Archer is best Type-Moon girl
>best Type-Moon girl
That's not how you spell Sion, Anon
That's not how you spell Rider.
>Not knowing the perfection that is Archer
Onlt one can be be the bestserker
EMIYA's a manslut.
Actual best Type Moon girl coming through
Not even the best Archer, forget TM girl.
Clearly the best girl. I even have the Gilgamesh official dakimakura, no homo.
Oh, can we play a round of best Servant by class?
Prototype or Nero
Lancelot, although all Berserkers are olev
No, best Seiba is original flavor Seiba.
Even this Berserker?
>Not Cu Chulainn
Step it up, anon
Original flavor Seiba is good, but Prototype and Nero are really really good.
Not the most bombastic, not the most vibrant, not the most breasts, not the best lines in the game, not the most interesting of abilities, not the most interesting to be around.
She's pretty much losing all over the place to Nero
She's alright but not olev
Cu is wonderful, but Enkidu is in another league
Enkidu probably qualifies for everything but Berserker, Caster, or maybe Assassin. After all his body is literally every weapon, and he has Gilgamesh comparable stats at least
The appeal of Enkidu is not in the powerlevels, but in the personality and backstory.
Should be Seigfriend
Zero assassin is the best assassin 100 attempts at killing the masters
i'll leave this one because im not sure how strong achilles is at the moment
They are the purest, unlike wormslut
Sasaki Kojiro (assassin a shit)
most of the non-F/SN Servants are shit in comparison, except Casters, as Medea is horrible
>going by powerlevels and not personality
Don't be a faggot.
He qualifies for Berserker, Gil himself nearly shits himself at the thought in fate/fake.
>going by powerlevels and not personality
>Best berserker in his post
F/SN's Servant lineup is horrible compared to F/Z if we're going by how good they are as characters.
Same person but she was more interesting in F/Z.
Gil is a million times more entertaining than EMIYA.
Both are good, Cu's more fun but Deermud is more in line with the idea of a Heroic Spirit.
Nobody cares about Assassin but F/Z's Assassins were a way neater concept than the snorefest that was Kojiro.
Medea is fucking horrible and Bluebeard is a treasure.
Medusa has no personality whatsoever. Iskander stomps her in every conceivable way but powerlevel bullshit, which nobody over the age of 12 gives a fuck about.
They're actually about equal.
F/SN's Servants are so fucking overrated bar Cu and Heracles.
All I know is that Gil and Cu are the best servants.
Gawain is best Saber.
>Deermuids more in line
according to Nasu if he hadn't have met Saber , Kaynesth would have convinced him to go hit and run with Buidhe
His ideology is still a lot more in line with something you'd expect from a hero, ideally.
Medusa is the bookish type, worries about her height in the original game when Shirou brings it up, has fantasies about Saber taking her by force in the night, the types of video games she's best at are VNs, she's got the slight awkwardness like when Shirou asks her to not say his name "Like Saber", would save one person rather than the world, is very similar to Sakura as they even went through the same sort of thing in the past, Bi-sexual predator leaning a bit closer to lesbian, and has a practical or slightly sadistic outlook in a way despite possibly being more of an M.
Those who think she has no personality are those who never really looked. It helps to pick the options in HF that actually have to do with her, like when given a choice who to talk to in the afternoon pick "I wonder what Rider is doing", or when asked what you think of Rider when Sakura asks remember to say "I'm actually very into her".
Why is Archer so brown when Shirou isn't?
Cu is more of a hero, more renowned of a hero as well, but he's just got a slightly off-putting personality if you just met him. If you can look past it at all like Bazett then it's not hard to see why the guy is a knight worthy of such recognition.
>Iskander stomps her in every way.
i can only imagine how she'd be if she has anyone other than sakura as her master. But Cybele is an insta kill against anyone with lower than B mana, so Iskander would be stoned straight away.
Yet despite all this, she's still a boring motherfucker.
Queen of England is best Rider.
Iskander is good too.
Medusa s shit.
No one cares.
Iskander is the biggest bro.
Medusa is fine, but she's not close.
Did you even play F/SN? I have no idea what you're trying to say about Assassin, Caster, and Rider. They had their fair share of scenes that get the player to empathize with them.
>Gil is a million times more entertaining than EMIYA
No way in hell, especially how he is portrayed in F/Z. Add in CCC and maybe, but just being super powerful and thinking he is tough shit is boring as fuck.
>Both are good, Cu's more fun but Deermud is more in line with the idea of a Heroic Spirit.
He is an NTRing faggot, and a whiny one at that. Who even cares about whether or not he fits the idea of a heroic spirit. Cu is a million times better than him.
>Assassins were a way neater concept than the snorefest that was Kojiro.
Concept =/= Character. Assassin was boring as fuck in F/Z. Kojiro at least had the whole thing tragic thing how everything he has ever done in life has been forgotten and attributed to Kojiro, and that even if he were to win the war the wish would be granted to Kojiro, not him. Plus he has an actual personality.
>Medusa has no personality whatsoever. Iskander stomps her in every conceivable way but powerlevel bullshit, which nobody over the age of 12 gives a fuck about.
I do admit I prefer Rider, but they are about equal. If you think she has no personality you need to reread HF.
Lancelot is a faggot. The winter forest scene alone beats everything Lancelot does in the entirety of F/Z.
I didn't say he wasn't worthy of being called a knight, I just said Diarmuid typically fits the idea of a Heroic Spirit more than Cu does. His little speeches about chivalry and a knight's honor are quintessentially heroic, whereas Cu is a bit of an alternate take on a hero. They're both great guys.
Not really, he only shows that towards Saber.Meanwhile Cu treats everyone equally
>They had their fair share of scenes that get the player to empathize with them.
Having fight scenes does not make them interesting or empathetic. They're all terrible characters easily bested by their F/Z counterparts.
>Not really, he only shows that towards Saber.
>What is the Mion River battle
>No one cares
>Rather than summon a smoking woman who has shown nothing but loyalty to her original master. I'd rather summon some alpha male to help me get over my beta issues.
>She's hot so she's a better character
This is why Medusafaggots are the worst.
CCC Gilgamesh is best Gilgamesh
Guy just wants humanity to flourish, but sometimes they stray from that course, so he'll play the role of North Wind and test them to make them stronger. However upon MC being the kind of guy he can talk about with some small pride he was a very accommodating guy in a way.
>Immature planet, he says!
>Truly, what astounding gall coming from a mongrel!
>But very good, it is indeed the truth!
>Though the planet nears its final years,
>the history of humanity is yet in its youth.
>After all, it produced that brazen fool there.
>It certainly cannot be anywhere close to adulthood.
>The slothful humans
>have yet to become capable of proving their worth.
>Thus―――-the time of judgment is not now.
>In the first place, how farcical for the observer of
>some rock to debate the law of the universe!
>It is you who should tone down your impudence.”
>“I speak of genesis.
>The elements intermix, coalesce,
>and bring forth the stars that forge all of creation.
>Know now the apex of the Truth.
>I shall show you that which I acknowledge as truly golden.
>The hidden prototype.
>sing its praises in your death throes, foul noise......!”
Power of the same order as mine.
>Not even on the verge of death
>would the king show his primordial form.
>“However, this is a sovereign rite that my mongrel
>had put his life on the line to perform.
>Who but I will answer his offering?”
>“If the malice enveloping this place
>is that of all the world, that is most convenient.
>Heed this, all those that be.
>“This man is my contractee.
>Know that you will never lay a finger on
>Kishinami Hakuno without my permission!”
>not wanting to watch Patton and discuss military history
(Plus he's a master of comedy)
>“What? You mean to say that you don’t have another repository?
>This scanty, shabby, shoddy, sorry sight is truly the entirety of your wealth?”
It is indeed.
The poor man has no choice but to make do with these sorry savings, Your Majesty.
>…............…............Not good, I sense tears welling in my eyes............
>Is this the fated condition of the so-called 'broke student'?”
I-is this really something worth crying over?!
I sense a wave of utterly unwarranted and unprecedented sympathy......!
>“I am sorry. Having inexhaustible wealth, I do not quite understand the concept of poverty.
>Thus, I know not the cure to your grief......
>Forgive me, Hassan.
>And stay back. I do not wish to catch poverty.”
This guy leaves me with no choice but to sue for slander―――!
......And what’s a Hassan?
>“Have you not heard? The most hapless of all Servants;
>misfortune, thy name is Hassan.
>Well, more importantly, it was a pun about your financial state.”
>“You see――― Hassan hassan’t a penny to his name! *
>Very well, you are now permitted to laugh.
>Is it not a saying of your country that ‘good fortune comes to the merry’?”
Like anyone would laugh at such a ridiculously bad pun―――!
Then explain why you would summon iskander over medusa. Up above you were annoyed over the whole powerlevel shenanigans so we'll assume that their both powerless.
I was also more entertained by Gil in Zero than I was with Emiya. Neither Archers are that much more amazing than the other, though, in my opinion.
I never got around to finishing the novels, but was Lancelot's character ever properly developed?
I liked Gil a lot more at first, considering his flashy character design and overall haughtiness. He gets boring quite fast though.
>“Have you not heard? The most hapless of all Servants;
>you will never impregnate your completely loyal 10/10 servant
why do i even live
SHIKI is best Type-moon boy
The problem with F/SN's Servants is that so few of them had meaningful story arcs the way F/Z's Servants did.
Medusa was just kind of there whenever she needed to be and that was it, while Alexander had a very touching, well-rounded story with a clear beginning and end with Waver. Cu was great fun and charming, but he didn't have an overarching story that brought him and another character from point A to point B in a meaningful way. Again, he was just kind of there to do his thing and that was it. Medea was another one who didn't really have some awesome connection with another well-written character to elevate who she was and ultimately change her, there was just some backstory and her pulling off villain shenanigans here and there. Gilles on the other hand had incredible chemistry with Ryuunosuke and both of them were brought to a conclusion that had meaningful impact on each character. And so on and so forth.
F/Z's Servants on the whole just flowed better from a storytelling standpoint. Being able to isolate certain traits of characters who never really moved from point A to point B is fine and dandy, but you have to realize that a story to tie everything together is going to have a lot more integrity than a collection of traits by themselves.
>best Type-Moon girl
You guys really need to stop joking around like this. It isn't funny anymore. You're hurting my feelings.
>Same person but she was more interesting in F/Z.
You mean a dragged-on version of the same thing she's going through in FSN, sans the resolution?
>Both are good, Cu's more fun but Deermud is more in line with the idea of a Heroic Spirit.
Diarmuid is a faggot who shat on his oath full out and enjoyed the benefits until it bit him in the ass, and is trying to wash away his guilt by trying to act like the knight he never was.
>Nobody cares about Assassin but F/Z's Assassins were a way neater concept than the snorefest that was Kojiro.
You mean Hassan. Are you even aware there's a True Assassin? And how is Kojirou boring?
>Medea is fucking horrible
In what way?
>Medusa has no personality whatsoever.
Ah. You've never actually read FSN, didn't you? That explains all the rest, you have no idea Hassan appears, have no clue what Kojirou is like and think Rider is a throwaway villain.
>Having fight scenes does not make them interesting or empathetic.
Who's talking about fight scenes alone? Wait, are you an anime-only fag?
Medusa's story arc was that she was the same as Sakura, but you don't find out the depth of that until Ataraxia where you find out how she killed her sisters and became a monster, so she chose to stick up for Sakura and see her through this even if the world turned against her. Cu's story arc is also in Ataraxia as you learn about how his original master was ganked, the bond they shared, and come to understand Lancer's pain and the anger he had towards Kotomine that was only fulfilled in UBW.
Some of it just wasn't shown to the proper degree which is why it was expounded upon later, but the groundwork was all there. Now all they need to do in FSN remake is include it all in the show itself. Include Medusa seeing herself in Sakura, and include Lancer watching his master die while being unable to do anything.
Of course I'm aware of Hassan. I didn't bring him up because the poster I was replying to didn't.
I actually rather like Hassan, but Kojiro left no impression upon me. I had no meaningful takeaway from him being part of the story. He taught me nothing. He was there and then he wasn't. That was simply it.
Medea was the same. I took away nothing from her being part of F/SN.
Same story with Medusa.
>Now all they need to do in FSN remake is include it all in the show itself
That'd be great, but I really doubt it. They'll probably pressed for time enough as it is without including stuff that wasn't in the original VN.
You've been asked the same question like four times already and you keep dodging it: did you read the VN? Because if you haven't, that invalidates everything you've said.
You're one to talk, peasant.
So what were your "meaningful takeaways" from the Servants in F/Z?
>Medusa's story arc was that she was the same as Sakura,
But this wasn't a story arc. It's something you infer as you learn more about her, but there is no overarching story tying her and Sakura together as similar characters. Same with Cu. I can't speak on F/HA, I never played it, I'm talking about F/SN's presentation of its Servant lineup vs. F/Z. There just wasn't the same cohesiveness.
Yes, I've read the VN. I've read Fate route once, UBW once, and HF twice. I plan to re-play the game in its entirety soon.
Before I start, do you fully intend to read the wall of text that's going to result from you asking this? Because I'd rather not go into it if it's going to go ignored.
If Servants are copies of heroes stored on the throne of heroes, aren't they fakes?
Doesn't that mean that Gilgamesh is fake too?
Aren't all the weapons he has summoned with him fakes too?
tl;dr Gilgamesh a faker
Just do it faggot.
Pretty true, Luvia is at least as far above Rin as Rin is above Sakura. Even Rin knows this much considering she feels inferior to this high class bitch quite often.
But anon, I like Luvia more than Rin
Sure, I've got nothing better to do. I'm a fan of the series, so I wouldn't be against learning something new about the characters.
As for your complaining about arcs, I think the reason for that is because the F/Z is written in third-person, whereas it would be difficult to describe other Master/Servant pairs in detail in F/SN.
>there is no overarching story tying her and Sakura together as similar characters
That's wrong in and of itself, but it seem it seems like you're under the delusion that characterization means "being joined at the hip with someone." That is imbecilic. Why the fuck would any character need their characterization to be sewn into another to have their own presence? Medea has her own shit, as do Kojirou and Hassan.
>Yes, I've read the VN. I've read Fate route once, UBW once, and HF twice. I plan to re-play the game in its entirety soon.
So what in the world are you talking about Saber being "more interesting" in Zero, Medea being "horrible" or Medusa having no character?
Lancer's story in Ataraxia is rather crucial, and how it ties in can mean a lot.
I don't know why they don't dfo a nasu-verse adaptation of the legends.
Season 1+ 2 - Age of the gods- herc medea and co
Seaon 2+3 Celtic shenanigans Cu, Derrmuid, Fioon, Fergus, Medb, Coon
Season 4 Knights of the round table
Seaons 5+6+7 rise and fall of rome.
the series is a goldmine, i didn't even bring in Karna and co
There's not much to say here. I liked the Hundred for their concept and the mechanics surrounding them, but they had nothing in the way of an overarching story.
At the risk of sounding pretentious, I can't help seeing Gil and Kotomine's story as a more detailed look at the exchange between Eve and the snake. In the original tale of Adam and Eve, you'll notice the snake writes itself out of its own story: once Eve is convinced to taste the forbidden fruit, the snake has gone and slithered off into obscurity, but Gil on the other hand is happy to stay and encourage Kotomine to flirt with sin to his heart's content. Their exchanges and Kotomine's subsequent spiral into what he'd previously denied himself not only offer a perspective I found to be uniquely engaging, but served a number of thematic purposes, such as creating a foil for Ryuunosuke's wanton engagement in the forbidden and Kiritsugu's struggle with his own compulsions.
Rider's story is one I'd consider by far the most personally uplifting of the bunch. It comes to the audience in the form of a solidly constructed tale of strength, friendship, and courage. To name a scene that particularly stuck with me, I was quite personally affected by the passage detailing Waver's methods of tracking Team Caster.
There's two Assassins in FSN, and True Assassin did get more characterization than Hundred Faces.
Can you fucking read? They're talking about F/Z's servants and what their takeaway was from each one.
>At the risk of sounding pretentious, I can't help seeing Gil and Kotomine's story as a more detailed look at the exchange between Eve and the snake.
There's nothing pretentious about noticing something that the original text blatantly points out.
>Gazing at Archer's expression, Kirei suddenly felt a sense of déjà vu. Yes — that was depicted in the illustrations of the Bible, the expression of the snake of Eden.
Ah right, suppose I meant this post earlier>>100509308
When this conversation all started started, both Hassans have sort of the same intrigue, but Hassan1 has a bit more depth and his ability isn't too bad. Sure Hundred personalities isn't too bad either, but it would improve his ranking a bit more if he was more than just a neat ability and you actually got to see something else there. Meanwhile with other Hassan he's got a sort of neat ability even if it doesn't make sense all the time, but he's also a coward with no face who seeks immortality in order to prove his existence despite not even really being someone since he has no face any longer. Koujirou as well, he was given a lot more characterization than both of them, but it's rare to see anyone really call him a favorite at all.
Zero Rider > Fate Rider
Not really because Fate Rider sucks or anything, but because Zero Rider is simply amazing. He's the most entertaining character in the show, and he's also hugely influential on Saber and therefore the FSN plotline in a way that Medusa just can't really compare to.
Gil is kind of nice in Zero but in FSN he's just a dickweed and overall fucking irritating, so he gets penalized pretty hard there.
While Waver considered his technique to be unsightly in its simplicity, Rider took the opportunity to laud him for it, saying that a simple means of reaching the desired results suggests a greater genius than that of complicated methods to do the very same. This isn't one of their more iconic moments, no, but Rider's perspective is one that's often hard to keep sight of when the reader can sympathize with Waver's tendency for self-doubt and deprecation.
To be perfectly forthcoming, I love Saber dearly, but her story isn't one that resounds with me on a personal level. My preference for her in Zero has purely to do with how she functions in relation to the cast surrounding her. Her dynamic with Iri in particular is one of my favorites; I appreciated that quiet underlying current of sadness even in their more lighthearted exchanges.
I'm hesitant to bring up her role in the King's Banquet for the arguments that tend to arise from it, but the scene as a whole was of F/Z's finest. I maintain that no King was wrong nor right, only different in their methodology and belief system, Saber included.
The purest and the cutest
I started playing the VN, is it worth finishing, cause I remember dropping the anime before it finished.
The VN is infinitely better than the anime.
Is it not the same story?
I find that Caster and Ryuunosuke's story is one that continually goes criminally underrated, as it functions not just as a dark streak of humor through it all, but as a clever bit of commentary on joy being found in the strangest of places. Without Gilles, Ryuunosuke would never have found that his ultimate happiness was always something near to him in a form he'd never stopped to consider: he'd never wanted to kill, he wanted to die.
I'm confident that there's no need to expand upon the chemistry shared between Gilles and his Master, but it does bear mentioning that a number of their exchanges were second to none in how successfully quirky they managed to be. A murder duo is hard to pull off convincingly, let alone so charismatically, but Gilles and Ryuunosuke manage with flying colors.
I've only ever seen one person on /a/ comment upon this, yet it's the absolute most important thing about Lancelot's role in F/Z. You have to look to Kariya, and perhaps the Fate franchise as a whole to see just what was so profound about Lancelot.
See, part of the draw of Fate is the boundless potential for the relationship between a Servant and their Master. I wouldn't hesitate to say it's one of the franchise's main strengths and one of the keys to its wild success.
(Continued. Almost done, I fucking swear.)
First route is the most boring, but if you can make it past that then it's mostly gold
It's less than 1/3rd of the same story, and poorly handled at even that in various ways.
The story of FSN is split up between three routes that must be read as each a piece of the real story. Each piece of the story will tell you something new, and will change how you saw everything before that point.
The anime is an extremely butchered version of the first (and weakest) route.
She seriously needs more porn.
Explains a lot. So far it's just fucking tedious and generic as all hell and it's hard to motivate myself to continue it.
>correct on the second post
There's one doujinshi with Nero and Elizabeth as Futanari is involved.
First route mainly sets in the ground work, but the action is lacking, too much explanations, some things feel plain cheap, and it feels like you didn't really get to know most of the cast who died. Then comes the second route, as you realize it's a completely different sort of story as it takes place involving the same events but this time around Fate took a different road and because of this everything changed. Then all of a sudden those characters you didn't know before are the focus more, the things that felt unexplained earlier are given more attention and explanation to make sense of them, and it all starts coming together. Third route flips the entire scenerio upside down and throws it at a wall as the entire war goes insane in the first couple days as everyone starts dying. The real truth is finally known to you, shit you thought you know before is now backwards, and everyone is brought to their limits as the story of the past comes full circle in some ways.
I had a hard time getting through the Fate route myself, but I loved Rin (and Archer) in UBW. Although I'm not a fan of Sakura, the story in HF is top tier.
Now, about Kariya. We all know that F/Z was not by any means kind to poor Kariya, who caught exactly one break throughout the nonstop shitshow that was his life. He left the Matou family to try and pursue a better life, ended up finding out that his absence was filled by someone who should not have had any part of the cruelty that made him leave in the first place, returned in the hopes of liberating Sakura from what she had wrongfully been caught up in, endured over a year of tortures too disgusting and bizarre to ponder for any extended length of time, and died without having achieved what he'd so hoped to do. And that is only a basic summary of the hardships Kariya was subjected to.
Yet in all that cruelty, perhaps the saddest thing of all was that Kariya was denied a meaningful connection with his Servant. He is the only Master in any major Fate work to be so isolated in his situation that not even his Servant was in a place to reach out to him, to listen to him, to commiserate with him, to try and save him from his ruin. Lancelot's role is profound not in the ways that he's there for Kariya, but rather the astonishing effects of his absence where he was needed the most. That's why I consider him an equal to Herc, whose storyline with Ilya was touching in the extreme: because he showed us by counterexample how devastating it is for a Master to be utterly without someone they can connect to in a situation as trying as the Holy Grail War.
Completely agree! Arturia strongest!
Did Shirou rub some of Saber's DNA into Rin's pussy when he fucked her, then some of Saber's and Rin's DNA into Sakura when he fucked her?
>Although I'm not a fan of Sakura, the story in HF is top tier.
Very true. Ilya plays a very big role in that route and it's contains one of the biggest climax of Fate. Although it would've been a lot more enjoyable if the early to mid sections were filled with a little less Sakura, who I just don't find very interesting.
So Rider is definitely interested in sex every now and again? Does she get horny if she doesn't have it after a while?
What's with all the Sakura hate?
It's not a Fate thread if there's no Sakura hate around, also
>Implying HF Normal isn't best end
I like her sister better.
I doubt that anybody's still reading this bullshit, so I'll skip Lancer.
In conclusion, these are the reasons I consider F/Z's Servant lineup to be far more effective in their contributions to the story than their F/SN counterparts. I could play F/SN 500 times and not have nearly as much to say about what these Servants teach me from a thematic standpoint, because most of them weren't afforded the luxury of a proper storyline to carry them through. Does this probably have to do with F/SN being Shirou's story rather than having an ensemble cast like F/Z? I don't doubt that it does. But as things stand, I can't in good conscience say that F/SN's Servants left me with the same impact and thoughtfulness that F/Z's did. They just didn't. Plain and simple.
She fucks Shirou in a dream in HF to get some mana, and for enjoyment. Does it again in Atarxia before Shirou turns it around on her a bit.
She does want it, but she doesn't want to betray Sakura in some way. But it doesn't count if it's in a dream, right?
I dislike the Tohsakas.
Saber also a shit.
Why is Shirou's harem so inferior to Shiki's?
>Rider fucks Shirou in HF
When did this happen? Was it his dream of fucking Tohsaka at school?
Rider's kind of a bitch
I'd be pissed if I had a Servant I thought was a bro but went and deliberately fucked my waifu multiple times in dreamland instead of leaving her alone
>Not filled with shit waifus
Only good one there is Hisui
This is a relief. It was embarrassing writing all that and not being 100% sure if the actual story was alluded to canonly or not.
I think the difference is in the writing strengths and weaknesses of Nasu and Urobutcher. Nasu can world build like no other, and his concepts are fantastic. However, the actual execution tends to fall short. Urobutcher, if given a structure, can generate great character interaction and development, though often twisted. But his concepts aren't as vivid and varied as Nasu's.
>Does this probably have to do with F/SN being Shirou's story rather than having an ensemble cast like F/Z?
But doesn't the prologue of the LN state that it's Kerry's story?
Shiki's harem is crazier, that's for sure.
It is Kerry's story, but it does still have an ensemble cast and ultimately isn't told from his POV in the way F/SN is. Volume One is titled "The Untold Story of the Fourth Holy Grail War", after all, so there's wiggle room for everybody.
>He became Seiba's "SHEATH"
>Got penetrated by Gay Bulge
He became a manslut the moment Kerry found him.
>I think the difference is in the writing strengths and weaknesses of Nasu and Urobutcher. Nasu can world build like no other, and his concepts are fantastic. However, the actual execution tends to fall short. Urobutcher, if given a structure, can generate great character interaction and development, though often twisted. But his concepts aren't as vivid and varied as Nasu's.
I remember thinking the same thing after I had read the LN. I found it kind of sad that Urobuchi in my opinion) wrote a better HGW than the author that created the concept in the first place.
Wormslut a best, Anus a bitch. Saber's cool
>I found it kind of sad that Urobuchi in my opinion) wrote a better HGW than the author that created the concept in the first place.
I agree and I've wondered if Nasu ever felt bad/embarrassed about it. He says he sees Urobuchi as a god so he probably agrees with this standpoint at the very least. At least Nasu did a good job with CCC from what anons have said.
However the concept of a Holy Grail War and some of the ideas presented in the story were probably better than a lot of what Urobuchi could come up with himself, which is why it's a team
However even then Nasu co-wrote a lot of Zero, and even Urobuchi said that Nasu had a lot of that shit in place already. He also had the abilitiy to axe any idea he didn't care for, like Urobuchi's idea of having one of Assassins personalities stick around as a loli and join team Rider, and then Waver would have to kill it eventually or something.
Wow, I very rarely see someone admit that they like Sakura and Saber.
Pretty much this. People tend to overrate Gen and think that he does all of the work. Even in Madoka, people attribute the 2deep4u shit and Faustian themes to him undeservedly.
If Archer is best girl, then that means best girl summoned best girl.
Is being best girl considered something that binds the two together, and thus increasing the chance of them coming together for the war?
>Urobuchi's idea of having one of Assassins personalities stick around as a loli and join team Rider, and then Waver would have to kill it eventually or something.
Not that guy, but Sakura is my favorite with Saber taking second place if I had to rank the three main girls.
I like all of them. I fucking hate Shinji and Zouken
I thought it was Caster that turned into a loli, but it was decided that the loli quota was already filled by the German.
You can just ignore any post where the poster still uses the Urobutcher phrase because it is an obvious Genfag posting and the type of Genfag who gives Gen credit for everything when Gen wasn't the person responsible for the Faust connections in Madoka or the literary references in Psycho Pass but someone else.
Same here. I don't dislike any of them, though.
Nasu took Urobuchi's version of Gilgamesh and improved it even further with CCC, and then made it so that FSN Gilgamesh was chaotic because being a sort of incarnated human caused his human blood to boil which accounted for his hot headedness there that we don't see as much of in Zero.
It's getting more obvious with time, but Nasu has been improving a lot as a writer these days. People judge him for FSN or Tsukihime thinking he's still just that guy, but the guy is making some strides here. A lot of the concepts are probably still the same in a way, like the insane shit we know him for, such as a normal human beating a super werewolf because he threw such a perfect punch that the werewolf just failed every single luck or initiative roll and basically imploded. Also the incarnation of all human lust that fucks the planet and orgasms her opponent to death. But that's what he's known for, and it's more about him getting better at getting these concepts across in ways that honestly are showing more experience now.
Conversely though, a lot of people act like Urobuchi was just kind of there jotting everything down that Nasu said when he brought a lot to the table. It was a team effort that turned out great and that's what matters, we don't have to jab and discredit either contributor when the end result was so good.
I agree. Archer is absolutely the best.
Why is he so fabulous?
Maybe if he put out another major piece of work instead of a short thing like Mahoyo people would actually look at his modern style instead of him 10 years ago.
Type-Moon has practically coasted through the last decade.
The criticism is kind of a kneejerk reaction to the whole
>UROBUTCHER DOES IT AGAIN
Spam. Admittedly, nowadays I'm pressure it's just sarcasm or a reverse troll most of the time.
This. CCC is best Gilgamesh. He actually inspired me when I read through his secret garden and the conversations he has with MC. Damn, what an amazing person.
>f/sn came out 10 years ago
Except, Gen himself said he didn't have to think up any original ideas when working with Nasu on F/Z because Nasu had already done almost everything for him.
>How did you and Nasu Kinoko come together to create F/Z? In another interview, you mentioned about how writing F/Z took you out of a writer's block, so can you tell us about that?
>Urobuchi: I first met Nasu more than 10 years ago, when he was working on the Kara no Kyoukai Drama CD. That's when we first met and we've been very close friends since then. When I was with Nitroplus, yes, I came to a slump and I couldn't come up with any original stories for new visual novels so I went to Nasu to talk about it. In one of our discussions, we thought maybe if it was just about getting me to write, maybe I can work on someone else's pre-established work. That way I don't have to spend time thinking up of original ideas, but play around with someone else's concept and characters. That worked very well because it got me into writing again and working with other writers gave me new ideas for creating my own stories.
Makes you feel old right?
Not many entirely original works since then, but he's released at least five or more new works in that time.
Worked on All Apocrypha designs and story in the background but that project fell through at the end.
Worked on all the anime projects a bit, probably a bit of consulting there
Sure he hasn't released that major hit people have been waiting for since Fate, but the guy has been releasing more shit than most all VN creators in that time. It might not be the same sort of workload as a mangaka, or maybe it is, but he's been putting out shit at a decent rate while working on other things in the background at all times.
Zouken did nothing wrong
The problem with Butch is that his original characters suck, though he comes out with some shining pieces like Rider and Waver you get a lot of shit like Giles, Ryuu, Kayneth, etc.
That's not Jeanne, anon
>not liking Kayneth
So how would Rider react if Shirou said she's the most beautiful women he's ever seen? Would she still have kicked him out the School Window.
>Does it again in Atarxia before Shirou turns it around on her a bit.
Make it sound like a battle.
>'She's riding the hell out of me! I have to take this to doggy style before she makes me cum!'
Good man. Good taste.
I'm a virgin so I wouldn't know, but if he shags Saber and she cums all over his penis, then even if he showers, if he shags Rin soon after isn't he transferring some of saber's pussy juice from his dick to Rin's pussy?
>Why is Shirou's harem so inferior to Shiki's?
You must have holes for eyes. Arc, Ciel and Akiha want to kill each other for that Tohno gland.
You lost me
If I recall she starts the dream as a way of getting Shirou and Sakura together a bit, so she starts a fake threesome in his dreams. The Sakura isn't real there but she's convinced herself that it'll bring them together somehow. Like if he makes her appear in his dream he'll suddenly start thinking about her more, or maybe you don't know the Sakura isn't real at first. Then he projects Breaker Gorgon or something in the dream and projects her own desire which shows this is more something she wanted here, as she was just into it or liked him. So then I don't know, they finish having the threesome with dream Sakura.
I'm wondering whether the Fate ladies should be worried they've not received each other's germs with Shirou's penis as the carrier.
Alexander was already conceived by Nasu during F/SN development and one of the earliest TM popularity polls had Alexander on it even before F/Z was written because Nasu had already included an Alexander data profile in one of his complete materials databook.
Gen didn't choose for Alexander to be in F/Z. Nasu had already planned for Alexander to be part of a previous Grail war before F/Z.
Rin wouldn't mind Shirou fucking Seiba as long it's with her discretion or both of them fucking Seiba.
Sakura wouldn't share Shirou though.
how does gilgamesh ever lose?
Rin would be more jealous of Saber getting close to Shirou than Sakura would be of Rider. Although neither has proven to be that happy about either scenerio, and Rin really didn't like Shirou getting close in UBW Good end, but Sakura has shown a greater sort of closeness there would you could almost think "maybe", but at the same time "No".
None of them will share in the end, this is pretty much proven.
What if Fate series girls were all beautiful?
Even though Tohsaka is waifu.
I bet Rider is the tightest Fate girl.
Because he doesn't actually know how to wield his weapons
Luck is the power to overcome Fate. His luck is so high that he's overcome the absolute fate of victory each and every time. Also he's pretty hot headed ever since he incarnated and all, which occasionally makes him stupid