How can anyone like this shit?
I was expecting something completely different from what I got, and it was fucking awful.
I can't fucking emphasize how the whole series screamed inconsistence throughout its episodes. Holy shit, it's been a fucking long time since I've regret watching something as bad as this was.
gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8
Eren is basically Shinji but with more rage and a fleshy robot.
>I don't like this opinion
Yeah, no. Fuck off, the series were all around inconsistent in every fucking way possible. WIth no character development whatsofuckingever, and just all around mediocre.
Read the manga.
Low powerlevel teenagers like it.
>fucking terrible dialogue
>pointless drama scenes
>edgy as fuck
And Ep1 had really grabbed me with the interesting premise and great animation. Wasted potential.
Well thank you for sharing your opinion, if you are serious would you like to talk about what you don't like about the show?
Why do you feel the episodes are inconsistent? It's a series about giant humans eating humans.
What were you expecting? Why? Do you always go into every series you watch expecting a clear driven path?
How is your life? Are you happy? Are you sad? It's ok society today is depressing and sometimes it's better to just talk.
It's fucking badly written, Every time they captured Annie she managed to pull some bullshit and escape, It becomes boring after they do that over and over.
ITT: People who don't know that /a/ hates this shit.
there was an opinion in OP's post other than b8 since all it said was i don't like something even though OP gives no examples?
SnK or the repetitive bait threads?
/a/ doesn't actually hate any anime
we're just tsundere
>watched DBZ in the 90s like everyone else
>"Man, I wish I could see another adventure anime that good again."
>friend constantly suggests things to me
The anime had fucking terrible pacing, and some really stupid/pointless changes. The manga is all right by shonen standards.
I'm going to have to disagree on the second.
If /a/ hated these threads so much they wouldn't get so many replies. /a/ loves ranting about SnK.
>What were you expecting? Why? Do you always go into every series you watch expecting a clear driven path?
Oh wow, where do I even start.
The animation was all around inconsistent, with parts were it seemed that came from hella high budget anime (pic related) while other scenes where it looked awful.
The battles with the giants were fucking inconsistent as well, the series portrays the fighting against giants in some scenes as something fucking impossible, and very difficult, and other scenes where the giants are easily killed with one hit in their weakspot, with the battle lasting less than a few frames
>hurr it's their weakspot
Still, you point one battle in the series where it didnt feel underwhelming as fuck, which actually drives to the point of how bad the characters are.
I didn't point out most of the flaws in the OP because holy fucking shit it's so bad that it would take forever to point out all of them.
The flashbacks were also very inconsistent, with some very unnecessary flashbacks at some points, and some other scenes were a flashback would be necessary to remind us of that fucking shitty character no one cares about, or you don't know whether you should care about because he had almost no fucking screen time, and you don't know whether he got killed anyway.
Which actually brings with the characters per se, how fucking badly written they are, how the author uses shit traits in characters to give them a shit personality, that fucking mary sue with no damn flaws and for no damn reason other than "was fucking born this way".
You can actually write a damn fucking essay on how the characters are bad, and it still wouldnt be enough
You must read the manga. The character development is fucking snail paced. 100+ chapters. MC is still a faggot. Chitoge realized her feelings 50 chapters in. 50 chapters later she hasn't done shit to let her feelings known. Meanwhile, more and more girls are being introduced. This manga is getting milked so hard it's unbearable.
AND WHY HAVEN'T THEY JUST TESTED THE FUCKING LOCK YET JESUS CHRIST YOU HAVE THE GODDAMN KEYS ALL OF THIS WOULD BE SOLVED IF YOU JUST TRIED OPENING THAT FUCKING GAY ASS LOCKET.
Have more flashbacks. And stills. And speedlines.
If someone suggests you Naruto and One Piece, it is a sign that you should avoid everything he likes.
pic related on the OP, my apologies.
>Still, you point one battle in the series where it didnt feel underwhelming as fuck
Also, the best one I can come up with wouldn't even count humans vs. giants, rather than Eren just becoming a giant himself.
That was the only one that didn't feel that much of underwhelming.
>fighting against giants in some scenes as something fucking impossible
for regular soldiers yes
scouting legion is totally different and even they still get their shit pushed on the regular
>You can actually write a damn fucking essay on how the characters are bad, and it still wouldnt be enough
and it would be poorly substantiated judging by your post
you missed the nisekoi thread bro
Nice counter argument faggot, why don't you try proving me that the characters are at least "decent" instead of doing a metapost?
>for regular soldiers yes
Yeah, well, it's still very inconsistent for said "regular soldiers", as none of the battles against them actually feel well orchastrated, they are either very underpowered against the giants or are fucking overpowered by them. Sometimes it doesn't even feel like they were trained for years on how easy they are killed.
Now, you could show an overwhelming power, while still delivering an orchastrated fight
>overpowered by them
overpowered against them*
just for posterities sake, who is the Mary Sue?
50% of every snk episode:
>"soldiers, you must fight titans!"
>"oh noez I'm so afraid of titans ;_;"
>how can anyone like this shit?
Even though I agree with pretty much all of your points, I really enjoyed SnK. It's pretty simple, actually.
1. Turn your brain off
2. Stop having high expectations
3. Allow yourself to buy into the over-the-top bullshit and silly action scenes (think like a 14 year old and stop being so cynical)
4. Appreciate the OST and interesting world
5. Try not to think about the wasted potential
6. When all else fails, just laugh at how bad some of it is
>Eren is basically shinji
>Except for these things that are the oppsite of shinji
If people listened to every extreme, one-sided opinion that they heard, then this world would be filled with even more idiots than it already is.
Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, you hated it with every last fiber of your being. I don't see how that justifies making a thread and shitting on everyone who doesn't follow your opinion to the same degree. I have my problems with the anime as well, but I still had an overall fun experience with it and the manga.
Why is it that the popular series tend to get the most radical hatebases? Why do they only exist after the series gets popular? You'd think that if this series was so horrible, disgusting, and was such a plague on the human race, that many people would have said so in the years that it wasn't popular. It's like all those faggots pretending to care about the victims of Kony when it gets a lot of media attention, but as soon as it's no longer trending, no one gives a shit about them.
If you're going to shit on series, please do so for the tens of thousands of other series that are also worse than SnK. That is only fair, because they're so offensive and something needs to be done.
What makes SnK good is that it gets you hyped as fuck and has a great soundtrack. It was your mistake for expecting good character development and a logical plot from a show like this.
they hate because there isn't enough loli and incest
Now, I'm not wholly against mary sues, or near perfect characters, so long as they give me a reason to believe that the perfection within said character is something credible.
For example, if Mikasa had a strong reason to become perfect, as with her skills, and how she doesn't make any mistakes, with her only weakness being Eren.
yeah well, besides that faggot, she is a fucking mary sue with absolutely no development, no words on how she is simply talented at everyfuckingthing, and the fact that her whole character is based around her one sided feelings for Eren makes her empty as it can be.
The author could construct some development with her actual "overpower" being built around her feelings for eren, but no, she's simply like that, no questions asked.
Which also brings us about how her character is unrelatable, and simply unbelievable.
That's just a consequence of that very crucial lack of development that she had.
Though the series showed how her feelings for Eren came to be, they never even touched in particular on how or why she is the way she is, which pretty much matters when making a character such as Mikasa.
You obviously don't know what a Mary Sue is. I don't even like SnK much, but please stop misusing literary terms if you don't understand them. It just makes you look retarded.
>anywhere near perfect
>implying she doesn't have a fuck ton of obvious issues
it's like you want us to know you're retarded
Eren has pretty eyes.
Your post is actually very predictable, but since we're at it
Well do name me one of those issues that appear on the series, that isn't related to Eren, and ask yourself if any women can actually relate to Mikasa, as in can you see any fault on her character that you can relate to yourself as a human being?
Yeah, you pretty much can't, besides Eren, Mikasa is a top of the top on everything she does, she's considered attractive, and guess for what reason?
One last thing, besides claiming the misuse of a term, none of my points had any sort of counter argument, which is, well, expected at some point.
It is true, to enjoy this series you'd have to turn off your damn brain
Miracles happen sometimes
My Narutard friend recommended me Princess Tutu
>The battles with the giants were fucking inconsistent as well, the series portrays the fighting against giants in some scenes as something fucking impossible, and very difficult, and other scenes where the giants are easily killed
Do you have any two fights where this applies? As far as I remember the difference in how easy the titans were to kill was mainly based on the great difference in power between different humans (e.g. Levi and Mikasa vs. Armin and Sasha) and different Titans (shifters vs. non shifters). Though you don't need to like this, it's not an incosistency.
It's the same for the characters. I dislike Mikasa, too, but it seems like you just call everything you subjectively don't like an incosistency.
Of course it's predictable. If somebody says something retarded, you tell them they are being retarded. Stop turning words you don't understand into buzzwords.
As for the rest of your post, just for the sake of argument. She's not considered attractive by anybody but Jean, who has yellow fever. Where did you get this idea? In fact, Eren seems to find her too strong and not feminine, which is why he always wants to rescue and be around Armin instead. And all the 104th outside Jean seem to have liked Christa and refer to her as the goddess. She's good at combat, that's it. And Levi even tops her at that anyway. Her social awkwardness, misanthropy towards anyone outside Eren and Armin and obvious PTSD are things some people can relate to. And this is, again, coming from someone who thinks SnK is nothing more than average at best. And still even I picked up on that without caring much about the series.
As I stated, I agree with your overall argument that SnK is bad, just not for the reasons you are listing, because it's hard to take someone seriously if they use buzzwords that mean something else entirely.
Remember when we had good SnK threads? the anime ruined everything
Let us begin.
I did say that she was perfect and top of the top all around everything that didn't include Eren, with that said.
>social awkwardness, misanthropy towards Eren
This is a consequence of Eren's existence towards her character, these are actually one and the same.
She's top in the class, not because of combat expertise, but also top in the theory side, if you remove Eren from the picture, these flaws that you mentioned are pretty much gone, thus, a near perfect and very much non relatable character is written.
>but then she has flaws!
Outside of her obsession of a single character, sure, still doesn't justify her expertise in combat/theory and simply incapable of making mistakes, not to mention it doesn't excuse her as an actual well written character, if not completely otherwise.
Well it wasn't awful, but I think there was too much titan transformation shit going on, sure it was exciting the first time but then it got boring. I wanted much more action with the 3rd gear.
Also, to add that I did mention in previous posts that besides Eren, Mikasa is very much an unattainable image of a character that you simply cannot relate to.
Her lack of flaws and combat expertise isn't developed at the very least, I emphasize that the author never gave us a reason to see why she has these talents and why she seems incapable of comitting mistakes that aren't related to Eren's state.
That's just the fucking formula of a really badly written character in all senses.
If you want a good SnK thread, try making one instead of complaining like a woman on the rag.
That reminds me, I haven't read the manga and marathoned the anime all in one day when I was sick and can't remember a single thing, but I remember before the anime existed the general opinion of the manga seemed to be good. What happened? Is the anime a shitty adaption or is it just that it got more popular so more people were exposed to it and realized its flaws?
>I emphasize that the author never gave us a reason to see why she has these talents...
This is clearly something that will be explained in the end. Same goes for Eren since both them were already suprisngly good fighters as children.
You're misquoting me and backpedaling now. And again wrong.
Armin was top in theory. Where do you get this information? First you mistake her for Christa as being the most attractive, or who they consider most attractive. Now she's the genius that is Armin in theory? I'm not sure if this is mentioned in the anime and you've only watched that, but you're completely wrong there, I'm afraid.
>misanthropy towards Eren
I never said that. Nor does it make any sense. And you didn't mention her PTSD. None of those are because of Eren, but because of her past experiences. She's shy, socially awkward and doesn't trust people because of her experiences, not because of what Eren did.
The explanation was pretty simple, I thought. She has her extremely jaded world view from 6 years ago and no longer has any fear of the titans, which is half the battle with them. That and because of her jaded world view leads her to understand how the world works, and her desire to protect Eren, makes her train more than anyone else. It's pretty standard stuff here, but I thought it was made very clear.
You might not find her relatable, and I don't even like SnK or the characters that much, but there are definitely people who do relate to her shyness, lack of trust and depression over past events.
And why has this gone from, "She's perfect" to "She's perfect, besides these imperfections"?
>What happened? Is the anime a shitty adaption or is it just that it got more popular so more people were exposed to it and realized its flaws
I'll be honest, the anime was just a very bad adaptation if the manga is any better.
>This is clearly something that will be explained in the end
I'm talking about the series, as the series by itself. You usually don't leave out such an important development/explanation for later, for obvious reasons.
It's almost like you want to be able to enjoy a character on the later on chapters of the manga/episodes of the anime.
Unless you like seeing a shitty character and then after i dont know how many episodes you say "oh that's why, well, it's not shit anymore..."
Either way, all around bad adaptation. Maybe the manga is better, I don't really care at this point.
One of the reasons is that the anime has a fanbase like a split-personality toddler now. It's all the waifufag sex-starved cancer from 'culture' threads and tumblr mixed in with the original group.
You have to self-moderate like a motherfucker, and it doesn't even work most of the time.
Another problem is that something becoming popular raises the standards for it a lot so a lot of people wind up disappointed after idiots overhype it.
The last problem is faggots won't stop watching it and feeling the need to make a special snowflake thread about their feelings rather than CHECKING THE FUCKING CATALOG.
You say that like it's actually possible
It is with the right timing and OP. But I guess you'd rather continue with passive-aggressive whining in the bait thread.
I apologize for the misquote, but then you did the same on a lower level.
I never said that she was the most attractive, I said that she was attractive, or was found attractive to be attractive in the series.
>"She's perfect" to "She's perfect, besides these imperfections"?
It was always about this, look here on my first post about her character
>For example, if Mikasa had a strong reason to become perfect, as with her skills, and how she doesn't make any mistakes, with her only weakness being Eren.
In the first post, I admit that she has her weakspots, but it all around revolves on single damn character.
You remove that character, and bam, she's that perfect character.
Armin is indeed top in theory, but very weak in combat skills, unlike Mikasa that reached one of the top of the class, but that wasn't in combat expertise only, you also require to have a great amount of knowledge in theory which Mikasa had in both.
Either way, she had all the qualities nailed down to one character without being a relatable character at all, by being in a pedastal no women can be.
>jaded world view leads her to understand how the world works
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. You don't make an awful and underdeveloped character by simply adding an excuse. When was it ever shown mikasa training harder than anyone else, rather than just showing her excelling at everything?
Even in the first episodes, she is already shown as the figure who protects Eren and seem overpowered against a group of boys that wanted to beat his ass.
The jaded view was very lacking, actually, so lacking that you can barely count that as an explanation to her talents and expertise. She simply has them, and simply use them in favour of Eren, Eren is her whole raison d'etre, the only source of any flaws that she has, which makes her very fucking empty.
That's just not how you write a good character
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Cadet Corps, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret attacks on Titans, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in 3DMG and I’m the top fighter in the entire military. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on either side of the Walls, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Wall Maria and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Scouting Legion and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
I missed that copy pasta
Interesting start with the setting, basically zombie apocalypse but huge. Mankind fucked, can't do shit against them, really liked the whole desperate situation.
The characters, not so interesting. Jäger is angry revenge edgemaster, Mikasa can't open her mouth except when it's about Eren. Not too hot for lead characters. Armin is alright though, so are some others.
It was alright, but then shit went Teen Titans and Frodo had to put in even more hours than before.
There's foreshadowing out the asshole that Mikasa isn't exactly human. That's probably why she was able to murder a dude and break through a floor when she was like 7.
Damn nigga, you take your Chinese cartoons very serious eh?
It had great potential but then went down the "super special MC POWERZ" route and ended up making him an insufferable faggot. The whole titans and ridiculous mysteries piling up on each other just shows how shit the writing is.
Also, god damn it it's fucking serialized monthly and has some of the shittiest art I've seen
No it isn't.
>And you didn't mention her PTSD. None of those are because of Eren, but because of her past experiences. She's shy, socially awkward and doesn't trust people because of her experiences, not because of what Eren did.
Couldn't put this in the main post because it didn't fit.
Well, can you tell me when it ever felt that she was socially awkward BECAUSE of her past experiences, and not because of her obsession with Eren?
Actually, can you actually argue that, her PTSD isn't more of her traumatic experiences, and not because of Eren as her raison d'etre?
That's why the character is so fucking bad all around. It's because her emphasis on her existence towards Eren is so fucking obvious that it outshines her past experiences for any reason of her flaws. It just feels hazy and most of her character is based off a single character, rather than her past.
Eren's existence completely outshines any fucking flaw that she has, it's just on another level.
>PTSD isn't more of her traumatic experiences,
which brings us the question on whether she has PTSD at all
>Post traumatic stress disorder
>must be because of a traumatic experience!
Well, I'd invite you to tell me when it was clear that she had any of that in the series, and even then it wouldn't make her character any fucking less decent.
Copious amounts of /v/ in this thread make it worth reporting.
>hurr SnK is awesome dude
>Well, I'd invite you to tell me when it was clear that she had any of that in the series, and even then it wouldn't make her character any fucking less decent.
Maybe I should've said when it was obvious that she had a PTSD action due to her past, and not because of her obsession with Eren.
I'm not one of those plebs who loved aot, but it wasn't terrible. It was alright, I'm not holding my breath for anything related to it though.
But she isn't. Other than Jean, the universe's equivalent to a loser, nobody thinks she's attractive that we know.
You remove Eren, and she would probably be a rapeslave somewhere, but that's beside the point. Remove Eren and she's still going to be shy, have PTSD, a jaded misanthrope, not open up to people and be almost dead inside with a tendency towards violence and wouldn't be anywhere near perfect.
None of that would change without Eren so that doesn't make any sense and you continue to ignore that.
It's established even in the anime that anything outside 3dmg doesn't count much during the hand to hand scene. Otherwise, even Armin might have cracked the top 10. There's nothing to say Mikasa scored high in theory at all anyway. Again, you're pulling stuff out of your ass to support your weak argument.
No, we don't have all of these qualities nailed down to one character. We have you blindly and bullheaded believing she's this attractive, genius super fighter, despite the first 2 not applying at all and no proof to support that. She's good at athletics. That's all we know. And that's not a pedestal. There are plenty of women who are good at athletics. That's like saying nobody can relate to any character that is talented at one thing. Which is silly.
It's not an excuse. It's the development and reason for it. That was the entire point of her backstory. It's nothing special and brief, but it was spelled out blatantly to the point we don't need another stupid training montage. Why would anyone want that? By your logic, every backstory or development any character in fiction has, is now an "excuse". That's just you being bias to try and support your argument again. It wasn't great, but it was simple enough to get the job done. Shy girl has traumatic past, family's death triggers her to develop a jaded "might makes right" worldview so she trains to make sure she's strong enough to protect her family so she won't lose them again.
Furthermore it fucking sucks. It seriously pisses me off how mangafags hold any old average shite in high regard just because the medium they LIMIT themselves to isn't as popular as others.
That's what PTSD is, yes. I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I'm pretty sure having your parents murdered before you at the age of 9, being nearly sold as a sex slave, then having your adoptive mother eaten in front of you by a giant monster at the age of 10 counts as traumatic. We briefly see her smiling and even laughing with her mother before all this happens. It's obvious it changed her.
I don't agree at all. Her character is based on that traumatic past more than it is Eren. It shapes her, not her obsession with Eren, which only happened after it when they took her in. What does her social awkwardness have to do with Eren? How would Eren make her socially awkward? It's pretty obvious with most of her interactions she's obviously shy and isn't someone who trusts people since her parents got murdered.
>Shy girl has traumatic past, family's death triggers her to develop a jaded "might makes right" worldview so she trains to make sure she's strong enough to protect her family so she won't lose them again.
Do show me one scene where she comes off as "training not to lose any family member" rather than "I am talented the way I was born like this, and because I had a self realization when I was a kid"
That doesn't support your argument either, you say that she trained much harder than anyone, but that was never explicit in the anime.
Every single task that was shown being done, she excelled at it, and that's it. It was never shown that she had trained before, she's just the way it is, period.
Armin would NOT have cracked the top 10 because how bad he is in athletics, and because she was one of the top of the ranks you can, very safely assume that she was extremely good at theory.
If I ever said that to someone without criticizing that character, it wouldn't be hard to believe. There are even scenes that soldiers counts her battle expertise for more than i don't know how many fucking men.
I think that was in the scene where eren, mikasa and armin were about to be executed.
Yeah, that's a pedestal alright. You in your own way are also pulling shit off your ass to sustain your argument of how she is the way she is.
She never trained, there was never a fucking hint about it, she just had to be strong, she just is, nothing more and nothing else.
>not her obsession with Eren, which only happened after it when they took her in. What does her social awkwardness have to do with Eren
When was this ever implied? Can you remind me of a scene that, shows her being socially awkward BECAUSE of her PTSD?
Her anti social persona is nothing more than a direct connection to Eren. As long as she has Eren nothing else, and no one else matters.
You see, this is why I told you it was hazy, as much as you can put the blame to that towards her PTSD, one can blame her feelings for Eren to that, which is why this raison d'etre makes her such an empty character.
>She never trained, there was never a fucking hint about it, she just had to be strong, she just is, nothing more and nothing else.
To make this a little more detailed.
She never trained harder than anyone, she just outright excelled at all the training levels, reaching one of the tops of i dont know how many men.
That's really all there is to it.
Nigga, it's obvious that she has some other kind of inhuman influence on her strength.
Well then they had to do something not to make you confuse that with bad writing, because that's pretty much what happened.
Again, we don't need a training montage. They're stupid, boring and pointless. It's assumed most can fill in the blanks. And we know she wasn't born like that because we briefly see her as a kid before this. And she wasn't like she is now at all. That's pretty clear, no? We see her go train even when she has bruised ribs, because she doesn't want to go soft. And she does all the heavy lifting and hard work when they are kids. It's enough to get the point across, I thought, without a dedicated training montage. Some people are talented, yes. Armin isn't shown to be studying, yet he's smarter than everyone. There's nothing to show Jean practiced being a good leader, yet we see he's a potentially great leader, later. Do you complain about those as well? Characters are allowed to be talented. Her talent is combat. And Levi even exceeds her at that.
Why do you keep saying she excelled at everything? She excelled at combat, that's it. Where is it shown she excels at everything else?
No, again. It's shown everything outside of 3DMG doesn't matter because after the wall fell, they wanted people good at using that to kill titans to protect the inside. So your reasoning falls short. Did you miss that scene during training?
I am not pulling anything out of my ass. Although saying she's trained more might be a bit of a stretch, but I thought it was meant to be obvious, combined with her always doing the heavy lifting as a kid while Eren slept under a tree and her abs that don't happen overnight which is strength training in itself. But that can be missed in the anime.
And the soldiers are just using a figure of speech. Similar to how they claim Levi is a one man army. You're taking something literally that was never intended to be such.
Having talent at something doesn't put someone on a pedestal and wash away their flaws. Do you put talented pilots, geniuses or people born tall on pedestals? That's just insecurity.
Most of the events that happen in this series later on are foreshadowed in a rather subtle fashion earlier on. Annie being a titan, the armored and colossal titan, Eren being one, Eren's coordinate power, Ymir, Erwin's plan, etc. I'm not saying it's great, but you seem to be writing off everything as bad writing rather than confronting your own inability to pick up on things.
I liked it at first, but now it's getting progressively worse, and i've got a pretty hot feeling that it's going to go balls-to-the-wall retarded in the next 'season'.
Popularity - Quality = Degree of /a/'s hatred
What? Her social awkwardness isn't because of her PTSD. It's because she's socially awkward. I guess you could say they are related, but that's just how she is regardless, I guess. It's obvious she cares about Armin as well. And there's that scene with Sasha where she just awkwardly reacts as Christa and Ymir come to take her away. Has nothing to do with Eren.
>Having talent at something doesn't put someone on a pedestal and wash away their flaws. Do you put talented pilots, geniuses or people born tall on pedestals? That's just insecurity.
See, I don't mind her talent or any character's talents, as long as they are developed, and made believable.
In her case, it isn't in the very damn least. When it comes to Armin or Jean, they're not good characters either, so what? Do you think this series is praised because of character development or something?
>combined with her always doing the heavy lifting as a kid
Yeah, what that shown is, she was fucking strong ever since she was a child, and that's about it. It never showed her training more than anyone else,.
>Where is it shown she excels at everything else?
You don't get to be one of the tops of all the class with excelling only at combat, and that's just obvious.
Again, I really think her character falls fucking short of explaining, or showing her talent as something being developed.
You see, good characters and well written geniuses doesn't just show the moment when their talents are already developed, it also shows how they developed said talents.
That's how the series fall short of, Mikasa is always displaying her top notch skills without a small glimpse of said skills being developed.
It never shows her getting to point A, it just shows her at that point.
She's just a really badly written character, among with the other ones that you mentioned.
>That's pretty clear, no? We see her go train even when she has bruised ribs, because she doesn't want to go soft.
Literally don't remember that in the anime.
>It's enough to get the point across
It isn't. Just like every other character, she as one of the main ones needed to pass out her talents and something believable, and not fucking artificial. Which is something the series failed not only on her character, but on others as well.
The series isn't about the characters. They exist to push the story along, not the other way around. We don't need a training montage, or to see Jean practicing leadership skills or Armin studying in a library. Why would you need that? Why would you want that?
It's outright stated that since the wall fell, they only count 3DMG for the rankings, because that's what the inner walls wants.
Even hand to hand doesn't count. And all the rest isn't relevant. So yes, you DO get to the top of the class on that one talent. It's outright stated, anon. They made a big deal about it and that's the reason Jean was only focusing on 3DMG. He wanted to join the MP. The way to do that was to score in the top 10. The only thing that counted towards the final score for the top 10 rankings was 3DMG.
You must have missed that, so the rest of your argument and reasoning doesn't add up.
Because nobody wants to see another training montage. It's not what the series is about. It's not poor writing, necessarily. It's just skipping that. The hints of her training and reasons behind it are there, just briefly gone over. She develops the right mentality from childhood. Does heavy lifting throughout her childhood to become athletic. Has athleticism, talent and motivation and goes through training with it and excels. Her skills are shown to be developed and the reasoning behind it. It's just very brief.
Also, that's not what makes a character badly written or well written. Especially if a series isn't about the characters themselves first and foremost, you don't need to have individual training montages to get everyone to a point where their talent that makes them fit in the story is at a level to progress the plot.
And if you're talking about the anime only, it's pretty pointless. The anime is a pretty poor adaption and skips a few things. Why are you on /a/ if you haven't read the manga?
The real problem with SnK was how stupid the characters are.
>You don't get to be one of the tops of all the class with excelling only at combat
Maybe you should actually pay attention to what you're whining so much about if you really care so strongly as to whine about it so much.
Yes, you do, because that's all they fucking cared about since the wall collapsed: people who were good at spiderman neckchopping. All the other tests were purely routine and didn't influence shit. The flat out tell you Eren's hand-to-hand skills are very good but that they don't influence his evaluation at all.
>And if you're talking about the anime only, it's pretty pointless. The anime is a pretty poor adaption and skips a few things. Why are you on /a/ if you haven't read the manga?
Well that explains why it felt that I was speaking with someone that knew so much in depth about this.
See, if you read your post, a lot of that can either be easily missed on the series, or wasn't articulated well enough, because I most definitely don't remember Jean focusing on 3DMG, and there was never an explanation on what the top 10 was based at, so you could pretty much convince yourself easily that, you don't get there simply by having a combat expertise, but also a great amount of expertise about theory.
>The series isn't about the characters. They exist to push the story along, not the other way around.
Oh, fucking wow. You see, I can write a book not making something as a main focus, it doesn't give me the excuse to make them bad, or in this case, horrible.
You don't need a "training montage" to show a talent being developed, or to make you believe that said talent was developed.
>It's just very brief.
You don't need to use euphemism for horribly executed.
You could've taken away a few of those useless recap times, to make some frames about their development, couldnt you? Even if a single frame, or self thought about this talent that they have, and how they develop them. It wouldn't be hard to make, but they didn't, and it surely didn't feel brief, it felt all around lacking.
>And if you're talking about the anime only, it's pretty pointless.
Yeah I'm talking about the anime only as stated in the OP. If the manga is better, if the manga fixes such things, than maybe it's decent.
The anime by itself is most definitely a bad execution of what maybe could be something good.To emphasize, they didn't make the characters', specially mikasa's, skills believable, they made it very artificial. It didn't feel brief, it felt lacking.
Much of it is still in the anime. It's just subtle. I enjoy the subtlety and not everything being shoved down my throat, if nothing else about the series.
I don't agree it was lacking at all. She's meant to be talented. Her motivation and mentality are established from her flashback. And the reasoning for the difference it shown from how Eren is weak because he's a lazy twat who sleeps under a tree while Mikasa does all the chores because she feels indebted to him, thus she grows up to be strong and in good shape. Then she goes through training while being more physically capable because of the former reasons. It's not hard to grasp.
Also, that's a poor example of what is bad. It's pretty standard for a shonen to not spend much time on characters. Unless you are implying all shonen is bad. But in that case, why would you have watched this to begin with?
>Is the anime a shitty adaption
Pretty much yeah.
>See, if you read your post, a lot of that can either be easily missed on the series, or wasn't articulated well enough, because I most definitely don't remember Jean focusing on 3DMG, and there was never an explanation on what the top 10 was based at, so you could pretty much convince yourself easily that, you don't get there simply by having a combat expertise, but also a great amount of expertise about theory
But all this was in the anime and even made to be a pretty big deal. You should be blaming your poor memory or lack of attention here, I'm afraid.
Anyone with half brain or a driving license is aware that SnK is shit.
Can we get an SAO thread instead?
Because I know jackshit about SnK.
>It's just subtle. I enjoy the subtlety and not everything being shoved down my throat, if nothing else about the series.
Well, with this, I rest my case.
Shounens wouldn't rely something as important as this to subtlety, that's just a shitty excuse for the artificial skills the character has.
You're just sugar coating something lacking and badly executed.
In fact, you barely leave anything subtle to series aimed at teenagers at all, more so with shounens where everything is dumbed down and already crunched so you can swallow.
It's very hard to believe that her skills were developed in a subtle manner rather than just poor writing/execution of that.
With that said, even let's say that I convince myself that she was working out ever since she was a child, it doesn't excuse her artificial talents as the skills required to defeat a giant in less than a couple of frames definitely requires more than physical training.
>lack of attention here,
I'd blame this one, that's not to say I missed everything, but it probably happened because of how downhill everything was going, and made me lose interest.
With that said, I didn't miss everything, but I guess that could be partially my fault. I definitely don't remember the series stating that the top of the military only required 3DMG, and mostly disregarded theory
I agree that it's dumbed down, but that's kind of the point. It's not a couple of frames. They spent years training to learn those skills. She had talent, motivation and work ethic and athleticism from before. They taught them how to kill these giant monsters. That's what military training is, you know. It's not hard and pretty simple to follow. They just didn't spend a lot of time hammering the point home. There's nothing "artificial" about that.
People still reply to those? No wonder you are still on /a/, escaping reality.
Let me check them and I will be on my way
I'll just ask you this, we didn't arrive anywhere with this discussion, as you're implying this series actually has any sort of development in any kind of way; it simply doesn't.
Do you think the characters of SnK are anything past mediocre? If you answer this consider I'll be on my way
It does have development. It's completely wrong of you to say that if you understand what the words you are using mean. Just as you didn't understand the term Mary Sue means. Mikasa alone goes from scared, normal girl to jaded misnthrope with PTSD after her past. Jean starts out as something of a jerk, but learns to behave. Armin is basically a scared pussy, but mans up somewhat later on.
Does it have GOOD development? That's mostly up to personal opinion. Honestly? I think it's quite mediocre to bad. But just because I don't like it overall, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Saying that as you are is ignorant and biased. I enjoy some of them for what they are, but don't necessarily consider them good. But it's a shounen that focuses primarily on the plot. None of them are going to be incredibly complex, just like most shounen.
Holy shit. I was talking in somewhat absolute terms, it almost has fucking 0 development for the characters.
Mikasa, besides that scene past her childhood, starts as a character that has her whole raison d'etre based on Eren.
Eren is a fucking powerless and weak, full of failures pussy from start to finish, and he never changes in his personality.
Armin was always a pussy and a little girl, and very full of pride, but that never changed except some scenes that he demosntrates bravery, nothing shows that he actually mans the fuck up, rather than moving away from his status quo in a few scenes.
Jean is the same shit, he acted like a jerk, but he was always that coward that wanted to move towards the inner walls, and even though he does an action that goes AGAINST that, he still in the end regrets his decision, and have feels of remorse over his decision, and while you could argue that it shows "how human" he is, it actually shows that he didn't grow up at all, and was just acting against his personality, while still having the same mentality all along.
You could say it exists, I say it doesn't, mostly because it's so mediocre and small, that you could take it into absolute terms, it's just terrible, lacking for the very little it has.
This is just pointless. You're contradicting yourself in your own posts and are debating pointless things and seem unable to express what you mean very well.
If you say something like "it simply doesn't" that's very much an absolute term. It's not my fault if you say that and I take it as an absolute term, then you backtrack and say it's "somewhat absolute terms".
You say it doesn't exist, then immediately say that it does. It's just mediocre and small, based on your opinion. In which case, it does exist. You even admit that it does, while claiming it doesn't. And list what is development, just that you don't like it. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say now, other than "I don't like it". If that's the case, fine, but stop trying to claim your personal opinions somehow change the meaning of literary terms and the definition of words, please, because most of what you described is development - good or poor.
You're arguing with someone who's trying to speak in absolutes about SnK despite not having read the manga.
50%?!, I'd say about 100% after they graduate the soldier shit-like camp.
series is shit, why would the manga be any better?
You see, the development is so fucking bad that you can disregard it, is what I meant.
If you read my previous post, most of the characters starts and ends at the same point. If you want it all out I'll say it, it has very small amount of development, and so horribly executed that you can pretty much disregard it.
>You're arguing with someone who's trying to speak in absolutes about SnK despite not having read the manga.
Something that needs another medium to support itself it's just all around bad
>I was talking in somewhat absolute terms
This is generally a good sign your head is way too up your own ass to form any coherent argument. What the fuck is "somewhat absolute"? Do you even understand the meaning of either of those words?
The rest of your post can be summed up as "I have absolutely no knowledge of the story I'm discussing."
This whole tirade reads like you're under the impression the series has ended. Are you seriously whining that the characters didn't complete their arcs by the end of the fragment of the story that has been (badly) adapted to animation? What kind of retard do you need to be to do that?
>somewhat absolute terms
Pick up a dictionary and look those up, because that phrase is a complete oxymoron.
>The kidnapping and retrieval
I believe you are wrong anon
>more and more girls
SnK turned into a shitty moe material?
Can anyone recommend other monster fightin' anime?
While I don't think the reveal was BS like many. It certainly wasn't good. Definitely not something to use as an example of the series getting better. I didn't think much of it at all. It wasn't shocking or interesting. In fact, learning who the titan that started this all was remains my biggest disappointment with the series. Such a boring character to use for it.
Utgard is very overrated. It felt rather pointless in the large scale of things and it still didn't make me care about any of the side characters. Or find any of them interesting other than maybe Reiner. And most of that came later on. The parts at the actual castle before the reveal, fight and kidnapping were some of the least enjoyable parts.
I agree with the last 2, though.
Its not so much as the series getting better but the reveal did answer one of many questions, I do agree with you that it wasn't good as I knew already it was those two. I do admit that Bert is a boring character but I think he was supposed to be that so the reader suspicious don't go to him right away. Utgard did give some development into Reiner and Bert and especially Ymir and Historia.
Also, we get to see much they will censor Mike and his squad death and the arrival of MT.
>Watched the whole 25 eps
>BUT I HATED EVERY SECOND OF IT
I just watched it for the MMA
Yea the Annie/Eren fights scenes were good but I wish they showed more 3DMG action
That's what you get for being a fucking pleb.
I hope they'll give 3DMG a little more love in S2. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
Well most of the chapters have the 3DMG action going on and less of Eren Titan but shit its going to have alot of fucken talking and flashbacks
I meant less of flying on strings for five minutes and more dynamic shots for people other than Mikasa/Levi.
That is what bothered me during the FT arc the flying for like five minutes
Mikasa and Levi are the only 2 humans worth a damn when it comes to using it. Well, there's Mike, but we barely see him. Everyone else is either incompetent or too busy spending time being angsty about what they're doing to use it well. If you've read the manga, you know not to expect much more from a season 2 in terms of 3DMG. Levi is still injured and barely uses it and Mikasa only uses it a few times before getting injured herself. So even they become useless at it.
Just because they aren't superhuman doesn't mean they can't put a tiny bit of budget into Armin, Jean, Christa and Connie using their gear.
I know it isn't until the rescue arc. I'm just hoping someone other than Mikasa/Levi can have their scenes done well. It's already disgusting enough to see Levi pushing Armin out of EMA merchwise.
Isnt Castle Utgrad and the Titan Battle the only times we see the 3DMG in action?
So far, and the adults don't get to use their gear much before dying.
The first half of the season is going to be really titan-heavy with Ymir, Bert and Reiner's transformations.
But the rescue arc is going to be humans vs. titans again. Hopefully they don't fuck it up.
There really isn't all that much actual fighting with the gear there, though. Other than Mikasa trying to get shit done, then Erwin having his heroic moment with one arm tied behind his back, so to speak, nobody really does much on screen, so to speak.
I want to see how they will handle Hannes also this
Connie and Christa both get their first titan kills. In fact, Mikasa doesn't do much other than threatening and getting her ribs broken. I guess you forgot who saved her reckless ass too.
I don't think she was really being reckless there, so much as it being dangerous and her being used to show how suicidal the whole thing was. Either way, I said tried to, because it doesn't go anywhere and she just gets injured, which was the point. There's not really much actual fighting going on. Jean's moment is pretty brief, barely even noteworthy. I did forget it, just like everyone in universe, I guess.
Connie has already gotten his kill during Trost, I think. While clearing the titans around Eren with Armin and Mikasa. Could be wrong. Christa's is more comedic, I thought. Similar to Eren getting his first kill. I found it more funny than anything else. But I guess there's something. Hannes briefly, as well. But it's all just a collection of very brief one hit moments that don't last long and no potential to turn into good, animated fight scenes, is what I mean. Unless they change things a lot or add filler.
I can guess the filler will center around Mikasa and Eren
Or possibly Levi and his adventures with Pastor Nick
Connie couln't even kill a blinded titan in Trost.
And Mikasa was being absolutely reckless. She MUH EREN'd herself right into a titan's fist.
That was hardly reckless considering they had to do it anyway. Reckless was her going in after the female titan despite being ordered not to do so. This was her following orders anyway. Even Charging into a packed group of titans with no buildings or trees to use was not ideal situations. I guess you could call it reckless, but the person being reckless here is all of them, or Erwin, since it was his orders. Even Jean commented on how suicidal the whole thing was. Everyone would have died if not for Eren.
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?
9/10 so close
Stay mad, hipster.
But she should of known better to watch her surroundings. She let her Eren obsession get the best of her and caused the injury
It was reckless because she didn't bother looking where she was headed. A levelheaded Mikasa would never do that.
It's the same as every time she disrespects authority and defies orders because the only thing happening in her brain is Eren.
I don't think that's what the scene is meant to portray at all. People focus too much on how she was reckless before and immediately just blame everything that happens to her on her being reckless. The surrounding were impossible to watch everything. They were charging headlong into a group of titans with nothing else to latch on to. It was a suicide mission from the start with no ideal method of doing it. But they had to anyway. Her obsession had nothing to do with how bad the situation was. The only way to avoid it perfectly would to not have gone in at all, which wasn't an option.
You could say a level headed Mikasa would never have gone in at all. None of them would have in that case. Because it was a suicide mission. But they had to, so they did. There were titans everywhere and it's not like she can see in every direction at once.
She didn't have to look in every direction. Just the direction she was flinging her body at high speed. It was a suicide mission, but that doesn't excuse being stupid.
That's the thing. It was stupid to go in in the first place, you could argue. But they had to and were in fact ordered to. Heck, it doesn't even look like the titan was in her original field of vision. It was behind Reiner's body on the other side. I doubt it's possible for her to have seen all of them. Nor would there be any way to go in any direction where there probably weren't titans. That's the point. It was suicidal. She went first and saw an option before Bert was protected again. Someone had to try it, since it was probably their only chance. You can't really blame her for that. It was a bad decision made out of necessity and it was a bad order made out of necessity.
People go on and on, at length, about how much better the manga supposedly is to the show.
I'm 11 or so chapters into the manga...it is identical to the show. It might as well just be storyboards for the show. Also the scanlation I'm reading is awful.
SnK is just a poor man's muv luv.
The only muvluv related anime is Total Eclipse and that is a poor man's Infinite Stratos, so nope.
You could always not read awful scanlations. And I'm not trying to say the manga is any better, but identical? I can already think of several differences. In fact, the training parts of episode 3 and 4 won't have even happened at that stage in the manga.
>shit anime of mediocre sidestory
There's your problem.
Yea that image of Eren reminded me of that one scene in Doctor Who
See, this is the proof. People are just too poor to play the VNs that bring a much more emotionally engaging experience than SnK.
And the ML anime sucks dick and is a spinoff. No one's praising that shit here.
When does the new guy's run start.
Muvluv Alternative is also generic garbage so claiming something else is a copy of it is pretty much void.
Almost as idiotic as saying other shows copy code geass, a show that has all the shounen book cliches forced in.
This whole thread is pure comedy.
But Muv Luv is shit.
I see what you mean.
How is it allegedly better?
There are similiarities sure.
Like the bad guys being fucking retarded OP just for the hell of it.
No one's claiming it to be a copy or anything. The immersive experience itself of MLA is why I consider SnK to be poor man's Muv-Luv, anyway. It's generic with fine development, a great soundtrack and overall fine execution that builds up a good experience.
They have tons of things in common, and the creator of SnK admits to being influenced by muv luv. Too bad it lacks the likable characters and an MC who actually gets character development.
That's true, the training scenes are being shown as flashbacks instead of happening in time-order, but the dialogue and even the layouts of the scenes are identical even there.
I'm willing to accept it gets more different later but right now it seems painfully similar to the point where I've started just scrolling through pages waiting for something different to show up.
Damn, I wanted to laugh a bit reading this thread after this goddamn awful day at work, but I'm too fucking tired.
Gonna read this tomorrow, bye.
Sweet Dreams Anon
And there's this pic of them together holding each other's material.
Alternative Takeru > Extra Takeru >>>>> shit >>>> Eren.
Wow, it's like I'm on /v/.
And in 2010.
Why was that kid so mad?
one piece is actually good though
Isayama looks like a fucken chick
Attack on Titan is my favorite cartoon! it's much better then that shitty Chinese show Naruto or Bleach.
i'm 10 so my opinion is right!
Making posts like this I believe.
to each his own, you don't like it, that's fine, not everyone likes everything, but I don't get why you made this thread to just voice your opinion in a very hostile manner that makes you come off as a troll or a person who can't stand knowing people don't all agree with you.
honestly bro you need to calm down.
Where the mods at?
oh calm down i'm just satirically pointing out how funny a lot of the arguments here are.
it's not like I acualy mean any of that, aside for I do like SnK.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
fine then, I'll just go back to my usual boards and leave this thread to it.
Join the club anon
Why does everyone acuse others from being from /v/, when the majority on /a/ is /v/