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Does TF decide how many chapters to release based on where it ends? It's starting to look like it.
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ousen and kanki confirmed for best generals. Ribuku is a shit
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>>100351159
He even fucked over Ordo by giving him a false impression. It's obvious if you say it like that Ordo's gonna take it the wrong way.
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>>100350790
When will Shin don his plotkai and save the day?
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that last page made the new chapters.
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This is what happens when you pit Ordo's 85 intelligence against Ousen's 97. That +2 leadership advantage isn't gonna make up for SHIT.
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>>100351261
>implying Shin will be the key player who saves the day

Kingdom isn't that bad. Shin will of course get a huge achievement in this war, but just like with Renpa he's not the MVP by a long shot.
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>>100351393
Just stirring up the thread, they will retreat anyway.
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>>100351461
Well, it IS early, highly unlikely that the thread will survive. It'll just be remade when people wake up.

Unless you bring that F5 army on the TF blog over here.
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Oh man,a cliffhanger.
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>>100351159

To be fair, Riboku himself is superior to Ousen and Kanki in leadership and intelligence by a marginal amount, his strength falls behind by 2 points but he never fights anyways.
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>>100351683
Don't you just love it?
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>>100350790
How does the Ordo army not see the fucking battalions of archers behind them? Truly a bunch of idiots.
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>>100351683
Hehehe.
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Ugh I get the feeling that Keisha's trump card is one man army Houken. Rawfags don't spoil me, it's just my guess.
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>>100350790
I wonder exactly how badly Ousen is about to win? If he only enters battles he knows he will win, Ordo is going to get absolutely wrecked right?
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>>100352746
Well, Ordo's current men on the OP's post is only the mountain tribes that could follow him, not the main Yan forces. The amount of rape that's going to ensue.....
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>>100351159
Riboku is one of those people who're so smart that they start thinking others are dumb, and then it bites them in the ass. He's consistently underestimated others and overestimated himself.
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I love this page. You can see how the Hi Shin Unit of now 2000 men fails to eliminate even 1 of those pieces while Duke Hyou's 3000 crushes 6.

Truly, the Duke's army are all monsters.
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>>100352458
It's all Shin's fault. Never trust Shin to make a plan. Didn't everyone learn their lesson before Ten came along?
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>>100353122
No. They were dead-set on ignoring the strategist even if it meant the loss of the whole area and their whole unit. Because "muh camaraderie." The only reason the Hi Shin Unit still exists is because Shin happened to know Ten.
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>>100353122
But it's a good plan, the general's main objective is the Duke's life, he will disregard it all if he can achieve that, and Shin think the Duke is strong enough for it.
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>>100353275
But once everyone realized Shin and En were the ones making plans they were all raging hard. Those were some hilarious faces.

>>100353283
It's not a good plan, it's just a plan. A plan that doesn't even remotely predict what the opponent is going to do in response to your plan other than 'fall for it' is basically primary school thinking.

Even in high school they reprimand you if you do not provide a counter point to your own opinions. And here we have Ten, who hasn't even tried to figure out ways to deduce what Keisha is planning.

I bet she's not all that much smarter than idiot Ordo.
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>>100353417

Ka Ryo Ten: 88 intelligence
Ordo: 85 intelligence
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>>100353417
Keisha hasn't done anything, that means Ten has nothing to go on. You can't look at basic formations and see the enemy's plan, that jsut can't be done. You need indicators, suspicious movement, information from spies, shit like that. Otherwise every single strategy that Ten can think of, and she can likely think of many, are just as likely as the other ones.
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>>100353625
Can't she just set up on a vantage point to keep an eye on Keisha personally then and communicate with flags/smoke? Her sight has to be retarded range given how she can read letters and spot Shin in the Bayou war.
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>>100353838
>Hi Shin Unit
>understanding flag or smoke signals
You have to understand what Ten is working with.
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>>100353122

In Shin's book, the only tactics are offensive tactics.
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>>100353899
But they have Duke Hyou's men among their unit now....come on...Duke....alright maybe not.

Has Duke ever used a flag or smoke before? Probably not
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Something feels off with Karin's formation, it's like some of the units are missing.
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>>100354067
Really? Based on the picture in 305 she has more little unit blocks than Kanmei showing, though it does cut off to the right a bit.

Then again, who knows....Karin seems to be a perfect match for Tou and she outnumbers him by a fair bit. The only big thing in Tou's favor is he has more named characters, especially Mouten and Ouhon. Kanmei has those 3 weirdos, and Ordo has his mountain groupies, but so far Karin only has that toothless guy who seems to do nothing on his own.
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>>100354424
Tou also isn't an arrogant shit treating the battlefield as a giant vanity mirror. Karin lacks any and all leadership qualities. Just another Chu-shit who's used to fighting from a position of superiority where true mettle is never tested.
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>Hey, the supposedly best strategist general of the enemy just runs away with all his troops
>lets advance without any care and disregard all our struggeling troops behind us, because we surely have already won this battle
>what could POSSIBLY go wrong?
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>>100354560
I have some bad news for you. But don't look if you can help it.

Both of their leadership is 92. Karin just uses a completely different approach. In fact, they are both deadlocked in total points, 282. One is stronger in a fight, one is better that using their brains, but the difference cancels out.
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>>100354582
Ordo's used to fighting mountain monkeys, and not the Yotanwa kind of mountain monkeys. He doesn't know about fallback plans.
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>>100354424
I got this feeling that her deployment is also a distraction and she might slip in a unit or two on the mountains.
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>>100354582
That whole mountain king of 50 tribes shit almost seems like a foreshadowing of the real mountain king.
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>>100354688
I'm not talking about in-game stats, I'm talking about actual ability as shown in the manga. Karin fucking broke the neck of a high ranked officer in front of his men just because she didn't like the guy's previous commander. Her second-in-command is a retarded dipshit who she abuses in public. That's not the kind of shit that inspires loyalty or devotion.
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>>100354709
What a slut, that sounds like her.
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>>100354756
Adding to this: She DOES have named characters on the level of Mouten and Ouhon, only because she didn't like their previous commander she sent them out to die, whereas Tou recognizes the abilities of his underlings and gives them the appropriate task.
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Jesus Christ that horse looks horrible
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>>100354756
Those aren't game stats, those are the Word of God stats straight from the omake.

You can count the amount of times those stats have been wrong on one hand.

Karin killed that officer to incite fear into the remaining commanders of Rin Bu Kun's retinue. Given her poor reputation and being a woman, it's very possible that if given lee way these commanders wouldn't think twice about complaining and shit if they were told to be the sacrificial pawns for the next 10-15 days.

Instead, she chose to kill the closest person to Rin Bu Kun's methods (which honestly suck dick which is why they lost day 1 to begin with) and completely gain control over them. That the lieutenant didn't give even a moment's hesitation before kissing ass only implies his real worth in a series like Kingdom.
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>>100354964
Why he doesn't get an assistant that can draw horses is beyond me.
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>>100354964
Retarded horse for retard strength.
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>>100355007
>given her poor reputation
A well-deserved poor reputation, likely due to pulling stunts just like that. And no, sending people to die just because isn't a good way of making them humble and loyal, it's a good way of making them dead or disloyal.
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>>100354923
They didn't die. The only one who died was the lieutenant who we never even saw before he appeared in that chapter. He was to us readers, 100% less useful than Kouyoku or Hakurei.

At most, he was a glorified yesman who held some basic capacity as a commander. He certainly made no attempts to intervene when Tou made his way to Rin Bu Kun, let alone earlier with Rokuomi and Rinbou. Guy was expendable.

You are correct in that she didn't seem to recognize the talents of Hakurei and Kouyoku. Yoku might not hold much weight because even with his shiny sword he still doesn't seem all that impressive being fended off by Ouhon so easily, but Hakurei is indeed a valuable piece.
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>>100355050
>The more retarded the horse, the stronger the general
>There's a gradual change on Shin's horse as he grows
>By the end of the series he rides an extremely retarded looking horse.
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>>100355010
Read the earlier chapters, his horses look much better. It's intentional.

>>100355145
There's no need to make them humble and loyal. They were part of another commander's army for god knows how long. Stuff like that takes time. Time is not something you have in the middle of unending battle.

Should she take the time to coddle these outsiders? Or trust in her own army and make use of the leftovers as best she can the fastest way she can?

You're getting too shonen righteous with your mentality.
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>>100355145
I don't think reputation matters that much in a series where Ousen is the top dog of Qin.
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>>100355180
>They didn't die
That was THEIR accomplishment, not Karin's plan. She sent them out because she wanted them to die. As for expendable, yeah, sure: Then she demotes him and puts someone of greater ability in charge. Not straight-up execution kick because she feels like it.
>>100355272
What exactly is it that would take time? How would it be coddling if she hadn't decided to send them to die? How was the decision to do so a good way of managing talented officers in her army?
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>>100352988
no, the duke did 5 of those himself
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>Han head general dead
>Yan head general probably dead too
>large death flag over the Chu head general and one of his best generals already dead
>probably some more of the Zhao generals will be killed, after they already lost their MUH DARKNESS general

Does anyone else kinda fear, how Qin is just getting too powerfull too early? We are not even halfway through the series and they already rape everyone in front of them
(and yes, I know that they were historically even more dominant. Just seems to kill the tension)
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>>100355357
No she didn't, you are at level 1 reading if you genuinely believed that. Everything she's done is to keep their focus and morale, even if by using negative means.

Just because it's not shonen hero method doesn't mean it doesn't work. Re-read the chapters after. The leftover army manages to do quite well due to their desperation, and because there isn't a hint of tactics the Tou and Moubu army also don't respond in kind because they are overly suspicious.

Naturally, the desperate army is going to inflict more damage than the confused army, pound for pound. In fact, most of them survived.

How else do you think there was still 20,000 men left after 14 extra days of fighting only by themselves?
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>Majesty heir
When did he do it?
Did they kiss or something?
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>>100355525
Probably. I'm guessing he wiped out an entire battalion just by throwing his shield like a boomerang, Captain America style.
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>>100355607
They hold hands
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>>100355568
The series has already taken many liberties to make the enemies more threatening.

-Renpa being present at Sanyou
-Coalition being much bigger than it should be
-Riboku leading the coalition instead of Houken

I'm not really sure how the Zhao campaign will work, maybe they might fake the Earthquake? I don't know. It's Riboku, he can mind fuck anyone given prep time.

The Chu campaign I'm betting on Shouheikun's betrayal + Renpa participating as the ultimate Fuck You to Shin, as well as court politics of Ousen forcing Shin to take only 200k instead of anywhere near 600k.
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>>100355591
Man if Duke Hyou's army of 3000 killing 10000 was any indication of how rape a Great General is, then even on the first day, Tou going Turnip Farming must have at least cost them 5000 by himself, let alone the countless fodder who died in Rokuomi, Rinbou, and half of Ouhon's path.
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>>100355591
>keep their focus and morale
By having them fight at the forefront of battle for two weeks without rest or understanding of what they're trying to accomplish? Why would that make them fight better than Tou's men?
>>100355741
The manga and what really happened are truly two different beasts. I'll be pissed if Shin gets 200k because he's forced into it instead of volunteering for it.
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>>100355357
She might also be planning to get rid of her rivals in order to climb the ladder herself. Considering how Kanmei favored Rin Bu Kun, it's very understandable most of his men would rather go under Kanmei than Karin regardless of reputation.

After all, if Kanmei falls and Karin lives, who gains power over all of Chu's vast armies?
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>>100355954
True that.
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>>100355741
Thats why I said, that its not historical. Qin is made to look weaker then they are.
But even in context of the Kingdom universe, Qin is now getting too strong, if they can wipe out much of the top leadership of the rest of china united.
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>>100355357

They are expendables but she didn't exactly sent them to die, even with the loss of their general the 1st army is still huge.
Moreover she knew that the Qin would try to drag the fight and fight conservatively.

It is true that such management makes her unpopular with the 1st army but it is a way to keep her 2nd army's strenght intact.

The fact that she totally ignored the talented officers from the 1st army is clearly a sign of bad management, she probably did that because she is overconfident and only believes in her own strenght...
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>>100355919
Of course he would volunteer. Shin's stupid. But his faction would obviously not want that. Shin's just the only one dumb enough to believe it.

Having the first army continue to fight means your second army is completely unknown in it's capabilities, while you are at the same time scouting out what the enemy army's at the same time.

You can tell she stopped telling them to go balls out awhile after anyway, because that was the plan she proposed to Riboku. She just wanted the men to realize how badly they fucked up on Day 1, which they did.
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>>100355919
>instead of volunteering for it.
Nope, thats completely in-character for Shin. He will royally fuck up because of his own overconfidence and it will be glorious.
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>>100356087
Well considering how Hakurei was the only talented officer worthy of note for his unique advantage, and he's still injured, his value isn't all that high. Plus one can also consider that Hakurei choosing to turn around and shoot Mouten instead of finishing his shot on Tou as a lack of loyalty to his superior.

I don't see anyone else being valuable. Kouyoku has been pointed out as being unimpressive. Might not be entirely his fault, but Karin only knows the results of the battlefield, and she can only make decisions based on that in the middle of war.
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>>100356093
>means your second army is completely unknown in it's capabilities
They obviously aren't anything special though, apart from their elephants. And if they aren't anything special, then having two armies who've taken turns and therefore both are in good shape would be much smarter. And the men she sent to die (I realize she had her men fight the way they did as paort of the plan) were TOO GOOD to be on the front lines like that. They had talent, they belonged among her tops ranks. Send regualr soldiers out for lukewarm fighting as part of a plan? Sure. Send your best officers to the thickest of it? No. I'm not dissing her plan, I'm dissing her leadership skills at managing her officers.
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>>100356212

And I doubt she would give Hakurei enough weight to throw around allowing him to move where he wants and such, making him even more useless. Adjusting her entire army to one 3000 man unit because the commander is a skilled archer who's injured seems poor.

Especially if she's got morale to keep up. You can't expect to favor one guy for his bow skills that failed and the rest of her own army not being pissed about it.

There's a lot more to this than just the victims.
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That fucking horse, man.
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Under which generaal do you want to serve?
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>>100356285
You're exaggerating. The only men of talent were Hakurei and Kouyoku. The only other named officers are those Rokuomi slaughtered on his path.

Neither of which managed to achieve anything in battle, aside from Rinbou dying to Hakurei. Again, only Hakurei has value, and he's not at 100%.
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>>100356285
You say that, but let's look at the facts:

Day 1 start:

Chu 150,000 man army
Qin 90,000 man army

Day 15 start:

Chu: 120,000 man army
Qin: 70,000 man army

A measly 10,000 man difference, half of which can be attributed to Tou's forces alone entering the battle on Day 1 taking his sweet ass time zig zagging, let alone how no one could stop two army commanders carving their way to Rin Bu Kun.

Your claims are all shonen and baseless.
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>>100356498
>You will never zig zag with Tou-sama.
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The kingdom anime really dropped the ball this time, last time it was rinko not losing his fingers , in the new episode its the xin's general didnt lose his hand. I dont mind the normal soldiers gore toned down but changing the other important characters scene? Fuuuuuckkk, also fuck this captcha
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>>100356285
You don't understand how much work it is rotating huge armies do you? It doesn't conserve as much energy and manpower as you'd like to think.

The 1st army was already going conservative after the second day, and they had more than enough men to rotate among themselves.
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>>100356596
I bet he hasn't read Ravages, or if he did, he's forgotten the chapter of Energy.
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>>100356388
>The only men of talent were Hakurei and Kouyoku
Exactly. Two damn good officers like that aren't something to toss aside, especially not if you look at the level of her other officers. Two officers of around that level have just shifted Karin's extreme advantage into a 50-50.
>>100356498
>A measly 10,000 man difference
A 2-3 difference is not a small thing when that's about the different in size between your armies. And a general of Rinbukun's importance tips the scales in Qin's favour. He was worth a lot more than 10,000 man.
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>>100356564
Life will never be complete.
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>>100356653
Do you just choose to ignore the rest of what I said?

>Hakurei is injured
>Hakurei is not trustworthy
>Kouyoku has achieved nothing this entire war

How on earth are they on the same level as Mouten and Ouhon? Especially Kou Yoku. This nigger is merely 6 points smarter than Shin of all people. SHIN.
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>>100356653
How would she know they are damn good when they failed so hard on Day 1?

>Sword guy does nothing and gets held off by Ouhon who isn't famous and therefore is just nameless fodder to Chu
>Bow guy fails to protect his brother in law and commander despite being given the chance because his life mattered more

Do you think Karin has access to the fucking manga or some shit?
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>>100356882

Reminder that despite Ouhon being 2000 man commander he was still unknown to Hakurei, Kouyoku, and Rin Bu Kun unlike Shin, mere 1000 man commander.

Let alone Mouten.
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>>100356800
>You now realize Sosui is only 3 points dumber than Ka Ryo Ten, 2 points dumber than Kyou Kai, but is 7 points smarter than Kouyoku, and 13 points smarter than Shin
>If only someone else could do logistics, Sosui would have saved the Hi Shin Unit instead of Ten
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>>100356800
>Hurr Durr MUH SHINY SWORD
>Has trouble with nameless commander
>Karin: THIS OFFICER IS TALENTED I MUST FAVOR HIM
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>>100356800
Mouten and Ouhon haven't achieved anything either, aside from stopping Hakurei from bagging another commander. Hakurei is the most notable young officer so far, or was, until Ouhon and Mouten started raising hell at Tou's command. And so what if Kouyoku's just a little smarter than Shin, Shin's a great resource on the battlefield despite being dumb. How is he meant to score achievements if he's stuck on the front of lukewarm fighting? You're saying the guy sucks when he's deliberately been put in a situation where he can't score points.
>>100356882
Perhaps by asking around? You know, the little thing called information that you want to have on your allies and enemies? "Hey, you officer under my command, go find out what my new officers have accomplished, so I know how to deploy them."
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How do they rank the Ten Bows of China? Do they arrange archery contests or something?
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>>100357202
You are implying Tou doesn't know about Ouhon and Mouten, both who are sons of the two most famous Qin generals.

And comparing it to Hakurei and Kouyoku, who's only relation to a big shot is Hakurei being a brother in law to Rin Bu Kun.

This is the same army that Hakure and Kouyoku have zero information regarding Karin, most likely because they are never deployed to the same area in the vast regions of Chu.

And you think Karin is suppose to know of these two little faggots?

Asking around? You trust word of mouth from an army of LOSERS? The shonenshit is strong in you.
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>>100357275
I bet we'll never find out.
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>>100357407
>You trust word of mouth from an army of LOSERS
They're a bunch of losers because their general was killed in battle?
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>>100356624
>Zhou Yous glorious energy strategy will never replace the Art of War
>he will die just after the current arc
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>>100357479
Yes actually. They are losers because they allowed their general to be killed. The same losers who were brought up by the general who was killed.
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>>100357573
Tou allowed Ouki to be killed.
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>>100357504
So bets on who takes part in his death? Zhuge Liang or everybody's favorite busybody Sima Yi?

Hard Mode: No choosing both.
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>>100357625
Not just Tou but Moubu and Shin as well. Losers, all of them.
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>>100357625
He did, which is why he is a loser compared to Riboku and Houken.
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>>100357722
But Houken lost to Ouki twice in a row.
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>>100357687
They are, compared to Riboku and Houken.

Guess who's gonna make the big play and win the war for Qin? Hint, it's none of these losers, because they were never a match for Riboku.
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>>100357661
Man I love Ravages but there's way too many faces, I feel like I should make an excel sheet or something to keep track.
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>>100357787
So Riboku is a loser as well?
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>>100357767
Houken is indeed a loser compared to Ouki. Unfortunately Ouki is a loser compared to Riboku.

Tou is under all of them, and those three's relationship has nothing to do with Tou.
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>>100357816
At the end of this arc? Damn right he is. What else do you call it when you unite 5 states and still fail?
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What an Idiot.
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>>100357874
So looking at the Warring States and the unification of China and all that, who ISN'T a loser? Please spoiler, since we're talking several decades ahead.
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Remember my words, Duke will somehow use Shin to get close the general and will filp the fucking table without anyone seeing it
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>>100357803
For some reason I can't claim to have this problem with the main characters. Maybe I won't remember certain people's names, but the way I differentiate them is usually the hairstyle and clothing. Oh and can't forget EYE BROWS. Fuck those eyebrows are more fancy than sunglasses.

Chan Mou may same face like no other, but it's mostly just the pretty boys or nameless fodder. Most of the middle aged people have a lot of variety, especially if they aren't attractive.
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>>100357942
But that's exactly what happened when Kanki and Choutou bagged the Han commander.
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Speaking of Shin, looks like he finally feels he has enough to wield Ouki's glaive. Can't wait to see what glorious fight he will get into.
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>>100358113
Isn't that one of the Duke's generals on the back left?
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>>100358113
Is that real? Isn't Kyoukai far from Qin? Or is it like after the war? and holy fuck the size of those horses behind the infantry. And does Shin have Shredder's pauldrons now?
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>>100357661
There is absolutely no way that he will die in the shitty way that was described in RoTK. It will probably again be the case where people try to tarnish his reputation after his death.

But I cant imagine a good way for him to die. I hope it has nothing to do with SY or ZL. Maybe the 8th genius will be involved or that guy, that later becomes Wus top strategist.

Sadly, we will have to wait quite some time, because Red Cliff will be huge arc and its only in the beginning. It will probably last till far into next year.

Have you read the newest Raws? The feelings just wont stop.
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>>100358207

It's from a timeskip in future chapters around 370 ish.
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>>100357908

That depends on what role they have. Huge Spoilers.


Generals Historically Undefeated & Haven't Lost YET in Kingdom:

Hakuki (Bahahahahah suck it)
Ousen (90% chance he's fucked later)
Yotanwa (Tied with Riboku in stats for a reason)
Kyou Kai (Technically her and the two above stalemate with Riboku but SUCK IT DIPLOMACY WINS)

Generals Undefeated Historically But Lose In Kingdom:

Riboku (What the fuck is this shit? This is Houken's fault not mine!)
Tou (Who is this nigger Ouki? I never worked under such a bitch!)

Politics:

Saitaku (DIPLOMACY WINS AGAIN)
Ei Sei (If you don't count me drinking Mercury like a chump)

ULTIMATE WINNER:

Liu Bang (Thanks for the hard work Qin, now let me cast you as complete faggots and win the support of all of China!)
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>>100358113
That's not Ouki's glaive. It's a training one or some shit according to another rawfag from the previous threads.

I mean just look at it, then compare it to Ouki's glaive in previous chapters. Or just chapter 1. Nothing alike at all.
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>>100358317
>Ei Sei
Because his unification of China went so goddamn well, didn't it?
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>>100358257
I don't know Chinese, I rely purely on merc and Yudy. It hurt so much when Ki Shodar retired.

Yudy is a great guy, but I really wished we got that old HMK quality back. And fuck baidu for giving us such shit raws nowadays.

I wonder if Turnip Farmers would consider helping merc out after they catch up on Kingdom? Oh my god, I cannot imagine.

I'd comment on the spoiler text, but that might actually spoil something for me once you reply so I'm gonna stay away. Ravages is too good to risk getting ruined by anything.
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>>100358317
I so hope after Kingdom is over, that we will get at least a small series by the same author about Liu Bangs rise to power and the whole Chu-Han-Contention.
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That scene is just one of those amazing mass scenes Kingdom excels at. I don't think anyone could reliably outsmart Ousen at all.

I also have to say that Total War games became a bit more enjoyable after reading through this, with the way everything is over-dramatized, this works well with the traits system. Now even something like a General's Bodyguard smashing into my hastati becomes a bit more enjoyable if the opposing general is some blood-thirsty lunatic. Shame I don't have any drawing skills yet, I could've made an amazing AAR in the vein of Kingdom.
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>>100358436
Depends on how you look at it.

>United all of China
>Built a national road
>Installed Legalism (the basis of Han Dynasty)
>Rid the 99 opposing school of thoughts (Allowing Legalism to flourish aka allowing Han Dynasty to prosper)
>Wall of China


I think he did rather well for how long he lived. Would you like to compare it to Canute or Alexander and what happened after their deaths? These two were much more 'beloved' by their people after all.
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>>100358731
For all the shit people give Hara over how Kingdom is drawn with the ugly horses and out of proportioned bodies, the man makes it fucking work, especially when he does two page spreads.

I like to see it in the same vein as One Piece. The art is silly and totally unrealistic, but it allows me to treat the over exaggerated expressions of the characters with more acceptance than I would if everyone started making MUH ANGRY FACES or MUH CONSTIPATION FACES in drawing style like say, Vagabond.
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>>100357974
You're right, I can remember most of the big boyz, but I have some trouble with remembering whom each advisor is helping. Who the fuck is Guo Jia? The dead blond one?
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>>100358564
I meant chapter 406, I just checked, its not out yet, but will probably be scanlated in the next week(s).

I hope you have your handkerchief ready then, because you will cry like a bitch.
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>>100359024

To be fair I remember them all by their hair/clothes/etc far easier than I remember them by name.

But Guo Jia is the 4th genius who died by coughing to death. He's the dead black haired one who's all crow themed.
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>>100359092
But I just got done crying from Sima Yi getting LYH's 'goodbye'. Fuck this shit, Chan Mou is too clever with his word play even when translated.
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>>100359023
Yeah, he has much more creative freedom to do his own thing than Ravages which is based on actual literature with a pretty tight canon. It's more Vinland than Vagabond (ripip Thorkell ;_;)
>>100359024
IIRC the sickly dude, also ded
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>>100359093
>>100359184

Yeah that's him, I thought he was blond (light-haired since no colours).
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>>100358757
I hardly see Alexander as a great uniter of anything. His brief life saw him win a lot, sure, but what he actually accomplished fell apart after his death, and what "good" came from it isn't anything I'd attribute to him. Same with Ei Sei, he may have popularized Legalism, but I wouldn't call him successful just because others managed to fulfill his goals, even if it did build partly on his success.
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>>100359024
How the hell can you forget who based Guo Jia was?
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>>100358757
Looks like a winner to me, even with what eventually comes over him. Unless he planned it out intentionally.

But that sounds more Ravages than Kingdom. Seeing Yuan Shao's plan succeed 400 years earlier would be amazing though.
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>>100359253
Man with the snail pace of Historie I wouldn;t mind a Kingdom-esque version of Alexander's campaigns and a Ravages-style telling of the rise of Rome as an empire, from Caesar to Augustus
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>>100359404
I don't favour those odds.
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>>100359253
The difference is what Alexander and Canute accomplished does not stay intact for prosperity.

What Ei Sei accomplishes stays with the people regardless of who takes the throne. That is the ultimate form of achievement. What difference does it make to the people if a Qin emperor rules them over a Liu?

He didn't just popularize it, he installed it completely and got rid of all it's opponents. This FORCED everyone to use it.

There would be no difference in Liu Bang using Legalism or Xiang Yu using it if he won instead. Both would have done so, because it would take far too much work otherwise.

The credit that Liu Bang is due with Legalism is not making use of it, but rather that he COVERED IT UP with the teachings of Confucius and layed blame on Qin. He was a swindler, and a damn good one.

And do you really think having a national road and the wall of china is nothing? That's like Silk Road tier.
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>>100359404
Honestly Iwaaki should just retire and become a writer. He's obviously too old and his art work while decent, isn't all that unless you're Hox and give a shit about things no one else does.

And his art work for movement is terribly static.
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>>100359404
Ravages is like LOGH 5.0, I don't see how anyone can copy his style in Japan. Just look at the amount of detail exposition regarding the various factors of warfare to any other series.

It's not even fair.
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>>100359817
Yeah it's extremely subtle but I was also talking in the general sense of more drama and politics based plot with some battle elements in the background, rather than in the foreground as it is with Kingdom
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>>100359404
>I wouldn;t mind a Kingdom-esque version of Alexander's campaigns and a Ravages-style telling of the rise of Rome as an empire, from Caesar to Augustus

One of the great things about Kingdom and RoT is, that they are about epic but rather unknown (for a western audience) events. These two were what brought me into chinese history to begin with.

I couldnt care less about yet another medium telling alexanders life or fucking ceasar. There was so much more to hellenistic greece or rome, it really shouldnt be the same old tired stuff again and again.
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>>100360029
Agreed, they should cover the Peloponnesian War.
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>>100360029
I don't know, in Asia everyone but Japan openly loves Ravages, and they probably know 9000 more ROTK adaptations than we do.

And I know those shitty TVB ones. Good GOD. Those were the days when internet nearly non-existent to most of us, and we had to rely on VHS rental. Well at least the horrible subs were hilarious.
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>Kingdom
>INT matters

Look at all those strategist type getting pissed left and right, from Gokei, Genbou, Fuuki, Chousou. And then we have Duke, Moubu and Houken
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>>100360402
>what is Riboku
>what is Ousen
Sure, strength allows you to plow through everything but even one man can't face an entire army (not even Houken) if he has no men left after all sorts of ruses from an INT type
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>>100360029

What about Scipio then?
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>>100360029
I really wanna see Gunka develop, it seems like the most balanced historical manga right now. Baltzer is clever, but not 8 genius level smart and gets caught in the middle of a giant shit fest. He's like your typical RPG hero. Still, it feels like Valkyria done right.

Bride's story is great, but I don't really care about it's historical value at all because it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside and I don't give two fucks about how bad ass Amiru's brother is. Oh and the fucking patterns.

Altair is like Maoyuu as far as I'm concerned, except I stopped reading Maoyuu at like chapter 19 or something maybe earlier. It's too shonenshit in action for me to really care about the battles, but once in awhile it sparkles, specially that last arc with the venedik glass.

Nobunaga no Chef is entertaining, and I have nothing to complain about given how frequent they pump out lately...for now.
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>>100360402
That's because those strategists are too far removed from matters of strength of arm during clashes. They don't count the way unexpected small things can happen on the front lines. Duke Hyou's entire thing is to take advantage of those small overlooked things. Riboku, Ouki, Renpa, all those Great General types, they took both the planning and the fighting into account.
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>>100360402

>Gokei: Let his emotions cloud his judgement aka INT and he was up against Duke Hyou + Ouki helping. Duke Hyou is acknowledged as troublesome even by Riboku.
>Genbou: 1 measly point higher than Kanki, and completely underestimated him. Inferior in all other respects.
>Fuuki: Full 5 points dumber than Ouki, go back to school

Int matters the most in Kingdom ironically. And history proves it.
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>>100360570
Gunka also has pic related.
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>>100360541
>Ousen
>whole strategy basically involves running away and build a makeshift fortress and pretend everything is just as keikaku

He's real shit despite all the hype
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>>100360541
>even one man can't face an entire army

Oh hi, most op general coming through.
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>>100361091
Historically he ends up crushing 3 kingdoms by himself, sometimes tag-teaming with Moubu, something I wouldn't wish for anyone
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>>100361091
You only need one trick if you can perfect it.
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>>100361091
No, a fortress isn't something you can ignore, nor is a rested intact fighting force that you aren't keeping track of. Ousen approaches small-scale warfare like it's big-time warfare, like how Qin couldn't attack Wei because Zhao would interfere. That's how Ousen approached the battle against Renpa, he sat on stand-by forcing Renpa to take the fresh army at his flank into consideration, making him unable to make big moves.
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>>100361208
To be fair I'm really curious and looking forward to when

Riboku manages to hold off Ousen, Yotanwa, and Kyou Kai combined after Zhao gets hit by an earthquake. Gonna assume Shin's with Kyou Kai if not replacing her as general too.
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>>100361267
He's just being angry the guy isn't all fancy and shit. Can't help it, Ousen was historically a patient faggot.

Which makes me wonder how the fuck he's ever gonna try to steal Qin from Ei Sei. Is he simply just not gonna try it and die of old age being all 'patient'?
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>>100361170
But everyone knows when a chinese man has a baby and wants no trouble you can't fuck with him. Have you learned NOTHING from Jackie Chan?
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>>100361390
Are those rumours even true? And if it does happen, I imagine he tries to ally with Sei's shitty brother, only it's discovered and Ousen calls it off, leaving the brother to take the full blame.
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>>100361267
And let his HQ and KFC general on danger, that's a real dumb move, if KFC general was slayed first before Kanki pull his move, it would be whole different story
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>>100361170
That's not Lu Bu or Sun Ce, both single handedly pissed on Wei best generals
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>>100361170
The rake thing was cool as fuck but Zhao Yun is even more special than Houken

The guys who died early, Lu Bu's charger man and Cao Cao's messenger were cool as fuck too
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>>100361500
Winning is winning. He would end up killing Renpa and get far more credit than the scrutiny of letting Mougou die.

>>100361565
Please nigguh, Lu Bu got messed up fighting half of the Wei generals at once. Zhao Yun fought all of them minus one eyed Dun that fight AND Zhang Liao.

Sun Ce didn't single hand SHIT, he had a massive army as back up and only took on moping ZL, Xu Huang, and fat lips. You think LYH would go down like a bitch to Guan Yu with only a dinky sword?
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>>100361581
Of course Zhao Yun is more special than Houken. Even A-tier niggers like Taishi Ci can rape Houken.

>20 crossbowmen fire at Houken
>Houken needs to rely on using corpses to block them
>5 ships full of archers shoot at Taishi Ci charging at them
>TSC swats the arrows away like flies.

S-tier generals would stomp Houken so hard it's not even funny.

Gao Shun the inventor of the Horse Chair is A-tier as well, he would fuck Houken up no problem.

I have no idea who you mean by Cao Cao's messenger. Please don't tell me you're referring to the PRIME MINISTER CAO BESTOWED ME THIS LVL 99 SWORD.
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>>100361496
That is unlikely because Seikyou's revolt happens and fails a lot earlier than Ousen gaining 600k people under his command.
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>>100361788
Zhang Fei has single handed stood alone and stopped Wei twice or some shit now. Zhao may be better later, but Peach Garden Artist practically screams IT'S A TRAP whenever he shows up.

Only matched by Jia Xu's I AM THE THIRD GENIUS AND YOU ARE FUCKED IN X DAYS GET YOUR ASS READY.
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>>100361581
Man Yorick is nowhere near as cool a grave digger as Zhao Yun and Zhang Liao. What is this bullshit?
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>>100361788
Lu Bu didn't lost to any of them despite being battered unlike LYH that get his ass handed by Zhang Liao and lost his butter knife

Sun Ce is the only one in the series that has beat Zhang Liao 1v1 and that's more whole than beating bunch of mohawk general
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Are you arguing powerlevels between different works of fiction?
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>>100362306
Lu Bu allowed himself to get battered in the first place. LYH managed to keep a baby alive amidst an entire army trying to kill him. Lu Bu can't claim the same with his daughter.

Zhang Liao lost to LYH during the transfer of Xuzhou off page. He got raped by the throwing knives.

Sun Ce only beat a morally depressed Zhang Liao, big deal.

Guan Yu knocked Zhang Liao flying in one punch.

For ZL to be #1, you basically have to fight him melee in a enclosed space and no one's retarded enough to do that.

>>100362328
Not really, just comparing feats.
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>>100362328
They take place in the same universe, albeit 400 years apart. And there isn't any differences in either series like magic or some shit.
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>>100363111
>Not really, just comparing feats.
Isn't that what arguing powerlevels is?
>>100363434
>there isn't any differences in either series
Except for author.
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Best time of the day!
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>>100364055
Having fun?
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>>100363784
Author doesn't mean much, given how both their styles regarding combat are quite similar.

If anything, Hara's over the top style is far more prone to being over exaggerated. Yet it's Ravages that has the superior fighters despite being more realistic.
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Wait, dynasty warrior is actually accurate?
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>>100365715
No, it's just based on the same lies/stories.
Anyway, does anyone else feel bad for Ouhon? He's clearly never gonna match up to his father.
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>>100365783
Not really, not every son is going to match up to their father and this is simply truth. In fact it would be fucked up if that was the case.
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>>100365952
Not everyone tries so hard, though. Poor guy's been fighting to the death since his teens in order to measure up.
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>>100366019
I don't think he's stupid enough to believe he can actually overtake his father. He's probably just doing his best so he doesn't shame him and look like a failure.

Ouhon has plenty of merit as a commander, and maybe some day even as general. That should suffice when you understand that your old man already wiped out half of China before you even got a chance to lead armies.

Like really, how's he gonna do it even if he has the ability?
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>>100366041
I'd call us a dying breed, but I don't think we were ever numerous to begin with.
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>>100362132
Zhang Fei is a god.
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>>100369553
In this version anyways.
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Bump. This thread shouldnt die just yet.
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>>100370942
But what else is there to say? Ordo's too stupid for us to bicker over possibilities of a counter.
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>>100360570
>Bride's story is great, but I don't really care about it's historical value at all because it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside and I don't give two fucks about how bad ass Amiru's brother is. Oh and the fucking patterns.
Is it wrong that I read Otoyomegatari for the traditional Cental Asian fashion and food?
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>>100372800
We could make it like the OPM thread and discuss whether the coalition forces will "go down" or "sink".
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>>100372815
No, I simply forgot about that. Please don't mind me. Ugh, I need to re-read it all again, it's been too long.
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>>100372870
I'd rather we start talking about power levels by comparing Kingdom generals to LOGH admirals.

But that's really unfair because LOGH is outdated and everyone in Kingdom knows the power of circles.
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>>100373108
If only Kircheis took geometry classes.
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>>100373254
I don't know, I still think he would have died. The ring laser was a straight line.

He should have trained like Houken.

in space
against space tigers
without wearing a suit

The empire would finally be able to deal with that pesky Poplan.
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>>100373417
He still would have lost in a hand-to-hand duel against Bittenfeld.
You have no idea how long I had to refresh the captcha until I got "bitten bitten"
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>>100373625
Wow Bittenfeld is a perfect counter to Sekai.
You knew there was a bitten bitten captcha?
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>>100373767
There had to be. Otherwise bitten wouldn't go in every field.
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>>100373816
Now I feel as dumb as Ordo.
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Oh look a kingdom thread. too bad the discussion is almost done. dammit why do i always find this threads when they are almost over.

>>100353417

>>100353508

all i have to add is to defend Ten.

is not that she just has a 88 on strategy/intelligence stat, is that she already has a 88 on inteligence stat.

She is still new, she hasn't even commanded whole armies and she already is better in strategy than the best commander of a whole kingdom.

My point is she is still developing. Shin when he started had an 80 in combat ability if im not mistaken.
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>>100374764
She's also physically developing.

Probably going to be more plump in the ass and tits compared to Kyoukai in the future because the latter fights on a daily basis.

She'll be good for eye candy, but will probably die of exhaustion from sex while Kyoukai could continue for days on end.


Oh wait, what were we talking about again?



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