can with EVA be played off as being "deep" or that you're supposed to fanwank.
>I have not heard a single anon say they like the new one better than the old Asuka.
I have, especially here on /a/ during the height of 2.0 and 3.0 threads.
My point is that new Asuka isn't offensive, Asukafags can find joy in new designs and stuff without the rest really mattering.
Also see above. Know that you're in a place right now, where people are likely to complain.
did u ever have sex
Yet again, you're putting everyone in a group and disregarding them.
Look, man, if you don't like the character itself, then, that's fine.
But if they're in love with a damn chinese cartoon, then you've got two options.
1. Let them love the fuck out of a drawing.
2. Complain and analyze the reason for their love, categorizing all of them as shallow.
Does she stop the impact ? Nope just gets bitch slapped from Shinji. Okay she does save the ship but meh. Okay maybe.
That is Anno's description of how Asuka's Voice Actor is supposed to think of her in Rebuild 3.0 plus other interviews about her that said similar things. The movie does kinda help in that assumption.
I think her changes make it possible for her to have that kind of character interaction while she is still "alive" this time. That will be her expression of strength. Her fight against the EVAS with Mari will be in the end mostly unimportant.
She is alone stranded with Shinji and Rei. I mean she called the others Lilin. Maybe something that differs her from the others too. I can see the eye being used as a connection tool to get her closer to the other pilots.
True Asuka fans want interaction on a character level. I think.
>take ur hand off the piano for a sec
I don't know what's funnier, the sentence, or the fact that the scene is happening in Shinji's room, so that makes it even weirder.
Kaworu was deep again today.
He also told me he loves me.
I wonder what he meant?
how to make evangelion edgy
>He doesn't have a baby grand piano in his room
The thing pulls pussy like you would not believe.
Misato, you drunk pedo slut, get out.
It's kind of funny how the old man from SEELE is exactly the same.
I love this so much but I always want to know why they did that to Shinji's eye.
Like, what their thought process was for it.
wow this sucks
Fuyutsuki is also the same
>Australopithecus: convex teeth, concave chin, high cheek bones
>Asuka: flat teeth, convex chin, low cheek bones
I'm really confused. Is this 3deep8me?
>Yet again, you're putting everyone in a group and disregarding them.
No, you're obsessed with proving the reality of what has happened wrong.
Look at 3.0, tell me what happened to the character.
Now observe that it's extremely popular.
What conclusions can you draw? You could bring up a million anecdotes, fake or real, but the reality is the above - it's a minority opinion, and even so, a minor complaint. It's not about preference in itself either, but accepting.
>True Asuka fans want interaction on a character level. I think.
>That is Anno's description of how Asuka's Voice Actor
outside the movie, and it's more of an "I think", meaning it's still something that needs to be fanwanked in.
This is so forced, it might just work.
Well, I'm done, bye.
Shikinami Asuka is very popular right now, topping just about every list for fans. Like always there's the otaku who love Asuka, and a bigger crowd of girls too who are into asuka and mari since they're cool, strong female characters in Rebuild.
Shikinami was actually above Rei in a newtype listing during 2.0. It's the time of the tsunderes.
I like tsunderes when they are justified, and her attitude towards Shinji in 3.0 isn't.
She's just being a bitch.
Well, I have gone long enough about this previously, but you get my point.
And women just want a STRONG, INDEPENDANT WOMAN, in their chinese cartoons, so I wouldn't take that seriously.
This movie truly was made for the fujoshis, with the strong, independant female lead characters and the homo love between Shinji and Kaworu.
>And women just want a STRONG, INDEPENDANT WOMAN, in their chinese cartoons, so I wouldn't take that seriously.
Why? They're fans of Asuka, and even Asukafags on evageeks and 4chan tout Asuka as strong independent women, and often cite Anno on saying something similar.
well it's always a fallacy when you talk about bigger groups.
That anon used the No true Scotsman fallacy while you continue to build straw Asukafags
>women aren't REAL Asuka fans
Well now I've heard it all, only men get to like EVA characters. They aren't "fans" because they don't see them the same way.
That's my point, usually female viewers only care about that, not about the character itself, but about their attitude.
And nobody really wants to relate to a weak character, because then, their delusion would get fucked up, and they would have to face themselves, and nobody wants to do that.
Her strength is mostly an act and she's independent for all the wrong reasons. Not something I'd think people would aspire to.
Are you going to start white-knighting my ass now?
This applies to the male audience as well, of course.
yeah thats NGE + EoE but in Rebuild we know next to nothing of why she acts like this
>build straw Asukafags
Notice how I'm talking about not any asukafag in particular, but the tendency of a larger group.*
It's like accusing a statistician of making strawmen.
You know there's lies, damned lies and statistics. We're dealing with the third one.
Who are you quoting?
Well, consider that most Asukafans still tout those as a positive then. Then factor in how popular the new rendition is.
Put two and two together.
If you want to be better than those "fake" Asukafags, then at least admit there is a problem.
>It's like accusing a statistician of making strawmen.
Yeah the problem is you don't have a real base for your statistics.
That's true, although I think we can sorta surmise that she has at least some of the problem she had in NGE from her conversation with Misato.
I don't know if I called them fake, really just ignorant of what it means to actually be a strong person. They think simply rejecting people and relying on yourself is all it takes.
>Well, consider that most Asukafans still tout those as a positive then. Then factor in how popular the new rendition is.
I don't know if i understand you correct but i guess no Asukafag would deny that she has serious issues and should visit a psychiatrist
I do assume we're working with some insight into the issue here. You are aware of Asuka's popularity aren't you?
It's called denial anon. Lots of it in this thread even.
>That's true, although I think we can sorta surmise that she has at least some of the problem she had in NGE from her conversation with Misato.
well we know she isn't afraid of dolls which would imply that her mother hadn't the accident in the EVA02 unit see
They changed Asuka's character, gave her less depth and made her stronger, more likable, and relatable.
And most people like it.
Does that mean they're wrong?
Does that mean whoever likes the old Asuka is wrong?
It's a matter of what you choose to like about a character.
See, I really couldn't give two shits about statistics.
If many people liked her depiction in the Rebuild and the creators wanted her character to be like this, that's fine.
If they want to appreaciate a character on a surface level, that's alright.
Nobody really wants to invest in a character with little importance, who is weak and can be replaced (Asuka in the TV series)
But since Evangelion is really about the shit every character goes through, I'd rather have the child who has a crude past and is tormented by it than the Independent strong female lead.
They're two different things, none is better than the other.
Just different levels of appreciation.
Yeah but apparently there's still some issue with relating to people since she talks about how it's nice to have people around for the first time.
>I don't know if I called them fake, really just ignorant of what it means to actually be a strong person. They think simply rejecting people and relying on yourself is all it takes.
You assume that most people actually care about that stuff, instead of a cool anime girl.
Classic "I don't want to be wrong so nothing is wrong just different" style argument
I don't want to comment on the replacement part which was argued already but i would like to deny that Asuka isn't important to the series.
not that anon but taste is something personal.
doesn't stop me from mocking people who prefer Shikinami
>You don't think the same way I do, so you're obviously wrong.
Yeah, have fun with that.
If they're going to make a shallow investment in characters then you can disregard their shallow opinion.
You're both so far up your own asses, you will never be able to see the sun again.
520 replies, well, shit.
How has this not 404'd yet?
Asuka is by my evaluation the most popular eva girl among eva fans, seeing as she did by far the best in Saimoe, gets the most fanart and even erotic doujins, plus she was voted most popular in the newtype poll.
You can also add in the trend of making more Asuka-themed merchandise, such as clothing collections and what not in Japan. Asuka is quickly catching on, here on /a/ and in the west.
Asuka has gained traction with female fans, and it's not fair to discount them because their female, exactly.
It is an easy way to provoke an argument and I realy like to argue
I actually didn't mean it like that.
but I guess poor wording on my part made it look like it.
Well but its for the movie. How Anno wanted the character to be and how he sees it.
In the movie its how she reacts and how she or others describe herself similarly in the movie itself.
Just my view. Not really saying that its a 100% undeniable fact. Almost nothing is if you look at characters feelings.
Eva threads don't die that easily
I'll pick the one that argues for his side and has some points beyond "it's subjective guys, it's OK to like shallow characters shut up shut up my waifu :("
What if the character itself is shallow? Like Asuka is?
Is it shitposting if it results in a discussion?
Shitposting is in my book something that drowns the discussion like spiderman or eva-related KawoShin spam
You did not even read it, did you?
Disregarding anyone who doesn't think the same thing as you as a waifufag isn't going to help you. Neither is it going to make you be right.
It just makes you look like a pretentious cunt without arguments.
You're talking like there is even a discussion happening.
There's just an anon who's calling everyone an asukafag, yourself, and probably several more anons, some of them lurkin and having a laugh at how sad this is.,
See me after class.
I did, and I've made my choice.
Shikinami isn't shallow?
I didn't started this discussion I just answered to a post why i would mock people who prefer Shikinami
Asuka is shallow m8. Yet super-popular on shallow vritues alone, because like >>100552252
suggests, people don't appreciate a character, they choose to appreciate something about a character, which is superficial.
They're not wrong in doing so, but it makes for a point that interest in the character is superficial first, then deep later.
Somebody got my point.
You just described moe, something which all of Japan runs on. Well, that and childish ideals.
Could someone summarize how this thread ended up here when it started with complaining over chins?
Ever go to /v/?
I am Op.
The chins brought destruction upon the thread, just as Anno prophesied.
It all went according to keikaku.
>yfw when you will never be Shinji and save Rei, slowly teaching her the ways of the world
i j-just want her to be happy, /a/
Everything in Rebuild 3.33 is moe in some sense, it's interesting to see what the crowds goes for and what it doesn't. Let's you see where interest lies.
just as predicted in the dead sea scrolls
Pretty much this.
which turns out like :
That made no sense at all.
>Asuka (Shikinami from the old series) is shallow because people like her shallow characteristics and don't appreciate her character
The reason the character lacks deeps is because is people like other things about her. Yes her character itself is not important when you think about her character. Only what people feel about them.
W T F
No never went there I like vidya
As if anyone gives a damn what Japanese mainstream thinks. In the west, on the other hand, the guys who did the dub turned a tasteless movie into an outright comedy.
The day I watch Eva dubbed, the day I stop watching Eva.
I watched the trailer and that was fucking hilarious.
>As if anyone gives a damn what Japanese mainstream thinks.
For all intents on purposes, since it's a japanese show, it's the most important thing that shapes it. The guy who wrote Rebuild is japanese.
it was always that bad.
Watch 3.0 dub at least. The dub team had a lot of fun making it, and they succeeded in turning a bad movie into a hilarious one.
Operative word is "mainstream".
That wasn't what I said or meant even.
The character itself lacks any form of sufficient background, plight or motivation, as well as amount of interaction to make for a character with depth.
The point is that people like it still.
You're about to be called an asukafag, just forget it.