Why Jojo is not popular in America?
The manga is fucking amazing, just, how?
Also, Jolyne is best jojo
because it supports the GAY agenda
Because it won't get released in the west unless it's part 3
>Why Jojo is not popular in America?
Because of all the music references in it. I recall Prince tried suing Araki once.
Largely this. Same reason Bastard will never be popular in the west. Or Cromartie.
The entertainment industry is fucking stupid. Especially the music side.
But you know what? This is a good thing. Every good anime needs to have tons of music references so it never takes hold in the west. The west fucks anime up.
Because the scans for the parts after 2 are so god awful that people stop reading.
why are the scans so bad anyway? No one bothered to rescan?
Rescanning/translating 50+ volumes of manga is a fuck ton of work.
it's also the reason why the Daicon shorts will never get re-releases
I made this thread because i'm having a lot of fun reading the manga and while i read it, i keep thinking.
Why is this shit so unpopular here (west)?
Sometimes it piss me off
I don't care how it does in the west really, I'm just glad it does so well in Japland.
Speaking of which, I want to get a custom phone case in celebration of part 3. What do you guys think, too tacky?
In celebration of part 3 getting animated*.
Too flashy, I like my phone to be as plain as possible.
I kinda have to agree. But JoJo seems like it's not something that would ever catch on in America anyway. It's pretty popular already in Euorpe. America seems the only really like powerlevel shonen anime or the 2edgy shit
Because the RIAA are cunts.
Yep, because that's what makes the most money.
And it needs to stay that way. They can keep their filthy fucking hands off of my good anime.
I don't really like the colors. If you have an iphone, I know there's some official Part 3 cases for the iphone 5. Mine is just a 4 so it's either overpriced part 4 cases or knock offs from China.
I got a Killer Queen knockoff, it's pretty neato
Who cares if it's popular in the west, what are you gonna discuss with weebs at cons?
If you like it then great keep reading it, but having it popular in the west won't increase or decrease the quality of jojo.
too much, just make something simple with this text or something similar
Nah, I got an HTC One.
> pretty popular in Europe
> it's only popular in Italy and France
> primarily due to the fashion and surrealist animation community
Nah, try again. 2edgy power levels are popular everywhere.
This is JoJo, Anon.
It needs to be as flamboyant as possible.
Death is the only option.
It should be a miracle that it's not popular in the west.. Imagine how many people randomly yell out Stand Attacks all over Twitter or Facebook.
Either ditch the japanese text or the English text.
It was a dollar and I'm really poor, but you probably already picked up on that from the fact I have a knockoff case from HK
>wanting the shit you like to be popular
It's like you learned nothing, popularity is always the first step into oblivion.
Ready the rope.
I thought it did well in Germany too?
I know that, Anon
What i wonder is that why shows like Naruto, Death note, are so popular here instead of Jojo
Jojo is not a masterpiece, but it have something unique, it can reinvent itself everytime and it's so original, Jojo won't end till Araki is dead
This is what you call a hipster.
Huh, I think I could make something like that.
I should read through part 3 again to get an idea of which action text to use though.
I would want to keep the jap text since it's in celebration of the part 3 anime. Would feel weird without the ora ora.
It's not popular because it didn't get a dub.
It didn't get a dub because of all the music references.
Araki refuses to allow anyone to remove the references.
The countries that Jojo does well in have luxury fashion lines and Araki has done work for many of them.
Keep that in mind.
Name me one franchise that actually gets better with more popularity.
Jojo's popularity in America is irrelevant.
You just want it to sell well and be popular in Japan, which it is.
Can I do it after Part 3 airs? I don't even care about phones. I just want to watch anime, read manga, and play games. And I don't use a phone for any of those
Mario I guess. I don't really let popularity effect my opinion on a series.
>jolyne best jojo
>not the blood thirsty cripple
No, a hipster would think of every little thing as "I heard it before you!"
This series getting popular in the west, can only kill any interest left for it. Just look at what happened to video games.
It's illegal to reference shit now? I thought copyright only applied to the actual use of the material..
>Araki refuses to allow anyone to remove the references.
Makes me wonder how on earth they got to localize the game. Or does Araki not give a shit about it?
Yeah but his fashion work is a result of JoJo's popularity in those countries, not the other way around
Why is the first post always shit?
>why shit i like is not popular
>everyone must love same shit as I do
Faggots like you are pissing me off.
Not only that, you are also are ignorant, manga for the most part is not translated and officialy not selling because of copyrights, of course not so many people know about this.
And popularity with bunch of entry levels like you only make things worse.
Everybody knows Johnny and Jolyne are both the best
Too bad that isn't how the fashion industry works. If a designer likes something they show it off.
well the capcom fighting game made back in the day sorta just changed the spelling of all the characters' names. It worked? I guess heh. Also an HD remix of the game came out last year on psn.
I could be wrong, that's just the usual excuse for why it's troublesome for the west (or atleast America) to have Jojo. Also why the PB movie never had a release outside of theaters.
Is Jojo chronological? Like, if I want to start reading, do I just start at chapter one and go on from there?
Tough but fair, I guess I'll go get some rope
>>why shit i like is not popular
>>everyone must love same shit as I do
I haven't implied this things
Well Ixion Saga DT had "Imagine" by Beatles in one episode, the Commie version had it because it was the television broadcast rip but CR version had changed it to just one track from the OST because of copyright problems. As far as I know it's illegal to distribute material like that in American unless you pay tons for it.
>know about something before it gets popular
>it gets popular
>It's shit now
>It was way better before everyone knew about it.
The two concepts are very much related. I don't really know what you mean by video games.
I don't let it get into my opinions either but let's face it, more popularity means more catering to the masses and this is the shit that hurts the franchise the most.
see : videogames
Yeah but the new game has so many more references and they're still localizing it. Some of the references might be pretty hard to avoid.
Why would you want something you like to get popular? That only ruins it for you and everyone else that has liked it for years.
>do I just start at chapter one
That's what you do with every book you read.
yup. Well you could read Steel Ball Run by itself it you want, but I wouldn't do it.
Yeah, all parts go in the order of release. Part 7 starts off a new storyline, but it's still recommended to read all the first 6 before that. Skipping parts isn't recommended
He's right though. Let's just say you won't know how it feels like until it happens directly to you.
Isn't Beatles common domain yet?
Mostly just some classical songs are free to be used
I don't care if this get popular or not
I just asked why something so great is not popular on the west
Ah, alright, cool. I knew the different arcs had different names and that the anime doesn't start from the beginning, so I wasn't too sure if it was meant to be read in order.
Try analyze words you use sometimes.
It's not about hating something because it's popular, it's about hating shit that is coming with popularity.
While it could be nice that something you like is also liked by others, but for the most part, many people don't care about it personally, they jump on bandwagon because it's "popular".
It's funny, because I was enjoying JoJo before it was "popular".
There's going to be catering regardless, it just depends on if the person making the series wants to do that or not. For your example in videogames, it's an industry wide thing because they're targeting people, not because something gets popular and immediately goes to shit. Furthermore, videogames is such a vague thing since there are still plenty of good games being made.
You could say popularity is the result of people catering, but you can't saying catering is the result of popularity.
We explained it already, fag. It's a combination of A. Only part 3 was published B. Musical refrences means more localization means more butchering of a lot of the series C. America only cares about shonenshit that's all about powerlevels, and maximum edge.
It's popular enough in Europe, but America isn't the beginning and the end of 'the west'
Op's post was already pretty much shit
>many people don't care about it personally, they jump on bandwagon because it's "popular".
Why is that even important?
>anime doesn't start from the beginning
What? Yes it does. It covers the first two parts. There's an OVA that does some of part 3, but cuts out most of it
>America only cares about shonenshit that's all about powerlevels, and maximum edge.
Jojo has a good amount of all of those, even if it's expressed in a silly manner.
Only Love Me Do and PS I Love You are in public domain, and that's in EU. In America none of their songs will enter public domain until 95 years after their release.
well the new anime does start from the beginning. So far series 1 and 2 have been anime-tized. Series 3, which is the most popular, is going to start soon also. Series 1 is Phantom Blood and Series 2 is Battle Tendency.
yeah I forgot to mention series 3 was the first to ever get an OVA series.
Did you even read JoJo? It was never about powerlevels. It's always been about application of abilities.
You can still have powerlevel arguments.
You can thank Michael Jackson for that one
>The manga is fucking amazing, just, how?
It really isn't. Parts 1 was a solid, bad but entertaining TV drama style story. Part 2 was a solid, bad but entertaining Hollywood action flick story.
Part 3 onwards he seemingly traded in all writing ability for being able to think up crazy ideas/concepts, because his actual storytelling and pacing turned to shit for about 15 years until SBR. and even then SBR got iffy towards the end.
It's fine if you like it, it has a lot of style and is very memorable.
I don't get why people keep trying to pretending that liking jojo is some sort underground thing that needs to be protected from the hordes of plebs when it's the 9th longest running manga in the entire fucking world and has influenced and been referenced by pop culture for longer then many /a/ posters have even been alive
Just because it's broken, doesn't mean it's measured in Powerlevels.
You guys are shit, this thread is /v/ tier
Clearly you haven't dealt with people starting to hog at your favorite manga that was relatively unknown after years of trying to make people like it but ignoring it.
It's like when you come up with a good joke and you tell your colleagues and no one laughs, but then the popular guy tells the same joke and everyone thinks it's hilarious. It doesn't feel good no matter what.
All I want is for............FUCKING BERSERK TO ADVANCE GODDAMN!!!!!
When you beat something broken with something more broken, it starts to become a power level thing.
Ripple was also pretty powerlevely
>Jonathan gets super powerup when he inherits Zepelli's ripple.
> Cars super ripple fucking up Joseph
I think it's just worry about the anime possibly getting localized and ASB coming to the west. It's stupid to act like JoJo is a big unknown for the exact reasons you say, but personally I really don't want to see dozens of more faggots that thing "ZA WARUDO XD" is contributing to any sort of discussion.
maybe I am off in saying this, but I find Jojo's to be rather bland and generic
I think you just have shitty people around you/you're a shitty person. I've never tried to introduce something to someone and then have them come back later loving it. The only reason for that to happen is that A. You did a bad job introducing it to them or B. The person doesn't really want to listen to what you have to say/isn't your friend.
Any rational person that gives something a try is going to either like it or dislike it and keep that opinion. If something gets popular and they start to like it for whatever reason, I don't think that would really hurt me so much. I know I'm decent enough person that it isn't a reflection on me, so the person just change their opinions, I did a shitty job at introducing it to them.
Hamon is a Martial Arts technique, of course it'll be something powerlevel related. It's not much different from Kenshiro or Riki-Oh.
A Stand is a psychic guardian projected by one's will. It's abilities vary in numerous outcomes (i.e. what happens when you figure out someone's real name or what happens in your sleep becomes reality.)
That's why it's not measured by it, because what's the point? When I say "broken" I mean it's really broken beyond the calculation of it's power level, it's just he fucked with logic if it were a valid excuse.
Generic compared to what now? There's aren't really that many series that have the same tone and style as Jojo.
>Jojo's to be rather bland and generic
It's better than try-hard edgy shit like Attack on Shiton which only has characters added in them just for the sake of having them killed off just for the sake of shock value for the viewer.
fatty was literally only added so that kira could explode someone and seem like a threat without killing anyone that mattered
Style it's all that left if you look under skin.
It's quite typical battle shounen, and the earlier was even more like that, no JoJo style we all know, just a badly drawn HnK rip-off.
I hated that kid anyways.
I'm just saying Jojo has is all about power levels but there is some degree of power levels in the story.
I mean the whole thing with Part 6 is Pucci trying to power himself up to ridiculous degrees. Sure he died to a shitter stand, but there's still a obvious sense of power progression which can be attributed to power levels. Also some stands are objectively better than others, just look at Hermit Purple.
did anybody in part 4 but josuke and jotaro matter
>implying that hermit purple is a bad stand
It's an infinite amount of ropes that channel ripple, and can also be used to learn all sorts of things you shouldn't
That's how joseph won all of his fights in part 2, it's the perfect stand for him. the problem is just that he's 70 (aka 400 in anime years) and totally outta shape
Fatty was added to make you hate him.
So you didn't really read much of Jojo past part 1, which even then was fairly different than HnK for how stupid and ridiculous things got.
Koichi was used briefly in part 5.
Unique abilities don't really change situation, it will be just another variation of can shiki kill "Dancing in the Shadows" or "King Prison".
I don't know, I just don't measure it in Power Levels, it doesn't really make any sense to me. Pucci did great lengths in evolving his Stand more and he took advantage of the gravitational alignment to fuck with Time itself.
When I think "Powerlevels" I think of something like Nen-users in Hunter x Hunter or something like Haki in One Piece. Both series presents themes of the characters going through rigorous training and going beyond/master their powers.
>So you didn't really read much of Jojo past part 1, which even then was fairly different than HnK for how stupid and ridiculous things got.
dude cmon, I'm a pretty big part 1 appologist but cmon
Jonathan looks pretty much identical to kenshiro, right down to eventually getting the shoulderpads, and the entire manga is about how his brother is an asshole and he needs to murder his ass to be with his love
In a fight Hermit Purple is still a lot shittier than most other stands, especially in combat. Stone Free can do the rope part in addition to free healing and nobody really knows if all stands can carry Ripple since Araki stopped giving a fuck about it.
>Ripple ever being useful past part 2
Also The World apparently can do everything Hermit purple can.
>So you didn't really read much of Jojo past part 1
It's quite insulting when someone telling you that you "didn't read/watch that" just because opinion is not same.
>which even then was fairly different than HnK for how stupid and ridiculous things got.
It wasn't, first volume which was mainly introducing Dio and Jonathan was done in more or less Araki style that he keep untill JoJo.
But right after that it become HnK with vampires, same goes for part 2.
what he did in part 5 does not reflect how important he was in part 4
I'm not saying it wasn't similar at the core, but just all the stupid shit like Dio freezing shit and swords and hugs warming people up, helps stop the genericness a lot
from part 2 on the comparison to HnK is pretty silly. It's really not an opinion to be had. It's like saying Jojo is like SAO or some shit. It just isn't true.
Part 2 loses a lot of the classic martial arts aspect of it and more about this brilliant bullshitter getting away with ridiculous shit. It isn't nearly as serious as HnK so the comparison is really bad. The style is similar, but by Part 3, Araki very much developed into his own style, that continued to progress to the point where the HnK comparison is just bad.
well I was more referring to the David Production's adaptation.
I mean, it just "feels" like something is missing, like something is holding it back, wether it's the studio or the source material I don't know, I mean it's not even remotely close to being something like Brotherhood, in terms of being an action/adventure/shounen/adaptation
I think the problem is not it being illegal or not, but the music industry having WAY to much money to waste they can make you spend way too money in legal fees than it's worth, regardless them being wrong or not.
Also, they are morons because music references would just mean free advertisements for them
Doesn't that imply it's not generic?
Didn't finish the post, but mean tot add,
but rather a matter of taste?
no, because I think there would be an underwhelming minority of people who actually thought JJBA was a better shounen adaptation than Brotherhood.
This is how
Part 2 is variate from HnK, but you just trying to make it like it's totally different which is not.
For the most part it's the same, same formula, same aspects of fighting, atmosphere might be different, and honestly, Araki impression of HnK goes with JoJo all the time, not with HUGE PEOPLE but rather with it's characters and storytelling.
>brilliant bullshitter getting away with ridiculous shit
>It's like saying Jojo is like SAO or some shit
It's quite funny because Joseph tricks seems to be a asspuls represented as "smart" tricks
>For the most part it's the same, same formula, same aspects of fighting,
You say this but outside of part 1 I don't see it.
Make some clearer comparisons.
and yeah Joseph is full fo asspulls, that's what makes him entertaining.
Esidisi is actually right.
Both him and Wamoo's names were only SIMILAR to the katakana for AC\DC and Wham!
Three reasons it's not popular in Clapistan:
1) Music industry will sue them with all their might for every retarded thing that they can. Out here, companies and getting money is far, far more important than artistic integrity. So Araki keeps it minimal in America.
2) Guys generally get turned away because the dudes are all wearing extravagant attire, have bulging muscles, and pose in very flamboyant and flashy manners. All of this screams 'GAAAAY' to the general idiot who only reads manga for edgy bullshit or for muh powerlevels.
3) Fujoshit don't pick it up in America because they want all their boys to also be brooding, dark, gloomy faggots who have no muscularity or visible backbone, because for whatever reason that's very big out here. Jojo characters are to that archetype what burning spice is to a cup of water. They'd have no interest in it naturally.
Guys want their MCs to be blank slates with no personality to self-insert as when it comes to powerlevel bullshit. Girls what their guys to be Edward Cullen. Jojo's aren't either, and thus the only people who love it are those who simply love the series for what it is.
Popularity is never, ever a good thing. Especially in America. This niche community out here is very enjoyable, and I would be devastated to wind up with the SAO retards jumping onto the Jojo fanbase.
Why did it have to be so clunky
because american is actually hate gay but pretend to like it for Muh freedom.
yes you may say b b 'but its not gay manga!', but this is the same moron that elect bush twice. It will never popular for retarted reason
I don't know what country you come from, but I couldn't have said it better myself.
Also same people elected Obama twice, there is no limit to their stupidity
u said it all to well my friend
>gloomy faggots who have no muscularity or visible backbone
Well make up your mind.
Duwang's wisdom is never matched.
my theory is that americans are alien to the concepts of elegance and beauty
>americans are alien to everything
No, that's those dirty Mexicans.
>It's quite funny because Joseph tricks seems to be a asspuls represented as "smart" tricks
>Implying shounen back in the 80s didn't do this all the time
Have you not read Otokojuku?
Either way, I just don't see the comparison to HnK in Part 2 at all. Can you actually explain how it's the same in formula and aspect of fighting?
The depth of the American understanding of elegance and beauty is "what did the TV/advertisement/movie tell me is elegant and beautiful?". Beyond that they have no concepts of the arts.
As an American, this absolutely depresses me. Especially with fashion. If you dress in any way noticeable, you are immediately targeted for wearing "gaudy" clothes. If your outfits aren't from a name brand, they are knockoffs of whatever said name brand is. If you aren't buying the same exact shoes and shirts and pants as everybody else, you're either a hipster or "dress poorly". The only way to dress "right" is by buying brand name clothing, and only the clothing which is in no way visibly unique from the others around you, so as to secure with everybody you are fashionable, but not being seen for it.
It saddens me that some of my fellow americans place so much emphasis on what others around them have to say.
ProTip: People ostracize outsiders everywhere, not just in murrrikkka.
I'm really about two steps from dressing full-Danganronpa or full-Jojo and walking the public streets. The only thing stopping me at this point is money for materials. I keep buying figures, and it's slowing down my trips to local fabric shops.
It looks "too old".
Do you live in Portland or something?
I live in Boston.
Are you saying you're ripped enough to pull that off?
>try to introduce some friends to Jojo
>"Haha, this is the gayest thing I've ever seen. When did you start liking men?"
It's the memes, jack, the nature runing it's course, people spreading them to others, you can't fight nature.
As odd as it sounds, I'm pretty damn fit. I run on my treadmill and lift weights right in front of my TV, so I can anime and exercise at the same time. When it comes to Manga, it's harder to o that because I need to constantly keep turning pages, but I typically do Manga while working on my legs. I'm certain I could pull it off. Shame nothing can be done about my face
>Introduce Jojo as the gayest funniest thing ever to my friends
>they all love it.
You just need to introduce it as what it is and let people make the decision to like it.
Maybe they're calling them hipsters because they're actually hipsters.
WASH AWAY THE ANGER
I have considered that.
>Popularity is never, ever a good thing. Especially in America. This niche community out here is very enjoyable, and I would be devastated to wind up with the SAO retards jumping onto the Jojo fanbase.
Only people with no friends say things like this.
I should know, I was exactly the same, when I was 16 and liked watching Gundam Wing after high school. I didn't want the things I liked to become popular out of spite of others who weren't 'like me'.
And then I grew up and realized that it honestly doesn't matter who likes the things I like, as long as I am the one enjoying it.
Jojo has a lot of stuff that people don't like, and I don't care. As long as it appeals to me, good enough, and if more people start liking it, awesome. It's not my job to act as gatekeeper over shit like this.
I became a happier person when I made this realization.
hipsterism is hardly a real thing.
>Only people with no friends say things like this.
If you have friends, it's your duty to recommend it to your friends. I have friends I've shown Jojo to. Some liked it, some hated it, a few LOVE it. Those guys are the ones I can talk about it with frequently. I do not want it to be massive and overly popular just because "I have friends".
To be fair and honest, it sounds as if you're the one without friends here, needing people to know about it ahead of time so that you have something to talk about.
>Implying shounen back in the 80s didn't do this all the time
I don't really see where you get that, or how is that related to anything, however it's actually giving a lot more genericness.
>Can you actually explain how it's the same in formula and aspect of fightin
The same as it was before? relying on macgial martial art that can be used in any form you want to, talking a lot and very short "movement"? boss fightan, passionate speeches and sacrifices?
It deviates of course in terms of atmosphere, but that's mostly because:"what if Kenshiro actually has a personality".
That's not funny, my brother died that way!
ugh, do you even know where you are?
My normalfag friends wank over Attack on Titan like it's sliced bread and treat it like it's the Ten Commandments and they only like it because of the characters that get killed off. I try to show some common courtesy and introduce them to manga like One Punch Man or JoJo's Bizarre Adventures when I have the opportunity.
The only reason I think is why they like it is because they have a limited range in anime/manga. I would like to show them something like Space Runaway Ideon since they like the grimderpness on Attack on Titan, but the animation and art style is too old for them. I'm glad I got my nephew to read JoJo. Sage for blogshit.
My normalfag friends wank over Bleach like it's sliced bread and treat it like it's the Ten Commandments and they only like it because none of the characters get killed off. I try to show some common courtesy and introduce them to manga like Gundam: The Origin or JoJo's Bizarre Adventures when I have the opportunity.
The only reason I think is why they like it is because they have a limited range in anime/manga. I would like to show them something like Sailor Moon since they like the fluffiness of Bleach, but the animation and art style is too old for them. I'm glad I got my nephew to read JoJo.
Ideon was some crazy shit. I mean god damn, they chopped up characters as if they were in a slaughterhouse.
>not much different from Kenshiro
Except you never saw characters giving each other Hokuto Shinken power boosts like with Hamon in Jojo.
Hamon is the same as powerlevels in DBZ that uses "breathing" to justify it.
I said "Not much different".it doesn't mean they're exactly the same.
They both share a similarities in martial arts with carefully being flexible without much strain or easily besting your foe depending on his weakness.
The key with hamon is that Araki went through a lot of trouble to make up bullshit explanations, which makes the series so much more enjoyable
True, but then again, HnK was the pinnacle of bullshit with each attack name and info being explained.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Araki was inspired by that.
Those are two of the worst examples of powerlevels you could've used. Both series are similar to Jojo in that the revolve very heavily around situational application of abilities.
Powerlevels would be like Dragonball Z, Bleach, or Naruto usually. Hell, Yu Yu Hakusho went full powerlevel shonen in the Demon World Arc.