>2 more weeks until Type-Moon Ace and reveal is finally shown
I really want to be put in a coma for two weeks just so I can stop with this fucking waiting. Also season 4?
Do we have any official art of Ufotable-Shirou smiling?
He always seems so upset.
God tier: Ilya route
Bretty gud tier: UBW anime
Mid tier: Fate/Stay Night remake
Shit tier: HF anime
Being a hero is no easy task
Guys im scared what if it turns out to be average
It'll be better than DEEN's attempt at the very least.
They have KnK and F/Z under their belt and they know F/SN is their true cash cow.
There is no way they could fuck it up as they would lose so much money.
I trust ufotable at this point, they seem to have a solid grasp of Type-Moon.
Shit taste; especially if you think that them making up a route from scratch would really turn out awesome when Nasu said he's not writing it already. It would just be like DEEN's mesh route at worst.
Stop making threads about it every day it just makes the wait longer
That's true, besides, F/SN is one of the most popular VNs out there, and coupled with a good anime, it would literally print money. They wouldn't dare screw this up.
>Shit teir: HF anime
Only Correct thing there
What tier is a 3-season all-the-routes anime?
It would be okay if they turned Ilya into the heroine.
Unlimited God Teir
>Better if Avalon end and Mind of steel ending with Kirei fight regardless of plot
This guy gets it
If they animate HF, it had better be True ending.
I wouldn't mind UBW at all, but I like the ending less because Matou Shinji is still alive
>DEEN's mesh route
No wonder I couldn't watch the anime.
Please stop this. Also, MoS is shit and you have shit taste.
Better to be archer than covered in worms if you ask me
MoS is not Archer, it's Kerry. And there is nothing worse than being Kerry.
Sure there is. You could be, like, Kayneth.
Still better than being Kerry.
Everything besides worms is kerry, heck Kariya is better than kerry and he had Flying Blade Worms
Better than* Fuck my english today
The Deen F/SN was less than average and that sold an average of around 18k. I think we should be okay here
I don't really want it to be all routes, since that would mean HF in like 3 years from now. I'll probably be dead before that
best end indeed
It will have better animation
am i the only one who wants a HF adaption but doubts that it wil be done correctly. HF should be one big ride on the paintrain.
As much as I want HF and I love everything about that route it will be painful to go through if animated as I am pretty sure I will want to die some weeks.
>that rage while reading HF
>all those feels
>Sakura kills shinji
that was the most satisfying thing in all stories i have ever read.
if they plan on doing HF without the sex / rape / psychlogical torture they better dont do it at all.
How do I get into F/S?
Read the VN.
I need an MS paint comic explaining the order to play these in. There's stay night, but there's also réalta nua which is the same thing, I guess, and after that there's one hundred hours worth of animes, spin-off games and a parody anime with a name written IN ALL CAPS WITH STARS.
just read the fucking VN there is nothing else you have to do. everything is there.
Guys I'm reading the HF good ending right now with the true to follow right after.
What the fuck am I supposed to do after this?
>if they plan on doing HF without the sex / rape / psychlogical torture
I don't think they would. The F/Z anime kept that stuff in, didn't it?
Find the a torrent of the VN with the most seeders. That's probably the one you want.
because everthing failed 10 years earlier the 5th holy grail war even happend. F/Z waas doomed the day the VN was written.
For all the grief HF has given me and making me want to either punch my screen, curl up in a ball, or get depressed as fuck Ufotable either has to do all of it or not do it at all.
Hard to say as F/Z did not have much to worry about being cut out. If KnK 3 was censored I would be more worried but seeing how it wasn't gives me faith in HF.
Shirou in general never smiles. Iirc his only smiling cg is from the HF Epilogue.
Stupid question but by "reveal" does that mean it's airing in two weeks or...?
If it is HF I really am excited how they will handle Shirou and Illya in the anime as their relationship makes so much of the story especially with F/Z already being animated and giving the audience the back story.
But KnK wasn't censored because it was a movie, and if F/SN is a tv show, then they'll have to do it.
Once a year Type-moon releases a magazine with upcoming information from the company. They announced in August or July that the route will be revealed in the issue that comes out on the 30th.
Type-moon Ace 2011 was what told about F/Z anime happening.
Man I am reading HF yet again, because there's always something new I catch this time around that I just didn't catch previously. It's pretty much the route I reread the most because I just don't see as many shitty parts that everyone else seems to see.
Like here's something I mentioned in a thread the other day. We see this same CG in every route, there's nothing strange about it right? After all we're used to it by now so how could anything strange be there. Yet wait... didn't Shirou say rather clearly early on that the fire happened at night, then why is the Sun out at such an odd time?
Not quite at least not to the extent you would expect.
It will not be uncensored completly as that is still BD only but depending on the channel it airs determines how much they are allowed to show.
Reason why some fanservice shows may censor breast on one channel but appear uncensored from a different channel.
That's because you see the visual novel in his point of view. He smiles in the anime.
We'll find out what route it is, probably.
This is the third time I'm seeing you with this.
Fuck this thread.
Perhaps it's the moon seen through the haze of red smoke?
It's almost as if he was trying his hardest to push seeing something he couldn't understand out of his mind, and afterwords chose to mistake it with something else in order to stay sane.
illyia is actually the bist girl in HF. unfortunatly she cant be saved. if they want to make HF right illya has to die becasue the route builds around the more realistic aproach of shiros ideals. he can only save one person. he cant protect them all.
I just liked that moment, but there are some other things I've noticed recently as well here.
I liked that in the VN, shows how fucked up he is. Like going on a date and then having ptsd guilt trips.
I meant with regards to Sakura's plot, not in general. Zouken basically told Kariya that she got wormraped.
In HF during an extended dream sequence you suddenly see the truth there about what Shirou saw that day. You think it's just a normal "Shirou remembering the fire" dream like the other routes, but then the scenery becomes twisted and something else becomes clear in that moment.
It's just a nice sort of foreshadowing how they had the "Sun" in one of the first CG's like that as a hint of sorts for a reveal later on. Since they knew no one was going to question that entirely, they would not pay it too much mind until the contradiction reared it's head.
What about Save As?
b-but there is no save option
Well, that's true.
And anyway, other than the sex scenes, I don't remember anything disturbing enough to be heavily censored.
This is my conflict with HF
-Sakura is perfection to me
-Illya is my ideal imouto/musume
Illya is great on so many levels. Her talking to Shirou at night in park after everything went down still gets to me as it is just too surreal. So much about the route is too much to me.
Shoot, now I kind of want to reread the VN, but Fate is just so agonizing to read through.
It's Save ASS, anon.
the sex scenes in fate are pure comedy gold. this shitty wrinting combined withg shirous dense character made me laugh harder than i should.
Incoming new version of saber with the announcement of Fate/Ace Royal, FSN card game.
Card Saber ?
are you me?
i thought she would 100% start to get mad but then this happened. there is no face to express that scene.
What are the chances of it being similar to Katanagatari, so basically twelve or so 50-minute episodes? Not quite to the extent of KnK.
At this point, I don't care what route the adaptation is going to be. Its obvious that it'll have scenes from every route so I can deal with that.
BE THE FUCKING 30th ALREADY AND END MY SUFFERING FROM WAITING!
>The last scene of archer in extra is UBW underwater
I guess you can say he is Drown in ideal
>50 min episodes
>realisticly a quarter of the whole series should be cooking in the kitchen.
pls no... i mean cooking is one of the main pillars of sakuras character, becasue beeing together with shirou was her little heaven after 8-20 years of dayli torture. but i dont know if i could bear that much coking.
Nah, Fate is pretty good on a second play-through. Nasu loves his foreshadowing, the Fire-sun-grail thing that anon keeps spouting is just the tip of the ice-berg.
This would be a scenario but that takes way too long unless that decide to do 2 episodes a month that are 45 minutes long.
Yeah, all the sex scenes are really bad. It makes me wonder if japanese people really get turn on with that.
They're written in the style of some old ass Jap tales, but the mirror moon translation just makes it worse.
Fate's second sex scene is pretty good, though.
well nasu stated he only put in the scenes to boost the sales so it is only natural that they are worse quality wise
Learn to accept it, like the chicken sandwich moments in Ever17
It'll teach you to appreciate a real chicken sandwich
I think he's referring to the Extra end where Archer joins the mc in the core to die, not CCC.
I was out of town for a few weeks when it happened but how did /a/ react when F/Z anime was announced in Ace?
Was there a sticky?
I don't remember Carnival Phantasm getting that much hype until we got closer to the first season.
you know what just simply fuck that. then let there be as much cooking as there needs to be as long as they animate the whole series unchanged i will be happy i gurantee it.
It's such odd phrasing that even after reading it three or more times I'm still a bit sketchy on what he said. Seems like UBW was underwater in the final scene though.
>new version of saber
For God sakes, Type-Moon stop. She's practically fucking RX-78 as of now. Go back to making clones of Sakura.
How about Sakura dressed up like Saber?
That confuses my hug sensors.
Do I want to hug it, like I would with Saber, or do I want to hug it, like I would with Sakura?
no wormsluts allowed
HF would be great, but I doubt they do something in which saber doesn't appear much, the elevens love her too much.
Can't we have another Cu clone we only need one more to start the Holy Lancer War
That one is not that bad compared with the others. I liked tsukihime's sex scenes the most, curry included.
>Not liking Sakura's pet
Evil person detected.
What are the qualifications to be a Cu clone?
Thanks for saying it on our behalf.
But at the same time they love the F/Z anime.
Which route is a better continuation to F/Z?
But like most of us are saying all we can do is speculate as they have given us nothing to make any decisive claims on what route will happen.
Must be able to be summoned as a Lancer and another class like Diarmund being Saber of Lancer or Li Shuwen as Assassin of Lancer
there is no better continuation. they all make sense.
Unless Prisma 2wei airs this spring F/SN won't happen until the fall as there is no way they would ever allow both things to air at the same time.
We do see Li as Lancer briefly in that data books
After it says when summoned as Assassin he'll be summoned in his younger days since that's when he was more inclined in that way, but as Lancer he'll be his older self.
well but if i had to chose... the display of kiritsugus ideals and how he sets them into reality UBW would make the most sense. Shirou wanted to be the superheo but instead of sacrificing the few for the many he wanted to save them all. in UBW he punches that ideal into his heroic spirit.
but on the otherhand saber route also makes sense becasue shirou is the complete opposite of the jung kiritsugu and his ideals match perfectly with sabers.
I was really hoping that ufotable was going to market F/SN as the main work, and not as a sequel for F/Z. If they did that, the route would be up in the air, or it might even be Fate, but since they are marketing it as a sequel, I suppose the best continuation would be HF.
However, HF does shirk a lot on Saber's end and her whole ideals of ruling, which was a rather big deal in F/Z, so it'll be interesting how they deal with that if they choose HF which I hope they won't because I want a happy ending for the cutest servant.
Obviously the solution is to hug twice as hard.
Cu can fill up three classes just summon three different versions of him
Prototype is Berserker of Lancer
Extra is Lancer of Lancer
Stay Night is Caster of Lancer
Achilles is Rider of Lancer
You think it will beat F/Z's average?
HF does have the greatest connection to the past in all areas aside from Saber's section, but they can always make a Last Episode epilogue for her and Archer here.
but if they don't make HF the display of the angry manjew and the tainted core would be wasted. HF is the only route that ends the holy grail war forever if memory serves right.
So, how excited are you guys for AOTY?
Urobuchi's Vlad Tepes or Nasu's version of Vlad Tepes
Who had the character more accurate or interesting in truth. Both had about the same core but kept to different approaches here, so what about the result itself?
Without a doubt
They have the established Fate fans and they have the ones they grabbed from the F/Z anime.
>He smiles in the anime.
And it was pointed out in the VN that he doesn't in do so in the VN.
Achilles wasn't particularly famous for using lances though. It was his armor that was of repute, as well as his bitchfits. Cu fits in well with the Rider class too. He's done some crazy shit in his chariot.
Medusa isn't particularly famous for riding a Pegasus either, yet here we are.
The most excited I have been in my life
I have been waiting years hoping for a miracle to happen that ufotable would get it even though people keep saying there is now way DEEN would give it up.
Im not sure how I will feel after it is over.
In Apocrypha Achilles can be a Lancer because his NP is a javelin that breaks armor
You could make the argument that she's the mother of Pegasus at least.
why the fuck are they even marketing it as a sequel of F/Z. with this they are just riding the cash train and limit themselfs. i mean F/Z is the produkt of all information given in the Vn yet the display of it wakes more expectations for the unsolved conflicts of F/Z like angry manjew and saber.
True, I agree that HF does have the best connection. But having a LE OVA just thrown in there seems a bit cheap because it doesn't elaborate on her actual struggles and development.
I think UBW true has Rin and Waver going and dismantling the HGW, right? And I'm pretty sure all the routes mention that it was tainted at some point, but only HF really elaborates upon it.
If they don't screw it up, definitely. It's Fate so at best projection, it'll blow everything out of the water.
I really don't like responding to several posts at once, but this captcha is super annoying.
Will it be two cour or one cour?
Because I don't see how they can fit the route in either. It is too big for one cour and two small for two cour.
>why the fuck are they even marketing it as a sequel of F/Z. with this they are just riding the cash train
Why did you answer your own question
>I think UBW true has Rin and Waver going and dismantling the HGW, right?
This happens in all the endings. (except HF)
I like the first of Sakura, the one in which she practically rapes Shirou.
The Rin scene is great too, at least in a comical way.
to point ot the stupidity without looking like and idiot who cant get the most obvious shit.
No Taiga, no hype.
Sakura is cute and waifu material and all. Too bad the way she's portrayed in Heaven's Feel is awful.
>call it a sequel so they only have to do fate route
>if you slobs are lucky, UBW and HF movies later
b-based ufo table...
>cute and waifu material
a introverted girl which never speaks with anyone and never smiles. keep dreaming.
more Kerry filler
It'd be cute, but Archer didn't chase after Saber ceaselessly.
HF is what pushed her to be my waifu.
What about just more Archer Saber interaction in general?
what if Ufotable pulls a fast one and it turns out to be the F/HA anime
He's mostly just going to annoy the crap out of her.
It's not that they don't get along, but that both have issues that really cause friction. It's more in UBW at the end where they get along at all and they're still enemies for the most part.
how? i mean iam not one of those purity faggots and i dont care at all, but i simply cant like her characterand liking her out of pity what happened to her is like shit.
yes she has some moments that pushed her character and gaver more depth, but i think she is far from being wifu material at all.
The best Archer Saber interaction in F/SN is when Saber realizes who he is and also when she has to stand to the side and not intervene with Shirou and Archer fighting.
That was great as she could have easily stepped in but she realized herself she has no right to intervene with the battle between themselves no matter how badly she wanted to.
Pretty much. Though her wonder at Archer coming back and saving Rin at the end is neat, too.
Cu could be an archer too. The whole reason he got to fight an entire invading army in 1v1 battles was because he'd stand on a cliff overlooking their camp and kill a couple hundred of them every night with his sling. They were so demoralized that they agreed to one on one battles in exchange for Cu not attacking at night.
Anon with weird filenames?
Indeed. He could serve as any class he wanted with a good level of proficiency, except for Caster and Assassin.
At your service, anon.
Nah, Caster too. He's a master magi since he trained under the witch Scathchfkjghfh something. His runic magic is pretty incredible, he's got an A-rank shield for example that he pulls out in HF.
I'm done now and I feel nothing inside.
I could write a long and multiple posts describing Sakura and why I feel this but the simplest way I can sum it up is.
Sakura is Sakura not matter what.
>HF good ending
He means Sparks Liner High.
What? Archer is the one with the Rho Aias, and Lancer trained in martial arts and use of the Gae Bolg under Scathach, and everyone in old Celtic tales knew how to use Ogham. As far as runes go, they aren't very powerful in comparison to something like Medea's magic, so with relatively weak magic, and gimped physical stats, you couldn't expect much from him as a Caster.
Fun fact: Sparks Liner High is the only "End" in F/SN.
It completely lacks the Good, Bad, Normal, True, or Dead quantifiers.
No he meant Femme Fatale.
I've been avoiding HA since I'm waiting for the translation. But I ended up seeing the ice shaving machine scene on youtube.
My heart nearly couldn't take it.
Maybe Nasu secretly likes Saber after all.
In F/HA it is mentioned that he is fit for Caster. He is actually proud of this fact, too.
His runes are weaker in the Lancer class, but here's from his CM profile.
>In addition, as depicted in legend, he himself learned magecraft (18 Original Runes) in the "Land of Shadows", taking pride in having the skill and knowledge to qualify for Caster class. Even in a scene of the story, he sees through the presence of Medusa's Blood Fort Andromeda at a glance, considers the situation, and makes the decision not to destroy it. Cú Chulainn is not just a reckless warrior.
And the shield is in HF and it gets busted by the Shadow, but it's still an A-rank shield.
if I recall correctly , UBW takes a massive amount of prana to recreate shields and in an inferior form to the original, no?
The only classes he's said to fit under so far are Caster, Lancer, and Berserker.
He's actually stated to be a top notch magus in a way, but he hates not going hand to hand.
Cuchulainn would be awesome as Berserker, but he'd probably have Mad Enhancement A+++/EX and the Master would have to immediately burn a command seal to not die because he cannot distinguish friend from foe.
Since the warp spasm is far more crazy than your average hero's blood rage.
Everything is a bit inferior, the shields don't get any further quality penalties.
But they do get an increased cost.
Not that bad. Just ride around in a fire truck and you should be fine.
Only 75% has been validated though
>I CAST MAGIC ARROW
>Gay Bulge thrown version
The Runes are actually stated to be pretty damn powerful
There's a rune that can find anything
One that can burn things
One that can prevent both parties from running from a fight
One that can revive him once per battle in combat.
One that can raise his attack power to A rank
and still a host of them that have weird and different abilities. They aren't mere trinkets even according to the dialogue.
There's actually two to burn things, Ansuz and Sowilo.
I guess celts and norsemen liked fire.
But Shirou Kotomine isn't Shirou Emiya, Shirou K is Kirei's oniisan.
The "no retreat" and the "power up to A" are the same iirc, and they're not one rune but four.
>"The first warp-spasm seized Cúchulainn, and made him into a monstrous thing, hideous and shapeless, unheard of. His shanks and his joints, every knuckle and angle and organ from head to foot, shook like a tree in the flood or a reed in the stream. His body made a furious twist inside his skin, so that his feet and shins switched to the rear and his heels and calves switched to the front… On his head the temple-sinews stretched to the nape of his neck, each mighty, immense, measureless knob as big as the head of a month-old child… he sucked one eye so deep into his head that a wild crane couldn't probe it onto his cheek out of the depths of his skull; the other eye fell out along his cheek. His mouth weirdly distorted: his cheek peeled back from his jaws until the gullet appeared, his lungs and his liver flapped in his mouth and throat, his lower jaw struck the upper a lion-killing blow, and fiery flakes large as a ram's fleece reached his mouth from his throat… The hair of his head twisted like the tange of a red thornbush stuck in a gap; if a royal apple tree with all its kingly fruit were shaken above him, scarce an apple would reach the ground but each would be spiked on a bristle of his hair as it stood up on his scalp with rage. ”
still waiting for a drawfag to depict this, I am surprised no one has yet
Doujin was written before reveal
>HEY KIDS YOU WANT A RED MAN CLONE?
>HERE HAVE SHIROU AND A KOTOMINE CLONE AT THE SAME TIME
If Seiba is RX-78, that makes Jeanne more or less Strike/Freedom Gundam, Mordred is Aegis/Justice and Shirou Kotomine a Rau, after all SHIROU IS THE RED MAN
closest I've seen
I think its furry Cu would be berserker
What mobile series would the Shikis be?
Clearly labelled Lancer, unlikely.
But his feet arnt backwords, he doesn have one eye sucked into his skull and the other hanging out, he doesnt have a skeletal grimace, he doesnt have super DBZ razor hair, he doesnt have hulk muscle, and his lungs liver arnt hanging from outta his mouth
He does have the horrible black blood mist which comes a few lines later in the Tain.
Sounds like the stuff of nightmares.
Supposedly, 100 men died of horror after seeing that.
>nigga be mad
>throw nigga in a huge kettle full of water
>kettle explodes as water boils over
Note to self, don't make Lancer angry.
They managed to get him in there by getting a bunch of ladies to go nude, so it can't be that bad.
Even worse, I don't have a bunch of naked ladies at hand in case he gets mad.
So Cu had a literal RAGE BONER?
What would be considered the anons who have read the Tain consider to be the best English translation?
Just make Bazette and Caren show their tits.
After that, it's back to dog house and more beating for the mongrel.
If Lancer in Extra ever went warp spasm, and it was up to Rin to strip so they could calm him down, would she take the stockings off or not?
The casting takes about as much prana as a single use of Excalibur.
So is Cu the strongest Berserker?
He is certainly the depicted as the craziest.
Does a heroes fame also decide the strenght of his class?
If some hero is more well know for being a berserker, does that increase the stats they get?
scratch this. I thought you typed UBW itself, not Rho Aias or the other shileds. I need sleep.
Caren has a conceptual weapon that she can use to keep him under wraps. Literally.
Would Saber Alter be the part of the Psycho Gundam series?
For Rho Aias?
I highly doubt it. Shirou without any prana support, with the arm could do a 4 petal, Archer pulls one off twice in UBW without having a prana source to draw from, Shirou could make a full one with Rin's support etc.
In Extra(not really good evidence but whatever) it's still cheaper than a Caladbolg.
She'll be more of Titans color
I think the class decides their base stats and which noble phantasms they have access to.
Cu definitely has the craziest dedicated-berserker NP, though I think that Lancelot is really much more practical.
Ah, okay. Ignore>>100457435 then.
I think it's a bit less, but it's probably in the same cost range.
The stats get a boost depending on location and how well known the hero is amongst the populace, an example being Lancer of Black.
Lancer strikes me as an ass man, having them bend over and touch their toes would be more effective
Cu would be broken in Ireland because he gets all the NP that is restricted there like his castle NP
But the psyco Gundams are already in Titan colors of Black and Red.
so basically Heracles a shit?
Saiba, Queen of Shit.
Bahsakah Heracles a shit.
Why not a Titan Colored RX78?
This gives me an idea, imagine a fate spinoff, where the only grail war is fought by 7 of the same class.
so one would be 7 casters, the next 7 berserkers, etc.
Would be interesting to see who is the strongest of their respective class.
The Assassin Grail war would be some tom clancy shit, with Hassan v Hassan v Hassan v....
Lancer war Elizabeth wins because her luck allows her to survive Gae Bolg spam
>they all die in accidents
The Archer war would be crazy. Robin being his optimal guerilla fighter asshole self, EMIYA plotting and backstabbing left and right, Gil being Gil, Chiron with his insane stats and clairvoyance...
Poor Atalanta would be quite outmatched.
But Elizabeth is the only lancer with rank B luck and Karna is fucking hard to kill because of armor
>ends up being a pie-eating contest
Rider War only Achilles and Iskander are left because they have better stats and Achilles can't be harmed without divinity higher than him
whoever gets Berserker and is not Ilya is basically screwed.
so nothing changes at all
It's more like whoever gets a Berserker and isn't special snowflake is screwed.
Being Kariya is suffering anyway.
>Being Kariya is suffering anyway.
He basically brought it upon himself.
Dont forget this would also include heroes that qualify for the class, even if they werent included in other works.
Archer Herakles would wreck them all.
>wanting to save his niece from being worm bait
>brought it upon himself
Chiron and Gil at the least could match Herakles.
Atlanta doesn't have her time to shine yet, well inb4 Shirou offs her anyway.
One master cheats to summon an assassin that doesn't suck, and the rest is history.
>Run away from your family because of EVIL
>Don't bother to learn magecraft in any way despite having potential
>Come back begging the EVIL head to give you a quick fix to practice magic
>Endure pain from worms fucking you up due to a false sense of heroism/sacrifice
>Want to win the war to save niece
>Too blinded by irrational hatred of Tokiomi to sit down and have a talk with his family to work it out
>Don't actually do much to win war except try to fuck over Tokiomi
>Act indignant when his wife blames you for having a hand in tearing her family apart
>Want to win the war to save niece
>Too stupid to come up with any plans and gets manipulated
>Makes life difficult for all of the real heroes of the 4th war
Kariya had good intentions, but he went full retard. He deserved what he got.
Go to bed, Tokiomi.
Who killed Chiron in myth, again? With what?
That's what I thought.
Is Heaven's Feel not the route..?
That's the question, isn't it?
It's not confirmed.
I actually think that ufotable would be able to pull off an original route fairly well. After seeing the extremely well done Kiritsugu flashback in Fate/Zero, I have far more faith in them with that aspect than I do for any other studio. Those two episodes were better than the content that they adapted from the novel.
Was anyone else hoping for a Heart of Freaks OVA?
ufotable please make a Tsukihime anime kthx
would you trust 90s Gainax to make an F/SN anime?
Once the fate well runs dry they might as well.
Tsukihime rework will come out this decade probably, so after that.
AFTER THE REMAKE
So I just finished the Fate route and am now on day 4 of UBW. It was good enough for me to sink a little over 30 hours into it so far, but it gets better right? The redone berserker fight was pretty neat but I don't feel I have the energy for another Fate.
no, how could they make an adaption of something that doesn't exit yet?
Yes, Fate is by far the worst route.
All the routes are different. UBW has more action and Shirou is a more competent and active protagonist, so many people say it's better. There's generally less focus on romance.
HF is when it reaches its true climax, keep reading.
It's not going to be "Another Fate", the routes all branch off entirely after a certain point
HF is the one that breaks the scenario the most with half the cast being killed off in the first couple days by Cthulhu, but UBW is going to be miles away from Fate very soon.
I don't remember anyone's face being punched off in Fate.
could definitely have done with some more face punching off.
UBW is not a redone version of Fate route with a different main girl, rather the development is split between all three routes and Butterfly Effect causes shit to veer off course very fast.
Thanks, I was afraid you guys would try to Nagisa dies me so I didn't want to post but I'm glad I did. I'll get started on UBW again right now. Good to know they aren't just slightly different routes with a focus on the "next girl"
Well the real twists are in the next two routes for sure, after all the first route may be bad in a few ways but it's primarily an introduction to the series. It lays down the concepts so it doesn't have to explain them twice, and gives you a feeling for the story. The next route takes what you know and develops this, it asks "How much did you really know this character" as the answers will turn more as time goes on. The final route will take what you know from the previous two routes, and it'll break it. It's a route that's dependent upon you knowing what you know up until that point, because the entire scenario in some ways will be flipped around on you as you finally know the truth of it all.
UBW and Fate are flipsides of the same coin, yes, but UBW builds on what Fate laid down.
HF is completely different, for better or worse.
In every end.
Understanding of the faults
I don't. ufotable has shown time and time again with F/Z that they can't seem to do a good animated adaption. What I mean is that they don't know how to fully use the medium's strength to their benefit so we get shit like talking heads and Kiritsugu's extended backstory that shafted the Lancelot/Gilgamesh parts of the ending, which seemed very rushed overall.
Damn, I'm excited now.
Thanks for reminding me not to mouse over spoilers on instinct.
The only issue with HF for me is that I just don't give a fuck about Sakura. Normally I like the whole "Value a single person more than anything else" trait, but in HF it just doesn't click.
>tfw when Shinji doesnt die in every end
Fuck you Rin you massive bitch, you leave Sakura for a decade but risk your life to save Shinji of all people?
I don't think even Shinji deserves to be the corrupted vessel of all that is evil in the world.
He deserves to die in it though.
Didn't he died when BAHSAKA squished him into a pulp after Rider got excaliblasted?
Although I want Shirou to punch him in UBW after the little shits he pulled off.
He dies in 4 of the 5 endings.
3 wasn't it?
He lives in the two UBW endings, anon.
Was killed by Ilya and Berserker in Fate route, saved by Tohsaka in UBW, and was mistakenly killed by Sakura in HF.
He should have died in all of them though. Felt so satisfying murdering his ass in extra.
A Shinji route could have been cool. Having Shirou find about the Matou line and shit for some drama.
Extra Shinji is not Matou Shinji, Extra Shinji is just an eight year old hacker who pretended to be an adult while thinking this was all a giant Halo game or something, and the kid is a bro in CCC since he starts out knowing the truth about the world this time.
Even Archer admits that Extra Shinji is actually a good person unlike other Shinji, but people tend to be assholes over the internet when they think it's just a game.
>Shirou discovers rape dungeon
>Gets comforted by Issei
>It was really his route all along
That wasn't Shinji, though. And he was kind of a bro in CCC.
CCC is never gonna be localised and even if he was technically a different guy it still felt good.
You know what? No complaints from me.
In CCC you're up against a boss who's Lv999 by due to various cheats which basically make her invincible. She's taken down a few of your friends already, and the bitch seems to be unstoppable. Shinji goads her into absorbing him as well due to his knowledge or something, or maybe just attacking him. Though he had already implanted a virus into himself before that which made him Lv -999 if I recall. Basically the invincible boss is brought down to Lv1 once again, now he's lying on the floor still dying as he has one final speech with you, and the guy did it all for you so you could at least survive here since you were the only one who has ever cried for him before back during Extra when he was dying. He still remembered that moment in the end when you actually had empathy for him which was more than he ever got at home since he's a sperm sample child who has some other circumstances going on there. He's still haughty at times like a kid trying to say "Look, I've finally grown up" which makes it all the more apparent he's a kid, but unlike Matou Shinji he really doesn't have a bad heart underneath it. Seems like Nasu was able to use a few concepts that weren't able to make it into original Fate in CCC, and teaming up with Shinji was one of those original ideals, along with Rin being a villain if I recall. Even though she was only an enemy here for a short bit.
I couldn't accept the UBW endings once I got through HF, because Sakura is still stuck with the Matous.
It's normal that I want to kill every Matou that isn't Sakura, right?
Zouken did nothing wrong!
Yeah. Ever since I finished HF I can't read anything about Rin without remembering that she just left Sakura in there. She went from alright for a tsundere to shit tier for me.
>she just left Sakura in there
Way to misunderstand.
She just didn't know, there was even a scene in UBW where she asks Shirou if a child who was adopted could be happy living away from family.
Her reasoning for not saving her is because she thinks that anything is better then not being an official magus. Rin is a gigantic thundercunt.
She confirms in HF that she knew that something was up, but she never cared enough to investigate. Nothing could be happening to her thats worse then not being a magus, right?
>Have fun in London
No, she worries a fuck ton about how Sakura is, but she doesn't know anything and she has no power to do anything even if she did know.
To be fair, Zouken is still in Sakura's heart in UBW and Fate
Doesn't mean it's any less terrible, but I'm not sure if they could have done anything at that point.
Sakura dies in HF normal, doesn't she
She dies of old age, waiting for someone who will never return.
>Sakura dies in HF normal
I still prefer Fate's ending.
Fuck the old families and their bullshit, it's time for superheroics!
>and she has no power to do anything even if she did know.
Part of HF is her realizing "If it was this easy to break that promise then I really should have just done it earlier.." when she first goes to the Matou mansion. Really she admits the promise was worthless, and they couldn't do anything to stop her either. It's just that she was too awkward about it to know how to approach Sakura again.
I don't think my heart could handle that
>I wonder if I should acknowledge that my sister exists
>Nah fuck it
Its one of the times possessed Sakura is bitching at her. She didn't think it was as bad as it was, but she knew that something was happening in that house to make her unhappy. But she ignored it because lol maguspride.
It's far more painful than it sounds, if that's any solace here
Most powerful ending in the game most likely
Did she even ask?
>Hey, Sakura, how's life?
>Are you being brutally eaten or raped or anything?
She can't legally take away Sakura, she can't do anything about the crest worms, if she tried to reconnect with Sakura there would be nothing she could do if Zouken did not approve.
What happened to Shirou really made the last three days of the game in some ways.
The police don't even exist in nasuverse and she could find ample allies to take out Zouken considering that he's practically a dead apostle, Zouken couldn't do shit if the church went after him. Besides, the real sticking point of 'is Rin a bitch' is that she never even cared enough about Sakura to investigate what was making her incredibly depressed for a decade. Not once did she give more then a passing thought to how well Sakura was actually doing, otherwise she would have discovered that she was being abused.
It's not like she tried.
If she even tried and failed to make Sakura's life better that would have been enough to make her likable, but she gave exactly nothing of a shit about her sister.
Zouken is not indulging in forbidden research, the Church has no reason to go after him since he's a part of the Mage's Association.
And Rin didn't notice she was being abused? What about Taiga, Shirou and the rest of the fucking world?
And you're completely ignoring the fact that Rin had her own shit going on, too. Dead father, insane mother, Kotomine for a guardian...
Yes, a high schooler is supposed to fix everything.
>That last image
Kotomine says something along the lines of him being an abomination in HF, and that the only reason he's still around is because the local church agent is YUETSU YUETSU. Sakura is only happy around Shirou so he wouldn't notice past Shinji being a dick, and the rest of the world doesn't care enough about Sakura. And Rin saw her all the time at school, she definitely had many, many opportunities to check things out.
Saber waited, pic related.
>Yep, a high school is supposed to fix everything.
Its a fucking VN, high schoolers are the only ones that can fix everything.
The whole point of HF is that Shirou and Rin both suspected Sakura was being abused and they pretended everything was fine for the sake of their masks and borrowed ideals.
The fact the route tears an asshole on their constructed selves so nicely is as punishment for their self delusion. It's not easy, obviously. I don't necessarily blame them because it was a very human defense mechanism but I also understand Sakura blowing out on them for acting that way.
And she's the only one who has the responsibility to check it out, then?
And as you say, Sakura is happy with Shirou as Rin could see.
Rin married someone else.
Can you seriously use the only a high schooler when she's a powerful mage and a part of a war for the Holy Grail?
I mean what could Zouken do if Sakura and Rin tried to fight him?
Kill Sakura with the worm he stuck in her
Kotomine hates Zouken though. He has a good reason to go against him if Rin whines.
Key word is only happy with Shirou. Rin tells Shirou that when he's not around Sakura is depressed as fuck. And out of all the people who had the responsibility to check it out Rin is at the top of the list, being not only her older sister but also the only one who knew that the Matous where magi.
But he likes Sakura and Rins suffering more.
As expected of a reasonable individual. Sakura, as the designated perfect waifu can't tarnish herself with loving another man.
Shirou is spinning in his grave under a thousand tons of rock, mourning the meaninglessness of his death.
Zouken is an old ass fucking magi in the center of his territory. If Rin tried to confront him, she would never find him.
Could Kotomine remove the entire worm? From memory in HF it was only partial but I can't remember why.
Fate/Zero adaptation makes things awkward with the Rin filler. If they adapt HF, Rin WILL appear like a cunt because she went against her parents' orders, endangered herself for the sake of a nobody yet she ignored her sister.
In the novel, her massive and crushing failure with her friend is what keeps her from trying impossible shit again and to obey her parents. Now there's no fucking excuse. They also damaged Sakura to an extent too but it's worse for Rin's case, because Sakura was mindbroken.
It would be like tearing out 4/10ths of her nerves to rip out the entire worm, since it melded and fused with her blood vessels and some other stuff in her body.
She'd die of shock long before they got the entire thing out.
He likes suffering in general. He wouldn't say no to Zouken's suffering. Besides watching Rin twist in guilt for her ignorance is also joyous.
Secondly Sakura wasn't 'suffering' until Shirou appeared, because she hid herself in a hopeless wall of nothingness. Zouken couldn't do shit anymore to make her suffer and he tried, she just ignored him.
Being discovered and given hope to salvation WOULD make her suffer.
If you read F/SN before F/Z (which you should) there never was an excuse in the first place. Im 100% convinced that that was only put in there because Nasu wanted to give Rin a reason to not help Sakura after he realised what a bitch she was.
I've been wondering why Rin never tells Shirou about Sakura being a magus in Fate and UBW. She knows that Shinji has no Magic Circuit, and that's the reason the Matou's took Sakura, but she hides it for both routes despite Shinji being Rider's master
He'll want to control the dark grail for angra mainyu's birth since he wants to learn the answer of his existence. Best chance he has is to get the rid of zouken and become sakura's tutor. That's what happens in HF.
It was only after she embraced Shadow and could rip out her own heart (She still felt that entirely, but she could take a bit of pain by that point if having that many legendary souls in her at once didn't cause her own soul to become muddled or die. It's mainly that as Dark Sakura she had all the regeneration power but could still feel it like Wolverine.) to be able to rip out her own nerves and pull him out.
So if Kotomine would gladly help if Rin whined, then it just adds more weight to the failure of Rin to do literally anything about her sister.
Because if she tells Shirou then he will check it out and discover the hell that Sakura is in. Rin wouldn't go out of her way to help Sakura.
She wanted to keep Sakura out of that, and she wanted to keep Sakura's secret as well. There are some things more previous than winning, and for someone like Rin who did still wish to respect her sister on some level she left it alone.
Although she did check Sakura for a command spell as soon as the war started, but by that point Sakura had already given it to Shinji.
Of course I've read it, but I'm talking about anime adaptations. FSN ufotable WILL continue of FZ and Rin's characterization would be destroyed thanks to their portrayal in Zero no matter what they do.
Likewise, hopelessly raped and chained Sakura learned nobody should disobey Zouken by the image of Kariya's death "burned" in her mind.
The traumas are important for their characterization.
>Ignoring her silent please for help
>He wouldn't say no to Zouken's suffering
Wouldn't removing Sakura be the worst thing for Zouken?
She's his only hope for a Matou heir who isn't absoulute shit
If it's any consolation, even if Ufotable had put in Rins scene everyone should have come to the conclusion that Rins a bitch anyway.
So how bad things will go for everyone if Zouken lets Sakura participate in HGW from the start since Shinji a shit.
So does everyone know that Zouken's a vampire, or is everyone retarded?
>there are people that killed themselves while waiting for a real F/SN anime
Here's the route that I'm taking:
>Fate/Stay Night Realta Nua Patch 9 VN
>Kagetsu Tohya VN
>Melty Blood ENG Game
>Carnival Phantasm Anime
>Kara No Kyoukai Anime
>Fate/Extra CCC Gane in Moonrunes
>Av a giggle at: Unlimited Blade Works, DEEN/Stay Night, Battle Moon Wars
>Fate/Hollow Ataraxia VN
>F/SN 2014 Anime [Pending Reviews]
>Fate/Apocrypha [Pending Reviews]
For the Nasu-verse. Omit anything without Fate in the name for the Fate-verse (Minus Battle Moon Wars and Carnival Phantasm)
We never do find out how strong Rider actually is do we? Theres just a little bit of her sparring Saber Alter.
He isn't a vampire and people attuned enough can sense he's a fucked up existence.
Sakura was the key for Kotomine's wish when he realized she was a grail far more compatible than Ilya. If Kotomine studies her closely, he would prefer to gain control of her. His objective in HF was to keep Zouken from influencing and fucking up with the Grail.
Also pre Shirou Sakura is a dull-eyed empty girl with clear issues. He's far better than Zouken with subtle manipulation and would twist her against Rin for laughs.
Can we please just get another season of Carnival Phantasm?
Sakura doesn't want to participate.
Do you mean all 3 Melty Bloods in that Melty Blood ENG game?
>Achilles wasn't particularly famous for using lances though
He used a spear, that was his weapon.
He is famed for being practically unkillable and the greatest warrior in greek mythology.
Like it would be hard to twist Sakura against Rin. Just tell her that Rin ignored her because lelmaguspride (Which is true, and a conclusion that Sakura comes to herself in HF).
Isn't he functionally a vampire though, or does the Church only care about true vampires?
Why does Zouken give a shit can't he just turn her into the Shadow and I thought she stopped trying to fight him?
Would she really say no if Zouken said, fight in the war or you'll die as fuck face before you did?
I played AC in full Moonrunes back in the day so RA and AA for me.
How come Rin never detects that Shirou is a magus or the rape dungeon under the Matou house or the rape dungeon under the church if shes supposed to be the Magi caretaker of the city and be on top of shit like that?
The Church hates everything.
But Zouken is completely fine according to the mage's association.
Only if Sakura gets some screentime, for fuck's sake.
He'll just end up stabbing himself.
She's fresh out of her own training, has school and her continued education into magic to worry about.
Shirou doesn't count as a magi when his circuits are still dormant.
And the rape dungeon is under the Matou house, which is obviously going to be magical AND is another magi's territory.
Being the Second Owner means shit when it's another old family.
Hes functionally a dead apostle, but not a DAA so the church would take care of him but they wouldn't ever detect it since Kotomine won't report him. And from memory the reason Zouken let Shinji fight instead of Sakura is because Sakura wasn't ready to be the grail yet.
I'm thinking of Kotomine grabbing Sakura while she's still young and training her as Exorcist because her capabilities are more in tune with that while he waits for the Grail to fill.
I just want more Assassin, Saber Alter and Arcueid.
But Shirou still does magic in his shed and doesn't even try to hide it.
>Why does Zouken give a shit can't he just turn her into the Shadow and I thought she stopped trying to fight him?
Because he couldn't UNTIL he discovered her weak point: Shirou. He needed to find an emotional weakness to control her. Sakura had none until Shirou appeared.
Assassin or Fake Assassin? Cause FA was one of the best parts of the show. Him being a cutout in the op kills me every time.
What happens in Fate/UBW that keeps Sakura from collecting the Servants? IIRC, the first one she grabs in HF is Lancer, but that only happened because of true Assassin. So I guess a better question would be why didn't true Assassin show up in Fate/UBW?
>Sakura wasn't ready to be the grail yet.
That makes sense, but why enter the fifth war at all?
Is he obliged? Why not hold off until the sixth; he didn't know the Fifth would be the last, did he.
Also more alternative Holy Grail Wars.
Wasn't it because Zouken didn't try to become a master? I couldn't tell you why he does in HF and not UBW though.
I hope that is not the order you willing reading/watching/playing the nasuverse works in.
The fifth happened after a 10 year interval while the rest where supposed to be something like 50 years, so Zouken thinking that something was up isn't too much of a stretch. Although I think the actual answer is he let Shinji enter because he wanted to and Zouken doesn't care if he dies or not.
>A whole segment dedicated to Sakura
>Its the worst part of the whole show
10/10 would rage again
Phantasmoon was the worst part of the show.
It's more of a Rider/Sakurabuse section.
The best part was when she was stalking Shirou and that was still less about her.
Not him, but it seems mostly fine to me. I'd put Tsukihime and KT before the fates, and completely remove deen shit but other then that.
You know what, it could be Shirou meeting Zouken after walking Sakura home on the night of the first day. That, and the extra interaction with Sakura in the first three days that lets you into HF.
Yes it is, I asked and /a/ hashed it out as a good order to go through them in.
>you'll never see Sakura being supported by BB, Meltlilith and Passionlip trying to win Shirou only to be stomped out by Seiba clones.
I'll Marble Phantasm YOUR heart next time, motherfucker
Because read the VN, chucklefuck.
The shirou/zouken meeting is probably it then. That makes Zouken more interested, which makes it tougher on Sakura, something something Assassin and angry manjew.
I wasn't ready.
I loved the fact that the director hated Sakura so much he cut her out of some of the scenes.
Who else is getting this?
Fate/Kids again, huh?
Just finished watching UBW.
I'm thinking about it. 9500 is a lot of yens.
Why did Shirou dye his hair? How'd Saber get so tall? Why is her left breast so much higher/perkier than the right one? Did she get half a breast-job?
I fucking hate that movie. Dropping key scenes, modifying stuff for no reason, choosing worse scenes in general...
And half the action scenes are QUALITY or just plain wrong.
And now we'll never get a proper UBW vs. GoB danmaku fight.
If it's any consolation, maybe we'll get HF.
And then this can be Sakura's spirit animal.
Is this really both games?
Saber: Arturia (Alter)
Saber: Arturia (Lily)
Saber: Arturia (Lion)
Saber: Arturia (Sakura)
Gilgamesh has a heart attack, Mordred throws a bitchfit over how shitty her Noble Phantasms and Personal Skills are.
Yes, its both games.
i actually want to see this in an image.
You could replace Saber Sakura with Jeanne and Saber Lily/Lion with Okita Nozomi if you wanted to.
Dont forget mystery girl x or whatever the fuck her name is.
But anon, Mysterious Heroine X isn't a Saber-class servant. She's just a mysterious heroine on a noble quest to defeat the tyrant queens of the Type-Moon popularity poll.
Did those games ever get translated?
Dude, that is Saber and everyone knows that.
What are you on about? Saber doesn't wear a cap, none of them do. That's mysterious heroine X
What are you talking about? Mysterious Heroine X wears a baseball cap, a scarf and running clothes.
Have you ever seen Saber wearing a baseball cap and a scarf before? I doubt it. So there's absolutely no way they could be the exact same person.
These kids are at least a head shorter than her and she jumped when she took the ball on her chest, so her breasts went up naturally.
Listen, if you don't want to get called out for making unfounded accusations regarding the secret identity of mysterious holy-sword wielding heroines with mysteriously large appetites, you'd better start checking your facts first.
What's to be called out on? Even the other characters in the game don't buy that bullshit but decide to go with it.
But seriously, are those aprils fools things in english.
Dude, just give it up. X doesn't look anything like any of the 1000 saber clones, all you have is conjecture.
Yes, yes, you keep telling yourself that until you believe that. Epic mehmei, anon.
>D-do I fit in yet /a/-kun?
The last thing I wanna do is to fit in into this garbage community
Wait when is this shield mentioned in HF?
I remember him getting rekt by the True Assassin shadow combo but I don't remember any shield being pulled out. Is it a variation of his runes or something?
What is Shiki doing there?
You could just stab his Heel.
>replacing Saber (Lion)
Replace lion if you want a serious war, lily if you don't.
I mean what?
Saber Lion is just going to wreck everyone anyway.
That comic is so sweet and showcases a good look at Sakura before she got comfortable with Shirou, really kuu with minimal dere.
Hope ufotable shows those flashacks well. It'll show people how their relationship got to her being absolutely dere with him.
holy shit at dat picture
Carnival Zero when?
He prepares a shield that 'could stop the strongest of nobel phantasms' when he jumps over the lake at true assassin (which would probably have protected him from the arm.)
But then the shadow jumps out of the water and breaks it, leaving Cu open for Zanibya
the one with the twelve months was
What is really adorable is the dialogue. Let me see if my mediocre Japanese can parse it:
Shirou: That smells good. I'd sure love to have one.
Sakura: W-what a relief. There is one left. You want to eat?
Shirou: Eh, sorry. Didn't know you had so little.
Sakura: I had a lot, so it's okay.
By the looks of it, its probably Sakura cooking sweet potatoes (the whole baking them by burning leaves in fall the Japanese do). Sakura loves sweet things, so that is a good guess I think.
It's going to be Girls' Work.
Or Illya's route
Still pessimistic. I need to know if it's all 3 routes and if it's at least 50 episodes. If so I'm probably die before I can even see it due to a heart attack.
Same reason the Tohsaka never noticed Zouken snatching people bodies for decades, as long as you keep quiet, you can get away with anything, which makes the whole thing Rin went on about heretic magi a part of why she is still naive.
If magi allow toddler with magical talent to be swept up and put in formalin for parts by the Association because they don't have a family's protection, then all a 'heretic' has to do is be smart and low key to do whatever he feels like.
Commie decided to do it.
If there is any comfort, Ilya's ending in her route in UC is the same. She goes to the Root. That's what she did here too. She finished her family's work as she wanted to do. It's in her genes.
She could do that and help everyone too. It's pretty fulfilling.
Now Saber's end...
The PV has scenes from all routes, but of course that doesn't mean anything because it's fucking ufotable.
Mind of Steel original anime route confirmed
At least Saber realized that the grail was evil and hopefully was able to move on.
I mean assuming that the incarnation of Angry Manjew doesn't actually count as "obtaining the grail" then she's forced into primate murder guarding/janitor duty for eternity.
Which order do you even play Melty Blood?
this the feeling that this ending gave me cannot be put into words.
Zouken isn't what turned her into Shadow, rather he only exploited it when she had already turned.What turned her into Shadow was firstly her desire when Shirou started paying attention to her in the beginning of the route since her hope had been dead for ten years before that point when she started thinking "Maybe.. maybe I have a chance", secondly that desire made way for fear and hatred as Zouken convinced Sakura that Rin would kill or take Shirou for herself without hesitation in this war, and lastly she had a piece of the cursed grail in her from the last war which was a piece of Angya Manyu who reacted to her desire and amplified it over and over until she was something he could use to be born once more
Shadow at best was just a happy accident, but that was never the plan and was just something that went horribly right for him. He was just going to sit this war out until he saw that beast which even servants feared.