Probably one of the most brutal fights ever put in an anime. Seriously, for DBZ to suddenly get real like this felt like Toriyama was suffering some really bad depression when making it.
That was pretty cool.
I recall this fight traumatized a friend I had, who ended up later growing up to getting turned on by it.
Your friend gets turned on by qt tomboys getting beaten nearly to death?
The entire Buu Saga was nothing but maximum edge.
I guess some people enjoy it
More of big muscular veiny men dominating women
It's a case where the usual anime padding makes a completely different thing: a reader just reads a bunch of pages at his own pace of Spopovitch pummeling Videl but then the anime turns it into 20 full minutes of something that looks more like weird fetish porn.
Nah, bitch deserved it. How many chances she had to give up, but out of stubbornness didn't? Fuck her. And fuck the audience white knight faggoting for her. Oh no a woman being hurt! Waaa waaaah!!"
>those doujinshi/artbooks dedicated entirely to this and fantasies of other DB girls being fetishistically brutalized
I wouldn't be so surprised if I were you.
You'd be upset too if a MMA match turned into a slow rape with no referees.
The problem is there is no issue or controversy if its a rape of a man. After all male rape is a joke and to be laughed at. A woman getting raped? Oh no castrate her rapist!
Fuck the doubles-standards. Its why we get stupid double-standards in anime like female characters abuses males and the male faggot takes it. And if he ever hits a bitch back who is SUPPOSED TO BE HIS FRIEND BTW, the guy is seen like a batterer to be beaten down by White Knight Cock Sucking Faggots.
Nothing compared to Saint Seiya where people get their limbs cut or Hokuto no ken where heads explode and people get crushed alive.
I was so happy when he died deshonored and betrayed.
Gohan was slapping Cell Jr's apart so badly in the manga then had to turn it into generic dust explosions and light effects.
I would love it if in an anime, a bitch rages and punches a guy, the guy punches her back. White knight faggots interfere and the main guy beats the white knight faggots nearly to death. Usually the male character who gets beat on by women is the MAIN character who is the one with the powers and chosen one. So why would white knight faggots want to fuck with a guy that's stronger than them? I would have the main guy show he's the strongest and make white knight faggots so scared they would eat their own severed testicles. And afterwards beat the bitch harder for making him have to deal with white knight faggots.
I can't remember it.
What was so brutal about it?
*into generic dust explosions and light effects in the anime
I didn't think it was brutal as much as slightly disturbing and maybe sexual.
Non-human. No one cares about what's done to non-humans.
It's still nothing compared to Hokuto no Ken. Are you even reading what people write?
>Seriously, for DBZ to suddenly get real like this felt like Toriyama was suffering some really bad depression when making it.
he really wanted to end dbz, but jump wouldn't let him
Mr. Satan became a good guy
Satan became a good guy
Yaoi. No one cares about what's done in fujoshit anime.
>waah illusions where someone gets their head cut off maybe
>or people constantly falling on their face
Saint Seiya isn't shit.
The manga is nowhere as over the top in the gore factor then the anime which goes on to exaggerate it.
Didn't he receive death threats when he said he wanted to quit?
Absolutely false. He continued to write for the same reason modern shonen artists still write, for money.
He could quit if he wanted to.
>You really like Videl? You think she'll be a good fighter? Well fuck you. Enjoy her getting beaten to a pulp, and she'll never fight again.
Christ, what an embarrassing post.
Nope. Internet rumor bullshit.
I mean, it's not like a normal human could have competed with the main cast at that point in the series anyways.
We're not starting this argument again folks.
I'm still sad that the fight didn't end like this
The big guy wasn't only brutal, he was a real perverse psycho, that's what is rare when the opposant is a female. They can get beaten often in a fight, but tortured that way, it's really rare.
Saint Seiya in nutshell, courtesy of KlK.
It speaks the truth about the whole abusive female bitch friends archetype that anime likes to spam like a bunch of eunuch masochist cultural shit. Japan has an obsession with ABUSIVE FEMALE FRIEND archetype that is horribly unhealthy. In Japanese culture a woman using a knife and cutting off a guy's penis and balls is a formal greeting since Japan is one of the most emasculated cultures on the planet.
Point. Krillen supposedly had a power level of a million at that point, and it was absolutely nothing compared to all the aliens.
Still nothing compared to Yamcha having his leg crushed, or when he got impaled through the chest, or when he got his arm broken.
>a manga series and anime where people constantly fall on their face no matter the position they are hit by an opponent and their trajectory
>battle series where people bleed out despite getting love-tapped
Sure it was violent, but its not even remotely comparable to other 80's or 90's stuff, Dragon Ball and JoJo both featured far worse.
and at the end of the day
>I would love it if in an anime, a bitch rages and punches a guy, the guy punches her back.
Steins;Gate is the right anime for you.
The people who joke about male rape victims tend to be the same people who call female rape victims sluts.
I don't think anyone can top this retarded post in this thread. Any volunteers?
You inferring to the 1 minute where MC punches and kicks Moeka because she was a spy?
Oh no, I agree that it's awful how some female anime characters beat up undeserving male characters on a regular basis with little to no provocation.
That doesn't make your/his post any less pathetic though. If you think men should stand up for themselves, then I'll take your side on it, but if you just want to beat up women or whoever you want with some flimsy justification of "bitch deserved it" then I say fuck you. Abusing anyone is wrong, regardless of gender, and those kind of situations are better resolved with words than with more fighting.
It might work in a comedy though, where everyone heals instantly.
Is it ok when a girl beats up another girl though, right?
which tend to be the same people that are not residents of /a/: alpha males.
KAMILLE IS A MAN'S NAME
Camille is actually a boy's name in France
I'd beat up Haman too with my dick
Take your morals elsewhere, faggot
Why does this full contact martial arts tournament not feature weight classes or gender divisions? I mean a 5'0 135lb girl vs a 9ft 700lb roided out monster is going to lose every time.
Why is Kamille so shit?
Because old geezers are shooting fucking lazers beams.
Right, because /a/ is reserved for edgmeisters like yourself. Sad.
So the manlet Vegeta should get paired up with a bunch of kids then?
When you have magical martial arts and can fire blasts of energy that can blow up worlds, physical build is less relevant.
Unbalance x Unbalance anime when?
Too much retarded in one post. Someone would have to try pretty hard in order to top it.
What are you talking about? Even the strongest man in the world can't do that without using magic tricks, soon you're going to tell me that they can fly.
Not to take any side of this "argument," but there's really no need to discuss this in this thread in the first place. It all started because that guy sperged out about rape, double standards, and what not. You really think DBZ was making a gender statement with Videl getting beaten up? Seriously, take that shit elsewhere.
Illusions? Shura getting his arm cut off wasn't an illusion. Nor people getting burned alive in lava.
And I have the whole Hokuto no ken manga so you won't fool me.
Mr. Satan pls go.
>Abusing anyone is wrong, regardless of gender, and those kind of situations are better resolved with words than with more fighting.
Tell that to women who NEVER use words and are the ones who instantly turn to violence because they know males are brainwashed since childhood to not smack those cunts when they get nasty and violent? Hmm?
If this doesn't end in hate rape, then I'll be disappointed.
>vegita refuses to back down
"woah, saiyan prido"
>videl refuses to back down
"silly little girl, curb your ego"
I'm not saying they're wrong about the last part, though
This is the Dragon World. Kuririn could wreck this guy and he is like 5'2.
This thread makes me hard.
Let me ask you this, how can you prove that abusing people is inherently wrong?
Are you somehow implying that any child, saiyan or otherwise, could manage the muscle mass Vegeta had at that point? Yeah, that's not happening.
>Shura got his arm cut off
I never said that was an illusion. I'm talking about stupid shit like Saga and Ikki trying to mind-fuck each other using Genro Mao Ken and Gamma Ken against each other where you see Seiya with his head chopped off.
Both Kuramada's art style and the general tone of Saint Seiya is not particular "violent" or detailed enough to be comparable to DB or JJBA in terms of bloodiness.
>And I have the whole Hokuto no Ken manga so you won't fool me.
So do I, big deal. You are clearly either autistic or lack reading comprehension. I never said HnK wasn't gorey, I said the anime clearly exaggerates the gore factor vs the manga.
Pic related is from Souten no Ken. Which is a lot "bleaker" in the depiction of dismemberment and torture scenes then anything in Hokuto no Ken.
I actually was hoping that at some point during that fight, spopovitch would walk over to videls beaten body and just tear her panties off and fuck her right in front of everyone.
It can be proven if one accepts a moral system based on logic.
>Abuse decreases happiness
>Summum bonum is maximum happiness
>Therefore abuse is wrong.
What an idiotic thing to say.
when someone offers you millions of dollars, what would you say?
no, I don't want your money?
It's not about gender, you idiot. It the universal fighting spirit.
Because if Spopovich didn't have that majin power up from Babidi Videl woulda wrecked him just like Mr. Satan did to him in tournaments past.
Well, his networth is $45 million, so losing a million to get the chance at working on a new series which could also make you a ton of money isn't too far fetched.
Kid krillin and goku had no one defending them when they were getting brutalized.
Don't make me laugh anon, your subjective morals mean nothing.
Now, prove that abuse decreases happiness. I wasn't aware that a human emotion is quantifiable.
So by your "logic", if one isn't subject to emotion than abuse wouldn't be wrong.
>Now, prove that abuse decreases happiness.
Abuse causes physical and emotional pain. Have someone kick you in the balls as hard as they can. Did this increase or decrease your happiness?
He was going by weight and height. Could just put vegetable against a fat kid
You are relating nerve responses to emotion now?
Take a couple dozen beta blocks and get back to me on that.
Sorry, I still can't get over the fact that you can basically see her boobs. I don't know why but seeing her boobs and her being worked on at the same time is for some reason somewhat hot.
That's now, after a massive overseas success and an enormous amounts of licensed merchandise.
I'm not sure about Krillin, but Goku always had some kind of power to win.
Oh god her teeth
That would not have happened if she didn't cut her hair.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
actually the manga depicts the gore much more. In the anime you rarely see red blood and almost no bone or guts
it's unisex actually.
This is why it's funny when people impose some arbitrary delineation between humans and animals. It's like we're not even self aware.
Yet we possess the capacity to be aware that we cannot even define what it is to be alive as a meaningful trait, nor can we prove we possess consciousness, free will, or an "I".
What a disjointed mess.
Funny thing is, brutal fights like that happened all the time in Dragon Ball
This is bait, right? If not, then telling you the title won't help, because you have already shown you can't read it.
The part where he got so muscular he blew up freaked me out for a while when I was a kid.
The re imagesearch sometimes sucks. You searched for a 14x125 pic. Open the pic in an extra window / tab and use this link for re image search.
Did you try reading the words in the picture or the post containing it?
You're an idiot, do you know why you cannot win this argument? It is because you are arguing for something that is subject to one's own experience. You cannot prove your experience, therefore you cannot prove your argument.
Morality cannot be proven
Emotion cannot be proven
Morality of all things is widely subject to change; 30 years ago it was immoral to be homosexual, it was immoral to use narcotics, it was immoral democrat. Do you see how easily these things are swayed be opinion? Opinion means nothing and neither do your morals.
here you go
>let's spoonfeed each and every one here so they know they can easily post on /a/ asking about source without even trying
>then they start creating threads for it and we get threads that could have been used for discussion pruned
The faggot was asking for sauce on something that clearly has the title in the post. He's either trolling and in fact posted that himself, or he will not understand this. Either way no harm no foul.
It's also on every page of the image.
Why are we arguing?
I'm not the one who posted that. I stopped arguing with you because I realized it was pointless. Even if I showed how something can be proven for every step, you'll just come up with another one until we reach a point where I can't show a method to prove it. (And lets be clear I'm only talking about methods that can be used to prove it, nothing I posted was intended to be a proof itself.)
Not enough pictures of girls being punched in this thread, that's why.
You can't prove anything, it isn't within the affordances of our logic and capacity for experience. Reality is only a framework of assumptions, belief, and relative truths.
Yeah,then lets beat the living shit out of you, and then I want you to tell me that you liked it.
>Morality cannot be proven
>Emotion cannot be proven
Nigger are you serious? I mean, what the fuck are you saying, are you retarded or something?
>Now, prove that abuse decreases happiness.
Dat squealing like a pig.
I don't want to sound hipster or anything but oldschool anime tends to be more violent than nowadays, at least from what I see. And don't get me wrong, there is plenty blood filled anime today as well.
how many girls does touma punch
Human flaws will have to be fixed with bio-engineering.
Morality is just a personal construct. If you believe there is an intrinsic Good woven into collective human existence, then this is what you will see, and this is the spectrum you'll weigh your actions against. It isn't a Truth, it's just something you've funneled meaning into.
Morality, in my honest opinion, doesn't exist. You can find patterns in noise, you can find clusters, but there will always be variance. Awareness, consciousness, and shaping the world as it ought to be via empathy and foresight is a much better model than morality will ever be. It is flexible.
What do you do with psychopaths who feel no empathy?
Not that I'll read it on mangafox or anything but holy shit it's impossible to re-teach myself to read left to right. I keep catching myself doing it wrong.
You give them love, because everybody deserves to be loved!
But they'll do bad things without morality since they have no empathy, right?
Chances are, they don't care about any nonsensical "moral" nature to the world to begin with, and perceive the nature of the world, and their place in it, in a different way. Everything has its place in the greater whole. Both positive and negative.
When you have a system of working parts, it begins to take on a macro consciousness of its own. It self regulates. Bear in mind, I never said having an illusion of morality held by people is a bad thing. Never said it's an even remotely good thing either though.
Not really sure what you're asking.
Yes, and that's why we should hug and kiss them a whole bunch.
You literally cannot prove something that is subjective. You can build your own foundation of "proof" all you want and all it would take to disprove it is for someone to say they don't experience in the same manner. Morality is only relative to you and others that share your same sense. You cannot prove that something is right or wrong because right and wrong are constructed by your sense of morality, your morality which is flawed by nature.
"Bad" is concept that only exists to you.
Replace "bad things" with "things you believe should not be done" then.
> Saint seya
Just the first season though. It was a nice slaughter fest but in the second season it was very softened.
Piccolo vs 17 was edgier and scarier. My little
sister was crying her eyes out.
The anime really dragged that out with everyone's reactions. In the manga, it was Videl just getting her shit knocked around flat out.
What I am say is that the concept of morality differs from person to person. What you believe is right and wrong is not what I believe is right and wrong, therefore when you state that something is inherently wrong and I disagree neither of us are correct or incorrect.
There was something similar to this in Yu Yu Hakusho, but with Kurama as the punching bag. Kurama is not a girl but he is, well you know. I wonder if people had similar reactions to that scene.
Then how do we justify outlawing things like slavery and murder if they are not objectively wrong?
Because law isn't founded in logic.
What is moral or not can be different person to person, this is true. However in most cases most humans agree that "Inflicting harm on others" is wrong and immoral in general. If you don't have this then you have a disorder or have an alignment that is contrary to most people and as thus should be killed. Not out of malice, but you're dangerous.
What is law founded in?
You can prove morality by establishing something objective that furthering is moral and diminishing is immoral.
DBZ was never this DEEP.
I did, mostly because I liked Kurama.
wow I forgot how one-sided that fight was
Law is founded in the ideal stated by this anon >>100429740 .That is,if a large group or majority decides something is immoral than it is wrong and should be made illegal. This is not always the case with legislation, however. (see sex laws, see drug laws, see tax law)
This discussion has gotten out of hand, this is the wrong board for this topic. I am curious how you can establish something as objective. I honestly cannot see how one could take a subjective experience and claim it to be objective.
Pic is Bulma's tits
Would you want to be enslaved or murdered?
No, but I don't want to get gay married either. I guess gay marriage should be illegal too going by that logic.
He's baiting you. There's no way someone can be so legitimately edgy.
Goddamnit videl you're useless.
Like all the other women in DBZ.
She looked better with long hair anyways.
It was a punishment for doing Character Development before it was cool.
I wouldn't necessarily want the guy to hit the girl back, unless of course she's fucking strong as fuck or something.
At the very least I don't want the guy to take it and be like everything's ok. I'd want him to tell the girl to go fuck herself or show clear irritation or anger, not wanting to have anything to do with the girl.
Call her a bitch or something, don't just get hit for no apparent reason and be like "haha, it's ok!"
No, it's not fucking ok.