Is L-Elf the Lelouch of our generation?
Our generation has the worst everything.
Are you less than 5 years old?
Not fabulous enough.
It's just a joke, Anom.
You are a joke.
He needed a better cast.
Blitzendegen roughly translates to "Lighting Sword"
just thought I'd share
The cast was fine, except maybe Haruto. What he needed was better writing and someone to keep Okouchi from going bonkers.
That's what your mom said.
It means 'lighting finish' in Luxembourgish or a grammatically incorrect 'lighting epee' in German.
No, just no. Stop comparing glorious Lelouch to this guy. Lelouch had limitations, this one has none.
No seriously, Okouchi shouldn't have made this character if he really wanted a show about kids growing up. Everybody in Jior relied on him too much, and when he wasn't there to check on them everything went to shit, and what's with that ending? L-Elf has a plan, L-Elf exposes the truth of the magius, L-Elf defeats Cain, L-Elf becomes a king, L-Elf governs the kamitsuki and possibly the world. Where's Haruto in all of this? Where the OTHER MAIN CHARACTER IN ALL OF THIS?
In fact no, the show would have been fine if he was there but wasn't so OP. No more >hey guys l-elf has a plan. The students would find that a powerful weapon as the valvrave isn't enough to build their country and without the supersoldier they learn to count on themselves. No more club activities, they don't have time for that anymore, everyone must put his hand at building the country they created, they would be more concious of the situation they're in, and they wouldn't do the stupid error of letting armed arus soldiers in.
Make L-Elf a slightly above average soldier, make Lieseotte appear sooner bits by bits from S1, kill her or keep her, whatever, explore Haruto's backstory, the guy had like half an episode full of QUALITY when he met his father, and the writers forgot completely about him after that. Explore the reason he tried to escape in the past, what makes Haruto stands out as a character. Remove uninteresting characters aka THUNDER who was forgotten from the beginning and didn't even develop. Finally remove that crappy love triangle, make it mutiple OTPs or don't put romance at all, because you suck at this Okouchi.
Look at this fag and laugh.
>Finally remove that crappy love triangle, make it mutiple OTPs or don't put romance at all, because you suck at this Okouchi.
This is like the worst idea ever.
L-Elf was fine. The reliance on him was extremely realistic because Okouchi DID NOT SAY or think they'll do it without him. Likewise, L-Elf relied on the Valvrave, not on a specific pilot but the Valvrave. This is what Okouchi said it took for the country to move: L-Elf and the VVVs.
I do agree on removing unnecessary characters and cut down the fucking triangle. Stop focusing on fucking Iori drama when it accounts to zero. Keep Lieselotte/L-Elf pairings and explore it WITH Shoko/Haruto and keep Shoko and L-Elf humans. Or, if Lieselotte dies, fuck I know have Pino/L-Elf.
I don't know what to do with Haruto. His character is like a drag.
With Haruto I think it would have helped to have brought up his father and his involvement in things a lot earlier and for Haruto to have learned everything a lot earlier. More info on his childhood and some more depth to his character, some quirks or even hobbies would have helped. For the MC he was neglected most of the show, L-Elf ended up getting most of the typical MC attributes.
>Make L-Elf a slightly above average soldier, make Lieseotte appear sooner bits by bits from S1, kill her or keep her, whatever, explore Haruto's backstory, the guy had like half an episode full of QUALITY when he met his father, and the writers forgot completely about him after that. Explore the reason he tried to escape in the past, what makes Haruto stands out as a character. Remove uninteresting characters aka THUNDER who was forgotten from the beginning and didn't even develop. Finally remove that crappy love triangle, make it mutiple OTPs or don't put romance at all, because you suck at this Okouchi.
Thank God you don't write anime.
That's a good idea, the major issue with him was they spent his 'characterization moments' when he wasn't around L-Elf about the toxic love triangle drama. Axing that shit and make a real effort to give him flashbacks and a backstory would be better.
>I don't know what to do with Haruto.
All he needed was a personality and some more competence. Give him a bit of Thunder's spirit and guts. Let him have real opinions and be able to think things through without someone holding his hand all the way. The battle they faced was hard enough even without his constant faggotry.
If they hadn't gone with the rape crap and instead had revealed to him what his father's involvement with the project was and that he was designed like this by him then they could have covered the whole "I'm a monster" crap without all of the other drama. He already thought it was a curse and he was a monster without what happened in episode 10, in the end none of it went anywhere.
The problem was: L-Elf failed different times and was a kid like them too, but the staff and writing of the anime was biased as fuck and these points of his character were never highlighted properly. When L-Elf failed or did something wrong, the anime never put him under a bad light, unlike Haruto or Shoko.
Wait, did people actually take Valvrave seriously?
People didn't drop it after the first couple of episodes when it made itself clear that it was absolute derivative shit that carries itself on tired tropes?
Are you people the same people that watched Guilty Crown?
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you all masochists?
I always felt like the rape and triangle shit was retarded.
Saki only started liking him because he was became a hero, (which makes her shallow and a slut) and Shoko, while she was alright in the beginning, turned into a bitch that betrayed Haruto.
Personally I could have done without either of those bitches and just stuck with the friendship building and politics of the show.
Vocal minority of idiots.
Yes, it's the same people who scream "next Code Geass, next Code Geass" every time we get a new shitty mecha anime with bishies.
But Code Geass was a shitty mecha anime too.
I don't think many of that type actually watched the show.
the lelouch of anime maybe but not of our generation
L-Elf is superior to Lelouch but faggots won't admit it because
>muh watching Code Geass with /a/ changed my life.
Valvrave was fucking academy award material compared to Guilty Crown. Of course, if you dropped it, you wouldn't know, so get the fuck out.
I was able to chuckle my way through Valvrave, Guilty Crown I just plain hated.
The anime didn't need to put him in a bad light, he suffered and lost Lieselotte. He got his ass beaten by Cain. There was no trying to make Shoko ohsopoor victim and noble leader which they tried to do. They were brutal about his failings and he admitted them.
That was why he worked as character while Shoko sucked.
not fabulous enough
He's stylish though.
L-Elf is his very own class of character: autistic love warrior
So, where's your argument?
I agree that making it mutiple OTPs may be a drag and may attract more shippingfaggotry, but I don't see where's the problem if they did remove the romance entirely because it was painfully useless.
Then why make Haruto into a main character too? All he had was his kindness and "sharing in half".
And I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what Okouchi said here, without misha, the students wouldn't make it at first, but they'll find that making a country isn't as simple as that and start to take this matter seriously, working with what they have (they already have a former soldier), they'll rely more on themselves i.e: Haruto will be more competent, Kibukawa will be more competent, the pilots will be more competent, and we'll see some bonding time with the pilots, and we'll even learn more of the VVV project, Pino and Prue's if they bothered to ask her about these things. All in all, Jior would suffer from great losses, but the students will persevere, and GROW UP, build and protect their country instead of trusting everything to the supersoldier.
tl;dr Okouchi took the easiest route with L-Elf.
>The anime didn't need to put him in a bad light
Yes, it needed, when Haruto questioned his methods after he killed Marie, the subject was dropped as fast as they could, and there he acted in the wrong way. Same could be said for every time he used the students.
Fact is the anime never tried to say explicitly "L-Elf is/was wrong", when it was the time to say it.
I liked that he was the type that thought revenge was stupid and pointless and kept that viewpoint even after Lieselotte died. Instead of wanting to go on a war path and go after Cain he lost the will to live.
Lelouch is a much better character, even though Eruerufu's power level is probably higher.
true, but lulu had the odd ability to make people around him fabulous just by being there.
They did build up their own country, it's just that they were incredibly ignorant on what it took to do so and had to rely on ARUS greatly. L-Elf handled the military aspects and left everything else to the kids, they were up against Cain of all people so I wouldn't expect the kids to fare very well.
They are kids out of their deep. They wouldn't have survived, they would have been wiped out. Which nearly happened in early season 1 when the enemy actually tried.
Okouchi made a good call. A bunch of dumb kids without military training or guidance of a super soldier can't take on armies specially not fellow super soldiers. That's why They could NEVER kill a single Hitler Youth. Not even a loli/shota. They took out among themselves.
Cain mocks him in episode 12 for following his instructions and L-Elf does it himself when he analyzes Lieselotte's situation. You're pretty fucking retarded. The difference was it was well written.
People hated Shoko because the ANIME wanted to make her a victim of her own bad choices and got rewarded for doing NOTHING.
>guidance of a super soldier
I would like to remember that Earth mission failed almost under every aspect and they lost more or less 3/4 of the students eve with the "guidance of a super soldier".
>People hated Shoko because the ANIME wanted to make her a victim of her own bad choices and got rewarded for doing NOTHING.
That reminds me, is Shoko just as shitty in the manga as she is in the anime?
>You're pretty fucking retarded.
Oh, look, the mad L-Elffag. Nice to see you again here. You should calm down a bit, you know, that rage is not healthy for your heart.
SO when does Dubby Buddy air again?
When up against Cain he is destined to fail, he wasn't even guiding them when the school was slaughtered at the end of the series.
The guy you're replying sounds like the one who keeps saying they could build an empire without L-Elf.
Lelouch was the MC and had the double episodes to develop.
But... they succeeded their mission until they returned to the moon.
Well, Lelouch was intended as a character with character development too. L-Elf almost completely lacked of character development.
>the ANIME wanted to make her a victim of her own bad choices
It did? I didn't see her as a victim at all.
Is Tokishima Haruto the Kamille Bidan of our generation?
Remember Kibukawa said she was right and Haruto was understanding and even L-Elf whitewashed her and put the blame on Haruto.
In 40 minutes I think.
Not him but aren't you the Sakifag trying to start wars in threads? You two should get a room.
>aren't you the Sakifag trying to start wars in threads?
Blitz und degen.
Lighting and Sword sounds better.
Marie was unimportant filler who wasn't part of the Earth mission. She got aboard because Shoko whined.
Lieselotte wasn't part of the mission either.
The objective of the mission was a show of strength to gather resources of Jior and find out shit about the Valvrave. Which was successful. All thanks to ALL the contacts and plans L-Elf made before he bailed out to go for Lieselotte.
There was a celebration for being successful.
The actual flaw in what happened is losing Saki which was accounted on her. L-Elf gave her many chances to use. She should have at least close the fucking door when she's jacking someone. This was the only major issue. Which was aggravated because they LOST L-Elf too until episode 22.
Kibukawa said she did the right thing but he didn't side with her and went along with Haruto.
Haruto was understanding because he loves her.
L-Elf didn't whitewash anything and he was blaming Haruto because Haruto played the blame shift game.
Sounds like you're projecting. Look I don't like Shoko but I don't see them victimizing her.
I don't know about that but he's certainly the lewdest of this generation.
>There was a celebration for being successful.
Satomi even took the credit for L-Elf's planning on tv.
>She got aboard because Shoko whined.
She didn't, she was there because she wanted to know more of her amnesia. That was one of the goals.
>Lieselotte wasn't part of the mission either.
She was part of L-Elf plans for 10 years and he changed the plans to save her. And failed.
>Which was successful.
How is that successful if they lose 1 pilot + strategist? They came back with less strength than before, the success is only on the surface, and it is not even a success because the enemy knew they were less powerful having captured Saki and damaged a Valvrave.
>She got aboard because Shoko whined
>which was accounted on her
Allright now you're being silly. Saki was the one who warned L-Elf about the Cherries and got caught in the whole explosion. If you REALLY want to account characters for that then blame L-Elf because he didn't predict Audrey would be there instead of being on the moon like he's supposed to and would blow them up and get Saki caught in it.
In short it's time to stop.
Also in side stories she did close the door and Audrey opened it. She or any other kamitsuki never had a chance against L-Elf so of course she never had a chance against Audrey once her cover was blown.
I'm just going to post this every VVV thread now.
>She didn't, she was there because she wanted to know more of her amnesia. That was one of the goals.
And mission accomplished. She found out.
>She was part of L-Elf plans for 10 years and he changed the plans to save her. And failed.
Yes but it was not part of the recon mission. It was hastily pulled at the heat of the moment when L-Elf heard she was helping the royalists.
It was successful because the goals of the mission were accomplished and met. Or do you know exactly what the word "mission" implies, huh?
>I would like to remember that Earth mission failed almost under every aspect
This is what I call BULL.SHIT.
I'm sorry L-Elf makes your favorite character look like absolute shit. But it's VVV, they are shit when you compare them to L-Elf.
I don't see any Shokofag complaining about bad writing though.
You make L-elf fags look bad.
>Saki was the one who warned L-Elf
Stopped reading there. It was Cain who sent them there in the first place.
Saki's own fault for not securing the door or knocking A-drei if she didn't want to kill him. A-drei told her she could have killed him. L-Elf left her all ready even with a plan B, she failed to actually escape.
He opened the door automatically like it was unlocked.
By speaking the truth?
>And mission accomplished. She found out.
I don't think her goal was to die soon after.
>Yes but it was not part of the recon mission.
She was the reason L-Elf had to plan the mission, since the country was for her. Losing Lieselotte is losing the reason you planned the mission for and it is failing. Even if she was part of a greater plan and not of that single mission, she was still the only reason L-Elf had to plan something, he wasn't certainly working because he cared of Haruto.
>I'm sorry L-Elf makes your favorite character look like absolute shit.
At all, I'm sorry. Less projecting next time.
>they are shit when you compare them to L-Elf.
At all x2.
>>Saki was the one who warned L-Elf
>Stopped reading there
So you didn't watch the episode? Ok.
>Someone doesn't like the character I like
>he must be an x fag!
>They wouldn't have survived
The writer can change that, making them, barely escaping with damages, which will get them thinking seriously into the matter of building their country. They would actually bother to do something instead of relying on ARUS, or at the very least question whether was Moses' "betrayal" an isolated act or not.
Okouchi doesn't need to remove L-Elf, he just need to nerf him. Him saving the day at the end was ridiculous (plan, magius exposition, defeating Cain, building the empire), Haruto was nothing, Saki was nothing, shoko was shit. Thunder was shit. Inuzuka died for nothing, Iori went nuts all of sudden for nothing, satomi was nothing.
I don't know who's that anon you're talking about, but Haruto can do it, much later than L-Elf of course but he's immortal, so he has time.
>Stopped reading there.
Did you even watch the anime?
> knocking A-drei
>implying she could
> A-drei told her she could have killed him
>implying it was the right thing to do
Another thread derailed with great success thanks to the mad Sakifag.
>I don't think her goal was to die soon after.
Who cares. She accomplished her goal and was an acceptable casualty, because thanks to her they could learn what would happen. Really good.
>She was the reason L-Elf had to plan the mission
No, she wasn't. He planned the mission because Haruto wanted to find out more of the Valvrave and Shoko is a fucking failure who gets condescended by her politic moves. It doesn't matter what L-Elf's personal goal was, you brought up "HUURRR EARTH MISSION WAS A FAILURE IN ALL ASPECTS" by ignoring the real goal of the mission which were met with flying colors.
Look over here mate, if you have shit enough taste to like Shoko out of ALL the VVV girls, then you probably enjoyed the shitty writing. I mean, I could be wrong, but I want Shokofags to seriously tell me what they see in Shoko other than cute eyes and an erotic body, because I see nothing. Being clumsy and stuff is cute and all and you feel for her a little with all the SUFFERING, but hell, I cannot consider her the /best/ girl.
A-drei TELLS her she could have killed him in K-Wolf body. It's her fault for getting captured. Didn't she learn from A-drei that a soldier's duty is to return home no matter what?
Your posts are so obvious you don't have to hate on my favorite character to blow your cover.
>Haruto can do it
Is that Mr. I never fulfill my promises? He's the most unreliable guy. He'll probably accidentally run himself out runes asleep.
>No, she wasn't.
Yeah, because it was not like L-Elf worked his ass off for years for her and that mission would have helped New-JIOR to protect her, he was surely working for Haruto.
>It doesn't matter what L-Elf's personal goal was
Just because he failed? That is being biased, he even said the purpose was to show they had the strength, what is the point of the mission if they lose part of said strength?
...I never speak of L-Elf's personal goal, you retard. I was speaking about the objectives of the Earth mission goals which THANKS TO L-ELF were successful. Unless you're a drooling idiot who can't tell the difference between the two, shut the fuck up.
I'm having another spasm...
L-elf... I don't think I can...
Get a hold of yourself, Tokishima
Use my body--
Stop saying things that people might misunderstand!
That spasm is just hunger!
Here, eat this!
A-drei, I want some snack too.
I'll give you one later!
And L-Elf had no problem fighting K-Zwolf. The outcome against A-Drei wouldn't have been different, but Saki would have: 1) gone against her moral 2) killed someone who was not part of the bad guys and she knew it 3) blew up her cover.
My favorite VVV girls are Saki, Akira, Kriem, Takahi and Liz. You're quoting the wrong guy, mate.
The problem is that L-Elf was surrounded by incompetent teenagers with ridiculous drama issues during most of the show. Look how easy and relaxed he is when he's actually with his buddies.
>It's her fault for getting captured
We heard you the first time.
A-drei called out her decision was the wrong one. Stop arguing this, HE brought it up because he wouldn't have harmed the kid and wouldn't have expected it.
A-drei isn't L-Elf. He's a softie.
You're that guy.
Difference is that A-Drei let his guard down around K-Zwolf. Regardless Saki wasn't going to do anything against him since she considered him to be a nice guy and that he had saved her life.
>I never speak of L-Elf's personal goal
And you are ignoring the reasons why he planned the mission just because he failed.
L-Elf worked with the students because he needed the country for Lieselotte, that doesn't mean he was working on the Earth mission for Haruto, just like Marie had other reasons to go with them.
You could tell it had been a good while since he had been around people who knew what they were doing, he seemed quite relieved when he didn't have to explain everything.
That's pretty lewd.
>A-drei called out her decision was the wrong one.
When? He asked why she didn't try to kill him, he didn't say she make the wrong choice.
And I doubt he wouldn't act on self-defense, softie or not. The fact he said the first duty of a soldier is to come back alive strongly implies he would have done something and not just stand there waiting for K-Zwolf to finish him off.
Updated list of known shitposters you should ignore:
MJPfag who recently tries to pass as a BFag
Mad avatar Sakifag who hates L-Elf and thinks they can build an empire alone
Angry L-Elfag who calls everyone a retard
>Mad avatar Sakifag who hates L-Elf and thinks they can build an empire alone
>thinks they can build an empire alone
That is not me, anon. But thanks for proving another time you are really bad at spotting people.
Your damage control won't work this time.
What cover are you talking? and why are you afraid of criticism?
IF L-Elf wasn't as OP, Haruto would have developped into a guy that could be trusted, instead of "L-Elf has a plan".
Haruto had potential, remember when he thought that shoko died and decided to eliminate all dorssian? the calm and kind student who always preferred to share everything instead of competing decided to beat the shit out of those. In S2 too, when they returned to Jior, he had his mind full of liese's words, he couldn't let the magius matter leave his mind. He has his moments, in fact everyone had their moments, even Satomi, but that's never addressed after because the staff is too focused on you know who.
You're an idiot who takes criticism for shitposting. the one you replied to isn't me.
Where did all these shitposters come from?
Even captcha agrees.
why is Akira so gay
>Light Novel (DHM)
Ch1-4/Vol1 raw >>92523715
Ch1 Summary >>93077966 >>88985424
Ch3 Summary >>91538197
Ch4(?) Summary >>92797216 >>92069169
Intro Raw + Summary >>92688372 >>92691433
Ch1 Raw + Summary >>94180388 >>94157498 >>94167297 ; TL (incomplete) >>98250793
Ch2 Raw + Summary >>95736908 >>95753419
>Drama CD (BD + DVD extra)
CD1 Rip >>88125138 >>88125615
CD1 Summary - Dorssia student play >>88130132 >>88130507 >>92051791
CD1 Summary - Cooking time + Thunder and Inuzuka >>88132169
CD1 TL - Haruto's monologue about Shoko >>88133238
CD1 TL - Shower scene >>88812388
CD1 TL - A-drei and L-elf >>88739113
CD2 Rip >>92047692
CD2 Summary >>92051147
CD3 Rip >>95793193
CD3 Summary - Satomi, Inuzuka and L-elf >>95793482 >>95801208
CD3 Summary - L-elf and Nanami >>95793751
CD3 Summary - Satomi tidbits >>95794790
CD4 Rip >>99108053
CD4 Summary - >>99113045 + >>99113090 ; >>99115808 + >>99115888 + >>99115985 + >>99116168
Photo raw >>94431841
Ch4 Photo Raw+TL >>94432988
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Ch11 Raw+TL >>95572340
Ch12 Raw+TL >>95575474
Ch13 Raw+TL >>95865068
Ch14 Raw+TL >>95865472
Ch15 Photo Raw+TL >>94435111
Ch16 Raw+TL >>95625456 >>95629685
>BD + DVD booklet TLs
― Interviews ―
Vol1 - Osaka Ryota >>96177852 - Matsuo Kou >>95271634
Vol2 - Kimura Ryohei >>93935645 - Ookouchi Ichirou >>94422840
Vol3 - Tomatsu Haruka >>94465510 - Takayama Kiyohiko >>95267931
Vol4 - Ono Yuki >>96178748 - Suzuki Tatsuya >>96218959
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― Other ―
Vol2 - Hoshino sketches >>93936667 >>93936950
>BD + DVD audio commentary
S2 Vol1 >>100467657
>Special Edition Edited (Recap - raw)
>>BD + DVD audio commentary
The folder on mega has every episode, there is no need to link the previous post with 10 episodes.
This is adorable. I wish their relationship could've grown better in S2.
Noted. Anything else to add? Like about the LN Volume 2 or Undertaker?
The manga edition seems to be lacking only >>100483415 but that could be updated when the typeset for the latest chapter of the Saki manga has been posted.
>Like about the LN Volume 2 or Undertaker?
We got photos of LN Volume 2 >>100348015 but nothing for Undertaker AFAIK.
No Chapter 3 yet, right? I think I've read in a VVV thread before about Undertaker being in hiatus.
>I think I've read in a VVV thread before about Undertaker being in hiatus.
The mecha designer is still working on it, it tweeted about it few days ago.
When I was banging yours, yeah.
She was fun in S1. She took initiative when no one else would, tried her best to help everyone even if it meant making a fool of herself, and took action when her friends were in danger even if it meant putting her own life at risk.
Of course she fell apart in S2 which was disappointing (though understandable given her situation), but nothing to hate her over.