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How the fuck are there more than 209 HOURS of cartoon for this fucking show? You could watch it non stop for 8 straight days and not catch up. Does anything actually happen in episodes anymore or does it just play a droning sound over random action shots hoping no one notices?
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cuz popular
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>>100463671
1st
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Tons of filler, and they've slowed it down to the point that Fishman Island and Punk Hazard had as many episodes as chapters.
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>>100463803
Isn't it just a losing battle at this point though? They have to be be losing viewers at some fairly standard rate, and I can't imagine they're picking up new ones with that kind of backlog to get through, so how is it still going?
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>>100463671
At least tell us what anime is that
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>>100463998
Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal
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>>100463671
One Piece anime pretty much became unwatchable around the impel down arc onwards. Snail pacing that rivals the goku/freiza fight in dbz anime.

Just read the manga, since you can pretty much read 4-5 chapters within the runtime of a single episode which usually only covers 1, sometimes even just half a chapter.
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The recycled sound effects and music get old.
They get old REEEEAL quick. Same three songs every episode, you've got your action song, your fucking around song, and your OH NO SOMETHING BAD song.
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Frankly, I don't see how anyone can stomach most shounen manga at all. They never fucking end.

I used to like One Piece, but I just can't bring myself to care anymore. There's no significant development. Ace died and there was a timeskip, sure, but what's really changed? What makes the post-timeskip stuff significantly different from the pre-timeskip stuff?

It's hard to get a sense of progression from this series and it often feels like I'm reading the same basic story over and over again.
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>>100464937
>They never fucking end.

You're not really meant to get into them expecting an ending within a few years. Though that said, Bleach is way overdue on an ending, considering its story is pretty much going nowhere now.
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>>100464246
>but what's really changed
They got more powerful and their enemies are much more powerful.

Them entering the New World is kinda like NG+ in a game, errything will be largely the same as before, but everything is also stronger and the ending might be different.

Besides, anyone who watches shonen for plot or character interaction is retarded.
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>>100463865
you're thinking of this anime with the wrong demographic in mind. I'm not saying "kids or aduls" but unlike anime like, say, gurren lagann or Madoka, this is not meant to be collected and watched over and over again. This is just a saturday morning cartoon for the japanese, who have the TV on when eating breakfast or something. It's just something to pass time for them.
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>I don't like one piece, the author can't draw for shit
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>>100465480
One Piece is great for character interaction as long as one of those characters is USOPP
I just wish he and sogeking would team up!
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>>100465830
Have we had any post-timeskip Sogeking yet?
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>>100465480
>Besides, anyone who watches shonen for plot or character interaction is retarded

Couldn't be more wrong. That's pretty much entirely why people watch Full Metal Alchemist, and that's generally why Hunter x Hunter is held in such high regard. Amazingly enough, the Election Arc had no real fight scenes and yet it's generally thought of as one of the best; just characterization for Killua, Alluka, Leorio, and co. Good character interaction and plot is really the primary thing that separates shit tier shonen like Naruto from stuff that's actually good.
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>>100465937
I watched FMA for the fights and the grimdark.
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Nah, stuff actually happen in the anime. The problem is that every fucking ark is +60 episodes. They are all epic to some extent. Its basically just like naruto/football game, when its shit, its shit. But when its good. Its damn real good. And those are the times its all worth it.

The only thing thats bad with the show is that zoro is capable of wrecking everyones shit. Including Luffys. But they never make something out of this.
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>>100465937
To bad Hunter x Hunter never goes anywhere either.
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>>100466005
Good for you, but if its characterization and plotting were as shitty as Naruto's it'd receive the same level of hate. For much of its fanbase, that isn't enough.
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>>100464937
>but what's really changed
Fucking everything. Have you been paying attention? Do you understand why we had a timeskip?

>What makes the post-timeskip stuff significantly different from the pre-timeskip stuff?
Part 1 was an introduction to the main characters and establishing the world they live in, showing their hardships and adventures.

Part 2 is less about the Straw Hats and more about the politics in the One Piece world and how they're getting involved in it. And of course leading up to the ending and having the characters achieve their dreams.

In the most recent arc there are so many significant things being shown to us right now.

>It's hard to get a sense of progression from this series and it often feels like I'm reading the same basic story over and over again.
From the Whitebeard Saga forward it's been a clear progression to end of story. You must be a terrible reader to feel like nothing is happening and that Luffy and friends are sailing on an endless stretch of ocean.
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>>100466170
The main character's already accomplished his main goal, by meeting Ging. If Luffy had progressed as much as Gon with his, he would have found One Piece, by now.
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>>100466178
FMA is also a whole lot fucking shorter than Naruto is. Just the original 1st part of Naruto that most people don't have anything against is four times as long as FMA:B was.
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>>100465312

Bleach and Naruto are in their final arcs, they will end soon enough. We have no idea when One Piece will end however.
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>>100466327
People's main problem with Shippuden comes down to the plotting and characterization.
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>>100466429
Neji was right all along.
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>>100464937
>They never fucking end.

I know this might sound like a cop-out excuse, but most lengthy action/adventure shonen are usually intended to be more about the long tough journey towards MCs goal, as opposed to the end achievement of such goal. If all you're interested in is seeing the goal achieved, then its not for you.

That said, its also definitely common for a shonen to throw away its goal, in favour of mindless action, resulting in it becoming pointless to even continue with it. Generally the curse with weekly shonen, usually caused by the Author no longer being passionate about it.
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>>100466423
Just personal opinion here but... One Piece is the only one of those you mentioned that I am okay with the end not being close. How long I will feel that way... no clue.
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>>100466423
>Bleach in its final arc

People have said that for the last few arcs, I find it hard to really trust that anymore.
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>>100466537

Word of God stated this is the final arc.
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>>100466186
That mermaid arc was when I just got fed up with this series. It was just Alabasta all over again.

I get the technical details have changed, but this stuff just doesn't hold my interest. Why should I care about the One Piece anymore? What about the Will of D? Are they any closer to explaining that? Well even if they were, considering it's been years since the introduction of the concept, I can't say it holds any meaning for me anymore. Or those history tablets. There's never any RESOLUTION. Oda keeps introducing new plot points but never does anything to advance on any of them. It's hard to care about something that just meanders on for years on end and never really gives you any sort of payoff. Or, at the very least, it is for me. Maybe I'm just impatient, but I seriously can't stick with a series that's nearly half as old as I am, yet doesn't actually bear any fruit. I'm not saying that they should achieve their goals right away, but Oda should at least add SOMETHING to advance those dangling plot points. Like maybe some sort of real substantial clue as to what that "Will of D" thing is, or add some sort of lore to the concept of the so-called "One Piece".

Seriously, this is almost as bad as Detective Conan.
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>>100466596
FUCK

I think I agree with you..
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>>100466005
>FMA for the fights

But the fights are average at best in FMA, in all 3 versions of it. It baffles me that there are people who even consider it a fighting shonen, when the fights arent even that big of a part of it, save for the final arc.
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>>100466522
One piece's adventure is of a very grand scale, and has that "anything can happen" atmosphere to it. So that could explain why it doesnt bother you (doesn't bother me, either).
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>>100463671
I tried watching it the other day, but it is literally unwatchable. It has the same quality animation as a PowerPoint presentation. Fucking Toei just does not give a shit anymore
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>>100466811
>Fucking Toei just does not give a shit anymore

This would imply they ever did
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>>100465573
Some people actually believe that. One thing that you CAN say Oda doesn't do well is women.
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>>100464163

The fuck ?

That ain't Yugi.
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>>100466834
To be fair, water 7 and enies lobby were pretty well done. The rob lucci fight was great.
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>>100464163
>Spikes, we need more spikes.
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Here's the secret to a long-running story.

Any decent plot will be a mystery. The reader isn't supposed to know where it will lead. That's why they keep reading, to learn that.

However, if you stretch a mystery for too long without any sort of resolution, it's bound to get rather stale. Eventually, readers will stop caring, since any sort of payoff is simply not going to be worth the decade-long wait. And that's why you throw the reader a bone from time to time.

Think of the resolution of the story as a puzzle. The author should periodically throw a piece of the puzzle at the viewer, something to allow them to think about the story, to speculate, to give them a reason to look forward to the next puzzle piece that comes their way. The piece can't be too small to the point of irrelevancy, and it must also connect to an important plot point in the series. It must also connect to another set of pieces, with the intent of having them form completed whole. Thus, by gradually feeding the reader a steady supply of delicious puzzle treats, you keep them interested.

Oda fails to do this. What does is throw one or two unconnected puzzle pieces at the reader now and again and fails to add any substantial to them for a long period of time. Let's say that One Piece is a thousand-piece puzzle. The "One Piece" is a piece in the middle. "The Will of D" is a piece in the far upper left corner. The "World History" is on the far bottom right. These pieces are way too far apart to form any sort of coherent picture and are too small to be considered in any way substantial. And he's left them hanging for years and years.

By this point, even the most dedicated puzzle-lover would lose interest, give up and do something else.
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>>100466709
I'm easily entertained.
I actually read through all of the ASOIAF books just looking for magic fight sequences like in Drenai series books or WoT.
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>>100466852
To be fair, Oda's at least improved his women over time. Back in the early days, nearly every fucking girl was a nami sameface.
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>>100466852
He mostly has an obvious preference, can probably do whatever he likes, but do you want more old Alvidas and Catarina Devons? Or this fucking thing.
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>>100467466
>this fucking thing
>implying she wasnt fuckworthy
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>>100467565
Well, mostly her voice makes my head want to explode, and I suspect whatshisface's VA is going to be the same person.
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>>100467109
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyZOb3x1UnA

You're thinking too hard. One Piece was never a deep series. What One Piece is doesn't even matter. If that was the goal of the series, they could have let Reyleigh tell them.

It's the journey to find One Piece, and explore the seas that matters. It's shounen adventure battle. Just enjoy the cruise.
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>>100467590
Without the story, it's just a series of story arcs with similar plot structures. How many times am I supposed to read about Luffy helping a princess to reclaim her lost kingdom?
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>>100467590
All good things have to come to an end though, if it drags out for too long with no ending in site then it will eventually stagnate and worsen as a whole.
I don't even read/watch one piece, i just saw your comment and felt the urge to respond.
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>>100463671
Read the manga, it's faster.

I watch some anime episodes to get an idea of the space they're in (Like, map-wise), I find it hard to do so with the manga.
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>>100466596
Well, he kinda explained where a devil fruit goes when it's user dies.

Otherwise, I agree, he draws shit out too much.
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>>100466596
>That mermaid arc was when I just got fed up with this series. It was just Alabasta all over again.
How so?

>Why should I care about the One Piece anymore?
You're not supposed to, at the moment. The manga is mainly about the adventure toward the goal.

>There's never any RESOLUTION
The biggest questions in the series (Will of D, Lost History, Rio Poneglyph, Moons, how Devil Fruits work, what the One Piece is, Ancient Kingdom, that monster at the end of Thriller Bark) are ending material. Is that all you read One Piece for, the big metaplot mysteries? They're intentionally in the background to build up to the final arc.

What about what's happening in the current storyline? Doflamingo and the Revolutionaires? Kaido? Big Mom?

>but Oda should at least add SOMETHING to advance those dangling plot points.
Many things have been revealed.
We've learned that Devil Fruits respawn after a person dies.
We've been shown a Ancient Weapon, and it's purpose.
We know who created the Ancient Weapons.
Luffy can hear the voices of Sea Kings.
We're about to meet a new D.
Bonney is free again. Akainu is about to talk to the Gorosei.
And many other things.

>or add some sort of lore to the concept of the so-called "One Piece".
Pic related.

Again, are you paying attention? You are indeed blaming the manga on your own impatience and bad reading skills.
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>>100467671
>How many times am I supposed to read about Luffy helping a princess to reclaim her lost kingdom?

Thats only really happened twice. Most arcs were about the backstories of crewmembers, along with a conflict at hand that relates to them.
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>>100467671
>Vivi
>Shirahoshi
>Rebecca

Everyday until you like it.
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>>100468082
Technically Viola, Rebecca isn't too interested in the royalty thing, she just wants to live with Soldier, though maybe when he returns to being human that will change.
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>>100467974
>Many things have been revealed.
>We've learned that Devil Fruits respawn after a person dies.
>We've been shown a Ancient Weapon, and it's purpose.
>We know who created the Ancient Weapons.
>Luffy can hear the voices of Sea Kings.
>We're about to meet a new D.
>Bonney is free again. Akainu is about to talk to the Gorosei.
>And many other things.

Most of these things are merely answers to questions no one ever asked.

Look here: >>100467109

A good story should answer previous questions while not giving the entire story away yet. All Oda's doing is introducing new plot threads without making any headway in closing old ones.

Here's how a good story does things: You introduce a question. Over time, you answer that question little by little. Often, then answers you give open up more questions. Slowly, but steadily you fill the gaps little by little, until eventually, at the end, you've finally managed to form a coherent picture.

No one ever asked where a Devil Fruit goes after its user died. No one ever asked whether Luffy can hear the voices of Sea Kings. These were not mysteries that anyone was desperate to solve. They're new details entirely. Same with most of the other examples on your list.

By introducing new plot threads, you're supposed to fill the story with mystery and intrigue. Answering questions no one ever asked doesn't do any of that.
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>>100468250
>No one ever asked where a Devil Fruit goes after its user died.

Speak for yourself.
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>>100466588
>trusting Kubo's lies
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>>100463865
The anime is basically riding on the manga's popularity, and the manga is very good for what it is.

You can do pretty much anything you want when you're the TV show for the most popular comic in Japan.
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>>100468082
King Neptune didn't loose his kingdom.
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>>100463671
6 minutes of every episode are OP and recap
You can skip the first 6 minutes
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I see most of you.trying to.give answer to a series.of.questions that we dont even.know how.to.formulate
As it's been said before, the lost century, ancient.weapons, rio.poneglyph, will of D...form.an interconected series of answers to the same question. Those are the givaways Oda puts over the course of thw travel of Luffy & co. I feel like its all he can show for now in order.not to fuck up the series and pacing, and also not to complicate the already huge plot.
We will not know if the journey was worth it till the end, so either stay on the ship till it comps.or.jump off any time.you feel your time is being wasted and come to it once it ends.
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>>100468537
what the fuck is wrong with your grammar man
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>>100463671
>or does it just play a droning sound over random action shots hoping no one notices?
That. Also, it's shit. Blame the ignorant masses.
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>>100463671
>tfw watched all the episodes multiple time
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>>100468606
I did this once up to the Sabo arc, took almost 2 weeks of no life watching One Piece.
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>>100468606
I have rewatched it like 5 times already and never get tired of it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOg0LEG08K8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

>one piece in a nutshell
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>>100468250
>Most of these things are merely answers to questions no one ever asked.
lol, are you fucking kidding me. No one ever asked "I wonder what 'hearing the voice of all things'" means? Or the Gorosei's relationship with Bonney?

>Look here:
Except they're huge connections between The Will of D, World History, and what One Piece is, and when one thing gets revealed they start to build on to each other.

Everything you listed what a good long adventure story should do with it's mysteries is what One Piece does. Most will be completely closed at the end of the series, when they'll be at their highness relevancy, the war that will change the entire world.


I mean damn son, Whitebeard's speech couldn't make it any clearer. He mentions all three of those mysteries on one page. And of course there were things revealed before and afterward that keep adding to the backstory. The current arc is definitely going to add much to it, probably more than any arc before.

>No one ever asked where a Devil Fruit goes after its user died. No one ever asked whether Luffy can hear the voices of Sea Kings. These were not mysteries that anyone was desperate to solve. They're new details entirely.
These are not new details.
1. Devil Fruits and how they work are something people ask constantly. Knowing that they respawn and be artificially reproduced are adding to the lore. Shit, an entire arc is going to be related to this concept with Kaido's army.
2. Luffy hearing the Sea Kings relates to hearing The Voice of All Things, which is how Roger was able to read the Skypiean Poneglyph. This will obviously lead up to Luffy reading a Poneglyph as well and fully suceeding at what Roger wasn't able to accomplish.

So they're ADDING to previous plot ideas, and will keep expanding until it's time to fully reveal them.


But I seriously don't understand why you care so much about what's happening in the background. That's not the main appeal of the series. It's adventure.
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>>100464246
In theory they have a HUGE variety of music pieces. But they use some few way too often. If they would spread out all the pieces more it would be awesome.
One positive side effect: some rarer tracks can be connected to important parts of the story, like that thing they use to introduce Big Mom, that one they use when Whitebeard gets killed, the one they use for Ace's death etc.
Still, they have so many, especially with the movies, I can't see any other reason than being cheap for barely using them.
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>>100469569
And sometimes when they use a new track they ruin the effect it can have awful pacing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-no_BnHanaA
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>>100470510
*with awful pacing

captcha: cgermag jobbers
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>>100463998
one piece
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You guys are taking One Piece too seriously.
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>>100470510

Yeah, fucking Toei.
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>>100470928

Fuck off Touma, everyone in One Piece outpunches you.
Time for YOU to get your life corrected.
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>>100470510
Oh please,this one wasn't that bad,this was also used when Vergo appeared to sodomize Law. A good example is like using the "very very strongest" for every time the SH do a walk or "Let's Battle" for when Tashigi got rekt by Law.
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>>100468583
phone, mostly. Add sleepyness, hangover and no food for 12 hours
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One Piece would be more popular and not considered shit if it had an anime on par with the manga. It does get worse then DBZ screaming and powering up, I'm not joking. Who 20 to 30 secs of dramatic unmoving close ups for characters.
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>>100473156
>no food for 12 hours

What happened anon?
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>>100473332
I'd love for a reboot anime thats at a 3-4 chapter pacing per episode. And with decent and consistent animation.

Too bad it'll never happen ;_;
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>>100473560

We'll get a One Piece Kai soon enough. To dub it in English they'll use the same voice technology that they used on the 2-pac hologram to use the Japanese voices in English.
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>>100466927
It hasn't been yugi for like 10 years
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Okay, watching OP now. On episode 38. Really good and love the characters. That said, when should I stop? I can't see this having much steam behind it for long, damn sure can't be this good for the all of the next 600 episodes.
Please no spoilers.
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>>100463671
Here is some interesting info on AP(bite me) about the disorder in the anime.

~~ Originally Posted by Mickamott ~~
Why doesn't Toei just take a (short) break instead of creating filler? They would be able to save money for the canon arcs, and it would also give time for the manga to get ahead, (hopefully) making the pacing better in the end product. Sounds like a win-win to me.

For example, I'd much rather have an episode every other week if it meant that episode covered two chapters and had double budget. It sounds great.
~~Originally Posted by Demonkicksanji~~
It's been brought up before. From what I heard, Toei does NOT want to lose their timeslot, so if they took a break they'd lose it. I understand that one might think, "So what? Lots of shows, especially 13-26 episode series that have other seasons keep on getting aired." (The World God Only Knows comes to mind), but I think Toei really wants that early Sunday (iirc) timeslot no matter what. Plus, there's no guarantee that they'd be able to get their old timeslot back if they did do a break. They also don't want interest in the show to diminish (even by a little), so they just wanna keep it trucking.
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>>100473860
Keep going but seeing as you like it now, I would say to make your decision at Marineford or you could checkout fanmade revisions like One Pace
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>>100473860
It only gets better, anon
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>>100473860
Most fans generally feel the East Blue saga, while not terrible, doesnt come close to the greatness of the later saga.

That said, Arlong arc is still pretty epic.
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>>100467109
>Oda fails to do this
are you for real? this is actually one of One Pieces strongest points and its one of the main reasons millions of people are still reading One Piece
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>>100473474
>ate dinner 10 pm
>party went untill 4am
>8:30 woke up must study
>1h30min to get to the library, almost running
10pm~10am w/ no food +excercise and tired as fuck
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>>100467109
>Oda fails to do this. What does is throw one or two unconnected puzzle pieces at the reader now and again and fails to add any substantial to them for a long period of time.
You went Full retard.
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>>100463671
fuck you
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>>100466596
Fucking this. I just dropped the show entirely once I got to this point.
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>>100463671
fan made solution
http://theonepace.wordpress.com/downloads/#punk-hazard
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The pacing could probably be better.

One thing people don't seem to be realizing here in the thread is that One Piece is gonna be unbelievably long even from here. The goal only appears to be that Luffy will eventually find the One Piece, but the less explained aspects of the story imply that there will be more unusual Ponyglyphs than ever in the New World, including the one at Raftel that is going to blow the story wide open and create a big deal post-adventure.
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>>100473123
Doflamingo's just standing there as all these guys slowly react to his presence. It's pretty annoying.
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>>100473860
Stop watching the anime.

You could've read those 40 chapters in 2 hours instead of 13 hours.
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>>100477581
>show
>tripfaggot

>>100478424
I think the pacing is perfect right now. Fishman Island and Punk Hazard didn't have enough content to justify 50 chapters each. Dressrosa however has a lot of fun things happening that are going to take some time to resolve. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't end until early 2015.
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>>100480292
the anime is good if you appreciate the translation… if you take it seriously then you are fucking stupid and don't understand the underlying concept that separates it from the manga...
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>>100480292
>time is a factor
you know you are on 4chan right?
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>>100463671
Skip the filler, you'll be up to speed in a few hours
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>>100480773

Don't skip G-8. That shit was great.
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>>100465312
U wot m8? Bleach is finally going somewhere now.
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>>100466537
Its the final arc, but that doesn't mean its ending soon. The aizen arc was what, like 8 years?
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>>100473860
Just switch to the manga, or watch until you start to get pissed at how drawn out it is and then switch to the manga.
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watch it until thriller park
then watch one pace
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You shouldn't even be watching it after episode 325 or Thriller Bark
Then after that you just read it
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>>100481617
>You shouldn't even be watching it after episode 325 or Thriller Bark
you can't stop me
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>read the manga or watch the anime
>not doing both
how retarded do you have to be
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>>100481742
You're right, I can't
I'm just giving a suggestion
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>>100466170
Well, it's not like it is because it is a shounen. It is because Togashi can't move his lazy ass.
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If Toei has to keep their Sunday slot, why don't they animate some more cover arcs?

They could easily have Hachi flash back to when he met Caimie, or spend two or so episodes on CP9 or Caribou. Hell, even have a few episodes about alternate One Piece universes, like Mugiwara Theater did.
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As someone who has watched every single episode of One Piece
its so worth it
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>Naruto threads instantly try to be derailed
>One Piece threads don't
And WHY not exactly? One Piece is infinitely more popular than Naruto
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>>100482087
Because it's actually good
Just some flaws is the length of the story and no one dies
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>>100482087
it has to do with the type of fanbase naruto has
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>>100482087
Because OP doesn't the same cancerous western fanbase Naruto has.
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>>100482180
The OP fanbase is the best on /a/ but that's not saying much
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>>100482180
>western
It's funny to see you bitching about westerners on an American website
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>>100482203
Actually, I'm rewording this:
The OP fanbase is only good on /a/
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>not watching as much of "Happiness and Feel-good: The Anime" as possible
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>>100482243
It's not that funny.
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>>100482048

I wouldn't say so. It generally maintains a good pacing but the number of times its caught up to the manga and shoved in crappy fillers or sacrificed animation and art is plenty obvious and rampant.
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>>100482301
But it really is. Neither manga has a fanbase in the west anymore, you're basing your opinion on it entirely on what you experienced in the mid 00's...which is probably when you were in middle school.
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>>100463671
>How the fuck are there more than 209 HOURS of cartoon for this fucking show
It's been going on since I was 8 years old. My friend who showed it to me is now married and has a kid.
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>>100482443
Waters run deep, anon.
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I dropped this show when i turned 13 and realized every episode was just:
Character A: Gasp! He's about to throw a punch!
Character B: What? He's about to throw a punch!
Character C: You guys don't understand his tactic. He's merely THINKING about throwing a punch. He played you all for fools!
-End of episode1
>Episode2:
Character D: So, it has come to this. Your plan of thinking about throwing a punch has failed. What will you do now? I have you defeated, just like i defeated your friend all those years ago
>cue 4 episodes long flashback that's basically the same as episode 1 above
Character E: Gasp! So it WAS you! I will avenge my friend!
Character A: Gasp! He's about to throw a punch!
Character B: What? He's about to throw a punch!
Character C: You guys don't understand his tactic. He has already thrown his punch, but no one has realized it yet. Not even him, not even the writer of this show!
Character D: That's right, even i didn't see the punch, but i already dodged it!
Character E: Damn, he's fast! He's too strong! But I'll defeat him anyways, to protect my friends!
-End of episode 2
>Rinse and repeat until episode #whateverthefuckthey'reonnow
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>>100482443
>either manga has a fanbase in the west anymore
I see the naruto mangacows hanging around barnes and nobles all the time.
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>>100482585
This sounds a lot more like DBZ than One Piece
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Well at least next week and this weeks looks good,I think Dressrosa might be different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8TG8bMYGKs
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Is there anything better than the Enies Lobby arc?
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>>100482618
>Barnes and Nobles
>not going to BAM
I went looking for Black Lagoon, and there was none. I can't find any physical copies anywhere.
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>>100482672
When's it airing?

Hoping the new intro is better than Hands Up.
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>>100482585
this is pasta right?

even then i feel bad that at one point someone typed this out
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>>100482585
You couldn't be more wrong anon,I hope this is a copypasta,rather than you taking time to make shit up.
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>>100482743
>>100482776
not pasta, it took me like a minute. How slow do you guys type?
Besides, you know it to be true. Just look into your hearts and see the truth. This show is shit and it takes like 20 episodes for anything to happen
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>>100482737
It is airing at 7:30 EST live and will probably come out 2 hours afterwards on Funi and Crunchyroll,I like livestreaming so I will post the link in this thread if any want to tune into the raw
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>>100482585
That's Bleach, actually.

>I dropped this show when i turned 13
Oh, so last week?
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>>100482839
>How slow do you guys type?
Getting desperate huh?

And no it isn't true,not even current Pacing is that bad.
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I marathon'd the whole series a few months ago. Best time I've ever spent watching a show. I always think it couldn't get better, but it keep getting more and more intriguing and fucking amazing - even Thriller Bark, which was the lesser of the all arcs, but still pretty good.
Why did I catch up to the most recent episodes? I don't want to have to wait ;_;
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>>100482585
>Dat DBZ
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>>100482654
>>100482884
>>100483016
>>100483235
>that's DBZ
>that's Bleach
>that's not One piss
i have never seen such shit taste and delusion all in one place
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More info on Animation,pacing is kind of a lost cause until there is massive filler or seasonal brakes.

~~Originally Posted by senjuitama~~
Excuse my ignorance, but do episodes such as 616(Vergo vs. Smoker Finale) have higher budgets than other episodes or are they just budgeted better?

~~Originally Posted by Yuugi's Black Magician~~
For the most part, not really. The average episode of a Japanese animated series is about $100,000-300,000 in US dollars. Each episode is usually about three-to-four thousand drawings per episode. I can't think of any episodes of One Piece that have had a noticeably higher count of drawings. Something like the Wakabayashi Atsushi episodes of Naruto do tend to have higher budgets, though. Little Witch Academia had a budget of $400,000 for its twenty-six minute runtime and was allowed seventeen thousand drawings, so we can take this to infer that for the most part One Piece rarely climbs higher than $100,000-150,000 an episode. This is how money is usually spent on a single episode (current as of 2010). This is how money was spent on the Bamboo Blade TV series.
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>>100483695
Links for 2010 figure and Bamboo Blade

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make

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>>100483695
So...it's going to keep being QUALITY?
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>>100483909

More or less,it really depends on the director,hopefully we get less Deguchi.
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>>100482087
butthurt Narutard detected
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Toei has some very good talents and there is some episodes that are worth watching for them. But the entire show? No way.
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So we're all in agreement that more nakama will only cause the series to go slower, right?
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>>100482585
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>>100483388
stop embarrasing yourself already it is getting pitiful
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>>100482676
No because every character actually got some spotlight and for once luffy faced an enemy that seemed to strong for him. Plus dat going Merry I will never care for a cartoon ship like that again.
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>>100482676
no but that's no surprise because it pretty much is the perfect arc, but that does not stop other arcs from being entertaining. Sabaody till Marine Ford was an amazing ride as well
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>>100484100
The series NEEDS to go slower. Oda's rushing through arcs way too fast. The Law/Doffy fight got like 5 pages when it deserved two full chapters like the first Luffy/Croc one back in Alabasta.
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>>100485414
the smoker dof fight got 0 pages
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>>100485414
>>100485633
I think this is because Oda wants Doffy's fighting style to be vague as fuck
Or Oda is just a faggot
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>>100485414
I feel the pacing of Dresserosa is perfect given the hectic nature of everything that's happening so far in it/
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>>100485414
>PH/FI too slow
>Dressrosa too fast
Not really. With everything going on slowing it down would lower interest in the whole arc
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>>100483695
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>>100486128
Bottom 3 are from Movie 6, by the way
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>>100486169
Well I like that artstyle a lot then.
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>>100482585
Maybe try reading the manga which doesn't have shit pacing?
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>>100486128
I make my judgements based on how good they draw Robin.

What the fuck is wrong with the last three? Even the fourth from bottom looks weird.
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>>100486370
I think Thriller Bark (2007) had the best style
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>>100466423
One Piece should end in fourteen or fifteen years, unless Oda croaks.
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>>100486468

I should also add they the third from bottom looks like Dante from Devil May Cry 3.
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>>100486489
He said it was 50% complete 3 years ago.
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>>100463671
Your just mad because One Piece is better than your shitty animu like Evangelion.
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>>100486370
Usopp, Sanji, Robin and Brook look millions of times better than they used to

That said, the One Piece anime is absolutely unbearable the vast majority of the time.
The manga is fuckin sweet though
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>>100468606
Livin the dream. Seriously though doing this is what failed me out of college...
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>>100486603

First Robin is the shit though.
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>>100486548
Thought it was 75%.
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>>100486603
I always thought Brook looked the same
If anything he's slightly worse than before
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>>100486548
So that's like eleven years
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>>100486710
Most people think it's 60% now given how long it was since Oda said it was half way completed.
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>>100486468
>implying the last three aren't the best
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>>100486370
>Thriller Bark was seven years ago
What the fuck
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>>100486603
New Brook sucks.
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>>100486822
The last 3 have this odd Disney vibe to me
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>>100486880
I think it's the same people who did the first Digimon movie
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>>100486950
>>100486880
>>100486822

The last three are probably the worst.
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>>100464937
Even if they were short Shonen would be bad.

Actually I take that back. All of the top 4 shonen (except maybe Naruto) were pretty enjoyable in their initial stages because they had a charm and sense of humor to them and it was fun to root for the underdog (the mc).

The inevitable fate of shonen for some reason seems to always be

>flooding of irrelevant characters
>fucking power levels
>rehashing the same fucking jokes over and over again
>i fight for my friends
>my will makes me strong
>this villain had a feels backstory so now everyone loves them

but this always happens long before the series has started to get too long simply for being too long.
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>>100487360
Don't forget the MC's hidden bloodline abilities.
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>>100463671
This is exactly why long running shonen is shit by definition.
Density of content will never catch up to that of shorter shows
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>>100465937
>implying fma has good plot and characters

>i understand you greed, what you really wanted all along... why you were greedy.... is that you just wanted a friend

the whole idea of ed needing to accept equal exchange was pretty cool and all in all FMA does a pretty good job of avoiding typical shonen bullshit but it's still pretty weak from a plot and character standpoint.

You have to give Naruto some credit though. It's a really inconsistent series but unlike Bleach and Fairy Tail which are consistently terrible, Naruto has had some really good arcs. And it does a pretty incredible job of world building. If only the series ended like 100 fucking chapters ago.
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>>100487668
Nah, FMA had some pretty interesting characters. It's too bad Al and Ed were boring as shit.
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>>100487890
I thought Ed was pretty interesting.
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>>100487890
like?

Father was a pretty interesting idea (as in the original homunculi) but all the other characters were pretty gimmicky good/bad guys.

Eh, Greed was a pretty good character also but his ending was just retarded
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Guys, it's just a Japanese cartoon.

Either continue to watch and enjoy or just drop it.

Why does /a/ make it so hard to decide? You are adults with your own mind right?

I'm on episode 42 right now and I've loved it so far.
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>>100464210
It definitely makes it easier to digest when you watch the entire series at once

I started OP with the anime at the end of the summer last year, skipping the fillers, and I caught up to the current arc in about a month and I loved every bit of the anime. Of course there are a ton of scenes that are just reaction faces to fill time since the episode/manga ratio is 1:1, but I never minded.
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>>100467466
Eat shit, daisy was amazing.
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>>100488171
Hughes and their father.
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Long series like that are good for testing your marathoning endurance.
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>>100489107
Doing a marathon on an anime or manga is the worst thing you can do to yourself.
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>>100489154
What about stabbing yourself in the dick? That's probably worse.
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>>100466852
>Oda doesn't do well is women.
Are you a fairy tale fag or something?
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>>100489253
I think they're about the same. But honestly, I can't do it. Marathoning, that is. I used to do it, but when I did it, I completely forgot about the anime/manga in a year or two.

I should really get back into One Piece. I stopped at the sand place.
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>>100466852
>267 sword wounds
>152 bullets
>46 cannonballs
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>>100466423

Naruto got an extra 2 years. and Kubo is trying to milk every last bit of what evers left of bleach that he can. It would be more appropriate to say that its entering its final stages
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>>100488171
The Armstrong siblings for example.

Miles. Scar. Hohenheim. There's a lot of interesting characters in FMA.
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>>100463671
I did it. I started just when Thriller Bark aired. Took me, I dunno, 3 months or something to catch up. But that was 2007-8. If you want to jump the bandwagon now, you are bound to spend a lot of time on it. I prefer the manga, though.

My advice is to take it easy. Also, if you can't get into it after the Arlong arc, you might as well quit. And don't think you can skip parts. That's probably worse.
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>>100489945
>That's probably worse.
but I did and it was fine
watch the anime up the beginning of the alabasta arc, cable gets cut off , forget about the series for years
start watching the arc running at the time (cp9) like it , watch that till the end rewatch where i left off start reading the manga.
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>>100488171
I found Kimblee really interesting.
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>>100466852
Oda had a problem with same face back when he would try to make every female pretty instead of just having fun with the designs like he did with the male characters I think it was around amazon lily that he said fuck and just had fun with it.
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>>100489855
Fucking love the Armstrong siblings.
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>>100488171
Ling was pretty interesting as a character. Made things fun, then he made things even more fun with the whole Greed thing
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Started a few weeks ago and I'm on episode 46 and will stop at 50 today. It's really good. Adventurous and funny.
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>>100490451
Oh man, it took me a while to get into it (manga wise, never really seen the anime). If you like it already then the next few arcs will take over any priorities you had for the next few days seeing as you're watching.
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>>100490560
But I have a backlog I want to dig into as well come on now.
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>>100490634
There's a better graph than this bit I can't find it
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>>100490451
Holy shit if you liked the first few chapters you'll freak out over the course of the history
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>>100490839
Long Ring Long Land (davy back fight) was awesome
shitty graph
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>>100490839
>>100490864
I heard it was emotional from my friends who are big OP fans but didn't believe it
They weren't lying
Arlong Park arc with Nami's past made me cry
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>>100490839
Fishman Island higher than Davy Back?
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>>100490979

>crying over Nami's weak ass shit

If you shed tears for her, get ready to turn into a sobbing little bitch for Franky, Brook and especially Chopper.
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>>100490839
punk hazard nearing water 7 and whitebeard war
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>>100491152
I get easily touched by things like that don't start anon.
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>>100491207

You'll get savagely touched later.

I'd say Chopper is maximum overwhy for feels.
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>>100490979
I cried during each crew member introduction/backstory save Zoro.
>Zeff's leg
>Usopp's dad
>Nami's life in general
>Hililuk's death
>Brook's death
>Robin's mother
>Luffy's sad cuteness
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>>100491019
>>100491175
I said I had a better list, just couldn't find it.
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>>100491207
i don't and this series had my crying like a baby over a fucking boat. oh wait spoilers. umm hurry up and catch up.
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>>100491326
I'm gonna take my time I have other anime to watch as well besides One Piece so I won't get burnt out. It's very fun to watch regardless but you can overdo it.
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>>100491207
>>100491280
Certainly, Chopper's backstory is awful.
Franky's is pretty bad.
Brook has one particular moment of extreme sadness when everyone in his crew dies including him
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>>100491299

Did not bat an eye at revenge of the murderous stairs. Mild feels over the leg. 0 fucks given over Usopp's dad (he ain't dead or anytthing, just dicking around). Nami is kind of a big bitch, so I didn't feel bad for her either.

Chopper's whole situation made me sob like a little bitch. Franky got my eyes watering, but by the time Brook happened, my spirit was steeled from all the badfeels. They also put off him meeting Laboon for too long; if they did it earlier I might have cried but not now.
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Anybody play Pirate Warriors on PS3?
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>>100491280
Talk like an intelligeble human being, you memespouting moron.
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Punk Hazard (for me) is below Marineford, Both Sabaody's , Skypiea, W7/EL, Jaya, Impel Down, Arlong Park, but tied with Alabasta and Thriller Park
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>>100485414
Oda rushes so the animu can make more filler to fall back on. Same goes for all the random named characters to show up.
Toei fucking begs Oda's editors to make him do this.
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>>100491421
>Certainly, Chopper's backstory is awful.
the most touching moment ive seen in any media of someone committing suicide
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>>100491502

>intelligeble

Cruelty, thy name is irony.
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>>100491421
>Certainly, Chopper's backstory is awful.
Fuck you, bro
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>>100491584
I meant awful as in really sad
It's probably my favorite one even though Chopper is my least favorite strawhat
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>>100491560
Intelligible*
I'm off to bed, it's too late for me to pick fights with you morons.
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>>100491421
Quartet
Trio
Duo
Solo
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>>100490979
One piece is very bitch tears at times, I tear up at the smallest bit of fictional tragedy.
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I miss debates with Anti-Sabo faggots. It was like a cat playing with a chew toy. Us Sabo is alive guys just stated facts and based our theories on said facts while anti-Sabo fags were one trick ponies referring to the Databook which we refuted many times by saying those were a collection of assumed knowledge, not actual facts. Sigh, so sad they all had to hide when Oda bitch slapped them.
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>>100492050
>tobi=obito, such a good twist
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>>100482676
Skypiea
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>>100491207
>WHEN DOES A MAN DIE?
>WE ARE HERE!
>Luffy & Ussopp
>STOP! PUFFING TOM!
>...don't you remember me? it's me, Robin
>thank you everyone...
>Yo-ho-ho-ho~~ Yo-ho-ho-ho~
>"what the hell is wrong with me!?" + "I'M WEAK!" much later on
>"Thank you... for loving me..."
>...267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds, and 46 wounds from cannon balls...
>...i wonder, which one of us is the older brother?

& that's from the first half of the series. hope you got several boxes of tissue. maybe get a towel instead. you'll need it.
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>>100463671

"One day I'll become the king of the pirates!"

See that shit? I heard that shit when I was FUCKING 6 YEARS OLD.

It literally made me quit anime for a while just because of what it became, fuck it.
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>>100492199
Enel was too underpowered when facing Luffy, Luci was a much better villain. Enies Lobby was the greatest arc, everyone got to shine.
And Robin's and Franky's pasts with Spandam and Spandine were great.
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>>100491280
>You'll get savagely touched later.
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>>100492202
Now that you bring it up nothing since the timeskip has made me cry. Hmmm..
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>>100491932
>I tear up at the smallest bit of fictional tragedy.
same, I went to see the madoka movies when they came out
I cried in public...
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>>100492202
>no : BON-CHAN..... ARIGATO!!!!
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>>100492202
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>>100492573
1. No one cares about fish racism anymore
2. There really wasn't anything sad about Punk Hazard except maybe drugged children
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Are there any anime that have gone on for like ten season amd are actually good? Other than Hunter x Hunter.
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>>100492573
>>100492790
The Fishman Island part with the little slave kid got me teared up.
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>>100492790
Even in this arc, nothing really sad has happened.
I don't give a shit about the princess and her family.
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>>100492911
We still haven't seen Cora yet
There's still hope
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>>100492911
same. which is why i don't think Rebecca should join, her back story is just not that good.
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>>100492660
he had two chances! TWO!
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>>100493001
And the fact that she is Vivi 2.0.
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>>100492911
It didn't make me cry since it isn't super centralized but the thought that every fucking toy in Dressrosa is a wife or a husband or a father that just wants to be with his family is hyper depressing.
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>>100493173
Vivi was better because we've had her over multiple arcs
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>>100492963
Most likely I'll cry when it really gets into Doflamingo going full villain and more backstory is told.
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>>100493211
I feel really bad for Bellamy
Hopefully he'll join Bart
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>>100493322
Nah, he should get with Rebecca, become the leader that he's always tried to be.
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>>100492199
Fuck that arc was amazing.
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>>100492898
I'll be honest, Koala creeped me out
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>>100492660
Best character in OP hands down
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>>100492573
personally, FT refusing help, & Otohime crying at how powerless she is in achieving her dream while Neptune sat there, distressed not knowing what to do got to me.
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Do we know anything about Zou besides Law's crew being there?
Why are they separated from Law anyway?
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>>100493542
For sure, but it was still sad.
>>100493685
Probably Law didn't want them to get killed in the fight with Dofla
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>>100489855
Why are they interesting?
Cause they're funny?
Badass?
Have really cool fighting styles?

You could say the same about pretty much every shonen then.
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>>100493685
Gonna go out on a limb and say that Zou is Kaidou's island. Here's why:

e reason I believe this is because we know that Kinemon and his Samurai friends where heading to Zou, and whenever Kaido is mentioned they freak out. My theory on that is that the Samurai where on a simple voyage when all of the sudden one of the Samurai got caught and taken to Kaido's island, for whatever reason. If you remember in chapter 700 Kinemon said his party consisted of 4 in total including Momonosuke.

So, that means when Kanjuro is rescued there will still be one Samurai missing. Following the pattern that Kinemon has been on (rescuing Momo and now Kanjuro) is, it is safe to assume that he has to also rescue the last remaining Samurai. And I believe he is in Zou, aka Kaido's island. Also, Law never mentioned that his crew was okay, they could be captured as well or doing some reconnaissance or something like that on that island. Also, no one can really know what Law is thinking when he sent the Straw Hats to such a dangerous place, he is always devising something mysterious.

Lastly, even if Zou isn't Kaido's main island it could be one of his most important ones where one of his high ranking officers could be at. This could easily segway into the Kaido arc because this officer could find out about the Strawhats being there and even capture one or all of them for Kaidou. The most plausible I think is Chopper because of his rumble balls which could be useful for Kaido's zoan army.
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>>100482676
Water 7/Enies Lobby was one of the best arcs in the genre as a whole
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>>100491152
Hilruk's blossoms ;_;

Also, no love for robin? what the fuck
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>>100492050
but you cant deny the Officer Gladius Fiasco was a big drawback to the sabofags
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>>100494109
Robin's mother having to ignore her terrified me. When she was finally allowed to acknowledge her (even though she dies) I was so relieved.
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>>100494311
I DON'T WANT TO BE ALONE ANYMORE
while her mom chokes back her tears


THE SEAS ARE BIG, SOME DAY, YER GONNA FIND YOUR NAKAMA, I PROMISE

tfw Saul's promise came true
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Is this forshadowing of his death?
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>>100494431
Saul is maybe my favorite supporting character.
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>>100494482
Well everyone dies someday, so I'd have to say no.
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>>100494482
that just looks like a dumb translation
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>>100494611
Find me a better one.
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>>100494637
but im le tired.
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>>100463671

200 hours is nothing. I've watched a good 1000+ hours of anime and 3000~ or more of Yank TV, non of that is soap opera, daily shows, or endless children's programming.

So how can a mere 200 hours be a problem for you to get through when there are hundreds of series across multiple mediums longer and as worth it? Yet alone the limitless written works.
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>>100492911

This. Dressrosa is good but it's nowhere the level of Arabasta or Water 7/Enies Lobby.
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>>100494637
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>>100492573
I teared up when Otohime died, in the anime at least, the impact was not as strong in the manga since no voices and music
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>>100494948
The only thing I see this foreshadowing is his eventual jobbing streak
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>>100494668
ok take a nap
AND THEN FIND ME BETTER ONE
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Between Jimbei and Momonosuke, I'd say Momo's chances of becoming the 10th member are improving.

Jimbei's promise just screams death flag to me.
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>>100493322
I don't even feel bad for him because his tears and sobbing is one of the most satisfying things I've seen in a while. I'm starting to like him and all, but man I actually can't wait for the anime to cover it so I can listen to him CRY. The precious tears are delicious.
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>>100495836
>Jinbe
>dying
You idiots are the worst.
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>>100496875
>anybody
>dying

it's like these retards haven't been watching OP all along
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>>100493759
Olivier and Armstrong are interesting because they took like the traditional strong man and emotional girl and flipped their personalities so the man is emotional and the woman is cold and strong. Olivier shows real dedication and loyalty, and camaraderie even when she can't fully trust the Elrics. She accepts to know that she can't know everything from them and sets out with them to learn the rest herself, and she still has a drive for power inside her. She sees her brother as weak, and Armstrong deals with this by seeing her sister as pragmatically nefarious, and at a crucial moment Alex is able to show her his true stuffs.

Miles is interesting because like with Scar, despite his hatred of the military for the Ishvalan genocide, he still works with them, in his attempt to right the wrongs that have transpired. Scar even acknowledges him and admits that isn't the path he sees laid before him, though by the end of the manga, Scar is a changed man. Scar's entire arc is focused on change and revenge. He initially takes the opportunity to kill those he deems responsible, and in doing so nearly becomes a monster, knowingly, too. Ultimately, his drive becomes to protect people, not just his own, and he does so by aiding the Elrics and defeating Wrath. In the end, he acknowledges that he's changed, and the man he used to be is gone and so is that monster he nearly became, so he's just nobody now.

cont.
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>>100493759
>>100498410

Hohenheim spent a great deal of centuries blaming himself for a lot of massacres and atoned the only way he thought he could, by committing his time and their souls towards saving the world, if only for his family's sake, unknowingly driving them into the very danger Hohenheim was committed against. He martyrs himself constantly, trying to put himself in a position to save and scapegoat, because he doesn't have anything to lose, since he can't die. Even in positions where death WAS possible, he throws himself in front of the things he really wants to protect, his family. He offers advice to Rose and May in moments where he has a chance to impart the wisdom gained through millennia of life, experienced in part by him and in part secondhand from the various souls inside him. When the time comes for him to die, he chooses to fade out in front of his wife's grave, finally being able to come back to her as promised.

There's a lot of really interesting characters in FMA whose plights are, while not completely relate-able, certainly sympathetic. Nobody except maybe Winry is completely good, and even Winry has a moment of hesitation where she considers murdering Scar.

Not to mention Kimblee, who is so entertainingly in love with being evil it's almost admirable. And Mustang, whose arc and loyalty to his allies was inspiring. Admittedly, the anime did have to fix the one part at the end of his arc for that, but considering the final chapter of FMA was 120 pages, omitting or forgetting something is understandable.
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>>100497018
Cannon fodder die all the time in the manga, the anime just makes it more kid friendly which is kind of annoying.
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>>100499635
Sucks how they never showed how Luffy got his scar in the anime
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>>100499918
I think they tried to make it look like the mountain bandits did it to him, I could be mistaken though
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>>100499918
Fucking Luffy man...
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Live Stream Raw in 15 minutes

http://www.justin.tv/cc0721xy
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so far the pacing is great
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KttpUvA4eoA

new opening
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>>100464937
right now the crew is basically taking on the emperors aka the guys who actually control the sea

in fact more is going on now than it did in an earlier time.
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>>100494508
If Robin's flashback was a film, he'd get the SA oscar
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>>100489353
Mashima actually can differentiate female faces. I just wish he know how to write a plot.
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>>100492050
Sabo's existence was Chekhov's gun.
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>>100493570
For me it was Neptune demanding he be locked up when Otohime was killed. Somehow really got the sense they were a good couple and that Neptune was shattered by it.
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>>100507220
Hey

Yknow how the Balam Alliance was between three dark guilds

What was their alliance's goal

Why did after seven years no other dark guild try to step up and replace the two fallen ones in the Alliance

In fact where was the power vaccuum at all

And what was Tartaros doing for the seven years until now

Jacking off?
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>>100508058
It stated what each guilds goal was. I forgot if it said Tartarus or not so far. There was no alliance goal. Their alliance was made so none of them attacked each other because they were the 3 most powerful of the dark guilds.
And I don't think its that easy to "step up and replace" the 2 guilds. Actually Grimore Heart is still active but their whereabouts are unknown. And do you think Tartarus would let in more guilds into the former alliance? Tartarus probably wanted to get rid of the other two,since we've seen Tartarus is full of demons and hate humans.
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>>100508558
It only stated their goals when they were properly introduced to the story. Oracion Seis wants to play Reversi, Grimoire Heart wants to find the magic higgs boson, and also fuck Fairy Tail, and Tartaros wants to use a WMD to fart on humanity and kill wizards. Before that they may as well not existed, since their pasts are irrelevant. An alliance's point is the joining of two or more parties under a loose goal. Alliances don't form just to say "okay no fighting guiz", that's a treaty. We're talking about a network of gangs, effectively. If one of the kingpins falls, a lesser gang beneath them will try and step up to take the throne. It's basic fucking writing. Hating humans or not, they were involved. Replacing one of the seats means that while Tartaros jacks off.

Plus, each of these guilds have less than ten members. It really shits on the scale when you have one part of the three strongest evil guilds to be able to, with a single member, kill the Ten Wizard Saints. It'd be like if Doc Q was able to kill the 3 Admirals. Fucking ridiculous.
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>>100496875
Jinbe has death written all over him. As does Shanks and possibly Law. Out of anyone of interest theyre the most likely to die in my eyes.



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