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Who loses first and who wins at the end?
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>>100397294
Considering how much you've gimped Berserker with wurmboy, Tohsaka/EMIYA.
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Kerry's got this.
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Is there any difference between seiba and Arthur?
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How powerful is kariya ? Not tohsaka or archibald level but much higher than waver.
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>>100397294
>Iri tries to fuck protoSeiba, team Seiba might self destruct
>EMIYA learns Tokiomi's sluttiness and stupidity: Drown in your ideals and die!
>Team Fast wheels surely fuck up because Slut-ui
>Waver-Rider might actually work
>Herc kills Kariya faster than Lancelot can
>No REJOICE for team Assassin
>Uryuu is not husbando material for Medea, dead Uryuu

At best Kerry, Kayneth and Waver are higher chances of winning, unless EMIYA choose to murder Kerry to prevent Fuyuki fire that prevents the creation of Shirou even if paradox will not apply.
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>>100398203
>Iri tries to fuck protoSeiba, team Seiba might self destruct
Why? Kerry doesn't care.
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Caster and Berserker both kill their masters within a few minutes of being summoned.

Kirei would use Assassin like he did Lancer, to fight defensive battles with each servant and gain intel about them. (assuming he is still teaming up with Tokiomi) Gilgamesh wouldn't be there to convince him to betray Tohsaka, so Archer and Tokiomi would do very well for each other. Tokiomi wouldn't hesitate to use Command Spells as necessary when Archer acts sassy.

Saber would be killed by Lancer. Unlike Kirei, Kayneth wouldn't tell him to hold back. That said, it's possible that Kiritsugu would see this coming and alter his plan accordingly.

Waver would have a tough time with this Rider, but he would also be able to do things his own way, which we never got to see since Iscandar controlled the pace so much, so who knows how that would turn out.

The war would probably come down to being between Kayneth and Tokiomi, with Kiritsugu being the wildcard.
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>>100398036
Proto!Saber's Excalibur is on par with or even stronger than Ea. The issue is that it has severe limitations on when it can be used. It's honestly probably the single least-practical Noble Phantasm in the entire series.

Also, Proto!Saber doesn't have Avalon, but that's not really an issue when Kerry's the Master.

If you think about it, the most efficient and practical Saber is actually probably Fate route Saber.
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>>100397867
>implying waver won't be killed first

he only survived because he had MANIDER with him. Female rider won't protect him long
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Better question is who would win if all the masters moved right one square.
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>>100397294
Wouldn't Kariya die nearly instantly because of berserkulees insane power draw?
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>>100397294
Medea would probably murder Ryuunosuke herself. She's not crazy enough to get along with him, and considering her fetish for cute young girls, she'd probably be horrified at the shit Ryuunosuke's done to them.

Assassin is pretty worthless for Kotomine's general style. Assassin's a straightforward attacker and too straightforward. It's a terrible match.

Herakles would drain all of Kariya's reserves in less than a day.

Archer would probably find Tokiomi rather distasteful for what he did to Sakura and would likely act on his own fairly often.
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>>100398295
Lancer
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>>100398203
Except Archer still have respect for Kiritsugu, and Kiritsugu did try to keep Shirou from having any contact with the mage world and lifestyle because of how cutthroat it is. And Shirou still tried to immerse himself in it in trying to become idealized image of what he think his adoptive father was.

Archer's actions in UBW was more about taking his frustration out on Shirou, he knew that it is a very far stretch for the the possibility that a time paradox could even affect a multi-timeline/dimension Counter Guardian. The record of those spirits are basically outside of time in the first place.
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>>100398295
I wonder if Sola-ui is desperate or bisexual enough to get away from Kayneth that she'd try to les it up with Medusa.
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>>100398295
That's actually interesting.

>Kiritsugu/Archer
"Drown in your ideals and die!"

>Tokiomi/Lancer
Actually a pretty powerful team. Not to be underestimated.

>Kayneth and his Waifu/Rider
Kayneth gets seduced by Rider, this time jelly ensues from his red headed waifu and she purposely gets Rider killed.

>Waver/Hercules
He wouldn't be able to control him at all. And not in a good way like Alexander. Berserker would go on a rampage and try to kill everything in sight, and Waver would freak the fuck out.

>Kariya/Assassin
Not too interesting. With Kariya's worms, Assassin would probably be too focused on protecting Kariya (and he would do a damn good job of that) to accomplish anything.

>Kirei/Caster
Caster would probably be the one to betray Tokiomi and steal Lancer for herself, and then team Kirei would be pretty powerful.

>Ryuunosuke/Saber
Dies quickly because Saber is Lawful Good, and Ryuunosuke can't into command spells.
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>>100398463
but could herakles win the grail in a day?
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>>100398696
not if archer and caster teamed up
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>>100398463
>she'd probably be horrified at the shit Ryuunosuke's done to them.
She wouldn't be horrified, but she would be disgusted and think of him as pathetic.

Still, she might try to keep him alive as a pawn.
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>>100398696
No.

Kariya's an idiot without an ounce of strategic know-how. He'd probably spend up all his reserves going after Tokiomi.

Also, just a head's up: God Hand's lives don't normally regenerate. Heracles would only have twelve lives total the whole war. The only reason they regenerated in the Fifth War was because Ilya's that fucking good. Kariya can't even compare. So already you know that Berserker's going in gimped.
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>>100398788
ALL THOSE GIRLS SHE COULD HAVE DRESSED UP IN FRILLY OUTFITS

FUCKING RYUUNOSUKE
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Archer has this in the fucking bag. Kill everyone including Kerry and his wishes come true. Also, Archer isn't a super dick like Gil and won't try to make Kirei go on a path of self-discovery of evil.
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>>100398821
>Kariya's an idiot without an ounce of strategic know-how.

Are you stupid? Kariya wasn't "an idiot without an ounce of strategic know-how" unless you only watched the anime. In the novels he uses sight-worms to spy upon the first formal fight of the Grail War while hiding someplace safe instead of the random nearby alleyway they showed him in in the adaptation. He's fine as far as strategy goes when he's lucid, it's just that he's not lucid by the time the Mion River battle starts, which is about halfway through the series. He only shows up in one battle prior to that point, which was the one I mentioned. You're completely talking out your ass.
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How would you rank Hitler as a servant?
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>>100399220
Absolute garbage. Can't fight worth trash. Modern weapons can't be noble phantasms.
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wait who was the grail in F/Z?
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How about the FSN timeline with FZ servants?
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>>100399437
A cup.

They didn't put it in a person this time.
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>>100399220
OP against divine beings considering he has Longinus.
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>>100399573
I'm pretty sure it was Iri
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>>100399601
Could have been. But I know there was an actual cup that formed, and that was what Saber attacked.
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>>100397294

>Uryuu/Caster
Will probably fucking hate her master. Even though they're both "evil", he's too psychotic for Medea, and she'll probably get disgusted by his wanton cruelty. First team to die.

>Kotomine/Assassin
Kotomine never really relied on Assassin in the 4th war, so his combat effectiveness will probably be unchanged. Maybe even improved, since Fake Assassin is at least a better duelist than True Assassin. Also, without Gilgamesh to corrupt him, he'll probably stay loyal to Tokiomi, acting as his personal bodyguard alongside Kojiro. Though maybe, because Archer despises him, he may discover his evil side. I bet 2nd-to-last to lose.

>Matou/Berserker
More or less the same story as last time. He just won't have the skill or magical capacity to properly manage Berzerker, but get by for a while with brute force. 2nd to die. Killed by Tohsaka after Archer goes UBW on Berserker's ass.

>Waver/Rider
As we saw from Sakura in HF, Rider can be a pretty badass servant with a competent master. Waver may not have Sakura's absurd magical circuits from her Tohsaka blood, but he'll be a lot better than Shinji. On top of that, his kindness will likely make Rider a very loyal and capable servant. His main enemy in the war will be Kayneth, and their conflict will make up a good chunk of the story. Ultimately beats Kayneth, but after the battle is assassinated by Kiritsugu. 4th death.

>Kayneth/Lancer
Cu Chulainn will prove to be a much more reliable servant than Diarmuid, especially without that annoying fucking mole curse getting in the way. After managing to barely escape Kiritsugu's attack with Lancer's help, he'll focus his attention on his student, and the two of them will have an excellent duel of Masters and Servants. In essence, it'll be the only true Mage Battle in the entire war. Hell, in all of Fate. And it'll be fucking awesome. 3rd to die.

cont'd
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>>100399867
>2nd to die. Killed by Tohsaka after Archer goes UBW on Berserker's ass.
>implying Archer would use UBW that early in the story
Come on man, you got everything else right.
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>>100399867
>Tokiomi/Archer
Tokiomi will take up the reigns as a sort of protagonist/antagonist to Kiritsugu, and the story will give each character roughly equal sympathy. On Tokiomi's side, he's the only mage truly in this war for the sake of finding the root and nothing else. His motivation is pure, and essentially noble. But he's goddamned ruthless about it. He pulls every trick in the mage book, and has Rin's good sense and intuitive magical skill. He'll probably have trouble with Archer's independent nature, but since Archer isn't as blatantly arrogant as Gil, they'll have a grudging respect. He'll also keep Kotomine's loyalty... probably, which will prove an invaluable asset, and will be the main reason that he's so successful in this war. Will survive until the final battle. Can't decide if he wins or loses.

>Kiritsugu/Saver
Kerry will be even more morally ambiguous in this war. His ideal will be presented in a positive light, but because of the contrast of Tokiomi, his brutal anti-mage warfare will seem more villainous. We don't know a lot about Saver as a character, so I assume their relationship will be similarly strained as before. Maybe a little less because "omg king arthur is a gurl ewwww" will no longer be in effect. Still, their ideals will not mix. Also, Archer will have a serious bone to pick with Kerry. Final battle will be Kerry launching a full assault on Tokiomi at the site of the holy grail. It'll be like fucking Batman vs Superman. Saver will get in a two-way duel with Archer and Assassin and win. Maybe Kotomine WILL betray Tokiomi at the last second, believing "The Root" to be a wasted wish, and will unleash the evil of the grail and become... I dunno, Dark Kotomine?

>>100400098
No reason why he wouldn't. Tokiomi has the mana reserves, and Archer already knows how Berserker's 12 lives thing works because he's fought him in past timelines. With the power-down from Kariya as a master, he'd easily be able to kill Berserker with UBW.
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>>100400517

Ooh, ooh, wait. I've got it. Kiritsugu wins the final battle, killing both Tokiomi and Kotomine in the process. Saver is exhausted, but alive. Finally, standing before the Holy Grail, Kotomine is about to make his wish for peace throughout the world. However, Saver will discover the evil inherent in the grail, and destroy it with EX-CALIBAH. Boom. Fire everywhere. Kerry barely survives. Not realizing why Saver did what he did, Kerry becomes furious. He believes that his ideal for true peace was stolen from him by a proud knight, and the massive devastation from the destruction of the grail proves it to him. He becomes deeply bitter, and vows to win the next Grail war by any means necessary. He rescues young Shirou, and decides to train him to become a Sword designed only to win the Holy Grail War. Kiritsugu becomes the new series villain.



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