whats your favorite Miyazaki film?
mine's Howls Moving Castle
Mononoke was the first anime I ever watched I think. Has a special place in my heart.
Mononoke Hime and Kiki are the only good ones.
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind manga
Porco Rosso > Whisper of the Heart > Laputa > Kiki = Castle of Cagliostro > Nausicaa > Ponyo > Princess Mononoke > Spirited Away > Totoro > Howl's Moving Castle
Have not seen: Arriety, Up On Poppy Hill
Mononoke Hime is my favorite film.
Although I must admit I prefer Satoshi Kon.
Will there ever be a sequel to Porco Rosso?
The thing Miyazaki does is not even anime as said by himself, so try >>>/v/
>Howls Moving Castle
That movie was so fucking confusing.
Nausicaa is god tier but mononoke is fine too
It should be. Since it was started by a whole different crew. And then Miyazaki took over production halfway through when the project was falling apart. So its only technically half of a Miyazaki movie.
Also why there's massive swings in quality at certain stages in the movie. Like the scene where Howl finds the fallen star which feels totally Miyazaki, but then the whole first 1/3 the movie feels like someone else directed it.
Regardless of what an old fart might believe, you can't go around changing the meaning the words.
I hope not. The ending doesn't allow for a sequel, going 30 years into the future and establishing a set ending. I don't know why Miyazaki ever suggested making a sequel.
>but then the whole first 1/3 the movie feels like someone else directed it.
which was honestly the best part
whole story goes to shit once the time travel thing comes to play
Kiki's Delivery Service > all
why is totoro the most popular in japan?
I feel ripped off at the fact that totoro only appears for 10 minutes
Porco Rosso is god-tier
Everything else is just 'good'
Stop ranking Miyazaki films. Seriously, they're all great on their own. Coincidentally, I just watched Arrietty, I really recommend it, though it's not a Miyazaki, it's worthy of Ghibli.
Porco Rosso was one of the worst.
>why is totoro the most popular in japan?
Is it? What is your basis of most popular? Kiki, Mononoke and Ponyo all outsold it in the box office. Or are you going by merchandise or some other measurement?
As for one reason it might be so popular, is because it became a kind of modern day folk story. Something that is shown to entire generations of kids. Heck, I even saw a group of Japanese kids visiting America sing 'Sampo' and 'Tonari no Totoro' as part of a sister city program in the United States.
>I feel ripped off at the fact that totoro only appears for 10 minutes
I kind of feel relieved. Him and Neko-bus are rather creepy honestly. But the point of the movie isn't about Totoro. Its suppose to be about the kids accepting reality.
>But the point of the movie isn't about Totoro. Its suppose to be about the kids accepting reality.
Do they? For me there isn't any "point" to Totoro and it's probably not about kids learning to deal with the grim reality of life. To me, it's more about the acceptance of life in its scariness and wonder, and how a little bit of imagination can't hurt. It reminds me of Yotsuba.
A person can rank them and still like them all. As I do. I may have put Howl's on the bottom of my list, but that's more to do with the problems it had with production and having a sort of identity crisis at various parts of the movie. It just felt off.
But even the 'weakest' Miyazaki movie like Howl's is a high standard movie.
Seems like you're confusing names. The weakest one would be Ponyo.
Someday when you grow up and have kids, and realize that Ponyo was a movie aimed at those people, you'll like the movie more. Or you'll just forever be a bitter kid who thinks all movies should be action filled like Mononoke and Nausicaa.
There was no time travel in Howl's. I don't know where you got that from, but there wasn't. The movie was... kinda odd. Read the book; it's much better.
>Kiki's Delivery Service > all
*Except for Porco.
Personally I'd say the weakest is Spirited Away. It doesn't really go anywhere and the protagonist isn't all that likable.
It was aimed at very, very little children. It's a very narrow scope of enjoyment. I wouldn't have cared for it when I was a kid.
Spirited Away is one of the weakest, but definitely not the weakest. There was enough depth there to appeal to more than just babies.
>There was no time travel in Howl's.
He's probably referring to Sophie going through that door and seeing a vision of Howl's childhood and him meeting with Calcifer, then calling out to him and promising to meet him "in the future." That was definitely weird and I don't know if it was expanded more in the book. Time paradoxes confuse me, I'm not sure I understood that part very well.
>aimed at little children
yeah, I suppose that's why they have a 10 minute scene focused on a child having fun learning about the world, tasting food, playing with a bucket, learning how a light bulb works, how a washing machine works and etc...
Except it was aimed at the parents of young children, tugging at their heart strings. Once again, you didn't get it at all. Which isn't a bad thing. But you railing against the movie and blaming it for not being aimed at your market is as stupid as a child claiming Blade Runner is 'too deep and dark'.
>except for porco
you are correct, i cant believe i forgot about it
You're missing my point. The fact that it's aimed at small children makes it pretty shallow, namely in comparison to other Miyazaki films.
I think its closest comparison would be Totoro, and that does a much better job as being aimed at smaller children and their parents.
Also, I been watching these things since I was a little kid. Hell, my first memory is watching Totoro. That, and I have a firm grasp on what kinds of things I used to like, so even on a personal basis I can say Ponyo was pretty weak. I would not have liked it that much when I was a kid.
Allow me to elaborate:
The main weakness in Ponyo is the romantic interest. The age group that it's aimed at is all about avoiding the opposite sex for the most part. It's hard for those kids to connect to a large part of the story because the boys think the girls have cooties, and the girls think the boys are gross. There are exceptions, of course, I'm sure girls in their young teens enjoyed it, but that's even narrower.
Totoro, on the other hand, is about connecting to family. Instead of a magical fish girl, you have a pair of sisters and their parents, one of which is in the hospital. You also get a much better sense of tension in Totoro, which considering how it played out, even little kids could identify and connect with. Especially the part with the mother.
Demographic and opinion aside, Ponyo has very little sense of tension and drama, while Totoro gets pretty heavy at a certain point. This is very important to the depth and enjoyment of the movie. For another comparison, Ponyo would be like jingling keys infront of a baby and then hiding them for a moment before continuing to jingle. Totoro would be like a a good children's book that gives the kids a sense of drama and excitement because of it. I can't think of any good examples specifically as I'm not versed in childrens books.
>You're missing my point. The fact that it's aimed at small children makes it pretty shallow
And you'rte missing my point. Its not 'aimed at children'. I don't know how more plain I can make this for you. Its aimed at adults who HAVE children. Not THEIR CHILDREN.
Everything from the actions Ponyo and Fujimoto take to the plot of the movie itself to even the 'love interest' is done to envoke a reaction in PARENTS who have kids. Not the kids themselves.
Kids will find a marginal self-relation to this movie by putting themselves in the shoes of either Ponyo or Fujimoto and it being an 'adventure' story. Adults on the other hand will feel strong emotions watching the kids growing and doing child like things. And that's the market the movie is aimed at. The PARENTS.
>Demographic and opinion aside,
But every argument you've made has been focusing on how Ponyo is a movie aimed solely at kids. So your going to void your entire argument?
Miyazaki's main influence for Ponyo was a children's book.
The critics praise it for being an excellent children's movie.
>aimed at adults who have children
You could use that definition for any children's movie that is able to be watched by anyone but babies.
A good example would be Pixar movies as a whole. They're clearly children's movies, but your line of thinking could make them all be "aimed at adults who have children".
No. They're aimed at kids. Obviously they need to also appeal to their parents otherwise the parents couldn't be fucked to actually go watch them. But that doesn't make them any different than kids movies.
Your entire argument is based on something completely incorrect.
>all Pixar movies are chiuldrens movies
You need to learn the difference between 'Childrens movie' and 'General Audiences'. A movie is not just shoe-horned into one demographic just because a guy like you says so.
Pixar movies are the epitome of a movie that appeals to all age demographics. If only 'kids' were going to them, then they wouldn't be the top grossing movies of the year whenever they come out. Nor be frequented by 32 year old bachelors or 50 year old married couples without kids.
Your entire argument is based on stereotypes you heard online. Namely that certain movies can only be 'for kids'. I suppose you also think you can only buy games with an 'M' rating on them after you turn 18.
Doesn't change the fact that Ponyo is a kids movie.
Not to take either side of this "argument," but this is pretty interesting. Also made me want to rewatch Ponyo, at least.
>The main weakness in Ponyo is the romantic interest.
You realize he is pretty much destined to loose interest in her and she'll turn into sea foam and die like in the story right? He already forgot to kiss her just because his dad showed up and she had to take the initiative.
Like kids are going to read that far ahead.
Castle of Cagliostro. I've written the script for a video essay on it, I need to record and edit it sometime.
I fell in love with that female lead. Thanks a lot Miazaki, making me jelous of a pigman