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Previous thread: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100380033/
I keep reading the OP and I still don't know Japanese.
What's a good font for kanji at high font sizes? Togoshi Mincho shits itself in a lot of kanji.
What's the best deck for vocab?
Guide in the OP doesn't list a specific one, and I'm looking for opinions.
If there was an objectively best one, you would've heard of it about it by now.
I've been using JLPT decks with additional words from reading, many people seem to use Core decks here.
Try out a few and see which ones you like.
But Meiryo is so boring and vanilla.
I tried setting the language of my android to Chinese and it is surprisingly simple to get the things!
There is a lot of shit that is like Japanese, the only difference is that the 言 radical is written as a distorted 丁 and they use random strokes in place of kana.
Ugh. Just finished typing out something for oldthread and found it 404'd. It wasn't specific to Japanese, but language-learning in general. Sorry for the non-relevance, I'd just rather hope someone here might find it even a little bit useful than let it be lost to the tides of 4chan.
German and French aern't even particularly hard to get into.
Beginning with pronunciation, (that'll be difficult for French, granted but I'd bet there are tons of resources on youtube I just don't know of any good examples). Barron's has nice little grammar reference books for a few languages. I picked up a guide to French grammar at B&N for like, $8.
Vocabulary books shouldn't be much more expensive, but if they are, you could probably do better online. I usually use wiktionary when I forget something or need a word in Italian, though it isn't the best at relaying connotative differences between two different ways of saying something. If you have a question about something like that though, someone else has probably had the same question and has already posted on forum.wordreference.com, where native speakers have probably answered it with lots helpful input and examples.
Spoilered for off-topic drifting: My hardest Eurolingo will probably be Polish or Welsh, because I've never learnt a Slavic or Celtic language and there isn't exactly a bounty of resources on either language near me. I can pronounce Welsh/Polish words if I have a couple seconds to run through it in my head and hope that the rules of thumb for stress hold true, but that'll be it for a while.
Try reading it in Japanese, idiot.
friendly reminder jplt 1 is like end of junior high level skill
If you can pass n1 in a few years you should probably jump off a building
Biggest difference is that compounds often don't translate, for example 手紙 is jibberish in Chinese, as far as I know.
Individual kanji often have fairly similar meanings.
I updated to the latest version of ankidroid on my android phone and now it crashes everytime I'm viewing new cards of my KD deck. Sometimes it seems to crash randomly and then it loads the deck indifinetly.Anyone got the same problem?
Wow nobody cares about your shitty fucking blogpost
Oh my god he is learning European languages, he's so cultured! That's so difficult!
Now that you're talking about the JLPT, how am I supposed to study for it? Is there a list of specific vocabulary I should memorize or something?
I think JLPT is a really good list to learn from. Gives a really solid base for reading.
not hating on jplt but you really shouldn't stop there is what I'm saying
it was a friendly reminder after all
I don't think anyone is seriously claiming that it is magical road to fluency, but in my opinion it's a good jumping off point for getting deeper into the language.
Yeah only people who pass kanji kentei level one are TRUE and HONEST Japanese fans
What the fuck are you saying, there are a lot of annoying grammar and expressions that you need to know in JLPT n1, and also texts about various subjects that doesn't appear in your porn games.
post it on foolz next time fuckface
burgerclap can't handle learning another language, point at him and laugh
Kanji kentei is too hard, I'm struck in the lvl 6 in the DS game.
I always fail to pass the lvl 5 because I can't write shit.
People in DJT over reacted to people claiming passing N1 = fluency a long time ago. I think there may still be a sour taste left over. Passing N1 does mean you have a pretty good level of proficiency.
What does the ぞ in 神のみぞ知る世界 is expressing? Is it just adding emphasis?
No it doesn't, it means you're on the same level as an elementary schooler. You won't be able to read shit.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
that's because DJT fucking sucks at japanese
Enjoy thinking you're understanding what you're reading.
>I have played 10 eroge and translated manga targeted at children, I'm an expert
Enjoy pretending to know what you're talking about.
>eroge targeted at children
Would you fuck off back to your lolibutt thread you fucking pedo
>not being a pedo
There are a huge number of compounds that actually are the same though, even if the characters sometimes are simplified differently. Individual kanji/hanzi very rarely has diffrent meanings, and when they do differ it's usually because the meaning retained in Japanese is an older meaning that is not used in modern Chinese.
By the way, 手纸 is toilet paper in Chinese. Yeah, I'm not even kidding.
>being a degenerate criminal who preys upon helpless children
You are worse than trash
>implying being a pedo is the same as a child molester
You should consider learning English before trying to learn Japanese.
This must be what a Japanese thread on /v/ looks like...
>been working on and off for like a year and a half now
>do my core2000 reps nearly every day
>still can't read shit
>cant find a single good Grammar guide
>seeing this depresses me
Ugh, I hate this ;-;
And you should get ready to be assfucked in prison you child rapist
>confess to having homicidal urges
>complain about being treated as a potential murderer
that's you, kidfucker
>a-am I fitting in yet guys?
Not him, but you are already ruining an entire thread by presenting your stupidity on two different definitions .
Either learn English or fuck off with your moral faggotry.
I'll have to agree, you're not even putting out an argument, just getting angry.
Wow that would almost be convincing if you didn't repeat the exact same phrase you did here you fuckwit
I have 2 problems and I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with them.
The first is 自分の買い物のついでだったとでも言えば、さぐがに受け取るしかないだろう。 I don't get if he's trying to say if (she) said something like I just happened to get my shopping done too I'd have to accept it, or if that 受け取る has another meaning.
The next one is スーパーの袋はしっかり俺がたたんでやろう。 Is the たたんで 畳む? Do they really fold shopping bags in Japan or is this some kind of phrase?
Please stop shitting up this thread.
Yeah dude that's so convincing, it's not like anyone can do that.
How about you stop shitting up this site with your disgusting predatory behavior?
Don't reply, he'll just accuse you of photoshop. you might as well take a picture of your monitor.
Why bother though?
The whole idea of taking these proficiency tests just seems kind of pathetic and depressing to me.
I gauge my ability in Japanese by the games, manga, etc, that I'm able to read because those are the things that I love. I find it depressing that there are people learning Japanese who have so little interest in the products that are written in Japanese that they have to take a proficiency test so that they will know whether or not they have accomplished anything.
These kinds of people do nothing but read textbooks and mindlessly drill. They don't give a rat's ass about the actual language as long as they can get to Japan, fuck some Japanese girls, and maybe get a job teaching English.
>replying to your own post to astroturf support for child molestation
can't you see we are too busy having a serious discussion here, man? you are not even posting retarded monologues in japanese, so refrain from posting, will you?
Just popping in to this thread real quick to point out that you're an idiot. A pedophile is not a person who rapes children. A pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. If they act on these urges, then they become rapists. Interestingly, most child rapists are not even pedophiles.
I agree that you should learn English before trying to learn a second language.
You're really stupid if you honestly believe that, please shitposting.
Yeah, around here we measure fluency by the number of kanji you have mashed into your head using anki or the number of eroge you've read through. Because everyone who goes to collage/take JLPT are fucking low-life confirmists who will never learn Japanese because it's completely impossible unless you read a ton of eroge and do 5000 reps on anki every day.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, STOP BRINGING MORAL FAGGOTRY INTO A FUCKING JAPANESE THREAD.
LOOK, LOOK AT ME. MEMORIZE THIS POST AND DISTUINGUISH THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE.
How do I get a japanese gf?
Getting a little angry there, pal.
Someone's mad that they are a disgusting degenerate and child predator
I am so glad they added longer post timers so that you can be caught samefagging every time.
I was using 'pass' more to mean having the knowledge to pass. I agree that passing a test won't make you any better at Japanese.
If you say you just got it while doing your own shopping, he/she will have to accept the gift.
People fold paper shopping bags everywhere, if they plan to keep them to use later for trash or something. But I don't know exactly what they do in japan.
Yep, everyone who disagrees with you is samefagging, you sure caught me.
meet a japanese girl, and impress her
just like any other type of girl
search search on ameba
I'm angry, because some autistic fuck is all "ABLOBOO WHY ISN'T THERE GOOD PEOPLE ONLINE? HYUCK HYUCK SMMEFAG"
That's pretty fucking irritating.
If this is your conclusive proof, you've got nothing
>there are people on 4chan who unironically have waifus and are pedos
>Because everyone who goes to collage/take JLPT are fucking low-life confirmists who will never learn Japanese because it's completely impossible unless you read a ton of eroge and do 5000 reps on anki every day.
If you're doing anything but shitposting for the sake of ruining this thread, then please consider seeing a doctor. You seem to have some paranoia problems as well as anger issues.
Let my friend help you out.
You're the one who needs to see a doctor you disgusting cancer on society
Maybe they can chemically castrate you and lock you in a fucking hole
I hope the mod bans the people replying to him along with him. You people are fucking retarded. He could have posted a troll face along with every post and you still would have bitten.
sick trips but check these
If only they'd chemically castrate those who fall this far under the bar of mental retardation.
>anyone who calls me out for being a criminal and a degenerate is a troll
Keep believing that kidfucker, understand though that most parents would take a bat to your head if they could get away with it
Sorry, it's been too long. I'll remember to just hide troll posts in the future.
How does it feel to be less than a fucking worm? How does it feel to know that everyone hates your disgusting pedophile guts and would rather you killed yourself then even live in their neighborhood. I can't imagine how your parents would feel, and you probably hate yourself too.
>That guy in the back
He looks so out of fucking place.
what am I watching?
I don't know if any of you have ever used this but Wiktionary has a lot of really interesting information about the etymology of kanji and such.
wow, that teacher is beyond pretty
Daily reminder that in the kanji kentei site, in the page of the experience of people who passed the level 1, the first person is a gaijin.
Is this the Japanese equivalent of Glee but without the music?
It looks like nothing but racemixing and multiculturalism.
I thought Nihonjin no shiranai nihongo was pretty popular here.
It's pretty terrible. Every episode is about a different gaijin spilling spagetti everywhere
I was actually unaware that Japanese people had other stuff on TV besides sumo, baseball, and Anime. Are these live action dramas any good?
I've just started with Japanese recently.
But having some Chinese background due to mandatory Mother-Tongue(2nd language), I can safely tell you some funny stuff about Kanji.
I'm sure some of you don't know that Kanji is extremely simplified. Look at Taiwanese to see what Kanji looked like a few hundred years ago, most Kanji originated from drawings.
It is pretty nice for teaching the language.
They're like Novellas.
I believe Japanese is less simplified than Mandarin is. Cantonese is less simplified than Japanese too, I think.
He started taking the level 8, you guys should be humble like him.
that's a false equivalency
>i like women
>i like to rape women
those statements are not equal in the same way
>i like children
>i like to rape children
are not equal
What the fuck
Don't bother responding, he's just shitposting. You can hide his posts with the - on the left, might need to be turned on in the settings.
It's less confusing to say "Taiwanese" than to say "Standard Script Chinese"
I've heard that the simplified characters have connotations of communism to Chinese people not on mainland China so they actively don't use them. I don't think it's unique to Taiwanese.
Thanks god for making the language of the eroge and porn comics the easiest among those that use moonrunes.
Why do you think that it's the easiest? I've heard mostly the opposite.
>accidentally skip a sentence without realizing it
>failing to understand the next
>correct myself and suddenly get the next sentence
This really hit home on the importance of context when reading Japanese.
I'm sure Japanese people can also skim text to quickly get the gist. I wonder if anyone here has achieved a level high enough to very quickly partially read a body of text and get the general ideas.
The phonetics is so easy it is ridiculous, the amount of kanji you need to know isn't that big and the kanji usually isn't that hard.
If it isn't Japanese, what is the easiest language with moonrunes?
Fuck off back to /pol/ with your cancer.
It is about a bunch of gaijins learning Japanese. This is the best part of the series, it is about how counters don't make any sense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iSSBVEFwDc&t=6m30s
It is pretty enjoyable and also educational.
You shouldn't be in a Japanese thread if you're this ignorant.
I haven't seen very many definitive sources actually comparing them. Obviously comparing languages is somewhat trivial. But according to the FSI/NSA (of the American government), Chinese is closer to English than Japanese is, making it at least somewhat easier to learn.
These links were posted in a recent thread:
I meant insignificant/not important, not to imply that it's easy.
So I wanted to ask the people who know around or close to 2000 kanji about their speaking skills. Are you able to speak more...coherently or smoothly than Davido-kun? For those who don't know:
I'll be completely honest, Japanese culture doesn't interest me very much. I'm just in it for the porn, VNs and anime.
Where would I get speaking practice from?
Yeah, being good at oral communication requires explicit practice in: speaking, production, and listening.
I wonder what happened to Davido-kun.
what's 行かざるべき and how does it differ from 行くべき?
is the white business man the smartest student there?
You never practice speaking to yourself? Like having a conversation with yourself while learning? Or at least copying what characters in anime you're watching are saying?
I moan out loud when watching porn, but I'd have to record it and send it to a Japanese person and have them correct the grammatical mistakes that I'm making.
What the fuck?
make a nip friend and talk to him.
play just about any fighting game on the ps3 you'll run into quite a few.
Love how they're completely ragging on him.
also not sure if hes being polite or is just ignorant.
>polite or is just ignorant.
It's his autism causing him to not know how to react.
Some jobs require you to have passed N1. Other people may take it out of curiosity to see if their understanding of the language is enough to pass the standardized test.
How does Kanji Info work? I get the big kanji at the bottom of my cards but hovering doesn't do anything and I don't see the stroke order anywhere.
Also, how do I permanently increase the number of new cards per day?
Sorry; can't into Anki yet.
I always think/moan shit like イキそう、気持ちいいよ、出すぞ while fapping, it is like I suddenly turn Japanese when watching for porn.
The words for this in my native language looks so dirty that I feel that they are too gross.
ahh. the spaghetti effect. gotcha.
The Japanese girl in the white blouse is fucking beautiful.
Instead of cantonese you should call it traditional chinese, taiwanese use them too. But you are right on that japanese is less simplified than simplified chinese.
Even with my beginner Japanese, this show seems pretty amusing. Seems like good listening practice since it's educational and has Japanese subs.
I'm pretty sure she's Taiwanese anon. or around that area.
Hearing the black guy speaking Japanese blew my mind. It's funny since for some reason it still sounded like some sort of African tongue.
I may just be ignorant, but it seems that 9/10 kanji are traditional as opposed to being some form of simplified in Japanese.
There was a guy on nico recently who got some attention masturbating on cam by making noise/moaning through it recently I believe.
>djt in japan
Japanese don't know Japanese? Is that the title?
Why are black people in Japan usually Africans?
They never have that "YO NIGGA WATTUP I AINT GONNA LICK DA PUSSY I AINT NO BUSTA" accent, it's always the straight outta Somalia accent.
The Japanese the japs don't know
There are probably more black people in Africa than there are in other places, so if you were to randomly select a black person they'd probably be African.
I didn't understand your post at all. Can you rephrase 'cause I'm kind of interested in what you were saying.
why does the teacher look korean though
does the ざる suffix always imply ざるを得ない? So in the case of 行くべきか行かざるべきか, is he really asking if he should go or if he has to go?
That sounds strange don't you think?
>"YO NIGGA WATTUP I AINT GONNA LICK DA PUSSY I AINT NO BUSTA"
Those erm, "black people" usually have not interest in bettering themselves through education.
You fucking idiot.
The one in 日本語の知らない日本語 is from America, at least in the show.
Black people in Japan seem to be from Africa and they speak with African accents. I rarely ever see a black person on Japanese TV that has an American accent or any kind of western accent.
How do Africans even get the opportunity to go to Japan? I thought that pretty much the whole continent was a warzone.
Because you're eyes are fucked up.
Japanese simplified their Kanji separately from china. So even for some Kanji characters that are simplified in both Simplified Chinese and Japanese, they can look different. Usually Japanese looks closer to Traditional Chinese in this case.
As an example, the Kanji for "happiness"
樂 : Traditional Chinese
楽 : Kanji
乐 : Simplified Chinese
Well, branching off from this dude >>100447645
does anyone know how much of Japanese television is anime? I think I saw a stat once and it was like 70%, which I thought was pretty high. The stat was strangely worded so I don't for sure.
He master keigo, he was talking more japanese than the japs in that episode, he is the smartest.
It really isn't, at least during the day. When I was in Japan there was nothing good on TV. At night I happened to find some variety show and just left that on.
Nigeria has a pretty large population, and some countries like that, especially in Western Africa, have immigrants that have spread to various countries. I knew two Nigerians (descendants of Nigerians, that is) in my grade class in Texas. If you do happen to see a black person in Japan, they're probably from Nigeria, but it's not like they get any more immigration than anywhere else with them particularly, and very rarely will you find someone who is black.
What language is in the subtitles? Is that Chinese/Mandarin/whatever the hell it's called?
I see the Japanese below in the smaller font, but the larger subtitle is a mix between kanji and something that looks like kanji that I have never seen before.
My dream is go to Japan and teach Japanese people Japanese.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying.
That is Simplified Chinese.
Chinese from what I've heard from anyone who's learned it.
It's not that amazing. Look up Eyobe1, or Dante Carver, or RhymingGaijin, or Marqus Bird, or even the guy who created AJATT.
I'm starting to love KanjiDamage.
Don't you have to learn like 10k of kanji to be at middle school level?
I've heard 6k in Chinese is like 2.5k in Japanese.
3k required in mainland, and 5k required in Taiwan minimum. I assume that means that somewhere in the 5-6 thousand range would be the average vocabulary of a Chinese person who was moderately educated conservatively, certainly not 10k.
holy shit. Only 19 people have ever passed kentei 1??
I bet he loves /b/
does anybody have a answer?
けんてい not けんたい
It's the combination of 剣道 and 変態 so it's basically sword porn.
Official certification for what?
Just Google it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji_kentei
Of course it doesn't have everyone who passed in the site.
For passing 漢字検定１級
I said the creator of KanjiDamage must love /b/ (which in this case is an insult). Do you lack reading comprehension? In no way does that imply I love or even like KD.
it looks cute
I was just quoting you, I know what you were saying, you shit. It was directed at the other guy.
There's no need to be hostile, アノン君！
Even if you click 全て, it still says １９件/１９件
I meant what was the certificate for but wikipedia answered me.
>Do you lack reading comprehension? In no way does that imply I love or even like KD.
Well then don't phrase your sentences in ways that piss me off.
>implying that was me
According to the Wikipedia page:
>Native speakers pass levels 10 through 7 at better than an 80% rate, whereas level 1 is so difficult that fewer than two thousand people take it each time it is offered, and fewer than 15% of those examinees pass.
That implies more than 19
Then don't respond? What does this have to do with you? Why are you telling me to not be hostile to this faggot who pissed me off? You want some too, queerbait? Huh?
I don't know why I keep learning all those army positions.
It's not like I will ever understand what's the difference between 軍曹、大尉 or 尉官.
Why are wu and u in Katakana spelled the same?
'Wu' would be ワゥ in katakana. There are no kana just for 'wu'
There is no katakana or hirigana "wu"
What is hirigana？
The best you can do is ウゥ, but even that doesn't work.
No need to edge the thread closer to the bump limit just because you wanted to point out a spelling mistake.
Meant to add that you just use ウ and they aren't distinguished.
This picture is from the Tae Kim guide.
That Korean is trying to troll you.
I think that's because they would sound the same (if wu actuallt existed)
This link is dead
Okay so what is it? is wu spelled ウ and that's just how it is?
It's just saying that it's the closest sound, in terms of conjugation 買う goes to 買わない and such.
It's ウ pronounce ウ and not distinguished from ウ.
this is what happens when you trust koreans
Okay I won't worry about it.
Does anyone have the 2nd yotsuba& reading pack?
>All of the episodes of Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihongo are covered in disgusting chink writing
I feel sick.
Who is your favorite Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihongo?
Wait, I'm supposed to learn the kanjis right away using just Anki? Shouldn't I learn the radicals first?
Wait, I'm supposed to learn the kanji right away using just Anki? Shouldn't I learn the radicals first?
Yes, my autism has been soothed.
>mfw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyōiku_kanji and the first kanji I don't know is 倍 (254)
I can learn Japanese.
Where can I download Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihongo?
I checked nyaa but the only download is pretty much dead and has no seeders.
You don't know a kanji teached to kids in third grade
That's a waste of time. Once you are familiar with many characters over time you will naturally get a feel for the common radicals. You can go study up after the fact if you want to know all of their names or something.
You can download it from animebytes.
Do any of you have Skype? I'm looking for study partners. Generally Skype is a distraction that I always have on, so I can take advantage of that.
Just reply to this with yours if interested and I'll add you.
Will Haruko ever take Bob's big black dick?
b-but bob is one of her precious students! she would never do that!
nope. i looked around real quick, even checked a 27gb japanese language pack on the bay and couldn't find it.
just buy it anon. if you liked the first one you'll probably like the next.
Is Bob autistic?
It felt weird to see such a timid black man. I kept expecting him to start beating the shit out of his boss when his boss started yelling at him about not cleaning the dishes properly. He didn't though, Bob just looked depressed and scared.
I've never seen a black person act like this before.
Does it bother anyone that Japan is basically just a different version of China? Like their history is so close to the point where Japan originated from China. I mean, does it bother anyone that the Japanese aren't original? Especially seeing how big a part of their language Chinese is?
Here you go.
Well, he is Japanese. His whole belief system is Japanese so the way he acts/feels is basically Japanese.
Well Japanese is a Japonic language, it's linguistically very different from Chinese, it just happened to steal China's writing system.
>Does it bother anyone that America is basically just a different version of England? Like their history is so close to the point where America originated from England. I mean, does it bother anyone that the Americans aren't original? Especially seeing how they both have the same language.
Japan is more unique than America is to England and I still like America.
If he gets fired he will have to go back to america.
It's more of a convenience if anything. Kanjitomo doesn't always work so it just helps as a good way to look up a word I don't know.
fuck, you beat me to it
Well, that's a fair point. I can't argue that. Yeah, I guess Japan has made its name its own.
No. I know very little about China, so Japan seems original enough to me.
You've probably seen like 3 black people in your life and base your knowledge off of internet stereotypes. Him being timid isn't a big deal.
yeah. i missed not having it as i progressed through yotsubato&! but jisho's radical search is reliable enough so it wasn't that daunting
What should I research further learning obscure kanji: colors, fishes or plants?
All of them, don't forget medical and legal terms.
Fish. It'll double as food too.
I went to a 90% black majority high school in Delray Beach. It's weird seeing a black man acting like a human being instead of a monkey.
I mean, what I do first?
I'm thinking to do fish first, fishes are pretty cool.
I hate the Chinese. They're foul and disgusting animals that have no sense of cleanliness. Chopping up chickens in the middle of the street like the road is their own personal butcher chop, that disgusting bile bear shit, their obsession with "Chinese herbal medicine" and animal penises, how the Chinese will spit on the street and use one hand to blow snot out of their nose and onto whatever is near them, their restrooms that are just drenched in feces, so much pollution that every city is hidden under a shroud of yellow smog.
Every single thing about China is disgusting. They are some of the worst creatures on the planet and I wish that Japan would have wiped those animals out back in WW2.
Yeah, I haven't gotten around to doing that. If you make a comprehensive anki deck please post a link to it here in the future please.
whenever i see a crime report on the news my mother and i like to bet if it'll be a black guy or a White/Hispanic guy.
90% of the time, its a black. kinda sad.
I live near Dallas which has some pretty ghetto areas so it isn't surprising either.
Okay, I'll try doing it, but it will take a lot of time.
I vote fish. find cute fish pictures and make a anki deck of them. best of both worlds!
My experience with black people is the opposite.
Oh wow, thanks anon.
what is the difference between these two words?
秘密 & 内緒
Holy Jesus Christ, dude. Well, if what I knew about China wasn't repellent enough, this sure as fuck was. I don't know much about them but whenever I do imagine China from an overview, I just imagine crowds of people, masses of buildings and, for some reason, never any sunlight. As if the sun doesn't shine upon the country. I also do imagine it as more of a lower class/ not much money kind of place.
How would you know it's really 'that' bad though? Those were some harsh fucking words.
This should be added to the OP
it's a secret
>Chinese public toilet
Proving that racists have low IQ. You do know that's all you accomplished, right?
Are you honestly this stupid? Everything in his point is one giant generalization fallacy.
I can't tell who is more dumb: the one who took him seriously, or he himself.
I remember hearing that 内緒 is used by kids, it's serious I think.
>it's serious I think.
It's less serious*
Holy fuck, I cannot type at all right now.
>How would you know it's really 'that' bad though? Those were some harsh fucking words.
I had the horrible misfortune of visiting China. It was the worst experience of my entire life.
I still vividly remember when I saw a grown man take a shit in an elevator at the hotel I was staying at. He didn't seem to be drunk, there were several other people in the elevator, and I was the only person who seemed to be alarmed by this. This kind of behavior is normal in China, they piss in the streets like they're dogs. There is no other nation on the entire planet that is as dirty as China. It's a cesspool.
God dammit me and my paranoia.
>implying it's a "race" problem
Japanese have Chinese blood in them and they don't act like animals. Keep crying about 'waicism' though.
>I saw a couple isolated events during my insignificant three weeks in China, so one billion people are like that!
It's usually best not to take these people seriously (people from the west judging the east). It's usually inaccurate or misrepresented when someone judges another country, but when it's a completely different kind of culture, you'll only find the answer if you actually go the place and understand it from their perspective, instead of the perspective of one guy on 4chan just saying everyone shits and pisses on the street..
Is ふ "fu" Like FOOd or "hu" like HOOt?
Neither; the sound is not present in English.
Neither, it's a bilabial fricative.
Sounds about right.
That doesn't make your generalization fallacies any less irrational.
Then how am I supposed to know how to pronounce it? When I hear japs say it it sounds like "hu"
you can download mine if you want
>Then how am I supposed to know how to pronounce it?
If he's paranoid then how would that be any better? One anon wouldn't be better than another.
? It's the real mccoy anon.
Have you ever been to China?
This and much worse happens constantly. The Chinese have no regard for hygiene, they don't give a single shit about animals and that's why they are universally seen as one of the most inhumane countries on the planet as far as animal cruelty. One google search pulled up dozens of videos that are identical to what I saw in that vile country.
Enjoy the beauty of Chinese culture as you watch this Chinese woman take a shit in an elevator.
but they are over 18 years old
It's not fallacious; it's the truth. China is probably the single most filthy, polluted nation in the world. Nearly every city's sky is grey or yellow from pollution. People shit and piss in the street regularly. It's like India but the government is doing everything possible to expand as much as possible which devastates everything all the way to the countryside.
Well, of course I'm not going to take his generalization on the entire population, but I will take from it that it happens there and is, for the most part normal. It's definitely something I'm going to take note of. Though it's true that a part of them may be disgusting, I'm sure other parts of them would know some of their kind do that and be completely disgusted and opposed to those actions. Just like some Arabs in a certain part of a country can be the most fucking cocksucking obnoxious assholes, while other parts are the complete opposite and reject that part of their country.
Nonetheless, I'd like to ask, where in China did you come across these events?
>Doesn't even pick up her shit off the floor when she's finished
Someone has shit in an elevator in every modern country in the world. Stop being an idiot.
I was just wondering this, one thing told me Hu, another Fu. I assumed it's fhu, with a light f
also that is the ugliest mother fucker i've encountered so far.
i find this arousing
Nobody is saying every single person of the one billion in China shit in elevators; it's the fantasy of people who like to (irrelevantly) cry 'waicism' to have such an easy to attack argument, so they just attack the strawman.
Yes, you are spot on: this is normal in China and it will probably make your day worse stepping in human shit and give you a headache from all the pollution.
I just ran into this and can't figure it out. I know that にも程がある refers to limits on something, but the first part is really throwing me for a loop.
Fuck off Chinese Internet Defense Force. Surely least one person has starved in Norway but it takes an irrational person not to observe that Norway is much, much better than Africa. China is generally a shithole; deal with it.
Not him but CLEARLY it's more common and accepted in China. Don't be a retard.
Okay, well, guys, obviously there is something in Chinese culture that causes this and allowed this to happen, because the examples given are definitely not speaking of people in slums/ghettos/intoxicated state. These are normal people. That says something about the people; about the population. There's something not right about them. That's some fucked shit.
Anon they are so fucking different from each other you don't know what you are talking about. I would even say Japan is the one who actually preserve the best part of Ancient China. Though I am quite sure both Chinese and Japanese will get angry if they hear me saying that.
If you know a bit modern Chinese you will understand how the language broken it is. It is once a beautiful language but all is lost now. A lot of characters were simplified to the point of absurd, losing their intended meaning.
>take a shit on elevator
>take a shit inside your pants
What would you rather do?
Cantonese is still fairly close to classical Chinese. Mandarin has been modified by a lot and mixed with other languages.
how broken the language is*
>Stop being racist! It's perfectly normal to shit in public places! It happens every where!
Where do you live?
I have never seen an adult human being shit outside of a restroom in any western nation that I've lived in or visited, but I saw it in China and I saw plenty of places where it had happened previously because the shit was still just lying on the ground.
If the average Chinese person who lives in a city feels the urge to release their bowels then they will just do it in the street rather than find a restroom. That kind of behavior is so repulsive that not even the most ghetto and backwards people in the US do that.
>A lot of characters were simplified to the point of absurd, losing their intended meaning.
On a side note. That's why philosophia isn't written filosofia. The ph sound used in Latin was used to transliterate that sound from the Greek which is pronounced as an f today.
Hold it in for 30 seconds and go to the nearest restroom like a civilized human.
my mother works retail and she recounted a tale on how a women took a shit in the women's clothing department. the "general" population(see, normal fags/etc.. ) are raging morons by all accounts.
shes been working retail for 20 years so I'm obligated to take her word until some of similar experience.
also, don't be dense. the topic is of the commonality of such events.
It's not that easy to walk when you're close to shitting your pants.
What is inside 図？
シ or ツ?
You are right, I forgot to mention what I mean by modern Chinese are Mandarin and Simplified Chinese. It is sad that everyone in the world learn that instead of Traditional Chinese because muh easier to learn.
Go watch a random video that introduces Hiragana/Katakana
If you have ever played a wind instrument, just make a relaxed embouchure and blow. That's a フ.
I dunno, seems like the rest of the world can do it without problem.
You're seriously defending them as if it happens in China, even proportionally, as much as it happens in other countries. I'd be able to wait. Tell me, how would you react if your fucking wife shit in an elevator? Would you brush it off, like he did? Or would you instead have lowered your view of her and give her a piece of your mind about what she just did? Or perhaps even divorce her for such a vulgar act? That says something about their entire culture, sir.
You forgot to correct his thirty other grammatical mistakes.
What I meant is that the Japanese came from the Chinese, which means they aren't exactly original. I know that they are entirely different.
I really enjoy the DJT threads and feel they should be on /a/ BUT the constant derailing of threads into /pol/ territory is not what was intended.
Guys please keep your cancerous shit out of the DJT before someone wises up and finally moves djt off /a/.
neither technically. 「ツ」 "does" but the stroke order is different.
Well all biological life on Earth pretty much came from the same place, not too sure what your point is.
I don't see what's wrong with simplified Chinese, there's no point in manually calculating 2142*413522 if you can just do it with a fucking calculator.
That's more of an argument against writing. It loses historical/cultural meaning for the sake of a few less strokes.
>daily japanese thread
>discussing the ethics of a chinese woman taking a dump in an elevator
Clench your ass and walk. I've done it hundreds of times. Even when I was a child, the idea of shitting myself was unthinkable. I would sit in class for 15 minutes, clenching my ass, waiting for the teacher to see that I had raised my hand, and then when she finally called on me and gave me permission to go to the restroom then I would walk there and shit in the restroom.
I never shit in my pants. It might be understandable if you've been reamed by a horse and your ass is so loose that you have no control over your bowel movements, but this isn't the case for these people. They just don't want to be inconvenienced by finding a restroom and they have no problem with dirtying their environment.
It's behavior that's rooted in an extremely selfish culture that has no regard for the well being of the community. "Shit in a elevator? Why should I care? Not my problem anymore since I'm leaving the elevator. Someone else can deal with it." That's basically the Chinese way of thinking. They don't care about anyone other than themselves.
How do you know how much people shit in public in China compared to other countries?
Bam, it's happening in America. America is filthy! They show disregard to everyone and they all shit in supermarkets!
God, I FUCKING knew that was going to come up in the next post. Well, I wanted to say something like the Japanese broke off a lot later than other people who have developed their own country, which means they are still basically a good portion Chinese, but aftter some careful thinking, I realized that the Japanese have come so far to be well enough their own people. That's why I disregarded my argument earlier.
I'm glad it's not just me, I thought it was all that リゼルグ酸ジエチルアミド I took earlier.
Nothing is going to change. Every thread on 4chan ever has a chance of going completely off topic, and it can be fun.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
Let's see if anyone agrees that Phones should be called Walkie-Talkies.
I understand where you're coming from, it just like trivial semantic argument about who's 'original'
Except the term walkie-talkie already has a meaning and is a different piece of technology. You're not very good at metaphors, please stop using them.
Do I know Japanese yet?
Are there any good Video lessons that focus on grammar?
I think he's complaining about constantly being off topic. It's pretty shitty when that happens, as in this case, where normal discussion is drowned out by pretentious pseudo-intellectual faggots fighting about people shitting in elevators.
>How do you know how much people shit in public in China compared to other countries?
Because everyone complains about it constantly. China is consistently voted as one of the dirtiest nations on the planet. There are tons of legitimate complaints about the US, but I have never heard of "public defecation" as a complaint that foreigners have when they visit the US.
You can look at thousands of travel blogs about people visiting or living in China and you will see the same stories over and over again. Pissing, shitting, and spitting in the street is as common in China as fat people are in America.
At the LEAST, you can see that she knew she did something wrong. She looked around to see if she's safe, then she looked at her shit knowing she did something wrong, then looked around again. The chinese lady simply wanted to be covered by her husband in order for someone not to see her lady parts.
>pretentious pseudo-intellectual faggots
That's us, those who post in the DJT. Make the best of it.
I think anybody who actually had adequate experience could recognize that there's both. It really depends on the individual, but niggers do exist, as do rednecks or whitetrash, and I think that recognizing your observations while not generalizing everyone, that is, by separating them into groups of those who are good and those who are bad will help one remain tolerant without having to ignore or deny unpreferable behavior.
There's nothing unhealthy about shitting, pissing or spitting in the street. It's called being efficient.
There is something unhealthy about being fat though.
So tell me, which is worse?
tae kim has some lessons focusing on grammar.
>So tell me, which is worse?
Being Chinese. They are animals.
Anon I am sorry I am bad with English, it is not my first language and I am still learning it.
I laughed, 七/十
That's not a whole lot however, I'm wondering if theres something that covers more.
Guys, there is NOTHING behind learning Kanji. NOTHING. There's nothing like "This sort of stroke is used on this kind of meaning" or "This part usually means this" like the way English is formed.
Is learning Kanji just literally looking at the character, memorizing the way to write it, the stroke order, its meaning and how to pronounce it?
You're a faggot. I hate people with that mindset. It's as if you have no morals. Like one of those "LIVE FOR ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND LIFE AT ALL COSTS!" kind of retards. It's like you say "If it doesn't harm me, there's nothing wrong with it" You're such a fucking moron. I really hate using personal insults over 4chan, but seriously, I fucking hate people with your mindset.
I was kind of insulting the guy who corrected you more than I was insulting you.
B-but it is me.
>There's nothing unhealthy about shitting, pissing or spitting in the street. It's called being efficient.
Fat people are only hurting themselves, which is fine and they're free to do that.
Shitting in the street hurts everyone around you by turning the streets/buildings into dens of filth that no sane person would enter. Someone will eventually have to clean it up, dozens of tourists will avoid entering the building if the floor is soaked in feces so it hurts the business, and the nation as a whole is harmed by the reduction in tourism that has come from China gaining the reputation it has of being such a filthy and disgusting nation.
Fat people though? They only hurt themselves. I would much rather have my eyes violated by the sight of a fat person walking by than to smell, see, and feel a floor that's covered in human feces.
>using ます form
>Guys, there is NOTHING behind learning Kanji. NOTHING
Ancient Chinese people created a quantum random generator that they used to create their writing system, it is completely random devoid of any meaning what so ever.
This. Japan and China are no more similar than Germany and Sweden. A culture hearth is a term that exists that you should probably learn. China was a culture hearth in the east, Graeco-Roman and Mesopotamian culture in the west. All Europeans use roman lettering. Latin forms the basis for several Romance languages, and still plays a highly relevant position in many others like English which gets over 30% of its vocabulary DIRECTLY from Latin. Differing religious ideologies have been destroyed, excepting different branches of the Christian faith, and some Jewish/Muslim populations. The food of Spain and Mexico/All of South America looks almost exactly like that of what you would find in Persia due to Muslim influences in the Iberian peninsula. The same style of government and culture existed in just about every single European country across most of its history, from feudalism to the rise of monarchy, etc.. I mean, how the fuck is European culture at all unique?
To elaborate, because I'm a raging faggot, it's like you set aside all morals and mannerisms because "they are inefficient and useless" Are you autistic? Fucking damnit, I don't even know where to start and how to end. There's a reason humans have a regard for morals, culture and mannerisms and it's part of the luxury of life.
Fat people hurt the whole country.
Your taxes? Yeah they're being used to pay the medical bills of people who are fat. They don't pay for treatment themselves for things like diabetes, the whole country does.
A lady who shits in an elevator though? Lol, janitor of the building or a street sweeper ends up cleaning it and done.
If a lady shits herself, she may be so embarassed that she takes the day off and goes home for new underwear. That's inefficient. This lady improvised and shit on the elevator because she realized she lives in a smart country which wouldn't care, but if that happened in America!? Well get prepared for a bunch of overweight slobs crying about freedom and saying "CLEAN THAT UP RIGHT NOW OR IM CALLING 911!!!!".
I have a lot of trouble getting 「醤」 and other tall kanji to fit properly in the lines when I write it.
Any help with this?
What caused Japanese culture to care so much about being clean and hygienic while Chinese culture seemed to go in the completely opposite direction?
Is it just because the Japanese have less land to work with so they want the living conditions on their land to be as high as possible, while the Chinese know that they can just shit up a place as much as they want and they will always have more land to spread out to?
You realize that improper waste disposal is a major health problem in the third world? The only reason you don't have hookworms right now is because you're country is smart enough not to let its citizens shit in the streets.
>They don't pay for treatment themselves for things like diabetes, the whole country does.
What kind of socialist hell do you live in?
Last I checked, there are no free rides in America. If you can't afford insurance then you die, as it should be.
I wish you had read the rest of my post. I meant behind learning it. Like the English equivalent of "ing" goes with words that signify "to do" an action. Like go'ing' do'ing' hitt'ing'. Like rules for Kanji. Not just memorizing a word and saying "this drawing goes with this meaning and pronounciation" I'm more asking for validation. Is that how one learns Kanji?
>CLEAN THAT UP RIGHT NOW OR IM CALLING 911!!!!".
I laughed. You seem to forget the downsides that come with shitting everywhere. Did you forget the repelling smell? The unpleasent look? Not being able to walk there because of the shit? The FUCKING DISEASE AND SICKNESS THAT COULD COME FROM IT? Or are those all inefficient too? Should we just get rid of/disregard our sense of sight, smell and our immune system because they are inefficient?
The respective capitalist and communist influences that shaped both countries in the past 100 years.
>I saw two youtube videos, therefore china does it with more frequency than other countries!
Stop backpedaling, and accept the fact that you lost the argument, shitheads. A generalization fallacy is a generalization fallacy.
Perhaps they saw how dirty their brethren were and wanted a change.
This ignorant and prejudiced way of thinking is why America is not the global powerhouse and never will be.
You'll never be efficient because your whole country will have a national 1 minute silence when ONE person took a shit on the street instead of in her pants.
Why does communism ruin everything?
There is no country that communism touched that it didn't end up ruining on every level. Communism turns citizens into sociopaths, it destroys the environment, aesthetic beauty becomes a lost idea and whole cities are turned into slums.
Has there ever been a more destructive idea in human history than communism?
... an archaic negative form of verbs that ends in 「～ざる」. It is really not used in modern Japanese with the exception of this grammar and some expressions such as 「意図せざる」. The rules for conjugation are the same as the negative verbs, except this grammar attaches 「ざる」 instead. "
From Tae Kim (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/feasibility).
>you lost the argument,
>This just became a game
Why? Why is this a win or lose game? Are you twelve?
>My country has mannerisms and is therefore inefficient and will go no where in life
Fuck. I hate you so much. Also, fuck America. I'm not from the U.S.
What's your point? They are similar but I think Japans side is still nicer.
The second anniversary of this thread is coming up next week.
>Like the English equivalent of "ing" goes with words that signify "to do" an action. Like go'ing' do'ing' hitt'ing'. Like rules for Kanji. Not just memorizing a word and saying "this drawing goes with this meaning and pronounciation" I'm more asking for validation. Is that how one learns Kanji?
Well first off "ing" is an inflection of a word, so it's not really the same concept. It is true that assuming radicals usually have significant meaning is a common beginner mistake, but if you do enough research even the most obtuse kanji can have logical roots. That said, that's not a realistic approach to learning an entire language.
To learn the 'meaning' of kanji, you should look at the words that it's used in, an easy way to do this is to write "*X*" in a dictionary site like Jisho, where X is the kanji, it'll search for all words with that kanji in it. Often times it can be difficult to discern a meaning because it's so varied, don't get too attached to the idea that all kanji can be distilled into concise English meanings.
Realistically, it's pretty much just memorization -- there aren't really any good, reliable tricks.
>A baby boy was killed after a school girl found him alone in a lift and then allegedly thew him off a balcony.
>CCTV footage in the lift shows as his mother was wheeling out his small green bike from the lift the doors abruptly shut.
>Seconds before the 10-year-old girl entered the lift and picked up Yuanyuan as the door started to close as his frantic mother sets the bike down.
>The grainy black and white footage shows the schoolgirl, who is wearing a backpack, holding the child for a few seconds before slamming him into the ground.
>As he struggles to get back up she repeatedly kicks him, hits him and stamps on him.
>When the lift doors open on the 25th floor she is seen grabbing Yuanyuan off the metal floor and pushing him out.
China is terrifying.
I'd try to cling on to my former glory, too, if I was a chink who realized how much of an abhorrent dump his country had become.
people on the left side shit on the streets, people on the right side don't
I think you're just ignorant and are infected with the all look the same idea.
What about the shintou religion, unique Japanese architecture, haikus, ukiyoes, bushido and samurais, kimonos, nihonryori, origami, kabuki, etc.. It's actually one of the most unique cultures on earth due in part to its isolation.
I find that the whole shitstorm is one giant troll since I never saw anyone shitting in broad daylight. That being said, I'll answer this - largely it's because of the extreme social mobility as of late (the past 20 years). Consider Beijing where over 30% of its residents are a migrant population that moves from rural villages to the city for work. Many of them are basically hicks from no-standards-ville, where they learned that exploiting people is the most effective way to get a better way of life.
The face of China's cities changes so drastically that the rules/standards are this constantly amorphous blob.
Cover everything on the left side in feces and piss and then it will be an accurate comparison of modern day China and Japan.
What a bad troll, Japanese people are obviously white and apart of the aryan master race.
No such thing as an aryan master race.
What the fuck is with all these /int/ faggots all of a sudden? Get out.
Western civilization actually used to view Asia as apart of them until fairly recently.
Fuck off to /pol/ shithead.
>Has there ever been a more destructive idea in human history than communism?
You're not trying very hard. Here, some ideas for you to ponder:
Apparently she's a psychopath and her family had been hiding that for a long while.
They have some unique points, but quite a few of those are based off of Chinese culture anyways.
These are just Japanese learners.
Developing an intense sense of Japanese nationalism and a hatred for China, Korea, and all enemies of Japan is a perfectly healthy and normal aspect of learning Japanese.
Let's get this thread back on topic,
Which kanji would you fuck?
I have to go with 何
Threesome with 大丈夫。
I prefer 姉
>They have some unique points, but quite a few of those are based off of Chinese culture anyways.
They have a lot of unique points, but I will give you that a good amount are based on Chinese culture, a very large amount is not seen in any other country besides Japan and hold a completely unique origin. I can't think of any European country besides Russia of the top of my head that doesn't have another country that it's not very similar to.
Okay, well thank you for that. That made it both easier and harder.
I'm not saying that. I know Japan is very distinct but what I 'was' saying is that they CAME from Japan. It's not long from the first biological Asian came China, Japan, etc.. no, there was China and then some people broke off, STILL CHINESE, MIND YOU, and started their own country. They CAME FROM JAPAN. I dropped the argument long ago but I'm clarifying to you because you got the wrong message. I wasn't saying what you thought I was. It was you being narrow.
How's it feel to realize the people you post with every day are not the kind of people you thought they were? Moron.
I think he was referring to the amount of off-topic posting, but I could be wrong.
>Developing an intense sense of Japanese nationalism and a hatred for China, Korea, and all enemies of Japan is a perfectly healthy and normal aspect of learning Japanese.
Jesus Christ I fucking laughed a good, genuine, hearty laugh. Thank you.
He tries to mentally contrast some set of "real" DJT posters with "foreign and unwanted" /int/ 'invaders', when they are one and the same.
I decided to do my reps only after I finish the VN I was reading since I assumed it was ending, but it got much longer than I've thought and now it's really late, and I'm tired as fuck. I still need to add words to my deck, and only after that do my reps. What do I do, /a/? ;_;
> that they CAME from Japan
>They CAME FROM JAPAN.
Well, that picture actually doesn't work with what you were replying to. He was talking about the completely off topic posting in a DJT thread. He's a faggot for saying get out and needs to shut up and realize that it's nice to have a different discussion once in a while, but the picture you posted is giving the wrong message. The picture you posted is referring to faggots who rage at people who don't like what they like, which is technically still on topic. I think the part of the picture you wanted to post was the first paragraph, as it does reflect quite nicely on what he said.
I meant China. They came from China. Fuck me.
Come back when you're not satan anymore.
Hey, be quiet, man, she did nothing wrong. It was all for Madokas happiness.
I want to learn japanese is there an easy way to do that without learning how to write? I'm kind of a different learn and would like to just learn it from watching anime and would just like to understand animes
>learn it from watching anime
What? Dude you already sound like you're from tumblr. Read the guide.
it's not even tumblr, it's more like gaia
>she did nothing wrong
This sentence had been created many thread.
Already back from your ban when you tried this a few days ago?
I don't know how to read that and google translate did shit all.
Nothing worthy in your life will be granted for you easily.
what are you talking about? I'm new here fyi
Ignore the trolls replying to you. Here is a fucking great guide.
I don't see what is hard in his sentence.
i was thinking of rosetta stone but it is pretty expensive and I have no money
It really does seem like that sometimes. Living and working in Japan might be shit, but when the Chinese Internet Defense Force or 火病 ("Anger Syndrome" Koreans) appear, I tend to take Japan's side on the issue.
This is gold.
I don't know any Kanji.
Wait, what's wrong with Rosetta Stone? I've never used it but I've heard plenty of great things. Not specifically about Japanese, but a friend of mine used it for at least 5 or 6 languages.
Why is working and living in Japan shit?
People are just under that impression because Japanese people work hard and some work a little too hard. There's no reason it would be bad if you come prepared. Only ignorants and supposers think such a thing.
Everything is more expensive, you're generally expected to work more, it's harder to get a job as a gaijin, and it's much harder to steal government money.
It may just be shit from your perspective of how life is or should be lived. For them, working insane hours is the norm and they don't have an issue.
Its pretty good if you have a decent preconception of the language and its grammar, and you just need to work through weird rules and vocab.
For example, I know English and Spanish, so Rosetta Stone would be a decent tool if I wanted to learn French, Portuguese, Italian, Dutch, Norwegian, and perhaps German and Danish, among others.
With Japanese, you have to get used to a language whose conventions are fairly dissimilar to those above. You have to get used to the concept of an "adjective" in English representing more nuanced and contextual expressions, yet alone parsing and correctly remembering the Kanji and grammatical cues.
Rosetta Stone is good tool (to pirate) if you have a decent foundation. You have no fucking foundation in Japanese, even if you have watched it dubbed for the past 6 gorrillian years.
meh.. nvm I'll just watch with subs I guess
Maybe I'll feel like starting tomorrow if this is how I feel tonight
I recommend you take a look at a book called "Tokyo Vice," which is written by an American who worked as a reporter in Japan. Honestly, the book made Japan seem more appealing to me, even though it displayed some of the state's worst aspects for a foreigner.
I seriously cannot tell whether this guide is a joke or just terrible.
I've just barely gotten used to working 20 hours a week after 4 years of doing it. Work sucks when your job is not your hobby. It's probably just my 自閉症.
Learning Japanese makes me hate that I was born in the West so much more. There are so many things I will never get, know, experience or have because I wasn't born a Jap. It's so frustrating looking at something that is unattainable because it was lost or decided from birth. It's just a life you can't have. I sound like a weaboo saying this but the difference is I've accepted it and won't pursue it. Nonetheless, the feeling associated with it sucks.
20 hours what? That isn't shit. Are you just kidding?
Learning English makes me hate that I was born in the East so much more. There are so many things I will never get, know, experience or have because I wasn't born a red-blooded American. It's so frustrating looking at something that is unattainable because it was lost or decided from birth. It's just a life you can't have. I sound like a westaboo saying this but the difference is I've accepted it and won't pursue it. Nonetheless, the feeling associated with it sucks.
english is the best native language to have.
Yes, I know. I've realized how lucky I am and truly appreciate it because it really is a gigantic life advantage to be born a westerner (relatively) with English as his first language but I can't help but yearn for experiencing the other side. Fuck, I wish I could live two lives.
Except no one says that.
>Tokyo Vice - An American Report on the Police Beat in Japan
What? What is the police beat?
>Except no one says that.
Yes, they do, you retarded, delusional weeaboo.
Talking of romaji, is there a consensus regarding IMEs? Yeah, yeah, >expecting consensus on 4chan, you know what I mean.
I noticed that many English natives struggle with other languages because English has messy rules and a heavily reduced amount of inflexion and cases, but that might just be my German elitism speaking.
Enjoy being a monolingual faggot while I speak all the romance languages without even studying it and can pronounce japanese sounds correctly without struggling.
I know they do. What I wanted to say was "except there's nothing good about being a westerner" but I realized that was even dumber to say so I said something less dumb.
Google's IME is pretty hard to beat. The one that comes with Windows is passable, and the one that comes with OSX is fucking awful.
English actually sucks but what I took from his post, and what I think he actually meant, was that English is the best to know because it's a universally dominant language. The west is so influential on the rest of the world. I want to say the west basically runs the world but I can't back that up for shit and am not so sure of it myself.
>they don't have an issue.
It's actually sort of a big issue but they do complain less about it.
What I'm trying to say is that knowing English is more beneficial on your life than other languages.
That wasn't what I meant, actually. Should I use kana or romaji input?
Well, I can't argue with that.
Google's IME has some issues. It has crashed my skype and in some cases it won't even work (pso2 for example)
You'll fail. I can smell it on you.
Well, I am just saying this, but yeah, you seem like a genuine weeaboo. Living in Japan sucks; the Western man does not take kindly to living like a swarm of insects as Eastern Confucian collectivist societies do. Working a lot and coming home to a cold, unsatisfied wife is as shitty as anywhere else, and of course, watching anime (the kind you watch) is very much looked down upon and your current lifestyle would probably be considered repulsive.
All of the best media in the world is in english (and japanese)
> Living in Japan sucks;
A lot of people disagree with you.
Though English is the most beneficial for you, I'm glad that it wasn't the first language I learned (technically) when growing up. I now speak English as if it were my native language, absolutely no accent except the only thing that's different is I'm naturally able to accurately pronounce words in other languages because the other language I grew up with uses so many of those accents. Though I barely know shit about that other language, I'm glad I was at least able to pick up the accent from it.
You have a largely valid point there except I'm not so sure about about the cold and unsatisfied wife part. Not everything has to be unpleasant. My point, and here comes the massive weaboo part, is moreso that I'd rather live their lifestyle than the one I'm living now. Yes, that includes all the bullshit they put up with.
Why do you wish for more bullshit? I would think you want to be Japanese for real because life is better for them (i.e. less bullshit). You'd wish for a worse life?
I've noticed that people who are bi or tri lingual growing up tend to have smaller vocabularies than monolingual people, which is to be expected. I still think people that know more than one language, regardless of it required effort from them, are more interesting than monolingual people.
But I don't think it'd be a worse life. Their entire way of life is different, and I like theirs more which is why I'd rather live their life, but that, of course, comes with 'their' problems which I can't run away from. But even with their problems, I don't think it would make me more unhappy than being here.
Is the easiest life always the happiest? Is a challenge that bears fruits never worth overcoming when you could have just stayed home? You ask why go and work when you can stay and be provided, the same as you always have? I think you want to view the place as bad, and don't actually have much experience .
Grass is always greener on the other side, huh? Life is what sucks, not the way you live it. So you either learn to love it or hate it.
Yes I agree on every point you made but your first point doesn't apply to me. I am HORRIBLE with my other language. I only know what I picked up as a kid and what I hear around the house. I'm a horrible speaker of my other language but it was technically the first one I learned so naturally I'd have picked up the pronunciation that goes with it. I mean, I am able to hold a conversation with it, but I sound like a broken idiot.
I don't think that was his point. I think he's genuinely saying that life in the west provides more.
I'm indifferent and there's nothing you can do to change me.
Change your mind, please.
- Your Mom
How could you say that? That obviously will vary on circumstance and opinion. For someone who is interested, there is no reason to not go experince. Why someone would insist so reverently on convincing others of their own cyncial suppositions as if they were somewhat based in reality is beyond my grasp. It's just a pessimistic and loser way to view life appreciated by none.
I don't know. Maybe when I finally visit Japan, I hope, I will have come back saying "Although I absolutely loved the trip and would visit again, I'm glad that my home is here in the West" or perhaps I'll cry my eyes out and try to find work there so I can live the rest of my life there.
I started doing core2k for vocab.
As for Kanji, I'm doing the elementary school 1006 kanji deck. Since I barely knew any kanji a few days ago, is this the right approach? Should I find a deck that has less kanji to not get overwhelmed too fast?
What the actual fuck
Well, that's certainly not something you can argue against. It's true that he shouldn't try to force me into his beliefs, but I think he's expressing his opinion to me and trying to convince me out of what I belief because he feels his opinion is right. I don't think he's telling me not to experience my interest as much as he's trying to convince me that's it's not as great as I think.
I feel like many of the characters in the Western section are just furry or half cat/half human characters which doesn't really fit the spirit of a proper "catgirl".
This is cute as fuck. Threads almost dead so post more.
hahaha oh wow
Take your touhou image dump shit to /u/ or /jp/ or something.
>not sleeping on fluffy tails
Can you learn Japanese?
Been studying for about a year, pretty confident in my own skills. I had been reading a fair amount too, actual novels not just really easy shit. Thought I had passed over the hump a while ago. Start producing, my Japanese is fucking awful -- still can't understand spoken Japanese for shit.
I can learn Japanese, but it's going to take a lot longer than I thought it would.
Just realized that that graph says "no nothing". Seems like it was made by a retard, invalidating it completely.
A year and you still can't understand or speak. Fuck. This is going to suck for me.
To be fair, I didn't go at a consistent rate. Probably 3-6 months of that year was spent reading porn in Japanese and not actively improving at all.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONVERSE MODERATELY AFTER A YEAR.
I mean I can speak like a child, but trying to make anything that resembles intelligent sentence structure leads to Nips saying they have no idea what I'm trying to say.
Strap in, it's going to be a long trip.
How many Kanji do you know?
I don't keep track. I learned 1,000 explicitly from a list. I've learned hundreds of others explicitly as well and even more from passive vocab. If I had to guess I'd say between 1500-2200.
Kanji isn't the hard part, it's the vocab and grammar that is.
Speaking is a lot different than writing. I can produce pretty good written stuff but my speaking ability is a notch lower, simply due to not having as much time to think. It's a somewhat separate skill, and one that individual learning tends to lack.
I've gotten to the point where I can express myself for the most part, but listening comprehension is often hard, mostly due to lack of vocabulary. Animu certainly helps getting used to comprehending speech, though. But people in real life are a shitload more mumbly than in the chinese cartoons.
Particularly Japanese men are mumbly as fuck. Women are relatively easier to understand, for me.
When you actually were studying, how long did you spend every day?
Fuck it I'm going to kill myself.
Explicitly studying was probably around 1-3 hours a day I guess. That's not including the reading I'd do for fun.
Not if I keep missing days like this. Second one in a row, jesus christ. Before anyone yells at me, I've been having very busy days and literally *forgot* about it.
Don't take my 'statistics' too seriously. They're only estimates and it varies so much from person to person that they don't really mean anything.
No, I will take them seriously because I think a lot of other people in the thread are in the same boat.
If I was able to go back and give my past self some advice, it'd be this:
1) Consistency is more important than speed, you'll go faster at a slower pace if you can keep it up.
2) Don't just kind-of read the grammar guides, pay the fuck attention and review it a lot.
3) Explicitly practice listening for 30min-1hr a day.
I think following those can help prevent being in the situation that I'm in.
Protip: the "dip" you see in this graph >>100462418 and that you are feeling right now is because that is the point at which you tend to devalue what you've already learned, and instead focus on the things which you've yet to understand.
Do you remember the time in your life when you looked at Chinese, Japanese and, Korean and thought how they were all incomprehensible glyphs and meaningless symbols? Treasure how far you've come, you've already gotten much much further than 90% of people who set out to learn a language.
When learning (exp) such as
Would you learn it as is, or just learn the form it's conjugating from, ie
or would you just do both, and call it a useless grammar refresher?
So I've been trying to translate this vocaloid song (you guys helped me yesterday with the first few lines), and I'm currently working on 0:47-1:07:
Here's what I think the syllables are:
つぎ ゆく ちか いま なに も と せま い まま
とけい いいのかり いるとまわりつずける
And this is what I think the words might be:
次 行く 地下 今 何も と 狭い まま
What do you guys think? I don't really get how those words make a sentence - so I'm guessing I made some mistakes putting together what she's saying.
Also, last time, some anons were able to identify what is being said (in the previous verses) based on the title being called canned sunset, so maybe that'll help this time around.