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guise I would like to ask what mangas could be easy enough for a somewhat beginner with understanding of 1000 or so kanji, and basic understanding of grammar? I want to learn the fun way; I know many have furigana; any kodomo mangas you've found useful?
Check the reading list
Nigga just read any shonen manga.
I have a question for you fellow non-native english speakers. How do you approach learning japanese with most of the good available learning material being in english and not in your native language?
Even though I have very good english it creates this certain extra difficulty barrier when learning japanese. Learning grammar isn't really a problem at all but vocabulary is much more difficult for me to retain when the translations are in english. I know the meaning but in my mind I always think and translate it to my native language. The discrepancy of english answer in for example anki and native translation in my head makes words difficult to remember when doing reps.
Noticing this I started to translate Core10k deck which I'm using to my native language and it makes the remembering much easier. Same for kanji meanings, keywords and mnemonics. Some I have in english because for some kunyomi english suits better than my native language (finnish btw).
So my learning process and anki decks are a mismatch of english and finnish translations and it seems to work for me. How about you guys? Any tips and tricks learning japanese as a non-native english speaker?
I have everything in English and it usually doesn't cause trouble except for a few words like 賦課 where I haven't even heard the English translation before.
For some synonym-heavy words, like everything that simply translates into "first" in English, I put some annotations in my language to make the difference clearer.
I haven't really thought about it. I seem to translate to either English or native interchangeably.
Sometimes one or the other will just have a better word or concept that represents what I'm reading and that'll stick better.
It's not like I'm going to punish myself in Anki if I don't hit the exact same word that they use for something.
My native language is not English but my English is native level so I haven't experienced any difficulties.
My English comprehension was good enough when I started that I've never really thought twice about using it as a base to learn Japanese. It helps that the material available in my language (Swedish) is terribly limited compared to what's available in English, too.
So yeah, I'm not really able to help you there. "Do whatever seems to work" is about the best I can offer.
I don't really consider that much of a problem, If I don't know the English word but I think it's useful then I learn it.
I associate words with meaning, usage, with other words via translation, contrast, nuance, colocation , cognates, look-alikes, sound-alikes, theme etc
Problem is this is limited to recognition via heisig's method, I can more or less what the subject is, but hardly manage to translate shit, cause my grammar is still limited.
have you read genki 1 and 2 or Tae Kim?
I? on it.
Learning japanese with english as a learning tool will improve your vocabulary quitr well.
That's not a problem if you're fluent in English. At least not for me. All my language learning materials are in English and I've had no issues.
Have you guys tried wanikani?
I've only started on the radicals but I don't know if it's good enough to pay for after level 2.
>Have you guys tried wanikani?
It's garbage, don't waste your money.
can you be more specific?
also please prove you've used it.
>can you be more specific?
It does not let you set your review speed, or times, or number of reps. It forces you to use a predefined slow as fuck pace for learning. It forces you to pay. You're paying for a less customizable Anki. There's no reason to do this.
I'm sure any country have their own resource of learning Japanese. But if you insist on doing it in english try searching thesaurus
Im on level where i can understand japanese dictionary so, maybe someday you will too. Just work hard until that day. And besides you will not encounter hard english on basic japanese I think?
thanks, I did feel that the pacing was slow but I thought it was just me.
anyone got Genki 2 (anon edit). Only first one is on pastebin.
Should I bother learning Japanese if the only purpose for it is to watch animu on livestream threads? I previously took Japanese lessons for one year and reached basic level.
If you are not even sure whether you want to learn Japanese or not, don't bother starting, you'll fail.
If you like learning it as much as you want to use it, sure whatever. Otherwise you won't have enough drive to do it. As your skill grows, you find new things to do with it and it opens up new avenues of interest, but you have to enjoy learning it above everything else.
You're seriously overestimating what you know with only 1 year of classes. Most people here finish genki 1-2 in half that time just because no one tells them not to.
I gave up at the end of the first year because the lessons were so gruelling. I hadn't started watching any japanese media seriously at the time. Thanks for the advice, I won't waste my time on it then.
>Most people here finish genki 1-2 in half that time just because no one tells them not to.
What is the point of taking classes if the teachers intentionally hold you back?
What's the best order for kanji learning in a non-Heisig way?
JLPT, 教育 or any other orders?
It's most likely the students holding each other back.
I'd say it depends on your goal
Japanese lessons = Crabs in a bucket?
Finished KD a few weeks ago and it worked fine for me. I don't think it matters much though, just stick with something.
I'm thinking of the ones I'll see more often.
吾 vs 俺
which one do i use?
Life is crabs in a bucket.
The only way to win is to destroy all competition.
吾輩 as in 吾輩は猫である
Why even ask something this stupid?
Follow your Japanese spirit. Use whatever one your heart tells you to use.
sorry, I just started, and one of the first kanji in the deck is that
It said that was おれ but I knew that it was something else too
Would the kanji decomposition method work on little gaijin kids or do they have to do it the old-fashioned way?
Why would anybody have to do it the old fashion way?
Because children under 10 don't have abstract thought. Has to do with Piaget or some other frenchfag who did experiments on children.
What is the difference between あなた and 貴方? Any reason for it being written in hiragana, even though there's a kanji equivalent?
Japan and Chinkland made their kids do it
Evolution of language. Many words are starting to get written in kana, even though they have kanji for them.
why not just go to 2ch or something if you fags want to do this?
But I don't mean by that that you shouldn't know the kanji for those words anyway. There are still many people who will write them in kanji, sometimes on purpose, and you wouldn't be able to read shit.
How is "this is made of this, and this" abstract? They probably realize that anyways, I'm sure they do, it'd be impossible not to, but they don't utilize that and just learn in order of usefulness. I think any kid could do it though the other way, it's just that in order to get the useful stuff quickly enough in school, they'd have to teach a lot instead of ingraining the knowledge over years and in the end may be worse than how they have it now.
But yes, I think any kid could learn that way.
Do what? Speak in Japanese?
it's for the sake of future translations
why don't you just go to reddit or gaia if all you want to do is talk about anime in english
It's actually very abstract and under 8, a kid can't even recognize that there's the same amount of water in a tall skinny glass that got poured from a short fat one.
Not to say that they don't use mnemonics, but it's like people who don't do RtK, but naturally do the method. They are an exception and it's not taught that way.
But the real issue is the one that heisig accounted for. We are adults and we know big complex words that happen to be components of very complex kanji used for simple words.
Are you too much of a pussy to do this with Japanese people? Writing here with your awkward Japanese isn't helping anyone.
2chan blocks foreign IPs from posting. But you'd know this if you weren't a newshit.
>I have never heard of a VPN
Let's not kid each other, you're not good enough to tell whether it's awkward or not.
Unlike you, I don't want to invade their board and shitpost on there with my poor Japanese because I'm not a faggot and care about the community's rules.
Anything can be taught to a child. You just have to yell at them and hit them until they learn it.
It's the Asian way~
Why do you think that Asian kids as young as 4 are playing masterpieces on the pianos with their eyes closed while western children are still rolling around in the mud and shitting themselves?
I'll believe you when you point out exactly what makes it awkward.
Just like all of the ESLs who don't post here because of that... Oh wait, this thread alone is full of them.
Exactly, if all the faggots with poor English skills would stop posting on /a/, it would be a better board. But I can't stop them from doing that. What I can do is stop myself, however.
>implying you actually give a fuck and aren't just too afraid of being outed as a gaijin
I have to wonder what volume two will cover if this is all that's in the first one.
>Just like all of the ESLs who don't post here because of that... Oh wait, this thread alone is full of them.
They're not ESL, they're just Australian.
Does anyone know of anymore amusing dictionaries like this that are worth following? Or really anything on twitter that isn't pixiv artists talking about raids and オフ会.
>better than any master
video once again uploaded by someone who does not know what they're talking about.
do you guys write your kanji a lot until it sticks in?
How many new cards a day do you guys recommend for vocab?
I frankly don't care about being able to recall kanji. I'm happy as long as I can recognize it.
20-30 is pretty good
How do I learn classical Japanese without eating the brain of a Japanese or calling upon my glorious Nippon ancestors?
Read annotated classical texts.
Is 200 new kanji a day a doable amount?
I've been doing 100, but it's taking too long. I want to get all of these new cards out of the way so I only have to worry about kanji reviews and I can focus my attention on vocab.
I went to a library and found a english-japanese dictionary. It was mostly composed of example sentences. Do they try to teach you the particles first?
You really won't be seeing any effect unless you do 500 a day, at least.
Step on it.
Before you started learning English, how long did you spend learning all the different ways the letter "o" can be pronounced and which contexts go with which sounds?
Now multiply that amount of time by 20,000, and study kanji for that long before learning any words.
Oh, I'm not bothering with readings. I'm just learning the meanings since I remember the readings easier when doing vocab.
I have trouble remembering the appearance of kanji when doing vocab, it all blurs together in my mind, so I needed to slow down on my vocab deck and focus on individual kanji. It's definitely working since it's much easier for me to remember vocab now, but at a pace of 100 a day it's going to take me another week and a half to finish this before I can get back to vocab.
That's too long and this so boring and easy.
You seem to forget that you'll be doing 500+ reviews a day for the next couple of months this way. It doesn't count until those cards are long since matured.
I'm too new to tell whether you're rusing me or not.
That's fine with me. Only takes a little over 15 minutes to knock out the 200-some reviews that I currently have. The 100 new cards part takes a bit longer because I have to think of mnemonics for each one so that I can retain them, but the review part takes up a fraction of the study time.
If you're doing 100 new cards a day then no, he's not.
Has anyone actually done more than 100 cards per day and accomplished anything on a longer time scale, like learning all the jouyou kanji or whatever? Seems to me like a lot of people are saying they're going to do an insane amount of cards per day but nobody has ever reported success or failure
What are you going for? Just pure recognition?
because they're all failures
So I'm trying to identify this kanji, the top right part is like キ or 土, under that it is connected to マ and on the left side the person radical you see in 住 I've tried using the radical search on denshi jisho but it doesn't find it so I must have a wrong radical anyone able to help.
try drawing it in google translate
Yeah, that's the only thing I care about for this kanji deck. If I can look at the kanji and remember the keyword then I pass it onto reviews. Not paying attention to the readings because I want to get through this as quickly as possible and go back to vocab, since I actually enjoyed learning that and it was a fun challenge.
I just want to improve my recognition of kanji so that I can continue my vocab deck without mixing up similar looking kanji whenever I see any jukugo.
I know nothing of stroke order so it wasn't able to ID it. Here's the drawing anyway.
Any metric for language learning is subjective as all hell and useless to judge anything by. Just look at what classes consider acceptable. Jouyou is just as arbitrary and a terrible measure of actual vocabulary.
This is purely anecdotal, but after doing some of KD I nearly doubled my daily vocab. But in that time I also got more used to the language and using anki correctly.
I seriously wish i didn't stop taking Jap lessons 2 years ago.
Fuck my head is a mess, i forgot everything. I should create an Anki deck with the kanjis i'm supposed to know.
Big deal, start over from scratch. Classes are a waste of money.
So, what do you guys think, if anything, about memrise.com? I've started a course on there and figured it'd be a good way to get started learning some beginner stuff, (if nothing else it's a free resource and it seems to be working for me) but not sure if I'd stick with it much after that..
While I'm asking questions, why do we call Japan Japan when the people who fucking live there call it Nippon? This has been bothering me for a while now.
They're not, since they actually made me study cause i didn't want to waste the money.
Fuck my laziness.
Back from scratch uh? Let's see the premade decks then.
The human mind's ability to memorize things is near limitless when trained properly, so a trained mind could easily memorize far more than that.
>The 2006 World Memory Champion, Clemens Mayer from Germany, used a 300-point-long journey through his house for his world record in "number half marathon", memorising 1040 random digits in a half hour. Gary Shang has used the method of loci to memorise pi to over 65,536 digits.
>Using this technique a person with ordinary memorisation capabilities, after establishing the route stop-points and committing the associated images to long-term memory, with less than an hour of practice, can remember the sequence of a shuffled deck of cards. The world record for this is held by Simon Reinhard at 21.19 seconds.
傳 > 传
it could be 佐
That is Chinese. 传 = 傅
Thanks for that, not sure what the person was trying to say but they fucked up.
I wonder how is the mind structured when using the method of loci for kanji learning
It's probably the same reason why we say Germany instead of Deutschland.
>can't study unless money is on the line.
It's great until you want to use anki and lose all your progress. Not to mention most of the decks are terrible compared to the effort put in by ankiphiles. Because of memrise, I have all these words I mysteriously know and regularly forget.
Japan is japan because it's either the Portuguese or dutch pronunciation of some chinese word.
>"Learning stroke order is useless"
Same way, just without the routes since there's no need to remember kanji in an arranged sequence. Just associating kanji with images inside of your memory palace.
I know i can't, but i will anyway.
All this motivation will disappear in 1 day, but let's try anyway.
When I first tried using CorewhateverK I was doing 200+ new cards a day, but I already knew a ton of Japanese and had just let it get rusty, so I was dumping probably 3/4 of the cards into easiest category and never had to see them again
But then I realized Core a shit for someone like me and I just started making my own decks off of mining from what I read. I don't remember exactly how many cards I was doing before I just said fuck it and realized that I was reading enough that I didn't even need to use Anki anymore, but it was probably only 20 or so new words a day, or less if I wasn't running into anything I didn't already know in what I was reading.
>All this motivation will disappear in 1 day
Marco Polo during his travel was in China and he heard about Japan there. He has written the name he had heard from Chinese as "Zipangu" in his Travels.
I should replace the password of my PC with an Anki session.
draw some random scribble
One of the reason why study stroke. i graduated Chinese high school that's why im pretty confident with my stroke order.
Though right now my japanese is much much better. That's why i don't recommend studying on school.
What happens when pilots fall asleep?
Is it important to memorize the names of all these?
It seems like the plane takes over for the sleeping pilots.
>A packed commercial airplane heading to the United Kingdom was left on auto-pilot when both pilots fell asleep, according to British news reports.
Allow me to tell you you are stupid and bat at Japanese
However, I will never be able to make any specific criticism which demonstrates that I know anything myself
I am smarter than you though, really
Do you feel bad now?
Except the land where Deutschland is now was always called Germany in the past.
I'd feel worse if the person telling me this knew how to double check for obvious spelling and punctuation errors.
It really shows you didn't learn chinese by particles
I hope that you are polishing your proper nihongo pronunciation
Why are Japanese people so terrible at English?
someone share that japanball pic
Same reason Englishers aren't very good at Japanese
Nips are so cute.
Who the fuck is this Toshi?
Only if you want to talk about kanji in Japanese.
And who wouldn't want to do that, am I right?
If you were a Geisha you'd know.
Okay, now this is pretty funny
so why did the chicken cross the road?
because it was afraid of the 試験
Shall we? It would do some good if people did fancy joined-up writing like adults.
Oh god Japan pls
What is kingdom hearts 3: return of the 時代
The cards gather, and now my reps begins. It shall not end until my death.
I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall remain unemployed and earn no currency. I shall live and die doing my reps. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards Japan. I pledge my life and honor to Anki, for this night and all the nights to come.
i can't read 妻 without thinking about ara ara and sex
I think about this every time someone says 頑張って because someone had to post it here and it was like the first thing I was able to read.
>This card was a leech
>a fifth of my kanji cards
Make better mnemonics and try again.
All those strokes looks the same to me. Jap ain't for me.
>Not disabling leech
>all these polynots
I've been learning for like five seconds and it's really not that bad. Seeing them in tiny ass computer font is still confusing though.
you can do that?
I set it so that cards are marked as leech but aren't removed from the deck.
>no one speaks welsh
>will never talk about the joys of a freshly sheared sheep
>might as well not be a polyglot
>not being an omniglot
>the joys of a freshly sheared sheep
Is that some kind of weird sexual thing?
I have a glotted cheese?
Deck options > Lapses
Change leech action to tag only.
I wouldn't call it weird, in fact, it's pretty common in places where there are more sheep than people. Still, they are filthy animals compared to the glorious radiance that is the backside of a goat.
>Someone asks me how I can recognize all of these "crazy looking asian scribbles"
>Tell them that I think up mnemonics for each one to help me remember them.
>They ask for example of what kind of mnemonics I use
>Suddenly remember that 98% of my mnemonics are based around racial slurs about either jews or black people since it was the easiest way to remember them.
>"W-well... 日looks k-kind of like a sun..."
neat, I don't have to worry about that anymore
These are both bad and you should feel bad
but I thought it was funny.
>I'm ashamed I am a racist.
Why anon, you should be proud of your white pride! tell them the truth they will laugh with you about jews and black people!
>She opened her MOUTH and BOX to her fellow KAIsha employees countless TIMES.
What is the next step after reading ez manga, LNs?
I visualize 交 as a father on his knees with his arms spreading the legs of a black man as he licks below his erect black penis 亠
So 交 reminds me of race mixing and 交 means to mix and mingle.
Reading whatever the fuck you feel like. This step lasts for the rest of your life, so enjoy it.
I can't take this thing seriously. Tagaini master race.
交尾 is immediately what I think of.
>talking to people
>"W-well... 日looks k-kind of like a sun..."
And well, what does 日 look like to you?
You meant to post 曰?
大阪弁 is pretty fucking retarded.
>many other things
>大阪弁 is pretty fucking awesome
Is there any program for Windows or app for Android that is teaching just the useful readings for kanji and also has every sign divided radical by radical?
I think that it is better to learn it as some kind of a "story" behind every sign than learning it as a whole sign, for ex. 猫 is made out of these radicals, which means this, this and this or 地下鉄 means ground-under-iron, so it's something made out of iron under ground.
yep, and I have to listen to that shit all day (gf is from Osaka)
a book sideways lay in the splendor of the sun, a vision of warm oranges of the sun as it shines through the leaves of the trees and bushes, a green field wide and welcoming, a fresh cool breeze that rushes around a young man who lazily lies down as he reads the books to the sounds of nature, in his eyes the distant memories of love lost and war.
A solemn moment that true brings out the Yamato damashii.
Thats what it looks like to me.
Epic, simple epic.
My NSA on-call オフパコ ホモだち is from osaka. Now I need to figure out how to get back over there and drill that ass straight through the heavens.
What came first, the chicken, or the leg?
>tfw you will never fit in when in Japan regardless of how hard you try to become Japanese because you will always look like a gaijin
Want to fit in? Just find a bunch of gaijin hunters and fuck them and then brag to the Japanese people about how many of their women you've fucked.
I don't think you understand the concept of fitting in
All I need is sunglasses and a nigger nose and I can easily pass. Fun times scaring old women on the bus.
I can't tell which one of you two is the bigger weeaboo
All the guys will respect and want to be you while all the girls will want to be with you. Duh.
You don't need to memorize, you learn it naturally.
How long should Tae Kim take me to get through? I'm up to i-adjectives, and I am struggling to get my head around it all so far.
Less than a day
Since that doesn't describe anons even in their own country I think that is probably setting the bar a bit high
Anons were never surrounded by gaijin hunters in their own country.
>you will never be hunted because you will never do anything worth being hunted for
I don't think you understand gaijin hunters
>not just using pheremones to get whatever you want
Is it weird that that image just makes me rage because of the explanation of 男の子?
It's weird that that's the only thing that bothers you.
What else would bother him?
>fragrant allure of a teenage boy's anus
Nevermind. On a related note, the people who draw this stuff are surprisingly young and attractive. I had to stalk twitter for a month, but goddayum even their furfags are adorable.
The colour scheme, presumably.
Tomokodesu you're old and busted
She looks like a bitter オバタリアン who couldn't get the gaijin D.
That actually makes me mad that these young healthy individuals are drawing teenage boy anal smell masturbation device advertisements and not having kids. It wasn't meant to be that way.
dude I would eat out Tomoko's asshole everyday
They're just too cute to be the the man in the relationship. The boy, maybe. The man, never.
Is something wrong with it?
No one is attracted to cute boys. Living your life with the body and face of a small child is the curse of the Asian male.
This is what women are attracted to.
How could you say that?
Facial hair is pretty unpopular in Japan actually.
This makes me wonder how radiantly handsome guro artists are. I've always had this feeling they're angelic and shoot golden light from their dicknipples Someone needs to go to comiket and confirm.
You'll get mistaken for a faggot with facial hair there.
>what women want
Fortunately there's a whole other gender available
Why is that? Is it related to work appearance?
What's the reason for that? Are you telling me a swole viking won't draw the attention of cute nippons?
That's only because they rarely see true facial hair.
Those rat-like baby hairs that Asians are able to grow is less facial hair than a 12 year old white boy has.
Grow a thick beard, wear a cowboy hat, look lean and muscular, and the Japanese girls will be all over your dick.
Well it just makes you look unkempt I guess. Looking intelligent and handsome and well-groomed is valued more, which is why glasses are a lot more fashionable there than in the West.
Women have shit taste, what's new.
Are all DJT either /pol/ or /soc/?
What about one of these bad boys? I don't have a cowboy hat.
/a/ born and raised
it's funny how the whole "3dpd" thing doesn't seem to be valid in this particular thread
At least try to look as good as Crocodile Dundee
The few Japanese women I've talked to seemed to lament that Japanese men are often overly girly, but that is not a large sample size.
Japan hates Australians.
Australians aren't exotic in East Asia, they're more like the annoying next door neighbor. It's best to pretend that you're either British, French, German, or an American cowboy when visiting Japan. Has to be a cowboy though, it's the only attractive stereotype that America has nowadays.
But we let them all in, and block Tasmania and New Zealand from them,
My accent is too overbearing as well, I could never pass off as anything else, I guess this is all in vein.
I think most people who go on 4chan go on multiple boards and have at least one friend.
草食系男子 get pissed on a lot, it's true. A lot of Japanese women want to get married and not have to work, so I suppose it's understandable they would want a stereotypical manly man who can "bring home the bacon."
>The few Japanese women I've talked to seemed to lament that Japanese men are often overly girly
That's also connected to their distaste for Asian facial hair.
Asian men might attempt to look less feminine by growing facial hair, but their genetics usually don't allow them to grow anything more than a very pathetic and child-like amount of facial hair, so it has the opposite effect of what they desired.
Seeing a man with weak facial hair is less masculine than a man with no facial hair at all. It's like the hair equivalent of erectile dysfunction.
Sounds like the equivalent of nigger-lovers. Probably just some sluts.
I go in this thread and have at least one friend.
So you like the Ainu because of the hair all over their bodies?
>My accent is too overbearing as well, I could never pass off as anything else
I doubt they would be able to tell. I used to mistake Australian accents for English accents constantly and English is my native language.
Just wear a denim jacket with either the US flag or the Union Jack on it.
Why would classic American ethnocentrism be viewed in other way other than negatively?
That jacket looks like poser shit a shithead with a small frame would try to wear.
Ainu women look like hideous monsters, but the men definitely look more masculine than Japanese men. Their facial structure is shitty though and they have the noses of jews and the head shape of Mongols.
A beard can do a lot, but it can't work miracles.
I really don't think hair makes a man, no matter how highly you view it on yourself. The Germanic people were also hairy, but they were also barbaric and maybe while being manly, they hardly ever amounted or acted like anything other than animals, and I think that uncouthness is not necessarily tangent to manhood, there are more important aspects.
>Why would classic American ethnocentrism be viewed in other way other than negatively?
Because it's exotic. It's the same reason why the Japanese will immediately become bored with you if you start speaking in Japanese, especially if your Japanese is good. They're talking to a foreigner because they want to hear your accent and hear you talk guns, riding horses through Montana, bandits and outlaws, the wild west, that time when you saw an outlaw shoot a man dead just for looking at him wrong, riding motorcycles across California with a gang of delinquents, and so on.
Walking stereotypes are extremely popular in Japan, but no one wants to talk to the weeaboo gaijin that's trying to "blend in" with Japanese society.
Are there any good books from Kino on learning Japanese? I can't take flash cards with me and can't use the internet for the next three years so I need a physical book. What do you guys recommend?
Japan is just projecting, we all know that the wild west really happened in East Asia.
>net and basket
Damnit Japan. Are these loanwords from Portuguese or something?
What do you use to look up words in katakana? Jisho doesn't seem to know them very well.
>can't use the internet for the next three years
Huh. In Yotsubato they were written in katakana for some reason. Never mind then.
You'll probably want more than one book if you're gonna be away for 3 years. You can get a print copy of Tae Kim. I'd recommend a print dictionary as well. And probably some actual Japanese books to practice with real material.
I am learning about including questions in sentences, but I don't really get the purpose. For example,
(where きのう何を食べたか is supposed to be boxed) means 'the professor can't remember what he ate yesterday. But couldn't you just a much express that thought as
, or something similar? Is this just redundance, or am I missing something?
Why do you think these gaijin women like foreigners so much?
It's because we're perceived as barbarians. That uncouth barbarism is fundamentally attractive to women, especially women who live in very polite societies like Japan where their men would never dream of acting like this. This is because it exemplifies the most primal and wild aspects of masculinity.
It's the modern day equivalent of the "going native" fantasy that western women used to have when they thought of the noble savages of the Americas. Those gaijin hunter girls sure as hell aren't attracted to gaijin who are able to accurately mimic the behavior of the Japanese men that they've seen their entire life, they're attracted to gaijin because they're hairy, aggressive, charismatic to the point of being obnoxious, and really big and tall. Essentially the exact opposite of what they have seen their whole lives.
They want to talk to someone that's interesting, same as anyone else. You don't have to be a walking stereotype to be interesting, though. As a foreigner I don't necessarily think trying to "fit in" is the best way to approach things, but on the other hand, the more you stand out, the less you will be taken seriously. I guess it really depends on what type of relationships you are aiming for.
It may also just be the lack of ethnic diversity of Japan. If you've pretty much only ever seen people who are the same race as you your entire life, different people are probably going to be weird/interesting.
先生はきのう食べた何を覚えていません doesn't make sense, you need to put か after なに. And even if you did that, it would be different. It is the difference between "the teacher doesn't remember what he ate yesterday" and "the teacher doesn't remember something he ate yesterday". The latter presumes the existence of a single thing he ate that he can't remember, while the former is a more general statement.
While I see what you're trying to do with that latter form, things like that are never said.
I can't tell if you're trying to form a relative clause with 何 or shoehorn English syntax into Japanese, but in either case, this isn't done, and embedding questions as in the first case is pretty standard.
Though you could certainly say something like 昨日食べた物を覚えられない I believe, but the meaning is a bit different than what I think you're trying to express.
Getting court marshaled is a bitch.
Alright, thanks for the suggestion.
Ok, thanks. I think I get it. I just got a bit suprised that I hadn't learned how to express such thoughts until several chapters into Genki II...
>Getting court marshaled is a bitch.
What. Elaborate, man. How many kids did you kill?
If he's American all he had to do was look at an officer the wrong way.
Nothing that extravagant, I'm just refusing conscription.
>Deep and profound relationship between a Japanese girl and a gaijin
Unfortunately, that almost never happens. As westerners, we're nothing more than exotic commodities to them. Good for some months of wild passion with the gaijin, maybe show us off to their friends, soak in the attention of walking around in public with her big blonde gaijin boyfriend that's twice her size, etc. As long as you can maintain the stereotype then she won't lose interest, but as soon as you start acting a bit too Japanese then she's going to kick you to the curb.
An actual serious relationship though? They would probably never even introduce you to their parents. Dating Japanese girls as a foreigner is a lot like when white girls date black guys. She's probably not going to show you off to her parents unless she's angry with them and wants to piss them off.
>only one classic novel in the entire list
/a/ pls. I don't want to go to /lit/ to ask for japanese books.
>I'm just refusing conscription.
Shit man, you should have just run away. What country are you from anyway?
>implying /lit/ knows anything about books
3 fucking years for that? You're from Malaysia or Indonesia or something, right?
>Watching anime raw and picking apart nearly every line and hunting down words and kanji, amassing a huge work list
>At least 4 hours pass and I'm only 7 minutes into the ep.
>A bit worn out, but enjoying the process due to the immediate payoff
That's why I said I didn't want to go there to ask them about it. Do you even read?
This is why the only Japanese girl I will ever love is in LovePlus.
Manaka would never treat me like I'm a subhuman sex toy that exists solely for her pleasure. She loves me for more than just my body.
Singapore. Running away would be stupid, I already have a house here that's fully paid for and the country is so close to Japan, so the shipping rates are pretty cheap. It's not ideal but beats being homeless in a foreign country. Sage for blogshit.
I was just doing that with Nise.
It's extremely tiring but I'm getting a bit better at listening.
So are you just going to be locked in your house without internet, or what exactly?
3 years off the internet might be used productively I guess, as long as you don't just despair and laze around.
Then again all the girls in LP are pretty boring.
I understand where you're coming from here as I've also heard the horror stories. All I can really say is, if you want that type of relationship, you have to find the right person. If you want to find the right person, you also have to be the right person.
I hope you realize the MC is Japanese.
I'm going to marry a 可愛いお祖母さん
So Nip girls don't like a scary-looking gaijin with a heart of gold? That's some pretty shit taste.
I have that same problem, how does /a/ get their waifu to notice more than just their pecks?
Dude I wouldn't trust what he says just because he makes some heavy statements. Nothing is conveniently fitted to be described so paper-cut by some nerd online. Black people and white people dating is nothing like it at the very least. Most people would admit a curiosity in a relationship, but black and white here is often simply viewed cynically and with hidden disapproval.
Get gyno and she'll notice you're tits are bigger.
Nah, I'll be locked up in a military detention facility. A-at least I'll be able to understand so Nip once I'm out There is no god :`(
But how do you know white and Japanese dating is not viewed that way by Japanese people?
>but black and white here is often simply viewed cynically and with hidden disapproval.
Same thing with gaijin except the disapproval is open.
Make sure you're familiar with the proper pronunciations of kana and such before you lose access to the Internet.
I'm still pretty new to this, so correct me if I'm wrong. You're quoting Shakespeare, right?
I can't say for sure whether or not people looked at us with disapproval, but my jgf and I got a lot of stares while I was in Japan. I noticed that people would look at me, look at her, and then look at us both again like we were a really awkward couple. One time at an izakaya this couple just stared at us for like 20 minute straight before they left.
Based on what I've read on futaba, I can tell you that an interest in that kind of relationship is in no way seen the same as it is here for that group. I would rather describe it like how White people view dating an Asian than I would how white people view dating a black person.
The guy makes too strong of statements to trust any of them if you ask me. Probably just something he heard from somebody who heard something from somebody who watched a youtube video one time by this hyperactive jblogger trying to make it seem interesting.
My spirit is Japanese.
If the Japanese could see my reflection then they would understand.
Oh god, no you won't, but you'd probably have time to study all sorts of shit if you have the energy. Evidently you're permitted books and shit so you'd better stock up, nigger.
You don't know shit and don't act like you do.
Were you doing any public displays of affection? Are either of you ugly or loud?
We were having sex and filming it, but that's normal in Japan.
Cape-dog is a true hero.
We held hands.
She's prettier than I am handsome in my opinion but I probably gain a few points in Japan for being white.
Japanese dating western foreigners is more taboo than blacks dating whites. It would be a different story if this was the 1930s, but in today's western world, white and black interracial dating isn't really that strange or uncommon even though people still view it with hidden disapproval, as you said.
Japan is different though. At least interracial dating in the west is something that happens between two citizens of the same country. In Japan, you're not only seen as just betraying your race and your family, but you're also seen as betraying your country by rejecting the men of your own nation to be with some foreigner.
It's far more taboo than black/white dating, especially considering the bad blood that still exists from WW2. Japan, Korea, and China are still holding grudges with each other over things that happened hundreds of years ago. It's naive to believe that the Japanese have forgiven us for firebombing every major city in their country, nuking them, and then raping tens of thousands of them during the occupation. There's no worse betrayal than having a woman of your country date a man from the country that crippled and castrated your nation, and Japan is by far one of the most nationalist countries on the planet.
>We held hands
I hope you got deported.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, it's not like we're Korean.
I want to try using an Anki deck to memorize Japanese names since they can be a bit arbitrary in reading. Has anyone tried this, and can you recommend one better than the one below which I think I'll be using?
Well, what if said foreigner is from a neutral country? A mixed blood, brown skinned country?
>I want to try using an Anki deck to memorize Japanese names since they can be a bit arbitrary in reading
Doesn't this sound a little retarded to you? You don't try to memorize things that change arbitrarily with flashcards.
I'd be fine not calling bullshit on you if you didn't exaggerate the hell out of it. Sure people don't want you to marry outside of your race, that's with everywhere, but it's to no degree as you describe it.
I don't really see how it's different than using Anki for any other vocabulary. Kanji already change arbitrarily, the 人名用漢字 just change in their own way. I figure nailing down the most common ones is a good start.
It's fine to study common names, but don't let it detract from your other studies, there are far more important things to be learning.
Wow fuck you, don't abuse me when I'm barely starting katakana
> Kanji already change arbitrarily
Right, which is why you shouldn't study kanji individually; it's retarded.
>which is why you shouldn't study kanji readings individually
Fixed that for you to make it more relevant and less likely to start an argument.
Kanji in regular words are usually sane in their change, names can literally be read any way.
is 溝が埋まらない a phrase? I kind find it anywhere.
Yeah, sorry I meant that the readings change, so the readings of words can change. I agree with what you said.
Does that mean "Akirameru"? Learned another kanji, yay for me.
Well, did I read it right?
did you try google sama?
Get Rikaisama or rikaichan for your browser. Also I recommend that you check out the guide in the OP.
the only page i could find was on that just linked to an alternate reading no explanation of the phrase itself.
No definition in the dictionary, but the examples on the first page make the meaning extremely clear. Probably comes from that one english phrase with the same meaning.
My fault, will do.
In the eyes of Japan, we're worse than Koreans in every objective way. They won't openly say that, but it's true and the Japanese aren't blind or brainwashed enough to not see this. They're just smart enough to know that it's a bad idea to start talking shit about the nation that forced you to dismantle your military and is currently parking large portions of their naval fleet in your backyard.
>The firebombing of Tokyo, codenamed Operation Meetinghouse, on March 9–10 killed an estimated 100,000 people and destroyed 16 square miles of the city and 267,000 buildings in a single night.
>The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless
>The incidence of rape increased after the closure of the brothels, possibly eight-fold; Dower states that "According to one calculation the number of rapes and assaults on Japanese women amounted to around 40 daily while the R.A.A was in operation, and then rose to an average of 330 a day after it was terminated in early 1946."
>330 a day
>Close to midnight on April 4, an estimated 50 GIs arriving in 3 trucks assaulted the Nakamura Hospital in Omori district. Attacking at the blow of a whistle, over the period of one hour they raped more than 40 patients and an estimated 37 female staff. One of the raped women had a two-day old baby that was killed by being thrown on the floor, and also some male patients who tried to protect the women were killed.
>On April 11, between 30 and 60 US soldiers cut phone lines to a housing block in Nagoya city, and simultaneously raped "many girls and women between the ages of 10 and 55 years."
They would have to be completely insane to not hold a grudge against us and this is just a fraction of what we did.
>They would have to be completely insane to not hold a grudge against us and this is just a fraction of what we did.
Or just, you know, not have been alive when it happened.
That would be using subs. Having to listen to several lines over and over to figure out what is being said and then having to look up the words/kanji to understand the sentence is hardly immediate payoff.
Yeah, militaries do fucked up shit. Chinese people still marry Japanese people after what they did in WW2. You're over exaggerating how much people actually care about something that happened that long ago. I'm not supporting or condemning what any military did in WW2.
Germany and France don't hate each other to the extent to which you seem to think the Japanese hate Americans.
maybe I'm dense but I don't get it, what is it digging yourself a hole? i don't get how the negative works a whole that doesn't fill?
Perhaps he meant immediate payoff in terms of not having to wait for subs?
>all these shitposters derailing the thread and talking about things they know nothing about
An abstract gap/trench
The unfilling generation gap
The unfilling gap with Koreans in japan.
Anyway, future-less language could explain thinking of everything as important, so holding long time grudges makes more sense for them.
What about non-American whites? I heard Japs love Germans and other Europeans.
My native language is also future-less and I think that's just bullshit.
As inspired by the classic topic: "Which kanji would you fuck" comes a new segment:
Which 丸 would you fuck?
・ master race
Sure, let's talk about that instead. They do have a future tense. Learn the language.
>Germany and France don't hate each other to the extent to which you seem to think the Japanese hate Americans.
Germany would despise all of their neighbors if it wasn't for the Denazification. We had to literally brainwash an entire nation so that they would blame themselves for every thing that happened in the war. Germans are still filled with collective guilt that we hammered into them.
We were forcing women and children to march through fields of rotting corpses and telling them that it was their fault.
>The ideas of collective guilt and collective punishment originated not with the US and British people, but on higher policy levels. Not until late in the war did the U.S. public assign collective responsibility to the German people. The most notable policy document containing elements of collective guilt and collective punishment is JCS 1067 from early 1945.
>Statements made by the British and U.S. governments, both before and immediately after Germany's surrender, indicate that the German nation as a whole was to be held responsible for the actions of the Nazi regime, often using the terms "collective guilt" and "collective responsibility".
>To that end, as the Allies began their post-war denazification efforts, the Psychological Warfare Division (PWD) of Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force undertook a psychological propaganda campaign for the purpose of developing a German sense of collective responsibility.
>The Public Relations and Information Services Control Group of the British Element (CCG/BE) of the Allied Control Commission for Germany began in 1945 to issue directives to officers in charge of producing newspapers and radio broadcasts for the German population to emphasize "the moral responsibility of all Germans for Nazi crimes." Similarly, among U.S. authorities, such a sense of collective guilt was "considered a prerequisite to any long-term education of the German people."
>In the eyes of Japan, we're worse than Koreans in every objective way.
We might deserve it, but we don't get it.
This statement proves that you don't know shit because no one thinks that's true.
English only technically has a past and present tense.
So apparently わ is used as a feminine ending but also can be mainly in some dialects.
What the fuck?
Japanese still has the means to express future intentions and stuff, it just happens that the default verb form can contextually indicate future or present. There is little bearing on cognition.
Some languages have a separate tense to speak about ancient events, but the fact that English doesn't doesn't necessarily mean we have no brain for history.
Human languages divide their means of expression sort of arbitrarily but tend to have ways to express basically the same range of meaning in the end, anyway.
It's only used as a feminine ending in anime and fiction. It has plenty of uses that are more manly and are actually used in real life.
Please stop posting off-topic. What you're posting is not relevant to DJT or /a/.
In terms of verbal inflection, yes, but not in general. We have a bunch of tenses etc but we express them through various means. Same shit goes for Japanese and like every language.
Girls and fags use it a lot, however in 関西弁 men use it as well.
Yeah, well, dialects make their own rules. What are you gonna do.
The default verb form pretty much always means future, with the exception of ある
There might be some weird cases where it doesn't, but you can break other tenses too. For example 買った for HOLY CRAP ILL BUY IT
>Which 丸 would you fuck?
Does anyone know what new features New Love Plus+ is supposed to have?
It's coming out on March 27, but I can't seem to find any information on the new features.
How should I complete this sentence?
Her route was too short. Fuck people dropping translation projects.
But doesn't it sound gay to people from other regions?
Rather, thinking a bit more, it seems like it might be
Actions (走る、食べる, etc) - default future tense
Feelings/personal things (分かる、感じる, etc) - default present tense
>The default verb form pretty much always means future, with the exception of ある
No it doesn't. I don't know where you get that. But that sure is one of several contextually dependent sensible interpretations it might and often does have.
That's why you're here, son. Where we're going, there's no need for translations.
No, because the situations in which you would use it are different. It's used outside of Kansai-ben too, although it may be influenced by kansai.
Is there a specific date or reason when/why 当て字 stopped being used?
They're ditching some of the 3D shit that everyone hated, adding a lot more story and events, interactive location based dates, etc.
It's a falling intonation instead of a rising intonation.
What is Tagaini Jisho and is it useful?
Regardless of my ability with the language it's still a dick move to drop a project.
やだ is frequently used in the sense of "oh you" or general light exasperation.
Isn't it just a shortened form of いやだ?
Yes, and いやだ is often used in that way as well.
Not a chance cool
This fucking thread hits me in the feels everyday.
Okay, right now I'm brushing my katakana/hiragana and I'm starting. I need to learn some before I go to nippon in a year and a half.
>hits me in the feels
People who have completed the Core 2k; how was your fluency after it all? Were you able to read any entry-level material?
>This fucking thread hits me in the feels everyday.
Why? The war thing? That's the only really emotional thing in here.
I could read Yotsuba and only had to look into a dictionary every THIRD speech bubble instead of every second one.
2000 words is nothing.
While that sihtposting does make me cry, I think he's referring to his inability to make himself learn Japanese.
What determines reading difficulty?
For example, you've read through some grammar books, you're familiar enough with stroke order, radicals, and kanji that you can look manually look things up on jisho, but you have a limited vocabulary. What makes a game like Pokemon (with kanji enabled) or Animal Crossing easier to read than a game that's targeted at older audiences?
Sure, the vocabulary will be more complex, but if you're learning a second language then you approach vocabulary in a completely different way than a child would approach vocabulary since you're usually just associating Japanese words with their closest English equivalent rather than learning an entirely new concept.
I don't understand why some games are labeled as having Advanced or Intermediate level reading difficulty and others are beginner. Aren't they all equally difficult if you're going to be mining out every vocabulary word either way?
Greater use of vocabulary(both in quantity and quality), more complex grammatical structures, more word play and subtle use of language, etc.
I don't have a clue what the reading level refers to, so I won't comment. However, what I will say is this. Kanji and vocabulary you can look up, and even if you don't quite get it, you can get close. But if you don't understand the grammatical constructions being used, and you aren't even sure what to look up, that can make it extremely difficult to understand. That's why I focused a lot on grammar first, because I wanted to start reading right away, and just picked up vocabulary along the way. It worked for me but obviously everyone is different.
I still don't know where this is from or the significance of it. A girl spilled her lunch (somehow) so what?
First frame she's pretending to be godzilla and set her lunch out to be 東京. She's on the ground because she doesn't want the military to find her.
In the second frame she realizes she took too much LSD.
Just look at those dead eyes. Wouldn't you feel bad if you fucked up the pinku bento your okaa-san worked so hard to make.
Japanese live-action TV sucks and has never surpassed the quality of sitcoms like Saved by the Bell. She's probably just sad that she dropped her lunch.
teach me how to learn grammar please i'm having problems
It's really easy,I just don't get how people don't understand how to use particles, it's just は を も に が etc. Look it up in Genki and make sure you study the kanji individually.
Your post was even less helpful than the average "your sentence is wrong but I'm not saying why" post.
Japanese grammar is is really easy though.
You just have to understand the concept of particles, and extra syllables that are put at the end of verbs and stuff.
I don't understand the use of "serifu". Rikai just defines it as serif...
Unless it's talking about the other 台詞 defined as speech then it makes sense, (damn you Japs and spontaniously) katakanizing. The sentence then translates to, "Not only can you use accessories to customize your character but you can talk with customizable synthetic sound with lines of speech you input"
from a famitsu article, http://www.famitsu.com/news/201401/20046746.html
looking foward to this game and making it say lewd things
This guy gets me.
It's confusing because it's so simple.
All of those particles can mean so many different things depending on the context.
It would be easier if が was the subject particle and then there were a bunch of other new particles for but, and, however, etc.
I saw some things like
英語と日本語 and 犬と猫
which was being translated as "english or japanese" and "dog or cat"
but I don't understand why, I thought と when used with nouns like that means something closer to "with" than to "or"
You're really showing how new you are to the language.
List several reasons why.
That seems to be true on first glace, but if you post enough context we will probably see the reason the translator thought it was better as "or".
What is the female name equivalent to 田中 and 山田？
台詞 is ateji, it's pretty common to see this word in katakana. Certain words just get it a lot.
It's different depending on where/how it's used.
I eat with my friends.
English and Japanese.
>Every time Japan gets mentioned on /a/ ever
>every post on 4chan ever
Has anyone else started to dislike leisure time since you started studying?
I feel very uncomfortable and anxious if I start to play a video game or watch a show, especially if it's in English. I've even started practicing the saxophone and learning music theory to fill in the gap of time between when I finish my daily 6 hours of Japanese study and when I go to sleep.
I feel like I'm transforming into an Asian. All I want to do is productive things. Unproductive leisure time makes me feel very agitated.
Not really, no.
Nope. Learning Japanese feels like leisure time to me. Plus, I wouldn't be able to 引きこもり it up on 4chan all day if I felt that way.
田中子 and 山田子
Thanks for the blog post
Are you taking drugs? Are you honking the pipe? Popping the シャブ?
That's an exact description of what speed feels like.
You're doing it right. This is what's setting you apart from all the failures in this thread. Just don't stop.
>implying you even do meth
ANYTHING is -incredibly- interesting when you smoke meth. If you get aroused prepare to be masturbating for literally the next 8 hours.
>replying to yourself
I struck a nerve, huh?
>begin to learn kanji not covered in KD
>suddenly stumble over words Rikai knows but not the Google IME dictionary
Like 棋 as in ご. Is it not usually written like that?
it's part of the whole word. 囲碁. or maybe it isn't now that I see that.
There we go. I was playing the wrong game.
meth a shit
That degree of focus is counterproductive since you will just tweak out and spend hours cleaning the bathroom and never get anything useful accomplished. Meth only has a practical use if you crush it up, measure it with a milligram scale, and divide it up into about 20mg dosages to create what's essentially nigger-rigged Desoxyn.
Might as well just take dexedrine or adderall if you have to go through all that trouble.
>implying I smoke meth to study Japanese and not to just masturbate for 10 hours
I use to feel that more. I feel it less now, but it's still there. I turned down just about all invitations people gave me to go do something so I could study.
The payoff is seeing your listening skills are improving, picking out more words than you previously could and being able to make enough sense of what's being said to move onto the next scene. It's not like the work of looking up words and kanji goes towards nothing.
It wasn't long ago when some of these lines would just pass by me as a cascade no matter how many times I tried listening.
It came from here http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/comparisons
The context is comparisons, so for example:
Should I just go ahead and still think of it as "with" but the idea is that "dog with cat" is a group of things from which they are asking you to select a preference?
(and then of course translating it into english it would be more appropriate to just use 'or')
or am I not understanding it?
と also means "and", not just "with". I think the jump from "and" to "or" in this context is a bit clearer.
And how was it translated?
More literally, that means something like "about cats and dogs, which do you prefer?" Which in English, is slightly more natural perhaps phrased as "cats or dogs", even though と doesn't mean "or" generally.
It was translated as "Which do (you) like more, dog or cat"
But it makes more sense now if I look at と as "and"
I feel the same way but it's partly because I wanted to make friends and the only way I found to make friends is to do something that will get you noticed. In my particular case it's music (plus being a foreigner speaking Japanese.) So I work on my music and my Japanese, although these threads are starting to drag me down I think. Chatting in here is like an easy fix, I get the feeling of doing something useful (helping people or whatever) without actually accomplishing anything for myself.
Whats the difference between 案外 AND 意外？
How do you regain your motivation when you start to "slide off the wagon". 500 kanji in and I'm starting to shirk on my commitment.
I've been at this every day for two years and I would have given up after the first month without them.
棋 is the traditional character for 碁 though, still used in words like 日本棋院 (Japanese go institute) and 棋士 (professional go player).
Yep, 30mg instant-release twice a day. The morning dose gets me through 5 hours of studying and the second does gets me through another 5.
Ah, I wish I had access to that, unfortunately I don't have a clue how I would go about obtaining it.
I know the feeling. Whenever I'm listening or reading something not in Japanese I feel like I'm regressing. It's really bad this week since I'm visiting family and can't immerse myself in Anime and other Japanese media like normal, so I just kill time until I can get out my laptop and work on Anki drill again.
Don't you find Anki a little bloated?
It installs fucking mplayer and LAME besides itself
Really? I already had them installed though so meh.
Do you live in the US? Pretty much any US doctor will give you a prescription.
Is it possible to do my reps in Tagaini?
I love the animated stroke order and colored radical deconstruction that Tagaini has.
Nope, I am from the UK.
Hopefully I'll figure something out that doesn't involve me consuming tablets of dubious authenticity.
The source is available, you're welcome to fix it and share with the rest of us.