Will the cost of printing ever be low enough for publishers to begin printing manga in color?
Do western comics have an advantage over manga by having the option to print in color?
Do you even want more colored manga?
>Do you even want more colored manga?
Some manga are printed in colour. Not a lot, but there are some.
Woah thought I hit /co/ by mistake for a second there.
Even if the printing were free, the cost increase just from hiring an assistant to be the colorist would probably be enough to reduce the number of manga created. Why endanger the lives of niche things?
I'd totally buy colored deluxe editions of my favorites, though.
I'd like the opposite actually. I want comics to give up color and go full black and white so they can release weekly like manga.
I can't imagine the serialization pace if we had full color chapters. Mangaka and their assistants are often on pretty tight schedules as it is.
And I honestly never found it a fault that they are blacks and whites. I always go beyond the lines on the pages and see and hear the characters moving.
One stink is the color pages that are often not included in the tanks, but a good portion makes makes up for it with art books, special editions, or prints. Still those few catalogs that you have to hunt down though.
Coloring causes massive delays and a generally low baseline page count over time. 20-30 pages per month is not a model that works for manga, and looking at the awful numbers that western floppies pull...
>Some manga are printed in colour. Not a lot, but there are some.
Don't give me this. There are almost no fully colored manga, and even fewer colored manga that are actually worth reading.
>Even if the printing were free, the cost increase just from hiring an assistant to be the colorist would probably be enough to reduce the number of manga created.
There are people like Murata who can color and draw the manga by himself.
>I'd totally buy colored deluxe editions of my favorites, though.
The Akira reprint was pretty ugly, from what I remember.
>Don't give me this. There are almost no fully colored manga
Just because you don't know any doesn't mean they don't exist.
>There are people like Murata who can color and draw the manga by himself.
People with Murata's talent are few and far between.
colored manga would bring terrible things
Didn't Murata have a few delays with OPM?
Besides, the man is a beast, you cannot compare him to others.
Have you ever seen just how many comics there are? A percent of them are young artists working on their first series.
The thing is, comic artists can choose to be black and white, while mangaka really don't have the option of being in color.
You don't need to be exceptional in order to add color. Murata was just an example.
Terrible things like what? Variety?
You seem to be working under the assunption comics are better than manga.
They are not, they are far worse.
You have to think about the way manga is published, it's sold in weekly or monthly phone books sized books on shitty paper usually read on the train or while waiting for something and then thrown away, it's meant to be disposable, affordable and produced at a fast pace. Color increases both cost and time of production so they're big nos to the market.
Also just throwing in color to something that has worked without color for over half a decade feels like a pretty bad idea, the drawing styles have mostly been developed without color in mind all that time.
>You seem to be working under the assunption comics are better than manga.
What makes you think that? Quote OP directly.
>Terrible things like what? Variety?
Delays, increased costs, a bigger workforce needed.
Do yiu even understand how manga works?
>You don't need to be exceptional in order to add color
I would really prefer you would, because frankly it ruins detail.
Manga has really never been concerned with colour. People neither desire it, nor want to pay for it.
Funnily enough, you'd probably find a lot more in doujinshi and in general porn.
Both are shit on average. Manga only seems better because you don't see all the manga too shitty to be scanlated.
Well, I said seem, that's the vibe he gives, he can defend himself can't he?
The biggest players in manga at least don't force people to use the same characters over and over. Sure, cliches abound, but manga is still an author driven industry.
That's not the vibe he gave at all. Again, directly quote what made you feel he was working under any assumptions.
From what, some kind of arbitrary bullshit accusation? If I were OP I sure as fuck wouldn't reply to you.
>You don't need to be exceptional in order to add color. Murata was just an example.
Adding color for the sake of having color is retarded. The only color allowed should be coloring that's exceptional and actually adds to the manga, otherwise it might as well just be in black and white.
Might have a point, the colouring on manga is still a piss poor idea
Quality over quantity.
Besides, I'm not demanding that all your favorite weekly manga suddenly become coloured monthly series.
I just think that the addition of coloured manga that exist alongside normal manga is a good thing. Colour can be a useful tool in setting the tone and expressing certain themes. The fact that manga as a whole is largely deprived of that tool is only a disadvantage.
There's plenty of quality in manga.
More like variety>*
>is only a disadvantage
And still no one cares. You may as well complain that books don't have picture inserts all the time. Although I think Japan is on top of that one.
You want to see what happens with a conversion to full colour? Go look at the retardation known as Korean webtoons. Mass produced, churned out, really lack luster art which is botched over with colour so that people don't care. Not that they're all terrible. No one said they had to do colour either, but look what happened. Anything to keep up, anything to cut corners so they don't starve. This is just how it is.
I've never really had a problem with black and white.
It allows me to appreciate the line work put forward by the artist more, and the feeling of movement seems better as well.
Manga is printed on recycled toilet paper, they obviously want to make it as cheap and accessible as possible and full color wouldn't help at all.
Now I'm reminded that the rest of Robot will never be translated. Great. Just great.
>I just think that the addition of coloured manga that exist alongside normal manga is a good thing
If colored manga were to exist as an equally present and available product, b&w manga would be seen as inferior and die out. Color comics are the norm in the west, and b&w comics rarely do well. Manga studios see this, and accordingly treat color like a specialty product.
End product and artistic expression breadth absolutely benefit from color, but speed and cost for studios benefit from no-color. This means more manga gets made with b&w being the norm.
Also this. Those nips will do anything to save a buck, and coloring would often be extraneous.
Most comics look like shit in color.
Its like the colorists just come and butcher the artist's line work.
This, I like garth ennis but fuck are his comics ugly to look at with colors.
Dynamite art is awful, even without color.
Korean webtunes are shit because they're "mass produced, churned out and have really lack luster art", not just because they're in color.
If something is shit then adding color surely isn't going to make it less shit.
I'm not advocating for a total conversion to full color. I only want to see it used when appropriate, and in the hands of people who know how to use it.
I mean, look at this page. Look at the different artsyles fusing across the page. Look at how the color invades the background as Morpheus moves into the room.
Now, I know that JH Williams III is possibly the GOAT comic artist, and I don't mean to imply that this is ordinary. The point I'm trying to make is that this sort of thing wouldn't be possible in manga.
Everything that manga does can be replicated in an industry where both colour and black and white are common, but something like this can't be replicated in just black and white. Do you see what I'm trying to say?
>and b&w comics rarely do well
This isn't really true, seeing as good comics in general don't do well in America. If isn't capeshit and doesn't have adaptions in another medium then it will not sell well, regardless of what the art is like.
That being said, The Walking Dead is one of the best selling comics, and it's in black and white.
I'd actually like to see more western comics in black & white. I'll see art in the inked stage promoting some upcoming superhero comic and think "wow, I'd like to read that" but when the comic comes out it actually looks considerably less impressive in full color. That's not to say that there aren't any comics that look good in color, but B&W doesn't get enough respect in the western comics industry.
It's so nice to see page composition thrown out the window and replaced with arbitrary stacked panels with poor continuity/flow.
But that's the point, they're doing it specifically because it does make it less shit, at least to the general populace. Hear all the people proclaim ToG as the best art ever and that all manga looks like shit. You can't even find any of the glory of traditional manhwa at all. No one can draw and they've decided to focus on colouring things instead.
And the only webtoons I like are the ones who actually use the sense of scrolling well. Which is like none of them.
Asterios Polyp was great.
Black and white is a staple of anthologies, and anthologies are what usually keep comic industries alive, since they allow you to promote less popular comics.
It could be nice to see one or two coloured manga, but were it to become popular it could greatly hurt the industry
You can fuse styles too in manga.
Like on OPM where Saitama is just plain simple compared to other characters and backgrounds
That's because the style is used in function of the story, and is not just a decoration because it's supposed to be there like in some bad manga I read over the years.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that your page somehow looks bad.
>but something like this can't be replicated in just black and white
And I would argue there are things that can never be replicated in colour.
OPM isn't really a fusion of style in that regard. Saitama's simplified form functions in the same manner as a sight gag.
>And I would argue there are things that can never be replicated in colour.
Yes, but if a western artists wanted to be in black and white then they can with do so without trouble, while mangaka really don't have a choice in the matter.
>they can with do so without trouble
I genuinely doubt that. As a whole, I think colouring compensates for some of the shortcomings that artists have.
If you go back and look at artists from earlier decades, when print technology was shittier, a lot of the final print destroyed the artwork. Color has been part of western comics for a long time, though. I don't think it's about compensating for the artist as much as it's about history and tradition. There's also a big difference between an artist coloring their own work and having a separate colorist do it.
Then so that makes it exactly the same as manga. Different histories, different traditions.
Even if you asked for some things to be in one or the other, they've had entirely different evolutions.
Yes, but there are a lot more black and white comics than there are coloured manga
Do any of them have any of the notoriety in spectacular visuals though?
For the most part, I think the need for colour is superfluous. Even detailed art. As long as it's clean, my attention is going to be on something else.
it would be worse than snk, sao, and jojo getting 5 new seasons
Murata has assistants.