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>Over time, the focus of otaku taste shifted from science fiction to anime to eroge
>I believe otaku culture has already lost its power. What you find in Akihabara today is only sexual desire. They all go to Akihabara, which is overflowing with things that offer convenient gratification
>I quit otaku studies, because I thought that there were no more otaku.

What happened?
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>Rei
>more moe than Usagi

the pic isn't even accurate.
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I'm not sure what kind of discussion you want to start.
Try to phrase your question better next time instead of a vague and retarded "What happened/went wrong?"
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>>100513560
japan started developing extremely shit taste. Then the industry saw the profitability and jumped right in.
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>>100513864
How did you infer that the picture said that.
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>>100513560
>Implying Chihiro isn't moe as fuck
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>>100513560
Happened that eroge and VN-LN sported a more fleshed out history and character developement than anime can do given its budget and time limitations. It also was that the SciFi industry as a whole lost drive and its currently dying. Also about the today akiba is not new, just shifted a medium for another - the ecchi anime fade away because it failed to give otakus the relief they need, and eroge was there just waiting a chance
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>>100513560
Just who the hell does Otaku studies? Look about as usefull as a liberal arts major
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Who are you quoting?
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>>10051835
This. Did you just stole this from 2ch OP?
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>>100518332
It IS a liberal arts major. It's a self-selected/interest human social studies subfield.

Good luck finding someone who would bother to pay for any expertise in it.
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>>100518353
Otaking
http://www.gwern.net/docs/2004-okada
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>>100518463
Maybe some aliens trying to get in their head "how these people still try to argue who is best girl all day?"
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>>100518520
>http://www.gwern.net/docs/2004-okada
just look at this guy and tell me we aren't better now without all those cardboard suits
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>>100513560
>Over time, the focus of [every] taste shifted from science fiction to [something else]
The '80s ended.
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>>100518601
Depend. I still like the mechanical aspect of old mecha and space series.
Instead, we get trash fujoshit mecha series nowadays and trash LN haremshit.
LN adaptation is frankly the worst thing that happened to the anime medium.
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Can someone explain where the sterotype of what otaku look like come from? You know the guy with a bandana and a checkered shirt?
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>>100519009
I'm not saying that I hate the Mecha culture back then, but if the medium changed is because the people they carter to and that buy their stuff changed .Given that we aren't a big part of their market our oppinion is worth two cents. About LN adaptation I disagree. I love having the VA acting, and having their voices in mind when I read the rest of the series/work/novel. Besides animations and stuff
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>>100519122
I don-t know about the bandana, but this guy as densha otoko is what comes to mind when I hear stereotype otaku
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>>100513560
This remembers me how much I hated Kanon's art work
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>>100519122
It's obvious that loner type people have no fashion sense whatsoever and are unable to properly dress themselves, so they wear whatever they find at a secondhand store.

>>100519571
See? He can't even buy pants of the proper length, he rolls his fucking cuffs on the outside instead of rolling in or hemming. Absolutely disgusting behaviour, you should avoid this type of person.
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>>100519996
Calm down /fa/. The fact is that the stereotypes are wrong most of the time and made up by someone that generally knows two shit about the theme. Still I agree with you that this stereotipe's objective is to make fun of them. Like those subhumans in TBBT
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>Watching anime for the plot

Why would people do this? Just read a book or something. Watch anime for cute girls doing cute things and relax.
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>>100513560
I've been reading a few pages of this wall and it seems that at lesat some of the guys know what they are talking about. PE taking into count the impact that the Sarin attack did to japan society in general AND the apocalipsis driven SciFi Otaku. Litteraly broke their dreams of having a part in post apocalicticals worlds and left a void that the soothing of moe (as we can relate) filled.
A bretty interesting document. Maybe tomorrow I'll spend more time on it
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>>100520413
Come on, don't start this. I don't opose to reading books , but there are wothwhile plots in anime, as there are mediocre ones in books and assorted media. Get over it.
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>>100520413
>Implying all anime is about little girls doing cute things
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>moe v not moe
>anime is dying

Oh wow, it's this thread again.

Will they ever end?
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>>100520232
I'm about as far from /fa/ as someone can be, but even I have a basic understanding of publicly acceptable person clothing vs homeless person vs "my mom buys all my clothes" clothing.

>TBBT
I hate that show so much. So goddamned much, and only partly due to my being forced into watching the first two seasons as a DVD marathon while recovering from having four shattered wisdom teeth extracted. I couldn't escape, not even into sleep.
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>>100519996
>See? He can't even buy pants of the proper length, he rolls his fucking cuffs on the outside instead of rolling in or hemming. Absolutely disgusting behaviour, you should avoid this type of person.

tfw short legs and I can never find pants that fit me properly
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>>100520641
Do 2ch and other eleven sites also get this sort of shitposting?
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>>100520413
Or do both and have a wider library of media to indulge in. Anime and manga lets me see another culture's take on a situation, I like to see how different peoples would consider a single type of situation because of their cultural upbringing.
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>>100520658
Yeah, me too, but the point was that the stereotype by itself works only as a joke.
Also, I share your pain anon. It broadcast in public tv here and is was cringworthy to listen retards anywhere discussing this trash.
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>>100520676
So get them hemmed. I went through five clothing stores last time I was in civilization, I found ONE pair of 33 width pants.

One.
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>>100520703
Didn't you read OP's link? I'm pretty sure they discuss it more than we can hope to do.
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>>100520413
They don't talk about CGDCT. They talk about eroge, harem and other worthless shit.
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I don't really understad where does all the flame come from to eroge. I mean, there is the fact that it does its job to take on the frustations off otaku. Just like regular porn does.
Is it because the kind of girls? The pandering?
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>>100519122
The checkered shirt is reality
These are "Aikatsu ojisans" who go to game arcades and play the Aikatsu game
Maybe it's a secret dress code
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>>100520806
last post about this since off topic, but what about jeans?
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>>100521108
They use them to tell themselves from riajuu. Its like the non retarded version of pins and all the other shit.
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>>100521093
>Is it because the kind of girls? The pandering?
Yes. It's an incredibly low quality medium. Same with light novels. Sadly, this kind of garbage is getting more popular influencing anime, real games and other parts of Japanese popculture.
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Otaking Toshio Okada " Whatever we discuss today, we cannot avoid Eva "
>To me, Eva was all about "Since I can’t do anything about changing the world, I will do something about myself." Don’t you think "robot anime" is all about "trying to change the world"? Morikawa-san, you talked about the apocalyptic. One step before that is "social reform" (yo-naoshi). One of the key concepts for understanding otaku is "a child’s sense of justice." The reason grown-ups are enthusiastic about Kamen Rider and the "warrior team" genre (sentai mono) is because that basic sense of justice, which we abandoned in society a long time ago, is still meaningful in the world of these TV shows. Of course, there’s also the terrific monster designs and panchira [the fleeting display of girls’ panties], but that’s not enough to keep the boys interested. That basic sense of justice worked until Eva. But with Eva, it became clear that no one could save the world. And Eva complicated the whole thing, raising issues such as "Maybe I should at least save myself" and "What’s wrong with me, thinking only about saving myself?" Eva marked a turning point. Whatever we discuss today, we cannot avoid Eva.

wow EVA creat a whole new genre, are Madoka even trying?
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>>100521201
I think I understand your point. They actually cost less money (translated into more products, regardless of quality) and give more creative freedom to the creator, but given that the pandering is what sells they go for that, isn't it?
The part I don-t quite get is how the influence real games and popculture
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>>100521365
Well, compare modern Japanese RPG with RPG from 90's. Everything is getting more cute, more eroticised. Same with anime.
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>>100521093
Just look stuff like walkure romance, koi choco, majikoi and stuff getting anime. Now imagine if the market is flooded by these adaptation?
It isnt going to happen but I can see where they are coming from.
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>>100521259
This is the part I was getting into. The fact that only the desire of justice wasn'n enough to get people into the shows degraded the medium bit by bit, until turning it into the desires of the audience in a attempt to make them buy. Is the problem when gattering to a niche of half deluded people.
Its like Holliwood did any movie the audience wants or otherwise no one go to the theather.
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>>100521133
Make friends with a tailor, they are a bitch to learn to hem on your own. Then maybe buy shitty Salvation Army/Goodwill jeans and teach yourself to hem denim.
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>>100513560
Someone needs to explain to this writer that Sailor Moon and Evangelion aired at the same time, and that they both stayed pretty high in the public consciousness for the better part of a decade (albeit for different reasons)
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>>100521108
Maybe they all dream of moving to Canada and becoming lumberjacks, but know they haven't earned the right to wear the traditional plaid of the craft.
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>>100521445
I'm not actually THAT into moon vydia to get your point as only one I know is FF. But about the cuteness, it happens to be a japanese cultural value, unrelated to popculture.
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>>100521093
It always come back to eroge because they're the easiest to shit talk.
LN and mobage adaptions outweigh eroge adaptions by a huge margin and half the time they aren't any better in terms of quality. But you can't shit talk those things because those make people some big bucks and you don't want to piss them off.
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At least film has independent artists. Anime, aside from few shorts every year, is too commercialized for this. It's a shame that even less commercialized media like manga or visual novels cater mostly to this awful, infantile niche.

Of course it's hard to expect something good from people who are inspired mostly by low quality harems, light novels and pornographic doujinshi.
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>>100521470
These adaptations don-t make fucking sence. I mean, Eroge is porn with plot most of the time, so if you take away the porn you only left the pityfull plot shell. They shouldn-t exit in the first place, given that they usally flop hard
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>>100521445
I would say that instead, even though there is significantly more series per year than in the 90s, that it has become increasingly formulatic. With very few exceptions, studios are more than content to play it 'safe' than they were with the more limited resources available back then.
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>>100520641
This. Anime fandom is full of insufferable, self-entitled faggots. This argument is, and ALWAYS has been a form of perceptual bias. This stuff has fucking been around forever, and anyone that truly watched anime for a long time and has enough sense to take of the nostalgia goggles would know this.
This argument keeps getting regurgitated again and again every day, even by industry insiders, usually angry directors and producers that have lost their touch or were once part of a fad that has come and gone. In the west, reviewers and bloggers prattle on with self-entitled banter, claiming that every slice of life or ecchi show somehow robbed them of entire seasons of anime filled with knockoffs of Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo. One of the higher-ups within Crunchyroll claimed Naruto and Titan are saving anime by killing off the "moe" trend, and he then goes on to define moe as "sexualized cuteness." These people don't even understand the words they fucking toss around.
Why can't people just shut the fuck up and have fun watching anime anymore? Why does it constantly have to be some melodramatic struggle of ideologies? Some people like gritty action anime, some people like anime about cute girls, some people like both. Get the fuck over it.
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>>100521525
Not only that, but they stay in non moon people's heads a lot of time. If we were to talk about how the medium expanded from japan to the west, those two will be the milestone eventually
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The fact that the culture and economy of Japan has developed to a point where moe can exist as a diverse industry is itself a wonder.

I just feel unhappy that the moe fanbase is the exact opposite of that aesthetic. I can't sympathize with wanting to be a faceless pig-male salivating over cute 2D idols. I can only hope that the 男の娘 movement becomes more widespread to the point where biological males can be cute too.
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>>100521756
Anon you need to breathe when you type long angry messages like that. It's bad for your health if you don't.
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>>100521191
No, they wear them because they have no fashion sense. You're overthinking things.
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>>100521756
All I see is a picture of different kind of settings, different art styles and overall looking more interesting than modern tripe industry.

Anime is bigger than ever, but at the same time it caters to people who don't care about new ideas, plot or even interesting characters.
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>>100521828
Well then in that case you'll be a faceless pig-male salivating over cute traps.
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>>100521897
It was a joke, anon. Don't get worked up either.
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>>100521915
The problem is that many of the most creative minds responsible for anime have either moved away from the medium, retired, or died - and there haven't been nearly enough new people to come along to fill that void.
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>>100521756
Nobody is talking about moe vs not moe.
They are talking about the overall degradation of otaku culture quality.
Just look at the imouto boom recently. Do otaku like it because it is unacceptable? Do they just eat up this trash to make themselves feel unacceptable and different from normals?
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>>100513560
So, its official? Rumiko Takahashi killed anime?

Well, at least she became richest woman in Japan in process.
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>>100521445
This is also bullshit. Back in the 90's there were plenty of JRPG's with cute girls and sexual innuendo, and a good chunk of them even managed to come to the west. Games like Thousand Arms integrated elements from dating sims.
The major difference today is SquareEnix can't make a decent Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest games because the company keeps making terrible moves and would rather cash in on the social gaming craze. If anything there are more "gritty" JRPG's out now than ever before, they just tend to fly under the radar, especially since game journalists love to bash JRPGs and other Japanese games for sexual content to get a rise out of readers, so they get more attention. Gaming websites were bashing Senran Kagura for years before anyone even considered bringing it to the west, because "OMG WIERD PERVERTED JAPAN, AMIRITE GUISE?!"
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>>100522045
This. There aren't enough replaced talent to beast the formulaic anime out there.
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>>100521963
Not really, I crossdress myself.

I don't have a waifu because I just self-insert as characters I like.
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>>100513560
Sounds like Japan could benefit from some multicultural immigration to spice things up.
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>>100518662
This.

The 90's and '00's had almost zero scientific development other than making consumer electronics smaller and more powerful. We didn't build a better spaceship, we didn't find out how to colonize the oceans, we didn't do jack.

Two whole decades down the drain.
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>>100522064
The imouto was another replacement to actual fanservice in various mediums. Just like fetish and perverted anime, Hen Zemi/Seitokai. Its fault of those that opposed pantsu in my chineese cartoons
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>>100522133
>Gaming websites were bashing Senran Kagura for years before anyone even considered bringing it to the west, because "OMG WIERD PERVERTED JAPAN, AMIRITE GUISE?!"
What's wrong with it? They are right. It's trash.
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Sqeenix shit itself when they merged.

Square was becoming the cancer and Enix was infected by becoming one with them. I think Square was moving towards the "cinematic experience" because they sank so fucking much money into FF: The Spirits Within only to have it bomb hard.
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>>100522133
This. A lot of guilt comes from those people outside the medium and internet that does review things just to increase their own popularity. Given that those people are the ones that have the most reach to normal people they pander them. Its the same problem, just reverted
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>>100522064
And yet, you're claiming doom and gloom over something that has been around forever. Sure there is a trend going on where that seems to be what is in at the moment, but these things come and go. Also, 2-3 shows this season isn't exactly a "boom." Calm down.

You could just move on and not watch siscon anime, but nope, you've got to talk about how otaku culture has fallen apart, as if it was ever some sort of paragon of Japanese society to begin with. Otaku culture is a niche culture that has always been heavy on sexual depravity.
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>>100522174
Fine then,I'm a fairly open kind of dude, but this is not your blog anon. At least discuss the topic in between
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How many of these fucking threads are we going to have every day.
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>>100522202
Fucking Recete was behind everything!!!
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>>100522250
Because it is just sensationalism and feminist whiteknighting that has turned game journalism into trash. None of those articles had anything to do with the actual game.
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It's hard to take anime and anime fans seriously anymore. I'm just happy that there will be Mushishi 2. Meanwhile I will watch my superior live-action films.

This season is so fucking awful, holy shit.
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>>100522451
Burger economics is fine, even for tryhard oldfags like you.
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>>100522451
You taste is so fucking awful, holy shit.
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>>100519122
>>100521108
Man I used to wear those shirts all day erryday. Maybe I will start again once winter comes,.
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>>100522133
>Back in the 90's there were plenty of JRPG's with cute girls and sexual innuendo
n- nuh uh
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>>100522333
It just kind of bothersome that if you go to Akiba and look up at the billboards and they're full of sparkle and cuteness, but when you bring your eyes down to street level the reality of the moe fan community is pretty depressing.
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>anime will be dead within 5 years
better grab it while it's still on the internet, the day when nobody remembers anime is coming
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>not liking moe
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>>100522674
We can only hope. The day when normalfags finally lose interest in anime again will be wonderful.
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>>100522674
I wonder this. They have so much people attached that it will take sometime to fall. More so now they have CR and Hulu to support their western branch
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>>100522560
Lezard Valeth is my favorite pervert of all time.
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>>100522702
I like moe. I don't like sexualized cuteness. I don't like harems, all this imouto nonsense, eroge, etc.
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Is it that time again?
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>>100522702
I love moe, cutesy, everything like that
I dislike sexualization of the characters, and people who can only think about those things
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>>100522714
This. The division amongst anime fans seems to be caused by casual fans with a passing interest in the medium acting like it belongs to them. People that watch Naruto and maybe a couple shows they have seen on Toonami or something pretend they are devoted fans to anime itself, even though all they do is complain about it constantly.
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>>100522860
Grimderp happened. Make it go away.
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>>100522941
>accel world
My fucking sides
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>>100522960
The fact that older anime was generally more ligth doesn't make it inherently better or worse, ditto with darker shows
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Yeah. Anime is dead.
Picture related.
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>>100522860
Except the majority of those current shows /a/ considers to be shit in comparison to their 2Chuus and Wake Up Girls.
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>>100522895
I like moe too, but could whoever drew that art PLEASE move those eyes up a tad? There's plenty of room for them higher up on the face, that shit is topheavy as fuck.

Looks a bit creepy as it is.
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>>100522941
>Just telling an average person that it's a series about "giant people who eat other people" is enough to get people interested.
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>>100523096
/a/ considers every show to be shit.
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>>100523067
I absolutely love seeing there Di GI charat. Drives the point home
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>>100513560
Who the fuck wrote that?
Why the fuck should I care?
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>>100521915
>All I see is a picture of different kind of settings, different art styles and overall looking more interesting than modern tripe industry.
You see what you want to see but not what's in front of you
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>>100523108
No
She's just a baby
Babies have faces like that
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>>100522941
So Attack on Titan is this generation's FMA 2003?

Big and awesome when it starts, drags everyone in until the end, and then mostly forgotten except for the one or two people in really well made costumes in the background of cosplay photos a decade later.
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>>100523108
Their foreheads are moving forward anon. Its unstoppable and infinitely creepy
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>>100523145
I was just about to post about Di Gi Charat. None of you faggots even discussed about it when it came out.
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>>100523096
You're kidding right? The only show on that list that the majority of /a/ would call shit Apollon.
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Science fiction in general is complete shit nowadays and mostly action focused instead of showing us visions of the future
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>>100521756
>All I see is a picture of different kind of settings, different art styles and overall looking more interesting than modern tripe industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pa6SGYWADU
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>>100523163
Read >>100518520, you moron
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>>100523176
Wrong. I see sci-fi, fantasy, series with real drama and some hentai. Not this artificial fake nonsense so common nowadays.
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>>100523187
Makes sense, but babies usually don't have so long of limbs.
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>>100523193
FMA 2003 didn't have nonstop, orchestrated fanbase/hatebase wars spoiling the overall quality of the work.
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>>100523096
>fate
>bake
>madoka
>haruhi
>t&b
>s;g
>hyouge mono
>kaiji
>space bros

>/a/ considers to be shit

Nigga are you saying things just because you can say them?
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>>100523237
She used magic to make herself bigger, but mentally she's still 3 years old
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>>100523262

The internet and general anime fanbase wasn't as big then.
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>>100523199
All that extra cartilage and skin from the complete flattening of the nose had to go somewhere I guess.

>>100523262
No, we had our Hughes' funeral threads and Nina doggystyle jokes. The internet was a simpler place eleven years ago.
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>>100523224
>what is Psycho Pass?
>what is GiTs: Arise?
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>>100523295
Damn babies with enormous powers beyond their comprehension. Use magic to learn shit first, dumb babies. Then you can do whatever you want, who's really going to be the asshole who stops a baby?
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>>100523292

And that show people will still be talking about 10 years from now.
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>>100523236
Nope just pandering, pandering, some more pandering, pandering, NGE, some hentai and pandering
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>>100523342
But the whole point of that season is that she learns to use it in right manner
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>>100523236
Well, they run out of imagination juice anon. Back in the 80's. Also, I bet the only things you ever see back then was the really popular shit that survived history judgement, literally one per season. It only makes a diference because now we have the whole season at our hand, even the worthless ones.
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>>100523231
/co/ pls
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>>100523324
>what is Psycho Pass?
You just proved his point dumbass
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>>100523236
You clearly haven't seen most of those shows, and you are cherrypicking the classics from the chart to make your point. There is very good sci-fi, fantasy, and drama currently airing THIS SEASON. You won't admit that though, because you just judge a book by it's cover and scoff at everything that doesn't fit into your nostalgia.
Even with the evidence right under your nose you still remain in denial. Idiots like you are everything wrong with modern anime fans. You either don't know how to find shows you would like, or don't even intend to, but you have all the time in the world to complain like a child about how anime somehow betrayed you over the years.
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>>100523236
>>100523391
Do people just love to talk out their asses when they have no idea what they're talking about?
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>>100523414
>implying Psycho Pass wasn't a compelling 'vision of the future'
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>>100523342
I'll stop the baby.

I won't like it, but I must.
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>>100523436
>There is very good sci-fi, fantasy, and drama currently airing THIS SEASON
Name it.
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>>100523292
One /a/non's opinion is every /a/non's opinion. Every anime is shit. Every anime is a timeless masterpiece. You have wonderful taste in anime. Everything you watch is garbage. We encompass all truth and all untruth.
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>>100523367
But I mentioned Madoka.
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>>100523464
It wasn't. It was BABBIES FIRST CYBERPUNK
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>>100523235
Yeah... Why should I give a fuck about some guy crying that we shouldn't like stuff he doesn't like?
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>>100523471
How about you fucking google it, or actually pick up a few shows and watch them instead of pretending to know what you are talking about?
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>>100523510
Says you.

And it was technically post-cyberpunk you dumb nigger.
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>>100523510
Is there anything that could be released today that wouldn't be considered babbies first cyberpunk?
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>>100523383
I see. Never saw the show, though looking at it's air date it came out before I was getting into anime beyond the Canadian airings of Sailor Moon, DBZ, and CCS as a teenager. When I got back in I regrettably spent a few years watching mature anime for mature people such as myself, though I have been correcting this.
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>>100523471
Space Brothers covers the first and last and maybe the middle, depending on your level of pessimism about space development.
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People have been calling the death of anime to "cute" for over a decade. Still not dead. It's not that moe shows have replaced more serious ones, but that the amount of moe shows have dramatically increased.
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>>100523510
This.
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>>100523455
Yes, and sadly enough that is enough qualification to write for websites like ANN and Japanator.
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>>100523559
Says anyone that wasn't a fucking pleb or a blind Urobutcher cocksucker
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>>100523540
I've seen 24 series from this season.
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>>100523455
Usually.

>>100523465
I'd like to think I could to, but needing to stop a magical baby/SuperBaby is a situation I hope never to be thrust into.
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>>100523559
>post-cyberpunk
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>>100523597
Space Brothers isn't from this season. And I dropped it already.
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>>100523639
It was there in front of us all along.
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>>100523646
>eyes almost level with mouth
Fucking 90s
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>>100523510
>BABBIES FIRST CYBERPUNK
But that's GitS SAC, preceded of course by GitS itself. Or Bubblegum Crisis, depending on how loose your definition of cyberpunk is and whether you believe it's set in the world of Blade Runner/Electric Sheep.
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This thread is dumb.
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>>100523650
Sorry about your shit taste.
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>>100523610
That is a lot of time devoted to watching shows you seem to hate.
You are either trolling or legitimately retarded.
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>>100522860
What anime is in rightmost column 2nd row?
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As much as I hate it, the guy is right. Not only is Akiba filled with sexual desire but practically the whole anime fandom is. /a/ is one of the biggest hangouts for Western fans and just look at the frontpage. All I see are cute girls, waifus, lewd 'jokes' and instant sexual gratifications that all have to do with anons dicks. And yet the whole place has that casual vibe to it. Who needs knowledge of anime when you can just jerk off to some doujin based on a show you've never watched?

Fuck anime. I'm going back to the 90s when things were good and people actually knew and didn't sexualize shows like Macross. Did people back then made rude lewd doujins of Minmay? No. Was she anyone's stupid shitty 'waifu' back then? No. You cunts are so immature it hurts.
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>>100523754
>not having fun
Have more fun, anon!
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>>100523639
Damn right. Also from Hakase, because robots are cute dammit.

>>100523646
Don't forget diesel-punk, covering WWI to WWII. I assume some people here have seen The Rocketeer or Sky Captain?
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>>100523798
1) Crop
2) Google
3) ???
4) Profit
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Repressed sexuality found its market.
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>>100523805
>I'm going back to the 90s when things were good and people actually knew and didn't sexualize shows like Macross. Did people back then made rude lewd doujins of Minmay? No. Was she anyone's stupid shitty 'waifu' back then? No. You cunts are so immature it hurts.
Not sure if troll or just stupid
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>>100523805
>Did people back then made rude lewd doujins of Minmay? No. Was she anyone's stupid shitty 'waifu' back then? No.
Wrong on both counts. You're so wrong it's hilarious.
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>>100523798
Some GITS. Don't know which one.
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>>100521191
We should do that but carry around a camera as well so we can just say we're hipster.
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>>100523805
>I'm going back to the 90s when things were good and people actually knew and didn't sexualize shows like Macross.
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>>100523805
>sexualizing things in anime is new

Aren't you just adorable
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>>100523775
I'm not that guy, but I agree that modern industry is a joke.
I've seen 24 shows, because it's my another attempt at getting into anime.

>>100523805
Agree. Modern otaku culture is worthless. It's painful to look at those fools. Including /a/.
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Who cares, it's pretty depressing but it's nothing new either.

The way things works it's a vicious circle. And you will find similar patterns in nearly every sort of media, because they're all tied so tightly to the industry behind them.

It doesn't mean the medias - you could say anime in this particular case - are dead, just that most of it will be boring shit, because the people will eat it anyway. There is no need for creativity, for interesting plot, just make something easy to get in, stupid, that appeals to the masses somehow. And it'll sell.

I know this is kinda far from the original debate, but it's still very related. Industry encourages it. I've been to akiba a couple of times and sometimes it actually felt depressing to be exposed to all this shit. That being said it's still a cool place to buy doujinshi, i'm just curious as to how it looked "before" everything adjusted itself to sexual desire.
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>>100523929
It's not new, but it wasn't that common back then.
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>something happens in phases
>gets mad at it because he's too lazy or not committed enough to continue
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11:44:18 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: I think you are catagorizing me unfairly (described as working with moe)
11:44:36 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I feel that whether its a robot show or any other show whether be it, TTGL or K-on, if you are into it, it's moe to you
11:44:40 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> If you like it, it's moe
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>>100523963
>I'm not that guy, but I agree that modern industry is a joke.
I've seen 24 shows, because it's my another attempt at getting into anime.

Have you considered anime just isn't for you?
Oh wait, that would be rational thinking. Why move on when you can needlessly complain about anime like it was some sort of ex from a bad relationship you refuse to get over.
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>>100524097
There are still shows I enjoy. Of course they are rather rare.
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Look at all that hard serious mature sci-fi /a/
What the fuck did I just happened?
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>>100524097

It's called being Zac Bertschy.
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>>100523559
>post-cyberpunk
There's no "post" cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is a coarse mesh of technology and humanity - a more ragged scifi which focuses on bridging the present to the future. When you lose that meshing, while remaining more advanced than the present, it's plain scifi.
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>>100524006
That's because there were enough fanservice to keep the in check
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The rampant sexualization is disgusting.
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>>100524159
Fanservice back then was CLASSY.
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>motherfucking Mushishi S2
>motherfucking Stardust Crusaders
>motherfucking Kiseijuu
>MOTHERFUCKING MASAAKI YUASA ADAPTING TAIYOU MATSUMOTO
>anime is dead boohoo

Quit whining, you fags. Were you really expecting a season solely consisting of amazing manga adaptations and 10/10 original shows?
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>>100524159
Nonsense. And this is nothing if you compare it to modern fanservice. ImoCho is borderline porn.
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>>100524209
Yuri was my boner back then. I know I look bad but goddamit they forged a genre
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>>100524238
We are talking about otaku, akiba and anime fandom, not all anime.
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>Anime is dead!

>Pimple-faced, lame teenagers now are talking about the "cool cartoons" with the girls with big eyes, talking about how they loved Street Fighter II and Fatal Fury. The internet used to be real cool, but now we've got a buch of morons coming from all the mass media attention to the internet.

>Same thing is happening with anime. The mainstream society is out to kill everything that is good, capitalising on all that's great. Fuck. It sucks. I don't want to wave around 9000 messages, most about mainstream topics, non-anime, Sailor Moon, etc. Where the fuck did otakuism and anime obssession encorporated with sexual perversions and frustrated computer geeks? Now a bunch of fucking jocks are laughing at Ranma. Motherfuckers.

>I'm pissed off. Anime is dead. So now, all you fucking lamers, enjoy it. But I spit on Sailor Moon. And I HOPE that maybe a little bit of anime can be saved. Fuck the world.

~ Nihilis595 , posted 17 April 1996

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rec.arts.anime/emLlcwtI3KM
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>>100524238
You know what I'd like?

An entire season made up of nothing but Cowboy Bebop. Except every timeslot is filled by a different studio.

12am? Kyoani Bebop. 1am? Bones Bebop. 2am? Ordet Bebop. 3am? PA Works Bebop.

Etc.
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>>100524231
Doesn't anyone have the picture of Mecklinger with this in a canvas? Its for science reasons
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>>100524360
>Kyoani Bebop
You don't want that.
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>>100524346
Yamakan from '96
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>>100524397
Yes I do.
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>>100524310
My post is targeted at idiots who actually believe there are no good anime being released these days. These people should climb out of their wells.
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When did anime lose its intellectual integrity?
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>>100524430
First you need to prove it had one.
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>>100524135
Hey, I see two robots on there, and one is in space. For the sake of this argument I'm not getting into whether robots automatically equal scifi.

Aside, did 1992 have a lot of World Mastepiece Theatre shows? I see three or four images done in the style, but I'm not sure on any of them.
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>>100524430
I WISH they could still show loli panties or naked body without censoring or making it seem like it's something really dirty.
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>>100524430
About a year after [anon] personally started watching anime.
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>>100524145
Hey, if all I could make money doing was talking about anime, I'd keep doing it even if I came to hate it. Hell, some people like reading/listening to people hate on their hobbies, it makes them feel more special for liking them and being contrary.
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>>100524518
Look at modern loli and that picture. Nowadays little girls are really sexualized. They don't look like that anymore.
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>>100524249
You clearly haven't seen anything like Plastic Little or Cutie Honey. Take off the nostalgia goggles.
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>>100524513
You are half a thread late.
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all this thread proves is that anime has been dead for years
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>>100524518

They were better times.
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This whole discussione reminds me this.
People everywhere and anytime will say the old things were better because that is our way to feel proud without actually doing nothing besides being born
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>>100524148
There could be post-cyberpunk, but that's probably what most post-apocalyptic stuff really is. All the computery people fucked off into the internet with the Singularity and left all the jocks behind to ATATATATATATATA each other.
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>>100524238
>MOTHERFUCKING MASAAKI YUASA ADAPTING TAIYOU MATSUMOTO

What? When? First I've heard of this.
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>>100524571
It's only in your filthy mind
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>>100524346
Small nose got smaller.
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>>100524397
It could be twisted properly. Generalizing Bebop to scifi setting with a frontier flair, it could be about a school in a small town. The planet they're on happens to be a hub of activity for the strangest the galaxy has to offer, and each episode deals with cute girls reacting to that day's Serious Event.
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>>100524397
But Ed and Ein would be so fucking cute. Jet would be the moe-est motherfucker ever made. Spike and Vicious could be tsundere for one another, and Faye could keep being Faye.
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>>100524704
GODDAMIT SHE ALMOST HAD NONE TO BEGIN WITH
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>>100521756
>all this proof that the 80's and 90's were better in one picture
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Golden Boy aired in like 1994 and it was practically hentai. So when did this degradation start?
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>>100524571
Lolis have been sexualized for decades. Just because the aesthetics have changed in your opinion doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
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>>100524581
You are nitpicking two shows that are twenty years apart. Not to mention that Plastic Little was an OVA and had a very small impact.

Don't get me started on how many shows that's aired recently which feature fanservice, some of which is downright disgusting (e.g. Sakura Trick for its lesbianism).
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>>100524628
>that's probably what most post-apocalyptic stuff really is
Post-apocalyptic is post-apocalyptic - what set up the apocalypse and what came before it doesn't change the setting.
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>>100524671
No, the classic young girls had no curves, that one does. That shit doesn't show up really young, but they're doing it anyway.

>>100524766
And yet they found a way. This shit is getting Final Fantasy DS game bad.
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It's not just an otaku problem
>The Japanese Health Ministry estimates the nation's total population will fall by 25% from 127.8 million in 2005, to 95.2 million by 2050. Japan's elderly population, aged 65 or older, will comprise 38% of the nation's population by 2055.
>Your grandchildren will live to see the Japanese go extinct
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>>100524581
Well, I read Cutie Honey. Waste of time. I don't have nostalgia goggles. Anime was the best from 1997-2007. I don't know what happened then, but it's getting worse. More uninspired harems than ever, eroge more popular than ever, fans suffering from waifu idiocy and so on.
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>>100521915
>All I see is a picture of different kind of settings
>generic sci-fi/highschool with fantasy elements harems and boobs

So varied
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>>100524809
But this is not a loli.
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>>100524816
>Lesbian kissing is pornographic

Let me guess, you are a Utah Republican.
>>>/pol/ it that way, you can look cool by talking about degeneracy there I've heard.
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>>100524664
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=513260
How can anyone say that anime is dead with a straight face?
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>>100524826
Yeah, but I can't think of any real way to present a post-cyberpunk that isn't just showing us what happens post-post-cyberpunk. You could end a show with progressing to post-cyberpunk and the advent of the Singularity, but I don't know how you could actually present it.

Maybe just Amigara Fault with USB ports.
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>>100524854
They're create cloning, you'll see.
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>>100524858
>More uninspired harems than ever, eroge more popular than ever, fans suffering from waifu idiocy and so on.

So same things as always.

It's funny you mention waifu obsession when fucking Eva aired in 1996.
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>>100524895
>Bulma was not a loli in original Dragon Ball
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>>100513560
/pol/ was right, it's degeneracy.
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>>100524953
>same things as always
Nonsense.

>>100524977
She was 16.
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>>100524481
> and one is in space.
That's Tekkaman Blade, a powered suit and not a giant mecha. You seem to overlook Da Garn, Tetsujin Fx, Ganbarugar, Raijno, Getter Robo Go and Fighbird.
That'S not even touching things like the tin man from Oz
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>>100524858
Keep stating opinions like facts, at the very least you can get a gig writing for ANN.
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>>100524897
They said it had disgusting fanservice, not that it was pornographic. Honestly, I think it does go a tad too far. I mean some of those girls must have heard of bras, but there's too much jiggling for that to be the case. How they haven't just knocked themselves out with a tit to the face is mindboggling.

>>100524915
Son of a bitch. It is a good year.
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>>100521756
> In the west, reviewers and bloggers prattle on with self-entitled banter, claiming that every slice of life or ecchi show somehow robbed them of entire seasons of anime filled with knockoffs of Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo.

This is the worst. Whenever I stumble on them it's always the same shit. Why is this so prevalent? It's the same as 90s western nostalgia, it's why I can't go on /co/ or /v/ and such.

You can definitely tell that it's failed and angry directors and producers who start using the word to attack whatever, too.
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>>100524937
And we can finally use SCIENCE on nature vs nurture by sticking a bunch of clones in isolation. Until someone fucks it all up by invoking God's divine right to create people or that clones are real people or some garbage.

Fuck you, vatboy, I needs me some new eyes.
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>>100524926
That's because, as I said, there's no post-cyberpunk. Once "cyber" is no longer "punk" in the setting, it's not cyberpunk. Trans/posthumanist scifi, if you want to give it a name.
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>>100525006
All those harem boobs holders are going to be dissapointed, anon. I fact there was more ACTUAL harems going back then than now. IT was popular and it SOLD like mad back then
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>>100525006

Tell me how any waifu faggotry now compares to what Evangelion did.

Can you actually compare the number of harems now to before? Do you forget garbage like Love Hina being popular as shit (and people doing waifu faggotry)?
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>>100525006

Age doesn't matter when determining lolis.
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>>100525026
You sure sound very desperate to resort to the fact vs opinion argument when none of that was implied in his post.
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>>100525009
I stand corrected. Also, that is the creepiest fucking Tin Man I've ever seen, seeing as he either wasn't in Return to Oz or I've blocked more of that movie than I thought.
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>>100525041
In the chain of replies, anon originally stated modern fanservice is borderline porn.

If you don't like it, stop watching it for fuck's sake.
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>wah wah why are they making stuff I like!

Stop crying over fucking chinese cartoons and read a book if you want something that appeals to a mature anon such as yourself
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>>100525087
Someone should just start a film review blog and constantly bitch about how all this explosion action shit is just robbing us of more Citizen Kanes, Gone with the Winds, and Lawrences of Arabias.
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>>100525227
There's already plenty of complaints about how hollywood only makes sequels or remakes filled with CGI these days.
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>>100525227
Doesn't work. More normalfags are roused that way, the kind that have the determinations to be absolutely reatds in all caps
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There's been a lot of people who've been saying this "Anime was best 2000-2007" or something around then recently, and I can't understand why. What happened in 2007? Things haven't fucking changed that much at all since then. Is that just when you started watching anime? Are you too new to tolerate older looking animation so you don't even know anything before '97, so your only real frame of reference is that decade or so before 07? Are you just burnt out and you barely watch anything anymore?
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>>100524854
>Your grandchildren
>implying things that are implied
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>>100525169
That is exactly what he implied.

>Anime was the best from 1997-2007. I don't know what happened then, but it's getting worse.

His argument consists of "anime is bad because I say so." That isn't a valid point, it is hardly even a rational thought.
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>>100524809
No innuendo here nope.
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>>100525119
>Trans/posthumanist scifi
We need to find a better name for that subgenre. I'm sure that one is the best descriptively, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

Also according to Wikipedia this all fits that description:

Crest of the Stars
Ghost in the Shell
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
Mobile Suit Gundam
Neon Genesis Evangellion
Texhnolyze
Bio-Booster Armor Guyver
Battle Angel Alita/Gunm

So apparently I already like the stuff, I just didn't know what to call it or that it was anything vastly different from what I already was watching. Unless, god forbid, Wikipedia is wrong.
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>>100521470
>majikoi anime
....How....how did I not know...
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Nudity alart
http://i.imgur.com/jHozhlz.jpg
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>>100525272
Anime is more or less the same as it has always been. Its always been good but it goes through changes with the times like everything else.

Only secondaries ever complain and they are not fans, they are just kids going through phases.
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>>100513560
I like how there was such a thing as otaku "studies".
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>>100524844
>no curves
>>100524548
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>>100524854
>tfw Otaku culture is literally killing Japan

Otakus confirmed for American Patriots
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>>100525295
It might be bad reasoning due to a lack of evidence, but resorting to fact/opinion arguments when you only dislike the way his rhetoric works is hardly the way to continue a discussion.

Again, not trying to insult you or anything. His statements can potentially have weight, it just has little evidence (out of laziness, perhaps, just like 99% of 4chan posts). Give him the benefit of the doubt.
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>>100525227


You're forgetting that most normals believe that. Literally every film was a Citizen Kane back then. Hollywood never relied on shitty adaptations, remakes, and sequels before.
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There were cute uguu moe shit since the olden days that is true. However, I think the things that seem to separate this generation from the rest is less so about the proportion of moeshit, but rather spread of particular kinds of moeshit.

I have no personal issue with the current anime as they suit my taste fine most of the time, but I do think that this era has been influenced by galgame and erogame standards more than ever. Why are there so many more harems, childhood friends, high school settings with toasters, and Chuuni-esque modern fantasies involving Gary-Stus? Akihabara was not always the otaku paradise it was either so I think it is wrong to say that images such as these >>100524513 disprove the feelings of oppositions.


To-Heart and Tsukihime popularized a lot of the norms of these mediums and I think the tendencies of such works bled into mediums like LNs. The shift from fantasy into modern-fantasy and from lore-centric to character-centric stories where charming and attractive characters and mechandising through the personal appeal (moe) seems to have piledrived anime to become, as some may think, more moeshit than the past.
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>>100525405
Lazy, unfounded opinions don't have any weight, and they don't make for discussion, they are just inflammatory.
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>>100525650
>Why are there so many more harems, childhood friends, high school settings with toasters, and Chuuni-esque modern fantasies involving Gary-Stus?

How are there more of them today in proportion to everything else? Yes, Akihabara is now a thing, but how much of this is new, instead of anime as a whole just growing larger, thus those trends growing in kind?
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>>100525319
Then Wikipedia is wrong.

>Haruhi
It's basic fiction with a slight scifi flair, drawing from but never delving into the themes of scifi. You could replace time-traveler, alien, etc, with fantasy equivalents, and the pivotal idea of Haruhi being or not being a god remains intact.

>Mobile Suit Gundam
Original MSG is plain scifi. Though I'd prefer to call it future fiction, since the science and technology of the setting aren't integral to the politi-cultural and coming-of-age themes. It's not about the Gundams, it's about newtypes and Zeon.

The one entry I could point to an decisively say "Yep, it's posthumanist" is Texhnolyze.

But we're getting into the definition of posthumanism, rather than cyberpunk.
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>otaku studies
get a real job fag
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>>100513560

Because SciFi hasn't been done well in the last few decades. Somethings are now reality, or the ideas of the past are too far from the truth in terms of feasibility to depict. What's left after that is what we get a lot of already: mecha, space opera/war drama. SciFi is hard to do to keep just a few decades ahead because predicting treads is hard and things are no longer seen as major improvements (thus making it scifi) because it's either in development or for now seen as a bad idea. And anything that just goes into magi-tech land veers off the scifi 'what could be' path.
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>>100525789
>Wikipedia is wrong
Figured as much. Could Crest/Banner of the Stars count if you consider the Abh?

I can't legitimately say I enjoyed Texhnolyze. I watched it, it was very interesting, and I'd watch it again. But enjoy doesn't feel like the right word.
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>>100525751
Yes, but this is 4chan and most people don't have time to back up statements with actual arguments. My strategy has always been to play along instead of pointing out obvious fallacies/errors since 4chan by its nature is hardly a place for civilized discourse to begin with.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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>>100525776
This.
Anime is produced in a much greater volume today that it was in the 80's-90's, not only is there much more of it, it is also much more accessible to everyone. Of course there are more moe shows, because there is more of everything else.
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>>100525908
Anyone who enjoys Texh is really fucked up.
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>>100525908
>Could Crest/Banner of the Stars count if you consider the Abh?
Like MSG, science isn't integral to the plot. Abh could be a group of superhuman sailors in a fantasy world, and everything would play out more or less the same. Future fiction or scifi; it isn't concerned with the "why"s of how abh achieved their current state.

Texhnolyze is particular, and the pessimistic posthumanist view it presents isn't the most palpable. Stimulating, but you wouldn't eat popcorn to it.
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Wasn't Ranma a huge thing in the early 90s?

>Highschool, magic, tsunderes, fetishes, fanservice, harem
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>>100525776
How many shows prior to Tenchi Muyo or Love Hina had a lot of aspects of harem anime similar to today? It's not that anime just suddenly gained these "moe" characteristics at the turn of the century, but rather that a particular kind of "moe" has settled in modernity with close basis with things such as eroge and later SoL and myriad of adaptation of LNs with strong VN flavors..

In terms of proportion, I could definitely see that there are certain shifts that growth in size cannot account for. For instance, D&D-esque setting medieval fantasies were fairly common but they are basically as common as Western films today. Doesn't mean that these medieval fantasies weren't moeshit, but they had there own established things that are unlike today's stuff.

I think game companies like Falcom (made some RPGs where 90% of them are untranslated), which was in the industry for a long time, kind of demonstrate a microcosm of the shift in the weeb industry. They produced a lot of D&D inspired RPGs with dat ye olde artstyle. But now, the company are making more games with stronger emphasis on characters (with recent games having "Social Link" elements) and are creating CD dramas and figurines to drive into the niche market today.
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>>100525824
But it's part of the study process.
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>>100525928
>Yes, but this is 4chan and most people don't have time to back up statements with actual arguments.

Wait, are you trying to say people should say stupid shit because it is too time consuming to know what you are talking about? Go to /b/ if you think 4chan is just for idiots.
Sure people have fun and do silly shit on /a/, but if you say something stupid you are going to be told to fuck off.
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>>100526109
>(with recent games having "Social Link" elements) and are creating CD dramas and figurines to drive into the niche market today.

wut

What Falcom game has social links? Amiami has no Ys figs and a single nendo from sora no kiseki.
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>>100525928
>4chan by its nature is hardly a place for civilized discourse to begin with.
Yeah well that kind of attitude isn't helping.
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Tenchi Muyo was huge, and that monkish beta faggot is the father that begat the modern day spineless clueless beta faggot harem MCs.

Things would be different around here if Ataru Moroboshi was the mold they were all cast from.
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>>100526081
>Future fiction or scifi; it isn't concerned with the "why"s of how

This is why I prefer to have one large pile of books instead of a lot of tiny piles of them. I can't be spending all this time trying to figure out which of my books are future fiction or scifi, I'm already kind of annoyed with speculative fiction being its own thing.

Plebian and unspecific? Sure, but I'm used to it all being science fiction and I personally don't need to draw lines all over it.

It is interesting to read about, but I doubt I'd ever put any of the subgenre sorting into practice for myself.
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>mfw people think anime otaku are the only kind of otaku
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>>100525928
>this is 4chan and most people don't have time to back up statements with actual arguments

>>>/b/
>>>/s4s/
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>>100526214
I believe the Zero and Ao no Kiseki games included some particular elements of social interaction with party members which had some mixed reception among fans. They aren't really "social link" in the sense of Persona, but added elements that basically allowed for personal interaction with NPCs.

I guess I am more so referring to the Legend of Heroes franchise rather than Ys franchise considering they are pushing prior franchise harder than Ys currently.
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>>100526304
It's the only one that matters.

Train otaku might as well be called train enthusiasts.
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>>100526326
>>100526176
>>100526226
You guys act as if he's wrong when anyone can just look at the front page and see the inane drivel that comes out of someones mouth that people actually take up as fact.
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>>100526304
Many Asian nerds think what the /k/fags do in states are fucking amazing or fucking scary or both.
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>>100526109
Falcom does Ys (among others), and Adol has always had the ladies throwing themselves at him while he is content with adventuring with Dogi.

Atlus does Persona (if Sega still lets them do anything), that's the one with Social Links and drama CDs and the pile of figurines, at least it has been as of Persona 3.
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>>100526229
Time of Eve is social scifi. It poses a question inseparable from technology: if you can't tell the difference between a robot and a human (emotionally and/or visually), does that change how you treat others? It riffs heavily off Asimov, but does the social dance that Asimov didn't like.
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>>100526176
I appreciate your stance (/a/ discussions should be more sophisticated) but after all those years here, I've realized that 'fun and silly shit' is what runs this place and that any attempted changes is really just a drop in the rapids. The size of this board is what 'killed' this place (not that I'm the only one sharing this sentiment -- many /jp/ers say the same thing) and so instead of picking out 'fallacies', I think it's much more pragmatic to play along while remaining reasonable.

Just my two cents. You can be as elitist as you want, but honestly if you are trying to be all serious, ANN might actually be better for you (and this is not an insult).
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>>100526304
Anime otaku are an easy target and the most frowned upon by greater Japanese society.
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>>100526349
>implying idol otaku don't matter
lol
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>>100526344
>I guess I am more so referring to the Legend of Heroes franchise rather than Ys franchise considering they are pushing prior franchise harder than Ys currently.

Fuck, I wish they'd push the Heroes/Kiseki games more. Preferably towards me, in English.
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>>100526456
I like to lump them with the anime otaku.
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>>100526479
Good luck with that with Xseed speed.
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>>100526456
Don't they call themselves wota to distance themselves from otaku, or is that something else?
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>>100526512
Everyone lumps everything in with the anime otaku, and that's part of the problem.
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>>100526442
>but honestly if you are trying to be all serious, ANN might actually be better for you

People come here to get away from the retardation of places like ANN. Stop trying so hard, it's really sad.
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>>100526517
I know, that and that fucking picture of the WoT books piled on each other.

I don't care, I can wait. I just want them eventually. I'll even hang onto my PSP, I figure if Gaijinworks could do a small print run of Class of Heroes 2 that XSeed could make the effort.
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>>100526442
>many /jp/ers say the same thing
Who gives a fuck about those guys?
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>>100526083
Ranma, along with every other counterexample, it conveniently forgotten in these kinds of threads.

I'm not sure why, considering that the 90's are notorious for excessive fanservice.
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>>100526299
IMO, anything beyond "scifi" is flavor-sort, as categorization is inherently imperfect. Like high/low/no magic in fantasy, and objective/editorial in nonfiction. I'm only throwing out future fantasy because I think the phrase highlights the lack of science in the fiction.
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>>100526442
Your entire post proves you are new as fuck.
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>>100522941
The only good things about fujiko is the two or three lupin centered episodes and the fact it renewed interest in green/red jacket for some people.
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>>100526558
People come here to get away from place like ANN because they're met with arguments they can't rebut and decide to frolic with the ignorant masses that can hardly form a sentence.

>>100526442
>many /jp/ers say the same thing
Right, I'm going to listen to Touhou roleplayers and twinks
>Mama ran~<3
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>>100522941

I can't take this shit my fucking god
These fucking invented narratives
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>>100526729

You should go back to ANN. Clearly you are having a hard time during your first week on 4chan.
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>>100526729
Is ANN anything like >>100522941? Also, does anyone remember that idiot and the kickstarter?
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>>100526634
You cared enough to reply get rekt turbonerd
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>>100526558
>People come here to get away from the retardation of places like ANN.
i don't know about that, if i wanted to get away from retardation /a/ is the last place i'd run away to. i imagine it's more of a habit thing
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>>100526647
Whoah that animation.

You don't see titties animated that well in your run of the mill fanservice show or hentai.
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>>100526812
You sure showed me.
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>>100526647
You can put out all the evidence you want, the anti-moe, "anime is dying" crowd will deny it up and down so they can return to their incessant whining.
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>>100526920
>Animated
>Modern hentai

Now there's a good joke.
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>>100526952
Reading comprehension.
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>>100526975
He didn't misunderstand my statement.

I do agree. Modern smut isn't well animated, on average.
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>>100524854
This is why when someone perfects a anti-aging treatment the goberments wil try to put it in the most people possble.
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>>100526886
Someone that can't use capitals has no right to call anyone else retarded.
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>>100526975
You said "animated that well"
I wouldn't even call them animated
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>>100526304
>mfw I bust out a DSLR and get called a camera otaku by some high school faggots
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>>100526692
I pretty much go with Fantasy, Science Fiction, Historical Fiction, Fiction, Non-Fiction, and Harry Turtledove. I figure in fifty years or so some of my Fiction books may move into Historical Fiction depending on their specific subject matter.

I have to detag my Calibre library because some of those subgenres are fucking ridiculous. I'm pretty fucking sure Burroughs did not set out to write his Mars books hoping they'd be considered "planetary romance" or "sword and planet".
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>>100527008
I'm going to look at ANN right now and see how bad it is.
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>>100527028
>get called a camera otaku

The fuck do you live in? Weeabooland?
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>>100526405
Falcom started out with eroge such as Joshidasei Private.
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>>100527004
>>100527017
The travesties that are Pisu Hame and Tayu Tayu.

What did we do to deserve those?
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>>100527008
i'm actually severely retarded, but it's only due to prolonged exposure to this horrible board. it's not my fault
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>>100527070
It was while I was in Tokyo.
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>>100527101
>no caps
>no punctuation
That's tumblr's fault, not ours.
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>>100527101
It's alright. You're here forever, so I don't hold it against you.
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>>100527065
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2013/the-summer-anime/zac

Read the preview for C3. As a bonus, read the bit on Free where Zac bashes fanservice aimed at males while talking about how brilliant Free is for having fanservice aimed at females. How Progressive.

This is the kind of dipshit ANN pays to write for them, and they have an entire community of retards that circlejerk around these authors.
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>>100527111
Why didn't you punch those little jap manlets with your superior western muscles.
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>>100526344
Well, trails is known for it's world building, I don't thing fleshing out party characters would be that bad.
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>>100527173
>This is the kind of dipshit ANN pays to write for them
Zac is actually the head honcho of ANN, isn't he? Says a lot about the kind of website it is if he's the guy in charge.
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>>100527092
>What did we do to deserve those?

Our waifus were mad that we were looking at porn.
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>>100527173
I just finished my short foray into ANN, and by god I would not like to hang out with them at all. So straight-laced and boring people, like standard forum denizens. Say what you want about /a/, but I like things visceral.
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>>100527132
i'll have you know i've posted here since 2004 you rascal. i'll never sink low enough to use proper punctuation
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>>100527248
>I like things visceral.
Okay anon-kun, just watch where you swing that edge.
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>>100527173
I'm looking at the Winter 2014 guide for Tonari no Seki-kun.
>That Rumi, the good student, gets swatted for trying to rein in Seki while the show celebrates his self-absorption also doesn't reflect well on the series.
Is this nigger serious?
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Honestly speaking, I blame anime directors and scripwriters for all the shit anime. I've read so many manga that are amazing in some little way but once it gets adapted it doesn't have the same soul. Characterization feels entirely different, motivations feel off and even the atmosphere isn't the same.
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>>100527174
Murder is wrong.
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>>100527343
Forget what I said about Seki-kun. Their Pupa reviews take the cake.
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>>100513560
The decline of science-fiction isn't really limited to anime. We passed the age where technological progress evoked a magical sense of wonder in public consciousness with things like space exploration or moon landings.
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>>100527375
Yeah, sci-fi died with SG-1.
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>>100527211
He's the Executive Editor. ANN is a website run by casuals and moralfags of the worst kind. Only shitaku manages to have dumber writers than ANN.
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>>100527173
>Read the preview for C3
Oh boy, is that his gun fetishism article?
And let's not forget how he acted when people called him on his bullshit.
What a fucking joke.
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>>100527375
Yeah, the LHC experiments don't make for good TV, which is a shame because high energy physics is fascinating.
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>>100527453
>People come here to get away from place like ANN because they're met with arguments they can't rebut and decide to frolic with the ignorant masses that can hardly form a sentence.
Well I guess this is debunked.
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>>100527453

They trained him wrong, as a joke.
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>>100527453
Is this even defensible?
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>>100527173
>(take it, you pool, take it like a good pool)

Pretty sure the guy doesn't take any of it seriously at all, just panders to the flavour of the month controversy which is currently whiteknighting and deriding anything even potentially or tangentially offensive to women while pushing for the double standard because we need it to counter the years of the double standard the other way.
Not that he's any good at it, just figured I'd point that out.

In regards to C3, does he not realize that Japan doesn't have the constant gun fetishism that the US seems to? This is one series out of how many and he acts like it is a fucking wave of them.

>>100527238
I figured they'd prefer that to sullying their image.
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>>100526442

There's a big line between 'funposting' and shitposting. Being fun and silly is different from starting shitty arguments and having dumb opinions that aren't fun at all.

The "moeshit/anime was better back in the old days" argument in particular is one that /a/ always reacts against, for multiple reasons:

1) Signs of dangerous levels of blind nostalgia, which can often be a high source of cancer in hobby communities
2) Signs that they're very narrowminded and are quick to insult anything outside of their comfort zone
3) Signs that they, in general, are prone to talk critically about things they know nothing about, ie. new anime, old anime, the industry in general
3) Signs that they're new to the medium overall, and the "moeshit is shit" thread is one step away from turning into a bad recommendation thread where they demand for us to prove them wrong.
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>>100527375
I disagree. Technological progress will always remain as "magical" as before.

It's just nothing flashy is happening current so the general populace isn't too interested.
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>>100527490
Is that really what he looks like in real life?
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>>100521756
>modern anime is gay I need more guys!
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>>100527373
It ain't murder if you're defending your right as a free man.
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>>100513560

>that graph

You know, for that graph to have any basis on reality and not just being "me drawing lines connecting picture to picture", the graphist would have to track the movement of artists from series to series and the appearance of new artists into the industry
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>>100527490
Typical Free-fag.
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>>100527539
So how long will it be before we have flashy breakthroughs again?
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>>100527442
Holy shit, is this actually an article?
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>>100527557

Would I lie to you?
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>>100527490
Damn that Jap doesn't look like the ones in my chinese cartoons.
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>>100527642

I assume you've never seen the one where SAO is a smart anime?
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>>100527630
>Personal Fabricators
You mean 3D printers?
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>>100527682
No, and I don't think I want to.
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>>100527642
Yes. The author had to retract his statement when countless commenters pointed out her transformation does not slit her wrists.

Kotaku somehow found a way to monetize stupidity.
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>>100527539
>Technological progress will always remain as "magical" as before.

I don't think so. A lot of people either expect innovations that aren't currently possible (CSI's photo enhancing) and are let down when they get something that isn't that, or they don't realize when an innovation is made because it's ultimately under the hood and they only see the UI or end product and not the code or guts of the work.
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>>100527630
>4K slated for 2017
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Otaku as a whole is not interested in one thing. What a stupid observation. There are still plenty of people out there who love /m/, science fiction, fantasy, and everything else that was popular at once point, and they may or may not slap a fat "otaku" brand on themselves.

People who self identify as otaku are just sad, lonely morons who have no other discernible interests to define themselves by.
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>>100527518
>This is one series out of how many and he acts like it is a fucking wave of them.

You should hear what some retards say about Free "inventing fujoshit". I've even seen some /v/tards try and use it to justify whining about how women/feminists will kill anime!

People will exaggerate anything when they want to doomsay and criticize
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>>100527630
>VR-only lifeforms
>~2025
yes pls
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I can understand normals hating on shit like IS or DAL but why do they in turn like SAO which is the same shit.
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>>100527747
>I've even seen some /v/tards try and use it to justify whining about how women/feminists will kill anime!

Seriously? But there's always been fujo anime. It's not even a secret or hard to find them.
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>>100527759
Probably sooner, given these seem like very conservative estimates.
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>>100527787
its not blatant, just stupid
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>>100527787
The protagonists.
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>>100527787
IS and DAL had better writing than SAO, not that the bar is set very high in that comparison.
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>>100527630
We're having them all the time, it's just that they're so commonplace in the developed world that they've become background noise. Science is at the point where they'd have to wipe a continent or weaponize black holes to get more than a day or two in the news cycle.
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>>100527787
SAO has a more concrete plot and theme.

And VR game which appeals to their interests.
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So how many people in this thread have already claimed that anime has always been the same? Because those people are annoying and wrong.
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>>100527800
>Implying /v/ ever has an informed opinion about anything
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>>100527875
You sure showed them with your hot opinion.
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>>100527805
I wouldn't mind that, given the ability to program their personalities. For the human lifeforms at least. I'm assuming VR-only lifeforms refers to a more basic form of life than humans.
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>>100527736
>People who self identify as otaku are just sad, lonely morons who have no other discernible interests to define themselves by.
Anyone who self identifies or over stresses a single aspect of themselves into their entire being is pretty damn sad. I was introduced to a girl at the bar last night with her walking up to me and saying "Sorry, I'm gay". Well, good for you, but I really hope you have more going for you than that.
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>>100527875
the only thing that has changed is the audience and their expectations for series.
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>>100527946
This image is bait itself. The proof is the fact that I'm responding to it.
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>>100527630
never, you make more money with streaming.
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>>100527956
but i have to tell potential serious relationship partners that I'm adult baby because if they find out later that I expect them to parent me they feel le tricked, what am I supposed to do otherwise man?
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>>100527800

I've tried. They even sometimes say their favorites anime(s) as a kid was Gundam Wing.

It's just like talking to people who use the "moeshit" argument
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>>100527747
>Free "inventing fujoshit"

It really thrust it into everyone's minds, but it hardly invented it. It's just like all those pseudo-yuri shows where the rabid fans who NEED everyone to be gay can just point at it and show that everyone is acting and posing pretty goddamned gay even if there is no actual romantic relationships occurring.
It just stopped being circumspect and flamboyantly kicked over the well-beaten bush, and sadly that's enough to be creditted as inventing something.
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>>100527953
I'd imagine the skip from bare sentience to sapience would be pretty easy. The sentience itself is the bigger obstacle.
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>>100527173

I read through that topic, it's so stupid, people jumping on his defense, being so passive aggressively polite
They even get into this ratings debate near the end where this guy was compiling scores, they're so stupid
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>>100528100
True. Either way I'm kind of looking forward to it (even though it may end up destroying our world)
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>>100528046
I wasn't even presenting myself as a potential partner, I was sitting on on my ass in the corner, alone in the dark, watching the door.
Apparently glancing to see if someone's trying to take their beer outside counts as attention now.
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>>100527630
Holy shit, this chart makes me hyped as fuck but I will always doubt the accuracy of these kinds of things.
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>>100528054
>favorites anime(s) as a kid was Gundam Wing
If they saw it as a kid and not rewatched it since then, they probably wouldn't remember or have noticed the obvious homoeroticism of Wing. Kids, at least where I was when that was airing, weren't all that concerned with the horrors of gay, we were busy being kids.
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>>100528102
>being so passive aggressively polite

God I hate those people. With their smug replies and emoticons.
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>>100527875

Lots of things have changed in anime. The digitalization of the animation technology, the rise and fall of mecha merchandise shows, the rise and fall of the OVA industry, the rise of Akihabara, the rise of LN adaptations, larger industry on the whole, tons more series made every year, and lots more changes that are actually measurable.

What hasn't happened, though, is "All anime used to be hard violent mature sci-fi and now it's all girly moeshit!!". Which is what it always comes down to with them.
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>>100528135
Eh, either we destroy ourselves or we create something that decides to put us out of our misery. Whichever ends up being cooler is fine with me.
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>>100527630
>>100528177
http://envisioningtech.com/envisioning2012/

Found the origin site that also has a short description and wiki links for each technology, if anyone's interested.
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>>100528273
Well the way I see it some of those AI will likely want to destroy us, while others will worship us as a sort of creator-figure, so...
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>>100528273
If humanity ever destroys itself, I hope we go with a bang. Human kind managed some cool shit so far, we at least deserve a grandiose finale.
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>>100528164
oh okay that's kinda weird then since they were like a fuckin stranger but I think self-identifying labels are important at the very least to serve as a warning to normalfriends that you might worse than they're expecting when you're close enough to start opening yourself up to them
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>>100527875
Which sell more nowadays?
model kit or figures?
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>>100528348
Sweet, self-fulfilling and perpetuating pseudo-religious wars.

Where is your god now? Right over here. Or over there, just blow people up.

>>100528379
I'd be pretty fucking disappointed in us if we did anything less. I demand world landmarks to cinematically be blown to bits at the very least.

>>100528400
>a warning to normalfriends
That could be useful. It was just weird, especially seeing as people usually completely ignore the door guy who is there to pretty much ruin their fun and tell them to leave. End of the night some guy did thank me for keeping the place "all hospitality and shit".
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>>100528248
I always see people in the 30's and older on forums pulling that shit, is that a normal part of grandpa forum culture?
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>>100528400
>normalfriend
Crossboarder pls.
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>>100528102
Most anime websites outside of /a/ are like this. You will see the same sort of thing on Japanator and Animesuki. MAL isn't quite as bad in that extent but makes up for it by having an infuriatingly stupid community.
Either way, that is why we're here forever no matter how terrible /a/ is.
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>>100528467
you caught me, I mostly just come to 4chan these days for the denpa threads on /jp/ but im drunk and lonely and craving human interaction so im wandering in the high traffic boards hoping someone will respond to my off-topic posts
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>>100528551
We'll never be that bad as long as we defend our right to call other people faggots, huh?
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>>100528467
So you don't know anyone with differing hobbies to you? I learned fairly quickly that it was easier to warn people who came over that even though they know I read a lot that I have a LOT of books. People don't know what to do when they are confronted by 24 feet of crammed bookshelves.
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>>100528466
No people that post like that are just trying to look mature and dignified when they are just childishly insulting someone because they can't admit they are wrong.
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>>100513560
Heres what happen over the years for TMS.
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>>100528742
Nothing? They're all kids anime after all.
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>>100528742
>what is Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine
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>>100522798
I tried playing it and I couldn't even pay the first part of the fucking bill, haven't picked up again.
I never realized how hard applied economics are.
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>>100528742
Needs more Dezaki.
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>>100528916
60s=Big X, The only production that TMS got from Osamu Tezuka when he was still alive.

70s=The Castle Of Cagliostro, Miyazaki's first film, but if there is one thing to know, is that Lupin III is not a kids show.

80s=DuckTales, enough said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJkVTBSq0M

90s=Animaniacs, along side Tiny Toons, it is TMS' swan song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjSM0fVCmFk

2000s=Hamtaro, Laura & Kana were the best parts of the show, they and Nintendo's licensing were the only reason why it's still remembered today; Osamu Dezaki also made 4 movies off of it.

2010s=Aikatsu, really a sunrise show, but TMS did most of season 1, they left after that (TMS also did episodes 54, 60 & 63 in season 2 of Aikatsu) to do Space Dandy for Bones & Z/X (both of which are not kids shows).
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>>100528655
You should stop hanging out with judgmental assholes. My house is filled with anime figures and wall scrolls and none of my normalfag friends freak out about it. At the worst they may make a joke, that's about it. One of my friends did multiple military tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and he looks them over to see which one has the best ass.
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>>100529066
Shit?
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>>100529066
Aikatsu was a much bigger deal, and that was from Sunrise.

>>100529121
Hows this?
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>implying there aren't talented and creative people in Japan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge18Ieyi9bI

But otaku mainstream doesn't care about true artists.
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>2014
>Still. thinking anno's Rei start the moe downfall
>Don't realize Luky Star WAS the initial cancer.

sasuga /a/
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>>100529595
No, stop being stupid.
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>>100513560
Everyone who argues that the anime industry is dying is retarded and clearly doesn't know anything about the anime industry to begin with. Pic related.

>>100527453
Absolutely disgusting.
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The anime industry, according to insiders like directors, has been dying since the 1960's.

Pic related is my reaction to seeing someone parrot that phrase over and over again.
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Otaku is shit
As a result anime is now total shit
Not a single anime is worth watching for years now
Thank god for manga
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>>100530352
bait/10
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>>100530399
Not bait just my opinion, any anime I see discussed plenty here I give a watch and its always unbearable.
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>>100529739
No one ever says is dying.
Its having lost of success pandering to degenerates.
Its the content people are upset about.
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>>100529802
Japan's animation industry =/= US' animation industry.

Before John K showed up with Mighty Mouse, the industry was almost nothing but Kiddy Filler & Otaku Bate, Tezaka made some art films, Ghibli happen & TMS ran the industry with a iron fist, John K changed all of that.
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>>100529266

>and he looks them over to see which one has the best ass.

So which one is it?
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>>100513560
We have this thread every day. 10 times.
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>>100528742
I thought animaniacs was made by canadians
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>>100530501
>degenerates

Thanks for stopping by, you can go back to /pol/ now.
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>>100531086
Never been there.
And what I said still stands.
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>>100530710
He seems to like Hibari from Senran Kagura.
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>>100531128

And what you said isn't true, because the industry is more successful now than ever, it just doesn't appeal to normalfags and prudes.

Protip: It never did outside of passing fads, either.
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>>100530792
Animaniacs was made by Tom Ruegger and was a Spielberg ran show along side Tiny Toons.

It was made by the US, but TMS in Japan had say on it (unlike the other studios Warners used on it & Tiny Toons).
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>>100531226
I never said it wasnt, check your reading comprehension m8.
Of course its now more successful than ever its pretty much softcore porn.
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>>100531284
That'd be true it this was the 90's.
It's justmore detailed bras and panties really.
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>>100531394
The 90s were Yakko, Wakko & Dot mind you.

Also Buster & Babs Bunny (no relation).
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>>100521756
So what you are saying is that anime was always shit right
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>>100531538
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law

Everything always was and always will be shit.
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>>100531580
Oh yeah the old excuse
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>>100528742
Reminder.
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>>100523639
>Magical girl has friend who dresses her up in a black-and-pink rubber dress, complete with kitty-ears; then proceeds to film the whole thing.

The gay was strong with CCS, wasn't it?
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>>100531580
>90%
>everything
ok m8
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>>100533340
It had lots of sexual themes which is kind of surprising.
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>>100533470
Not when it's Clamp it isn't.
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>>100533340
Well it also had Syaoran and his crush on Yuki, the whole Touya & Yukito thing, Tomoyo's mother loving Sakura's mother, student/teacher...
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read some fucking manga, children
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>>100533813
Done & Done.
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Anime is a joke, it's fucking cartoons

Even Love Hotels bring in more revenue to the Japanese economy than anime

I will never understand how some of you legitimately watch it for artistic value or to "learn something"
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>>100528742
>Duck Tales and Animaniacs
Holy shit!
My favs usa cartoons has nips involved.
asuga TMS
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>>100529093
You can restart with the stuff you buyed before. I only flopped once. Try again anon
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>>100535347
Explain Tsumiki no Ie, Nekojiru-sou and Tenshi no Tamago then.
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>>100524006
In the past there was not censure, you just reversed things, today sexualization is actually more subtle.



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