Damn, this anime was pretty damn good. Shinsekai Yori thread please?
waht have u done with my country globaliation
Yakomaru deserved it.
Sqealer did nothing wrong.
It's name was Yakomaru.
Worst anime, got good when they got lost in the woods as kids, then they returned and timeskipped to being gay.
2/10 because reasons.
including being such a homophobe you can't stand 2 scenes of gay kissing?
Nah, I watched it completely.
It was pretty bad, full of quality and boring as hell.
Watched it because of a bet. The gay part came just as a surprise, but I didn't mind it. Perhaps it could have had more yuri and less yaoi
>It was pretty bad
The writing and story were both great. The quality was noticable, but other parts had fantastic animation. I can't argue against the fact that you found it boring, but that doesn't make it bad.
It's really one of the best anime in the recent years. Too bad you didn't like it.
I found the art and animation to be amazing. The CG was obviously shit but overall I really liked the character designs and background art etc. The music was great too. Then of course theres the 10/10 plot.
Excellent worldbuilding, extremely good concepts, and characters were just good enough to not ruin it at all. Easily a 10/10 show in my opinion.
Squealer was wrong, and here's why.
Squealer said that queerats were humans. Let's assume that we all agree to that. Humans are wiped out, and queerats take over the world. What happens? The exact same thing that happened to the original humans.
The only reason Squealer was able to progress to the point where he could take power was the fake Minoshiro he must've found and captured. Forbidden knowledge. Hidden away so that no one would do the same mistakes that humanity originally did. Yet Squealer willingly follows down the same path to destruction that humans did. Not only that, he uses this forbidden knowledge to turn a SAFEGUARD of this system on its head. He turns an innocent child into a mass murderer, just so that his kind can live a better life.
He proclaims that humans and queerats are equal. Even though that's objectively not true, he still decides to murder every single human in Japan. He's a hypocrite, a dictator and a morally crippled individual. The path of diplomacy would've served him and his kind better. But he lost the war, and because of that, the queerats will probably be surpressed for the rest of existence, or until they develop cantus of their own.
Oh, forgot to mention that both the eds were fucking perfect. That second one.... so good.
Squealer was a monster
I loved the music as well. The ED is the most memorable I've ever heard. I didn't like the track that used the error sound of Windows XP as a metronome or something. The track that came on in suspenseful situations.
Not to mention he was a lying cunt and should've died to the queen in like ep3.
Not to mention the best fanbase of 2013.
>The path of diplomacy would've served him and his kind better.
Because history has shown that peace and the end of oppression are always easy to achieve with diplomacy, right?
Squealer was a pragmatic, he did what was necessary to achieve his goals. He didn't care about "right", or "wrong" and neither did the humans.
What would have been smart for Squealer to do would have been to genetically engineer queerats into humans again and then kill the cantus whores.
Probably because so many people dropped it early. And since only intelligent people kept watching, the fanbase became bearable.
>Liking a show makes a fanbase bad
Don't make me feel these feel please
Squealer got what he deserved.
They will never be a happy family
Squealer picked the quickest route to success. But as the anime suggests, it would just turn into a cycle. QUeerats would develop cantus, and the exact same thing would happen again.
Furthermore, he lost. He couldn't predict that. His chances were excellent. As he said himself, he lost to a cheap trick. But that's what happened. If he had decided to go with diplomacy instead, the queerats would've been better off. I see why Squealer did what he did, but he made the wrong decision, and all queerats in the vicinity of Kamisu 66 suffered because of him.
The artists who made those pictures are horrible, horrible people.
[obligatory ignorant comment based on the gay kissing]
I agree minus the "successful diplomacy" part. Pic related, it's the ethics committee's face when Squealer presents his proposal for equal queerat treatment.
They were the only ones in the series who deserved happiness.
I know that diplomacy would be a futile effort on the queerats' part, but that doesn't change the fact that improving the standing of a different race (species in this case) is a long and bumpy road. People like Saki would probably not have been against better treatment of queerats, and Shisei seemed like a very rational guy. I don't doubt for a second that extended talks between queerats and humans would've resulted in a better agreement for queerats sooner or later.
Yes, as he stated himself the only reason for him being wrong is the fact that he lost. However from a purely rational point of view, diplomacy wouldn't have been the best solution. In fact he just became to overconfident and thus made a crucial and stupid mistake in letting the child attack Kiromaru. He held all the cards, he would've just needed to wait more patiently and he would have won almost for sure. That would've been the best possible solution for him.
>not every peaceful queerat
>not the queerat queens
>not Saki's parents
Short term, that would've resulted in queerats not having to live in fear of humans. But their lives wouldn't change much. The queerats were largely self regulated. Only big events like war required the involvement of humans.
In the long run, queerats would've become "humans" themselves. And they would probably have developed cantus themselves.
In the end, the "real" evil is cantus itself. Shin Sekai Yori shows us what happens when a limited number of individuals with extremely destructive powers are too pushy on another group of people. It can be parallelled pretty well with nuclear weapons, although the entire retaliation-aspect of Squealer doesn't fit completely.
Didn't the red headed kid also wipe out Kiromaru's army? Was she just blindfolded and didn't see herself wiping out queerats? This part has always confused me.
It was never really stated that the "fiend" killed the queerats during the war. We know that she stripped the enemy of their weapons, and that Kiroumaru managed to run past her without getting blown up. That suggests that her only involvement was removing the weapons. How else would the enemy general manage to get away safely?
She never actually killed anything. Just disarmed them all as was stated like 10 times.
And now I am sad.
Wait so did squealer actually kill those two and kidnap the kid or did they just die on their own?
Squealer did far far worse than kill them. He forced them to mate until she got pregnant. Then he cut off their limbs to send back to the village as proof that they were dead. They kept them alive and drugged for a while in case the kid was stillborn and they needed to try again.
You are kidding right? Please tell me you are kidding ;_;
I just finished it recently too, but I have a couple of questions: if Maria's kid has death feedback from the queerrats, then how'd she kill the entire queerrat army?
Also, why didn't they just get someone to sacrifice themselves and kill Maria's kid?
MORE LIKE SHIT-SEKAI YAOI
SHIT SHOW, KILL YOURSELF
>why didn't they just get someone to sacrifice themselves and kill Maria's kid?
It's extremely difficult if not downright impossible for a person with death feedback to actually kill another person. The only time we see it happen was an accident IIRC and the guy immediately keeled over.
Didn't the Squealer just send queerat bones in place of the remains because he said "our bone structures are similar" or something to that effect
>I just finished it recently too, but I have a couple of questions: if Maria's kid has death feedback from the queerrats, then how'd she kill the entire queerrat army?
She took their weapons and they were massacred by the other army.
>Also, why didn't they just get someone to sacrifice themselves and kill Maria's kid?
The death feedback thing is even stronger in the secondary characters. It'd be hard for them to attack at all directly.
At least they had to send SOMETHING from their real corpses since their DNA was verified.
It's not just death feedback, theres that attack inhibition thing too.
But then Tomiko said the shit about how the bones/teeth were thoroughly examined and everything checked out. Either she lied or Squealer killed them and sent their bones.
Fuck off retards
Squealer was a human
Just like you and me
Mmm good call I had forgotten about that, interesting point
Good concept, everything else about the show was absolute shit.
That's untrue. We don't really know what happened to Maria and Mamoru, but we know that they were killed shortly after Maria gave birth. It's most likely that they were left alone until right after childbirth, as the lobotomy that the queerats practiced robbed the victim of all muscle control. Mating would be difficult at that point.
Furthermore, the queerats probably sent the entire skeleton of both Maria and Mamoru. Tomiko-sama commented on how their dental records matched perfectly, so they would've needed the jaw as well. Cutting off the jaw and assorted bones would kill them outright anyways, so they were probably just killed. I addition, the DNA of both skeletons matched that of Maria of Mamoru, so they were the actual remains they left behind after being killed.
Even the soundtrack?
I have deduced that you have shit taste, /a/non.
Not a whole lot is actually confirmed, as I can recall, now that I think about it. It's interesting, because there's a range of scenarios from best to worst case. The BEST case scenario is that they actually lived happily in a queerat den for a while, willingly gave up bones and teeth because the understood the need for genetic deception, and probably died after a while due to infection or disease. The worst case scenario is what I described, and a lot of possibilities in the middle exist.
Nope. Butthurt fanboy.
But Saki and Satoru were only gone for like a week or so, right? And when they got back, shouldn't Squealer have already told Tomiko about the deaths of Maria and Mamouru by the bones. So how could Maria have given birth in that short amount of time?
>gave up bones and teeth
They would've needed both the upper and lower jaw to match dental records.
Oh, that's a good point, and eliminates a good portion of the possibilities I listed in:
The problem is that the queerats sent the skeletons relatively soon after right? Or am I forgetting. I know they "waited" until they "died in an avalanche" but I don't remember how soon that alleged event took place.
I agree, it was excellent, OP. Not flawless, but incredibly good.
Who would be butthurt over one person calling a good show shit without listing a single reason?
>willingly gave up bones and teeth
Thank god.... the anime was depressing enough as it is...
Also, about that lobotomy thing, I feel like they mentioned that somewhere in the anime but I can't remember when. Was it in reference to the queen or something?
Yea they gave their queens lobotomies to live in a pseudo democracy
We don't really know what transpired when during the time skip. For all we know, Saki and Satoru only said that they couldn't find them, and Maria and Mamoru managed to dodge the copycats for a year or two. The "fiend" must've been at least ten years old during the attack, so Maria and Mamoru would've had at max two years to make sweet lovin'. We know that copycats aren't very effective against cantus users. Especially when there's two of them.
It happened sometime during the 12 year time skip. We don't know exactly when, but it was probably after a year or two. Sadly, it wasn't covered in the anime.
Best 4chan banner of all time. OF ALL TIME.
Squealer a shit.
Honestly, one of the only things that bugged me about SSY is that Maria's reason for leaving seemed rather hastily thought out. I understand that she cared for Mamoru and thought the government really sucked, but is it enough to justify leaving Saki and potentially having her and Mamoru both die?
10/10 show but it's definitely not flawless
the animation sucks monkey balls
Oh right, thanks.
>We know that copycats aren't very effective against cantus users
Is this true? I thought they were used to kill fiends/karma demons. If they are weak to cantus users wouldn't that kind of make them useless? Or am I not understanding their purpose properly?
I thought the animation was alright. QUALITY moments here and there. The art style on the other hand...
The animation is very good.
They were primarily used to abduct/kill problematic children I believe. I don't remember Shun having any problem killing them, anyway.
no, it's not. If this had a proper budget we will be talking of a classic masterpiece here.
Well Im assuming she didn't intend on dying and she thought she could live peacefully with whatever children they conceive as apposed to being betrayed by squelah. Plus she said multiple times that if she went back to the village, it would only be a matter of time before she was picked off as well.
I think they were more for eliminating problem children before they became problems, in a way that wouldn't inflict the death of shame.
There was that "good luck" charm and his dog, which may have given him an unfair advantage though
this comment is in every single fucking SSY thread. I'm pretty sure it's just one guy trolling every time
Can anyone explain what actually happened with pic related? The only thing I didn't get with SSY.
Saki killed one easily after getting over the shock of meeting one out of nowhere.
>no, it's not. If this had a proper budget we will be talking of a classic masterpiece here.
Story presentation (lol infodumps) and characters were utter dogshit. Plus those ugly character designs. Only 14 year olds would think this turd could ever be a masterpiece.
He wanted and tried to kill a human being and died because of that
The thing about their society is that it is based on love and empathy. Maria couldn't leave Mamoru alone because they were friends. Friendships in Shin Sekai Yori go pretty deep, as seen when everyone went homolust towards each other. That, along with how she disliked the system of the village, how certain people were killed off, made her decide to stay behind.
>Also, why didn't they just get someone to sacrifice themselves and kill Maria's kid?
The moment you commit yourself to kill is when you gets killed from the inside.
The only thing you could do is hold off the kid while she tried to kill you.
There really was nothing you can do about the kid, it truly was a weapon that could not be beaten.
That's not it.
The fiend killed him outright. He couldn't do anything against it, as cantus isn't suited for defense. Furthermore, two cantus signals can't connect to the same target without "creating a dangerous environment", as said in episode 2 or so, so he could hardly do anything to prevent it.
With the good luck charm that Shun gave her though. Killing it was easy, seeing as she had powers. Not getting killed was only possible because it bit that charm thing instead of her neck
The pseudo-fiend killed him with subconscious cantus attacks, which she can probably do because she never got the whole hypnosis treatment and conditioning, which are impossible to defend against.
..at least that's what I think.
For a second I thought that was some CARNIVAL DA YO.
Opps, sorry then.
The anime wasn't too suited for a weekly release schedule, but that's hardly problematic when you watch it at your own pace.
And how were the characters bad, exactly?
shun was unstoppable, his cantus would automatically destroy anything that could harm the body(like how it detoxified the poison on a molecular level)
i thought one of the most well-executed parts about the ending is how we never knew where kiroumaru's true allegiance lied until the very end. At least for me, I was never sure if he was going to eventually lead them into a trap or if he was really on their side, from the moment they questioned him and squealer after they found out about kiroumaru's army's crushing defeat, until the very end. It was quite well done and it really kept me on my toes. Godspeed Kiroumaru you magnificent bastard. You died a warrior's death.
The most important question remains unanswered.
Was the kid a boy or a girl?
So in the end this guy died for nothing.
In fact... because of him, humans went from slaves to mole rat slaves ;_;.
this, also i loved how although everyone knew squealer was a cunning little fuck they could never find any actual proof. although this could partly be because the humans didn't really care about the changes in his colony and never took their wars seriously
It was a boy in the novel.
The anime changed it into a girl for some reason.
His constant smirks certainly didn't help.
How the fk did he die anyway? Never understood that.
The novel goes a bit more into detail about the Cantus Empires.
It was not because of him alone.
Are you sure about that? The way I remember it was that they thought it was a boy until the very end, when it was revealed that it was a girl.
He killed himself, just like the karma demon in the stories they were told. He was crushed by roots, if I remember correctly. It was in episode 11 or something, but I can't bother to check.
Another explanation is that squealer is like reddit SRS, demanding that the humans apologize for crimes that were commited by their ancestors.
You know those annoying niggers who act like lazy idiots and think the white man owes him everything because his great great grandfather was a slave? Squealer.
He deserved what he got.
>Another explanation is that squealer is like reddit SRS
Except, you know, Squealer himself was a slave too.
The art in this anime was so beautiful... even with the low budget and shitty CG, I will always remember this anime for the stunning visuals.
And god damn Saki is the prettiest girl to come out of anime ever.
You don't say
? The anime looked really shitty, was this your first cartoon?
What are you talking about... Cantus users robbed the queerrats of their humanity and dignity... They have to call them "gods" for fucks sake. I'm pretty sure that's a justifiable enough reason to want to rebel against the people who did it to you.
i thought queerats just called them gods on their own will, because of the humans' powers. Kind of like the mayans did with the spanish. Were they actually forced to call them that? I don't remember
There was some bizarre shit in that anime.
Like that.. and her nightmare later.
Saki seems generally prone to surreal trips.
Wasn't Saki told to stay away from queerats as a child because the queerats only revere those who have activated their powers?
I remember something to that effect, can't remember what exactly it was, though.
>yfw queerrats probably thought humans were crazy beautiful despite looking nothing like queerrats and didn't know why, leading to more "These are gods" lines of reasoning
yes i remember that too. So since they only revere those with powers that would go to show that they weren't really forced to worship cantus users, they just did it for butt-kissing
Yes that's correct,
I started reading the novel only to get to the handjob scene.
What an utter disappointment.
That's also how Squealer started to doubt them, as he heard Saki saying once that she can't use cantus.
Uhhh what. Who was doing it to who? Was it more homolust?
Can we at least agree that Satoru became top tier husbando material?
>The art in this anime was so beautiful
You must have shit in your eyes.
Saki gives a handjob (or it was a blowjob?) to Satoru while being prisoners by the queerats
They weren't forced. The queerats weren't even forced to do labour. They were contracted. The queerats weren't slaves.
He always was. Runty kids are the ones that become strong alpha males.
They cut that scene short in the anime. Nothing happened other than awkward touching and looks.
Oh yea I remember that. Did she actually go through with it in the novel? In the anime she just kind of gave up.
i don't think him burying himself at the bottom of a lake like the story would kill him. but rather make isolate himself so his leaking cantus wouldn't affect a large area/people like it did in the area where Saki finds him
Oh, where in the anime she just turns away lamely and says "We're not monkeys"?
>you will never fight alongside kiroumaru
What's the deal with Kiroumaru anyway? He looks a billion times better than any other queerat. He's the closest a queerat can get to sexy.
>Kiromaru will never have your back
"It’s been about an hour since we entered the cage, but the sentry was still glaring suspiciously at us. It met my eyes and turned away, but looked back toward us soon after.
“Ignore it. It’s just a stupid queerat,” Satoru said, putting his arm around my waist.
“But, somehow…hey, what are you doing?” I directed the second half of my sentence toward Satoru.
“Your nerves are probably all frazzled, right? I’ll help you relax,” he said, leaning over me stiffly. The light behind him hid his face in shadows, but I could still see his eyes glittering brightly.
“Okay. I’ll do it. Just lie back,” I put my hand on his chest."
>Kiromaru will never die for you
Chest rubs are delicious.
Satoru stopped moving. I felt his heart beating through his T-shirt. I smiled, and slowly pushed him over.
The pale moonlight illuminated his face as I ran the back of my hand gently down his cheek. Satoru closed his eyes, and kept contentedly still, like a pet cat.
When I cupped his face in my hands and kissed his forehead, Satoru buried his face in my chest.
I caressed him gently from his neck to his wrist, to his torso.
Until now, we never had a chance to touch each other like this. But our usual interactions, snapping and teasing each other, were all expressions of love.
Satoru was completely hard now. Until now, I’ve only had experiences with girls, so I didn’t know what to do with a boy. When I touched him through his jeans, I could feel its heat and pulsation through the thick material. What was I supposed to do?
i've always wondered that too... I don't know why he looks different than all other queerats
I tried to bide my time by running my hands over Satoru’s inner legs, squeezing his butt, but he grabbed my hand and put it on his genitals.
I undid the button and unzipped his jeans. He was so hard that it looked like his boxers were about to rip.
Once again I caressed his most sensitive part. This time, I could see its size and shape much more clearly through the thin material of his boxers. I thought it was interesting that it looked almost alive, reacting to my touch like a little pet.
Suddenly, the false minoshiro’s words echoed in my ears.
“When stress among members of a group arise, bonobos will relieve it through intimate sexual contact. Mature males and females engage in sexual intercourse, and immature individuals or individuals of the same sex will rub their genitals together in an imitation of intercourse. This prevents conflicts and maintains order within the group…”
No. We’re not monkeys.
I shook my head, trying to drive away unneeded thoughts.
But. There were strict rules in the Code of Ethics regarding sexual acts between boys and girls, almost to the point of being forbidden. But something just one step away from it, that is, contact between two people of the same sex, was allowed, even encouraged. Why is that?
“The first step was to have frequent physical contact. Hand holding, hugging, and cheek-kissing. The second step was to encourage contact between opposite and same sexes from childhood to puberty. The idea was to make it a habit to use sexual play, and the ensuing orgasms, to dispel tensions between people. And the third step was to encourage free sex among mature humans.”
If what the false minoshiro said was true, then all of this was just something created to protect our society…
“What’s wrong?” Satoru asked, because I had suddenly stopped moving.
“This time, let me do it,” he said, groping me.
Satoru probably thought he was being gentle, but he was actually tickling me. I squirmed and threw my head back. Then I felt a pair of eyes drilling into me. The sentry. It stared unblinkingly at us.
Yakomaru got off too easy, he didn't deserve Death. He deserved the torture.
It's like I'm reading fan fiction!!
Everyone is forgetting the scene where someone says a young queerrat's bones are virtually indistinguishable from a young cantus users bones. I forget now why it came up, but that was the moment where you find out Squeeler killed a queerrat to fake finding the bodies of the runaways. I think it was following a scene emphasizing the way queerrats would sacrifice their own kind for the greater cause.
It's something everyone asks about but I thought it was obvious the first time through. Maybe I have to watch it a third time but I felt it was heavily implied that those were queerrat bones.
But the DNA and dental records matched those of Maria and Mamoru. They couldn't have faked that with queerat bones.
it's the real thing.
>Maybe I have to watch it a third time but I felt it was heavily implied that those were queerrat bones.
But they weren't. Why would he go and kill his own species to save two humans, when his entire goal is queerrat liberation? He lied about sending queerrat bones, instead waiting until the two had a child and then killing them to both take care of the bone problem and raise a monster. There was even a scene with one of the higherups confirming the DNA matches
no one is forgetting it, squealer was just lying to Saki when he told her that, it wasn't only bones but DNA from teeth that identified them as mamoru and maria, its 100% them
At least it's not 50 Shades of Gay.
Never mind I'm an idiot.
I thought they did that later for some reason.
My day is ruined now.
If the Cantus users looked alien/non human, and the rats looked human, everyone would have sympathized with the rats.
Was just killed by the Fiend.
To show just how powerless the Cantus society was against the invasion.
The Fiend was clearly inexperienced and a child. Thus, like a child, it took it a little while to figure out the puzzle of how to break him.
I doubt it. We're given a very shrewd image of the situation. We don't get to see anything from the queerats' point of view. If the anime was nothing but queerats being harassed and killed off, I don't doubt that there'd be a lot more Squealer apologists.
SPACE DANDY FUCKER
>>/co/ is that way
I wonder why this is so appealing.
Despite how much the show wanted to shove the Maria/Saki pairing down my throat I never felt it.
Mamoru had practically no presence throughout the show, and what little he had was pathetic, and yet I could imagine no one else for Maria.
>If the Cantus users looked alien/non human, and the rats looked human, everyone would have sympathized with the rats.
It really wouldn't have made a difference. I already sympathize with the queerrats, I just think that Squealer was a cunt. I agree with his goal, but not how he tried to achieve it and it would have been the exact same had their situations been reversed.
>Squealer said that queerats were humans.
Except they were. Didn't you watch the whole anime?
It doesnt matter if Squealer was right or wrong.
What matters is his objective. His objective was to be equal to us humans and not get his colony destroyed.
How can you possible say that he is wrong? Its like saying that if I kill a man in self defence, Im wrong. Even tho he would have killed me if I didnt kill him first.
You cant tell if someone is right or wrong. Only if something is less worse than the other.
I feel like he's eye-fucking me whenever I saw that picture.
It is supremely unsettling.
Are you retarded? Or are you just trying to stir up some rage?
because despite everything, you can tell that mamoru and maria genuinely cared about one another. even if maria loved Saki she still chose to be with mamoru in the end, and mamoru loved maria since episode 1
Anti-SSY makes me laugh.
His goal was right but how he tried to achieve it was wrong.
Change isn't a process that can be rushed. It has to be slow, so people can come to accept it. You can't just say "Queer rats are people" and expect people to buy it, you go slow over a couple hundred years little by little. He was a villain, a villain with a just cause but a villain nonetheless
That's not a perfect analogy. It would be better to say that Squealer shot to kill against someone who had a concealed gun, but he was unsure whether if it was going to be fired at him.
>Squealer uses sneaky bullshit to beat him in battle
>he gets the last laugh and outwits him
>implying being a villain is bad
Arent humans then the true villains? Turning those humans that didnt have cantus into querats? And then making them our slaves.
This series really was goddamn great. I kind of want to watch it again, possibly the bluray version this time.
Does anyone know how much has changed? Is it worth it to look for a bluray batch, or should I just get the UTW torrent?
Wow, that's so deep bro.
Think of that yourself?
True. And this is what all the people ITT need to realize. These queerats were fucking afraid of the humans. Even the most loyal of them(Kiromaru) made precautions towards humans.
But what defines a villain? He was only a villain if you look at him through the eyes of a human who doesn't know of the past. He was a hero to other queerrats and he was a martyr to the people who know the truth.
Let's get this straight. Humans weren't turned into queerats. Their genes were modified, so that their descendants became queerats. Queerats aren't human, and they never were human. Their ancestors were, but our ancestors were monkeys, so don't even start that argument.
Furthermore, the queerats weren't slaves. They were contracted to do physical labour sometimes, but only certain colonies were allowed to do so.
At least that's how the anime and novel portrays it.
what if the queerats looked like shit because we were seeing them from the perspective of cantus users? what if they looked just like us and it's the cantus users who look different/more beautiful but because we're seeing everything from their perspective they are the ones who look "normal"?
You can't blame the son for the sins of the father, you faggot.
UTW had a blueray batch last I checked, but I didn't download it. I was already too far into the series, and my internet is pretty slow. Didn't want to wait so long for the continuation.
No, the queerats look nothing like humans. It's an important plot point. They were changed so that they wouldn't trigger death feedback upon being killed.
Only for the first 3 episodes or something like that, according to nyaa anyways.
He was a villain. He massacred innocent people, he raised a human into a monster in order to use him like a tool.
Don't give me this shades of gray morality bullshit. Humans massacring queerrat tribes isn't justified either, but at least they didn't try to wipe out their entire race
fine... i was just going for the mind explosion moment out of my ass
Let's get this straight. Humans weren't turned into cantus users. Their genes were mutated, so that their descendants became cantus users. Cantus users aren't human, and they never were human. Their ancestors were, but our ancestors were monkeys, so don't even start that argument.
Furthermore, the Cantus Users weren't slavers. They contracted others to do physical labour, assassinate their children sometimes, played moderator to their wars rather than prevent them, didn't share their knowledge or help them with their powers, etc.
At least that's how the anime and novel portrays it.
The difference between humans vs monkeys and humans vs queerats is that queerats were still as intelligent as us humans. The difference was cantus. That is the ground of this entire discussion if queerats should/shouldnt have equal rights as us humans.
>Furthermore, the queerats weren't slaves.
So why did the queerats feel like to set themself free then? Alright, they werent literally slaves. But they were oppressed by humans.
You sound like the type of faggot who belongs in /lgbt/ or on tumblr.
They do, but it seems to only include episodes 2-16.
Does anyone know why?
>his name's Squealer
The one good thing in this show.
He died covered in feces and blood but he died smiling.
While an interesting thought at first, it's a pretty simple one once you think about it
That's why the show was good. And you still get nice threads like this(seems more recently).
Lots of perspectives and ways to look at things
Well played. Not the guy you are arguing with but I'd say you won this battle. 10/10 anon.
>Humans weren't turned into cantus users
But they were. Overnight. The first cantus user apeared overnight and fucked shit up. More and more appeared after that.
>Cantus Users weren't slavers
Cool. We agree.
>didn't share their knowledge
In order to keep the world away from what it used to be. Look at how the queerats became after aquiring some of that knowledge. A militaristic dictatorship longing for world domination.
>set themself free
They were trying to free themselves from the fear of humans. A single human could kill every single queerat on his own. Of course they were scared.
>assassinate their children sometimes
Humans were pretty clear about their slaughter. They even had specific squads that dealt with it openly.
>played moderator to their wars rather than prevent them
The queerat culture was based around war and its spoils. Preventing them would be an insult towards queerats. They regulated them so that things didn't go out of hand, which they knew they would from experience.
Please think about what you say, even if it's supposed to be ironic.
>They even had specific squads that dealt with it openly.
No they didnt. That old lady at one points explains that they have brainwashed/hypnotized most of their population. Because of fear of a fiend/????(dont remember the other one).
You missed the point of what she said. The population isn't brainwashed as in mindless shells. They are hypnotized and brainwashed to enforce a certain behaviour that is required for the world to not fall to ruin because of cantus. How humans can't attack other humans? Hypnosis and brainwashing. Cleaning away memories of lost children from the kids? Hypnosis and brainwashing. Being unable to tell others your mantra? Hypnosis and brainwashing. That's what they did. They were molding the people into the persons they had to be. Nothing of value was lost.
So what is this supposed to mean?
W-what.. I think you are confused. The guy is arguing about queerrats, not humans being assassinated.
Forgot to mention something. It's more like indoctrination than hypnosis or brainwashing.
I think it means "The power of imagination is what changes everything".
I am no expert in japanese so I may be wrong but I think that is what it means.
Isn't that the slogan of Sage Academy or something?
nice one m8
The meaning behind the statement.
no, its mainly hypnosis, they say that multiple times in the anime, the scene with Saki and the fire is the main one. the fact that they can "seal" their cantus is just a jedi mind trick
Cantus requires mental images to do specific tasks. That's why some people are good at tasks others fail at. Saki was fixing pottery, Mamoru was making pictures, Satoru was making mirrors and Maria was bouncing like a bunny. Since your imagination is the only limit to the mental images you create, I guess it has something to do with that or something.
Yeah, but how they mold their kids into being touchy feely with their friends, and how same sex relationships are the norm until later in life is more akin to indoctrination. Hypnosis was used in certain circumstances, brainwashing was used to set up certain walls in the minds of humans.
>the power of imagination is what changes everything
>in the end, nothing changes and while Saki and Satoru (who is already raising the next generation of cats) seem determined, you just know nothing is going to happen
Was this an intentional final fuck you or did the message sail over my head?
That's why Saki recorded the events of the anime/novel/whatever. So that humans could learn from it and improve their society. Change shouldn't be too sudden.
Didn't those two get killed, and their child taken.
You don't have to rub it in, anon ;_;
It's the very last scene in the show, so it should mean something having to do with the overall show.
The only thing I can see is it could be showing the irony in their society. They encourage people to use their imagination, but punish those who go too far or deviate from the norm, like Shu and Mamoru (though i don't really remember why mamoru was going to be punished).
At the same time, with Satoru and Saki at the end still attempting to fix the society despite all the things that happened, it could also be expressing that even if society attempts to oppress you, nothing will be changed unless you continue to imagine and in-effect attempt to change what is wrong.
Maybe I'm just reading into it too much. I just don't see why else they would throw that in there as the final shot of the show unless it means something.
Damn why are SSY threads so good? The only fan base on /a/ that isn't composed of idiotic 14 year olds.
As long as we stay away from Squealer, we don't see much shit being flung either.
cause any argument against SSY is LOL HOMO or QUALITY(which fans agree) rather than anything really important like plot, writing, characters etc.
I agree with you, but please stop saying this, lest we get overrun by idiots. It'll probably happen some day.
What? Im enjoying these debates about the morality of Squealer's actions and I wish more anime threads would have these kinds of discussions.
Nah I doubt those people would pick up SSY since there is a "holy barrier" that protects us from them, and that is the homolust in episode 8. They all drop it after that.
Probably because 14yo's doesnt realize the importance of social value within a society. And even those that oppose it, are mature enough to discuss it.
The society they live in is a bit like that saying about democracy. "Democracy is not a good way to lead a country, but it's the best we've found so far." In order to fix their society, the humans need to think outside the box. They can't just get rid of cantus, and it will corrupt the surrounding land if precautions aren't made.
So, imagination is what changes everything, but the humans haven't been able to think up anything that can improve their society just yet.
We've been lucky the last few weeks. We've had quite a few good threads, but there I've seen some threads where two individuals are bashing each other without covering any ground at all with their arguments.
>yfw the creators of the show put it in on purpose so it'd filter out the bigots and the idiots who can't get past it from the fanbase
Redownloading as I type.
Could anyone remind me what the clay statue tournament episode was for? I don't remember it playing any role in the story besides showing one guy who'd be disappeared later on.
There is that one guy who goes in every thread with 'Shitsekai Yaoi' or whatever. I remember a screencap of a bunch of his posts that were basically identical a few weeks back.
It was in like episode 2, it was still just building the atmosphere or something like that.
it's amazing how butthurt some people get
yea i think >>100441274 is right
It's one of many tests to recognize potential problem children.
Remember the infodump.
>if Maria's kid has death feedback from the queerrats, then how'd she kill the entire queerrat army?
I'm sure it's a troll or something, but I'll do it anyway.
The kid never saw the queerats. He was just ordered to fling tons of shit in a certain direction over the hill to kill the "enemies"
>besides showing one guy who'd be disappeared later on.
Nobody cares or remembers Amano Reiko or whatever her name was. I think getting rid of useless people is ok.
No that wasnt it. They said that the queerat army died without any weapons at all. Ergo, she destroyed the weapons then the other army killed them.
>I think getting rid of useless people is ok.
Thats just bad man.
From what I understand, basically it's literal on how imagination is so powerful. If you think about it, nearly every single problem in the show is caused by cantus, the power that stems from the imagination. And also a lot of the show is about uncovering the secrets of how all the internal government works and trying to fix the problems that arise, so only if you have powerful imagination and curiosity could you find out how to really solve the problems, which the show leaves completely open-ended.
I'm glad I didn't watch this anime when it was airing, and waited until the BDs were out to marathon it in the comfort of my living room. /a/ would have ruined my enjoyment of this anime for me, like they did for Yosuga no Sora with their retarded insistence on the death ending.
uhm...What are some shows that I shouldnt watch after watching this piece of crap anime?
It's not that the useless people were killed. The people who posed a danger to society, and as a result the world, had to be taken out preemptively.
You probably won't like Nagi no Asukara, please stay out of those threads as well.
Its just a matter of time before a fiend/karma demon appears again.
Ok, so I definetly wont watch that show. Got anything else that I shouldnt watch? Ive heard Dragonaut is terrible.
You have to remember that this aired at the same time as SAO, thus all of the 14 year olds were busy watching and shitting there.
What gender was Maria's kid anyway some of the subs said boy and then one episode said girl.
I'm on episode 12 or so right now... and, let me get this straight, f/a/ggots, this thing only goes down hill from here? Do I have nothing better to look forward to than hopeless dilemmas, bitter suffering, Faustian bargains, frustrating circumstances, and nonsexual mindbreak?
In source material male, in anime female
They thought it was a boy but it turned out to be a girl. In the novel I think it was always a boy.
Fiends could reliably be kept away it seemed. Karma demons could be dealt with after they appeared. But killing is bad. That's why Saki wished for a better society.
Nope. It's only getting better going forward, anon. Keep watching.
>thing only goes down hill from here
What? Who told you that? The anime only picks up after the homolust.
I found out about SSY on /u/ of all places, but I skipped out of the threads until episode 10-11, so I missed most of the >when will queerrat wars end? >episode 5 >ShitSekai Yaoi.
Shit up until the last 5-6 episodes.
It's a typical ending to a dystopian novel, which this anime was based on.
See: the ending to 1984, brave new world, etc.
Episode 12 aired at the same time as the finale of SAO. SSY was A1's backroom project, so practically all the SSY staff was shunted to do SAO's final, hence why it looks like shit.
That last episode was far better than the rest.
Friendly reminder squealer did everything wrong.
It's from the manga.
Beautiful girls should not die like this.