#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Previous thread: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100335793/
Had anyone started from djt and afterwards successfully communicated with nips?
I post on lang8 to nips. I talk in Japanese/English with them. Never talked one on one with voice though.
So I've been using Tai Kim's guide and I've got a pretty solid grasp on writing and reading Hiragana and Katakana now. Thing is at the end of the Katakana guide he mentions using the small 「ッ」 but it's use is kind of blown over and I'm having trouble figuring out when and how to apply it. Is this character used extensively in Katakana? Is there another guide or resource I could use that would help me understand it's use?
It's used in all kana, not just katakana. For example the word: かっこいい、カッコイイ
It's romanized as kakkoii
And I should amend that when I say "reading" I mean I can sound it out. I don't know many words.
Wait, so is it just applied in the same way that っ is for Hiragana? If so that would make a lot more sense. The guide had me confused since it didn't really spend any time explaining what the hell it even was.
Yeah, it's exactly the same concept, but in katakana.
How come Google IME won't convert ぐらむ into 瓦? Does nobody ever write it in kanji?
>Does nobody ever write it in kanji?
Okay thanks. That makes a lot more sense now.
As a side note, I'm going to be starting on kanji soon... Hope I don't fall off the bus. It seems like quite the hurdle.
'Noun, Usually written using kana alone'
In my personal experience I've never seen it written any way besides katakana.
If you're plowing through hurdles with a bus it doesn't sound like you'll have much trouble. You might fall off the wagon though, if you set the bar too high.
Any good Anki decks that flash the kanji, then the meaning and kana? All the ones I've downloaded flash the meaning then the kanji/kana and the kanji never sticks to memory.
You can edit the deck to do that. All you have to do is switch the fields on the template and all the cards change.
I just started learning last week. When am I allowed to come back and post?
in 100 years
Oh, I didn't know you could do that, I use Anki on android, not seeing an option there. I'll just edit it on the computer then. Thanks.
Select the deck, select "Add" and in the screen that pops up select "Cards".
So what exactly does the google IME do when, for example, I type in "か”and continuosly press the space bar? Or a word like "すし"? I understand that it changes many things into kanji form if you do that but there can sometimes be 100's of characters to choose from. What are all of those?
When you have a question you can't reasonably find the answer to. Seriously, most questions here are just from not reading or searching at all.
Welcome to the abundance of homonyms in a language that has to assign thousands of kanji to little more than fifty syllables.
Well, one of the reasons that Japanese is harder than Chinese is that a single Chinese character can have 5+ syllables in Japanese, it can only have one in Chinese (as far as I know). So it's not that thousands of characters map to ~50 different sounds.
Are you talking about グラム as in gram? Loanwords are usually written in katakana.
And how many of those are even commonly used?
What is this the 明治 era lol?
Well the official "Commonly Used Kanji" (Joyo kanji) list has 2136 kanji on it, so there you go.
It can have more than one in Chinese, and often does, but it's not as many as Japanese.
I made that comment based off my limited experience with Cantonese a long time ago, sorry for the ignorance.
For people that did the core decks, how many cards a day did you do, and was core 6k/10k enough to get you reading manga?
I am currently doing 50 (new) cards a day and doing reviews of all cards every few days. It feels slow, but I'm sick so I have an excuse.
Also, when I finish core10k (and enough tae kim for grammar), will I be able to read japanese forums discussing said manga, or would that require more?
Could you list some examples? I took (mandarin) Chinese for two years and I don't remember a single instance of more than one syllable per any character, but I'm willing to believe that I've just fucking forgotten.
I didn't start here, though I still began on the interbutts, and I can communicate with nips fine in real life abou general shit, though the amount of things I can talk about is admittedly a bit limited due to vocabulary.
Characters only represent one syllable per character in Chinese, they can have multiple different readings though. >>100382385 is probably mixing syllable and reading up.
It takes more than doing random vocab to git gud. And you are sick for not just letting anki tell you when you need to review.
Anyone care to enlighten me about what 若干 means and how it's used? A lot of japanese people use it but I can't seem to get it works.
Looks like a typical adjectival thingie to me.
Shit, it took me like 10 minutes to write this and it probably sounds completely unnatural and stupid. Writing is so much more difficult than reading.
Yeah excuse me. I wasn't thinking. He's just talking about kunyomi.
I usually see it as an adverb.
>Also, when I finish core10k (and enough tae kim for grammar), will I be able to read japanese forums discussing said manga, or would that require more?
If you have started reading a while before that sure. If you intend to do all of the textbook shit and jump into reading your first reading experience is going to be hell.
Well whatever you call it, going by those few examples looks like it can function adverbially or as a の-adjective, like a lot of things.
Well I think if you look at things like 多くの, and so forth, it's safer to call it an adverb than an adjective. It doesn't really matter, but I was just stating,
>Writing is so much more difficult than reading
多くの is as far as I know a somewhat atypical case so I don't see the value in that comparison, but I agree that it doesn't really matter.
There are a lot of words like this where it is hard to precisely decide the category, though I feel like most の requiring adjectives tend to be nouns, which is why they require の to establish the relation.
Just how bad is taking a couple days of break? I have to take a break because I need to spend my time studying for other things.
So long as you don't make a habit of it it's okay I think. I spent ten days without studying during the holidays and after a week of reinforced reviews I was already back on track.
Most of the detriment is psychological, I think, unless you take weeks off at a time. People who run sometimes say that for every day you take off you have to spend double that time to get back to where you were, I'd say that's a good rule of thumb here too.
>I'd say that's a good rule of thumb here too.
Depending on how you look at it it could be a good motivator to.
I actually meant to say, 自分で as in "The Japanese they learned by themselves". Would that be wrong?
In this case I really meant 立てる. As in the potential form of 立つ not it's transitive equivalent.
damn moot and his image swaps.
Nice motivational video.
Anyone wanna give me some hints translating this untranslated miku song?
The first two lines (I think) go:
Orange いろ 上げれば とびちって
当りを 真赤 に いいの 着けていく ゆっれ
Did I get the individual words right? Is ゆっれ some weird way of saying ゆくり?
>Tons of work this week preparing for auditions
>Got behind on my reps
>Preparing for a marathon all-weekend study session
I'm really upset at myself for making excuses.
I'm really upset at you for blogging
woops, I meant ゆっくれ, not ゆっれ
Sounds like ゆくれ to me but then I got annoyed by the dubstep.
I'm skipping my reps today and there's nothing you can do about it!
well, right, sure. But what does ゆくれ mean?
When are you nerds making a new guide?
whenever you write it
When there's need for one.
I'm just starting Hiragana, is this legible?
You did this on purpose, right?
I'm definitely checking those.
Yes, looks good.
What song is that?
How possible is it to learn japanese by myself?
I had classes for three years and finished the basic course, but after a long time without studying at all, half my knowledge went down the drain, specially regarding kanji. I would go back to taking classes, but since now I have college and work to handle, I don't know if I'll have the time.
Not to say I forgot everything, of course. I can with some effort read Yotsubato! with a dictionary beside me.
How far in Tae Kim should I get before starting out 2k?
Or are the example sentences supposed to look like gibberish until you acquire a greater proficiency?
Learn all the kanji, then learn all the vocab. Only then are you ready for Tae Kim.
You just keep rescheduling words you don't know in the sentences and looking up grammar until it starts to make sense. It's a decent start on very basic grammar and prepares you for doing the same thing elsewhere.
I don't know, I think he should at least learn up to Oracle Bone Script before getting into Tae Kim.
If the question is stupid you can just tell me why.
For how long do you usually spend time studying? I usually allot about an hour and a half to two hours a day where I focus solely on studying and then do different things the rest of the day. If I spend a day studying off and on it's bad for my psyche.
I study until I pass out then immediately start again. Writing this comment is the first time in 3 years that I've temporarily stopped studying.
>I usually allot about an hour and a half to two hours a day where I focus solely on studying and then do different things the rest of the day.
Do you work/study? Just curious more than anything else.
I still think a lot of stupid questions would be stopped if the guide just recommended people start with a real textbook.
I mean, it may not be the most efficient start, but it at least keeps people from asking "Which should I learn, kanji or vocab?" and "What's a onyomi?"
23 hours a day
No it doesn't, that doesn't at all entail that people will necessarily remember things like that or even read the parts that explain that. People will do whatever regardless.
No it wouldn't. People go for the path of least resistance.
大統領が国境に二つ、兵隊を送った － 正しくない
大統領が二つの国境に、兵隊を送った － 正しい
you're basically asking if its possible to learn anything by yourself. which is silly.
while a language will prove to be more difficult to learn on your own it is entirely possible as demonstrated by many of us here.
I'd suggest grabbing a Grammar book(Tae kim, Genki) and a anki deck.
read the OP for more information, which you should've done before posting
I was only up to the r/u-verb past tense conjugations before i started on the Core decks and started reading Yotsubato&! and was able to parse most of what i read.
>Do you work/study?
With the time not spent on japanese? No. I work during the day, come home and study for like two hours and then relax. I can only Nip so much in one day before my studying starts becoming less than effective.
>I can only Nip so much in one day before my studying starts becoming less than effective.
I have the same problem with my おちんちん
Why exactly do machine translators fuck up so much on East Asian languages?
They fuck up on every language that isn't western european or of a similar type, and they still fuck those a good degree too.
Because there isn't the nearly 1:1 similarity between any given romance or even indo-european language. They come from a different source to their very root. Completely different method of expression and computers and the people that program them have severe autism when it comes to things like understanding the illogical.
Because context is important. Formality is also an issue so it tends to be overly polite even when translating death threats and other such things. Translation in general is not a science, things are rarely one to one, if they're good translations at least.
Computer translators don't understand language, they just look for words that are close enough. Words can mean literally anything, regardless of what they mean.
If there's a group of people all taking turns shitting on some guy named Jim.
Person 1: Jim is a faggot
Person 2: Yeah, fuck him
Person 3: Interesting weather we're having, huh?
What person 3 is saying has nothing to do with the meaning of the words in their sentence, they're changing the topic because they don't want to insult Jim, presumably.
I wake up, take my study pills, study for 10 hours, force myself to eat something, sit around and watch some anime as the drugs start to wear off and my mind becomes too foggy to continue studying, and then I knock myself out with some benzos. Rinse and repeat each day.
God bless America. Speed capital of the planet.
Meth was invented by a Japanese chemist
Japan turned their backs on their proud heritage of being speed otaku though.
Japan has some of the strictest stimulant laws in the world, but in America we give amphetamines to toddlers.
Fellow Klapistani here, how do I get study pills?
assuming you have insurance go to your doctor, bitch about things, go to a shrink, talk about your failures in life in a way that is concurrent with ADD, go back to doctor, ???, pills, profit..
So I basically have to convince a shrink that I have ADD, right? Shouldn't be too hard.
Go to your nearest doctor and mention a few generic ADHD symptoms from wikipedia. Most American doctors will just dish out an amphetamine prescription within less than five minutes, usually they will be writing out the prescription before you finish your sentence.
There's basically no legitimate regulation on speed prescriptions in the US. Getting a prescription for ADHD is like getting a prescription for medical weed in California, anyone can do it. It's only a formality, the doctors know that you just want speed and they're happy to give it to you.
>go to a shrink
In America? I know Canada has stricter laws and require a shrink's approval, but i never had to see any shrinks in the US. I was in and out in five minutes at my local family practitioner.
I didn't see this anywhere in the guide or Pastebin, but here's a dictionary dedicated to Japanese dialects:
There are many expressions in here that straight up cannot be found in Jisho for some reason. It's particularly useful for when you run into some weird Okinawan expression and you have no clue what the fuck it means.
Is there a way to browse without looking up anything specific?
p cool shit nig
Just leave the search field blank and you'll get "Displaying results for everything".
I keep seeing Gengo ads, wat do
what the fuck is wrong with ryukyuans
How do I become Japanese?
Donate all your money to a shinto shrine and then kill yourself. You'll have about a 50/50 shot of being reborn as a jap.
What's the other 50%?
God bless us.
being reborn as not jap
Don't do it, it's not worth the risk!
The ryukyuan languages are like Japanese's weird brother and aren't even or are barely mutually intelligible.
Is there any other books or manga for beginners besides Yotsuba that you guys recommend?
Pick something that you're interested in. I'm sure there's something that interests you that isn't too complicated. Having something you actually really want to read goes a lot further than reading a super easy book for the sake of reading an easy book.
As long as what you're reading doesn't have strange vocabulary or pretentious bullshit, you learn enough vocab that's used heavily after the first couple of chapters that things become easier.
きのう何食べた？ is good if you like cooking and stuff. there's even recipes at the end of every chapter.
Catch the pocket monsters
Teach me and I'll teach you
Does Pokemon use a lot of kanji outside of the 2000 juggalo kanji list?
This enough あ's?
Yah I can see that giving more motivation than just picking up whatever. Majikoi should be simple enough. Thanks
Ill check it out as something to read when im away from my computer. Thanks alot.
That handwriting is terrible, do it fifty times more.
Found this while dicking around on jisho
>university graduate who has failed to find a high-paying job
Literally "ant tribe"
I've never played it in japanese, but I'd be surprised if it uses more than a handful of basic kanji. I can't imagine imagine it goes beyond the juuyou kanji.
no. better do a couple more pages. can't have you forgetting it tomorrow can we?
50 times isn't enough for you, do it 2500 times
>tfw you actually want to read Yotsubato&!
Put it off till i actually knew some Japanese since i thought it would be a good experience.
By the end of the notebook you might even make it to お.
Everyone and everything has a 族. There were a couple I found before that made me giggle besides all the 花族, but I seem to have forgotten them.
He even made a キ, む and チ with just learning あ, this man is a fucking genious
Do you have any objects of motivation that you keep near your computer to encourage you to keep up the fight?
I have the war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army hanging on the wall above my computer and this 1/6th scale figure of a Japanese Commander, modeled after Toshiro Mifune, standing next to my monitor.
I salute the Commander every time I wake up in the morning and go to the computer.
I have a large bowl that I use to collect my semen, my dream is to go to Japan and convince all the women to let me impregnate them with a turkey baster.
a box of tissues
I use them when I salute the Commander every time I wake up in the morning and go to the computer
Learning some words is just depressing
Yes. only on volume 2 but I've enjoyed Yotsubas childish adventures so far.
>Do you have any objects of motivation that you keep near your computer
My object of motivation.
Nice. Mifune is the shit.
Yes. i have 5 volumes of 狼と香辛料 sitting on my bookshelf.
thinking of getting Log Horizon as well.
Kanji is so hard, how are you supposed to memorize/write that shit?
>All of the cute little Japanese children that were sobbing and crying out ”お母さん！” as they dug their way out of the rubble of the firebombed and nuked cities that they lived in, only to find that their mothers, the rest of their family, and most of their friends were dead.
>All of the Japanese children wandering aimlessly through the ruins of their cities in little groups and holding each other's hands as they desperately searched for their parents.
NEVER FORGIVE THE WHITE PIG!
THE DRAGON WILL RISE AGAIN AND THE AMERICANS WILL KNOW THE PAIN THAT 日本 SUFFERED!
Hire a male prostitute to fuck you in the ass every time you forget a kanji, see if you still forget
And thats the only way?
How do they do it in japan?
Try to memorize it as module called 'bushu'
I was reading a comic (Daidai wa Hantoumei ni Nidone Suru page 5) in which a mother is surpriseed that her daughter came home soaking wet and says:
え？ ちょっと 何よソレ！！
Why did it use ソレ instead of それ?
Thank you very much for the help, you all are helping me a great deal.
I think you've seen enough hentai to know the answer to that.
Vocab and sentencesand learning radicals and fucklots of writing
Drill till you remember.
It probably helps if that's the only way you have of reading or writing, since it kind of forces you to become fluent if you want to do anything in the society. Same reason why immersion is generally the best way to learn a language rather than taking lessons from online guides.
Either to emphasize it or to make it more clear that it was separate from the よ、 certain authors write half of the words in katakana, it's usually just a stylistic choice.
I've got volumes 1-5 of Korbo coming in the mail tomorrow.
Whats harder to learn?
Assembly or Japanese?
Who Japanese ASMR here?
I listen to these videos every night as I sleep. I'm convinced they improve my Japanese on some subconscious level.
Japanese, ASM is artificially hard. If you use macros it's not even that bad.
I don't know if it really does anything but make me have to wash sheets more often.
Japanese girl bathes and massages a bear for fifteen minutes and fifty nine seconds.
Japanese girl scratches a bears belly for twelve minutes and three seconds.
Japanese girl treats a wounded frog.
Have you ever had a point of such low self confidence that hearing just about any girl talk just sounds like they're making fun of you? I just had one of those moments.
Try Urara1966 for asmr from Area 11.
Have you ever had a point of such high self confidence that hearing just about any girl talk just sounds like they're trying to fuck you? I just had one of those moments.
I was being arrested and I took my dick out
You just described my entire high school experience. Of course, girls only talked to me when they had to, like when doing joint projects and such.
Have you ever had a point of such medium self confidence that hearing just about any girl talk just sounds like they're casually talking about you? i just had one of those moments.
My favorite is the one where the Japanese girl struggles to teach Japanese in English. It's cute.
>Final one is "thank you" in Japanese. Thank you in Japanese is ありがとうございます. This also has R, but this is not real R. Hrmm... As I mentioned before, this R is the middle sound of L and R in R... Ahh.. むずかしい
I remember seeing some scatter plot in my linguistics class that showed that English speakers over estimate the actual difference between [L] sounds and [R] sounds while Japanese under estimate the difference.
So the Japanese accent seems worse to English speakers than it actually is from an objective measurement.
what is ビシヨ ?
No but I see a lot of すs
the fuck does that mean
Does anyone else touch themselves and think about learning Japanese with some cute otaku from /jp/?
You would be doing your reps and they would be sitting in a little beanbag chair, stroking their weenies, and yelling out things like, "Youmu is well-fed! Patchouli is a good girl!"
is that onomotopoeia?
びっしょり and びしょびしょ are.
you are the best ~
did you just say everyday you are shuffling
オレンジ色 あげれば(?) 飛び散って
辺り（あたり）を 真っ赤に 色付けていく 夕暮れ
Opening a orange-colored (can). Title is "Canned sunset"
Forgot to add: besides 開ければ , >>100398290 's seems right.
>We have lived together with the god
>??Since the day the god appeared, and bestowed on us the opposites/extremes of a declaration? and curse??
>You are the final move needed to put an end to this curse
Pretty sure my interpretation of the second line/second bubble in the second panel is completely fucked since it makes zero sense in any context, can't find any reference to the usage of 宣 alone either. Anyone have an idea? ;_;
［音］セン（呉）（漢） ［訓］のべる のる のたまう
Definition 3 fits the situation. So maybe it's something like "ever since that day, that the gods appeared bestowed us with both a command and a curse. "
I can't listen to ASMR
My dick just gets hard. I can't deal with people speaking softly
I'm always afraid of screamers.
Thanks a gorillion anon
I guess I should check pure J dictionaries more often, have noticed the J->E E->J ones leave out a few older/literary usages quite a bit
Cant seem to grab the rikaichan dictionary off their site since its down. Anyone have a seperate link?
Has this actually happened?
Fuck now I have to worry about screamers in porn and ASMR. My dick can't rest easy anywhere.
I'm sure a quick scan of the comments is enough to be fairly confident if it does or does not.
Why is there sometimes a ん right in the middle of a word?
like すんごい or 汚いんだ
I can't stop writing all my Japanese in the passive tense
I hate America. Does anyone else here hate America?
I don't hate it but I'm not a big fan
I live here. It has problems that need to be fixed, but they are too big for one man
Im not a fan of how inconsiderate most people are but thats too be expected from a individualistic society.
What the hell is this. You all told me panties was pantsu. I knew that panties was pantsu well before I even started learning Japanese, it was supposed to be a concrete thing, everybody said it. I don't know what to believe anymore. Do most people call it pantsu and this is just a one-off thing?
you're taking this way too hard. Both are common.
Beginner-level runestudent here. Are there any good apps I should keep an eye out for that could help me in learning/studying Japanese? My friends use Obenkyo, but that seems to be android-exclusive and I'm on an iPod touch.
I've picked up Tae Kim's grammar guide, but that's about all I'm working with atm. I'm looking for any useful app suggestions.... grammar primers, sentence building, even kana drills, since I'm not kana-literate yet (I know there are plenty online but they don't help refine handwriting or stroke order).
Anki if you don't mind dropping $25.
Ankiweb if you do mind dropping $25.
likewise instead of getting an app for kana just drill it on realkana.com on your phone.
Aside from that I don't really know much about apps, the only app I have is puzzle and dragons. Sorry.
What the fuck are you talking about? Both Anki (for PC) and AnkiDroid are free.
Also I can't really recommend any apps for learning kana since I was on an iPhone while learning kana.
iAnki costs money.
Oh, I'm retarded and interpreted his post as being on Android because of the Obenkyo mention.
I guess that's what you get for picking iOS then.
Regarding recognition learning. Should I have all the japanese on the front and the english meaning on the back?
Apple fanbase is retarded so it's $25.
>I guess that's what you get for picking iOS then.
Yep, but it was a gift for college a few years, I really should upgrade but it hasn't broken yet. Iphone 3 too strong.
I've been using http://www.realkana.com/ based on a recommendation from a previous thread and in just a couple weeks my improvement is enormous
I've already moved on from kana to grammar and sounding real words out, and I even know enough to type stupid shit here and have Anonymous call me a dumbfuck
2:40 am, 183 kanji left to review
No, America is #1
I'm on several leaderboards at Sonic game center. I input USA whenever possible.
How does this make you feel.
>able to read pretty well but can't produce for shit
I think I did something wrong guys
Did you mean Sega Game Center?
No, I did not. There's a game center in Chiba called Sonic.
Interesting. I've never been to Chiba.
>worked on recognition and not production
>surprised he can't produce
Come on anon, get your head in the game. If you care about production, do production cards, learn the radicals, and write down kanjis and such.
I do some production exercises, it just doesn't improve as fast as my recognition. Maybe I need to start talking to people.
It's pretty big too, a lot of fighters and shmups. Biggest I've been to, but despite this I can't find good pictures except this.
>mfw that's actually pretty cheap for Japan
>half of thread is anon chatting in japanese
damn man u makin me jelous der
a lot less than half. Don't lose your way and you can join them in posting nonsensical shit.
Is that jealousy I detect?
Nah, it's honestly nonsensical half of the time. Usually Americans pretending to be Japanese people pretending to be Koreans pretending to be German.
Also I'm a little jealous because some people are really good.
I was being lazy around the internets, when I suddenly found this:
What the fuck? Why aren't you consistent with your own language? As if it wasn't already hard enough to learn it as it is. Goddammit, I think it's the first time I'm so mad over two characters.
What exactly is the issue?
Gikun are pretty consistent considering japs attached native words to ching chong runes and anything that isn't a jukugo was originally either a gikun or an ateji.
Nihongo no Mori's Kawama sensei "Ekubo Basic Japanese Lessons" on YouTube jump from lesson 9 to lesson 26. Where do I find the rest?
there's probably no other usage for those kanji, they'll always appear together and mean "lemon". doesn't that actually make things easier?
I don't see the issue. It's an old word that you don't have to learn. It's always written in katakana nowadays. It's like getting mad over the fact that "gay" used to mean "happy". Damn, so inconsistent?
Is there a resource that goes into the importance of information in relation to sentence order and how particles effect it? I've already inferred that info important to the speaker is closer to the verb, but I don't know what clause order and choice of particle is doing counter to that. If it's hidden in the DoJG and I just haven't found it yet, I'm going to commit sudoku
I was getting mad over something silly. The reading of those kanji is lemon, which is a foreign word. For some reason (probably related to WWII and shit) they decided to use two kanji instead of the usual katakana because fuck foreigners (no, really, that's why).
The problem for me was that it has a foreign reading. Somehow, that made me snap. But I've calmed down and I've seen that I was being silly. It's not like I didn't know about the kanji they used for foreign countries, for example.
Easier? How? I have to learn two kanji that aren't used for anything but lemon. It's not like 海月, for example, where I can simply remember what each kanji mean and somehow associate that pair to the word and reading, or, even, if I'm desperate, I can write them down in a computer and use rikaichan.
Now you may need to wonder why did I found that while being lazy and not while doing my drills.
>For some reason (probably related to WWII and shit) they decided to use two kanji instead of the usual katakana because fuck foreigners (no, really, that's why).
but that's not true you fucking retard
Doing an RTK deck just for gikun, plants, and obscure kanji is really the only time rtk is useful. The effort put in is about equal to knowing what a 桐 or a 蚯蚓 is when it comes up.
somebody can't into sarcasm.
Goddammit core, are you going to give me a sentence with the 東京特許許可局 next?
Same word, same meaning, same reading.
戦う is more on war
闘う is more like street brawl
Ok, fine, same dictionary definition.
Fucking really? You're citing jisho as proof of anything? How about looking at a j-j dictionary you dumb fuck
Ever since I read about 16th century grammar book example sentences like "Coachman, halt the horses, for the postillion has been struck by lightning.", I've stepped up what I consider worthy to learn from
How how about you calm down over two words.
Not him, but it's a really good point. The reason there is so much engrish out there is because of shitty glosses like jisho. Putting rikai in sanseido mode is a good idea if you haven't already and if you can't understand what it says you should do whatever as long as it involves keeping your worthless opinion to yourself.
Is there any better way for j->j definitions on Rikaisama? Sanseido mode takes too long to load definitions.
I'm not sure, but I think you can download the sanseido dictionary it uses.
>About 99 percent of all applications are approved. In 2010, for example, 13,072 were recognized as naturalized citizens and 234 were rejected.
>Of those approved, 6,600 were North or South Korean nationals and about 5,000 were Chinese.
Why aren't you a Japanese citizen yet?
Judging from those stats, because I'm not Asian.
would I have to pay Japanese taxes?
Got interested in Japanese recently, does anyone actually do traditional practice? (Writing something 20 times while repeating it in your head)
I've been doing nothing but traditional practice, it's getting far harder now that I'm starting with vocabulary and kanji...
>I've been doing nothing but traditional practice
yes, but that's unrelated to you being a citizen or not.
50 fucking times you bitch
That's how I learnt Chinese, figured Japanese would work the same way..
Is Anki etc compulsory? I have tons of free Japanese language books available in the school library.
used to do 60-100 times for hiragana/katakana, it's mainly about memorizing sound rather than words now.
>Why aren't you a Japanese citizen yet?
>All good prescription drugs are illegal in Japan and the ones that aren't illegal are extremely hard to get.
>Try to bring any of your prescriptions with you and you will get locked in some solitary confinement Japanese prison cell for years.
>No government welfare to leech off.
>No guns allowed, other than a hunting shotgun or a shitty old rifle and you have to be a citizen for years, go through all sorts of crazy tests, be lucky enough to be one of the handful of people chosen for a permit (gaijin never get one), and constantly keep it in a specially designed locked carrying case just to have access to those guns.
>Other than teaching English, it's basically impossible for gaijin to get a job.
Japan is best enjoyed from afar or maybe the occasional vacation. You couldn't pay me enough to live there.
But doesn't Chinese have only 1 pronunciation per character and don't the radicals usually indicate how it could be pronounced? There's no such thing in Japanese.
>Other than teaching English, it's basically impossible for gaijin to get a job.
you know a lot
Not really, many words have multiple pronunciations and meanings in different contexts.
I'm not sure what you mean b "radical" but if you mean the curly things on top of the word, they only exist in the romaji texts(which is basically non-existent once you graduate pre-school)
IMO Japanese's harder mainly due to how the same word can have several pronunciations etc based on context. This rarely happens in Chinese. (However, they'd use different pairings of words in different contexts.)
>Is Anki etc compulsory?
No, but it's retarded not to use it so it might as well be
Other way around, it's easy to get a job except teaching English.
Every weaboo in the world wants to teach english and heard about the prospects of doing so. However they missed that boat like 10 years ago.
>no guns allowed
>no government to leech off
I don't know anything about this but isn't there a paper you can get from the embassy if you have a doctor's note. Then you can buy something similar in Japan. (no Benadryl+ in Japan ;-;)
I only did that for kana. The workload is too big for anything else.
>>no guns allowed
You Americans are the weirdest people on Earth.
I fail to see anything negative in your post except the last one.
Chinese is hard to pronounce. The whole language is sing-song chink shit with all of those tone shifts.
>妈(mā) 麻(má) 马(mǎ) 骂(mà) 吗(·ma)
>(Being "mother", "hemp", "horse", "scold" and a question particle, respectively.)
Trying to learn a language that is filled with shit like this would make my brain melt. I hated singing back in the mandatory school choir classes and I still hate it now.
What's the difference between 新年 and 正月?
正月 is 1月1日
Which one would you use for New Year's Eve and greetings and such?
>>Other than teaching English, it's basically impossible for gaijin to get a job.
Education system here forces you to learn the language of whatever ethic group your mom belongs to regardless if she actually speaks it or not. (I think. It's called Mother Tongue after-all)
新年 is literally new - year.
正月 is the first day of the new year IIRC
Always been curious about this, if a language is based on tones. What do you do when you're sick and can't really do tones properly.
Your handwriting is actually really nice. Traditional doesn't seem very efficient but it does help with production.
I think you should juggle traditional with other methods. Especially when it comes to vocab/grammar.
>Education system here forces you to learn the language of whatever ethic group your mom belongs to regardless if she actually speaks it or not. (I think. It's called Mother Tongue after-all)
That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
>but isn't there a paper you can get from the embassy if you have a doctor's note
Only for drugs like pain killers or valium since those can be legally prescribed in Japan. No stimulants allowed though, you can't even go through the embassy to get an OK for bringing in a one month prescription during a temporary vacation because of Japan's ridiculously strict anti-stimulant laws that they created after the whole country got hooked on meth back in the years after WW2.
Ah that's bad, it actually explains a lot. Especially why selections at pharmacies tend to be pretty shitty.
I rarely get sick or have issues so I guess that's fine but I imagine anyone who has a prescription for most chronic diseases would be fucked.
Unless you have a horribad sore-throat + flu + fever at the same time, most people can guess what you're trying to say from the choice of words.
(they sound pretty different, go watch a random chinese video on youtube or something)
Works pretty well IMO, everyone here's bilingual in English + Chinese/Malay/Tamil/[insert asian language].
You have to have a native level of proficiency and be so good at Japanese that people would think that they're some white guy who was born in the country.
All of the normal and easily attainable jobs that are available to native Japanese like working in a store or a restaurant are almost impossible for gaijin to get. They don't have affirmative action laws so why would they hire some white guy with broken Japanese to do a Japanese job when they could hire someone who speaks Japanese fluently and has lived there their entire lives?
It's harder for a gaijin to get hired at some shitty Japanese retail shop than it is to get a job that pays four times as much in an English country.
You're forgetting about IT/Graphics etc where language doesn't really matter.
Well that's why.
If you get a degree you look very very desirable. Even if it's the most bullshit degree from the most bullshit college, Japan overestimate American degrees.
Language matters in IT and most expect BJT N1, N1+, or equivalent.
They need to expect you to know business communication.
>implying DJT Level 1 is anything near native proficiency
Stop contradicting yourself and pretending you have a clue about what you're talking about.
I never said it was native proficiency.
Guys, what is a good alternative to Genki? I want to try something else before I deem myself literally retarded.
Tae Kim. Read the OP before asking questions please.
>16th century grammar book example sentences like "Coachman, halt the horses, for the postillion has been struck by lightning.",
I really want to see this.
What do you listen to when you're doing your reps?
Nothing. I've tried it many times but I just can't do them as well if I'm listening to anything.
Does learning the meanings for the jōyō kanji increase your learning speed when you move onto vocab?
I can knock out 100 new kanji a day in anki, but only if I don't add more than 10 new vocab on the side. Anything past that and it's just too hard to retain all of that in one day. At 100 kanji though, I'll be at the point where all I will have left to do is reviews in about 10 days since I'm already through 1100 kanji in this deck.
I don't like taking such a long break from vocab, but if it will help me memorize vocab faster in the long run then I guess it's worth this 21 day break to go through the jōyō deck.
How about learning less kanji per day and vocab at the same time
Yes. I don't think RTK is for everyone but if you're doing 100 a day and actually remembering them then it's probably worth it.
Just read grammar on the side instead of trying to learn new vocab.
Mix of calm or "dramatic" music from various Anime OST or covers of anime songs like Rasmus Faber.
I usually drown out all noise when i focus on anything so i forget it's even playing.
Anyone know where I can find some videos of Japanese wood carvers?
I don't know why, but there's something about the sound of carving wood that puts my brain into "the zone" and gives me crystal clear focus. I can effortlessly memorize things when I listen to wood carving, but if I listen to anything else or if I listen to nothing then my retention, focus, and memorization ability plummets from 95% to 10%.
I've exhausted every English wood carving video that I can find. I've listened to this video alone maybe 80 times now and it's starting to make me go a little crazy from hearing the same thing over and over. I desperately need some new material.
At times when I think DJT is being really stupid I take a look at any other place discussing learning Japanese and it's like getting a hard slap to the face.
djt is surprisingly based. Have there ever been a survey?
I'm usually not a fan of doing this shit, but I want to find out roughly how many people have made use of the DJT to learn Japanese and to what extent.
So please, fill this out if you'd like to
Well I voted advanced, but I wouldn't actually claim DJT ever really helped me. I learn something new here maybe once every couple months.
The objective is not memorizing it as clear as possible, it's just familiarizing yourselves with the kanji.
No, the objective of RTK is learning the kanji well enough to write them from memory.
No, you are bound to forget some of those 3k kanji you'll encounter in RTK, especially those that are rarely used.
Instead of keeping with memorizing RTK, just starting vocab that time will do more profit
voted beginner. i didn't get my start here but it has helped me a great deal by providing resources, a clear direction and different views on the learning process.
also a good motivator reading about others going through similar experiences
Since that makes no sense as a response, I'll merely repost what I just said in the hope that this time maybe you'll understand it.
>No, the objective of RTK is learning the kanji well enough to write them from memory.
What a useless poll. Why would people past beginner-immediate even be in a thread about learning Japanese?
>Why would people past beginner-immediate even be in a thread about learning Japanese?
I don't know. To help new learners?
to talk about it maybe? people like talking about objects of interest.
>just finished Yotsuba& volume 1
>meaning I also finished the reading pack
Well there goes my easy way of looking up words I don't know.
motivator. If i see people learning and doing their anki, i for some reason gets motivated
>talking with a jap
>completely freeze up and can't think of anything to say
>500 kanji translates to 10k vocab
because you're here forever.
Just interpret it as "hasn't read any real japanese yet"
Since there are occasionally retards who do all of Core 10k before starting to read.
I know the guide says that there is no real real order for learning Japanese, but i have no idea where i should start.
Can you guys tell me where you began as well as the order you learned it in?
Any tool recommendations would be nice as well, especially for Kanji.
You can't learn japanese.
Learn Kana first and foremost. People who type in romaji personally irritate me, also it's just a bad habit to get into.
From there on it's debatable.
just do >>100425693 said, a shit load of stuff concurrently and start reading as soon as you can.
>ふひょうしだん (Infantry Division)
>Hiragana and katakana deck in anki. Finished in one day and continued reviewing for a few weeks before deleting the deck.
>Started the jouyou kanji deck the day after finishing the hiragana and katakana decks.
>Started Core10k deck on the same day as well.
>Started reading two chapters a day of Japanese the Manga Way (grammar book)
>Did 50 new kanji a day and 20 new vocab a day.
>Finished all of the new cards for the kanji deck in about 40 days.
>I had extra time left over because I now only needed to review kanji, so I moved the 20 new vocab a day up to 50 new vocab a day.
>Once I had finished Japanese the Manga Way, I did Genki 1 and 2. This was easy because I already learned most of this stuff from Japanese the Manga Way, so it was pretty much just reviewing.
>Currently doing Core10k at the same pace and I still do the reviews from the kanji deck whenever they pop up.
Once I had finished Genki 1 and 2, I played Pokemon and Zelda Skyward Sword. After that I played Rance Quest. I then increased the challenge and played through the Phoenix Wright games, which was significantly more challenging but a good learning experience. I'm currently playing through Daiteikoku.
>歩兵 pawn (shogi)
That's actually kind of amusing.
Also, it seems rikai-chan is a bit retarded like usual.
>People who type in romaji personally irritate me, also it's just a bad habit to get into.
God I hate jisho so much.
>100 per day
what the what
I find romaji a mess to read.
Just give me the kana and I have no problems.
>100 per day
I guess he doesn't learn the KUN/ON?!
That's how I feel about kana, I feel like I have to drudge through kana if all I see is a lot of kanas.
I'd rather read a passage with tons of kanji even if I may not know the kanji.
>dinosaur means terrible lizard
>anki has become the official method of learning japanese
Yeah man, we should just go back to writing kanji on animal bones and shit.
>it's actually possible for normal mortals without access to actually good university courses or life in Japan to learn Japanese now
>Was thinking about trying to learn German or French
>No decent language decks for anything other than Japanese
>No non-Japanese equivalent of Rikaisama
How do people even learn languages other than Japanese?
There are other languages?
>How do people even learn languages other than Japanese?
They don't. Europeans learn European languages because that's possible since they're close enough linguistically for school and textbooks to be able to teach them properly and that's about it.
How? Unless they do a stupidly fast pace they would take forever and likely burn out before finishing 10k. If I did nothing but reps I'd forget everything since I wouldn't actually be using it.
Because other languages are piss easy to learn.
not any different then using RealKana plus you can get a deck with vocals which helps a lot.
Sometimes i feel like i can't read or understand shit and sometimes i feel like i can read anything like a real nipponese. Its like my brain just shifts the japanese switch on and off by itself.
Today is one of the shitty days and my reviews were garbage. Help.
>you will never translate Japanese immigration documents for the US government getting paid 50 an hour
>you will never teach english to cute little 中学生達。
>tfw suddenly all rep words are political
I haven't even learned the common nouns!!!
Speaking of common nouns, is Minecraft a good source for learning them?
>is Minecraft a good source for learning them?
Why would you even think this?
>minecraft useful in learning a language
What is going on in your head?
If you just want to learn to understand people talking in Japanese, is the best way still to just learn to read/write it?
Because there's a lot of common shit in Minecraft?
There are almost no words in the game itself. Aside from item names and that ranges from like 30-40.
and it depends how common you think dirt, cobblestone, arrows, and skeleton are.
And by a lot you mean about three dozen dirt- and rock-related words?
I guess you're right, but I don't want to know a handful of advanced words before I even know the simple baby shit that toddlers know.
So why don't you use a better deck?
I'm guessing you're using the Core deck. Just suspend everything in step 3 until later.
It's the core deck, there's no better.
>Today is Friday
>Get it right two times and click "Good - 1d"
>Card isn't scheduled to reappear until Sunday.
Why is this happening? Did my anki break?
Everything is getting pushed back a day further than it says.
Is this bait?
>there's no better.
Well in the end of the day it is words you'll need to learn eventually. It's not like you're a child that needs to know those words for the next day.
You could also just do >>100430794
I don't see the issue, it's saturday.
Shouldn't it be appearing on Saturday if today is Friday and the card is set to appear in one day?
Do you have the load balancer addon?
Yeah, does that cause everything to get pushed back by one day?
I've had it for awhile but I didn't notice this until just recently. Not sure if it's been like this the whole time that I've had the load balancer add-on.
No, it makes it so the reviews are spread evenly over the next few days instead of building everything up to large spikes.
For example, if you start a new deck and do 10 cards, there will be 5 reps tomorrow and 5 the day after.
I don't like kun'yomi/native words. Although I think some of them are the most beautiful sounding Japanese words, I much prefer on'yomi/sino-japanese words. Guess they're just easier. They also sound stiffer and authoritative, it always make me picture some angry Japanese guy shouting insults at filthy, baka gaijin.
>make me picture some angry Japanese guy shouting insults
Me to anon. its funny how many kanji I've remembered by picturing a angry Jap shout it at me.
I'm halfway through the kana and when I'm practicing on real kana I can type what shows up in under a second. But if someone were to come up to me and ask me to write down the hiragana/katakana of "se", for example, I would not be able to do it.
Is this bad?
Depends on whether your objective is to be able to read+write or just read.
How do you do?
My name is Miki.
I am Japanese.
I live in Japan.
I'm happily married
I like in Hawaii.
I'm looking for some girlfriends who can talk on e-mail.
I don't speak English.
But,I would like to be a good speak English.
I would like you to teach me English.
If you just want to read stuff, it's fine. Recognition and production are two different skills.
I was the same way. I'd imagine it just takes more practice and familiarization to come up with the character in your head rather than see it and associate it with a certain sounds.
It's the same way that multiple choice will always be easier than simply being given a question and then space to answer it in.
If I keep moving foward will I eventually just pick up a better ability to write?
"Wu tang clan ain't nothing to fuck with" is how we all greet each other in America now.
yes yes we all know about japanguide
why is japanguide full of old hags recently?
>tfw I write to someone I found on there
If you add writing practice to your study sessions, then certainly. But it's not something you'll just pick up without practice.
After learning all kana I finished the genki 1 and 2 grammar books.
This might be a retarded question, but:
How do I use Anki to learn?
I got the core2k chapter 1 deck with 1000 cards because it had the most positive reviews.
Do I just click show and mark easy to the stuff I already know and write down the things I don't know?
I thought this was a tool for learning kanji.
How good is your Japanese? I've been thinking about doing it but I doubt I could have a conversation in Japanese. I'd likely understand what they're saying (or rather I hope I would) but me coming up with replies is basically impossible.
I don't write to them in japanese
you took your time fapping, huh?
Should I write down every new kanji I see and study it separately?
> Imperial Japanese Army
You mean Japan's naval ensign?
Yeah it's kind of a badass flag. Wish Korea would shut up so people could salute it in peace.
>doesn't understand how to use flashcards
You can't learn Japanese.
you didn't read my question. I obviously understand how to use flashcards.
I just want to know how I'm supposed to learn new kanji from this.
How do japanese people write kanji with their keyboards?
The War Flag of the Japanese Army and the Naval Ensign are different falgs dumbass.
what part of
>I just want to know how I'm supposed to learn new kanji from this.
didn't you understand?
Oh my mistake, you know how to use flashcards but you don't understand the concept of them. You can't learn Japanese.
go with a method that's comfortable for you.
if i'm having trouble with a particular kanji i write it down along with its meaning and the sentence it's used in to give me a better understanding of it.
little more time consuming but this is what works for me.
I salute the fuhrer before I study Japanese in honor of the first pact of genuine friendship that was formed between the Aryans and the Japanese.
You're a fucking idiot.
Sorry, I'm not used to dealing with retards so I'm having a little trouble helping you.
Please stop replying to the faggot who tries to repeatedly brag about his underage internet girlfriend that he met through some shitty social game as if anyone cares.
Well you get better by practicing, I was told that my Japanese is pretty much unintelligible. But now I'm actively working on fixing all the small mistakes I made that were adding up into an unreadable mess.
Oh, is it that "jgf" guy? I swear he spends more time bragging about that then he spends with her. The sad thing is nobody cares.
It's digital flash cards. If you flip and you're wrong, you click again. Else click hard (or good/easy if you already know the word.)
Do this enough card is committed to memory.
You can select a general or specific dialect at the top of the page and then click "go". (Either that, or go to the 'dictionaries' section at the bottom)
>All of these posts in Japanese that I can't read
I feel like I'm being left out
This is a form of bullying
So what's your method of learning names/surnames? Do you study the common ones with a deck, or do you just pick up on the names you come across often enough when reading?
I let them tell me or the business card tell me.
I recently downloaded core2k/6k and what would be the best setup for recognition learning?
Back:english meaning, kana and audio
Front:Kanji, kana and audio
>Doing kanji reps
>I have no trouble remembering these things for some reason and I can do over 200 a day with near perfect retention.
Is this my 大和魂? Does the spirit of Japan flow through my veins?
Something about this feels ｓｏ ｒｉｇｈｔ and my mind just clicks with it. It feels as though another person is awakening inside of me. I've lived my whole life and I never knew that this entity existed inside of me. No, entity isn't the right word. It feels more like a man.
Ａ Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ ｍａｎ ａｗａｋｅｎｓ ｉｎｓｉｄｅ ｏｆ ｍｅ．
You do realize that names can be read any fucking way, right? Learning it does no good since you can come across a name you "learned" and be wrong.
Doing 200 reviews a day is normal. If you have perfect retention it means you're going slower than you should be. Increase your new cards per day until you're getting 80-90% correct. If it drops below 80 then slow down.
Oh, it's 200 new cards a day. If I count the reviews then it's a quite a bit more, but I usually don't get the reviews wrong so that part only takes about 20 minutes.
I thought perhaps some of the most common ones only have maybe 2-3 different readings. I wanted to be slightly less clueless when it comes to names.
I always find it hard to believe there are people out there who don't understand how flashcards work.
You should still be going faster if you actually have perfect retention. Might as well use your full potential instead of arbitrarily capping it.
Are low doses of amphetamines likely to cause any significant and permanent damage to my body or kill me?
I keep seeing people talk about them in these threads and I want to unlock my full potential since I'm a lazy piece of shit. I don't want to die though.
I just opened it in a new tab and had it on in the background, sounded pretty chill.
It's not good for your heart so if you're overweight and/or have poor cardiovascular health it might be a better idea to avoid them. Regular doses should be fine as long as you dont take more as it wears off, don't use them too much, and take other precautions such as remembering/forcing yourself to eat, staying hydrated, stretching your legs every hour or so(it's easy to leave them in the same place for extended periods of time potentially causing damage/lack of blood flow).
If you think you're responsible enough to manage yourself and not get addicted then it's fine.
Can someone suggest a process by which one can learn Vocab? I'd just like to hear some Ideas because I don't really know how to approach the mechanics of actually learning it. Do you even do anything outside of looking at it, and reading the reading, and hoping that you'll recall that the next time you see it in Anki? I feel like there should be more to it than that, and my recall rate seems to corroborate my theory.
Beyond that I'd like here what process you guys undergo when you find that a word just isn't sticking, and has, or is on track to, become a leech.
You can always try putting the new word into sentences to help reinforce it.
You have to become one with your inner delinquent.
If you grow a beard, let your hair grow out, and listen to authentic American motorcycle gang music then speed can't hurt you.
I have 2 problems and I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with them.
The first is 自分の買い物のついでだったとでも言えば、さぐがに受け取るしかないだろう。 I don't get if he's trying to say if (she) said something like I just happened to get my shopping done too I'd have to accept it, or if that 受け取る has another meaning.
The next one is スーパーの袋はしっかり俺がたたんでやろう。 Is the たたんで 畳む? Do they really fold shopping bags in Japan or is this some kind of phrase?
If it doesn't stick, it's probably not meaningful to you right now. More so if it is a random term thrown at you by a premade deck without any context.
As for the process, I usually draw vocab from a text I'm concerned with, juggle with it in Anki for a couple days or weeks at most, re-read the text, than discard everything. I don't care for being buried in overdue reviews or doing reps every day.
Your guess is spot on, and your process sounds liberating. Thanks for sharing.
Just started drilling kana (recognition) with realkana earlier today. I used the Angel Beats ost. Mostly Crow Song and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEvNAOVier0
Real answer. The jury is still kinda out. There is contradictory information on the results of amphetamine use in terms of long term neurological side effect. Like there are studies that show damage to dopaminergic pathways while others do not. Also there is a 20% greater risk for heart issues that has been found.
The larger issue is that there is there needs to be more long term studies.
I write my Anki vocab and the example; it also helps with remembering kanji that I have studied. But I don't cover as nearly as many as some of the posts in these threads.
Everyone above me is a faggot hehe
>The larger issue is that there is there needs to be more long term studies.
>Amphetamine was first synthesized in 1887 in Germany by Romanian chemist Lazăr Edeleanu who named it phenylisopropylamine; however, its stimulant effects remained unknown until 1927, when it was independently resynthesized by Gordon Alles and reported to have sympathomimetic properties. Amphetamine had no pharmacological use until 1934, when Smith, Kline and French began selling it as an inhaler under the trade name Benzedrine as a decongestant. During World War II, amphetamines and methamphetamine were used extensively by both the Allied and Axis forces for their stimulant and performance-enhancing effects.
Shouldn't there be plenty of long-term studies if amphetamines have been commonly used for about 79 - 86 years though? That seems much older than most drugs that are being prescribed.
Often times drugs with high potential for abuse aren't funded for research.