How butthurt was /a/ when people realized Nisemonogatari was going to be different than Bake?
Everybody knew Nise was a fanservice novel to boost the sales of Bake anyway.
am i the only one who thought nise had some pretty hilarious moments?
toothbrush scene being one of them
ah ok. so the manga predicted it?
The shitgrammar, shit poster rule of thumb still applies.
LN. fuck. don't lynch me
the anime is based on the LN.
There's still the fact that yes, everyfucking one knows already what will happen.
>tfw i still don't know
Do you want spoilers?
i am so torn, give me a little taste
>different than bake
Only pretentious retards and newfags could think about bake as some super deep shit.
They probably never paid attention to dialogues through the series and other stuff which mostly was just a meta shit and some perverted stuff.
Nise is the same usual shit but instead of several cases just two.
It wasn't that much different, it just covered less so there was time for silly stuff.
Fix your grammar, this isn't a chat room.
...Not at all? Because Nise wasn't different from Bake in the slightest, except for the fact that it had episode 8, which is a cut above the rest in quality.
wtf is this
That's redundant, because Monogatari is a fanservice series.
Nise had a lot of great moments. In fact, the only real complaints people have against it is "muh fanservice" (see above)
Nise was the one that gave us Shinobu and Kaiki, two of the most popular characters in the series. Araragi actually knew the cast now, and as a result his dialogues with Kanbaru, Hachikuji, Shinobu, and Kaiki were more interesting from a developmental perspective. Less Hitagi. (Always a good thing.) He and Shinobu actually did things themselves, instead of just being Oshino's henchman, making him a more interesting protagonist as well. Also Kagenui's fight (in my opinion) was better than the Rainy Devil.
The only thing the original Bake had going for it was the occult atmosphere, due to the nature of Kaii being largely unknown and Oshino being a shady fuck. The actual meat and potatoes of the series doesn't even start until Nise (or, possibly, Kizu.)
>Monogatari is a fanservice series.
Bake wasn't like that.
also the characterization in Nisemono is much better than the characterization in Bake
>Hitagi walking around naked
>Basically every scene with Sengoku
How's that denial treating you?
It was worth it for this scene
Expect more next season
Boku no brush, and try not to spoonfeed yourself too fast.
w-what's wrong with my grammar?
That occult atmosphere disappeared the moment Hanekawa turned into a catgirl.
It was different alright it was better
Little sisters make everything better.
You guys say that as if Araragi does anything but get the shit kicked out of him in "fights". He has yet to put up a good fight against anything or anyone.
What about now?
Incorrect use of spoiler tags.
>a little shit kid vs literal monsters
gee, i bet the fights will be exciting
Better, but quit misusing the spoiler tags. Thanks.
>Karen is a literal monster
gee i didn't know that
Yes everyone knows that, it just gets tiring to type out some variation of "punchingbag session" every time.
>He has yet to put up a good fight against anything or anyone.
Technically he won multiple fights in Kizu, but all of those were in a pretty anticlimactic fashion as well.
You used it the same way!
Just wait till Kizu.
Poor Karen. All the other characters got attacked by kaii that actually did interesting shit. Meanwhile she's just "that girl who got stung by a bee", and it wasn't even real.
Although I do suspect that her obsession with justice and superhuman strength is a hint that she'll turn into Kagenui when she grows up, that is if the Araragi household becomes involved with kaii beyond Koyomi himself.
I assure you that I did not.
Yeah, wait right into that grave.
Now just return to posting on-topic and you'll be all set.
I honestly sometimes just fantasize about how the series would be if they only had a protagonist that was halfway competent.
Like, not even Gaen Izuko or even Oshino Meme competent maybe but someone who doesn't get the shit kicked out of him by literally everyone else in the universe. The scene with the Jiangshi and some guy just cutting down hordes of them with Heart-span would be pretty dope.
Dropped it in the first episode.
It's not any different, still not sure why people think this.
Ok, so will you give me a little spoiler tease?
Competent has nothing to do with it. Araragi's just barely vampire at all. You expect him to be able to fight actual kaii?
B-but... Bakemonogatari was a true masterpiece. A true exemplar of high art. All my hipster friends said so! It wasn't crass, base, and low like all that other evil otaku pandering anime!
All fanservice in Bake was ironic, so it's ok
It's because Araragi is who he is that the series exists in the first place. If he was the type to just kill things he would have either stayed a vampire in Kizu or killed Kissshot, and ended the series. Also, despite how long the series is the time frame is very small, Araragi has been a vampire for only like a year, he's not going to be even one tenth as competent in Oshino in that time. (And Oshino wouldn't go cutting down hordes of former humans with the koko-watari either.)
As questionable as it is to call the fanservice in Bake any more "ironic" than the fanservice in the rest of the series, ironic fanservice is still fanservice.
If you're going to try to make an argument that fanservice is not inherently bad, then you've already defeated your original argument because none of the fanservice in Monogatari thus far has been inherently bad.
I was more annoyed at Bake's original staff completely disappearing for the whole thing, even for Monogatari S2.
They never topped Bake in the end, and it's not because of hurr fanservice.
Fuck you Shitbo.
Monogatari a shit
What if Araragi suddenly turned into Hakumen?
Nise was good too.
Shit, I would probably actually watch that.
NISE A SHIT
You won't get Kizu because Araragi is acting manly in it
it's okay if it's you oniichan
Bake is overrated, the only thing it really has over the other seasons is visual direction and more Crab.
Nise was the pretty much the same, just less apologetic about the fanservice and focused on fleshing out the characters' relationships whereas Bake was about establishing them.
>Less Hitagi (Always a good thing)
>not wanting more screen time for the most interesting character
Shit taste confirmed. Opinion discarded.
I still don't like how the toothbrush scene turned out.
Most of the fun was Araragi's stream of consciousness.
She's completely irrelevant to the story, and Nisio has been actively cutting down her relationship with Araragi since Nise. Liking her is one thing, but to try to claim she's at all interesting is more of a display of bias than understanding of the story.
At this point I almost want LN translations more than anime adaptations. Araragi's narrative is a huge fucking part of the story and with the anime the most you can hope for is readable facial expressions and text frames.
Better direction, proper pacing, better script, the base novel is probably better too. It's not overrated at all.
I wasn't talking about her relevance to the plot. I said she's the most interesting, meaning her personality, backstory, and actions throughout the series. Of course, that's entirely subjective so you're right that my comment was biased. I'm not denying that.
I can't read runes so I only read through a few translated chapters of the first book. For the most part it seemed like everything was covered in the show. Do the later books diverge from what the anime shows? Regardless, I'd kill for full translations. Doesn't seem like it will happen though.
both of you are idiots
>Only pretentious retards and newfags could think about bake as some super deep shit.
This so much.
They're all entertaining shows, but there's nothing so special about Bake that sets it apart from the others, and none of them are "deep," so to speak. They have a lot of dialogue, but that's it. Maybe English speakers who can't read subs fast enough think it's deep because they keep missing shit.
Do you mean visually or story-wise? Because Bake didn't have a story, and visuals are all SHAFT.
You can't consider the SHAFT version to be equivalent to the LNs for this. S2 made this all too obvious.
See both above points. The dialogue was less interesting because Araragi barely knew any of the characters and was just focusing on fixing their issues, Bake had no plot, and SHAFT fucks up a lot.
>the base novel is probably better too.
It really isn't. Despite SHAFT's best efforts that much is obvious.
>It's not overrated at all.
See >>100493575. Bake is so overrated they'll pretend their perceived flaws in it don't exist. (No I'm not trying to make a fanservice argument.)
it's like japanese futurama
the characters make it interesting, not the plot
some people don't understand it
This show's hilarious
It gets really bad in S2, where they're trying to compress individual novels almost the size of Bake on their own into 4 or 5 episodes each, and they had time/budget issues on top of that. I can't speak for Nise though.
What I like the most about Bake is how a lot of what "happens" in the show is either alluded to far, FAR in advance, or hidden in plain sight, so to speak. I don't consider it to be a super deep, but I do think it's damn clever.
Just so you know, you're acting like pretentious faggots yourselves.
I actually prefer Nise over Bake, I really don't see why having more ass-shots could make a show worse. Nise had some great moments like the introduction of kaiki, Shinobu finally speaking and every scene with Karen.
This sums up the nise adaption pretty well.
> If anything, the anime feels somehow consistent with itself, but the books took their own path, and now the adaptation felt a bit like turning Gintama into Rurouni Kenshin.
Out of Bake and Nise, Nise is probably the one I've rewatched the most. Karen's confrontation with Kaiki was far above anything that happened in the first season.
So I'm currently watching Nisemonogatari
Did Bake come first?
I'm pretty confused
Nisemono > Neko > Bakemono
neko has a few melodramatic moments, and isn't fully non-serious lampooning like Nise, which is why i liked it less
Ep8 is the best piece of work ever and that's why Nise is best
LN release order was Bake>Kizu>Nise>Neko Black
Chronologically the series is Kizu>Neko Black>Bake>Nise
episode 7 was better
Airing order was:
It's when you add Neko and Kuze where you get into time fuckery.
But they completely butchered the Karen "fight"
Oddly enough I didn't like the toothbrushing that much when I finally got to it. It was what I was looking forward to the most, but I ended up enjoying everything else about Nise so much that it just felt weak in comparison. Also the scene was much, much better in the LN than the adaptation.
>Hanekawa is supposed to have such a perfect body and amazing face
>nobody hits on her because she's "nerdy"
What superhuman strength?
Nobody hits on her because she's way too perfect
She doesn't even have friends and her family hates her because of it as well
She's the best.
I never had anyone come even close to being mai waifu, but she is pretty much almost there.
I wanna see more of her, I wanna see her again, the tail end of 2nd Season left me with a tragic want for more.
The main high point of the episode was Kaiki. The second high point was Shinobu teasing Araragi during the fight.
The Karen fight wasn't that great and wasn't animated all that well either. The Kagenui fight was by far the best action scene in Nise. (Dat headbutting.)
I didn't like her too much in Bake but in Neko she won me over. Still not my favorite but she's up there.
There's no such thing as too perfect.
I think I have only watched Bake a couple of time, but I rewatch Nise every time I'm bored.
>Also the scene was much, much better in the LN than the adaptation.
Is that chapter translated?
>Karen fight wasn't that great
It would have been if they didn't skip most of it and turn it into dbz. It was like 30 pages long.
>Kagenui fight was by far the best action scene in Nise
Another fight changed for the worse. Lots of stuff left out too.
It's hinted that her karate dojo isn't the most normal one ever. There's that move she used in Nise, which she was apparently never supposed to use outside the dojo. She's also banned from joining any martial arts clubs because it would endanger others. If we ever meet her master I wouldn't be surprised if he/she turned out to be a big deal.
Superhuman strength may be an exaggeration though.
Bullshit, that doesn't stop anyone with a working penis.
Do they ever explain why everyone wants to fug Kanbaru? Karen and Kaiki chief among those people.
In Japanese media it does
I don't think so, but for a while there was a translation floating around that some anon provided.
Because she's attractive?
Karen said that her master was at least close to the level of Yozuru, so I really doubt he/she is a normal person.
It can and does in real life too. Hanekawa is described as being "so perfect that it makes people aware of their own shortcomings, sickening them." That could easily make her deemed unapproachable or annoying by most teenage japanese males, especially considering their natural beta-ness.
Japan is a country with a severely low birth rate. If you think that their highschoolers are fucking like rabbits then you'd probably be mistaken.
They need to learn from the masters
Watch it be Gaen.
Araragi spent 30 pages getting beaten up by his little sister?
I doubt that would happen. Karen's too much of a dumbass to be taught by a psuedo-omniscient like Gaen.
He also spent 30 pages describing Hanekawa's panties, the guy has his priorities.
Was there a point to the toothbrush scene outside of how steamy it was? Like I know some people see how Senjogahara's scene in her underwear in Bake could be seen as how open she is.
I find that difficult to believe.
Brandon Sanderson spent 5 pages describing a sword in one of his books and in an interview he said he was running out of words by page 4.
That Karen wants her onii-chans dick.
It was about 4 pages.
No, Nisio probably just wanted to repeat a scene he did before in a more joking less distribing way.
This guy's analysis of Monogatari made me appreciate the show a lot more.
>top analysis is eotenfiesta
I don't know whether to question his taste or commend his ability to put up with analyzing any series, no matter its quality
>Surprising Complex: Attack on Titan
I said Monogatari, not Attack on Titan.
12/10 would donate kidney for
>Why are there no other people in the whole world than Araragi and the girls? (Senjougahara's dad is also explainable)
>Why do objects (Cars, bicycles and houses) not connected to Araragi all look exactly the same?
>Why are the violent and sexual scenes often so gratuitous?
While the first one is a fine (but obvious to the point everyone knows it) point, the last two just sounds like he's mistaking SHAFTism for being DEEP. Does he not realize this is an LN adaptation?
Do we know if Nisio had zero input on how it was adapted?
Okay, I'm dense as shit... but if it turns out Kaiki is dead as rocks I'm quitting this show.
He was by far the best character.
Anything he told us could've been untrue.
And at the end, they do it again
Karen is best grill
>somebody outside of /a/ talking about anime
Oh boy, this'll end well.
It just tells me things I've already considered. I can't stand it when people go about spouting this crap and then getting praised for pretending as though they're the only people capable of thinking about things in the world.
Shinbo was the director, not Nisio, and those things are described as SHAFTisms specifically because they are characteristic of SHAFT. Yes the sexual scenes are described gratuitously because Araragi is a horny teenager, however that is not "surprisingly complex" by any stretch of the imagination. Same goes for the violence, however the opinion that the excessive violence is an exaggeration due to Araragi's pain is unlikely, considering he is a vampire and getting dismembered is pretty much par for the course for him. Other things like Karen's DBZ antics were purely SHAFT changing the way the scene plays out, as are them using psychedelic colors for the Rainy Devil fight. (As far as I know Araragi didn't describe his blood as being green or whatever in the LN.) Either way they have extremely little to do with the story and aren't very deep or interesting as far as "insights" go.
The Nise article wasn't any better. Nothing about interpersonal relationships, foreshadowing, or other storytelling subtleties. (Nisio has a shitload of them in Bake and Nise alone.) Just this shit about money and justice as recurring themes. (No shit? They were only the central point to both arcs!)
Overall I'm pretty unimpressed. Can't say I'm surprised when it was written like a year ago with only anime to go by though. I'm glad there are some folks that recognize that Monogatari is more than just a fanservicey harem comedy though, and he did at least pick up on some things. (Like the foreshadowing against the Senjougahara relationship, but really, that's practically shoved in your face from Neko onward.)
That's not how you spell Hanekawa.
She's not even best Araragi.
What is with you deepdeepfags? It's a fucking anime. Stop crying about people exasperating its content for entertainment value. Protip: That's what it's all about...entertainment. Grow up.
All Monogataris are great (well, except maybe Snake) but Hitagi gets my vote.
Hitagi completely killed her image for me on that episode. Stupid bitch.
Does Tsukihi has some kind of reaction about Nadeko's disappearance in the LN? She should feel like shit, the last time she saw her she did this and Nadeko goes missing on the next day.
Like >>100500307 said, this is all being narrated by Kaiki, as far as we know maybe Hitagi just kicked Kaiki's ass and force him to help her.
I guess you're right. She would never cry over these things.
You seem awfully butthurt about someone giving their honest opinion on an internet blog. If you are in fact the writer of that blog you should learn to take criticism. If you aren't then you should consider why you're a pathetic enough person to be offended by someone's opinion on a completely different person's opinion.
Either way you be glad I gave you the benefit of reading and providing an opinion rather than just reporting you for clickbaiting.
>on an internet blog
Stopped reading. No idea what you're babbling about and you're an inbred retard to be persisting.
Tsukihi is kind of a psychopath, so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't care in the end.
Maybe you should learn to read the reply chain next time, that way you won't make yourself look like such a moron.
Except that's how you have made yourself look.
It wasn't really different. If you re-watch bakemonogatari, you'll definitely notice it more.
It's still great.
She cried when she thought Hanekawa was missing too. Don't really see the big deal.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, anon. If you just want to shitpost instead of discuss Monogatari I have nothing left to say to you.
Okay out of ten.
Mommy, daddy, please stop fighting
Post something cute then.
Yeah, it was even more clichéd, repetitive and anticlimactic than Bake. I'm still admiring my past self to be able to contain the rage after each episode and actually follow those two abominations through till the end. A necessary pain, as it killed all temptation to ever watch anything -monogatari again.
It's no wonder, since she is not human
Creative writing class is that way.
Is Shinobu cute?
Only the cutest. Beautiful too. Simultaneously.
I actually hated Shinobu at the start of Nise. I felt bad for her in Bake but that first scene in Nise where she talked (while bathing with Koyomi) made me think she was a bratty, unlikeable cunt. Needless to say by the time I finished Nise my opinion completely reversed.
I keep forgetting about that and I'm still not sure how it works. Does that bird/phoenix or whatever the fuck it was have some kind of conscience or does it loses all his memories every time it reborn?
Have you read Kizu? That bath scene is godly after you know what's going on.
No. I'm >>100495980 and only read a few chapters of Bake. I don't like the idea of reading shit out of order, as retarded as that sounds in this situation. Once the anime wraps up I'll read what's translated, but for now I'm holding off.
Last seasons installment is the best so far.
If I were you I'd go with that dislike for now. I did read Kizu before diving into Nise, and it felt much, much better to actually understand many of the latter's details. You don't even have to read Bake;just Kizu is enough.
You mean crabfags.
Yeah it ain't going to get any better once you move on to S2. Just get Kizu over with then do what I did and rewatch the entire series in order.
I didn`t know anything about the series whatsoever, sat down, went through bake-kuro-nise and liked all three equally.
Maybe it`s because I don`t overreact to occasional fanservice, huh.
Those legs look so soft.
Oh, Shinobu, you silly.
I'm a crabfag and I liked Nise just fine.
Okay, I'm going to start reading Kizu right now.
Only Shaft can make still legs look so soft.
I'm just not seeing.
I wasn't at all, I enjoyed the characters dialogues and interactions. Only retards who try to turn it into a deep series cared enough.
I think I'm going to go watch Courage to Tell a Lie a couple of times now.
Nise was much better than Bake. Bake just felt entirely like a poorman's Ghostbusters with a shit ending. Nise went full pants on retarded with the fanservice. But good fanservice at that.
Both are good shows. Fun things are fun.
I'd say the majority of the deepfags who knew anything at all enjoyed Nise and beyond. Monogatari's story didn't actually start until the end of/after Bake. Bake was just an introductory chapter.
As Shinobu said, the phoenix is a cuckoo, and what the cuckoo does is push out the eggs of other birds and leaves it's own in their places.
What this means is the phoenix effectively aborted Araragi's real sister in it's embryonic stage and replaced it. As far as we know Tsukihi has no knowledge of this, however it's highly unlikely that she's never noticed that she's immune to any physical injury.
Do you know what "pretentious" even means?
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
Contrary to what you may think, being a naysayer doesn't automatically exclude you from being a pretentious asshat. See: Every overly-cynical douchebag ever.
How is being an "overly-cynical douchebag" got anything to do with
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed
>karen just rips off her ponytail and has short hair
>hanashita gets short hair
>and now has contacts or just doesn't wear glasses
no dammit, she should remain worst girl mc4eyes
>tshukasi gets haircut
>senjoguharah gets haircut
>kanbaru, the one who looked best with short hair, grows it out
fuck the koreans who drew this
She's slightly changed though. I hate her "new" personality, I liked her ice-cold personality that went so well with her hime-cut. But then she cut her hair and was all like "I'm changing!" and I haven't seen her throw a stapler in someone's face ever since.
>Shinobu's legs spread wide
Is there a continuation of this?
What did you just say m8
What kind of baffles me is how she got attached to Hanekawa out of the blue. Just... why? I love Hanekawa, but I see no reason for Senjougahara to suddenly start clinging to her like that.
>no dammit, she should remain worst girl mc4eyes
Good thing everything you love is dying.
Doesn't Tsukihi grow her hair like obnoxiously long by S2 though? I recall one scene with Araragi and his sisters and she had a braid so long she was practically wearing it as a scarf.
I can't watch *monogatari. It always makes me motion sick.
And my favourite hentai is wobbly-camera-kun so that's saying a lot.
It's a powerpoint presentation.
You're telling me that you can't watch Powerpoints?
What was it? Imouto paradise?
>These pretentious assholes have no idea what they're talking about, but I do!
Why is sengoku such a worst character?
Why is shinobu best girl?
I havent even touched the LNs, I did a quick check and it looks to be around the same place as the anime. How do I got more shinobu goodness?
>How do I got more shinobu goodness?
Yeah but isnt that kinda not shinobu?
Meanwhile best girl will never cut her hair and can always grow it at will anyway.
What? Kizu is all about Shinobu.
Her hair changes in almost every episode. I'm guessing it grow long every couple of days and she has to cut it constantly.
Do you mean the bottom left one?
Which Tsukihi is best Tsukihi?
Although it might not be quite what he's looking for. You see a pretty different side of Shinobu (well not really, she's carefree as hell in Kizu too most of the time) in Kizu.
Shorthair or sexhair. For someone who changes hair a lot she doesn't seem to have a very good sense of style though.
>there are people that seriously believe that Koimonogatari isn't the best Monogatari arc
Why didn't you protect his smile, /a/?
I don't know about it making me butthurt but my dick sure hurt afterwards.
>my face when Nise shit eaters try to pull revisionist bullshit on Bake
Can't you just be content with the loads of terrible shit you get to enjoy since the series is nothing like the first two books?
How are the books any different from each other?
She gets bored, I remember when I had long hair, I'd mess with it everyday getting shitty styles to be more amused. Then hormones kicked in and I looked like a faggot, so I had to cut my hair.
thats right dude
>tfw no shinobu to feed donuts
>Everybody knew Nise was a fanservice novel to boost the sales of Bake anyway.
Not true at all. In fact the novel was never intended to be published at all.
> their are people in this thread who don't realize Kaiki is best girl
>what is character development
She was never a true ice queen. She just hid behind that mask.
I don't think her feelings for Hanekawa developed out of the blue, she just hid them. Plus, remember she was isolated for two years or so. But before that she was popular and sociable, and it's safe to assume that's her natural inclination. But after feeling she was abandoned by her mother, and then placed in a self-imposed exile for two years, I think she just has trouble expressing herself to people initially. But once she finally let her guard down around Hanekawa she began being more blunt about how she feels about her. She did the same for Araragi.
Speaking of Araragi, I think part of the reason Hitagi is so clingy with Hanekawa is because she knows Kyomomi cares for her. When she thought Hanekawa went missing (but she was actually just sleeping at the cram school) Hitagi panicked because she was the last person to see her, and if something happened to Hanekawa she might have been afraid that Koyomi would blame her for it.
Plus, Hitagi knows Hanekawa has feelings for Koyomi. So I think part of it is the whole "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kind of thing. They have a complex relationship.
Kaiki is literally the only good thing about Nise and one of the few things inline with the driving concept of the original.
I'd say there is more evidence against that than there is supporting it. Nisio's "official" statements aren't very high in credibility.
>When she thought Hanekawa went missing (but she was actually just sleeping at the cram school) Hitagi panicked because she was the last person to see her, and if something happened to Hanekawa she might have been afraid that Koyomi would blame her for it.
>Plus, Hitagi knows Hanekawa has feelings for Koyomi. So I think part of it is the whole "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kind of thing. They have a complex relationship.
They do have a complex relationship, but I think you're looking too deep into it. Senjougahara wouldn't consider Hanekawa a threat (She sets Hanekawa up at Araragi's place where she literally sleeps on Araragi's bed while he's gone. Not the actions of someone who considers Hanekawa a threat) or as an enemy. When she cried after finding Hanekawa, those were tears of relief upon seeing that she was safe, and the way it was executed, I'm pretty sure it's not because Araragi would be upset. Senjougahara has come to genuinely care about Hanekawa.
Of course, all this is speculation and there's no way to know for sure.
>one of the few things inline with the driving concept of the original.
What are you even talking about?
Hitagi's going to turn out to be gay for Hanekawa, just you watch. Their relationship even apparently starts to get pretty lewd when Araragi apologizes for cheating on her. (Kissing the three lolis.) However I don't know which novel that happens in or if it was a load of bull.
Who are the three lolis?
Kaiki and Shinobu really made Nise in my eyes, but I found Bake to be more engaging and interesting overall. The cases with Oshino were the best part of the show.
Both are still decent.
You haven't watched Monogatari before, have you?
I have. I guess I wasn't considering peace peace as a loli, for some reason.
First monogatari thread I've seen in a while where anyone thought that Tsukihi was better.
Why does everyone like Karen so much? Tsukihi is more about fun, and if you did anything lewd with Karen you'd just fracture your ribs and/or pelvis.
Subversion of reader expectations and then calling the reader on it is what Bakemonogatari was about. Kaiki follows that tradition. Nothing else in Nise does (except maybe Shinobu starting to talk like it's nothing).
Tsukihi is just cuter in every way, including her voice. Her OP in Nise is one of my favourites ever.
Well I think it's a mix of all those things. I think Hitagi was crying partly because she was genuinely relieved that Hanekawa was safe, but I also think her insecurities regarding Koyomi played a role as well. After all, she immediately agreed to release Koyomi in the beginning of Nise because Hanekawa threatened to ask him out if she didn't. So obviously Hitagi's at least a little threatened by her. But like you said it's speculation. That's just my interpretation of things.
She just likes to fuck with Araragi. And by that point I think she trusts Hanekawa pretty well so it's probably just to tease Koyomi. Assuming that even happens, that is. I'm not an LNfag (although I'm halfway through Kizu now thanks to this thread) so I can't tell you for sure.
>All HanaKana roles sound the same
No wonder snake is worst.
I love Karen but as >>100511244 says Tsukihi is just too cute.
You seem to have not watched many shows.
I haven't, at best 250~
Here's what I could pull from the archive.
>Because he kissed three girls in a matter of days he had to bow in apology towards Hitagi while naked
>She didn’t forgive him and in the end had to watch a yuri scene between her and Hanekawa as punishment
I think the implications here are interesting. The first and foremost is that Hitagi didn't enforce the rule she set with violence like she originally threatened, but it was obvious she wouldn't. She also didn't directly threaten their relationship, because Hitagi is too dependent on Araragi to do so.
Instead she takes the indirect route, by making Araragi watch her "cheat" with Hanekawa. There are different ways this can be interpreted. As we know, Hitagi is to some degree self-conscious about her own appearance, so she enlists Araragi's sexual idol Hanekawa to help rekindle his interest in her. (On the assumption that he cheats because he is unsatisfied with their relationship.) On the other hand, she could be basically threatening Araragi that "when you cheat, I cheat with Hanekawa. Therefore if you don't stop, I'll leave you for Hanekawa", basically threatening that he not only has his girlfriend to lose for this, but also that she'll NTR his idol from him as well.
This is speculation with very little basis obviously. I really wish there was a more detailed account of the events so the dynamics at work were more easily readable, but I think the fact alone that she chose that as the punishment has interesting implications for the state of their relationship.
If I were Araragi, I'd love to see Hanekawa and Senjougahara going at it.
This sounds way too much like a doujin I once read, though. So I wouldn't put too much trust into whoever mentioned it.
>nservice in Monogatari thus far has been inherently bad
It's apparently from the summary at at the end of Shinobu Time, like at the same part where he's telling Ougi the story. It might be something cut from the anime but I don't know, someone who knows moon may be able to look at it.
It sounds a lot like http://exhentai.org/g/633212/da5fe750d7/ but with different characters.
Of course, this could be based on that scene in the novel, if it does exist.
That's certainly interesting. It's not exactly much info to go off of but I can see where you're coming from at least. It could be bullshit or from a doujin like >>100513027 said though. God, I wish we had translated LNs.
Also, after thinking about a Yuri scene between those two I'm pretty sure I'll never be limp again.
Considering how much the anime likes to lay on the fanservice I have a hard time believing they wouldn't at least allude to that scene.
After what they did to Kabuki I wouldn't be surprised at anything.
They also skipped Araragi molesting Shinobu in Kabukimonogatari and a bunch of other stuff, they really massacred that arc.
Anime-onlyfag here. What did they do to it?
Here's the threat I got it from. It seems the anon did a summary of all of Shinobu Time. I'm reading through it because it seems like there's some interesting stuff left out of the anime.
>Araragi explains that Shinobu should know something about it
>Ononoki starts to badmouth her and says even though her master is in danger she can still sleep
>Araragi doesn’t blame her since she just did several time leaps
>Ononoki says he shouldn’t be over-confident since there doesn’t exist someone who is knowledgeable about every Kaii
>She says that in the end one can only count on yourself
>She then stands up and tells him that she doesn’t have time to be here since she came to this town because of a job
That last line I think is pretty interesting. It gives the impression that Ononoki is envious of Araragi and Shinobu's relationship, whereas there is a degree of distance between herself and Kagenui. It's something that is hinted at in the anime a couple times, but this scene seems suggest it much more strongly. It also gives a stronger context to why Ononogi intentionally tried to drive a wedge between them with that kiss.
Butchered it pretty thoroughly. Like 70% of the dialogue and scenes got cut out just so they could fit the main story into 4 episodes. Kabuki is one of the longest novels adapted in S2, and because Nisio likes to do important character development through "unnecessary" dialogue the entire arc suffered a huge deal as a result.
Forgot my pic related.
There's also some text frames where Yotsugi says that Kagenui wouldn't hesitate to abandon them when it came down to it. It seems she's pretty bitter at Kagenui about something, and by extension Araragi and Shinobu.
Funny you say that considering Nisio Isin considers Bake, Kizu, and Nise to all be works of fiction he created that he did not want to share with anyone else except for only himself.
>1) Nisio's postscript for Bake:
Speaking without fearing misunderstandings, this "Bakemonogatari" is a novel I wrote 100% for hobby.
There is not a particle of work in it. It is a novel I originally wrote as a diversion to fill a large hole in the schedule, so frankly I have my doubts on whether it could be published.
Since I wrote it as a hobby I am utterly ashamed that it will become evident the author's personal character ranking, however no matter the character I really enjoyed writing the dialogues.
>2) Nisio's postscript for Kizu:
If "Bakemonogatari" was a novel written 100% for hobby, then "Kizumonogatari" is a novel written 120% for hobby.
Originally it was a bunch of stories the author, me, should have been satisfied the moment he finished writing them, and should have sealed them away without letting them catch the eye of other people, but in the light of the fact that because of some mistake it was decided they would become a book like this, splendidly adorned using the drawing power of the illustrator Vofan and officially published, more than saying thanks to everyone I feel like I have to do some serious reconsideration as a professional, anyway sometimes things like this happen, so I'm lucky to receive your magnanimity.
Obviously, if the readers can enjoy this two-part story, where I wrote so much there is nothing left to write, it's a further blessing. Using this blessing as provisions, starting from tomorrow I'll try to work for real.
Nisio also says he hates to see bad things happen to cute girls.
SO Snail wasn't considered cute in his eyes.
Is Monogatari his biggest money maker now?
Then why'd he release it? Seems like a load of bullshit to me.
Err, I mean that I think he's full of shit about never intending to release it. I'm not doubting the anon who is quoting him. Just wanted to clear that up.
Of course it is. More than half of what Nisio says is bullshit.
>It seems that ever since she was a toddler her mother never treated her like a child but an adult
>What this means is that Kanbaru was always told things that are beyond her maturity
>These life lessons are so weird that they have been stuck in her mind after all these years
>With that being said Kanbaru doesn't see her as a normal person
>It seems that her mother and father actually eloped because the Kanbaru family didn't agreed with their relationship
>On the first day of school Kanbaru wakes up with a cold sweat because she dreamt that her mother woke her up by saying something along the lines of, "Wakey wakey, my stupid daughter, today is the start of a new heartpounding school term."
>It seems that whenever she goes to sleep she would bind her devil's arm to a pillar so that she wouldn't start sleepwalking and committing crimes.
>She would also check the newspaper everyday so that she can make sure she didn't do anything
Being Kanbaru is suffering.
I wish Senjougahara had accepted Kanbaru instead of latching onto Araragi.
I honestly doubt that would have done her much good. Kanbaru acts like a friendly tomboy, but she's almost as much of a headcase as Hanekawa, and probably more volatile because she deals with a LOT of negative emotions rather than just "stress".
Hana in general is really fucking dark.
>Nisio also says he hates to see bad things happen to cute girls.
>It would have been cruel even just forcing her to reveal in front of her new friends in our new class that she knew a story about a devil, so I glossed over a little with a lie: "It's nothing important, earlier I had received a mail about that from Araragi-senpai".
>"Araragi-senpai!?" "Eh, just now did Kanbaru say Araragi-senpai!?" "By Araragi-senpai you mean that Araragi-senpai!?" "The legendary one!?" "The legendary Araragi-san!?" "A legendary mail from the legendary Araragi-san!?" "Eh, what what, is Kanbaru a mail friend of Araragi-senpai!?" "For real!?" "What is he doing now!?"
>It became a commotion that reached the other group of girls who stood farther away. Rather than a little, I had glossed it over big time.......
I had a hunch that Araragi was actually good with girls canonically, but jesus christ this is ridiculous.
How the fuck can you turn something like brushing teeth into something lewd?
That's the result of Kanbaru talking about him, not Araragi himself.
>Fun Fact: Kanbaru Suruga spread a rumor amongst the girls of Naoetsu High that Araragi Koyomi can make breasts grow by fondling them.
I was never appealed to watch this, but would it be fulfilling if you're a siscon and that's the only reason you want to watch it?
There are other girls involved that aren't his sisters right?
That'd kind of hurt.
>That hand movement.
Don't watch it if you only want the sisters.
Nise is about his sisters, but other than a few fanservice scenes, his relationship with them isn't sexual in nature.
I see, but even before that I'm pretty sure Hanekawa mentions he's pretty famous. I think that was in Kizu.
He also sweet-talked those girls from the past in Kabuki pretty trivially. "Legendary" is really pushing it though, so if gossip is involved that makes a lot more sense.
>Captcha: swags isureri
Thanks, it seemed like they were kind of the only girls in the story, so I just figured even if it wasn't overly sexual, there'd be more scenes like the toothbrush one.
I'm not really in it for a bit of fanservice or PLOT, so I guess never-mind.
there's some teasing
it's kind of over the top and meant to be ridiculous though
this is screenshot is actually from Nekomonogatari
My siscon maiden heart.
>Arararagi's right hand
How did I not notice that when I watched it.
>"Ah, listen to this, Kanbaru-san. My brother is really incredible. The other day he says ´I have some time off, let's play´ and he enters in my room half-naked, when suddenly with a nail clipper on my bare skin"
>"......Is it okay for me to listen to this story?"
>Isn't that a secret just between siblings?
>I can't listen even if she tells me to.
>Why do those words collaborate, even someone like me feels a little turned off.
>I had felt elated with the idea of substituting the nail clipper with scissors, but when I hear that, not anymore.
>"This is so strange. My brother had no hesitation in declaring that his sisters are super annoying, that he won't go to our funeral, but the moment I graduated from middle school he suddenly wants to play with me. Maybe he is getting older too"
>I ardently pray the reason is not because Karen-chan changed from a middle schooler to a high schooler. Next time I will ask Araragi-senpai's inclinations to Tsukihi -- though I haven't had much contact with his sister, who is still a middle schooler.
>Araragi-senpai was desperately afraid that I could make a move on his sister, but regardless if he gets older or graduates, whether he changes or not, he is Araragi-senpai. My impression is the opposite of Karen-chan's.
Apparently they get kinky with more than just toothbrushing too.
I'm waiting for the ending that reveals Araragi has been dicking all the heroines offscreen all series long.
Rejection is apparently a really serious thing in japan. People won't approach her if they don't think they can live up to her standards.
Nisemonogatari was much better. More of Araragi dicking around with comedic dialogue that this thing that Monogatari calls a plot. And even with 200% more fanservice, it still had more profound moments with Araragi and his relationship with his sisters.
anal sundering of 2013 right here
Is that moot?
That's David Bowie you cockguzzling rainbowrider
Neko was suppose to have incest fanservice equal to Karen's fanservice in Nise but Shaft totally shafted us and cut everything out and fucked over Nisio Isin fans who Nisio mentioned he received complaints that Tsukihi didn't get any love in Nise so he made it up to them in Neko in the form of Araragi raiding Tsukihi's panties drawers and getting caught in the act and then to distract her, gets into a long philosogical debate on why imoutos should only wear white underwear not to mention all that feet licking done by Araragi to Tsukihi and then feet groping her breasts and treating it like a video game controller as Araragi totally dominates Tsukihi in a BDSM play.
All this shit was cut out from Neko because Shaft are faggots and why it feels like Tsukihi never got her arc in monogatari because Shaft completely skipped it and it is too late now to include it.
I feel like I've seen this exact same post before. Is this a pasta now?
Anyway, why did Shaft cut Tsukihi fanservice out, though? Wouldn't it have sold even more had they included that as well?
Same reason why Shaft didn't animate Kanbaru's hot grandma in Nise and just gave us Kanbaru's eyeball with the Japanese word for grandma on it.
Shaft are faggots. Enough said.
Kanbaru's grandma was supposed to be hot?
And anyway, Tsukihi fanservice would've actually made a big difference, unlike the grandma. More Tsukihi fans would've bought the BDs, perhaps.
To answer your questio, OP:
/a/ knew exactly what it was getting into. Even before nise was announced, /a/ held daily "tooth brush threads", committed to the newly discovered fetish.
The was even one namefag who claimed to brush his sister's teeth regularly because of the LN, and would write detailed reports of his incestuous descent as the progressed over time.
/a/ knew it was coming. And it was everything we wanted and more.
I have bad news
I never really got a good look at this screen- what with how it only shows up for half a second- but holy fuck that look.
Third season opens with Koyomi and Tsukihi sibling bathtime fun so don't worry too much about that
Doesn't matter. Prequel.
Third season as in LNs?
he knocked his sister up and they have a kid
10-year-old Kissshot doesn't fuck around
The LNs apparently use the "season" division too
Bake, Nise, Neko and Kizu are all the "First Season"
I always figured it was fake, but that's breaking my suspense of belief right there.
kizu is next r-right?
>just finished marathoning S2 last night
>2/3 best characters killed off
>worst girl becomes second best living
RIP Kaiki :_;
BUT WHO WAS OUGI?
We all can dream, anon.
Who's the other best character?
Kaiki's not dead, we'll see him again in Hanamonogatari
Am I the only one who never cared about Kaiki?
I'm sure you'll find other people who can't appreciate a well written character somewhere around here anon.
Not every well written character is a likable character, anon. And not every likable character is well written either.
What book explains what took place during neko white after snail with the kanbaru stuff?
>2011 + 1 + 1 + 1
>not liking the ghost loli with a speech impediment
Don't lie to me about that anon, he got his head caved in! Or is it back in time again?
I didn't care about him in Nise but having 6 episodes of character development does things man
Wasn't that just part of their running gag?
I know. Which is why I enjoyed watching him put Gahara in her place.
>getting killed by a kid
Are Japanese this weak?
Of course, but I used it to differentiate from ononoki (even though I guess she's a corpse not a ghost but it's almost 5am)
On an unrelated note as I clear out my backlog: Why is Railgun S chronlogically before index? I am really confused right now
Railgun -> Railgun S / Index -> Index II
An entire arc of Railgun S and Index is the same, but Railgun S has it in Misaka's PoV whereas Index has it in Touma's PoV.
If you're going to watch the anime instead of reading the LN or manga, watch Railgun and Railgun S first. That arc is handled way better in Railgun S, and would be ruined if you watch Index first.
Unfortunately I watched them when they came out, so it made me confused when she just now met touma. If I ever show it to someone I will do it that way just as I would give them haruhi in chronological order.
Thank you for the explanation though
Oh, well, that sucks. The sisters arc is done really well in Railgun S, whereas it was pretty bland in Index. Someone watching Railgun S first would most probably come to like Misaka 9982 before she gets brutally killed, whereas in Index it's hard to feel anything about that.
Technically it wasn't cut, and really, she's really cute with short hair. She's always cute.
Man, at first, I couldn't understand why people were going on about Shinobu so much. And then >>100509355
happened. Been pretty much a slippery slope since then.
Yeah, it's a shame that most of the rest of the show is fairly boring though. At least S seems to be better than the original railgun so far but it isn't index levels of cuhrazy. Either way it's better than nothing, right?
I think that's Nisio's intention. She's had the most focus and development out of any heroine since Kizu.
Hell, even in just Bake when she didn't have a single line of dialogue she had an unusually large following.
I have to wonder if Araragi ever goes into more detail about holding hands with her in the novels. Only the first time in Kabuki is translated. He frequently mentions her eyes, her hair, and her collar bones, so I would be surprised if he didn't go into special detail about her hands. (Or her lips, when kissing.)
He's friendly with Shinobu but every now and then he's reminded of the awe he has for her. It would be surprised if developments like those didn't cause any significant thoughts for him.
>Just finished Monogatari Second Season
how would that even work
mfw the main plot of Monogatari turns out to be exploring Shinobu and Araragi's relationship.
I'm okay with this.
It's really looking like this is the case. Shinobu has been getting consistent screen time from the start with a slow, but steady reveal of what her relationship with Araragi is. Sort of like it were a huge, overarching plot.
>sort of like it were a huge, overarching plot
just like her bra size
If so, I can be glad that Araragi chose Senjougahara rather than Hanekawa.
I think we were rather okay with it. Bake was great, and Nise was the best fanservice you could ask for.
Hana was mainly self-deprecation from Kanbaru and her remembering strange pieces of advice from her mother. Her main issue is the attachments with the Gaen family which should prove interesting.
Hanekawa's abnormality isn't really shown that well by Shaft, especially since they skipped over a lot of internal monologue with White. People got the idea that she was some robot, but she had more than just stress, it was envy, hate, lust, loneliness, and a host of other things. "Stress" just highlighted the result from feeling those things and why she cut her heart. The big things the monologues from Black Hanekawa and the epilogue were supposed to show that she had a noble spirit encased in all that rage, and she won't ever be a "normal" person, no matter how hard she tries.
The main thing Nisio does with his characters and especially seems to be one of the themes of Monogatari is that "you are who you are, no matter how painful that is, or what misfortune you have" or basically, "accept your lot in life or you'll have trouble". Hanekawa's lot just was really hard to accept, which was the point of her story.
Nasu says the same thing sometimes, so what does that tell you? Japanese authors are liars.
The reasoning for it is simple, she was the one that trained Hitagi to become more of a normal girl. She also tried to train the emo out of Araragi after Kizu, and he mentions this in Nise.
Despite her issues, she is thought of as basically the team mom of the group. That is why she gets the moniker "Basa-nee". Also, she and Hitagi have a special kindred spirit thing going on, you'll see more if Shaft does it right for Third Season. They seem to understand it somewhat, because they showed the two pretty much holding hands in Koi's ED.
It was why Kanbaru said she didn't like the "little world" between the two in Nise when she spoke privately with Koyomi.
You know,that puts that scene where Senjougahara got mad at Hanekawa for rejecting the idea of dating her father and becoming her mother in a new light.
What if, and this is just specula, that Hitagi is using Hanekawa as more of a surrogate mother figure? That would be pretty twisted, but might explain their closeness somewhat.
I came across this book while searching the internet for Junichi Sato. Is the cover supposed to be Shinobu?
Anyway, he's a passage from it:
>Thus, Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari could be said to deploy the supernatural as a means of dramatizing the often painful rites of passage through darkness and mystery - St. John of the Cross' Dark Night of the Soul, as it were - which are integral to any genuine process of self-discovery and self-development.