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Guide:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit
Old) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QkKNc3AYP5sOv23FRjBoCs2dDzHN83BuT1T_aRU21t0/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net

Previous thread: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100444019/
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おはようございます~
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くそ
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fuck this radical man
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What do you guys think of learning vocabulary with OPs and EDs? Since I was watching sakura trick OP over and over I thought "well why don't search the lyrics, check the words you don't understand and then listen to it again?" I now "know" 側 and 高鳴る and 高度and 鼓動 and some more.
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I claim this thread for kansai people!
The most fun, candid and friendly people in Japan!
いくで!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2u_Xpv3AuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WGH_NZVpns
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7512797
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>>100478291
今 午後 六時 です.
こんばんわ

Oh god I fucked up somehow didn't I
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>>100479492
Yes, your nihongou is awful
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>>100479527
Well, time to give up then
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>>100479492
whyareyouusingspaces
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>>100479348
>The most fun, candid and friendly people in Japan!
同意です
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I uploaded the audio from a reading of 四月の魔女の部屋:
https://mega.co.nz/#!CBFwSLaD!Vq_SND9aCN_TJEbtQ-ESuWpn351G8mxPivKr2QDDeK8

The books can be found here:
http://tatari.byethost33.com/tmfools/11/april_001.htm

I thought you guys might find it useful.
I have a couple of other audio readings, one for Tsuki no Sango and one for Phenomeno, I'll see about getting those up.
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>>100479148
i asked that a few days ago and people said that is shit because (just like in english) they don't use correct grammar and shit all of the time when they sing songs.

unless i was getting fed disinfo or something, i don't know
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>>100479566
JustoutofhabitIthink.
Shouldprobablystopdoingthat,don'tI?
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>>100479577
I knew 同感 but I have never heard of 同意 before, sort of interesting.
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>>100479492
You fucked up
こんばんは
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http://www.rosettastone.com/learn-japanese
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>>100479782
>は
Why does it keep happening?
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>>100479616
>they don't use correct grammar and shit all of the time when they sing songs
People don't use correct grammar and shit all of the time when they talk either. But that doesn't mean that Japanese people don't understand what people are singing, or that Japanese people who write songs don't understand the language.

The people in these threads often have a very limited and skewed understanding of language and language learning; it's not necessarily disinfo, but there are a lot of ignorant people desperately trying to reassure themselves about the blind decisions they made by telling other people to do the same thing.
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>>100479891
To be fair, they were talking about learning. While you can understand slightly wrong grammar (in many languages you'd be fucked if you didn't), maybe you shouldn't exactly learn from a medium that tends to fuck up these things for the sake of sounding good.
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>>100479891
Sure you can approach it from that angle and I won't say there aren't people that are blinded by narrow approaches to learning Japanese and languages in general.

However, learning from songs in Japanese is a course of action I don't think is particularly fruitful for someone with little knowledge of Japanese and who is actively trying to memorize and learn sentence structures, I do believe though it makes retention of Japanese vocab easier, its far easier to remember words you have heard in a song than words you had to look up while reading a book unless you've had to look up that word(s) many many times.
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みんなさんどこに住んでいますか
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>>100479874
Why does he look like a mushroom cloud in the thumb, so misleading.
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雄犬は雌犬お尻を舐めるものだ
それが自然の姿なのだよ
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>>100479348
なんでやねん
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>>100479148
You should learn vocabulary that comes with what you use the language for.
If you intend to move to japan to start a business then obviously using OPs and EDs as vocabulary source is a bad idea.
But if you're going to use it for anime and the likes then it's no problem using anime for vocabulary too.

Because I use my english mostly for video games and movies I've learned useful everyday terms like pauldron.
But only very recently learned that the thing on this picture is called "powerstrip", as I for the first time in my life had to discuss electronic appliances in english.
And no doubt browsing 4chan has enriched my vocabulary with many useful terms... english sure does have a lot and extremely specific racial slurs.

Also I find it much more easy to learn and remember vocabulary when I do something fun.
So I get most of my japanese vocabulary too from games and anime/movies or internet streams.
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>>100479609
わたしは醜い魔女です。
I love her soft voice so much.
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>>100479348
What's the explanation for the reactions? Can I do this to people when I go to Osaka?
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how many kanji do I need to know before starting a vocab deck like core2k.
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>>100479348

>Finger gun

If you do that in an American school then you get expelled.
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>>100480698
None
Just learn them with the vocab
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私は猫ですよ
にゃあ
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So this is the Translator-grooming thread.
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Downloaded a random LN for word mining and to test how much I'd understand.
Already stuck on what I presume is the chapter title:
部長の大道反彩華

My guess is that 大道反彩華 is the name of a club of some sort since it's not on jisho and there's only 1 result on google.
But it's not really "Head of X", is it? Wouldn't that be written as 大道反彩華の部長?
If it is a name, should I understand what the club is about or something?
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>>100480758
0/10
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>>100480909
Well sorry if that's a shitty way to go about it or whatever, but that's what I did.
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>>100480966
why is this bad? it's what i'm doing and it's working rather well
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>Anki

Nigga do you even pleb?
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>>100480901
>Already stuck on what I presume is the chapter title
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>>100481103
>First day 12/23/2013
>Trying to feel superior about anything
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>>100481054
You think it's working well, because you're at a stage where you're too stupid (inexperienced) to differentiate what works well and what doesn't.
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>>100480901
The club leader, Oochigaeshi Ayaka
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>>100480901
I just realized, could it be a name of a person? Jisho returns a couple of results in the name dictionary.

>>100481148
I know... But if you're any better, feel free to help out.
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>>100481305
Thank you!
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Why is this called 僕は友達 instead of 僕の友達?
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>>100481402
Because that would make no sense at all? Seriously?
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>>100481402
xはyがz is a common construction that indicates some characteristic (yがz) about x. It's frequently cited as a simple and common pattern that illustrates a few of the basic grammatical differences between Japanese and English.
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>>100480909
ok. So how many would you recommend I learn before starting than?
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>still have trouble with particles
When will it end?
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>>100481103
so hipster
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>>100481674
>than
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>>100481674
Why with Heisig of course!
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>>100481744
When science advance more.
I have more trouble with atoms though
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>>100481744
Never. Speaking of particles, this orgy of gobi at the end is fucking with me relentlessly.

やっぱり親が同性愛に対してどう思うかだよね
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>>100481674
It's up to you. Just don't be one of those people who thinks it's fine to go cram out of context vocab lists in Anki like core without doing any kanji.

Most of these people are beginners, aren't going to make anywhere, and don't realize they're only getting through Anki because the pictures and sounds with each card acts as a cue that they won't have in actual Japanese material. And then they realize they have a 2% recognition rate.
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軻遇突智
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>>100479148
So long as it's just vocabulary you won't have much problems. The Japanese (presumably) can understand it as Japanese so it is Japanese.
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>>100481935
The only gobi there are よね, which is pretty common and is worth learning as a combination on its own. どう思うか is just the "uncertainty" か (like in どうすればいいかわからない) and だ is the copula.

It's a difficult sentence if you're new, but I'd hardly call it an "orgy of gobi".
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>>100479348
I've noticed that 80% of the channels I'm subscribed to on niconico are by people from the kansai area.

nico livestreams is a fun way to learn vocabulary and practicing listening comprehension.
You can also try writing messages to the streamers if you're feeling brave.

Some of my favorite channels:
com.nicovideo.jp/community/co1389139
Ayumi, rich 30-something woman with loads of different hobbies.
Likes to fish and camp. Owns various exotic pets (snake, stingrays, ostriches and more), various toys (RC vehicles, airsoft guns) and a boat.

com.nicovideo.jp/community/co68322
96neko, sings and plays video games.
Probably the single most popular streamer on nico (will probably be difficult to watch her stream if you don't have premium)

com.nicovideo.jp/community/co2008779
cyumi, another 30-someting woman, friends with Ayumi.
Cooking stream with the occasional fishing trip.

com.nicovideo.jp/community/co567087
Arata, sounds exactly like Gintoki.
Takes calls, plays video games, sings etc

com.nicovideo.jp/community/co1217922
Aimasaki, kinky, has a dedicated under-desk camera to show panties.
Cosplay, bondage instructions, takes callers and plays video games.
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i have just searched おまんこ and まんこ on google images
what do you guys think?
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Has anyone else gotten into the habit of doing nothing but studying Japanese?

>Wake up
>Do today's reviews in anki
>Do today's new cards in anki
>Read a few grammar chapters
>Start working on whatever game or manga that I'm currently trying to read
>Will occasionally glance at DJT for a minute or two, but not for very long.
>Realize I've been awake for 16 hours. Time to go to bed.

I've been doing this same exact thing every single day for months. Eventually you just stop feeling burned out and your body gives in. This must be what prisoners feel like once they get used to prison and start enjoying the routine of it.
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>>100483527
I wish I was a pleb like you
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>>100483622
And how are you different?
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>>100483527
A prisoner doesn't enjoy his routine. He gets used to it. Sometimes he may make up games or do SOMETHING that isn't routine-like, and that's pretty much the only part that can be considered enjoyable.
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>>100483743

>A prisoner doesn't enjoy his routine. He gets used to it.

Eventually humans learn to enjoy strict routine. You see it a lot in the military, especially nations with extremely well disciplined militaries.

It's like training a dog. Both the dog and the human first do everything they can to resist the strict daily routine that's being forced on them and to find some measure of freedom in their life, but after awhile their will just collapses and they start to live for the routine.

They now don't know how to live without the strict rules and routine. The idea of breaking away from the routine starts to become unthinkable to them and if you gave them freedom then they would feel lost and confused.
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>>100484157
This is somehow arousing.
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>>100484244
Career prospects: dictator.
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>>100484157
>letting your will be broken
>ever
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>>100479609
This one is read by Maaya Sakamoto
I haven't the Japanese original text online nor on my computer but a translated version can be read here (translated by Mazui): https://mfi.re/view/lcc7lwmlk2zn777/Coral%20of%20the%20Moon.pdf

Audio Reading
Part 1:
https://mega.co.nz/#!mUcViZyD!WLijkHIY6Kn2xEVR1WS8rG_eR-l01BfF_1POmN4iDPk
Part 2:
https://mega.co.nz/#!yU1VVC7L!C1QYEg9yg4YNc2W7-yzzSWnLpGUq8hX3UuEudqIG0B4

A video exists of this one too, visuals by ufotable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z_VmQdgo_w

I'm ripping a Phenomeno audio reading right now, I don't know if I can find the Japanese text for this one, It is a pity considering it has the most beautiful artwork by Abe Yoshitoshi on almost every single page of the book.
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>>100484461
Well, you could say /a/ is one of the most tamed boards, we do have plenty of routines.
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I've been reading some Yotsuba& but sometimes I feel like reading but don't want to read that. What would be something around that level that would be a good read?
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>>100485404
I haven't gotten to reading yet, but common sense tells me yotsubato is the best beginner manga.
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>>100485461
I was asking what is around the yotsuba level. Just for something else to read when I don't feel like reading yotsuba.
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>>100480744
When I was in highschool we had a lock-down and had SWAT called in because someone did a finger gun and someone else reported that they had a real gun.
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>>100485597
Polar bear cafe?
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>>100485731
>first word problems
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>>100485862
I just thought it was funny that multiple helicopters and a shitload of armored cops with automatic weapons came to my school because of a finger gun.
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>>100484461

This is why American soldiers fight so poorly, consistently have low morale, and are so quick to succumb to things like PTSD. They're willful and wild, but this also means that they're disrespectful, undisciplined, insubordinate, and emotionally weak.

If you don't break a man's will and then remold him as a soldier then he's not going to cope very well with the psychological trauma of war. Similarly, if you don't break a student's will then he will succumb to boredom, lack of motivation, procrastination, etc.

There are very few things in life that will is actually useful for. Pure dedication and discipline are the most useful skills in almost everything. If you're disciplined then you can accomplish anything because your emotions aren't holding you back anymore.
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>>100485404
You'll get more out of reading short stories or anything that has complete sentences and actually uses all that grammar you're learning, but otherwise, any manga that doesn't deal with deep talky shit is all on the same level.

I hated yotsuba, so I read hunter x hunter because cute boys being badass is way more interesting. Outside of manga, stalking artists and celebrities on Twitter is also fun and reading dictionary entries on niconico is useful and entertaining.
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驫麤とは超馬鹿
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>>100485956
「俺のチンポ」とは小さいチンポだ。
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>>100485956

How do Japanese people read these more cluttered kanji without zooming in?

I can't believe that anyone is capable of reading this at a normal zoom size. It's not even legible.
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>>100486168
Context is usually enough to tell what kanji it's supposed to be.
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>>100486168
That isn't a kanji that anyone really uses. Most common stuff is <25 strokes, if not <15. That one has 33.
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>>100486168
You have a really shitty font. Looks fine to me and I'm on a 10" netbook.
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I'm starting on japanese and I'm a little confused.
As I understand it 猫 means cat, is it wrong if I write it in hiragana? Or is there virtually no difference?
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So I've been trying to translate this vocaloid song (you guys helped me yesterday with the first few lines), and I'm currently working on 0:47-1:07:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42RmlQCzFao

Here's what I think the syllables are:
つぎ ゆく ちか いま なに も と せま い まま
とけい いいのかり いるとまわりつずける
And this is what I think the words might be:
次 行く 地下 今 何も と 狭い まま
時計いいの仮いると 周り続ける

What do you guys think? I don't really get how those words make a sentence - so I'm guessing I made some mistakes putting together what she's saying.
Also, last time, some anons were able to identify what is being said (in the previous verses) based on the title being called canned sunset, so maybe that'll help this time around.
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>>100486229
Most animal names are written with katakana but sometimes people use the kanji for them instead. There's not really much of a difference, it's a stylistic choice.
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>>100486168
Yu dnt hv to see te ful pctr to undrstd te mning.
You can still tell what it is even if most of it is blurred.
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>>100486168
I don't know how you got that mess, but I can see it fine.
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>>100486286
I see, thanks.
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>>100486229
'Childish' words are usually written in kana. Things like 猫 and 可愛い are usually written in kana by actual Japanese people. Using kanji can have slightly different connotations, sometimes it may be more pretentious or in the case of かわいい it may be to make it less weird due to the kanji meanings.
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>>100486168

The only recorded usage of 驫 is on a sign at an unmanned train station somewhere in Japan.
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>>100486220
Probably something to do with a font effect like shadow or something with windows as I have some of those enabled (they make most stuff look better) and I see the same thing.

It is called "cleartype". Turning that off helped a bit.
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>>100486363
驫麤かお前
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>>100486168

your font is just bad
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>>100486455
I don't know why you thought a second screen capture was needed to confirm that
>>100486306
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>Wake up at 10:00AM
>Do 100 new kanji + reviews.
>Do 50 new vocab + reviews
>Read four chapters of grammar.
>It's 2:40PM. My grammar isn't good enough to be able to understand any games, so I can't do that yet.

What am I supposed to do for the rest of the day? I want to keep studying, but I have nothing left to do until tomorrow.

I guess I could read more grammar, but isn't over four chapters a day pushing it? I'm worried I won't retain it.
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>>100486514
You could use your new vocab and grammar to practice writing. You can put it on lang-8 and have natives correct it too, that'll help reinforce your grammar and vocab better than just flash cards, at least in my experience.
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>>100486168
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>>100486514
Listening practice where?
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>>100486604
Yeah, you can find some easy audio books with the transcript in Japanese online. It's a pretty good way to practice.
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>酒は飲んでも飲まれるな!
I just looked up this grammar form but can't for the life of me find it again. Is it "want to do x but can't" ?
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>>100486455
>>100486306
which font you use?
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>>100486753
PD bitmap font from the looks of it.
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>>100486736
酒は飲んでも
even if you drink
飲まれるな
don't get swallowed up

It's telling you not to drink to excess.
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>>100486838
Ah, there's some wordplay in there. Thanks.
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>>100486912
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1423931494

I found a chiebukuro entry that has some more detailed explanations, but it doesn't have any particularly deep meaning.
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>>100484957
Final one:
https://mega.co.nz/#!GJUwTJoZ!SNZPLEJ88R3ib0nXQK_nOgK9oLwQWvxk8wxE_ivxGk8
I'll see about doing a Japanese transcript for this one and Tsuki no Sango, I think it would be good practice for listening, you guys can try and do transcripts and check yourselves against the Japanese transcript.

I really recommend buy these for the stories, the beautiful artwork and the lovely audio.
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>>100480684
They can't help it, It's in their genes to play along with jokes.
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How do you say negative progressive, past progressive, and past negative progressive? Like not saying, was saying, was not saying?
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>>100484957
>>100487049
Thanks for posting this.
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>>100487114
v+ている is the progressive
not saying=言っていない
was saying=言っていた
was not saying=言っていなかった
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>>100487161
No problem, hopefully they will be useful to you guys.
You can have them on in the background or simply listen to them and relax, the voices are really damn relaxing.
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>>100486955
It's still interesting as it's the only wordplay i've seen so far that isn't a pun.
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>>100487330
>Tsuki no Majo no Heya.jpg
Shouldn't it be shigatsu? Or is there something I'm missing about this title?
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>>100487457
Oops you are right, I was quickly saving the image after resizing it.
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>>100487167
Oh wow, I can't believe I forgot that -ている gets treated like a ru-verb. Thanks.
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Do verbs with -たい conjugation get treated like i-adjectives that are applied to a subject rather than an object? Otherwise I can't understand why 食べ物を食べる turns into 食べ物が食べたい.
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>>100481262
ok so why would learning the kanji and THEN learning how to read them be better than both at the same time?

not hostile i just want to make sure im doing the right thing
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>>100488189
That's probably the best linguistic explanation. I don't know the etymological reason for it. Sometimes you do see をvたい, though.
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>>100488189
http://www.imabi.net/l65wantfeeling.htm
All is explained.
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>>100489001
>時々、自分が女の子だったらなあ、と思うことがある。
>I sometimes wonder if I am a girl.

Who translated this? They're not good at Japanese.
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>>100489080
What is it supposed to be then?
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>>100489001
キムは火病の患者のようだ
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>>100489145
I sometimes wish I was a girl. There's an omitted いいのにな after だったら.
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>>100489182
That's wrong too.
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>>100489145
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to be a girl.
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>>100489226
It's not, but just for kicks, what would you translate it as, then?
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>>100489226
So what's correct? Not that guy, but something like "Man, If I were a girl..., is what I think sometimes". Though that's not very grammatically correct in English but whatever
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>>100489277
That's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure. I assume the person that translated it overlooked the こと
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>>100489281
I sometimes wonder (what things would be like) if I was a girl.
Can't give a perfect translation because the part in parentheses is just implied. It could be "I sometimes if things would have happened differently if I was a girl" or something like that too, depending on context. There is no いい implied
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>>100489283
Or maybe "There are times when I think "Man, if I were a girl...""
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>>100489277
http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=だったらな

And if you don't buy ALC's example translations for whatever reason:

http://vells.jp/footsteps/essay/e1.html
http://ssblog614.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-124.html

Just because it's literally only "if I were..." doesn't mean it only means that. This is no different from in business emails where you'll see things like ~していただければと思います to mean "I hope that ~".
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>>100489500
It's okay to be upset. We understand that you might not want to realize that you're worse at Japanese than you thought.
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>>100489654
I too enjoy making inflammatory remarks without any evidence backing up my statements. Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?
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>>100488821
pls respond
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>>100489704
You don't have to be so defensive man. Take it easy.
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>>100489500
It does imply some small desire, but "I wish" is a lazy translation that exaggerates the fuck out of it. Mainly because "I wish I was a girl" means you have a overarching, context independent desire to be a girl. Whereas 女の子だったらな could, as I suggested here >>100489405, only be suggesting that being a girl would be beneficial for a specific situation.
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>>100488821
Most people who suggest learning the kanji first are talking about doing a RTK or KD or some other system, which doesn't teach anything other than how to write the kanji and associate them with a keyword that is generally close to the meaning. It's useful if you want to actually write them. Otherwise, purely visual association while learning the vocab will suffice.
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>no one can translate the simplest sentence ever
Just give up already
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>>100488965

That site looks good. Why do I never see it in the recommendations?
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>>100489889
well i'm doing core 2k and i remember them by writing them a few times plus whenever they show up in a card.

is this bad or wat
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>>100489907
But we already translated it. There's just one guy who can't seem to get a grasp of it.
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>>100489500
>http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=だったらな

This is so hard to explain in simple words but there is a particular reason why you can translate it well as I wish but in this case, it doesn't have that meaning.
Its not a wish or hope of being a girl its a wonderment of the state of being a girl.

I cannot claim that you are absolutely wrong so I won't preach absolute confidence but I do strongly believe that it is what I've said rather that wish/hope of being a girl.
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How do you keep all of this grammar straight in your mind?

It's both deceptively simple and ridiculously complex at the same time. Kanji, vocab, none of that was even remotely challenging in comparison to trying to remember the intricacies of Japanese grammar.
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>>100489790
You're splitting hairs. "Sometimes, I wish I was a girl" shows a desire. "If I were a girl..." does not show this on its own, at all. Translate it as "if only I were a girl" or "Man, being a girl might be alright" or whatever the fuck you want, but just literally translating だったら with nothing else is incorrect.

Not to mention if you want to talk about "lazy translations", leaving in the ellipses when they sound goofy in the English is among the worst mistakes you can make.
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>>100489920
it never gets updated properly, the audio books in this thread probably won't be in it either, randomly material that pops up in these threads never get into it.
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>>100490004
>in this case
It's an isolated example sentence with no context. How much simpler can it get?

Take a step back, look at other uses of だったらな, and see the way it's used and the way people react to it. It indicates desire. If you think otherwise, find some examples where it doesn't. If you can't find any examples, you're probably looking at it wrong.
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>>100489182
Is correct
>>100489277
Is incorrect and is missing that the なあ is giving a sense of "if only..." here.

時々、自分が女の子だったらどうだろう、と思うことがある。= I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a girl.
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>>100490175
>at other uses of だったらな
And especially だったらなあ. It actually makes a difference.
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>>100490037
Fuck, you win because my response couldn't get past the spam filter
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>>100490271
But it's not expressing a desire to be a girl directly. It's expressing a desire for the side benefits of being a girl.
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>>100490357
Is it a link? Make a pastebin or something. I'm not in this to "win", I'm in this to learn and help others learn.
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>>100490422
>I'm not in this to "win", I'm in this to learn and help others learn
I dislike you..
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>>100490175
未来の可能性に満ち溢れてた若者が不幸な事故で死にましたとかだったらダサくねぇからそれだったらいいなー。

I don't think it indicates desire, I might take sometime to reassess why I think that compared to why you think it does.
Unlike the other anon, I'm in it for the learning, I don't believe you are absolutely wrong because I can't claim that I'm 100% right in what I say, I just have a feeling to go off.
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>>100490007

It's not hard, they're just autistic and want a perfect translation.
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>>100490133

Well I never got the fact that たい is for first person and たがる for third person from Tae Kim at least.
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>>100490627
There's no cut off だったら in your example, though. There's だったらダサくねぇ and だったらいいなー, but those aren't what we're talking about. Talking specifically about だったらな and especially だったらなあ with nothing after them.

Here's some more explicit examples:

http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/modules/de/gmod/courses/c01/lesson24/step2/card/083.html
>このように「もし~ならば」だけで非現実の願望を表現するのは,日本語で「~だったらなあ(タメイキ)」というのと同じことですからわかりやすいですね。日本語では「~だったら」に「なあ」が付きます
I don't know shit about German, but they explain it as an "unrealized desire", aka だったらなあ.

http://ameblo.jp/shinzato-english/entry-11479740381.html
>「~だったらなあ」 (仮定法過去完了、過去における願望)
self explanatory

http://blog.meigaku.ac.jp/yabu/2011/06/07/構文062「仮定法構文」その1「鳥だったらシ/
>今、あたしが鳥だったらなあ。
>I wish I were a bird.

>>100490774
I don't see this separation from the idea of "wanting the benefits" vs "wanting the thing". I do agree that だったらな could, in some situation, imply some specific desire, but without context it is frequently used to indicate desire in general. Clearly, as the above sources indicate, many Japanese sources agree that it is used to indicate desires contrary to reality. Look up Japanese explanations of the English "I wish ~" and you'll see many times they use だったらなあ without ever saying いい or what have you. Ultimately, it still seems to me like you're splitting hairs and trying to make a distinction that isn't there.
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>>100490418
Right, and
ああ、時々自分が金持ちだったらいいなあって思うことがある。
Just means: "Oh I sometimes think that it would be nice to, not actually be rich, but be able to reap the beneficial side effects of being rich without actually being rich."
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>>100490657
I think it is worth discussing, why not try to properly understand the difference between them.
Learning that something can mean I wish to be rather than I wonder what it is like to be is fairly important, I don't think its being "autistic".
It makes a lot of difference in meaning.

I want to see the difference between:
I wish to be girl using hoshii
and this - in terms of translating that subtly in English

>>100491035
That does actually make sense I was caught up in my experience of the word, which I assume makes sense outside of the だったらなあ
Thanks for your sources and explanations, I didn't mean to challenge you as a means of being rude.
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>>100491102
But there is no いい in the sentence we've been talking about for 45 minutes. Are you daft?
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>>100491035
>I don't see this separation from the idea of "wanting the benefits" vs "wanting the thing"
The focus is quite different. "I wish I was a girl" implies that, if someone gave you a potion that would turn you into a girl, you would drink it.
The japanese phrase that we are discussing which triggers the spam filter doesn't really imply that, although it could depending on context. You can call it splitting hairs, but depending on how it is used it could be quite different.
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>>100491441
I think he just wanted to antagonize.

>>100491333
>I want to see the difference between:
>I wish to be girl using hoshii
>and this - in terms of translating that subtly in English

So basically the difference between 女の子になりたい(なあ) v 女の子だったらなあ? That's tough. Nailing the difference between those is more a matter of English proficiency than Japanese proficiency.
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>>100491548
時々、自分が女の子だったらどうだろう、と思うことがある。
huh? It doesn't trip the filter.

>doesn't really imply that
I disagree, and I doubt posting more sources from random Japanese language blogs will convince you.
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アイ・ウィッシュ・アイ・ワー・ア・バード
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>>100491631
Whoops, copied it from the wrong guy.
時々、自分が女の子だったらなあ、と思うことがある。

Still doesn't trip the filter.
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So today we have learnt.
だったらなあ = unrealized desire.

Sometimes I wish I was a the little girl:
時々、自分が幼女だったらなあ、と思うことがある。
Now you can wish to be the little girl.
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>>100491683
I don't know exactly what trips the filter, I was just being safe since I had problems with multiple posts.
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>>100491725
幼女になりてええええええ
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>>100491441
いい being there or not doesn't change the meaning in the slightest.
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>>100491772
残念ながお前が幼女はなれないよ
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>>100491035
>http://ameblo.jp/shinzato-english/entry-11479740381.html
That link is pretty damn useful, thanks again
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>ちなみに、犬の射精は長く大型ともなれば30分~1時間は射精し続ける
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should i be doing core 2000 to learn kanji or rtk and THEN core 2000? getting mixed opinions
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What do you do in order to remember the proper readings of jukugo? I punch myself in the dick or slap myself on the face every time I get one wrong while reading.
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>>100492631
learn the readings of kanji
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>>100492770
I did though. I still get plenty of jukugo readings wrong because of exceptions or multiple on-readings.
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>>100486239
I'm sorry I'm not any sure of what she's saying any more than you are.
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(。-ω-)zzz. . . (。゚ω゚) ハッ!
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>>100492558
try both, do what works for you, stop trying to start a flamewar because you think the other method is shit
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What's the difference between が and だけど, when used in the context of 'but'?
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>>100494007
I think I have a book somewhere with a nice explanation of が、けど、だけど and でも
But I'm going to watch anime now.
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>>100494007
けど is spoken language, が is written language
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I always thought that である was like a で like だ and です, plus the ある like "there is" so である was like で ある like is and there is, like a cool "it is, there is" or something like that. It sounded good in my head.

Everything I think I knew is a LIE

Thanks imabi for ruining my life
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>>100495222
>I always thought that である was like a で like だ and です, plus the ある like "there is" so である was like で ある like is and there is
What?
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>>100495222
this was more confusing then reading through tae kim for the first time.
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>>100486239
Is it for your own personal use or are you planning to post the translation somewhere?
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ZOMG
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>>100495605
Post the 企 I won't stop fucking a girl under a umbrella until she moans
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>>100495222
Wait, you mean it's not? I realize it is in itself one single verb, but I naturally assumed it's etymology lied in the particle で and the verb ある. If you say that's not true I require some reference.
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>>100495605
That's not even the earth radical. No wonder people say KD is retarded.
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>>100495487
>>100495392
>>100495320
I thought that である was で (another form of だ and です) + ある (something that is there, that exists) So である was like adding an ある at the end to make a cooler There is or It is.

But I found out that である is by itself its own "being", and だ is but a contraction of it.
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>>100495752

It's not KD, though.
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>>100495779
Somebody took a liking to his style and decided to imitate it then?
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>>100495688
I-I don't know man, that's what Imabi said.. m-maybe he's wrong..

http://www.imabi.net/l7thebasescopula.htm
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>>100495822

It's the KD Boosterpack from here to be exact.

Also I don't know how the length of a single already tiny stroke matters when making mnemonics.
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>>100495958
I guess it only matters if you care about being right or not...
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>>100495771
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/148999/m0u/
>[連語]《断定の助動詞「なり」の連用形「に」に接続助詞「て」、補助動詞「あり」の付いた「にてあり」の音変化》
>[補説]「である」は鎌倉時代に発生し、室町時代に発達した語で、「じゃ」「だ」はこれから出たもの
So it looks like there was なり, then にてあり, then である, then だ
What I wonder is why なり changed to にてあり. They seem to have basically the same meaning.
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>>100495752
The radical of 隷 is 隶, not 士, so it's okay to write it as 土.
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>>100495958
Well, if you only intend to read Kanji all your life it probably won't make much of a practical difference since there are very few kanji that are identical, except for an interchange of 土 and 士. I just prefer to know the right radicals of the kanji I'm learning rather than some radical that is similar to it.
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>>100496231
>I just prefer to know the right radicals of the kanji I'm learning rather than some radical that is similar to it.

Then you wouldn't use Kanji Damage, and thus said boosterpack to begin with.
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>>100496209
So long as we're restricting our definition of "okay" to "you won't have problems looking it up on a radical-order dictionary", sure. But 士 is still 'a' radical of 隷 and saying otherwise is simply wrong.
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>>100496298
What an astute observation.

Yeah, I didn't.
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>>100496104
And apparently the な in なので and ならば are actually kokubunpo.jimdo.com/助動詞/だ/ are just the 連体形 and 仮定形 of the "だ" verb, respectively.
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>>100496429
So what's the problem?
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>>100496472
I don't see any problem. I just wanted to point out that the card was wrong. Do you have a problem with that?
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>>100496528
>Do you have a problem with that?

No.
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>>100496362
>But 士 is still 'a' radical of 隷
each kanji only has one radical
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>>100496642
Fine, I like to know my components right. Stop being so pedantic.
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>>100496642
>each kanji only has one radical
(´・ω・`)
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>>100496642

Are we using some idiotic definition of radical that no one else ever uses now?
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>>100496839
He's confused because classically dictionaries used only a 'main' radical.
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>>100496778
>Stop being so pedantic.
>complains about a barely discernible two pixel line in a kanji not being three pixels
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>>100495958
wow, being picky.
>you are wrong, it isn't KD
>its KD booster pack to be exact
dude
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>>100497103
They weren't made by the same person so complaining about KD while citing mistakes in the booster pack makes no sense
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>>100497103
He likes being ignorant, just ignore him.
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>>100496778
>>100496785
>>100496839
Stop learning kanji in the wrong way, radical is 部首 and there isn't a kanji with two or more radicals.
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>>100497264
Grandpa pls
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>>100497264
But you're wrong.
>It is sometimes possible to find a single character indexed under multiple radicals
>a relatively new development enabled by computing technology, the user can select all of a character's components from a table
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_(Chinese_character)
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>>100497103
>pointing out that the card is from a different deck made by a different person is picky
>pointing out a two-pixel difference that doesn't matter in practical use is not
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>>100496839
A radical (部首) is a component of a kanji that is used as a means to list characters in dictionaries. The idea is that the radical is the "main" part of the character that gives the character its meaning - like the tree part in most characters for different sorts of tree.
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>>100495537
I'll be posting a youtube video with a typesetted translation
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>>100497439
Why not do it for a song that's actually good
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>>100493947
im asking because i'm just starting and don't know what to do faggot, go overdose on your fucking heroin faggot
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>>100497740
自閉症
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>>100497740
You can't learn Japanese.
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>>100497740
You must be 18 to browse this site.
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To go back to last threads discussion of 'Which kanji would you fuck?'
I've developed a fondness for 霊
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>>100498021
>'Which kanji would you fuck?'

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>>100498021

I made i lewd mnemonic for 取 and now i get hard when thinking about it.
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>>100498106
Please share it with the class.
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what does this say?
Translates roughly to "it gives the pain" apparently but of course that aint english
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>>100498246
the pleasure of being cummed inside
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>>100497439
I couldn't get all of it but maybe others can help. Two things, 1) creators really hate it when you repost their stuff to youtube, and 2) this is from a CD and was never posted to Nico, so that's even worse. So I'd recommend you just post it privately for your friends or something.

Anyway if you're going to do it anyway you might as well get it as correct as possible. So here goes, other anons check please:

過ぎ行く時間は巻き戻せないまま
時計の針一回り?続ける
今日もどんな瞬間さえいつかは消える
定めどこか仕舞い込んでしまう

**chorus

無限 火に飛び 缶詰に閉じ込め
小さな ??? の中を覗いた
レンズ通して見える瞬間だけ
息?を残し今日も終わっていくんだね

乾いた雲ゆっくり消えていく
感じたノイズはそっとぼかして

**chorus
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>>100498324
It all makes sense now
those crazy moons
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>>100498246
求めよさらば与えられん
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>>100498421
what
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>>100498246
http://www.hello-school.net/haroajapa009010.htm
>>100498621
It's a quote from Jesus.
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>>100498708
>>100498421
http://kotowaza-allguide.com/mo/motomeyoataeraren.html
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吾輩は猫である。名前はまだ無い。
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>>100498989
南無阿弥陀仏、南無阿弥陀仏
ありがたい、ありがたい
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*フェドラを傾ける*
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>>100498708
so basically "Ask and you will receive"? Thanks, if there are religious connotations that's way deeper than I thought
What does this say then? Last one
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>>100499572
Ah, I found a translation for this actually, I think it means "Good...It was made already"
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>>100499572
イイゾ・・・・・・スデニ・・・・・・出来テイタナ・・・
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ブルータス、お前もか
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>>100499572
>>100499700
Yeah I was about to post a translation about like that. It's pretty simple. 出来る means make/made in many cases, like this one.
良いぞ既に出来ていた
By the way you're not thinking I told you that >>100498246
means "Ask and you will receive", right?
That was something I posted to highlight the kind of usage to maybe help you understand it yourself, but that's in no way what it means.
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>>100499869
Oh. I'm pretty useless with moon so
How would it translate in a meaningful way?
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>>100501130
I'm not really good at translating things, and I would do no better than the translation you gave. It's something like that, but it'd be difficult to be too literal.
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>>100501240
I'll probably go with "This is going to hurt" then, seems to be the gist of it
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>オフパコ
Anyone else google image words before you bother to look the meaning up? It's been saving me a lot of time and making them very memorable.
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>>100501711
A lot of time a page of images gives you a much clearer idea of the definition than a dictionary entry too.
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>>100501711
>google オフパコ
>get this
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>>100485916
Those American soliders fight so poorly except for shitting on everyone in WW2 including will broken Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Take your dictorship facism apologia elsewhere. Nobody wants to be your dog.
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面白き
こともなき世を
面白く
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分からない
時も、分かった
振りをする
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>>100478469
虎 they removed the feet. The only time you'll encounter that is in carpet or coat which will never happen because it's illegal, unless you're one of the rich people
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>>100503355

>American soldiers in WW2
>Anything other than janitors with guns

The Soviets broke the Nazis and the Americans didn't enter the war until Germany's fate was all but decided. The Americans were fighting against poorly supplied children in most cases (SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend), they never had to face the ferocity of the battle-hardened eastern front German soldiers. If they had then they would have been crushed. The western front was filled with what was basically the reserves and yet the Americans still had trouble fighting their way through this motley band of children.

As for Japan, by the time that the US finally entered the war, Japan was stretched thin and barely had any supplies. The only reason that they were even doing those banzai attacks in most cases is because they literally had no more bullets left.

So American soldiers are great at fighting against German children, Arab goat herders, and Japs that had more methamphetamine than bullets or food.
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>>100503355
America played an insignificant military role in WW2.
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>>100506073
>If they had then they would have been crushed
Germans still mad they got raped, I see.
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>>100503830
>面白き
何?
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>>100505631
What are you trying to say?
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何曲を聞いてるのか

オレは、http://youtu.be/SsLuW7hyrOM
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>>100506646
Pretending to understand,
Even when you don't
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>>100506554
Classical Japanese adjective.
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>>100506073
>the ferocity of the battle-hardened eastern front German soldiers

are you fapping furiously as you write this?
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友は身近に、敵はより身近に
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>>100506864
>敵はより
Is this right?
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>>100506776
He's probably on meth but he's still right.
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>>100506939
Yes. Study more and stop trying to learn Japanese from anime subtitles.
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>>100506711
ボリスは最高だぜ
しかし今、ゴアシットを聞いてる
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>火病
>Korean Anger Syndrome

What is this? I googled it and I just see a lot of pictures of Koreans biting Japanese flags.
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>>100506746
I don't think you know what you're saying.
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>>100506940
>he's still right
You're free to hold whatever wrong opinion you want
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>>100507014
>If anyone questions me then clearly they are trying to learn from anime
>I don't even need to explain myself because I can't be wrong
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>>100507048
It's korean anger syndrome, obviously.
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>>100507048

We call it a "chimpout" in the west.
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>>100507048
It means Koreans are a bunch of brainwashed monkeys who think the world revolves around their country and that Japan is to blame for everything that's evil and wrong.
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>>100506939
I was just asking since I've never seen はより used before, no need to be a sperglord.
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>>100507164
>I try to bait people into giving me a basic education with poorly written strawman greentext insults
Fuck off moron, nobody wants you here.
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>>100507048
イチゴの味かもしれないね
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>>100507110
Try putting the three verses in a single line.
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>>100506073
>>100506169
0/10

Soviets were losing until the winter started, so the nazis weren't "broke". The US not only saved Europe, but singlehandedly won the pacific war too. Japan couldn't have been "stretched thin" considering no one could face them, but it's cute how you make things up to protect your ego.
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>>100507209
>chimpout
>google
Hue. how appropriate.
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>>100507259
Because you totally didn't use a strawman on the other guy, right?
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/sp/artan here, anyone have any experience with Rosetta Stone? I read mixed reviews so I pirated it, and it seems they threw too heavy of material at me right off the bat. Shouldn't I be learning the alphabet and shit first? They started me with sentences.
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>>100507209
>we
I think you mean basement dwelling shitheads. Please try to contain your usage of cancer /pol/ vocabulary to /pol/.
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>>100507449
Read the guide you fucking mong.
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>>100507048
>What is this?
>ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/火病
>火病は【・・・】朝鮮民族特有の精神疾患[1]と指摘されている病気[2]。
>韓国の会社員の35.2%が、好ましくない上司と後輩を見た時に、火病になる[3]。
It's an actual, documented, culture-bound mental disorder that a lot of koreans have.
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>>100507376
No, I didn't.
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>>100507512
This part's even more interesting.
>アメリカ精神科協会では、火病を朝鮮民族特有の文化依存症候群の一つとして精神障害の診断と統計の手引きに登録している[4]。
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>>100507449
It doesn't work very well for languages syntactically different from English, like Japanese. As well, the entire premise of learning by immersion is flawed because you're not immersed, unless you block out all other languages and spend many hours every day using it. At best it's a way to expose yourself to some Japanese audio/text. Unfortunately unless you plan to travel to Japan frequently or hire a native to tutor you, you can't throw money at this to make it go faster.
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Post cool 諺s

口は災いの元
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>>100507332

>Soviets were losing until the winter started

"Snow magic" didn't save the Soviets, they aren't ice giants that feed off the energy of the cold. The Soviets were losing until FDR shipped massive amounts of supplies to Russia that allowed the Soviets to revive their crippled supply lines. They would have lost if it wasn't for that, there would have been no chance for them to push their production centers past the Urals and most of their army would have been stranded without any supply lines.

The US played a vital role in the Allied victory in WW2, but it wasn't the US soldiers that were important, it was US money.
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>>100507684
Posting the only one that comes to mind, which is very appropriate for people learning Japanese.

千里の道も一歩から
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>>100507501
The guide says nothing about it, faggot.
>>100507611
That's a good description of it. Pretty much spot on...it's nice to be able to see the text and hear it at the same time, plus you can switch what exactly it shows you (romanji style, kanji, etc). It's just odd that they have the alphabet off to the side and never both teaching you.
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>>100507719
>fucking their way to berlin
>bombing berlin
>single-handedly winning the pacific war
>US soldiers not important
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There's slightly less KD vs RTK and kanji vs vocab but other than that, these threads are the fucking same as half a year ago.
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>>100507456
キタ━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!
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>>100507912
Shh, he's obviously a neo-nazi who creams himself over WWII Germany.
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>>100507838
Well, Rosetta Stone isn't for people who actually want to learn a language. It's for giving as a gift or buying and using in romaji mode for a few hours realizing you don't really want to learn Japanese after all and forgetting about.

Teaching you the alphabet would take away from the time that you could be learning 20 new romaji words that make you feel like you're learning.
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>>100507456
No need to chimpout.
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>>100507983
I don't think he cares about Germany. He just doesn't like the fact that the US saved Europe.
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>>100507912
>>fucking their way to berlin
>>bombing berlin
This is what burgers believe? US were nothing compared to European armies. Also, Soviets put up about as much as US + rest of Europe combined.

>>single-handedly winning the pacific war
One big country beat one medium country in irrelevant war, oh my. Glorious burgers, so brave and skilled.
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>>100508028
>im cancer and im proud!
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>>100508135
Oh boy, your recollection of history is so skewed it's hilarious.
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Daily Japanese Thread
>Japanese
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>>100508226
You mean this isn't the daily shitposting thread?
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>>100508198
>He's disagreeing with my AMERICAN history books and Hollywood movies! He must be wrong!

>>100508226
Blame moot making it impossible to delete threads.
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>>100507912
There were twice as many reported Japanese civilian casualties than there were reported US soldier casualties.
Japan was stretched way to thin and around 80% of its soldiers died of starvation and sickness alone, and in the Philippines, for example, it was more than 90%
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11110130121
If America didn't win it would have been overwhelmingly embarrassing and pathetic. Even though they struggled to no comparable extent as most every other main country in the war, it still showed no mercy in bombing civilians to speed up an already decisive victory.
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>>100508182
Don't worry lil' lib, you too will grow up one day.
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>>100508281
Try again, yuropoor. No need to be so buttblasted that America saved your ass.
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>>100508279
The off topic shitposting continues to run rampant.

Is there a Japanese word for shitposting?
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>>100508198
Can you point out which one you think is false? Incoming comedy.
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>>100508481
糞レス
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>>100507912

>Marching to Berlin after fighting through the most inexperienced soldiers of the German military.
>Firebombing civilians.

Contrary to what American history books would tell you, it was not the nukes that made Japan surrender. They were perfectly willing to face a mainland invasion from the Americans. It was the idea of being forced to surrender to the merciless Russians that terrified the Japanese so much that they ran to the US for peace terms.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

>Several days of fighting Russians
>Japanese loses: 83,737 killed. 640,276 captured.
>Russian loses: Miniscule.

That is several times the deaths of Japanese at Iwo Jima and the Russians did this in only a few days. The Japanese were shitting themselves. Surrendering to the weaker enemy (the US) was the best idea.
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>>100508135
>ignoring the fact that the US army was easily the strongest considering they had nuclear weapons
>ignoring the fact that the US fucked their way to berlin
>ignoring the fact that the US bombed berlin
Oh how fragile your ego must be. It must make you seethe you accept how things were, so you invent convince yourself that you have any worth.
>One big country beat one medium country in irrelevant war, oh my.
Dat Japanese Empire sure was irrelevant right? It's honestly interesting to see the mental gymnastics people like you pull off when they're backed into a corner trying to deny reality.

You weren't very creative though you just resorted to outright lying.
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>>100508481
朝鮮人
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>>100508581
The fact that you think any of it is true is already hilarious.
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>>100508608
The surrender announcement came directly after the nukes.

That's because, surprisingly, they were fucking nuked. The Japanese already beat the Russians in war before; they weren't scared of them. Keep trying to deny reality.

>The Russo-Japanese War of the early 20th century resulted in a Japanese victory
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>>100508360
I'm conservative, and of a much higher mental age than you. Fuck off to /pol/ now.
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>>100508869
>I'm conservative
>much higher mental age
Pick one
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>>100508421
lel
>cowering in fear the whole time
>grabbing the spotlight when both sides are barely standing
>saving anybody's ass
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>>100508942
>cowering in fear
pfft, I guess switzerland is just constantly cowering in fear of the rest of the world
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I'm sorry if I seem like an idiot, I've been doing reps for a few months and have filled out a 200 page journal in kanji by now, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where to find light novels in japanese. I already checked out baka-tsuki but it's all english.

ごめんね
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>>100508622
>>ignoring the fact that the US army was easily the strongest considering they had nuclear weapons
Holy shit, this is golden.

>>ignoring the fact that the US fucked their way to berlin
>implying it was US and not EU with some help from US

>>ignoring the fact that the US bombed berlin
>implying it was US

>Dat Japanese Empire sure was irrelevant right?
Yeah, it was irrelevant to the fate of WWII. There was HUGE war going on in Europe and little war between Japan and US on the other side of globe over HUGE pile of water.

Open your mouth next time your country either loses or kills more than 1M people, not not mention 10M or 50M. Oh wait, US' wars never went over thousands. Burgers so stronk.
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>>100509145
>ごめんね
You a little girl or something?
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>>100509180
This is /a/, remember.
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>>100509180
I'm on /a/.
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>>100509145
raw-manga.net is a good place to look.
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英語禁止
政治禁止

こんにちは元気
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>>100508997
Are you implying they're capable of taking on even French or Italy not to mention Germany or UK? They stayed out of the war and it was smart but at least they don't pretend to have huge military influence like you retards do.
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>>100509180
いーや、オカマですぅ~
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>>100509145
>light novels
クズの中のクズ
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>>100508742

>Massive Soviet invasion force building up and preparing to attack Manchuria.
>Hiroshima nuked on August 6, 1945
>Japan doesn't give a shit.

>8 August 1945 - Russia officially declares war on Japan.

>Nagasaki nuked on August 9.

>"At one minute past midnight on 9 August 1945, the Soviets commenced their invasion simultaneously on three fronts to the east, west and north of Manchuria."
>The Japanese get completely slaughtered and aren't even able to make the slightest dent in the approaching red horde.
>The Russians continue their invasion and are rapidly smashing through any Japanese attempts at slowing them down.

>Japan surrenders on August 15.

Yep, even though they didn't seem to give a shit about the first one, it was definitely those nukes that did it. Not the overwhelming and unstoppable Red Army that was effortlessly slicing through everything that the Japs threw at them.
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I wonder if /pol/ threads sometimes get derailed into learning Japanese discussion.
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>>100509520
I've seen some get turned into anime discussions, it's similarly ugly
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>>100509520
日本人論
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>>100509520

This isn't a /pol/ thread. It's Japanese nationalism.
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>>100509332
No, I'm implying that you equated staying neutral is equivalent to "cowering in fear". You're literally retarded.
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>>100508742
>burgers
>history
Pick one.
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>>100509433
よく支持された主張
証明もいっぱい
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>>100509713
No, I implied that behaving like you're saviors of the world when you only did something when Germany was already fucked over long ago is laughable.
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>>100509179
The Eastern Front was losing for the Allies until the US decided to fuck their way to Berlin. Germany was bombing Britain.

The Pacific War was not irrelevant. It was as big or arguably bigger than the Europe War because China had fallen and fucking everything was a part of the Empire of Japan. Australia was next if the US hadn't intervened considering Britain attempted to fight Japan over Malaysia and got fucked. Japan then would've pincered (if the US was doctile) the Soviets and then that would've been the end of Yurop.

The rest of your post is just you throwing a tantrum and failing to produce anything that refutes any of these facts, so I'm just going to repost the post you're having so much trouble with dealing with:

>ignoring the fact that the US army was easily the strongest considering they had nuclear weapons
>ignoring the fact that the US fucked their way to berlin
>ignoring the fact that the US bombed berlin
>downplaying how majorly important the pacific war was to protect your ego on the verge on collapse
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>>100509810
Then you need to brush up on your English and say what you actually mean instead of trying to greentext your way through an argument.
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>>100509738
>The rapid defeat of Japan's Kwantung Army has been argued to be a significant factor in the Japanese surrender and the end of World War II, as Japan realized the Soviets were willing and able to take the cost of invasion of its Home Islands, after their rapid conquest of Manchuria and southern Sakhalin.[1][2][5][6][7][8][9][10]
America gives itself way to much credit for the war if you ask me. His logic is also sound. The atomic bombs were definitely noted, but if it weren't for the soviet invasion then I doubt they would have surrendered.
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こんなのどれもこれもどうでもいい
今大事なのはユダヤの絶滅だけなんだ
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>>100509867
Or you could just stop lying about America saving anyone. Germany was already doomed, it was only a matter who beats them - soviets or rest of the world. US was just a little push needed for Europe to be faster than Russians.
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>>100509433
You're talking about MANCHURIA. Manchuria was a puppet Japanese Empire Territory after that fucked China.

Japanese resources were not there. This was years after the Japanese had to deal with the US. Are you honestly that stupid?

In an ACTUAL WAR the Japanese beat Russia. Get over it. Japan. Beat. Russia.

They could've easily did it again if the US didn't win the pacific alone + nuke them into surrendering.

>The Russo-Japanese War of the early 20th century resulted in a Japanese victory
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>history is told differently depending on where you live
SHOCKER
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>>100509433
You're talking about MANCHURIA. Manchuria was a puppet Japanese Empire Territory after they defeated China.... in fucking China. Japanese resources were not there. This was years after the Japanese had to deal with the US. Are you honestly that stupid?

In an ACTUAL WAR the Japanese beat Russia. Get over it. Japan. Beat. Russia. They could've easily did it again if the US didn't win the pacific alone + nuke them into surrendering.

>The Russo-Japanese War of the early 20th century resulted in a Japanese victory
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>>100510008
>Japan. Beat. Russia.
Small part or Russia. Vast majority of Russia was in Europe. After they dealt with Hitler, Stalin could flood Japan.
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>>100509847
>ignoring the fact that the US army was easily the strongest considering they had nuclear weapons
That really is a shitty point though. It's not like they had many bombs, or rather at all, left.
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>>100510101
Except it's not. There's just one self-loathing euroshit mad over the fact that he would have an 7PM curfew and live in a camp if it weren't for the US.
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>>100510163
Hey, only 40% of burgers know where Iraq lies, don't expect them to be able to count beyond two.
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I've come to the conlcusion that English dubs suck not because of the voice actors, at least, not entirely, but because the English language sucks. It has no enthusiasm, no life in it. It sucks for aesthetics. Japanese is a more tonal language which makes it much more lively. The sounds they're able to produce are much more varied and pleasant compared to the boring English language.

Can I have my gold star now?
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>>100510244
>know where Iraq lies
>lies
Go to sleep euroshit. Your low IQ precedes you.
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>>100510177
US has never made it to half of European countries, retard. Learn history before talking about it.
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>>100510267
>The sounds they're able to produce are much more varied
Except japs can only make a small number of sounds because their tongues are retarded
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>>100510319
Irrelevant you retarded Yuropoor. Once America flattened Germany they had no homeland to wage a war from.
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>>100510319
What are you even trying to say? Is English not your first language?
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>>100510112
>The rapid defeat of Japan's Kwantung Army has been argued to be a significant factor in the Japanese surrender and the end of World War II, as Japan realized the Soviets were willing and able to take the cost of invasion of its Home Islands, after their rapid conquest of Manchuria and southern Sakhalin.[1][2][5][6][7][8][9][10]
The "Home islands" means 日本列島, dude. If it were just Manchuria, then sure, your argument might be sound.
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>>100510334
>being this stupid
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>>100510334
Well, then they're able to enunciate more or something because there are reasons as to why English dubs are so retarded and boring to watch and one of them being, excuse my moe fagshit, not being able to say shit like "uwa~" or "kya~" etc. I've heard them try and they sound like grumbling horses.
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>>100510301
I don't see the problem. It's certainly not lays.
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>>100510426
>being this stupid
Seriously, can you fuck off with your weeaboo nonsense? It's not 'amusing' to pretend to be retarded.
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>>100510533
I'm not certain, but I think it could be either or but lies is more appropriate.
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>>100510417
>not reading your own quote
All the Soviets did was fight a Japanese puppet state in China.

This was in 9–20 August 1945; several YEARS after dealing with the US who eventually nuked them into surrendering.

When it comes to actual realistic warfare the Japanese man-handled the Russians in the war between just them. History would've repeated itself easily.
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>>100510410
He's saying they weren't involved in at least half of the war I'm presuming.
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>>100510567
What weeaboo nonsense? I'm only pointing out your utter failure to be even remotely logical. Imbecile.
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>>100510567
Not sure if that was directed at me, but I'm not the one who called you stupid.
>>100510528
is me.
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>>100510112

>The Russo-Japanese War

How is this relevant? Pre-WW1, decades before WW2.

The Canadians kicked our asses in the War of 1812 and the Brits burned down the white house, but neither of them could do that today. The gap in advancements in technology and warfare between 1905 to 1945 is so massive that even trying to compare the two is just hilarious.

The Soviets wanted to steamroll straight into mainland Japan and rape the emperor and they easily would have been able to do this considering how powerful the Soviets were after defeating Germany, as they clearly demonstrated to Japan when they were ripping apart Japan's military at such a fast speed that it made Hitler's blitz into France look like a tiny army of turtles.
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>>100510267
>Japanese is a more tonal language which makes it much more lively.
I don't think you know what that word means. Chinese is an actual tonal language and is noted for the small amount of feeling and emotion you can express in it.
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>>100510587
You lay something down.
A dog lies down.
It's lies.
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>>100510528
>japanese people do japanese sounds better
Gee I wonder why. Ever heard most japs trying to say "rice" or "English"?
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>>100510689
>as they clearly demonstrated to Japan when they were ripping apart Japan's military
No. Japan's military was already defeated by the US at that point. The Soviet thing was in fucking August 1945 in a Japanese puppet state in China.

By that point all of Japan's resources by been depleted dealing with the US in the pacific including everything from most of their tanks and planes to even the Yamato-class battleship fleet. The only thing we have to go by between Russia and Japan was the Russian war against the Empire of Japan which the Japanese handily won.
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>>100510775
>A dog lies down.
>It's lies.
Please stop butchering English euroshit, and go to sleep.
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>>100510723
That was my mistake, I didn't mean to call Japanese a tonal language. Yes, Chinese is a tonal language but Japanese...well, I don't know what to call it, maybe you can find the words for me but it's a fuckload more vocal intensive than English which is basically monotone.

>>100510897
Rice and English doesn't relate to sound expression, which English barely has.
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あノン君は一生日本に住むならどの辺に住むかね
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>>100511090
>japanese
>not monotone
Holy fuck you're delusional
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>>100510410
It's sad that you think you know English yet can't read it.
US was only present in Western Europe, at the end of WWII. Or, to be precise, UK, France and the area. Meanwhile half of WWII happened in Eastern Europe. WWII was mostly nazis vs soviets, US was secondary force, like Japan or UK. Get off your high horse retard because your country isn't as great as you think (or, to be precise, wasn't back then). Read some books instead of reassuring your ego with equally ignorant friends.
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>>100511090
Sorry buddy, you got that reversed.
Japanese is noted for its flat tone, even when asking a question in Japanese only the last syllable rises.
English is significantly more varied than Japanese is.
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>>100511198
>English is significantly more varied than Japanese is.
Are you kidding? In what sense.
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I tried using anki but I just can't remember what I study later. It's much easier to remember things from kanjidamage for me since it has retarded mnemonics and covers both on and kuns.

any tips for me? should I just stick to kd or am I using anki wrong?
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>>100511175
>Meanwhile half of WWII happened in Europe.
The US won the other half by themselves, and won half of the first half.

That's 75% at least, and I'm not even him. It's undeniable that you would have an 7PM curfew and live in a camp right now if it weren't for the US.
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>>100511311
>I'm not even him
>proceeds to use the same shitty phrase, verbatim
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>>100511311
>other half
>thinking that battle over Pacific is equal to fighting nazis
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>>100511282
Letters sound different depending on what word they're in.
It makes perfect sense and isn't stupid at all, you weaboo.
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>>100511282
English uses tones, Japanese doesn't. In English falling tone sounds decisive. English speakers often use a rising tone to call out to people in a questioning manner.
You seem to be terribly misinformed, I'm not sure where you got this idea that Japanese isn't monotone.
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>>100511090
Just say it's "emotionally charged"
>>100511155
http://questionbox.jp.msn.com/qa2066056.html
Being expressive is one of the things is noted for actually, so probably not monotonal like you insist.
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>>100511427
>denial
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>>100511311
US only won against Japan and helped in finishing off nazis. That's all they did.
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In no way do I want to belittle the help that Americans procured Europe during WWII but are you seriously taught that you had a greater impact in Europe against eh Nazis than the Soviets?
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>>100511401
I used that phrase like 30 minutes ago, because it's my phrase. He's not me.
>failing to recognize basic writing patterns
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>>100510921

>Tsuyoshi Hasegawa's research has led him to conclude that the atomic bombings were not the principal reason for Japan's capitulation. He argues that Japan's leaders were impacted more by the swift and devastating Soviet victories on the mainland in the week following Joseph Stalin's August 8 declaration of war because the Japanese strategy to protect the home islands was designed to fend off a US invasion from the South, and left virtually no spare troops to counter a Soviet threat from the North. This, according to Hasegawa, amounted to a "strategic bankruptcy" for the Japanese and forced their message of surrender on August 15, 1945.

Also, why would Japan surrender just because they were nuked? The damage inflicted by the nukes was miniscule in comparison to the damage that the US had already inflicted upon countless Japanese cities with bombing campaigns. It was getting to the point that there was barely anything left to bomb and we were just bombing rubble.

If that didn't make them surrender then why would nukes make them surrender? Fear of the lingering death of radiation, nuclear winter, nuclear wastelands, etc, didn't become common until the Cold War, so initially the nukes weren't perceived by Japan as much more than really big bombs.
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>>100511523
>if I post a map of single country three times in one thread it will suddenly make it the most important part of World War II
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>>100511445
>English uses tones, Japanese doesn't.
>ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/日本語の方言のアクセント
You're just 反日 which is why you call anybody who doesn't immediately agree with what you have to say about the place a weaboo.
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>>100511465
I'm not so sure emotionally charged is completely accurate.

>>100511445
I don't think only those points are the major factors. Well, clearly I don't have as much to back myself up as you do, but even hearing Japanese people speak in person sounds far more upbeat than anyone I hear speaking English. Perhaps emotionally charged actually is the correct term.
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>>100511584
I'm European, and even I know this. It doesn't need to be taught.
>>100511631
>greentexting against hard evidence because you have no rebuttal
Surrender.
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>>100511698
Posting the same fucking picture a hundred times while greentexting epic phrases like ">being this denial" constitutes hard evidence now?
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>>100511634
>implying I was involved in this discussion earlier
>>100511672
Are you sure you're comparing apples to apples? If you're using anime as your source for what Japanese sounds like compared to how people speak in English then it will obviously not be equal. American cartoons have equally energetic and silly voices.
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Is there any difference between 死去 and 死亡, or are they interchangeable à la "someone" and "somebody" in English?
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>>100511698
Rebuttal to what? Map of single country and greentext? How is that relevant to WWII?
You don't make rebuttals for something irrelevant, you brush it off.
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>>100511822
>how is Japan relevant to WWII
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>>100511802
>>>/int/
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>>100511634
Pitch accent is like saying that the distinguishing of 'record' the verb being different from 'record' the noun makes the language tonal. It has nothing to do with that.
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>>100511802
They are pretty much the same. Look at the kanji for additional connotation.
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>>100511793
Well, no, actually, that's why I said "hearing Japanese people speak in person"
And to your point about anime and cartoons, I can assure you that American cartoons don't even have close to equally "energetic and silly" voices in your terms. Well, of course, that's subjective since we've both seen American cartoons.
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>>100511878
Read the whole discussion retard. Japan doesn't constitute half of WWII, despite what burgers believe. Japan is the one single country you defeated over six years of WWII, that's why you're paying so much importance to it.
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>>100511954
I never said it constituted half of WWII
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>>100511523

Lots of land =/= Powerful

Most of the countries within that "empire" are undeveloped shitholes that Japan had no problem conquering because they were so backwards that they put up no real resistance.
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>>100511822
>>100511790
To attempt to deny the brilliance of the US, knowing that you can't twist war facts too much, you decided to take the route of simply downplaying how important 50% of WW2 was by acting like Japan wasn't relevant to WW2.

Clearly only someone pulling metal gymnastics of the highest degree and on a verge of an ego breakdown would even downgrade to shameless lies as a debate tactic, so I posted the map to corner you which shows that the Japanese Empire controlled just as much territory as Germany was, and it was growing with no signs of stopping.
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>>100511913
I can't say that I've noticed Japanese people having particularly emotional voices outside of people who get paid for their voice(voice actors, radio people, etc).
But as you said, this is pretty much my subjective experience against yours. At least this is somewhat on-topic unlike the rest of the thread.
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>>100512064

>the Japanese Empire controlled just as much territory as Germany was

Germany controlled territory that was actually worth something.
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>>100512171
>Implying Germany was even a country in the 1940's
Wow, sweet history you have there.
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>>100512026
So don't defend the guy who did.

>>100512064
Yeah, don't get involved in discussions where your incompetence really shows, just keep making those ridiculous claims and stay hilarious, we like you idiots for that.
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>>100512064
By that logic, Russia was the strongest nation in WWII. Welp, looks like the victory against the Nazis wasn't an accomplishment at all, with such a powerful ally.
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>>100511893
It seems about the same as English with tones though. Do you have any citation for your statement?
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>>100511140
返事してくれ
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>>100512242
Hey, fuck off with that picture. We don't need lewd displays of Tohsaka. That's inappropriate and out of character.
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>>100512056
>>100512171
>Most of the countries within that "empire" are undeveloped shitholes that Japan had no problem conquering because they were so backwards that they put up no real resistance.
Most countries that Nazi Germany invaded were underdeveloped shitholes too.

Nice try. The backpedaling continues, however no amount of backpedaling is going to soften how hard you lost this argument.

Oh and on that subject was Britain an underdeveloped shithole too, right?

>The Battle of Singapore, also known as the Fall of Singapore, was fought in the South-East Asian theatre of the Second World War when the Empire of Japan invaded the Allied stronghold of Singapore. Singapore was the major British military base in South-East Asia and nicknamed the "Gibraltar of the East". The fighting in Singapore lasted from 8–15 February 1942.

>British casualties
85,000
>Japanese casualties
4,485

>muh backpeddaling
>muh downplaying
>muh diversion
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>>100512226
>I have no rebuttal to the facts
>better call him a name and say his claims are hilarious
Winners always win, and quitters always lose.
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>>100512231
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intonation_(linguistics)#Intonation_in_English

I'll be honest I'm not really sure what we're arguing about, I just replied to someone in the middle of a discussion.
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Can you shitheads fuck off already? Take this to /int/ or /pol/, stop shitting up this thread.
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>>100512532
Holy shit, it worked. Where were you earlier?
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>>100512640
In Japan, fighting 50% of WW2
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what is らめぇ
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>>100512640
>>100512532
Not so sure about that. I think >>100512489 just put a cap on things. Not saying he just shut them up or beat them or whatever, but it seemed like a closing statement.
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興も岩羽ります!
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I think it's safe to say that the Pacific Theatre was more like 75% of WW2.

Japan would have conquered the entire planet if America hadn't defeated them. They would have conquered Russia, Hitler wouldn't have stood a chance against them, France would have surrendered, and the English air superiority would have been useless against the far superior Japanese Zeros.
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Guys, why are you still arguing? It's clear that Canada did all the work in WW2.
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>>100512509
I meant for Japanese intonation.
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>>100512859
>75%
You spelled 99% wrong, gramps.
Mecha anime is based off of how the Japanese were during world war 2. GI Joe and Uncle Sam single handedly sealed away the Japs power for all eternity.
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>>100512937
>GI Joe and Uncle Sam single handedly sealed away the Japs power for all eternity
Anime adaption when?
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>>100512859

The blades of the Zero, also known as the wings, were created with the finest steel known to man and utilized ancient Japanese folding techniques to strengthen the steel to such a degree that a Zero was capable of slicing through an enemy aircraft and emerging unscathed.
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>>100512859
What the fuck is that accursed 洋字 doing on grorious nipponese 機
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>>100512989
Jesus Christ I laughed hard at that GIF.
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>>100512859
>10,000,000 military deaths
>25,000,000 civilian deaths
>Pacific War not 50% of WW2

I like how after you lost the argument against me after the failure of your repeat backpedaling you realized it was futile, and are now resorting to senseless "epic ironic xD" spamming. It honestly goes back to what I said earlier.

>It's interesting to see the mental gymnastics people like you pull off when they're backed into a corner
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>>100512759
あかん
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>>100512925
Canada don't bully us you know we want to feel important too.
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>>100512408
>out of character.
so delusional
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>>100513269
>Implying she's a slut
>Implying you're not retarded
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>>100512859
>>100512937
>hey guis I was joking
>time to make jokes
>jokes
>I didnt lose r-r-right?
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>>100512925
>implying it wasn't Brazil who did all the work in WW2
hueheuhue fuck italia hue
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>>100513381
Fuck off, faggot. Go back to /b/. I wasn't involved in your horrible shitposting fest.
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>>100513201
>>100513381
Jesus Christ, get that stick out of your ass and discuss wars where they belong, not in a damn language learning thread.
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>>100513431
>I play pretend now ^_^
>>>/mlp/
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Why did we attack Japan? The world would be a better place if Japan had taken control of China.

This wouldn't be happening right now if Japan had won.

>China was the first country to use bear bile and its gall bladder as an ingredient in Traditional Chinese Medicine
>To facilitate the bile milking process, the bears are commonly kept in extraction cages, also known as crush cages. While this allows for easier access to the abdomen, it also prevents the bears from being able to stand upright, or in some cases even greater restriction.
>Living for 10–12 years under such circumstances results in severe mental stress and muscle atrophy. The Chinese media reported an incident in which a mother bear, having escaped her cage, strangled her own cub and then killed herself by intentionally running into a wall. The World Society for the Protection of Animals sent researchers to 11 bile farms. They reported seeing bears moaning, banging their heads against their cages, and chewing their own paws (autophagia).

Rape of Nanking best day of my life
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>>100513567
Is that worse than how we treat farm animals in America? Why is it wrong to harvest bears for bile but not to harvest chickens for eggs and cows for milk?
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>>100513567
>Chinese
>Indians
>Middle Easterners
>Africans
>Being Humans
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>>100513567
Pearl Harbor. As long as there wasn't Pearl Harbor, and assuming the US didn't get involved in the war at a later date, I earnestly wonder what the world would have been like. If only we could all go back and repair the mistakes we made.
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>>100513704
so edgy I cut myself reading this post
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>>100513521
Do you honestly expect most of the people in this thread to have positive feelings toward you? We're making fun of you for being retarded and shitposting. This is a language thread, you're delusional if you think that the only people who think you're a fucking retard are the retards that argued with you.
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>>100513704
>pasty white weeaboos
>being human
I don't know how you managed to be a weeaboo and a racist, but that's one hell of an accomplishment. I feel bad for your parents.
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>>100513779
That's one subhuman down.
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>>100513567
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

don't forget, they literally eat shit. most chinese willingly live in conditions that are worse than most post apocalyptic settings.
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>>100513808
Nobody thinks I'm a retard. There's just you who lost an argument and tried to pass it off as "epik trolling". I present the same question to you.
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真珠湾を忘れるな、ジャップはみんな卑怯だぜ
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>>100513819
>muh subhuman internet defence force
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>>100513688

>Is that worse than how we treat farm animals in America?

>Slice open horse.
>Harvest horse bile for Traditional American Medicine
>Sew up the horse with some rusty needles and throw it back into a cage that's so small that it cripples the horse.
>Drag out the now sickly horse a few weeks later, slice it open again, get more bile, sew it back up, throw it back in.
>Repeat until the horse kills itself or dies from trauma.

We don't do anything like that, so yes, the Chinese are far worse.
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>Daily Derail Thread
Seriously, as soon as one derail's over, the next is already around the corner. What the fuck is happening recently?
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>>100513900
That's ironically considering the only subhuman here is you. Please continue to throw bitchfits about your recessive genes by lashing out at others like a retarded emo 7th grader with no friends.
>>>/b/
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>>100513567
>torturing animals to this extent
>to get bile
>for "traditional medicine"
>that doesn't even fucking work

this level of unnecessarily retarded cruelty is almost incomprehensible to me, i can't even begin to understand.
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>>100513743

>Pearl Harbor

Never would have happened if that warmonger FDR didn't force their hand.

The world would be a great place if we had a time machine and could push that cripple bastard down a flight of stairs before he ever was elected.
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>>100513916
Wait is that a thing.
>>100513929
If you want to fix the problem, then just start making posts in Japanese. If you're just watching the unfolding chaos, then you don't really have a right to complain, or at least not to a great degree.
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>>100513900
That's ironic considering the only subhuman here is you. Please continue to throw bitchfits about your recessive genes by lashing out at others like a retarded emo 7th grader with no friends.
>>>/b/
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>>100514030

Replace horse with bear and that's exactly what the Chinese do.
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>>100514055
Touche mi hercle
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>>100514030
>traditional american medicine
>"is this a thing?"

what the fuck do you think you fucking retard?
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>>100513875
It seems that you 'lost' your 'argument'. There's no other explanation for someone being this retarded and buttmad.
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>>100513976
You know you're a massive faggot when you bring someones personal life into it over 4chan.

I haven't made a single post contributing to the whole WW2 argument, or annything branching from it, but your comment was so fucking desperate and pathetic that I had to let you know how much of a fucking faggot you were. Wow.
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>>100513929

>What the fuck is happening recently?

What else is there to talk about? Off-topic discussions that are vaguely to Japan or Japanese nationalism are far more entertaining than a million threads of, "WHICH KANJIS DO I LEARN FIRST? IS ROSETTA STONE GOOD? WHY DONT THEY GET RID OF THESE STUPID KANJIS AND WRITE EVERYTHING IN ROMOOJI?"
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>>100514161
You're looking at yourself.
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>>100513976
>>100514055
さすがに糞シナはマジおこ
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jesus fucking christ who cares what they do to animals I used to work in a chicken slaughterhouse it was awful
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Not sure how I'd look this up, but what does verb plus に mean? I've never seen this explicitly explained but I've seen it here and there. By context I can usually sense what the meaning is but I don't really know how to characterize it or if I'm right.
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>>100514244
Do you still hear them screaming when you close your eyes at night?
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>>100514173
That person is telling the racist to fuck off. It has nothing to do with the WW2 discussion. I hope you're not as stupid as you currently come across.
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>>100514105
>i bet u hav a fetish
>FOR MEN LMAO
I fucking love pictures like these. They always send my sides into orbit. If you have more, post them.
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>>100514149
>what the fuck do you think you fucking retard
Yeah that was silly of me. I thought he might have been ironic, but I did guess the proper solution, and was looking for confirmation to my misgivings, but the answer should have been obvious.
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>>100514244
>who cares?
>...it was awful

what the fuck are you trying to say dumbass? obviously this treatment isn't any better than meat farms, doesn't mean either are fucking justified.
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>>100514178
After the tenth time, WW2 shitfests are just annoying. The two sides aren't even arguing anymore, it's just >insubstantial greentext vs. >insubstantial greentext vs. lol u re fegit :DD.

And it happens every fucking thread.
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>>100514195
You're clearly overly defensive and seeing 'enemies' where there are none. It's pretty funny, you're like an angry animal lashing at out shadows.
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>>100514231
Your Japanese is shit. Stop trying to be clever, recessive. It's not working.
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>>100514344
Projecting. Apply this to yourself.
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>>100514293
Yeah, no, I'm retarded. I also realized he wasn't mentioning his personal life after I actually fully read his post. I'm a dumbass.
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>>100514419
I keep telling you that I wasn't involved, I'm just here to laugh at you.
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>A baby boy was killed after a school girl found him alone in a lift and then allegedly thew him off a balcony.
CCTV footage in the lift shows as his mother was wheeling out his small green bike from the lift the doors abruptly shut.
>Seconds before the 10-year-old girl entered the lift and picked up Yuanyuan as the door started to close as his frantic mother sets the bike down.
>The grainy black and white footage shows the schoolgirl, who is wearing a backpack, holding the child for a few seconds before slamming him into the ground.
>As he struggles to get back up she repeatedly kicks him, hits him and stamps on him.
>When the lift doors open on the 25th floor she is seen grabbing Yuanyuan off the metal floor and pushing him out.

Chinese school girls aren't very cute.
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>>100514354
日本語で言ってください先生^^
できればな
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>>100514463
>y-y-you believe me right?
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>>100514471
How often are you going to post this?
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>>100514498
If this is the best you can do it's no wonder that you 'lost' your other 'argument'. Hahaha
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>>100514476
それって、もしかしてエッピクな戦の始まりかしら
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>>100514025
>http://www.theamericancause.org/patwhydidjapan.htm
>Japan will never not get a double standard because of their dissimilarity
I feel bad for them. They don't deserve this shit.
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>>100514354
だからそんなにファビョる必要ないって
君は非人で生まれたのは君のせいじゃない
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>>100514534
>if I keep projecting maybe it will work
>'Hahaha'
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>>100514566
あら、どうかしらね^^
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I think DJT should cool down for a while. Let's not remake another thread for a bit. It's just been devolving into pure shitposting recently.
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>>100514520

>The bodies of 21 babies, some with hospital identification tags around their tiny ankles, washed ashore on a river in eastern China and two mortuary workers were detained for allegedly dumping them.
>News footage Tuesday showed the babies — at least one of whom was stuffed in a yellow plastic bag marked "medical waste" — strewn along a dirt riverbank near a highway overpass. A few wore diapers. All were caked in mud.

Chinese women shitting in the street:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76e_1381600215
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=251_1369221946
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b9_1366777268
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>>100514635
>^^
殺すわ
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>>100514476
地獄に落ちろ.
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Seriously, though, where did the chink defense force come from?
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>>100514307
Sorry I can't find any remaining ones. It's probably for the best since image dumps are not really a thing a quality thread does.
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プラモデリ
What the fuck is this?
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>>100514751
>everyone is like me!
>I associate an anonymous board of different people with my singular opinion because I have no friends!
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>>100514683

That first video was arousing.
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>>100514801
Yes, here at DJT we like to pride ourselves on our strict adherence to on topic posting. Please make an outside thread for such matters.
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>>100514810
プラモデル?
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>>100514178
>>100514343
I thought it was entertaining and even if it provided a heated discussion, I thought it was still interesting and informative in a lot of ways so even it were not a good discussion, I enjoyed parts of it.
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>>100514751
What I don't understand is why people are such normalfags /int/ nationalists in these threads. This is way out of place on /a/.
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>>100514896
Why is it that when I typed it, rikai only picked up individual characters?
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>>100514823
You're not even attempting to use a different posting style than yesterday. It's hilarious.
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Whats the difference between 雌豚 and 牝豚?
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>>100514930
It was pure shitposting, it doesn't belong on /a/ and it certainly doesn't belong in DJT. Please refrain from encouraging this type of behavior in the future.
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>>100514971
Considering I wasn't here yesterday you look really stupid right now.
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>>100514941
You mistyped the last letter.
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>>100514930
It was equivalent to /b/ children throwing image macros at each other, and about as entertaining, too.
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>>100514330
People eat meat, animals dying is not irregular, slaughterhouses are merely made to be efficient, and is not the same as the useless and painful extraction of bile for a lifetime from an animal as advanced as a bear in a tiny compartment. Not saying we don't do horrible things to animals, but slaughterhouses really shouldn't be compared with it.
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>>100515023
プラモデル
プラモデリ
I see. Thank you.
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>>100515015
I'm sure you weren't, Ying.
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>Daily Japanese Thread DJT

>"NAZIS! HEIL HITLER!"
>"AMERICA FOUGHT 50% OF WW2!"
>"BILE BEARS!"
>"RUSSIA STRONG! RUSSIA STRONG!"
>"CHINESE WOMEN SHITTING IN THE STREET!"

What the fuck happened to these threads?
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どうしてモデレータが助けてくれない
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Has anyone here seriously tried to learn a dialect of Japanese besides standard Japanese/Tokyo Japanese.
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>>100515132
pseudo-intellectual shitposters on a rampage, no help in sight
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>>100515121
Ying? Have you devolved to calling random people Ying? You're a lost cause.
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>>100515132
Somebody posted a link to the /a/ thread in the /int/ 日本語 thread yesterday, that could have something to do with it. I really wish they wouldn't.
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>>100515132
Maybe all the shitstorm from buyfag threads got transferred to DJT.
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>>100514994
>>100515068
I thought one side was interesting, the other side I thought was silly and stupid and persistent. That side I disliked and I thought it was shitposting, but it allowed the other side to say things that I thought were interesting, and so even if a large part constituted shitposting, I found some good things in it, but I'm not going to encourage the behavior, and I was just saying that it wasn't entirely a meaningless shitpost fest; some of it constituted descent thoughts and discussion.
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>>100515181
Is there a place outside Japan where you could get intensive instruction in one of the non-standard dialects?
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>>100515198
>Somebody posted a link to the /a/ thread in the /int/ 日本語 thread yesterday
This explains everything actually.
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>>100515198
We should hide the threads on /lit/ or /gd/
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>>100515181
Why would you specifically learn a certain dialect? Would you learn Aussie English, too?

>>100515198
That would explain a lot. Fucking /int/.
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>>100515181
Nah, doesn't seem worth it, as long as I can understand what they're saying I'm fine. Besides, many times they try to avoid using their dialect with anyone not from there, since some words are incomprehensible to anyone that doesn't speak their dialect.
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>>100514823
>No friends
You're a faggot. Also. his point is that there's way too much off-topic posting, which is correct to say. It's NOT him saying "stop liking what I don't like" Get your fucknig shit straight, dumbass. Stop deriving messages from pictures you see and using them in the wrong context.
##REKT
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>>100515198
that doesn't explain where the chinks came from
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>>100515246
Is 関西弁 considered standard?

>>100515301
>Would you learn Aussie English,
If I wanted to artificially increase my sexual attractiveness, yes.
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>>100515223

>I thought one side was interesting

Which one? The Nazis or the Americans?
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>>100515301
Some of the elevens on Japanguide want to learn British English. Why not?
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>>100515389
>want to learn British English
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>>100514931
>normalfags /int/ nationalists
/int/ isn't very nationalistic and hasn't shown itself to be favorable to Japan, so I don't think it matches.
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>>100515389
Well, English is from England. So learning standard English is with a British accent.
I actually have no idea what kind of English most Japs learn. They always do seem to me American, occasionally some Aussie ones, due to its proximity.
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>>100514880
Yeah I was just going to find one anyways and then till him that but I couldn't even find one to help him a little, but image dumping is not something I'm going to be apart of here.
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>>100515081
It doesn't matter. They are animals. Don't you get it? They're not dogs or cats, they're fucking bears. A bear doesn't care what purpose you torture it for, whether it be for mysticism or for actual scientific cures. The moral burden you take is the same, i.e. none.
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>>100515495
They learn US English. Everyone outside of England learns US English.
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Get Shrekd, faggots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTqKaKYz1iU
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Meanwhile in /jp/'s Anki thread.
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>>100515568
I think people in Europe mostly learn British English, that would make more sense. But, I don't have first hand experience.
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>>100515374
I don't want to make anyone else mad or reintroduce the argument so pardon me in not saying. I'm a fan of evidence and analysis from that if that tells you anything.
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>>100515568
That is absolutely wrong. Most people in Europe learn British English.
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>>100515568
In Europe we learn RP English. I'm prettysure they learn British English in Africa and China as well.

South America and Japan are where people learn American English.
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>>100514987
There isn't really one.
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>>100515594

Who is moogy and why haven't they had any new posts in two days?
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Chiggity check yaself befo' ya shrek yaself
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>>100515716

ded thred
ded bord
ded otaku
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>>100515594
/jp/ is a still a shitload better than /a/.
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>>100515351
/a/ is filled with these prissy liberals who get mad when you say anything bad about any other country besides Japan, which they'll hop on board.
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>>100511607
Racing the Enemy is really a very recommended book. It's synthesizes the declassified archival information from Soviet, American and Japanese sources.
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Chikkity Shrek yaself fo' ya rekk yaself.
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?=飠?
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This is not anime or manga.
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>>100515842
No. I'm conservative. You're just a crappy /pol/ migrant, and I already told you being a weeaboo and a racist at the same time is enough to make everyone feel bad for your parents. Stop the bait.
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>>100515835
/jp/ is filled with just too much gay for me.
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>>100515810
>ded bord
>the only C85 resource
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Shreggity shrek yaself befo' ya shrek yaself
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>>100515873
Yeah
The left is 旧字体
>>100515946
Well then prissy conservatives. Either way I think you're a fagoot.
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>>100515987

Does the Comic Market smell like semen?
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>>100515946
>You're
I'm not even that guy. Funny how you think we're the minority here when no one in DJT has ever had a problem with chink bashing before yesterday.
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>start with realkana
>realise it's just muscle memory and that i don't really understand anything
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>>100515936
We should create a DJT manga. If anyone here can draw straight lines then let's hook up and I'll write the dialogue with my N3 fluency.
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Shriggity shrek yaself before ya shrek ya shrek
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>>100516059
They're sounds what is there to understand?
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>>100516050
I don't have a problem with making fun of the Chinese.
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>>100516070
I'd read it.
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Shriggity shrek yaself shrekfore ya shrek ya shrek
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>>100516212
Alright we get the message, sheesh.
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>>100516050
It's fine when it's not the focus of the thread. Very recently it's just been a dump of videos/stories about China.
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shrekitty shrek yashrek shrek yashrek shrek shrek
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>>100516263
Mainly because people want to keep denying it and so people keep conglomerating evidence to convince the side in denial.
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>>100516050
Maybe I shouldn't jump in your discussion but I don't understand why you're so adamant about defending off-topic posting. Particularly in a type of thread which is only tangentially board related.
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shrek shrek shrek shrek shrek shrek shrek
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>>100516315
It's my own fault, if I'm not going to actively try to increase the quality of DJT then I can't expect others to.
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>>100516059
>understand
There's nothing to Kana besides memorizing sounds and symbols though. And muscle memory is a pretty good way to make sure you won't forget them at first. I would always draw kana and kanji in the air at first because it helped me remember.
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The off topic posting disappeared when the thread stopped bumping at least, but I suppose we can expect more of the same when the new thread is created.

みんな、スルースキルを鍛えましょう
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>>100516558
Going forward we just need to actively promote on topic discussion as well as have more productive posts that people of all skill levels can benefit from.
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>>100516558
明日書く派vs書かない派の釣りを置いておこうか
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>>100516630
I used to post a daily idiom for a very short period of time back when these were still daily threads. That's something that a lot of people tend to gloss over in their studies that could easily increase the actual value of these threads.
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Something followed by「でおk」

What's the joke?
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>>100516856
日本語でおkis like "Say it in Japanese', it's used to imply that the text is unintelligible.
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>>100516558
新しいスレが立ったらなかよくしようぜ
そして、こんなくだらないやりとりをやめとこう
みんなが日本語を使用しようとしたら、すべてがうまくいくはずだ
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>>100516856
「top連れのkek」

冗談は何だ
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>>100516935
分かりました。
でも、俺の日本語がダメですよ。
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>>100516935
同意
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>This particle means this, but it also can mean this, this, this, this, also this, and sometimes this.
>This other particle means this, it means this when it's next to a verb, it means this based on context, and this sometimes, as well as this.

How am I supposed to remember this stuff? Japanese grammar is frustrating.
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>>100517188
Review a lot, read a lot. You're not alone in sucking at grammar.
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>>100517188
Imagine looking words like "that" and "to" in a dictionary with no understanding of english, they could mean so many things.
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>>100517188
Yeah it can be bewildering at first, but usually when you see them in practice, only one meaning actually makes sense for a given sentence, so it's not too bad.
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>>100517057
それでいいんだよ。
日本語だとあまり複雑な表現はできないから意味のない議論など到底成り立たない。
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>>100517188
You practice reading and go back to it every once in a while. Grammar guides make more sense if you go back to them after you've gotten a good amount of reading practice under your belt.
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>>100517343
でも、俺が議論を携わりませんよ。
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>>100517491
(僕は(そもそも))議論に参加しませんよ
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We should make a DJT Internet radio show where we teach Japanese people about anime in Japanese.
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俺の上にホモしかいないwww
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オマエは誕生から家族を辱めた
アジア語を勉強するの?スポーツを観るほうがいいんじゃないか
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>>100517587
ホモ何人乗っかってるの?
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>このビールはあまり美味しくありません。

I'm still a beginner, but normally when I see いる and ある they relate to location. Is this combination of adverb+ある a normal way to describe something? Before I saw this in Anki I would probably say it like このビールはあまり美味しいじゃない, is that the same?
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>>100517664
>美味しいじゃない

美味しくない
Fuck me.
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>>100517664
I think じゃない is just for negating nouns.
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>>100517664
美味しくない = 美味しくありません (敬語)
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>>100517546
論争*
>>100517553
I think it'd be neat if someone capitalized on any of these ideas just to see how it'd go.
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>>100517664
美味しくない is the casual to say it
美味しくありません is a formal way of saying it
美味しくないです is a different formal way of saying it that you will see more often
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>>100517553

We should make a DJT Internet radio show where we talk about how dirty Koreans and Chinese are.
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>>100517797
Got it, thanks.
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>>100517771
It'd just be 「エト、あの、すみません。マイジャぷニズイズバッド」
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>>100517797
美味しくない is the standard way of saying it, and is probably more formal than 美味しくありません, which is just polite. I'm being pedantic, but just saying.
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>>100518081
Why would the plain form be more formal? I must have missed that part of my grammar guide.
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