So Griffith met God and got wings. God is a grotesque lump of flesh in a shape of a heart.
The movie fucked up big time.
Please explain to me what the fuck happened here.
That chapter was retroactively cut by Miura as he felt it was giving too much information about the story too early in the plot; this however doesn't prevent fans from discussing the Idea of Evil as if it were canon, because it basically is, as it gives Griffith a whole new dimension to being who he is.
Assuming the movie I didn't watch was a proper adaptation of the manga, there is no real issue with it skipping that part since it's what Miura would have probably wanted.
>the Idea of Evil as if it were canon
What the hell are you talking about?
That heart-shaped thing is called the Idea of Evil.
It's not technically canon since according to Miura, it isn't even introduced yet in the story.
But people act as it is, because it explains a lot about Causality, and why the God Hand exists, and why Griffith is free to do whatever he wants ever since he was reborn as Femto.
It doesn't actually explain anything.
It does, actually. Maybe you should reread that part and pay attention this time.
what's even the point of claiming something isn't canon if your reasoning is just "it hasn't been introduced into the main story yet?"
that very statement is an admission it's fucking canon.
No I actually read it while paying attention.
Sounds more like you haven't payed much attention if you think griffith is free to do whatever he wants and yet others aren't.
What chapter was it again?
>That chapter was retroactively cut by Miura
Source? Because that sounds dumb as hell.
>Kentaro Miura felt that it gave too much story information too soon
That doesn't make it non canon though you retard.
Admittedly, it's been some years since I marathoned Berserk, but I remember pretty clearly the Idea of Evil telling Griffith he's basically the Messiah (or the Antichrist) born to affect Causality and warp it the way he wants. I say Causality with a capital C because it's a supreme force in the Berserk universe and very few if any people are able to resist it. People with an incredible strong will like Guts may try to defy it but it's likened to a fish trying to swim against a strong current. As far as I know, only the God Hand possess such power.
But hey, if I'm wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected if you can back it up with sources.
>born to affect Causality and warp it the way he wants
>there is no christ in universe
>casuality is a supreme force
LOL. Do you even know what casuality IS? Causality isn't a fucking force, it's just the concept of the ceaseless cause and effect loop.
The god or whatever it is was just telling him to do what he wants because no matter what it will be beneficial to everybody in the long run.
Please don't type like you're underage.
>a fish trying to swim against a strong current
Is Griffith going to sacrifice everyone in his Kingdom for greater power?
I guess we'll find out in 20 years.
You think that's bad? Wait until you find out how long it's gonna take for the series to end.
Maybe my grandchildren will experience it..
Perhaps I worded it the wrong way. Causality takes a more important meaning in Berserk as everything is ruled by it, even thoughts. Free will is basically non-existent in the Berserkverse, at least in theory.
I define it as a sort of invisible force, because it encompasses everyone, except people like Griffith.
Also why are you acting autistic about the use of the Antichrist term? No shit, there's no christ figure in Berserk, it's a figure of speech. It's not exactly a secret Berserk takes after much of Christian imagery and the Bible, among other things.
>because no matter what it will be beneficial to everybody in the long run.
Never is this implied.
>Fights against the stream, gets to the source of everything, lays seed of new generation, dies
Griffith is probably a salmon
Woke up too early
Also I'm going to bed, but feel free to prove me wrong, meanwhile
As I said, it's been some time since I read Berserk so I may remember of have understood things wrongly
Guts is gonna chop that faget "god" to pieces
>implying you will reproduce
>Berserk universe has a god
Ugh... at least this one is shown to be a parasite preying upon people, not as a benevolent creator.
>That doesn't make it non canon though you retard.
Did you even read his post?
Still can't get over how Zodd turned into Griffith bitch...
All i want is to see Casca regain her memories and immediately thereafter get raped again, gang raped if possible.
Is it too much to ask?
>Free will is basically non-existent in the Berserkverse, at least in theory.
I vaguely remember this too. I still don't know how I feel about it.
>not wanting Guts to be raped by Griffith in front of Casca
BEARS EXIST MAN
But Guts is a weaponized salmon
and the world he lives in every bear has a Vulcan minigun in each of their eye sockets
So it's an arms race, is it?
I guess bear win, what with having 2 arms right off the bat while salmon only manage flippers
>Causality takes a more important meaning in Berserk as everything is ruled by it, even thoughts
>thought isn't caused and can't affect anything.
Of course it is. Otherwise you'd have nothing causing thought, and thought not influencing anything.
Also, free will is basically non-existant in our universe too, as everything has a chain of causes and effects behind it.
I just pointed out that your figure of speech isn't a reference to anything. It helps clarify nothing in the same sense that a metaphor does.
stopped reading there
you're being b8ed m80
>as if it were canon, because it basically is
No, it's not. Miura cut the chapter. Period. If he was already content with how things were laid out in this chapter, he could have left it in. But he didn't, meaning that he's more comfortable to leave himself the option available to go go down a different path entierly, which he's more likely to do than not.
In other words, until explicitly referenced by the main story, this chapter is more of a "whoops, I fucked up, pretend you haven't read it".
Haven't read this in a while, didn't remember the eyes. It looks a lot like the sea god's heart.
Yours is just speculation. For what we knonw it may be canon as well as it may be not.
Yes, he cut it out (it's not in the tankobon), still he was the person who drew it, we have no further info.
B-but vulcan miniguns not just 2 arms
I wonder what tigers are like in berserk
We have the info that he took it out. You don't make a recall if you're happy with what you're done. Declaring it as "canon" is shaky at best. It's more reasonable to assume that we won't see the content of the chapter in this form. Authors sometimes change or even add pages and wordings in tankobon releases to retcon or correct stuff they overlooked in the serialized format. The tankobon release is law as far as canon is concerned and as you already mentioned, the "idea" chapter was canned for now. Sure, you can take it as basis for speculation, but until Miura decides to reference the chapter, or reintroduce the "idea", it simply isn't canon and should be treated accordingly.
What I wanted to say is that you can't say it's not canon as much as you can't say it is, yet you still keep saying it's not canon.
Free will does exist, but destiny is effectively controlled by the elemental forces of suffering the Idea of Evil controls.
There is a difference.
A person whines, resists, claws, and anguishes over his inevitable oncoming death, versus just walking into it.
Thus perpetuating the emotions that feed into The Idea of Evil.
It's funny since berserk is so popular to see the differences in the people reading it.
I guess even underage retarded pieces of fuck can appreciate some aspects of it, which is ok but please don't make threads asking for explanations and then acting like a cunt because you are too fucking stupid to not only understand things by themselves but even understand it when it's kindly explained to you by another anon.
Then your point is wrong. Did you miss the part about "tankobon is law"? At this point in time, "idea" isn't canon. It may be retroactively validated later by the story, bit right here and now, it is not. What's so hard to understand about that? Only point you could argue is that for a limited amount of time, it was canon, until it got retconned by the tankobon release. By excluding it, the author asked of you, the reader, "please forget about it it until I say otherwise".
This chapter is what, 20 years old? The manga since still hasn't touched on anything in it. Berserk really will never be finished.
That's your opinion, not fact.
Now you're just being obstinate. But whatever. Discuss as you like. Doesn't make Berserk come out any faster anyway, so it doesn't matter either way.
yeah if you were reading Berserk in an earlier time you'll realize that chapter 83 was missing.
The main reason why Zodd spared Griffith was because he knew he would work for him one day.
Zodd wouldn't of killed Griffith. He knew he couldn't as some bullshit would've probably ended up saving Griff or him dying to some godhand. Zodd seems as wise and learned as the skeleton, so maybe he can see into the future aswell.