Thanks for ruining a great manga Shaft.
The manga was shit
It had funny faces, it was hilarious.
So SHAFT took the mangaka's shitty art and added some details. Thanks based SHAFT!
You're just mad because the rolled up piece of paper wasn't in the anime.
Shaft is saving anime.
Kyoani has more masterpieces
No they took his source material and SHAFT-ed it. It's a horrible adaptation. And I don't understand how people can defend it. Shaft thinks that just because their hipster camera and art-styles worked before that they can just keep copy pasting the same formula to everything they touch and it'll work out but in this case it's atrocious.
They took a shit manga and made it better. Deal with it retarded mangafag.
>gets a shit adaptation
And nothing of value was lost
OP will likely give me a stupid answer anyway, but I'll ask: How the hell is that "edgy"?
What does that even mean.
I don't get why people hate this so much. It seems like everyone feels nothing but rage toward it when it's been pretty funny with cute girl designs so far. What more do you people fucking want?
Characters and plot which aren't at the heights of generic harem
They poured all of their creative semen into it
I think it's that other people don't find it funny, dislike that there is no relationship progression, and that girls being cute isn't enough to carry a show on its own (as well as it being a feature of many, many other shows too).
To be fair for this being "comedy" I'm not laughing as much as I did with the manga.
Surprise, most adaptations are not.
Seto no hanayome was better than the manga.
You realize this is Shinbo's work, right? he always does shit like this, it's not SHAFT the studio.
>implying that Shinbo isn't studio SHAFT.
I wish Nisekoi had been done by the same people who did Seto no Hanayome
Shaft can't help that the manga its based on has a shit plot and boring characters.
Cause being overly elaborate is.
And so, it begins.
>I wish Nisekoi had been done by the same people who did Seto no Hanayome
But then it would look shit as WELL as having an awful plot and cast. At least Shaft made the visuals decent, its the best you could hope for given the source material.
Anime only fags are coming out in full force. Notice how manga threads are usually better than anime threads. Notice how animefags call everything shit.
>implying Masa is not one of the top 10 most handsome men in Anime ever.
I know you're not talking shit about Masa right anon?
Joke's on you, I've been calling the manga garbage for the last 6-12 months.
>Notice how manga threads are usually better than anime threads.
>Notice I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about.
Manga threads are, as a rule, shit. Just like anime threads. There are rare exceptions, and you've only seen more of the former than the latter so far.
>Implying Shinbo hasn't worked on other anime that aren't Shaft related
>Hidamari Sketch 2
>Hidamari Sketch 3
>Hidamari Sketch 4
You've been calling a manga shit for a year yet you keep reading it.
No one said he hadn't, but Shaft doesn't do anything without him nowadays and that's a fact.
>implying that Shinbo is the own who make shaft anime good.
that would mean that people who are watching it for shaft could save themselves half an hour each week
Manga threads are way better. Lurk moar.
The quality of manga threads are better. I really don't know what else to say. Not everything is shit like you say animefag.
>implying Shaft's best can hold a candle to Kyoani's best
Try harder anon.
Shinbo's name is on everything Shaft does. It doesn't mean he actually contributes anything to the show. Most times they credit him as Chief Director rather than Director it basically means he did nothing at all and they want to slap his name on it.
>listing every single sequel for a series to fluff it up
Just put "_____ series" you jackass.
Madoka is literally the only thing there that's good.
>Hey guize, one paeg tread!
>cue fifty million reposts of the same damn shit manga every thread
>Any manga that's even semi-popular General
>Just as bad as any anime thread of an equally popular series
Besides that most are just sperglords arguing about waifus, lolispam, awful fucking art getting praised highly etc.
Lesser known series tend to have okay discussion, but the threads are small and the same applies for anime.
The people who are hating on the Nisekoi adaptations are either ignorant or staunch mangafags who still think that Nisekoi the manga isn't just a shitty generic romance with an obnoxious fanbase. Face it, Shinbo actually made this show watachable. If he had done a frame-by-frame adaptation of this shit we would've ended up with J.C.Staff-tier garbage. Instead, he turned something utterly generic and ironically filled it with so many tropes that it is turning out to be one of the best shows this season. The art, the delicious voice from KanaHana and the ClariS OP make this show a potential masterpiece.
I predict that this show will be as good, if not outright better, than its spiritual predecessor Bakemonogatari.
>Implying Clannad is better than ef
Shaft original ending is the only way this show can be saved.
Do people complain when KyoAni bases their works in real Tokyo settings? Their adaptation of the Town from Clannad and the places in Chuunibyou are pretty nicely done. I think Shinbou exaggerates shit in his adaptations, like Ef - a fairy tale of the two where he substitutes development with hamfisted and exaggerated characterization.
>implying shaft doesn't win every category there besides, arguably, romance/tragedy
maybe if they deviate from the manga and push the story forward
>Not fucking Clannad
>Not fucking FMA
That's completely wrong. Manga threads actually have discussion even if it is about waifus. Anime threads such as this one is just calling the anime and manga shit. Whenever a manga gets an adaption animefags ruin it. Look at what happened to SnK for a recent example.
You need to lurk.
What is this, 2009?
>Not fucking FMA
That guy's hilarious to include Nisekoi as a Shaft masterpiece and only mention K-on and the Haruhi movie as KyoAni's. I guess it's just all he's seen as a Shaftfag.
Madoka isn't even that good.
Bakemongatari wins by a mile.
Both shows are shit.
SZS wins by a mile.
Clannad wins by a tiny bit.
I meant FMP
>not noticing it
>Manga threads actually have discussion even if it is about waifus.
And if all its about is waifus it might as well be gorespam for how much it's actually contributing to the quality of the thread.
Anime threads and manga threads are as a rule shit in the vast majority of cases, with rare exceptions such as when they're about series too obscure to attract trolls/kiddies and very rarely for popular ones when the stars are aligned correctly.
Manga threads are not magical havens from the shitposting and pointless fluff of anime threads, idiots have just built up some kind of bizarre elitism over them.
(and I spend the vast majority of my time in manga threads these days since I've not really watched much in the past three seasons)
Ah, my bad. It seems as he did some storyboard and supervision on this, only. It still suffers from unneeded SHAFT exaggeration.
Moeshit you filthy manchild.
I know there are lots of fags here who like SHAFT and KyoAni, but could I be the only one here legitimately likes JCStaff?
Who invited /v/?
Everyone bases locations on real life, I have a dozen of these images.
No, I found even Tamako Market to be more enjoyable than Bakemonogatari.
Yes you are.
Not that I can be bothered to post them all.
It's better than your favorite anime
I can't wait for the SHAFT foot fetish service. It's in every single show of theirs and I thank them for their work.
Or you're like me and you literally give no fuck about the studio. If it's good then it's good and if it's shit it's shit.
I liked them for my Little Busters fanservice. It took a complete shit on the source material (as expected of JC Staff), but it was a semi-decent watch after having read it first.
Nice trollbait, fag.
Eh, I like Kyoani but tamako market wasn't that great.
SHAFT is shit this season because of this shit Jump manga. They'll be back in force next season though.
There's no reason to complain since having a real-life setting for those shows is really just an alternative source of revenue.
>Ef - a fairy tale of the two where he substitutes development with hamfisted and exaggerated characterization.
I don't know. Ef was pretty melodramatic to begin with and Shinbo's adaptation made it really stand out amongst every other VN-turned-romance adaptations out there. Just my two cents. Also, Memories > Melodies
>expecting good things from SHAFT
Only one to blame is you
i actually like it, esp when people come up with comparison screenshots/picture comparisons
>Anime threads and manga threads are as a rule shit
What is this rule you keep talking about? Like I said not everything is shit.
>Manga threads are not magical havens from the shitposting
I know that. However the quality of discussion in manga threads are much better than most anime threads.
>I spend the vast majority of my time in manga threads these days
Bullshit. You probably spend your time in those "post 1 page threads".
PPD is the best show made by SHAFT ever.
This is a fact
SHAFT is never shit. They turn shit into gold.
>thinking Madoka is even remotely good
Best studio in the business by far.
I don't think it's good. I know it's a masterpiece.
True. It's melodramatic like similar VNs, and the style did help it to stand out. There are things that are changed and overdramatized like Yuko's brother and the arc endings and whatnot. It's a general nitpick, but relevant to Shaft exaggerating things.
Shaft turns shit into shit + headtilts.
next to trigger
Gonzo > all
Hahahahaha no. Go back to your KLK circlejerk.
>What is this rule you keep talking about? Like I said not everything is shit.
The rule that every thread on /a/ is shit, with ones that aren't being rare exceptions.
>However the quality of discussion in manga threads are much better than most anime threads.
No, it isn't. If you only stick to the minority of manga threads that even HAVE proper discussion of them, then its usually of equal quality to the minority of anime threads that have proper discussion of them.
>Bullshit. You probably spend your time in those "post 1 page threads".
lolno try again
Once upon a time they did some quality stuff.a
At least they're better than Gainax now.
Kill la Kill is a 6/10 at best.
>anything lower than 9
5/10 is average, I'm not even sure KLK is above average
SHAFT is able to create incredibly unique visuals even when they have no budget. Trigger just falls flat on its face as we can see with KlK
>Full Metal Panic!
>NHK ni Yōkoso!
Gonzo is GOAT
I think 6 is being generous.
Okay, I get fansub arguments because they matter a little bit but studios? Really?
Because everyone knows Xebec is king.
>mediocre character design and development
>mediocre fight scenes
>actually pretty good ost in fairness to it
KlK is mediocre as fuck, 6/10 is generous
>Ruining a great manga
Seriously though, watch this:
>MC and Chitoge are from opposing crime families
>MC and Chitoge pretend to date to prevent their respective crime families from fighting
>MC has a locket given to him by someone he thinks is his one true love
>Chitoge, Onodera, and some other chick have keys that might go to the locket.
>MC and Onodera like each other, Chitoge fell for MC
I just summarized all the plot developments in the past 105 chapters of this series, and by far most of those developments came in like the first 30 chapters.
Only good shows there.
>caring about the anime of a manga
>caring about anime at all
Breaking my heart here, /a/
How do so many girls have keys of their own?
>caring about Vocaloid shit
Nope, they're still going down the shitter.
I can't believe I share this board with such faggots.
This. At least Shaft made the show pretty to look at.
Is this thread fucking real?
The manga art looks like shit and I don't even know what this is from.
Go eat from a public toilet.
Also I really dislike Ika Musume. Its shit.
Childhood friends of the MC, otherwise we know nothing.
It boggles my mind how people aren't sick of SHAFT's style of anime. They do it for every fucking show. It's so tiresome and excessive that I can't stand watching their shows any more. Madoka was the only show they've done since the first ef that I could actually watch to completion.
Shaft is just a bunch of exterior and interior designers who couldn't get a job as a house modeller.
I learned on /a/ that if there's not plot progression it becomes automatically shit, so I also stopped liking GJ-bu.
>implying Trigger isn't just a shitty knock off version of Gainix
And they don't do a single thing better
Don't forget the author decided to add another 2 girls into his harem.
That's because you have shit taste. Don't worry though, you're not alone.
I used to like all the directing and visual quirks found in Shaft shows but these days it's pretty boring for most of the part. It was pretty tiresome in Nekomonogatari and Monogatari S2. I find Nisekoi's to be rather agreeable though for some reason.
SHAFT fags are delusional. Kyoani is and always will be better.
Granted, but they're useless side characters added for the sake of useless shenanigans. They're for filler.
And the past 70 chapters or so has been just pure filler.
I feel like Shinbo blew his artistic load on Madoka and just does the same shit in monogatari because it'll sell no matter what.
This thread is pretty fucking awful, but since I feel like writing I might as well give a round of unsubstantiated OPINIONS.
Best studios right now are definitely Madhouse and IG. They've won the most awards out of everyone else, and for a good reason too. They excel at just about everything they do, from avant-garde artsy productions such as Sky Crawlers and GitS to your run-of-the-mill manga adaptations like Chihayafuru and Genshiken. Even when constrained by a small budget they still outdo every other studio in terms of quality.
Sunrise comes in second because they stopped being good after 2000. I mean, Bebop, Infinite Ryvius and Dirty Pair are obviously masterpieces, but they haven't done anything good past 2000 except Nichibros. I'm not a mechafag so I can't comment too much on Gundam.
Out of the more commercialized studios, I believe that SHAFT is head and shoulders above JCStaff and KyoAni, mainly because of Shinbo. Despite what many people say about Shinbo being a sell-out, he is actually very experimental in his approaches meaning that his shows are either masterpieces (Madoka, Bake) or utter failures (Natsu no Arashi, S@sami). Definitely one of the most talented directors in Japan right now. KyoAni has suffered from a lack of direction post K-ON and their releases are no more than eye candy without any real substance (e.g. Chuu2). JCStaff has produced some seriously good shows here and there (H&C, Toradora) but they suffer from mediocrity. A studio that never takes risks will never be tier 1.
Lastly you have all the other studios that range from decent to mediocre -- DEEN, Brain's Base, etc. Ordet is joke thanks to Yamakan and as we all know WUG will get nowhere. Ghibli isn't listed here since TV anime is what is being discussed, although I think extremely highly of Ghibli and I hope Miyazaki keeps on making anime about environmentalism til he dies of old age.
Shinbo needs a genius (Nisio, Kumeta) behind for make gold. Except Urobutcher. The rest is poor in sales.
You will never see Soremachi S2
>thinking Shinbo is anything more than a hack that forces his style on every Shaft show
>You will never see Soremachi S2
I never understood you retards. Soremachi ended perfectly, what more could you want?
>A studio that never takes risks will never be tier 1
Trigger takes risk and they do it very well
adapt the entire manga
>The rule that every thread on /a/ is shit, with ones that aren't being rare exceptions.
There is no such rule.
>No, it isn't. If you only stick to the minority of manga threads that even HAVE proper discussion of them, then its usually of equal quality to the minority of anime threads that have proper discussion of them.
No you pleb let me explain why manga threads are better.
1. More people watch anime than read manga. In fact most people don't even read manga. Because of this more people will discuss anime.
2. Less people discuss manga which leads to less shitposting and better discussion.
3. When a manga gets an anime adaption, animefags will lower the quality of discussion by calling something they've never read shit. Manga threads will turn into anime threads. (see SnK).
4. Manga that is barely read will not get proper discussion since nobody reads it.
I liked their Saki more than the current studio. Quality aside, they handled NHK well. SnH was great all around. Other than those, meh. They've been pretty shit.
I want people to write proper English on /a/ but we can't have everything, can we?
Both of those were good.
no amigo, recuerda que más del 25% de /a/ son hispanos
>madhouse adapting the most generic and unbelievable series in the past few years called mahou sensou
thanks for giving me a good laugh
25% too much, Pedro.
We need sauce
did you really use a frame that's clearly a picture to show artist quality? (#8 on the right)
using short choppy animation loops. failing to get basic acceleration and inbetweening right. opting at all available opportunities to substitute actual animation with flashing short shots of intermediate action with minimal moving parts, or straight up reangling things to avoid having mouths or other distinguishing or moving features in frame. The over emphasis of backgrounds and set pieces that aren't the focus of the actual scene. Redesigning all simple buildings and other architectural structures like random statues to look like a Frank Lloyd Wright fanboy threw up. Recycling their contextless relf reference "jokes." Head tilt. Excessive use of gradients and shitty vector art where not necessary. All the other hallmarks of faux art house style where none of the composition, color choice, or any other mechanical aspects of the piece actually have intent or meaning in it, just there as spectacle to distract from the poor construction.
The thing that bothers me most about SHAFT works is that I never come away with any sense of location. It feels like all the events happen in ambiguous disconnected subspaces. Even in normal locations, the geometry is too simplistic or uncanny to seem real.
I like it.
I'm with OP on this kind of. Give me my generic rom-com/harem setting. This didn't really need changing.
>inb4 shit taste
Certain things work and others don't. Arakawa and Bakemonogatari are some of my favorite shows but I don't want this formula for everything
The real life version is always so much more dreary looking.
Seems like most of those pictures were taken when it was cloudy/raining for some reason
japan real i tiny isn't it?
It's only the size of california, but it's got 3 times the population density
Real life is not as saturated as animation nor are there cute girls in the frame.
Nisekoi is shit adaptation. Too bad, Shinbo both ruins the manga and wastes SHAFT resources that could be used on something else.
>better than Bake
It's failed at that already. It can still try for "better than Hidamari"
Nisekoi wasn't good to begin with
But what have they done good lately?
They seem to have got past that with Hidamari, but that is likely due to familiarity because of how long they've been working with that series' location and settings.
Since adaptation is shit. It feels disjointed and loosing the humour appeal. The visuals are ok at some places, but it just does not feel right.
And here comes this troll again.
I feel so bad for the troll.
He is trying to prove so hard that the anime is worse than the manga. Although the anime is a completly different league than the manga.
The manga doesn't deserve such treatment, so much better is the anime.
>How do so many girls have keys of their own?
SHAFT MADE SCHOOL DAYS?
yeah I can agree with that
When I saw Onodera I thought Punpun got an anime adaption. Damnit OP