So why do women prefer mecha and sports anime while men prefer romantic comedies, idol anime and cute girls doing cute things?
Because of the characters.
The formers has characters with attractive qualities for women, the latter for men.
because mecha and sports has a ton of sexy men you dunce
Because anime fans don't look for regular entertainment, they look for sexual gratification to fill their sad, lonely, empty lives.
Shouldn't this be really obvious?
What if I enjoy both equally
The mecha and sports is just a means to get sexy men to do sexy things together. End of the day, everyone just wants to fap and if you're looking for a higher form of entertainment, anime is not for you.
well then you're probably bisexual
Why does japan incorporate women into these kinds of markets so much better than the west?
>So why do women prefer mecha and sports anime
Only fujoshi do, "normal" girls prefer shoujo romance and shounen ala one piece.
I don't know what kind of girls like cute girls doing cute things, but you have them as well.
>men prefer romantic comedies
In the form of harem, yes.
Because Japan isn't deathly afraid of "the secks!!".
Toranoana can have 3 fucking floors of BL as a result of this, and the females can get the shit they want easily.
What do you mean by "these kinds of markets"? American animation is aimed almost entirely at kids and American comics are practically dead.
But fujoshis are "normal" girls, anon.
>I don't know what kind of girls like cute girls doing cute things, but you have them as well.
k-pn is pretty popular with women
No, in America, I'm italian and we have a good number of women in the comic industry.
market != industry
Well shit like Supernatural and Sherlock has tons of fujoservice too.
>k-pn is pretty popular with women
I meant things like the Mitsudomoe author being a woman, or the author of Haganai being a girl.
>men prefer romantic comedies, idol anime and cute girls doing cute things?
>women prefer mecha and sports anime
A better question would be why is there so much more obvious pandering in anime than most things made by "the west".
is this nigga serious
What's wrong with that?
And the women in the industry where do you think they come from?
>And the women in the industry where do you think they come from?
I was trying to point out you misinterpreted OP.
why do we have to try and justify your theorem when you give no citations?
you mean fucking normal fags with flamboyish sexual arousal?
nah, i'll stick to the manmode series.
Are you implying that normalfags like cute girls doing cute things?
nowadays everybody likes kawaii uguu girls doing uguu things.
manchildren beta virgin losers? sure
If by women you mean fujoshi, and by men you mean otaku, then it's because of doujin.
Go back to school kiddo
Because girls want to be big strong athletic alpha males, and men want to be cute, loved idols.
>Because girls want to be big strong athletic alpha males
So basically boys are narutard and girls are one piece fans.
As expected of boys and their shit taste.
How do they know which genders are buying these?
>Gintama that high
What the fuck
inb4 btw im a grill
Why do guys have such shit taste?
Like everyone else here.
It just may be because at that high number of volume (45!) the little boys reading Gintama have run out of allowance and gave up on collecting the series, so that leaves the adult women who have husbandos in the series. Who actually buys the books isn't an exact number of the readership status since anyone can go to the market and get a Jump magazine or sit and read it there.
I have never been so disappointed in my gender.
Neckbeards prefer romantic comedies.
I didn't watch it nor read it, but looking on wikipedia it looks like something boys would like a lot more than girls.
But I enjoy them all.
If I wanted to enjoy sports, I'd play it.
why did you drop out
Showing your shit taste.
Sports is the best genre.
Sports are good only when they are an excuse to see cute girls.
Sports are basically cute boys doing cute things.
They're only as gay as you want them to be, faggot.
Why is yuro /a/ so terrible?
Do girls find this character type attractive?
Because mecha and sports usually involves handsome male characters and homoerotic components.
>woman likes action series
>must be a fujoshi
This is fucking stupid and you know it
Quality anime includes both cute girls and cute boys.
I always hated Sports, I was one of the bigger kids so they always tried to push me to play Rugby or Cricket.
I got never get into Mecha, yet I love a lot of Cyberpunk stuff.
Cute girls relax me, they're like a drug but I do so in private. Females have any easier time letting out their emotions so they don't really need some kind of hidden stress relief.
I don't doubt some girls might like them, but it's like asking "do boys find this character type attractive" while showing a bunch of shoujo mc.
>tfw no qt 3.14 fujoshi gf to watch anime and build Gundams with just fucking kill me /a/
Butthurt Westerner detected.
But that's wrong, if K-ON would be interesting and actually about music it would be more like sports.
>inb4 I'm an alien wondering what the fuck is up with these boys and girls with their shit taste
Not flashy/gay enough.
Girls can like action series, only fujoshi like mecha.
Well I meant mecha, anyway
What reasoning can you have for this?
No, otherwise you wouldn't see them complain about bland harem MCs all the time.
But everyone hates bland harem MC's.
It's morning in central Europe. Self-respecting NEETs are already asleep or are going to bed now. It's more likely that you're dealing with shitposting Australians.
I thought the ones who complained where guys who wanted more girls and less boys.
Japanese fujoshi are normal girls.
I know, I was surprised too.
Only normalfags and women do.
Because nobody wants to buy commercial time in late night anime.
Yurifags aren't going to complain about the MCs being bland or beta, they dislike male characters in general.
so how easy is it to get a gf if you are half-black in Japan
Japanese fujoshi tend to be normal and clique-like.
It's the western fujoshi that are so disgusting.
Me on the right with the dark hair.
I will better start being a normalfag then, can't have that shit taste.
Because Japan knows what their audience likes and they're not afraid to give them what it wants.
What a coincidence, there's me on the left
Good. You can do that >>>/out/side of /a/.
>"do boys find this character type attractive" while showing a bunch of shoujo mc.
Find me a shoujo MC that boys wouldn't find cute.
Makes sense that women become fujoshi when the men are too pussy to fuck them.
Shoujo MCs aren't exactly cute.
No one gives a shit about your opinion.
No one cares about anything.
Normalfags don't belong in here.
I also said that some girls might find those boys attractive, my point was that it's a bit silly to ask that question when girls aren't the target those characters are drawn for.
Plain cute is best cute.
Obviously I can't keep you from browsing the board, but if you hold a normalfag point of view you're only going to stick out.
People actually wear scarves?
You mean because the men realised that 3D is pig disgusting and not worth the effort, right?
In places where it actually gets cold. yes.
But I like every genre, I wasn't really keen on sports but DnA just changed it all.
Nah man, if you are not underage anymore you will understand that there isn't only black and white. There're many people here with different opinions, only because I dislike generic harem MC's and you love them doesn't make any opinion superior. No one here cares about you so don't try so hard to fit in.
Shoujo MCs aren't exactly plain either.
What about supposed GAR characters like shirou or touma that f/a/ggots jerk themselves over. Do girls find them attractive?
>Sports are good only when they are an excuse to see cute girls.
You got a point, dude
>implying I'm not older than you
And yes, things are pretty much black and white.
>men prefer romantic comedies, idol anime and cute girls doing cute things?
You mean neckbeards?
They aren't ugly either.
They are average looking girls with a hint of personality and that's it.
Yeah, women love guys like Kamina and Lelouch.
I know the answer is obvious, I was just saying he's asking the wrong question.
My mistake then. I thought you were referring to the male love interests, rather than the female MCs. Now it all makes sense of course, and you're right - the girls usually are a bit bland, or rather - their environment hasn't discovered their cuteness yet.
I think this has something to do with the female audience defining themselves stronger through their looks, so the element of being bland, being recognised by the most handsome guy in school and suddenly everyone realising how pretty you truly are is probably a wish-fulfilment fantasy that is being pandered to here.
To the male audience, looks aren't that important, so the male MCs while not necessarily ugly, usually aren't above average.
I don't know about Shirou, but they do find Kamina and Archer attractive.
I think you've got it the other way around.
>the male MCs while not necessarily ugly, usually aren't above average.
Neither is the girl in shoujo.
Think about Kimi ni Todoke, is Sawako particularly cute?
The girl from Ouran host club literally looks like a boy.
The guy from To Love Ru is cute.
>The girl from Ouran host club literally looks like a boy.
Nigga Haruhi was cute as fuck
>Think about Kimi ni Todoke, is Sawako particularly cute?
>The girl from Ouran host club literally looks like a boy.
Take another look at what I wrote - I referred specifically to this element.
>the girls usually are a bit bland, or rather - their environment hasn't discovered their cuteness yet.
Both Sawako and Haruhi aren't recognised as cute initially, but throughout the show people start to realise how pretty they really are.
>I think this has something to do with the female audience defining themselves stronger through their looks, so the element of being bland, being recognised by the most handsome guy in school and suddenly everyone realising how pretty you truly are is probably a wish-fulfilment fantasy that is being pandered to here.
It's ok Tamaki, nothing bad with liking girls who look like boys and dress like boys.
I watched code geass cause lelouch made my dick do funny things
but I'm straight
This is normal right?
He's cute but in a girly fashion. He doesn't exhibit manly traits which most girls would find attractive.
You might have gotten the aids. You should get yourself checked.
It really depends on who you ask, but generally? No. They don't have personalities, there's no point in even remembering their names because they're all the same fucking boring person.
Again, it depends on who you ask. Shirou is attractive in some ways, Touma is a complete and utter troglodyte.
You should've been here for Geass Sundays.
Everyone and their dogs were on his dick 24/7. We unquestioningly loved every character on his side, and hates everyone against him.
Of course, it's normal to fap to him too.
I might add:
We have pretty much the same phenomenon in male oriented romance. The guys are often very unmanly but through the plot they're given moments to shine and exhibit manly traits, such as courage for example.
Yuki Rito is such an example. He's rather girlish, he's not particularly tall or strong, but he blindly gets himself endangered in attempts to save the girls when they are in trouble. Usually, he fails, gets injured, etc. but through his determination he manages to trigger the flags and despite his lack of manliness be perceived by the girls as manly.
This is a common element in male oriented romance. Just like the bland shoujo MCs who are recognised by the most handsome guy in school as pretty, the unmanly bland harem MCs are recognised by the most pretty girl in school as manly.
Same concept, but different ideals, pandering to different audiences.
This is historical revisionism. The show also met some resistance. It wasn't loved by everyone. I know for certain because I didn't like the show and had debates about it on pretty much a daily basis.
Not everyone loved Geass, but everyone who did also loved Lelouch at least it seemed so at the time.
I think people are putting a little too much stock into the whole manliness = attractiveness idea.
For example, Makoto is a wonderful boy, but it doesn't have much to do with him having manly moments or exhibiting traits that are distinctly masculine, it's the fact that he genuinely seems like a sweet, respectful person. A guy could do all of the traditional manly things in all the right ways, but it wouldn't mean anything if he lacked humility, respect, and gentleness.
He does sports. That's manly enough.
But him doing sports isn't what's attractive, it's the way he conducts himself with others. He's caring and kind and thoughtful, sports don't even factor in.
His character design differs from the average harem MC already though.
If you look at him, you instantly see that his facial features are more pronounced and that his bodily proportions are different. He has wide shoulders, and he looks quite tall. The head to body ratio further enhances this. Personality wise things may be different but his physique already makes it pretty clear that he's manly enough.
Compare him to to characters in >>100344367 who are mostly a lot more boyish, or almost girlish when it comes to their looks.
>sports don't even factor in.
Yes, it does along with the thing you listed.
Lelouch is pretty hot but Kamina, Archer and Shirou? Eww gross.
What if... an anime decided to have girls that boys can love, and boys that girls can love?
Oh right. We do have series like that. Some are universally beloved. I watched CCS with my female cousin. But somewhere along the line they decided boys and girls were different, and it's led to her asking me how anyone could enjoy Date a live, and me asking her how anyone could watch Free. Both of us know how mediocre they are, but our standards have lowered.
A lot of harem for girls do have short cute guys, just think about Utapri, characters who aren't really manly looking.
It works for shows that aren't about romance, but when it comes to romance, you can only pander to one gender.
>What if... an anime decided to have girls that boys can love, and boys that girls can love?
But why do you say that? If him being an athlete were the main thing, I would've just listed the Frees in general.
Again, his physical features aren't the main thing. The reason why harem MCs aren't really sought after by actual girls has nothing to do with their looks, it's the fact that they're only around to be projected upon. What's the point of that?
If you want an example of a plain guy who's insanely attractive (to me, anyway), I'd name Shu. He had his fair share of flaws, but at the end of the day he was a caring person at heart who did what he could to listen to the people around him and correct his ways as best he can. That's better than someone like Gai, who was a lot more traditionally masculine but behaved like a tool 90% of the time.
Except everything in CCS is about love. I'm not even kidding. There's every form of love in the show, and the catastrophe mentioned in the plot is the loss of love.
Interesting but not "hot", really.
Fun but not necessarily hot either.
Insanely fucking hot looks-wise but his personality destroys the appeal
If I had to marry one out of the bunch it'd be him.
The question is how popular they are as male love interest though, or whether they're more popular for yaoi shipping. I'd suspect other archetypes are more popular.
Still, don't misunderstand the argument given in >>100345567: the whole "unmanly guy gets recognised as manly" is not for a female audience - it's for the male audience. It's sort of a wish-fulfilment fantasy.
The equivalent is the bland shoujo feMC who everyone thinks looks kinda bland, or even ugly/scary but then gets recognised by the male love interest as pretty.
It's time to stop this pointless debate. Attractiveness is subjective. Yeah, even in your Chinese cartoons.
But we're all little girls here!
>The reason why harem MCs aren't really sought after by actual girls has nothing to do with their looks, it's the fact that they're only around to be projected upon.
I think you misunderstood my argument. Refer to >>100346397.
I'm not saying that these scenes where the unmanly guy gets a chance to be perceived as manly serves the purpose of making them more attractive to female viewers. It's wish fulfilment for a male audience. The unmanly guy gets perceived as manly by the female love interest due to his resolve (this is important - because not even actual ability is required here). That is a male fantasy. It exclusively serves the purpose of pandering to a male audience.
>What's the point of that?
Well, that should be kind of obvious. And the same applies to many shoujo MCs though.
Does it really seem that way?
>plain looking girl gets recognised as manly
>unmanly guy with average looks is discovered to be cute
Ah, I see what you're saying now and I agree. Manliness being the basis of attraction is generally something for men, yeah.
You know realize that Kawaii is both the word for cute and attractive/hot.
I don't think cuteness matters to the male audience as much, which is why we usually don't have that happening in male oriented media. That's a female fantasy. The bland shoujo MC who takes little care of herself, or perhaps has no fashion sense or whatever, gets recognised as cute by the most handsome guy in school - that is a very common element in shoujo manga. In male oriented media, this doesn't happen so often. Looks are rarely being referred to. On the other hand, a weak male MC making an (often futile) attempt to fight the delinquent who attacked the female love interest and be seen as manly for it? That is a lot more common.
It was way too obvious. I can spot the Archer/Shirou fanboy from a mile away.
But I don't like Archer at all. I recognize that he's hot as fuck, but his personality is downright terrible and the way he's lauded in-series and within the fandom is eyeroll-worthy on a good day.
Shirou is a good boy in HF. His relationship with Sakura is one of my favorite dynamics. Sometimes his treatment of girls grates on me (because slapping Ilya doesn't fucking fly with me and never will), but he's got a good head on his shoulders for the most part.
>You know realize that Kawaii is both the word for cute and attractive/hot.
1. It's not.
2. "Cute" also means attractive/hot, in fact it has that meaning more than kawaii does.
>The bland shoujo MC who takes little care of herself, or perhaps has no fashion sense or whatever
>or perhaps has no fashion sense or whatever
It's like you haven't read a shoujo title at all.
Why are otome protags always so much prettier than girls in harems for men?
it's not just the otome protags, the men are much better looking in them than they are in a typical harem as well.
Because artsyle is less generic and knowing the fact that it'll probably never get animated they can make the designs more elaborate.
Also they're designed by girls
For the previously given examples in this thread, Sawako or Haruhi (Host Club) it applies.
Also keep in mind that haven't said that it's the definitive wish fulfilment fantasy that is present in all works. I said that it's one that could be seen as equivalent to the given example when it comes to male oriented romance regarding the unmanly MC being seen as manly.
Also the central argument, that looks of the female MC are more important in shoujo manga since the female audience defines itself stronger through looks, whereas looks of a male MC in harem/romance aren't of significance to the male audience, also stands.
Usually they're designed by girls. Girls design really hot girls.
>American comics are practically dead.
This is wrong though
>For the previously given examples in this thread, Sawako or Haruhi (Host Club) it applies.
They're the exception, not the rule
I don't see you denying to be male. Your opinion is thus discarded into the trash can.
Because the character designs are meant to be more rounded reflecting the character rather than being designed for the appeal of men (ie. DAL).
Unfortunately, the male leads all turn into cookie cutter bishounen as a result.
>Also keep in mind that haven't said that it's the definitive wish fulfilment fantasy that is present in all works.
Except girls wish to be pretty. Many times you'll get the love interest complement the MC's looks, unlike harem for males.
Why do you think that is? Where do you think we are?
You were wrong, let's leave it at that.
That might as well be the case, but it's completely besides the point. The argument was about male MCs in harem/romance. What you're referring to was mentioned as a possible equivalent for further exemplification.
As I said:
>looks of the female MC are more important in shoujo manga since the female audience defines itself stronger through looks, whereas looks of a male MC in harem/romance aren't of significance to the male audience
I don't even like sports but I find sports anime to be interesting. It gets me pumped up and fills the void of never having any close friends or teammates.
How is it wrong? There's only walking dead with any type of sales the past 5 years. The whole industry is down to a handful of titles instead of the thousands in japan.
Normal men prefer comics like One Piece too.
If you watch Precure, you're not normal.
Dude Marvel has been running the movie industry instead and comics are no where near dead, the problem with comics is people lack the time to put into them heavy if they didn't do it as a kid, super heroes never die out.
The comic book industry has survived much worse.
You didn't contradict anything I said. You can keep liking your superheroes nobody's going to take them away from you but as a business and as a medium it is basically "dead".
It's not dead as long as it keeps generating the amount of cash it does right now.
No now they are moving into live action, including TV series.
Depending on how that goes they could be rolling in money on multiple titles.
sage for off topic bullshit, if you want to derail threads fuck off to /co/.
>Superhero movies all over Hollywood.
>All of them rake in money.
>The Walking Dead is arguably the most popular show on television right now.
Oh yeah, comics are totally dead.
I don't know but every hot 2D girl fucking adore them.
Movies doing well doesn't translate to comics doing well. They're just a source for Hollywood to mine IP until people get tired of it and they move to the next thing. Which, depending on how the Gundam movie does, may well be Japanese shit.
Marvel doesn't run shit. They're wholly owned by Disney.
So, eventually they'll return to the niche things they once were?
Sounds a lot like anime. We might as well be discussing a 'dead' medium right now. Yeah they'll probably be less successful, but I can't see them going -dead-
How is that like anime? Anime is pretty much the exact opposite. It doesn't make an attempt to cater to a mainstream audience but caters pretty much exclusively to niche audiences.
The collectives and the roles that you are assuming true for everyone are degradation of nature. Men without balls like to escape reality and think that everyone wants to fuck them secretly even if they are called gross. They think that they were smart even though they dropped highschool. They are scared of others like the little pieces of shit who can't move on that they are. Just look at that Hachiman-Tomoko thread from a few days ago. Women, on the other hand, want as much semen as possible now, instead of carefully selecting a partner. As the fucking sheep that you, and most of the world (allow me to generalize now) is, you are programmed since birth to take on those role models, which are the best to sustain a consumer society. It's easy to feed an hedonist pig, because it craves only for the trivial. Because it is too scared to get off the internet and face others, instead of channeling his frustration with sarcasting arguments on the safe internet.
That's the role that you fulfill, because that's the mud that you have always been given to romp
>Women, on the other hand, want as much semen as possible now, instead of carefully selecting a partner.
This is complete nonsense tough.
It's the very opposite: women are picky, men aren't.
It is, he's implying it's bad. It's not THAT bad though, I'm honestly more ashamed of IS S2 selling so much
Well, Free! is cute boys doing cute things
I like Kodaka and Haru
It's not genuine show like that, because it has female characters
Real cute boys doing cute things show wouldn't have the drama as the significant point of the story, also no girls
Pretty much this (maybe I'm worse as I've shouted at my monitor a couple of times during games), I get really attached to the teams and players in sports anime and feel incredibly sad and emotional when players leave the team or graduate.
>Real cute boys doing cute things show wouldn't have the drama as the significant point of the story, also no girls
Because you say so, faggot.
>because it has female characters
Bullshit, fujoshi don't mind female characters on their series, as opposite of male otaku.
It's not a Gundam movie per se. Gundam creator was making a mecha anime with the same guys the did Pacific Rim special effects or something.
Oh shit nice.
I didn't mention a thing about fujoshi, but a genuine cute girls doing cute things has no boys and that so real show like that with boys can't include girls.
Shit taste detected. Archer and Kotomine are best male TM character.
>We unquestioningly loved every character on his side, and hates everyone against him.
I felt that was kind of excessive and still is, as much as I do like Lelouch more than other Code Geass cast members.
I agree and I wasn't really talking about myself. Pretty sure there were at least a few other Suzakufags who were suffering until episode 21.
Fujoshi, unlike male otaku, can't handle 20+ minutes of pretty guys eating cake and blushing, so they have to add drama, something sports lend themselves to.
In practice sports anime and manga (Free!, Kuroko no Basuke, Haikyuu!!, Oofuri, Tsuritama, etc.) serve the same purpose: Watching a bunch of cute guys develop and interact with each other with little to no female interference.
You haven't meet half the men I have then.
More like neither is true, both genders go for whoever interests them at the time and probably for completely random reasons.
The idea the women are picky and men aren't is just a period fashion.
women like mecha?
I really hope the director completely removes the slut from the show.
They're like the primary fanbase these days.
Tiger & Bunny (eh, close enough)
What do all these shows have in common? Implied homolust. (At least, implied enough for fujoshi.)
I wish fujoshits didn't have such awful taste.
I would kill for a drama-free show about cute boys doing cute things and without girls wasting precious screentime.
The slut ruined the nice SoL moments though.
Pick only one.