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Anyone else read this book?

Interesting topic, but I'm not entirely won over by the analysis of sentou bishoujo.


I cant bring myself to read this one in public
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>>100449315
Where's I can read this?
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>>100449611
a university library should have it
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>>100449315
What does it say about Rei Ayanami?
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>>100449952
the author is a Japanese psychiatrist, and he psychoanalyzes the reason for the popularity of warrior heroines among male otaku

he's pretty Freudian about it all

Rei is appealing because she is vacuous as a fighting-girl: she has no personal reason to fight, which thus negates the masculine nature of the violence she engages in.
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>>100450485
He does have a point somewhat, but didn't Rei have a reason to fight?

She doesn't take personal enjoyment in it however
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>>100450485
>vacuous
Anything more?
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>>100450804

Here's something from a review. Rei being a 'phallic girl'

Saito also contrasts phallic mothers with phallic girls in terms of their lack of clear motivation as warriors. He contends that phallic mothers are typically driven to battle by a desire to avenge a trauma of real or symbolic rape, while phallic girls lack such an originary trauma or clear battle motivation, and simply fight because it is their nature to do so-battle for phallic girls is a pleasurable, ecstatic experience. Saito sees the phallic girl as a shaman-like medium for mysterious violent forces that remain outside herself, rather than as an independently motivated subject.
Thus she could be described not as a woman with a penis (the phallic mother) but as a girl who merges or "identifies" with a penis in a form of hysteria.
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>>100450994
dat penis envy
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>>100450994
Man, I find this freudian-angled stuff so silly. Everything is penis.

No matter a woman does, girl or child, it's penis penis. Oh she wants to have a penis, oh everything she does violently means she's penis, etc...

Well I'm not going to criticize.

Does he compare Nausicaa and Rei Ayanami?
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>>100450994
I love dicks as much as the next guy, but that's just silly.
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>>100451105
No, The only real comparison comes with Sailor Moon, and why she is able to appeal to so many demographics

>>100451247
I concur.
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>>100451322
Tell me. I dig Rei so I'm part of what he's trying to analyze!
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>>100451105
Harlock Nausicaa > Nausicaa of the valley of penis
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>>100451416
He only applies it with the japanese social context. He uses the US as a point of comparison, because the heroines are the opposite type (Xena, Wonderwoman, &C).

For japanese obsessive otaku (his research interest in psych. are hikikomori), it seems like he wants to give them some sort of tendency towards fetishism, btu never comes out and says it. The fetish being some sort of domination-potential: the girls have it in them to be agressive, but never are.

The reason for why that's hot to otaku, well that when Freudian theory comes in. Lots of mommy issues.
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>>100451505
kek
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>>100451768
Hm, depends on the western heroine, there's plenty of calm ones, and using super-heroes is perhaps not the best of choices.

>the girls have it in them to be agressive, but never are.
Almost never, and I'll have to admit that is one of the things I like about Rei, only with the addition that Rei does get aggressive when it gets necessary or she's gotten her ideals violated or something.

Shinji slap is one of the moments where she's being unfair IMO.

Tell me more
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>>100450485
Does he say anything about why Asuka is appealing? She's got a really damn personal reason to fight.
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>>100452101
He also doesn't deny the sex appeal. So if redheads be your thing, that's a reason too.

Asuka would be the 'phallic mother' type, and appeals to another type of Freudian persona. Hence the sharp divide between fans.

I liked Misato best, and liking older women is another Freudian red-flag
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>>100452427
Everything is a freudian red flag.

EVERYTHING.
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>>100451768
MORE

MORE

More about Rei
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>>100453094
What's the context?
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>>100453120
Champion.

I have 1 more in that gif set that the other anon doesn't have.

I suddenly want to rewatch Ippo, again.
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>>100450485
Rei does have a reason to fight... though that's completely incorrect
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>>100453305
It's more that Rei places no personal desire in the fight itself, I believe.

What category is Nausicaa in?
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>>100453208
Thank you for the 4th

>>100453305
What is it? She's just a clone.

is she going to protect that smile?
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>>100453436
She flat says she has a bond with the Eva, not to mention Gendo and the eventually Shinji considering she sacrifices her life for him. Twice.
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>>100453436
>What is it? She's just a clone.
Not him, but why do you have to discriminate against clones man?

fuck modern perception of sci-fi and how it devalues people because they're clones

IIRC Rei's gives her reason in episode six, where she says she pilots because it's what keeps her into this world, it is her bond with all people.

This probably sounds vague, but it must be said that Rei's existence is fairly vague as well.
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>>100453664
hell she's not even a clone by definition, she's genetically engineered, there are clones of herself, but that's not the same thing
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>>100453781
Yeah that's what I like to believe too.
But, lately the EVA-franchise has been selling Rei as a clone of Yui specifically.

It'd be amazing if we could delve into some more sci-fi stuff regarding Rei, move away from the clone thing and go for artificial human or transgenic instead, but they're far too fond of their mommy-metaphors for Shinji to do anything else.
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>>100453895
I don't really see how it detracts from the mommy thing considering Lilith is literally the mother of everyone who has ever or will live
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>>100454006
It has to be stronger, it needs to be Shinji's mommy.

They even changed Yui's surname to Ayanami, when Yui's maiden surname used to be Ikari before.
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>>100454064
In what? Some spin off manga?
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>>100454142
Rebuild of Evangelion.
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>>100454159
Haven't seen 3 yet, but I don't recall anything like that in the first 2
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>>100454212
It's in 3, and if you like Rei just drop it.
It's the one where they brutally murder Rei's character metaphorically.
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>>100454239
I figured I might wait until 4 releases and if it gets another bad fan reaction I'll just leave head cannon at 2
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>>100453895
>selling Rei as a clone of Yui specifically

I always liked Rei's character in the tv series because she empowered Shinji, as opposed to Asuka.
She does the same in the movies, I think, but not perhaps for Shinji's best interests (from our perspective as viewers). It makes a nice tension.
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>>100453664
By clone I merely meant to reference her lack of a usual process to form a full personality and all the baggage that comes in tow with character formation
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>>100454301
Wish I had done that.

>>100454322
I see that one too. They blend so nicely together.

>>100454550
Yeah but that ain't got shit to do with being a clone.
Even if Rei was a fully normal girl, but raised to believe she was artificial, and a clone, the result might have been the same.

Can't account for clone-specific modifications, but we aren't told there are any.

With Rei it's indoctrination and hopelessness that creates her, so she longs for nothingness.
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>>100454809
So her lack of personality, or her unalterable mindset, is her character. She's not fighting for xyz, but she fights because it is irreversibly who she is.

Which would be what the author in the book apparently says: no motivation to fight.

Right?
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>>100454985
No damnit. You know her mindset isn't unalterable, since she changes it over the course of the series.
You can say she has a lousy personality, but not a lack of one, it's as if you took a stoic and turned it up to ten.
No fun and games, no personal enjoyment, the bare minimum of what you need to live, to the point where you hurt yourself.

>She's not fighting for xyz, but she fights because it is irreversibly who she is.
see >>100453664
To go with the themes, she fights to protect. She only ever raises her hand to strike when something she cherishes is insulted - such as Shinji calling Gendo a bad father and getting a slap in the face. She wows to protect Shinji, and so on.

In a way, on the long term for herself, Rei fights to die. This is revealed near the end, where she desires nothingness, and that Gendo won't let her die. (of course, that was what she wanted, but since she changed over the series, she is now afraid of dying or changing into her FINAL FORM actually, since she'll lose the people she's met and they will, in a sense lose her. Rei considers both perspectives)

The author of the book, he's right in a way - her fight with the Angels isn't personal, like it is for Misato.
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>>100454322
>She does the same in the movies, I think, but not perhaps for Shinji's best interests (from our perspective as viewers).
What do you mean?
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>>100455641
Well it looks like she is manipulating him, if we are to believe nerv is all evil and stuff.
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>>100455911
Ah. Well Rei isn't manipulated in Rebuild, she is manipulated instead.

She did try to manipulate Shinji and Gendo however. She was using her charms (unknowingly) to bring father and son together. So had that worked, Gendo would maybe accept Shinji and Shinji would feel loved again.



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