You know what time is it /a/
Best meguca thread
I guess I'll start the thread then
oh look a right answer
Sure, why not?
Check the catalog next time.
we don't want a worst girls thread though
You're all correct, good taste.
That's the spirit.
>kyoko without sayaka
Who's best meguca and why do you guys think it's Mami?
Because she's a a lovely gal who wants only what's best for her team. She makes the best leader and has the best powers, fuck homura.
Madoka is olev
Sayaka thread :D
I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.
This thread has serious lack of best meguca.
Which meguca stinks the most and why
Melon becomes God. Our omnipotent god is a magical girl. How does anyone else compare?
I agree, I only see one Kyouko pic
Kyouko lives on the street, eats tons of junk food and probably fights more than she stands still
I've been seeing a lot of shitty threads lately. Why don't we change this thread into a BEST THREAD?
Great thread guys
It was all along.
Nagisa. Because she cut the cheese
This warms my heart. It really does.
Any more with her hair tied only on one side? It's cute.
Sayaka a filler
This is the most varied, yet tame best-girl thread I've seen in a while. Are we headed towards Pax Meguca?
Sayaka-chan has that effect on people.
Sayaka fills my heart.
I don't think I'd be alive without her.
I'd fill Sayaka with my semen
But there are two best girls, how can I post just one when there are two?
There is plenty of fighting in the other thread that's going to auto sage soon. Enjoy the calm before it's migrated to here.
>not wanting loli farts
The best Meguca is obviously Homura, because she did nothing wrong!
name a fanbase worse than madoka
You're favorite anime
>did nothing wrong
>smug as fuck
Sounds like best girl to me.
Yes, she did. I hope she gets tentacle raped for eternity.
Your favorite anime's fanbase.
you're moms fanbase
When are the blurays for movie 3? I can't find any news and I don't want to watch a camrip.
Stop misusing the name feature. Also, don't spoonfeed.
>I only want to talk to the same 10 people ever.
Madoka is one of my favourite anime, but goddamn the fanbase here on /a/ is pure cancer.
Homura betrays everyone and becomes a demon
Madokami gets trapped
The franchise is worthless now
This looks like a pretty civil thread for a change.
I jinxed it.
Because no one called Sayaka out on her defining attribute yet.
>metafags shitposting about fanbases
I never said good anon, I said civil.
Besides those were only a few people.
Homura the coolest.
>disgusting low res pic that isn't even 100kb
Nagisa is cuter than Madoka.
mami a shit
she's the boring stereotypical ojou-sama with big tits
she has no personality and was only in for like three episodes, but since she has tits, everyone likes her
best meguca is kyoko, obviously
>thinking an objectively cute girl makes you a pedo
Expensive, but then again it's not like she'll be paying for it.
Homura ruined everything. Why is she even counted in "best meguca" anymore!
You're waifu's fanbase.
Homura did nothing wrong!
Yes she did
No, she didn't.
REPRODUCTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
The power of /u/.
Don't make me sic god on you....though you also have a god. I guess we're at a impasse here.
My love for penises however is a lot stronger.
You can't stop me from abusing the naming system.
Disregard that, I suck cocks. Also, Haruhi a shit and I'm glad her VA fucked all those men.
that looks like two v's instead of a w
Haruhi is actually a shit. Kyon is cool though.
Yes she did
No, she didn't.
Yes, she didn't.
What is with the lack of best meguca?
Step it up guys
Why are glasses so ugly on 2D girls
If you guys want to dump images of Homura so badly, why don't you help improve her thread on /c/?
cheese a shit
I ain't far from slappin' your shit.
Here's the one part of the finale I don't get.
How did Madoka beat the witch from her own soul gem?
Madoka's wish was powerful enough for her to create a paradox.
She wished to destroy all witches, her witch is no exception
Meduka is cool
I love how flat Madoka and Homura are. I hope they stay flat through out adulthood.
Like that's even a relevant concept to them, they're both immortal divine beings.
EAT CAKE ERRYDAY
I want to do lewd things to them, but I respect their feelings (well Homura's) toward each other.
The only two who aren't flat is Sayaka and Mami. Kyoko, Homu, Madoka and Nagisa got nothing.
A lot of people overlook that one because they stick to their generals. But yeah, it's pretty bad in those threads.
Kyouko actually has noticeable breasts, you just can't see them in that sweatshirt.
I want to flick Kyouko's nipples with my tongue
Thanks for sharing.
why is Homura such a star
it worked this way apparently: >>100429932
Enjoy tasting chip crumbs and old sweat
Homura is the cutest little thing I would never want to meet in an alleyway on a moonless night.
This reminds me, they fucked up by giving Homura tits in Rebelllion.
Well it was her own barrier, so maybe she subconsciously wanted bigger breasts.
Anybody got any good meguca iphone backgrounds?
I want to smell the inside of Madoka's shoes.
They're still pretty small, she's at least a bit older, and she controlled reality with her mind anyway.
In Rebellion, she has noticeably larger breasts.
They giving her bigger breasts because that's what sells, the same reason they giving her that fucking outfit, that's not really Homu.
>that's what sells
There's no doubt that's part of the reason for her new dress. But at least it makes sense given what Homura represents now.
Have you ordered your BD yet?
I don't have the money for that shit
Waiting for aniplex usa.
Breast size is probably the most inconsistent thing in character design across all anime, especially since it can change in appearance with different outfits.
Shaft doesn't have a very good track record with that sort of thing.
No, not really, that outfit don't go well with the character of Homu at all, they could give her something more classy and that fits her character more, like a gala dress type of thing or something like the dress she used in the end of the manga.
>not superior rebellion henshin
Well, she only "wore" it in that cosmic domain beyond space and time.
lol, look how envious Sayaka seems to be of Mami's mamis
Being a villain doesn't fit her character either, but she's going for it anyway/
>implying time ballet isn't the best henshin (tied with rebellion!kyoko) with best henshin music
Yes, I told the uploader to make it snappy on April 2
No because I'm poor and I don't have a BD player.
If you have shit taste, sure.
Mami still has the best henshin.
>implying breakdancing isn't best everything
mah nigga surely
but for rebellion kyoko probably takes the cake
>$70 for 4 episodes
Where can I get BDs of this show without being ripped off?
Welcome to anime.
The internet, for free?
That sounds cheaper than the average anime BD, which is like $60 for 2 or 3 episodes.
Madoka a lewd
Waiting for what? The JP release has English subs and more dollar dollar goes to the creators.
Madoka has no moves apparently.
Also, these two feel really innocent together.
do what you want cuz a pirate is free...
yo ho ho ho a pirate's life for me
She's not really a villain if you look at it by normal definition, she forcibly removed them from their world....into a one that isn't full of hope and despair, she rid them of their memories.....which are full of sadness and despair. I heard people say she's more of a lovecraftian entity now. Besides, Homura was never a good person from the start. She was almost like a antihero, a villain isn't so far from that.
What? She's teaching you how to wear a ring on your index finger. What could possibly be lewd about that?
Why is this ok with anyone? Are they that much in japan?
>Where can I get BDs of this show without being ripped off?
buy figurines and artbooks instead
Hope and despair....I don't know how I wrote that instead of sadness and despair.
She's only lewd with HomuHomu.
>without being ripped off
>buy figurines and artbooks instead
Well atleast she's not riding the persona mara....that would've been 3lewd5me
What kind of game do you think Madoka would be good at?
Go back to /soc/
>making Madoka cry
That was pretty cute though.
Which one does anal?
Dress up games.
Madoka acts the most innocent, and Kyouko actually is the most innocent.
Nothing, she's only good at sacrificing herself.
puzzle games and oddly enough shooters
it's a much better value than paying for a pressed Bluray disc and a cardboard envelope
localization when? But then again, it doesn't look like a tough game to read off from a translated script
Are you calling Madoka impure, faggot?
A little bit.
But you can have multiple lives in games. Madoka would be the one to sacrifice herself to take an attack and save her teammates.
She uses a bow, that's to be expected. Maybe her and Homura can play an arcade/rail shooter together.
By the nine divines, what happened to her face?
>She uses a bow, that's to be expected.
Isn't that just using her enhanced magical girl reflexes to be good at games? That's cheating.
They did the first two movies. I see no reason why they won't do Rebellion too.
Talos worshiping scum.
Is not that what Kyouko do? She even says it in the video "This should be easy for magical girls".
It's to be expected, Kyouko has no morals.
Then I suppose if she were to do it without any enhancement, it's just puzzle games. Maybe simulators too.
>become a magical girl
>acquire sweet dance moves
It worked for Sayaka.
I wish that more people would show Kyouko how she really is and not that shit of LOL SHE SO ALPHA.
Maximum pleb, learn multiplication.
Well, apparently her facade was really effective because like half of /a/ fell for it.
Also I assume that wasn't the image you intended to post.
Here the imagen.
By that logic
>Pink + Blue = ?
This won't end well.
Breaks my heart, anon.
What is it about saliva that instantly upgrades Yuri tenfold?
Stop being so short meduka
HELL YEAH SEALDOKA!
>I love you madoka
I never actually realized these images were part of a big set until I looked it up just now
Why does Madoka have such a demonic laugh?
I need rebellion henshin gifs
At least it's not like:
Oh man, I wish I had saved the video with Madoka laugh, you know the one.
Expect higher quality gifs of them after April 2nd.
Is this a Homunyan thread?
but I'm not homura I can't do anything about time
Why does the character all look so ugly? They looked totally deformed...
Stop being so narrow-minded anon.
Just look how huge their heads are.
The character in SnK look way better.
Patience is a virtue.
Wide is love
Wide is life
Embrace the wide
Frankly, bait of this level is insulting.
I want to pleasure NekoHomu orally.
I think Homunyan is cuter, but yes.
Where can I find those 2 minutes Madoka laugh that is used to be attached to one of Madoka image? I wonder.
That sounds much better, yes.
The AniplexUSA preorder bonus for the first movies was a translation of the booklet.
Are you Madoka? Only Madoka can give pleasure to Homu.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
>when artists with cute styles go lewd
Watch more anime
The other megucas can go ahead and be lewd if they want. Homura does beautiful dresses the best.
pumpkin a shit
See, that would have been way better for Akuma but without so much frills and tighter.
Does anyone have that crudely made comic where Urobuchi or Shinbo makes Ume sensei cry?
>there are people in this thread who don't think Madoka is anime of the decade
Guys, what if every meguca fused into one
I would love to die by Homura's bullet. Preferably I bleed out slowly so I can watch and fap her as she mows down the rest of my squad.
Imagine a teenage girl version of Captain Planet.
I have this.
Yeah but that dress doesn't have the celestial goddess feel.
When is someone gonna typeset these?
I think something lewd symbolizes love a little better.
Now that is epic.
Get me a script and I'll get you some typeset.
Her indecent crow-outfit doesn't have that feeling either.
See, this is also good.
>fusing meguca without including Mami's drills
Yeah it does. It makes her look like a devil.
This somehow looks worse.
A lewd devil.
No, it makes her look like a slut.
Well that's all I got buddy
But she only showed it in front of Kyubey.
You're wrong. She looks like a devil.
It's a lot better but I feel it focuses too heavily on Mami and Homura and not enough Madoka and Sayaka. Did you draw this?
Of course not, that's from some japanese artist like two years ago
She doesn't looks like a imposing demon who rules over other, she just look like a shitty succubus.
No, but I did.
What a bigoted use of that word. If a girl who has been in love with the same person for over a decade (I'll bet you haven't even been that faithful to your waifu) wants to look pretty for that person, she damn well has that right.
Well how else should the devil dress?
Well your opinion is stupid and I'm glad you're in the minority.
Eh, depends on the artist.
No, that's just the background.
Ah, maybe someone in a draw thread can improve on this idea then.
Am I being tricked?
Her dress looks like a broken heart
>implying her dress doesn't look different depending on who draws it
Her dress isn't for you, and you're free to leave if you don't want to see it.
Even I felt like a blushing maiden when I saw this one.
I want to do lewd things to HomuHomu.
I'll admit that it got me.
Never thought I'd be this bitter about an ending. What's worse is that for all extent and purposes I should feel happy for what Homura did, I don't deny everyone is happier including Madoka. Yet here I am still hoping any potential sequel ruins Homura's world, not in spite of her but just because something feels off about Rebellions ending.
pls don't sexualize the megucas
Something like these, really long straight dresses
Except that she wouldn't wear something so revealing, she would wear something more conservative but also sexy like her magical girl outfit.
I'll be gentle.
Only gentle rubbing.
>Except that she wouldn't wear something so revealing, she would wear something more conservative but also sexy like her magical girl outfit.
To be fair, she comes to people with her physical avatar which is just Homura dressed like she usually does. There's nobody to really see her in that skimpy devil outfit except maybe Madokami.
The dress fits her latest stage of development just fine. Stop crying because your head canon conservative reserved Homura doesn't exist.
No one is allowed to do lewd things to Homu because she is not worthy of anyone's love. She is a foolish, cowardly, cold-hearted girl who only corrupts everything she touches. Everyone should just stay away from her.
homu pls stop posting
But I love Homu.
But I love her anyway.
>this is what Homuras actually believe
Homu pls stop hating your self ;_;
>Homura is posting on /a/
Even more autistic than we'd feared.
What else is she going to do in the new world, hang out with Madoka? Good one.
>Thinking of Homura makes me happy.
>willing to sacrifice everything for Madoka over and over
>hang out with Madoka
Yes. Homura already tried to reconcile with Madoka at the end of Rebellion. I think it's safe to assume she will keep trying.
Why does everyone say that Homura loves Madoka in a sexual/romantic way? Her love for Madoka is strictly platonic, and can even be said to be beyond what a sexual love can offer.
Madoka's mom will point out that Homura is her secret admirer.
>The dress fits her latest stage of development just fine.
But it doesn't, at all, she doesn't receive an increase in confidence about her physical appearance, she also is proud of what she did but at the same time ashamed and want to hide what she is now, wear such a revealing outfit doesn't make sense, she would wear an outfit that hides her body and herself like the funebre outfit, and even if they wanted to give the feeling that Homura is evil now they didn't have to give her such a revealing outfit , that outfit only exists as sex appeal to sell more.
Plus, Homura didn't need to do anything good for the other girls. She could have left Mami alone, Nagisa alone when she has to deal with her mother dying, Sayaka dead since she's the most dangerous to her plans, and Kyoko alone. But instead she puts them all in a position where they'll be most happy.
BECAUSE WE LIKE YURI OKAY
Dude, all that stuff was accidental side-effects of what she did for Madoka. She didn't even expect Sayaka and Nagisa to be revived, they just happened to be nearby.
You can't really prove it either way, and what kind of love it is is kind of beside the point. The point is, she loves Madoka. A lot.
>she doesn't receive an increase in confidence about her physical appearance,
I don't know what movie you watched, but she looks pretty smug and confident in Rebellion.
What parent pushes for their child to be homosexual and in a sterile relationship that will never give genetic grandchildren? The same kind that are fine sending them off into a hurricane I guess.
I doubt it personally. That wasn't much of an attempt at reconciliation, she was just sort of asking what Madoka thought about what Homura did in a roundabout way. Even though Madoka basically said that she favors the old order, Homura doesn't care.
What's the evidence for this? I'm not doubting you because more often than not Homura doesn't give a shit about the other girls and thinks in terms of "I shouldn't kill x because Madoka wouldn't like it"
About what she's doing, not her appearance.
The only emotion I see is discontent
Junko is understanding, she knows that love is more important than that stuff.
I fucking love Sealdoka!
Depending on what kind of love you are talking about, it changes the motivations for Homura doing what she did as well as her relationship with Madoka. This is where the English language fails because we only have one word for love.
What people are talking about the love that Homura has for Madoka can be described as "eros" while the love that I think Homura is trying to convery is one of "agape"
When does Homura ever mention what she thinks of her outward appearance? Maybe I should rewatch it.
The stuff she said when she was talking to Sayaka at the end, "you've become unable to return to where you belong" or whatever.
>Sealdoka likes Homura-chan the most
She sees herself as a cold-hearted person.
Who died and made you king of sealdokas
She raised literally the only human to ever do a good deed that didn't get offset by an equal amount of despair. So I think she did alright.
It's 'Ai' rather than 'Koi'.
This kind of love.
Homura's despair made it possible.
At least Madoka has living parents who care about her.
What if the shitload of despair was redistributed to Homura?
>it changes the motivations for Homura doing what she did
Does it? She loves Madoka, and she expresses her love by trying to protect Madoka at all costs. That doesn't really changed if she has sexual/romantic feelings towards Madoka, especially because as we've seen from our look at her subconscious in Rebellion, she would probably keep those feelings suppressed at this point due to her own feelings of unworthiness anyway.
She never says anything about her appearance, but we know what she thinks about herself, why she would hate herself for being so horrible person but love her body?
A lot of things made it possible, but it's only because Madoka is who she is that she came up with such a wish and the resolve to make it.
Madoka is a good girl.
I never minded that theory.
There's no correlation between what one thinks of themselves as a person and what one thinks of their body their body. It's very possible for someone to think they're a terrible person, but also think they're attractive. There's no real backing to the assumption that Homura thinks little of her body, especially considering the evidence against it.
>That doesn't really changed if she has sexual/romantic feelings towards Madoka, especially because as we've seen from our look at her subconscious in Rebellion, she would probably keep those feelings suppressed at this point due to her own feelings of unworthiness anyway.
This is how I've felt which helped me care less about that particular question. Though if the writers ever had Madoka hold eros feelings for Homura that's where i'd draw the line and feel the series has actually pandered to the lowest denominator.
For the record, I'm fine with the fanart I have tons of it saved here. I'm just committed to the idea that nothing has shown Madoka having those kinds of feelings other than those psp games that pander to all the fandoms fantasies.
If anything becoming a Magical girl probably strengthened her self-image in terms of attractiveness. Before then she was this hospitalized weakling who couldn't even sprint without tiring out.
sAYAka kYOUKO OTP
I wasn't planning on crying today.
Most people I've seen think it is just platonic but that can develop rapidly in romantic once they are together.
She knows what she's got
If only Madoka was more assertive with her friends, she wouldn't have had a rebellion on her record.
Madoka is the Eternal Feminine. No matter what happens, she will always be there to take Homura's hand.
I don't know Japanese, can you tell me what the difference between "ai" and "koi" is? I'm currently looking it up but if you have a more definitive explanation I'd like to see it.
It does. The usage of "agape" and "eros" is from traditional Christian theology, where the Greek NT scriptures use several of the Greek words for love that properly reflect the relationships that Jesus had with His disciples, the people, and God the Father. (this is one of the flaws of our language, all those words for love get translated as one word, so the nuance between agape, eros, and philia gets lost.)
Using this framework, we can see how Homura's application of love can be properly conceptualized. Homura has not really expressed any sexual desire or close skinship, at least in the original series. Even in her monologues, she has not given hint of wanting Madoka's body or longing for a carnal relationship. She valued Madoka as a person and because of her friendship. Homura has a low self esteem because of her illness. She felt really grateful to Madoka that she would befriend someone so "worthless" (in Homura's mind). That would be a "philia" type love, friendship. Once she experienced the timeline where Madoka asked her to prevent her from contracting, Homura became more serious, and transitioned to "agape", a love of sacrifice. She was willing to give up everything to save Madoka, time and again, becoming how she was throughout the anime series. cont'd
>especially considering the evidence against it.
And what evidence is that? There is much more evidence that she hates herself that she loves herself.
Agreed. There's definitely a reason she decided to wear pantyhose, forgo the glasses, and undo her braids.
At the end, she could accept, bitterly, that Madoka had made a wish for everyone. But in Rebellion, we saw that Homura was not really happy, and when she talked to Madoka in the lily field, she made up her mind to save her. This is where the agape became corrupted. It is still a form of love, agape, but the focus became more self-centered, since she took the opinion of a Madoka that was ignorant of experience that the LoC Madoka had already gone through and made her choice with said experience. Homura DOES love Madoka, as she declared "AI YO", but that love no longer is pure, but is stained by Homura's desire to have Madoka to herself, in a way
Platonic is suppose to be a transcendence of romantic feelings.
I'm all aboard Madoka feelings being Platonic all this time, Homura I think took a turn into romantic probably around the end of Rebellion.
Yes, to try to pretend to be "cool and strong" in front of Madoka.
Why would she wear a dress like that if she wasn't comfortable revealing her skin? She seemed quite comfortable in it too.
>There is much more evidence that she hates herself that she loves herself.
Keep in mind the difference between loving oneself and loving ones body.
>earring incorrectly designed
>Platonic is suppose to be a transcendence of romantic feelings.
No? Platonic love is just a love that is not sexual.
Why is her whole face covered in blood? That looks like shit.
Madoka was on her period.
That quote reminds me, so with Rebellion now changing things up how do you think Bowmura felt during the time between Sayaka dying in the new universe and Homura getting placed in the Incubator barrier?
Considering how Homura's wings were pink in one scene and the desert one they were black and witch-like I would say that she started out meaning what she said and fighting to protect the world for Madoka's sake. Then the doubt sets in and the lonliness, probably Mami and Kyoko split up after Sayaka dies leaving Homura even more alone finally leading up to her suicide battle in the desert where the black wings spawn out. She beats the wraiths and is near total corruption when the Incubators hatch their scheme.
>Homura's desire to have Madoka to herself,
It's not about owning Madoka. It's about making her happy.
Isn't it a bit restrictive using only those specific ancient Greek concepts of love, though? Personally I think it's possible to have "romantic" feelings for someone, the way you feel for someone you'd want to marry and spend the rest of your life with, without them necessarily being sexual. She loves Madoka far more than one ever would a friend, but that doesn't have to mean she lusts after her.
That smile she gave right before that battle kinda makes me think this was her plan. She'd either be with Madoka again or die and go to Yuri Valhalla, and either one would be fine with her.
I don't think Homura is that pure in her motives.
Why not? Both her actions and words support the idea that they are that pure.
Is about both, really, it's just that Homura isn't honest with the part of wanting to having Madoka to herself for her self-hatred.
Reminder that Homura is not the final boss and is merely a step in showing off the true nature of the Law of Cycles as a monsterous and destructive entity that collects the souls of magical girls, like a super, eternal Walpurgis. The Law of Cycles is not Madoka herself but an entity born from her wish that originally absorbed her. Madoka's hope was powerful enough to control it, but now that Homura was able to separate her from it the Cycle will show its true nature soon enough, especially if Kyubey interferes.
Except when she grabbed Madoka and was like "I'm never letting you go again".
Homura isn't that complicated, what she says is what she really feels, that's why Sayaka and almost anyone can tell when she is lying.
You can't truly make one happy when the person you are trying to make happy is restricted of choice. Homura sacrificed almost everything for Madoka, and Madoka also sacrificed almost everything, not just for Homura but for every magical girl. But Homura can't accept this so she basically cancels out Madoka's wish. Homura indeed loves Madoka, but that love has turned from selfless to selfish. Love means you accept, and Homura can't accept what Madoka did. Hence, Rebellion.
Yes but it gives a neater and clearer framework to study Homura's love from than simply using "love" and trying to piece together what kind of "love" it is.
How would you define "romantic" love? Although I do agree on Homura's love being nonsexual.
She also says that she wants to create a world where Madoka is happy. And that is exactly what she does.
Her actions suggest that she just wants to make Madoka happy, the symbolism suggest that she just wants to be with Madoka.
Don't like the MadoHomu but I'll dump a cute comic.
>but that love has turned from selfless to selfish.
There's nothing selfish about a willingness to face an eternity of suffering and despair to save someone. There is also nothing selfish about creating a world solely with the intent of making another person happy.
>Love means you accept,
Not even most of the time.
>Homura can't accept this so she basically cancels out Madoka's wish
The problem is as far as the audience knows at the end of Rebellion, Madoka's wish is still in effect even without Madoka doing it herself.
I think this is what upset me most about the ending, Homura has her cake and eats it. We're not shown any sign that something bad can happen for the choice she made other than Sayaka getting upset and Madokami trying to bond with Madoka again.
Well there's also the fact that Homura's psyche is a shattered ruin and she hates herself and everything now. I'd classify that as "bad".
She seems stable enough to appreciate her own work and if she hated everything then the world she created certainly doesn't depict that hatred.
Besides that problem is anti-climactic because we know Homura's fears of Madoka hating her will never fucking happen.
Also, there is actual evidence for this from the witch booklet and Sayaka's dialogue in Homura's world. According to the booklet, all of Madoka's witches broke off from the cycle, like they were absorbed by it rather than acting as Madoka's angels. Sayaka and Nagisa mention they are former magical girls that embody both hope and despair equally, but never mention anything other than that. We know nothing about the Law of Cycles other than that it exists. We know more about Akuma Homura and what she can do than what Madoka can, which is suspicious if she's supposed to be a villain.
In addition, Madoka attempting to become a goddess after Homura has the Law of Cycles bound and gagged inside her tenga implies that Ultimate Madoka and the Law of Cycles are not the same thing.
Thanks. MadoHomu can be really cute.
It's selfish because she's taking Madoka's choice and her autonomy to execute her wish out of her hands. Homura can't accept that Madoka is now a concept, unable to live a human life with her, even though Madoka herself is content with her choice. Homura tries to undo Madoka's wish, not because Madoka genuinely regretted it, but because Homura took it that way.
Making a world to make a person happy isn't selfish, the problem is that you are giving them a world that YOU think will make them happy, disregarding their own choices and their own happiness to do so.
We're talking about conceptual love. Since I borrowed theological concepts before, this is a nice little quote to go along with my argument
>Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
We don't know yet since there is no scene of an MG turning witch. Quite possibly since Madoka wished her her personally to kill all the witches, and her personality component is separated from the rest of herself, the LoC can't operate without the personality component (the Will).
That actually doesn't seem like a bad idea. It sounds much more interesting than Homura going full yandere which is what I think will happen in the next movie.
Defining romantic love without mentioning sexual love is difficult, but as I said, it's the kind of love you feel towards a spouse. Wanting to stay by that person's side, being happy just to see them smile...all that mushy stuff. I don't think those sort of feelings are necessarily inseparable from sexual attraction.
Madoka: Fueh?! W-Wait, Sayaka-chan?
Sayaka: Hm~m, you’re soft and smell good. Phew... calms me down.
Sayaka: Hm~? What~?
Madoka: I love you.
>Rebellion raws still aren't released
She's keeping the world together for Madoka's sake, just like the hope of saving Madoka was all that kept her putting one foot in front of the other ever since timeline 3. That doesn't necessarily mean she's stable. And what if something happens that puts Madoka outside Homura's ability to "save" again? She'd utterly fall apart.
Can an asexual person exhibit romantic love towards someone? And if this love can be exhibited, why can't it be simply be classified as "platonic"?
I would expect the ending to be Madoka convincing Homura to let her rejoin with the Law of Cycles rather than them teaming up and destroying it. That or the Law of Cycles defeats Homura and plans on obliterating her/sending her to Hell when Madoka agrees to bond with the Law of Cycles again to save Homura. Once she's merged together then I would expect a dualistic rule of the universe between Homura and Madoka as the "happy end".
>Her actions suggest that she just wants to make Madoka happy, the symbolism suggest that she just wants to be with Madoka.
This. Also, Homura didn't see Madokami as the "real Madoka", and/or she was unwilling to share Madoka with all the other magical girls of history.
>And what if something happens that puts Madoka outside Homura's ability to "save" again? She'd utterly fall apart.
This I do agree with, if somehow she lacked the power to save Madoka from some fate and now her soul was utterly gone from the universe then I suspect either Homura would destroy the universe herself or abandon it to be alone for eternity in mourning like a deistic god.
>unable to live a human life with her
Homura's goal in the original series was to protect Madoka. If this meant that Madoka would hate Homura, or that the two of them would be unable to sustain a friendship, that was okay. Homura has always shown a willingness to disregard herself for Madoka. In Rebellion however, along with the aforementioned goal, the goal of making Madoka happy materialized itself.
>the problem is that you are giving them a world that YOU think will make them happy,
And the reason Homura thinks that this is what Madoka wants is because this is what Madoka tells her. This idea didn't spring into Homura's head on it's own.
Homura's motivations can not be narrowed down into purely selfish or purely selfless however.
It's much more gay when you hear her say it.
At least Homura and Kyouko could make a good couple.
Or Homura would destroy the universe in a jealous rage.
>And the reason Homura thinks that this is what Madoka wants is because this is what Madoka tells her. This idea didn't spring into Homura's head on it's own.
That's a Madoka who has zero idea of true suffering all magical girls face in reality and I'm pretty sure Homura doesn't even mention that Madoka "goes away" for the sake of all of humanity.
Homura's view on that is extremely biased, which makes it all the more worse when she decides to go against the enlightened Madoka's decision and decide what will make her happy.
Here's anther dump of the cotton candy variety.
>Can an asexual person exhibit romantic love towards someone? And if this love can be exhibited, why can't it be simply be classified as "platonic"?
The modern (not the original!) definition of "platonic love" is basically non-sexual, non-romantic love. Also generally not for family, either.
I know, it's a tricky question with no real satisfactory answer. Asexuality is barely an accepted "thing" in psychology anyway, but a lot of people do think that such people are capable of having purely romantic feelings. There's a whole bunch of stuff on the internet about this, of course, with no real consensus. Personally I see romantic feelings as definitely different from platonic ones, since there are feelings stronger than what you'd ever feel for your friends that don't involve sex.
This is redundant. Homura, like anyone who believes in something, is acting because they think they know better. It's why Mami tried to murder everyone, for example. It's needless to say that they are biased.
Nice mate, I agree .
Who has the right or the knowledge to determine how to make Madoka happy- Homura or Madoka herself? Homura can never know what Madoka feels or how Madoka's experiences have shaped her. The Madoka in Homura's soul gem and the Madoka who made the wish in ep. 12 are the "same Madoka", but their different experiences have led them to different conclusions. The Madoka that made the wish was happy she could. But that was not agreeable with Homura, so when she talked with a Madoka who expressed a desire to live amongst her loved ones, sans experience that the wish-making Madoka had, Homura seized the chance as that desire was in accord with her own. But it wasn't something Homura was willing to leave in Madoka's hands, because ultimately what Homura thinks would make Madoka happy has trumped Madoka's own version of what would make herself happy.
Again, the Madoka that told her that was lacking the experiences that the wish-making Madoka had gone through. I can almost guarantee if the Madoka of Rebellion had gone through the events of the TV series, she would have done the same wish over again.
>Homura's motivations can not be narrowed down into purely selfish or purely selfless however.
I agree but at the same time if we took the time to write everything down, we could end up with pages of analysis and conjectures. So it's best to try to simplify a bit, no?
Madoka an friendslut, Kyouko is best option.
>Homura's motivations can not be narrowed down into purely selfish or purely selfless however.
I think the best description for Homura's motivations and actions is "one-sided". She completely disregarded Madoka's own wishes and feelings, at least in the present, and forced her own desires on the entirety of reality. Her love for Madoka is also one-sided, at least in the situation at the end of the movie - and the irony is that it's likely that Madoka was going to return her feelings if Homura just let Madoka take her away.
Dammit, why do artists have to post good stuff on their stupid twitters and not on pixiv?
I had just read that, but if we're using modern definitions, my questions/point still stands, right? r-right?
I agree on the fact that there should be a definition of love that is beyond friendship but not quite lovers.
It can't be helped.
>Quite possibly since Madoka wished her her personally to kill all the witches, and her personality component is separated from the rest of herself, the LoC can't operate without the personality component (the Will).
I really don't think that's the case, her wish in theory should be able to keep running even if Madokami don't have a will because of how Madoka make her wish it only requires that the action was done in person, however I think that the Law of Cycles is broken and only running at its most basic concept that is erase witches, if was the will of Madoka who brought the girls true salvation and a chance to make passes with themselves in Yuri Valhalla.
Because they're stupid artists that hate their own art, or they are super slow in uploading, or I don't know.
I wouldn't call it redundant, there is a difference between someone who thinks they know better and it's based on Truth and someone who thinks they know better who are living under delusion.
Homura is the second, choosing to completely ignore the ep. 12 Madoka's words for a Madoka who knows nothing of true suffering. It's like saying you want enlightenment from Prince Siddhartha who never left his palace rather than from when he became the Buddha.
At the very least, Homura needs a friend.
>I had just read that, but if we're using modern definitions, my questions/point still stands, right? r-right?
I think romantic love can't be platonic even if it is asexual. For instance, a romantic, nonsexual love could lead to feelings of jealousy, but platonic love usually wouldn't.
If we split Ultimate Madoka into its components, you have the "Will", which can be the Madoka you see in Homura's new world, and the "Power". the actual ability to end witches. The Power cannot function without the Will to guide it. I think of it like a mecha. You can have a stupidly powerful mech like Demonbane, but with no pilot, it's just a hunk of metal. In the same way, if the Will cannot act out the "end all witches", then the Power just does nothing. Since the one who made the wish was Madoka, and currently, Madoka the "Will" is prisoner, it cannot execute the wish.
Well yeah Homu knows that, she believes that she isn't worthy to be with Madoka, but wants her to give her a normal human life.
Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying. I might need to continue doing research on this aspect of love. Thanks.
No she doesn't, she doesn't need anyone, go away
>Well yeah Homu knows that, she believes that she isn't worthy to be with Madoka, but wants her to give her a normal human life.
Yup. But at the same time, Homura can't bear to isolate herself from Madoka and will try to be her friend, and may have even sent Madoka to America to make getting close to her easier.
Homura's ultimate dilemma: what does she do if human Madoka now falls for her?
Nah, friends are overrated. They're so much work.
reminder that platonic love is deeply romantic in the philosophical definition
That top right frame is just asking for an edit
>Homu:NO you don't understand!
You're assuming that a wish requires a will to be fulfilled, I don't think that's the case, look at the example of Kyouko, her wish was still in effect even when she and her father rejected the wish, the same can be said about Madokami, the wish can continue in effect even if the will to fulfill is not there or can continue in effect as a golem following simple instructions "erase all witches from existence with my own hands"?
That's why Homura needs a friend who's capable of taking care of herself, unlike the constant dying and self-sacrificing of Madoka.
Since Madoka wished for her personally to end the witches, there needs to be a will (Madoka herself) to complete this wish. When they showed her wish being executed, there were manifestations of Madoka (her will) sent to each MG to take them before they go witch. When the mega-witch tries to crash into Earth, Madoka herself (in goddess form) is there to personally end the witch. Madoka wanted for herself to end the witches. If the wish was meant to operate independently of her, she would have worded it as such.
Sayaka better right hand of God anyway.
Didn't Madoka's wish happen instantaneously? She rescues all the girls from turning into witches, and THEN reforms the universe to be guided by a new law(of cycles).
Maybe she doesn't have to direct it. I know some people from Shaft said in an interview that Madoka's law is still in effect, wraiths still exist.
>Homura seized the chance as that desire was in accord with her own.
Homura chose to believe that Madoka that would make her feel most assured in what she wanted to do all along; that's correct. But the fact remains that her goal is the betterment of another person. Even if she's disregarding the will of that person, it's isn't a complete act of selfishness. She wants (selfishness) to make Madoka happy (selflessness) in a way she thinks (selfishness) is best for Madoka (selflessness). There's consideration for both parties in Homura's motivation.
>So it's best to try to simplify a bit, no?
Not really. These things are inherently grey, so it's needless to try and boil them down.
Homura changed the rules, though, and she split Madokami in two. It's quite possible for Madokami to continue as a conscious entity doing her job independently of human Madoka.
I think the reason she used the phrasing "with my own hands" was to make sure that her soul would stay around even after she's turned into a witch, allowing her to destroy her own witch, which would be impossible otherwise.
So...the Law of Cycles may be capable of turning into a witch now, unless it's stopped by an outside force, like Madoka herself?
Well she is like Madoka, she wasn't worthy of the position but got it, because of someone close to her.
I still think Kyouko would respect that Homura would fight so hard for Madoka. Homura herself considers Madoka her "friend", don't want to bring any unnecessary connotations into best bro relationship.
That's the thing I don't think Madokami need a will, she just needs to be present in "physical form" in the process of erasing witches, I think Madokami is now just a golem, and technically golem have a will, the will to carry out the orders that are in charge with.
>I think the reason she used the phrasing "with my own hands" was to make sure that her soul would stay around even after she's turned into a witch, allowing her to destroy her own witch, which would be impossible otherwise.
Madoka could have cheated and wished for it to be done by a duplicate of her personality. Then she could have kept existing (as a fantastically powerful magical girl, no less!) and also have changed the system personally. However, it would have been condemning a duplicate of herself to be stuck in that role, which Madoka would probably have rejected as unfair.
Kyouko could definitely relate to Homura, seeing how far she went for Sayaka. In fact, she made that direct comparison in the last thing she ever said to Homura in episode 9.
But she, the original Madoka, would just be erased anyway once she became a witch, and the duplicate would be the only one left. So that wouldn't really accomplish anything that her wish didn't.
I think what happened is that at a certain point, there was too much despair and Madoka's earthly existence had gone witch. The wish that Madoka made though was able to defeat this witch. The paradox that Madoka wish killed Madoka's body made it so that the universe had to correct this and so it reformatted to accommodate Madoka's wish.
The law is still in effect and technically wraiths still exist, it's just that in Homura's world, those things are suspended, and once her witch/demon barrier breaks down, the regular rules of the universe will apply. The rules are only suspended inside the barrier, any thing outside it is still functional.
It's not a complete act of selfishness but it isn't as selfless as it was during the TV series, where she learned to accept (for the time being) Madoka's wish and Madoka's desires.
Maybe so, but again, we'd never finish writing, and 4chan has a post limit on threads, haha.
I am not sure but at this point it's all speculation so your and my points are equally valid until more information is released.
I think she wanted to feel useful so this was a way of doing it, by her herself making the wish happen. Also because it would be a true sacrifice, rather than a handwave via QB's power. She wanted to be the one to do the dirty work.
She has a will more than just completing the wish though. Otherwise, the Madoka inside Homura's gem wouldn't be possible.
Well, "erased" would hopefully mean "join the Law of Cycles".
>She has a will more than just completing the wish though.
And that's what I refer in my first post, Madoka's will to save all the magical girls in Yuri Valhalla is part of her humanity, which Homura took and leave only the will which is inherent to her wish that is erase witches.
>but it isn't as selfless as it was during the TV series,
Oh yes, definitely. There's more regard for what she personally wants for Madoka in Rebellion. Homura's ideal went from protecting Madoka and assuring her safety to the aforementioned and assuring Madoka's happiness. Madoka was already happy however. But not in a way Homura thought was best for her.
Oh wow, never thought of the fact that it's her humanity that creates the Yuri Valhalla. That certainly explains why witches still exist as servants to Madokami and her magical girls instead of just ceasing to exist.
So basically the Law of Cycles without Madoka's humanity is just Gretchen? Basically absorbing all the grief and the person's individuality making them one with the Law of Cycles.
>So basically the Law of Cycles without Madoka's humanity is just Gretchen?
That's my theory, just that only affects magical girls.
>So basically the Law of Cycles without Madoka's humanity is just Gretchen?
Hey, as long as her SALVATION is aimed away from us, that's fine for now.
She was happy in a way Homura is happy at the end of Rebellion. She did what she wanted and was satisfied with that. But is that true happiness?
Oh yeah good point, I forgot Gretchen targets all of humanity.
Madoka IS the will, since it is by HER hand, which basically forces Madoka to personally kill the witches or no dice. Like with my mecha comparison earlier, a mech needs a pilot to make it work.
So we are in agreement?
I saw it more as Madoka uses the MG's as heralds. Sayaka didn't seem the same as she was in life; she struck me as more confident and wiser, like she knew things that you can only see if you were omniscient or at least able to observe humanity from a neutral POV. The way she used Oktavia also gave me a sense of her and the witch being merged, like a two sides of the same coin kind of deal
>Like with my mecha comparison earlier, a mech needs a pilot to make it work.
Only by design.
The design that Madoka chose. Since she wanted to do it with her own hands, personally.
To be fair, no one thought that you can rip away the personality component from Ultimate Madoka. This is one of the things that might be elaborated on in the future
Happiness is happiness. Even if that happiness is based upon a lie.
Only for as long as the lie lasts.
Unless that lie lasts forever. And if that happens, is it really a lie?
Witches are final forms of magical girls. Rebellion shows that they don't have to be inherently evil. Sayaka and Nagisa are one with Law of Cycles, witches book describes that LoC had to split them off.
Also, Madoka spent a month in Homulilly's barrier. Do you believe girls were unsaved during this time?
Nothing lasts forever. I think even Homura knows this.
>Like with my mecha comparison earlier, a mech needs a pilot to make it work.
A mecha can have autopilot and I think that is what Madokami is now, an entity following a sequence of pre-programmed actions.
>Also, Madoka spent a month in Homulilly's barrier. Do you believe girls were unsaved during this time?
Of course not, Madoka operates outside time. She already has/will have saved anyone she was going to from the world's point of view.
But what is forever, anon? What is the cosmos? What is life?
Yea, hence the two sides of the same coin. I don't think that the witches are so much evil as just emotional wrecks with no control. Homura went through a bit of this in her turn to witch as well.
Was that actual time? I thought the time spent in Homu's soul gem was unrelated to the time outside of it.
I don't really see it that was because of the way Madoka phrased her wish and how the wish is actually carried out. But that's difference of opinion.
What is a mom though? A bearer a life? Or an ender of many others?
This is a mom.
Go away Homura, you're drunk, go erase the memory of someone or something.
Then what does it matter if human part is taken out? All girls are saved already anyway.
It was. QB even complained how this experiment was taking too long.
More like go sleep so she can get rid of her wrinkles/bags.
>Then what does it matter if human part is taken out? All girls are saved already anyway.
They were in the old universe, but this is a new universe, playing by new rules. Different things may happen.
>QB even complained how this experiment was taking too long.
Well he was inside the barrier, of course he would say that.
Does the mom give birth to a temporary life, or does the mom live forever?
The truth was basically evil anyway.
But that isn't the mom of Homura, at least not for now.
What is the sound of one Homura shutting up?
You're a card, anon.
Did QB mention a specific time frame though or are you basing it on the time inside the soul gem?
He was watching from outside as well. And time didn't seem to flow differently there.
I love Sayaka Miki!!
What a coincidence. I, too, love Sayaka.
It's a real Shame Kyousuke doesn't love her too though.
I love to rape Sayaka Miki!!
>And so Peter knocked out the Roman guard and pulled the Lord down from the Cross, for he could not bear to be separated from the Lord. Peter sated His thirst with water mixed with powder of forgetfulness and Jesus said to his disciple, "I thank thee Peter for bringing me down from that wood. I do not knoweth why I was there in the first place."
And then they went out for wine but Peter held in his heart the great sin he had committed.
Homura please go.
Shitty cop-out ending. The apostles were such sellouts.
>Sayaka is the only one who remembers
Homura can't live without Sayaka
Homura would never rape something so filthy as Miki Sayaka, she only has eyes for Madoka.
Madoka is her princess. Other girls can be slaves.
When did Homu start browsing /a/ and why is she shitposting
When Madoka told all the other girls at school how weird she is, and because she's autistic.
Yeah, but, well, it's still hot. If you want to be pessimistic as some like to be, you could say Homura can't go anywhere near Madoka without risking re awakening her. Or that she's permanently separated her connection by giving back the ribbons she had.
Not to mention all the people who consider Madoka absolute good, Homura absolute evil, and what Homura did as literal rape, and call the new world mass mind rape or something silly.
I want to make tender love with Mami under the sheets while holding hands in the missionary position and after proper marriage.
That picture of Homura is so weird. It manages to be extremely lewd without being lewd at all. I don't get it.
Hotels are lewd.
I think you might be just be a pervert.
It's the index finger and the gaze.
>Rebellion still keeps 1st place at Amazon Japan and HMV's BD/DVD chart
This was a pretty nice thread, albeit a bit depressing at times.
>posting an image of Madokami
>she'll repeatedly rape Sayaka and then remove the memories of it
Maybe she's thinking lewd thoughts about raping Sayaka
Homu pics without her stockings infuriates me.
>I'm the melon
>Dividing melon brings sweet dreams
>PNG 3 times as big as identical JPG
well I guess that answers that
You'd want to use "know," not "knoweth."
>mfw Kyousuke was gay with Nakazawa the whole time
as expected of Sayaka considering dicks
Yeah, real sweet dreams all right. I want my money back.
Now if a site that won't require me to go to the bank to exchanged my USD for JPY, I'd pick it up too.
>And the dream tonight is a bitter one
Sayaka considering larger dicks makes for a larger filesize.
Hurry the fuck up Aniplex USA, I want to get your Animate Shop bonuses like the wallscroll that came with 1-2.
How long did they take last year? Fells like it wasn't this long.
Are you sure? I'm sorely tempted to get a preorder in somewhere else, but if there's anything like last time I want to get the translation pamphlets and stuff.
Does Amazon get bitchy at cancelled preorders like AmiAmi does?
What's not happening? Animate bonuses or an Aniplex USA release?
Pretty sure Amazon doesn't give much a shit about cancellations, given they even give you the option to up until it ships. No problem going ahead and preordering from them just in case AoA isn't importing them (unlikely, but possible).
And what makes you think that?
My dad works at Aniplex.