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Name one good Rei clone better than Yuki Nagato.
Actually fuck it, name one good Rei clone.
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Rei.
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>>100410533
This. There ain't no Rei better than Rei herself.
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Nagato > Rei.
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>>100410622
This
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>>100410622
Ain't gonna argue with that.

Also, manga Rei > anime Rei.
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>>100410622
Good tastes, anon.
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>>100410622
This is the correct answer.
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>>100410622
obviously
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Yin.
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Rei III > Rei I > Rei II
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>>100410622
Rei a shit.
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Yuki is like Rei+

she's just the same idea done better
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>>100410622
Agreed.
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You can't beat the original.
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>>100411199
You can improve on it.
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>>100410883
This.
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http://strawpoll.me/1032066
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>>100410622
>tfw a Rei clone is actually a lot better than Rei herself
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Fuck this overrated hype anime
Nagato literally just sits there and does nothing
DOES FUCKING NOTHING
"omg but she sheds a tear in teh movie sooo saadd"
haruhi fags are the worst
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>>100411249
>worst
That's not yandere.
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>>100411249
>http://strawpoll.me/1032066
thank you
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>>100411249
It's better than tsundere and yandere.
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Nagato is a fucking horrendous character
She's literally only popular because of pure marketing and hype
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>>100411263
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>>100411249
But Rei and Nagato are dandere.
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>>100411336
great argument
exactly what I'd expect from a Nagatofag
Sorry but your character is a boring, clone, mary sue piece of shit
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>>100411249
for one thing neither rei nor yuki are kuudere

for another fuck you
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>>100411399
Not that. More, your arguments are shit and completely unjustifiable.
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>>100411399
Do I sense a butthurt Reifag?
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Rei>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Horse shit>>>any character from Haruhi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nagato
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>>100411263
she's the primary facilitator of the plot. every time shit goes wibbly wobely timey whimey Kyon relies on Yuki to explain and assist in fixing the fucking mess. Mikuru is fucking useless. Koizumi is cryptic, gay and fucking useless.

Yuki balls out of control, fights other cybrids and is a walking reference to the hyperion cantos which is an excellent scifi quartet
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>>100411478
Are Evafags really this cancerous?
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>>100411399
>mary sue
so you're arguing that yuki is a character without flaws?
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>>100411454
Here's my arguments:
1)She's boring. She just sits there, and then pulls out here ridiculous god-like powers at will out of nowhere. And then they have the forced "She's not perfect after all!!" in the movie, which is literally one of the most overused tropes in AI related fiction.

There, not tell me why she isn't boring and derivative.
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>>100411524
Sometimes.

Especially Reifags and their evident delusion.
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Nagato is FUCKING HORRIBLE and almost ruined the fun I had watching Haruhi. In fact, even worse than Nagato herself are the FAGGOTS that like shallow shit characters like her. Thank you for having shit taste you stupid niggers. I wish I could kill all of you.
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>>100411515
So your'e saying shes a good character because the other characters are garbage? That's not how it works buddy
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>>100410964
>Rei III > Rei I > Rei II
>Rei II at the bottom
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>>100411456
More like butthurt Asukafag. They use exactly the same arguments.
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>>100411612
That's exactly how it works. Just like a plain girl hanging around with a landwhale suddenly becomes pretty.
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>>100411454
Here's an argument:
Here's my arguments:
1)She's boring. She just sits there, and then pulls out her ridiculous god-like powers at will out of nowhere. This is the entire first 2 seasons of the series. She's a "perfect" character
And then they have the forced "She's not perfect after all!!" theme of the movie, which is one of THE MOST overplayed cliches in Artificial Intelligence themed cinema. It was literally nothing that's not been done before. They did not accomplish anything of new merit from it.


There, now tell me why she isn't boring and derivative.
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>>100410502
Nagato is the best Rei-Clone. She out-Reied Rei.
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>>100411653
But why would an Asukafag give a shit about Nagato? They're too busy hating on Rei herself to hate on her clones.
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>>100411653
Asukafags have nothing to be butthurt about.
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Rei Q
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>>100411683
god damn it, ignore the double typed first line
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>>100411572
During the whole 2 seasons, she's discovering life and things she can do to have fun (like playing videogames, doing things with the Brigade, trying to crack jokes). But she's mostly suffering because she has to deal with the Haruhi stuff and the fact she has almost no emotions. And Kyon gives us hints of how she's suffering. She's a victim, a doll of the Data Integration Entity. And she rewrites the whole world to change her fate and to attract Kyon's attention, because no one understood how bad was her situation.

tl;dr : good character.
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I only started liking Yuki in Disappearance.
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>>100411749
And can't you see how goddamn cliched that is?
Have you not been exposed to western cinema?
Even fucking Spielberg used that as a theme in one of his movies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence

It's so beyond derivative it hurts
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>>100411572
that's kind of the point of her character though. initially she's literally perfect in the very AI computery sense. she doesn't simulate personability or emotions like Ryoko or the others. She's just a fucking robot intent on observing and managing Haruhi.

but then she falls for Kyon's limitless charm and begins becoming more and more, over the course of like fucking 10,000 years, curious and infected by human nature.

she's clearly derivative. her entire character and the concept of the data integration though entity as the 'alien' side of Haruhi's universe is a direct homage to the Hyperion Cantos with Yuki representing the John-Keats-Style-Cybrid and the data integration etc being the Technocore.

I mean that's kind of the point. Haruhi is generating these individuals based off what she understands as standard modern mythological tropes that she's curious about. And Yuki's development over the course of the series is both about her overcoming this initial stereotype, since she is now an acting agent in Haruhi's world and not just an abstract, troped, construct, but also to fulfill the roll she represents in Haruhi's mental play. What good is an AI that doesn't question the distinction between it and humanity? In Haruhi's mind clearly there isn't a point and that manifests in Yuki's independence from Data blah blah in the same way that the John Keats Cybrid does to it's creative elements in the technocore
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>>100411813
that movie sucked ass
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>>100411813
she's supposed to be derivative though. she represents haruhi's understanding of ai as influenced by popular culture.
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>>100411813
Who cares if it's cliched ? It's well executed. Nagato is like a newborn baby or a socially unadapted person. It's touching to see her evolves.
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>>100411842
And that's my point
They rip a plot point straight from another piece of shit movie, which was in turn derivative of other movies
Cry more Yukifags
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>>100411703
>But why would an Asukafag give a shit about Nagato?
Anything derived from Rei is cancer, it's literally killing the anime industry. The Rei clones must be stopped.
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>>100411878
top lel
[citation needed]
>>100411880
It wasn't well executed though. There was so many filler scenes that left Nagato out of the equation in over half the movie. They maybe only utilized half an hour or so of the entire 160 minute movie focusing explicitly on Nagato's psyche.
They spent double the time on Kyon acting like a spastic because the world was different.
Awful pacing.
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>>100411883
>implying i'm a yukifag
haruhi was far superior
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>>100411929
>Anything derived from Rei is cancer
This I can actually agree with, unfortunately.
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>>100411878
Okay, so if she's derivative, then why is she considered a good character? I don't get that logic at all.
>>100411880
It wasn't well executed though. There was so many filler scenes that left Nagato out of the equation in over half the movie. They maybe only utilized half an hour or so of the entire 160 minute movie focusing explicitly on Nagato's psyche.
They spent double the time on Kyon acting like a spastic because the world was different.
Awful pacing.
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>>100411974
what do you mean citation needed you enormous faggot? that's the entire point of the story. haruhi envisions these mysterious things, as influenced by modern story telling, and she unconsciously creates them. the harsh, cold artificial alien who grows soft by the influence of human interaction, the cute, seemingly incompetent time traveler who carries out the machinations of her superiors without seeming to understand them, the handsome, mysterious esper whose organsation is forcing the hand of modern society from the shadows. all established tropes that she employs in her construction of a universe she'd rather live in
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>>100412090
I misread your comment. see >>100412047
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>>100412047
Didn't you understand that most of the movie is Kyon realizing he prefers hanging out with Haruhi and others than returning to a normal life ? I liked the movie for that reason. During the whole 2 seasons, Kyon keeps telling things like "she's annoying" "I want her to stop", and then he realizes he's lost without her.
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>>100412190
I honestly thought that was incredibly lame. Did he honestly not realize that he enjoyed hanging out with them before? What kind of person in real life would be that hard-headed?
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>>100412336
I agree he took too much time for this. But if you consider Kyon used to dream like Haruhi before he entered highschool, it explains why Kyon doesn't want to admit he likes what she does : it'd be like a regression for him.
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>>100412047
she's a good character because she's an interesting, well developed and unique interpretation of an established cliche. instead of a blinking red eye and miles of circuits here you have a quiet, docile highschool girl and she is supposed to represent the existential terror of a man made intelligence that is greater than us and has such ripped itself from our control. and it's done in a clever way. the author is clever in all of yuki's appearances. she has a strangely non-linear character development (from the perspective of the reader, and obviously for Kyon, because of the wibbley wobbely non linear narrative) and yet she maintains a consistency and clarity of tone and development.

of the three oddities she is the one with the most development. we are hinted at Mikuru's development through future-Mikuru but at the same time her development is hampered by it. The author doesn't want to mix tones so Mikuru is in an almost constant state of ditzy hopelessness to constrast her competent future self. Her only substantial character trait beyonf moeblob being her dedication to the rules and order of her future superiors.
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>>100412510
Koizumi is even worse. his all knowing yet unwilling to divulge information schtick is quickly tiresome and leaves him one note. his only notable character trait is that he cares deeply for Haruhi and that he is very jealous of Kyon for being the target of her affection. everything else is hidden under layers of "i know all kinds of shit but can't tell you" which is tiresome. at least in Mikuru's case it seems that she knows very little of value despite being from the future and what she does know she's strictly forbidden from divulging. Koizumi on the other hand seems to have dramatically more free range within his organisation and he spends it carefully covering himself and presenting a united 'organisation' front to Kyon. his only non-professional dealings being teasing Kyon about Haruhi's affection and being over-the-top gay with him. both maneuvers sprung from his jealously for Kyon. in the end we don't see a character. we see glimmers that he might be hiding one but that is hardly satisfying when we never see reasoning or a reveal beyond "waaah haruhi won't bone me"

but then there's Yuki. her structure is, like the other two, based on established tropes. however her story does a much better job at illustrating her character than the other two oddities. which is odd given her apparent lack of 'character' compared to them.
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>>100412090
I don't really like the Haruhi is god theory of the espers. While the espers got their powers from her the time travelers and aliens insist they weren't created by Haruhi.

Until the author flat out states the people around her are they way they are its because its the way she wanted them I don't buy it. It diminishes them as characters, and besides what does that say about Kyon. Is Kyon the way he is too because its what Haruhi wanted.
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>>100411515
Holy fuck.Dude this is so true.
>Koizumi is cryptic, gay and fucking useless.
Hahaha damn
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>>100412510
Mikuru a shit.
But Koizumi is pretty cool. Giving hints here and here.
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Rei Q
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>>100412151
because in no other medium or story has a character archtype ever been successfully reinterpreted for the sake of inherent troped understanding and furthering the understanding of the character. yuki is the first and only place we've ever seen character traits repeated for the sake of a story.

oddly enough haruhi is one the stories in which using out dated character archtypes is perfectly reasonable. most of the actors in this play where created by haruhi based on her understanding and passion for science fiction, fantasy and mythology. so it's only right they begin as archtypes but move into their own as they diverge from haruhi's media-manipulated understanding and move into her new understanding of them as real individuals.
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Rei is a Four clone.
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>>100412688
there are a lot more than 4 reis.

there's only one yuki though
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>>100412743
Yuki is a clone of a clone.
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>>100412743
Aren't there 2. 3 if you count Haruhi-chan otaku Yuki.
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Hostile takeover

Also Haruhi > Yuki
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>>100412788
as far as i know yuki inhabits a body custom designed by the data thought thingamagig. it's been a while since i've read the novels though? how is she a clone? (a clone is a perfect copy of an existing human no?) let alone a clone of a clone?

or do you mean as far as her future, past and alternate dimension selves sych information between each other? do you interpret each iteration of spacetime information as a distinct and unique yuki? because i think one of the points of her character is to represent that such distinctions are meaningless. you are a completely different person than you were 10 years ago. though despite those differences in opinion and experience you're still you. your future and past selves just can't debate each other like Yuki's can
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>>100412803
Yeah, fuck all of them.
Still, Yuki > Haruhi
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>>100412803
mah niggah.
Both are lovely though.
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>>100411696
>Complaining about Rei and characters
>soisting moe version/Yuki Q

Opinion discarded.
And Yes, Yin's story and character are a way more developed than Yuki's, Yuki was just sitting still in her room for three years, Yin was throug lots of tougs shit. It's not that I don't like YUki, just sayan.
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Can anyone define Rei-Clone for me? Does it just mean emotionless girl that is for some reason attatched to the MC? Or does it refer to a girl with an artificial body implanted with modified or foreign memories and persona that, understandably, has issues adjusting to normal life?
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>>100412936
>tfw you'll never lick the drool from Kyon's lip
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>>100410883
+1
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Why does Chihaya Minori only play Yuki clones lately?
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>>100413022
because it makes my dick rock hard. she's very concerned with my level of penis inflation
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>>100412952
1 A girl that acts passively and indifferently to everything. (Yin)
2 A girl that looks like Rei (picrelated)
3 A girl that both looks and acts like Rei (Yuki)
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>>100412936
>Both are lovely though.
If anything, Haruhi deserved that slap during the film episode.
Hell, the whole thing would have a thousand times better if it was done Utena style, that is, someone getting slapped at least every 3 episodes.
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>>100411792
You don't like Yuki.

Disappearance Yuki - worst Yuki.
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>>100413110
>during the film episode
You said it yourself. During the film episode she acted like a bitch because she was "creating a universe" with her fiction.
Winter Haruhi, on the other hand ...
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>>100413076
but yuki isn't passive or indifferent to everything. she acts in such a fashion in order to avoid influencing Haruhi while observing her but she clearly acts upon the Haruhi universe often and in more dramatic ways than anyone in the cast except for Haruhi herself. Fuck she generates a pocket dimension for her own pleasure.

I'll admit she looks Rei-ish. What with short, blueish hair. But appearance alone can hardly justify a character archtype.
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>>100413204
She was acting like a bitch all along from the very start. And in winter and so on.

>>100413239
Did you know that Rei may mean something like Frost and Ayanami is a name of a battleship, while Yuki Means snow and Nagato also is a name of a battleship.
This is kinda obvious reverence.
And they look alike.
And they behave alike.
And Yuki still doesn't do anything about endless 8 even if for her it's been about 1500 years.
Well Yuki did make disappearance happen and Rei also did say "fuck you" to Gendo in EOE.
Not passive not indifferent but very, very much alike.
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>>100413487
yes in completely superficial ways Yuki and Rei are a lot alike. i don't wish to sound like i'm saying that Yuki was created in a vacuum. Rei is a super influential figure in anime, along with most of the cast of eva, and to pretend that Yuki was created without any influence from Rei is obviously complete folly. but claiming that she's a rei clone is a bit much for my liking. it's like saying that misty is an asuka clone because she's a red haired tsundere that is close to the main protagonist.

yuki impacts the plot of haruhi in a super-active fashion despite the fact that she isn't supposed to interfere at all. rei hardly impacts on the plot directly at all, despite giving shinji a boner on several occasions, until the end of the series when she becomes planet sized and godlike.
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>>100413076
Yamato Rei acts like Rei too somewhat. She has the same tendency of taking her EVA/Fighter out for a spin whenever she sees fit.

Yuki acts less like Rei IMO, she's even less talkative.
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>>100413733
Well looking like Rei and doing like Rei(even if she's more actively influencing plot) is enough to call her a Reiclone.

Yuki is closest to the original of them all
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>>100413239
Rei isn't passive or indifferent to everything either.

The thing is that Rei is behind the scenes, and what both of them are indifferent to, are things like school life and so on.

Rei > Yuki
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>>100413895
which is odd because Yuki is only a rei clone in the most superficial sense.

it's almost like she serves as a character deconstruction or something
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>>100413733
>but claiming that she's a rei clone is a bit much for my liking
Because she's your waifu. She's pretty much a Rei clone, and misty isn't an asuka clone since asuka is a clone herself.

Rei sets a precedent for characters like Yuki, the very same aesthetic, the very same soft appearance and apparent inhumanity.

Yuki is full-on dandere however, while Rei is more of a Kuudere/Dandere mix, fitting into neither.
There are newer versions of Rei that are more dandere but to be honest, they suck.
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>>100413885
I guess if Rei would grow up she'd turn into Akira.

>>100413952
Nobody did copy Rei entirely. No clone was looking same, and being same, and having same role, and same depth in the same time.
That would be plagiarism.
But there are many girls that look/act like Rei to bait Rei fanbase (i don't have to say that the fanbase is big and worth pandering.)
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>>100413937
rei is massively passive until she turns into a giant godhead and decides that shinji is the most deserving of control of the fate of humanity.

yuki has a much more controlled and common touch with the narrative.

remember shinji reacting to rei does not represent characterisation on rei's part. it represents shinji's reaction to her lack of character.

in fact lack of character is rather the point of rei's character/non-character. yuki is something of a mockery of that concept. a character that, superficially, fills the lack-of-character void but in truth probably has the most, and the most complex, characterisation of the entire cast.

this is in stark constast to eva in which rei develops glacially before being killed off and replaced with an all but undeveloped replacement. whereas when yuki is addressed in a circumstance of non-development (which happens surprisingly often) she is able to synch with her other actors and duplicate their entire emotional spectrum. she is able to instantly understand why she would create an alternate universe in which her and Kyon have a comparatively fair chance of falling in love. but at the same time she maintains the introspection to realise that such a gambit is, probably immoral, and doesn't fucking work.

for all of rei's non emotion and final eruption of maternal/true love dedication to Shinji in the form of the final choice Yuki represents a dramatically more controlled and sensitive narrative.
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>>100414088
>I guess if Rei would grow up she'd turn into Akira.
It's not too far off, but I'm thinking that she would get into an officer role instead rather than being a fighter pilot, but if said officer role was something passive like being an accountant... then Rei would choose a fighter pilot role instead.
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>My character utterly devoid of personality is better than your character utterly devoid of personality
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>>100414001
Asuka is mai waifu. I enjoy Yuki and Rei as a character but don't think my understanding of their character and their character's roll in modern anime troping is a result of any kind of imagined infatuation with the characters.

to pretend that rei alone is responsible for yuki's existence is willfully ignorant. the john keats cybrid from hyperion, a novel which is ungracefully shoved in the face of any haruhi watcher or reader, is the clear source of the character.

am i naive enough to think that yuki was created completely free of rei's influence? of course not don't be daft. but influence is one thing and claiming clone is another entirely. yuki's entire sourcing, character, arc and influence are far beyond the scope of eva. pretending that she is a rei-clone alone is effectively insulting to both characters.,
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>>100414191
>rei is massively passive
Really? No more than anyone else in the show except the hidden super-leaders.
As a pilot she's put on-par with the rest, and I wouldn't call her passive there - there's only so much she can do, and compare EVA-piloting and so on with adventures in Haruhi.

>lack of character
You mean lack of expressive ability. On the other hand, Yuki lacks character except the dandere shtick, and it's not "probably" most complex, it's either part of her or it isnt.

Even Rei's death-resurrection continues her character, and this is where you miss the point of Rei's development; since unlike Yuki it's not just about expressing yourself or being more "cute". It makes part of Rei, but if you think that's it, then you've missed around half the character - which is easy because EVA gets confusing.
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>>100414191
Well Rei was like
>I can't change anything so I'll keep doing nothing until the end
Yuki
>i'm an observer so I'll keep observing and fixing shit that i'm supposed to fix
And Rei was also fixing shit like fighting angels when they pop up. And neither of them was completely passive Yuki did tell Kyon the truth and Rei did violate orders to suicide bomb Zeruil and Armisael. And in the end both of them make their big turn EOE for Rei and Disappearance for Yuki.

Their role seems to be quite similar to me.
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>>100414297
Then you're over-complicating matters, as Rei isn't the first time in fiction where you've got a character. The Rei-clone aspect is indeed one of influence, one of appearance and progression. If you've read that book, you'll find that Yuki has more in common with Rei than a cybrid. Because Yuki's entire character lacks the self-identification and exploration Rei has, but has instead the dandere-portion which she is based around, even all her actions.

It's not insulting to either, but a fact of life in the anime industry.
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>>100414519
sorry:
>Then you're over-complicating matters, as Rei isn't the first time in fiction where you've got a character...
...that's inexpressive yet human in appearance and "life".
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>>100414297
>spilling wine onto the carpet
>spilling wine at all
>spilling any sort of drink deliberately
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>>100414372
that's exactly it though. rei is almost completely in that hands of the super-leaders until she decides that Gendo is a wanker and fucks him over in favour of his son in the eleventh hour of the show. up until that point she is submissive to a t, which is a major element of her character, despite her growing loyalty to ikari the younger she allows the dummy plug experiments and all manor of other abuses plague children 2 and 3.

yuki however functions, alarmingly, like the cybrids in hyperion. she is created, a human with an artificial mind, and sent to examine the godhead of humanity. and in doing so she realizes the folly of the competing UI elements, of which there were 3. I can't recall them exactly. one wanted cooperation with the humans, one wanted to destroy the humans and another considered them irrelevant in light of their plans to expand amongst the galaxy.

clearly yuki represents the faction of human sympathisers. whether ryoko is an anti human wanting to damage humanity by killing or influencing haruhi or one who considers them irrelevant and sees fucking with humanity, and humanities godhead, is unimportant. what matters is Yuki's clear and direct intervention versus the clouded judgement of her UI creator. She is working under her own judgement system based on the morals of the elements of the technocore that created her. that much is obvious from reading the hyperion cantos and i don't think anyone can argue against that series influence on haruhi.
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>>100414191
As far as passivity goes, Yuki is a few notches above Rei. What defines Rei's day-to-day life, is that she's more or less powerless. Rei doesn't have super-powers (that's she's aware of), except the power to die and come back again.
Yuki on the other hand, is basically a mini-god for all intents and purposes, yet remains passive and observes.

You can say Rei is like this, as the final godlike entity, but it's speculation, and before that Rei's character is complete.
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>>100414814
the fact is that rei is a completely passive player for most of evangelion. she is subservient and spends the most of her time observing and absorbing personality and opinion. it is only at the end that she chooses shinji as the arbiter of mankind, and probably only because of a an overriding motherly instinct. Rei is never a machine. she is a manipulated clone. someone to be pitied. someone who shinji did pity, a pitiable character in himself, and in his pity he found rei's humanity. her humanity being the reflection of yui.

on the other hand people compare yuki to hal or some other manipulative super AI. what they fail to understand is what a cybrid is in the context of hyperion. just because one is created by an AI does not mean one is a cold., mechanical intelligence. while yuki does demonstrate traits consistent with a pure ai she slowly molds herself to Kyon, and to a lesser extent all of the sos brigades, influence and demonstrates that she is just as 'human' as mikuru or koizumi. they both are expected to report to their superiors and demonstrate certain behaviours just like Yuki is. the difference they are, ostensibly, human and as such some subservience, especially in japansese society, is expected. Yuki however is understood as a 'machine' (although from the simmon's definition of a cybrid this is completely wrong) and as such she is attributed more direct anti-social emotion the same way rei is.
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>>100414814
>rei is almost completely in that hands of the super-leaders until she decides that Gendo is a wanker and fucks him over in favour of his son in the eleventh hour of the show.
But does this is unrelated to the character itself, since Rei really is in the hands of the super leaders. It's not like she could do anything but create a lot of noise, which would make things worse for both herself and others. Why on earth would she want that? Rei is more keen on helping the others, Gendo and Shinji especially.

Why wouldn't Rei allow the experiments? She's not in a position to disallow them exactly, and Rei's character is submissive through being subdued.

Yuki and cybrids, they share the same mechanics and background "lore", however much like NGE's mechanics and background lore, that isn't important. The one thing that matters to their character is that they are both artificially created human beings, with a purpose set for them before their birth not of their own choosing, and because of that purpose they appear as limited human beings.
This serves as their starting point, and for all Yuki does, it is just what you say, being a dandere without actually touching on the finer points of her existence. Because of that, what's inherited from Rei is what makes her the Rei-clone - the aesthetic of the silent, attractive and inexpressive short-haired girl that appears human, feels human and has every right to be called human - but yet isn't.

I also must criticize your view of Rei here, there is no overriding motherly instinct (why would there be one?) and the choosing of Shinji (or anyone else) isn't something she's really planning to do since the start. It's not the point of the character either.

The passivity/acitivty is due to the difference in their situations. See >>100414873
which explains it.
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>>100415353
if you don't understand why rei has a fundamentally motherly relationship with shinji then you didn't understand eva at all.

and if you don't interpret background or lore as character elements as part of character then there is no point in arguing with you. if setting and contextual understanding of character hold no weight than any romantic pairing is simply a shakespeare knock off. rei is a total juliet clone.
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I liked Tabitha.
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>>100410622
Yes
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>>100415448
>if you don't understand why rei has a fundamentally motherly relationship with shinji then you didn't understand eva at all.
Please prove that.
It's my claim that you don't get EVA if you think that at all, and have grossly misunderstood it.
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>>100415448
>>100415579
and the rest of the post:

>and if you don't interpret background or lore as character elements as part of character then there is no point in arguing with you.
They are part, but not the defining part. What defines Yui most, what she thinks or does, or how she was created and why?

The way you think those parts matter, defy the points cybrids make, and especially Rei who states it outright. Rei herself says those things don't matter, only the self.
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I am rather fond of Kirigiri.
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>>100411249
Another little shit that have no idea of what he;s saying and instead shitpost just to fit
Erase yourself off this world
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>>100410502

How about we talk about Kaworu clones instead?
Name one bad Kaworu clone, come on.
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>>100415652
rei isn't a cybrid she is a humanised clone of lilith implanted with what elements of yui's mind they were able to capture before she was devoured by her eva. yui is defined chiefly by her love for her child, shinji. this is shown numerous times through the show. unit one does the amazing things it does because shinji is effectively piloting yui. and unit one often tries to hold onto shinji because yui wants to be with her child. rei's attachment to shinji is an inevitable side effect of gendo's attempt to recreate yui using the imperfect imprints he has of her persona and of the being that absorbed her. any other dead mother in shinji's class gendo would be able to recreated all but perfectly.

you misunderstand what a cybrid is. the data though entity created a perfectly human body. and in that body they implant a persona of humanity they hope will let them capture the essence of what humanity is. John Keats is the closest to God that we've ever come so it's natural that they'd attempt to emulate him. that said they emulated many great beings of humanity, as demonstrated in the edymion novels. Yuki is no clone of humanity though. the other cybrids are. Ryoko was an attempt o clone humanity and her failing was representative of the concept. in trying to encode certain feelings or emotions the AI godlikes created a monster who tried to murder the being that is arguably a modern day jesus. instead Yuki is a being made without feeling.
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>>100415448
She did resemble mother to Shinji beause she looks alike and she's kinda mother of all living things but we don't know if she actually has motherly feelings to anyone except that she hates violence, blood, and meat.
I more felt like Shinji was a dear friend to her and she talked to Toji out of her genuine kindness because she's nice, but not because she feels motherly stuff to them.

She's a protector that cares about those she loves, and the mother, but that's her role, not her personality.

Shit, can't phrase right, I hope you got what I meant.
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>>100415734
Yes.
She's lovely but totally nowhere near the top of the chart.
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>>100415448
>if you don't understand why rei has a fundamentally motherly relationship with shinji then you didn't understand eva at all.
Here's the thing, there's two perspectives to everything. Rei's relationship with Shinji isn't motherly, but Shinji has gets a motherly vibe from Rei because Rei is a clone of his own mother, Yui. Rei reminds him of his mother, but Rei does not see Shinji as her child.
Rei seems to come to love someone who sees his mother, meaning Rei will not get her feelings reciprocated, which makes for the tragedy of Rei's story. Anno himself says he prefers a straightforward "eros" for Rei, which is why Rei remarks on Shinji in NGE in the classic sexual "let's become one" manner.

So to make it easy,
From Shinji to Rei: Pseudo-incestual feelings.
From Rei to Shinji: Love and affection that she doesn't yet know.

That makes Rei's actions not based on any motherly instinct, and why would Rei have that? She's not a mother exactly... she's just a 14-year old little girl in body, her instincts could at best stem from Lilith, which is for all mankind, and this is only fanwank.
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>>100415936
the ai gods created yuki as an untouched sentience. free to understand humanity her own way. and she does primarily through kyons kindness.

rei on the otherhand is created as a replacement of yui. her primary function is to soothe gendo's heart as he searches for a method to use the power of the these god's he and seele are toying with to return yui to him. rei is almost without choice. she's strangled for displaying too much initiative initially. and she has no Kyon to save her from her masters. for every morsel of character development she steals from her effective son Gendo orders her further from her once source of reality. whereas Yuki is allowed enough space to create her own reality in order to live out her unobtainable
fanfiction relationship with the protagonist Rei is killed before her's takes proper form. and the ghost of Rei in #3 literally gives shinji control over the future of mankind. but that's not because of any inherited romanticism. it's to try and meet the expectations of rei II and, realistically, the core of rei's emotion in Yui.

Rei is a shell that carries Yui's will and Gendo's malice. She might try to reconcile that and be her own self but she fails.

Yuki is never anything but herself. She is influenced by the technocore, haruhi herself, and her own feelings influenced by Kyon but she's never someone else.

Yuki isn't someone's mother or wife or an alien mother of a species. She is a drone designed for observation who finds more.
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>>100415936
>rei isn't a cybrid she is a humanised clone of lilith implanted with what elements of yui's mind they were able to capture before she was devoured by her eva.
There's no part like that within Rei. The only part of Yui in Rei, is Yui's body through genetics. Rei's soul and mind are her own, that of Lilith. They tried to salvage Yui, but failed, and so the body she would inhabit, remained empty and lifeless. They haven't gotten any soul/imprint part from EVA01, and they've said it themselves, they can not copy the human soul, merely emulate it in a dummy plug.
Rei however has a soul in Evangelion, and that's Lilith.

The cybrid/clone part isn't the important part, it's primarily what the character thinks and does, why it does it and how. Secondarily, things like that in sci-fi become more of a background/plot thing than the actual character-portion, what it means effectively for the character is that it's artificially human.

Don't misuse the word clone, none of the characters in Haruhi are clones as far as I know. You have imitations but not clones.
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>>100416047
but if rei is a clone of yui how can her relationship not be motherly. if only subconsciously.
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>>100416274
Do you even know what you're talking about? Not even subconsciously would that happen. Subconsciously, NGE Rei wants the D, so to speak, and that only comes up front to her once she's about to blow herself up.

If you clone someone, that someone doesn't automatically become a mother if the DNA-donor was at any point in her life a mother.
Relationships are not inherited.
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>Actually fuck it, name one good Rei clone.
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>>100416047
Yet here are subtle implications that Rei has somewhat motherly instinct from Lilith, not from Yui. She protects Shinji with a shield "You won't die on my watch", she hates blood and violence, she doesn't eat meat, she's nice to everyone and tries to help people, not only Shinji.
Well she does not consider them her children, but she loves them regardless.
In Ayanami raising project she's losing her shit in zoo, she's fascinated vith life and living things, she loves them.
Well that's not solid, It may be that she just is nice and loves animals, lots of girls do.
>>100416274
She has never given birth to shinji, never raised him, never fed him from her breasts.
The fact that she has same body as his mom doesn't make him her son.
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>>100416233
I was agreeing until this:
>but that's not because of any inherited romanticism. it's to try and meet the expectations of rei II and, realistically,
because that's precisely what that is. Rei III isn't meeting expectations of Rei II, and it's not an inherited thing either.
Here's what happens:
Rei II dies. Her body destroyed, her soul is liberated. The Rei-clones do not have souls, they are not alive, but fleshy constructs being held artificially together in stasis - Rei II's soul, the essence of her being and individuality, moves onto a new host body, and we call her Rei III. The tie-together is that even if Rei loses her memory, she loses her "progress", the feelings and heart she had all remains.
This is why Rei cries but knows it's not the first time even if she shouldn't remember it, this is why Rei still has feelings for people in her life. Rei III in a way returns to early Rei II, of having emotion but not being able to express them or recognize them.


Rei carries none of Yui's will at all, but she is a tool for Gendo's "malice" so to speak. She was always herself and there was nothing to ever contradict that.
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>>100416248
nerv and seele clearly have the abilitiy to capture and replicate the souls of humans. while yui represents a failed attempt at this technology (which makes sense. she was absorbed in an early attempt) the series makes it clear that asuka's eva contains the portion of her mother's soul and persona that wasn't left in the husk of her real body (the absolute majority of persona was absorbed) and beyond that they make it apparent that they hold enough of the soul of every mother of every student in shinji's class to accomadate an eva for each that will synch with them.

to pretend that rei exists in a vacuum, just a clone with it's own sentience deliberately ignores clear plot points. rei's body is primarly made up of cloned lilith cells. thus her albino appearance. thus her ability to synch with all the lilith based evas (as shown though the rei based dummy plug). her persona is chiefly the result of gendos infusion of his imperfect capture of yui's soul before her absorbtion by her eva. initially they tried 100% impression of this incomplete soul and ryoko's mother fucking strangled her. so Gendo accepted a minor transfer that is rei's II though IIIl.

this is not comparable to a cybrid. a cybrid has an artifically human body but an absolutely unique mind. in hyperion they tried to emulate john keats beautiful mind by emulating every element of his life. but they failed by missing the most minute details. in yuki's case they didn't even try at all.
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>Yuki
>Rei clone

You say that to my face not online and see what happens.
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>>100416496
>Yet here are subtle implications that Rei has somewhat motherly instinct from Lilith, not from Yui. She protects Shinji with a shield "You won't die on my watch",
This needs not be a motherly instinct, it may just be Rei doing her job or fulfilling her purpose from what she perceives is "right". That it's motherly is fanwank, but it's naturally an interesting idea.
Not eating meat or helping (everyone) isn't motherly in itself.

But the idea of Rei as the final form of the mother of mankind does work. As Rei/Lilith, she is that.
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>>100416586
they technocore took a naked body and planted the most basic ai mind within it. no social conditioning. no basis for mind. unlike ryoko or the others yuki is naked. a newborn super intelligence. and that shows in her development throughout the series.
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>>100411696
>dandere
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>>100416586
>nerv and seele clearly have the abilitiy to capture and replicate the souls of humans.
Capture, but not replicate. They outright state this that it's the thing they can not do.

In Evangelion souls can be fractured, hence part of Rei is in EVA00 while the rest is in Rei II. Part of Asuka's mothers soul was ripped out from her.

>to pretend that rei exists in a vacuum, just a clone with it's own sentience deliberately ignores clear plot points.
I'm not pretending, that's exactly what went on.

Dummy-plug isn't relevant here. There is no precedence for Gendo using Yui's soul. Even the official word of god from Anno states that Rei has nothing of Yui's soul in her. It's purely Lilith.

Take your fanwank away, and the cybrid part doesn't matter.

Rei's mind is unique, and actually predates mankind itself.
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>>100416555
but the rei clones do have a soul. they inherit the imperfect element of Yui's soul that Gendo was able to capture. though it's clearly incomplete and becomes more corrupted with each transfer. that's why Rei II is an emotional infant compared to the, much younger, Rei I. and Rei III is completely fucked because she can't reconcile her emotions to her interactions. But in the end realises she loves Shinji just as much as Yui and Rei I (despite never knowing him really) and Rei II do. It's not love for her husband that shines through. it's love for her child. All the rei's love shinji and side with him over gendo because of yui's influence.
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>>100416639
>no social conditioning. no basis for mind.

If that was like that she'd be walking around naked and wouldn't know japanese and what is literature club and so on.
She's not completely "naked intelligence" but unlike Ryoko she does not try to imitate normal human behavior (or maybe it was natural Ryoko's behavior). However Yuki is born into this world knowing what is to do and how stuff and society works.
It's just her personality
>I'm an observer, I'm to observe not to make friends and have fun.
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>>100416716
the series makes it very clear that rei is a combination of whatever imprint was left of yui's mind combined with liliths dna to create a body.

that's not fanwank. that's core to the evangelion story.
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>>100416881
Please back that up with something.
I'm tired of hearing this shit already.

I say that Yui is entirely in Eva 01 conscious and sane. Eva is now he body.
While Rei is lilith in emty body.
If what you say was right then clones would be somewhat alive Yuis but instead reiquarium is full of mindless bodies.
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>>100416848
Ok saying that she has completely no social conditioning is obviously false. Yuki has the absolute bare minimum conditioning though. no other ai was more ill prepared for direct contact with haruhi. oddly enough this is what drew haruhi to yuki. ryoko and co were no fun because they were human. even if haruhi was aware one some subconscious level that they were aliens (which she must be for them to exist) she chose Yuki as her avatar of alien life precisely because she was the most alien.

So it's obvious why Ryoko became so obsessive and jealous. The haruhiverse technocore has primed her as the contact for god. prepared her in all ways to be the direct contact to haruhi. yuki was simply an observer. a backup. a number-crunching manager. not equipped with the social skills an outsider would assume you'd need to get in contact with god.

by not speaking haruhi's language yuki represented the most interesting option. the other two organisations were aware of this. mikuru was sent because, with the benefit of future hindsight they were able to tell what sort of time traveller god would most likely attatch herself too. and while the espers provided haruhi with more than one option they new that the amateur, the youngest, would be the one selected. and so we see koizumi and mikuru constantly seeking the approval or their superiors. as they were expected in their roles and their superiors have plans and machinations.

The Data Entity thingy has no such plans for Yuki.
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>>100416881
>the series makes it very clear that rei is a combination of whatever imprint was left of yui's mind combined with liliths dna to create a body.
It doesn't make that clear, it makes no mention of it whatsoever. Even Rei herself, never thinks of Yui or someone else but herself, which is Rei's character before it's said who she's copied from.

It is fanwank, and doesn't make a core of EVA's story. Try to think where you got that idea from.
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>>100416777
I'm very sure you haven't watched Evangelion or something.
>but the rei clones do have a soul.
You know they say clearly, that they don't the minute they are revealed to exist? You need to rewatch Evangelion. They don't have souls, and they aren't even alive.

There is no part of Yui's soul in Rei, there never was.

The theory you have for Rei I II and III is all wrong and doesn't match the show.
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>>100416777
Every statement in your post, every sentence is horsecrap and false.
You have completely wrong ideas about Eva, Rei and what's going on.
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>>100417365
each rei clone doesn't have a soul of course. they're floating corpses. each completely devoid of anything human other than a heartbeat.

but if you really think that gendo didn't inject the last, incomplete remnants he captured (and it's obvious that nerv/steele have the ability to capture souls they did so incompletely with Asuka's mother and arguably more completely with every other student in Shinji's class) of his wife into the clone he painstakingly created replacing the gaps in her genetic code with the source of all of humanity that he has stored in his basement then i don't think you understand his motivation or the reason behind every human influenced decision in the series.

everything besides shinji's rejection of instrumentality was gendo trying to reunite with his wife. and the rei clones represent a graveyard of his failure.
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>>100417208
>>100416639
Yuki isn't just a normal conscious in a human body.
The human body and brain is filled with hormones, hardwiring that all elicit reactions regardless of the mind behind.

Due to this, Yuki's character as emotionless/expressionless is never truly justified, other than her being an AI with limited learning capabilities.

Similarly Rei's cold inexpressive personality is explained as a result of her life and predicament, she's not unable of smiling and does so easily. She's a child soldier that's severely depressed.
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>>100417521
>each rei clone doesn't have a soul of course. they're floating corpses. each completely devoid of anything human other than a heartbeat.
Yep.

>but if you really think that gendo didn't inject the last, incomplete remnants he captured
I think that and I'm convinced even. There's no mention of any such thing happening, and no mention of capture either. Yui remains fully and solidly within EVA01.
SEELE/NERV can capture/transfer souls, but not replicate them. They seem to be able to split them, which is why Asuka's mother is incomplete. There's a bit of her inside EVA02, and a bit inside Zeppelin.

>he has stored in his basement then i don't think you understand his motivation or the reason behind every human influenced decision in the series.
seems to me, that you didn't understand. Yui's salvage failed, remember? She is still inside EVA01. They couldn't get her out.

>everything besides shinji's rejection of instrumentality was gendo trying to reunite with his wife. and the rei clones represent a graveyard of his failure.
Sure, but what does that have to do with anything?
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Then Yui would not be complete inside Eva01.
Why would she let him captere her in the first place?
You're forgetting who she is.
Yui came up with the plans for instrumentality, Yui made EVAs and since she's behind the complex keikyaku that requires her personal control I guess she knew what she's doing and she purposely became one with Eva01 and stayed inside so later she would control Eva, Eat angel's core and runs shit so in the end she's immortal omnipotent being (EOE Eva01 flies to the outer space)
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>>100417616
Yuki is that though. she's a completely human body. absolutely 100% flesh and bone. like every cybrid. and in that mind the technocore implants it's interpretation of a human consciousness.

for some like the john keats cybrid 1 and 2 in hyperion it injects a grown ai and tries to simulate the subjects finals hours in order to understand the response that living a life has on a consciousness.

in the case of AIs like Ryoko's they clearly delivered a developed intelligence and attempted to predict and simulate response. The Ryoko AI was supposed to illicit a response in Haruhi that would lead to her drafting her as a friend or confidant in whatever society/club Haruhi dreamed up. That is why Ryoko is programmed with human social skills.

Unfortunately that idea backfired. Yuki was only meant to be an observer. A manager for AIs like Ryoko. That is why her control of the power Haruhi gives the UI is greater than Ryokos. She was supposed to watch over her and control her interactions with Haruhi.

Unfortunately Haruhi wanted an alien not an aliens understanding of a human so Yuki wound up a member of the SOS brigade and Ryoko's jealous outbreak is testimony to her purpose being undone while also being reference to the Hyperion notion of several, competing classes of AI. Some interested in eliminating humans, some interested in studying and preserving humans and other who don't give a rats about humans as demonstrated by Ryoko, Yuki and that other slut from novel 10.
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>>100417780
>They seem to be able to split them, which is why Asuka's mother is incomplete. There's a bit of her inside EVA02, and a bit inside Zeppelin.
just like there's a bit of yui within the rei clones and the majority within unit one
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>>100417983
That's the point however, Yuki is as she is due to programming and not a natural emergence.
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>>100410502
>Rei clone
You mean Key clone, right?
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>>100417983
>absolutely 100% flesh and bone
These are very special flesh and bone.
Normal flesh and bone can't do this, as well as they can't move at light speed to block Mikuru-beam before it hits Kyon.

Well she might be pretty much LIKE human white outside, red inside, soft warm and so on, but she's something completely different from human in both body and soul.
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>>100418056
The entire point of the elaborate Hyperion reference is that she's not code though. Yuki is a consciousness as free to make choices interdependently as i am or you are. that's why fucked up shit like disappearance happens or the majority of the hyperion cantos happens. because AI's come to despise the idea of controlled intelligence and and try to use influenced intelligence instead. unfortunately that always backfires.
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>>100418035
>just like there's a bit of yui within the rei clones and the majority within unit one
Why do you keep saying there is, when there's nothing to say that at all? Nothing of Yui's soul was taken out. They couldn't get it out.
Again they said the Rei-clones, you too said it earlier, that they have no soul. There's nothing there.

If you don't believe me, read the "hold-your-hand" stuff they released to explain Evangelion afterwards:
>Although the personalities of these three Rei differ from one another, this is due to environmental factors. Their soul is one and the same, and it appears to have been that of Lilith.
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>>100418035
Prove that there is.
You say yes, Ritsuko says no.
And i believe Ritsuko more than I believe you.
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>>100418124
Yuki is as human as Kyon or Haruhi is. A 100% flesh and bone teenage girl. She is able to do the insane, superhuman things she does not because she is a cyborg or some literal terminator robot but because she has limited control over Haruhi's godlike powers.
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>>100418153
Which brings back the point of passivity, if she has free reign, why doesn't she use said free reign?
Moreover, why isn't she developing naturally but at a snails pace, if even that? Even if her body is human, it could just as well have been a dog or an alien, since there's little of her human body affecting her.

What exactly is stopping Yui from developing or expressing herself?
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>>100418179
They did get it though. that was half the point of the fucking test nerv were doing initially.

How does an Eva function?

Oh they run on fucking souls.

Well can we make a copy of fucking souls?

Yui seems to think so.

Lets make a copy of Yui's soul

Oh shit a clone of a god ate Yui's soul. Gendo and Fuyutsuki feel guilty and responsible despite it being Yui's idea.

Yui's soul was absorbed by Unit 1 but the tech they use to mimic the souls of all the other potential pilots has captured an element of her soul.

In a dual attempt to resurrect his wife and create a potential pilot for unit one Gendo creates Rei with the DNA of Lilith and the incomplete soul imprint of Yui.

And it pretty much works up until it doesn't.

So he gives Yui what she wants, Shinji.

But that's just another element of his plan to bring her back.
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>>100418192
Ritsuko can't even comprehend that her mother's soul is inside the computers that she is supposedly the master of. She doesn't understand shit. And when she finally does she tries to shoot Gendo.
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>>100418124
It's not that I'm trying to portray Yuki as a thing or a robot, but both her body, perception, and cognition are much different from those of human girl.
She's not only firing lasers outta her ass, she also is conscious of present, future, and past, calculates every possible outcoming of any action, pretty much predicts behaviour of humans, knows literally everything and understands much beyond human.

Many humane things are alien to her.
She can't forget something unless she wants to
She doesn't misunderstand things
What is curiosity when you already know everything?

>>100418485
Ritsuko knew it quite well.
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>>100418339
She does slowly at first because the concept is foreign for an AI. up until she is independent as Yuki the AI was under strict control and expectations. Even as Yuki she is still observing and reporting as she is meant too.

It is Kyon, and to a lesser extent the rest of the sos, that break her from her shell. To the point where she uses her influence over Haruhi's power to generate an alternate dimension in which Kyon is primed to fall in love with her and not Haruhi.

Obviously this fails because Kyon is already deeply, deeply in love with Haruhi but won't admit it.

Clearly this is outside the model developed by the technocore. The only reason Yuki still exists is because Kyon saved her. And the Technocore even tried to stop her by utilising Ryoko, a previously failed AI.
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>>100418434
>They did get it though. that was half the point of the fucking test nerv were doing initially.
Jesus christ NO.

Almost everything you said was fucking wrong. Everything. What is your problem and how can you be wrong about everything so much, it's like you didn't even watch the series.

They can NOT copy souls. They say this a billion times. You've been served the proof up and down even from official explanations, and you still repost your wrongness.

If this is you: >>100418485
then that's wrong too.
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>>100418636
She does it too slow for it to be as realistic as you put it, the truth is that the limiter or hindrance is her AI-programming. Even with years, implied many more, nothing changes.
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>>100414786
>doesn't know that spilling wine is an ancient practice
Pleb.
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Kei is a good, blatant clone.
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>>100418567
>Ritsuko knew it quite well.
She knew it as well as Asuka knew her mother was still judging her from within Unit 02.

Just because you hold something to be true doesn't mean you don't rebel against it.

That might even be a core theme of EVA. Shinji new Yui was connecting to him through Unit One from the first time they went beserk. Gendo knew Seele planned to betray him and seek the godhead for themself. Gendo knew that Fuyutsuki loved Yui and would betray him in an instance for the benefit of her child. Kaji knew he was going do to be killed when he fucked around with the delicate relationship between nerv and seele.

but all these characters still did this shit. not because they didn't know the consequences. but because they weighed them and decided this course of action was worth more than the consequence.

Kaji knew he'd die. It was redemption.
Gendo wanted to die. Providing he's see Yui.
Ritsuko knew that she was smarter than her mother. But at the same time knew that she was destined for the same mistakes. Ritsuko is probably the most tragic character in eva. She makes a stand for what she believes is right at the level that both Kaji and Misato attempt. And in her gun backfires.
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>>100418720
if they can't mimic souls then how does the dummy plug function
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Help me Evafags, what's the first thread about Rei spinoff?

2: https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100350642
3: https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100377571/#q100377571
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>>100418434
They didn't get any part of Yui's soul. She was always within that EVA, all of her.
EVA's run off souls, and EVA01 runs off Yui's.

Yui does not think she can copy a soul, and never expresses the idea she can. Everyone expresses the opposite idea as well.

All these ideas you have don't really match the show, they're pure fanwank.

>>100418485
Ritsuko knew what the deal with the MAGI was, she explains it. But her soul isn't in the MAGI, or at least it's never ever said to be.
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Best Rei clone of all time, better even than the original
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>>100418789
when she's in a human body she's not an ai though. yuki has access to a network of herself throughout time that makes her vastly more intelligent than the average human but she doesn't have the processing power of the technocore itself.

not to mention the emotions she's dealing with once joining the sos and meeting kyon are completely foreign and very hard for her to compute.

what is a robot girl to do with her glasses afterall
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>>100419059
ritsuko's mother's soul was clearly within the magi system
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>>100419017
Dummy plugs don't have copies of souls in them, they have imprints and patterns that might fool the EVA into reacting. In the same scene they're explained, they explain that they cannot digitize or copy the soul, but they can do this imprint thing.

Your argument should have ended, they can't copy souls and that's the end of that.
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>>100418975
No, bro.
Asuka only realized that Eva is mom right before the final battle. Befre that she had no clue Eva was alive.
Shinji kinda felt like Eva is his mom but he did not really realize it.

Ritsuko KNEW that magi was her mom from the very start. It was not a feeling but a solid knowledge.
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>>100419166
Sorry to be the guy that says this, but.... [citation needed]

Either I forgot where they mentioned that bit and you have something to tell me, or you have nothing and misunderstood something that was perfectly well explained.
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>>100419211
in which episode do they state they can't copy the imprint of a soul?
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Yin is very cute. I especially like long-haired Reis.
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>>100419227
that's because ritsuko was privy to how the evas function. she knew her mother was captured in the system that she herself had helped create and has taught ritsuko the function of.

That's is true enough.

She doesn't understand her mother, nor the way she's completely mimicked her mother until she decides that she needs to kill Gendo.
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>>100419279
In this scene.

It's explained as a machine that emulates a pilots thinking process. It fakes a biological pattern, brainwaves, all that.
There's no soul there, not even a copy.
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>>100419478
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>>100410502
Even if Rei was as good as Yuki, evangelion was a shit show, and the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya was awesome. inb4 endless eight, that shit doesn't count
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>>100419385
>>100419166
You're wrong.

There's no soul in the MAGI. The MAGI were completed before Naoko died. The thing about the MAGI is that they're bio-computers. They seem to have brains as processing units, and they use a personality-transplant from Naoko, which is emulating her brainwaves and thought patterns as a scientist, a mother, and a woman.
The same kind of technology presumably used by Ritsuko to later create the Dummy Plugs.

Naoko died and her soul is either eradicated or floating freely somewhere. There is none of it in the MAGI.
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>>100419166
Weren't the Magi already completed before Naoko died? I always had the impression they were 3 synthetic brains that Naoko programmed with 3 different aspects of her personality, but nothing beyond that.

Wouldn't they need a core to put her soul in anyway?
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>>100419669
Rei is better than Yuki will ever be.
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>>100419669
The worst part oh Haruhi is Haruhi herself, that fucking bitch is horrible. And Mikuru is a plain shit-character that gets more screen time than Yuki.
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>>100419726
>>100419691
all of the non-production eva units were completed before they absorbed the souls of the individual that would justify their pilots.

of course the magi were working before naoko died. they just weren't pilotable before then.
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>>100419818
The MAGI isn't piloted.
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>>100419812
Haruhi can get a little annoying at times, but for the most part she's funny and pretty damn original. Mikuru is kinda just there. Eh, I don't hate her it was kinda funny to see Haruhi mess with her
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>>100419879
i suppose it'd function just fine without ritsuko or at least her apprentice maya to interpret it.
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>>100419818
EVA units require a soul to function, the MAGI doesn't. The MAGI was complete and functioning prior to Naoko's death, and the EVA's were inert until they had applied a soul.
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>>100419925
It's a super-computer. It's extremely independent and even runs Tokyo-3's government. It doesn't actually need Ritsuko or Maya to function, it functions by itself but is controllable by anyone.
It doesn't need a soul, or to be piloted (meaning, synching with said soul).
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>>100419958
magi is a an eva unit designed for computation. it didn't function as it does when we see it in the series until naokos death. provide evidence otherwise. Ritsuko is always quick to see her mother in the magi. that's because her mother is literally in the magi.
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>>100420017
the magi are 3 eva brains without a body. how you missed this is beyond me.
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>>100420066
....yes, and?
Where does the soul-bit come in? Anywhere at all? Three brains as processing units, each with a personality imprint.... but a soul?
Where are you even getting anything from?

>asukafags in charge of getting EVA
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>>100420017
if the magi is not a clone of adam or lillith i wonder how a angel was able to infect it and no other earthly computer system.

and if the magi are a system based on adam or lilith i wonder why it is able to function properly without an absorbed soul while every other man made imitation is unable to do so?
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>>100419691
>and they use a personality-transplant from Naoko, which is her thought patterns as (...) a woman.

>be serial connection
>magi refuses to run in compatibility mode for me
>"wow, serial? are you a virgin or something? you think that tiny data stream can satisfy a REAL computer?"
>mfw all bitches just want chad 256-bit parallel bus
>mfw i will never transfer data
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>>100420156
Name a system in the anime based on adam or lilith able to function without using a human soul unless they are already and angel and function using the adam supplied equiavalent


To deny that Naoko exists within, and has become, the Magi is to be willfully ignorant of the plot and themeing of eva.
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>>100420026
>magi is a an eva unit designed for computation.
Really? That's the first I've heard of it. Got any source from the show on that? They're described as your standard sci-fi supercomputer, nothing more. Act exactly like it too.

>it didn't function as it does when we see it in the series until naokos death.
Really? Your claim, you need to provide it if anything. Watch episode 21.

>Ritsuko is always quick to see her mother in the magi. that's because her mother is literally in the magi.
No, a personality imprint is, not her actual mother. They say this in the show.
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>>100411249
Kuu>Tsun>Every other Dere>Yan
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>>100420250
Computers, and the Magi.

>To deny that Naoko exists within, and has become, the Magi is to be willfully ignorant of the plot and themeing of eva.
Now you're just full of shit.

You have nothing so you resort to blatantly accusing me of ignorance.

You were wrong, proven wrong, and there's nothing you have to back up your claims.
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>>100420254
the show constantly shrugs off soul transfers as 'personality imprints'

without those soul transfers none of the Rei's, any of the evas or magi would function as they do in the anime.
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IMO Nagato is only good in the LNs. I couldn't care less about her after watching the anime, but she was waifu for quite a while after the novels. You don't get anywhere near enough exploration into her character or personality or motivations in the show.
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>>100420307
magi is clearly distinct from the other computers in the show. you have jack shit for evidence as well and my conclusion is better.
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>>100420232
To be honest it's your fault
>serial connection
jesus christ, what is this, the 90's?

>>100420197
It was able because it adapted to be a fucking computer.

ITS A FUCKING SUPERCOMPUTER, NOT A HUMAN BEING
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>thread starts on rei clones
>moves to bickering about the fucking Magi supercomputers

Fucking really?
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>>100410680
nuh uh
Drama CD Rei > Manga Rei > Anime Rei

I think I never heard her.
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>>100420323
>the show constantly shrugs off soul transfers as 'personality imprints'
Like when?

Soul transfers are not personality imprints, and they say this over and over again. Jesus anon.

How can you live with yourself being this wrong.

>>100420353
Man, that's pathetic. The grown up thing to do is to accept that your conclusion and pet theory was horribly wrong.
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>>100420356
it was a super computer and now it is clearly something more. demonstrated by the fact that an angel saw it fit to invade it and no other piece of simple hardware/
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>>100420254
>>100420307
>You were wrong, proven wrong, and there's nothing you have to back up your claims.
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>>100420323
It does the opposite you moron. There's a huge difference between personality imprint and soul you dingus.

>>100420353
>magi is clearly distinct from the other computers in the show.
In which ways? Exactly zero. It's a computer, it goes bleep-bloop beepety bop.

My evidence? MAGI's explanation and exposition always explain it as a super-computer. It was completed before Naoko's death. Naoko made the thing.

Your conclusion is not better, it's worse because it contradicts the whole show and it's about time you admit that.
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>>100420423
>it was a super computer and now it is clearly something more. demonstrated by the fact that an angel saw it fit to invade it and no other piece of simple hardware/
Except it invaded every piece of hardware, and the MAGI specifically because it would use it to blow up all of fucking NERV.

Are you done being wrong?

>>100420431
Some times you just have to say that outright because otherwise some idiot won't budge.
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>>100420407
show a timestamp where a cast member clearly defines the difference between a 'personality imprint' and the proper copy of a soul.

nerv and seele clearly have the technology to hold onto a soul and do so on several occasions. just because the dummy plug is a mass production compromise between yui's soul and lillith's does not mean that every obvious circumstance of a mothers soul being copied (which is arguably the primary theme of eva) is a similar clone.
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>>100420548
see >>100419525
timestamp in filename.
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>People claim to be Yuki fans
>80% of Yuki posted is moeblob from disappearance.

i feel really bad for Yuki.
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>>100420356
>jesus christ, what is this, the 90's?
>can't even be a virgin serial port on /a/ anymore
I bet you were manufactured by a big corporation in a clean-room environment, privileged fuck.
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>>100420548
You know what, your type of person really is the worst. No wonder you're an Asukafag since it takes a special kind of delusion to be that.

Here's how it works:
You have a theory you want to prove is true. Well, the burden of proof is on you then, isn't it? You need to supply then, something that proves that two different concepts in the show are actually one and the same. To explain why they have different names that mean different things, yet are the same, and so on.
You don't get to bust in and say "X IS TRUE, PROVE ME WRONG". That's just you being an asshat.

If you want some more info on personality imprints, check out the entire scene in ep 17 where the Dummy Plug is introduced.

>>100420615
Neo-anime fans who cling onto something pop. Nothing new here. Worst of the worst.
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>>100420615
Is she smoking that cigarette backwards?
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>>100420615
To be fair, Yuki is a moeblob and that's why people latch onto the character.
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>>100420736
Because she can.
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>>100420521
>Some times you just have to say that outright because otherwise some idiot won't budge.
No, you're just an autist LAYING DOWN THE LAW.
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itt: people who deny the mother/child relationships clearly apparent in side character, which mirror the same relationships in all three main characters of the series

did any of you faggots watch eva?
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>>100420886
but I'm not autistic
How'd you continue this then if you want to conclude and move on then?
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>>100420928
I'm not the anon you're arguing with.
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>>100420961
I know, and that's why I'm asking.
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>>100421002
wat

Nobody needs to "conclude and move on," this isn't reddit.
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>>100420926
Don't samefag.
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>>100421120
If you don't want to do that, then don't post. Nothing to contribute, nothing to post.
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>>100421255
Get a load of this guy.
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>>100421255
>all discussion must be in linear format
>the discussion should proceed in an orderly manner
>with the above constraints, surely i will be victorious
>i'm not autistic
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>>100410502
So, this is the poorman's rei, right?
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>>100421885
It's Rei without the 90s angst.
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So guys, what's your favorite dere(s)?

Mine's Tsundere

Also,
Tsundere=Dandere>Kuudere>Deredere>Any other possible dere>Yandere
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>>100421574
Well, I'm not going to take any cues from mr.anime reaction face poster seriously
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>>100422203
Dandere and Kuudere
Tsundere is Yandere-tier.
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>>100422467
>Tsundere is Yandere-tier

For you maybe, that's subjective.
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There is never gonna be a new Haruhi anime...
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>>100422544
Ofcourse I am.
I never had been full of myself enough to position my tastes and opinions as something objective.
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>>100422203
Your inequality signs are backwards Anon, I'm going to have to take off five points.
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>>100422644
Wasn't the Yuki spinoff confirmed a few days ago?
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>>100422644
When are otaku going to stop bitching about Hirano Aya and let her voice Haruhi again?
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>>100422644
There's a spin-off animation upcoming "what if Kyon stayed with moe Yuki" and maybe if it makes a splash they gonna make more.
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>>100422309
Welcome to /a/.

Now get out.
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>>100422644
Sadly,that's true.
http://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-reasoning-behind-a-lack-of-haruhi-s3/
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I must be the only one.... She can protect and we can make sweet tender love too
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>>100422773
i posted here since 2004
i am never leaving
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>>100423153
>>100415734

There's also me, too.
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>>100424527
>>100423153
good taste anons
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>>100410502
Yuzuriha
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>>100418895
Holy shit how fucking stupid are you? Oh my god
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>>100423348
more like we can never leave
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>>100423348
You remember when /a/ wasn't Anime & Manga, then?
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>>100425098Yeah..
They're watching us, even while we sleep.
We can never escape.
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>>100424876

Calling Kei a clone is straight-up retarded, but she's probably Rei-inspired.

Compare the names:
Ayaname Rei
Ayamine Kei

They're both giant mech pilots.
They're both seemingly emotionless.

These are superficial similarities, granted, but they seem similar enough.
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>>100425525
And i though that Nagato Yuki was a blatant ripoff name.
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>>100425525
Ayanami
Ayamine

HUH
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>>100426068
Original character do not steal.



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