> "I changed my mind! He's not just an idiot... he's an asshole."
This was worth seeing in theaters.
After all these years, this red girl STILL gives me raging boners. I don't even know why.
"kek" as they say
>bullying a 14 year old and expecting him to comprehend and take responsibility for something beyond his control
What the fuck is wrong with her.
> tfw 3.0 Assuka is almost as old as original series Misato
Tiffany Grant(?) I believe it is. Yeah her voice is engraved into my skull.
WHAT ARE YOU, STUPID?
best gril, now & forever
Does she really say that? Heh, maybe the dubbed version of this is worth checking out after all.
I am her husband. She is my lawfully wedded wife. She will cook me pancakes while wearing nothing but an apron, and then she'll blush when I spank her cute butt.
The dub was pretty fucking great, you could tell all the VAs were like "what the fuck is going on" and just had fun with it
>/a/ hates 3.0
>the dub makes it good
Well ain't that some shit.
Typical shitty tsundere, act like a bitch and get upset at the consequences.
And it wasn't just her, it was everyone. Like it was written for bad things to happen and it really showed.
Only she knows what it is like to be your own waifu:
Does this character cause more butthurt than Kirino? I havent watched the show yet, but it seems this way.
I have watched End of Eva and she was the only character that was even remotely interesting. Admittedly, I should probably watch the show first
>implying there's someone on /a/ doesn't hate 3.0
You pull that shit in any other case and you might have a point. But it's literally unanimous.
>Does this character cause more butthurt than Kirino?
Kiririn is still the champ then.
Also, here's the only pic I have of red girl. She's sexy and moe
> watching End of Eva before series
I didn't hate it
Not any more than I hated 2.0 anyway
She's Kirino before Kirino, and is part of a long going and obnoxious waifu war. But Eva isn't shitty romance harem so not quite.
>watching any eva outside of EoE and the series
That's still hating it bro.
>long going and obnoxious waifu war
nearly 20 years and still no victor in sight.
Asuka a shit.
If there's no Rei, why would I watch it?
I don't take sides in this war brother.
After a lot of research on it I rewatched this series the last 2 days.
I can't believe how much shit went over my head the first time I watched it.
I don't really post on /a/ and I know NGE fans have a reputation as being pretentious as hell but I really think this has ruined all other anime for me. Not necessarily ruined I guess, but it made me realize how nothing I've ever watched has even come close to how good NGE is.
If you're into Freud, Lacan and Sartre, you will cum all over episodes 25-26. They're basically an orgy of references to lacanian psychoanalysis, Sartre's views on The Other, and Freud's theories on the child's psychosexual development.
I could point them out one by one in a watch-along, I'm not pushing it or kidding.
You think that's bad? Try watching Serial Experiments Lain a few times over.
I beg to differ.
>letting this red bitch touch my sweet Rei
Except Anno said straight-up he'd never read Sartre and I'm pretty sure he's never read Lacan.
Having everyone laugh their ass off at the horses was amusing I will admit. They laughed too much though. Rei Q dealing with her utter inexperience with people and not understanding how to be free from living according to orders isn't funny, it's kinda sad actually. Why are you laughing.
But they're so happy together.
Does he still rant about otaku culture?
Where exactly did you do this research? Not all internet resources on Eva are exactly trustworthy. There's a lot there that you have to interpret for yourself.
Also if you're ready to continue down the path of deepfaggery, play Xenogears and watch the various versions of Ghost in the Shell.
Bebop is also comparable to Eva in terms of 10/10 Best TV Anime Ever status.
I liked it.
Well perhaps the concepts are there as he read them somewhere else, maybe in different authors, but there are obviously existentialist concepts in there; Misato at some point just tells Shinji that he is defined by his acts, not by who he may think he "is"; Rei tells him that he only exists through The Other.
>dat scene in EoE when Rei and Shinji float in a sea of LCL, undifferentiated
>yfw LCL is amniotic fluid
>yfw LCL is contained within the mother, the evangelion
>yfw Shinji is warned that spending too much time inside the Evangelion will make him "disappear" because the mother is the first Other, and one isn't differentiated, within their mother
i just hated the CGI and the LOLCATBEASTO
rest was fun
Not really, I think he's more or less reconciled with his inner otaku. Now he's mostly just about trying to encourage fans to grow up and accept change.
>there will never be another game like Xenogears
It's very sad anon. Why are modern RPG stories so shit compared to how they used to be?
>tfw dat scene in EoE when Shinji realizes Human Instrumentality is wrong and is only the feat of men too weak to accept human condition, that is being alone and one
No you didn't.
>yfw LCL is amniotic fluid
shit. I never thought about this.
Oh sure, there's tons of existentialist and Freudian shit in the series, it's just not drawn directly from writers like Sartre and Lacan and more from cultural osmosis and Anno's personal philosophy.
>best girl since forever xD
you kids sicken me
So you like gay pianos and characters being confused for no reason?
Don't they, like, literally say this though? If not they practically smack you in the face with the whole Entry Plug = womb metaphor.
It's not like watching the show will make EoE any more clear.
Ok I was wrong, one guy on /a/ likes 3.0.
Well there are word-for-word quotes of Freud in episodes 25-26. I should watch them again and note down the obvious references as well as the more implicit ones.
Freud, however, is present as fuck.
Just the Evangelion itself is oedipian as fuck. It's a penetrative act which connects a mother and her child together.
how could you not like it?
it was all our fav characters, minus the sex doll(dw she phoned it in) doing some crazy shenanigans in post impact world.
I mean I didn't dive into the philosophical analysis as much as the semi vague plot elements that I missed. Like it filled in all the gaps of the story where initially I was just like "I don't really understand what's going on but I'll just roll with it".
It made that previously mentioned philosophical analysis stuff much easier to determine for myself.
Yes it does. If you seriously watch EoE before you watch the show, you don't know what evangelions are, don't have any concept of what impacts are, don't know any of the characters, don't know why NERV is being invaded, or who NERV is, or what SEELE is.
Are you afraid of getting in the Eva because you're afraid of penetrating your mother Shinji?
For me, Rei gained, as a character, more depth than any other, during the 25th episode.
I mean, there was that scene when Rei 3 was discussing with Rei 1 and 2, asking herself how to differentiate between each one of them, which was incredibly powerful. I also always admired her self-abnegation throughout the series, especially when she self-destructs her eva to save Shinji; she must have known that she was also killing someone dear to her at the same time.
Yes, I did. I want my own Nyangoki.
Shin Megami Tensei games have okay stories.
There's also that upcoming open-world Xeno game that looks sexy as hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APWTJMyM4qg
I do miss the days when we could have games with stories as nuts-out crazy as Xenogears or Chrono Cross though, yeah.
>he's also an asshole
Why? All he did was do cry and whine while everybody else is fighting and then cause an apocalypse. That's it.
You might look like you're joking, but I think this is a serious question. Also, notice how "safe" the children are presented, when they're inside the Evas: you're lead to get used to the Evas getting wrecked with the children suffering little to no [physical] injuries, as if they were hiding in somewhere safe, while it clearly isn't the case.
But I think that Shinji is afraid of getting in the Eva because he's afraid that he might not be a disappointment: if he doesn't fail in the Eva, he might have to get closer to his father, and thus might get rejected again by him.
Why did they create a character so beta? If I could do a single thing with a character of this anime, I'd hesitate for hours between beating Shinji's sorry ass and marrying Rei.
>as if they were hiding in somewhere safe, while it clearly isn't the case.
it's stated pretty often that safest place to be is inside eva. those things will handle an N2 mine.
I never joke about my work.
But Rei II wanted to die in order to validate her existence as an individual, which was part of why she sacrificed herself and makes it especially ironic and cruel that she's almost immediately replaced by Rei III, sans memories and character development.
>watching the piano preview
Rainbow? What is this, the gay pride piano? Does it represent Kaworu and Shinji's love?
>watching the movie
your reaction indicates you're not psychologically equipped to understand EVA
Well the Eva is supposed to be a special kind of "Voyager 2" - a human being that would live forever.
Except in this case. And Rei 2.
Cause that shit was fucking flaming gay and everyone was stupid on purpose.
>my ass is literally a penis right now
Rei II is thanatos
Asuka is eros
Rei is white, blue and black
Asuka is mostly red and orange
Shinji at the end of 2.0:
> "I don't care about myself! I don't even care what happens to the world!"
Shinji at the beginning of 3.0:
> Misato and everyone are being shitty to me! I'm gonna run off with Rei to my shithead dad even though they told me not to!
This is what makes him an asshole.
i really want to watch 3.33 again
Shinji in any movie or episode
>I'm being a faggot and nobody can stop me!!!11one
Misato at end of 2.0:
>"DO IT SHINJI YOU CAN DO IT FUCK YEAH SHINJI"
Misato at start of 3.0;
>"U FUCKING CUNT WHY DID U DO THAT U SHIT"
misato deserves asshole of the millennium award.
Then I cannot help you.
Misato is pretty cool in my book. Did Anno have some issues with a cool girl like her when he did episode 26?
>I was looking for my father in Ryoji's arms
I don't think that's going over so well.
>4.0 credits finally finish rolling off screen
>NEXT TIME ON
>REBUILD OF END OF EVANGELION
What do you and everyone else do?
>implying I would watch 4.0
FUCK YES IT WAS.
Yeah, I'd rather just bitch about how bad 3.0 was on /a/.
are you serious?
my hype levels are so high for 4.0 it's incredible. i have never been this hyped for a film.
is 3.33 was just another semi close adaption of NGE i wouldnt be this hyped.
but i have to see where this train derailment goes AND IM FUCKING PUMPED.
Isn't that poorly translated? Isn't "gaki" more accurately "brat" rather than "asshole"? Which also more properly expresses Asuka's attitude towards Shinji for the rest of the film.
>what is localisation
but it's a poor localization. "Brat" is better.
They should develop Hikari more, she looks interesting.
3.0 reached a new level of fallacy.
no one says brat
asshole is a better translation for pure viewing pleasure.
Calling him a faggot would have been more accurate.
Well yeah. Rei and everything surrounding her is really melancholy, sterile and morbid and she's symbolically associated with the moon, while Asuka is associated with the sun.
Also on a meta level, Rei represents a woman as unattainable submissive fantasy mother-substitute, while Asuka represents the challenges and pain (but also gratification) of a real relationship with a real woman. Rei's character arc climaxes with her realization that she was literally created to realize the desires of a man (Gendo), kept as a doll/slave not even allowed the freedom of death, and her final act of defiance is to betray him and put his plans in the hands of someone she cares for and respects of her own free will (Shinji), whom she then convinces to free himself from those plans and finally let her die. (And that's not even getting into the details of Rei's existential crisis about whether or not she's human, whether or not she has an individual identity separate from Lilith, Yui and her previous selves, etc.)
Or at least, that was the case for the original series. Rebuild doesn't really seem to give a shit anymore.
faggot is too loaded. imagine the backlash from the community, i doubt the VAs would even agree. the western anime community is full of liberal fags, they'd be in uproar.
Are you niggas ready.
But he IS a faggot.
Where did they ever get the idea to put mother/son incest into Eva?
no thats kaworu
Why does everyone bully Shinji
Not really? That aspect of her character is foreshadowed from way early on. Doesn't make her any less best grill.
they're all faggots
shut the fuck up faggot
Sounds to me like it's going exactly according to keikaku
Why the fuck is he wearing a diaper.
>Rebuild doesn't really seem to give a shit anymore.
Why is this? EoE had some pretty interesting introspective scenes here and there. Did they like cut everything that wasn't battle/fanservice?
You know how some guys have a fetish for sniffing girl's panties?
Yeah, Kaworu has the same thing but for Shinji.
Part of it is just that Rebuild has less time to build characters, and it seems Bishonen piano fan service takes precedent over exploring Rei.
A lot of it, yeah. And they marginalized or cut out most aspects of the supporting cast's personalities and backstories that don't directly relate to Shinji's character development, including Rei and Asuka who go full harem in 2.0 and even have a cook-off for his dick.
NGE is so fucking good. I really need to watch it again soon.
Because he's a faaaaaaaaag.
Why would a girl like Asuka have any interest in a fucking faggot like Shinji that masturbates over her while she's asleep?
shes into domination
No need to have sex with him to dominate the faggot.
i dont recall her having sex with him
Eyepatch Asuka was the saving grace of 3.33
I mean, there aren't really direct equivalents to strong profanity and English vulgarisms in Japanese, but it's such a "polite" language that an insult that seems mild to us might have a lot more impact to Japanese audiences.
Kind of like how in EoE they translated Shinji's line "I'm the lowest" as "I'm so fucked up", which in my opinion was a really good move and adds a real emphatic punch to the line and scene for English-speaking viewers that wouldn't be there in a more literal translation.
Besides, Asuka still does call Shinji a "brat" at several other points in the movie.
>stealing clothing from girls who died 15 years ago
>Besides, Asuka still does call Shinji a "brat" at several other points in the movie.
But it's the same word! That's when she started using it!
i think ur misinterpreting it
They're hormonal, horny teenagers who spend inordinate amounts of time around each other. Not to mention that Shinji's the closest person she can relate to regarding EVAs and having shitty parents.
That wasn't real. Or at least not literal.
No there's a scene where they have sex but I'm not sure it's not during Shinji's badtrip
I'm pretty sure that's just mindsex.
you would know
oh, hah okay you got me
I heard Rebuild is supposed to be a sequel to the series. Can someone explain that?
Last I checked, EoE ended with everybody in the world but Asuka and Shinji turned to goo. Shouldn't Shinji remember everything that happened?
In the original series it makes sense because she initially looks down on him but gradually comes to see that he's a kindred soul of sorts, since deep down they actually have a lot in common and share the same pain and burdens. That they both realize this about each other, but are so mutually maladjusted that they can't even properly communicate it to each other or even themselves, is one of the most overtly tragic elements of the series.
In Rebuild, though? You got me. She just decides she likes him after about 10 minutes and is miraculously still tsuntsun for him after 14 years.
No. Try e-mail Anno
Kaworu seems to have memories of the TV series. Nobody knows why.
Kaworu is a looper.
She's now a Christmas cake with a 14-year-old body.
Asuka achieved a whole new level of tsundere.
Will Anno finally grow some balls and pair her with Shinji?
No it isn't. It just has a bunch of meta references to the original series that some faggots have interpreted literally as "evidence" that it's a sequel. Even though that would make absolutely no sense at all.
Anno heard that time loops were popular so now Kaworu is Homu.
I can't help but think Power Rangers every time I see that thing.
>She just decides she likes him after about 10 minutes and is miraculously still tsuntsun for him after 14 years
When did this happen in Rebuilt? I thought it made it obvious that Rei wants Shinji's dick, not Asuka.
But that's what always happens.
Blame Japan for not receiving the cake you were promised.
Downloading with the speed of light.
She has a separate line where she's like, "After 14 years you're still the biggest brat I know!"
Or maybe that was Misato.
Whatever. It's not really that important.
"He's not just an idiot, he's a brat" would sound really awkward in English, whereas "He's not just an idiot, he's a [expletive stronger than "idiot"]" makes actual sense as dialogue.
It was obvious that both of them did.
It always happens, but Anno has to be a sly motherfucker about it and there always has to be some catch like all of mankind turning to Tang.
I do Anon. I do.
>yfw Anno leaves Rei retarded in 4.0
Mankind already got pretty much wiped out in Rebuild so the ending will probably be less grim this time.
After witnessing the hilarity that is Rei Q, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
>so the ending will probably be less grim this time
I sure hope so, it would be a nice change of pace.
>implying Anno is finished fucking with the EVA fanbase
I guarantee you there is still a big chunk of humanity left and we just haven't seen them. If humanity is wiped out except for the Wunder, then
1) How did Misato & co. make it?
2) Where did the crew come from?
3) How did Sakura survive Near-3I? And if Toji was dead, you'd think she would be a lot less cheerful when Shinji asks about him.
I was under the impression eva rebuild would be like the retake doujin
I guess it's just not eva without shinji being useless
>the ending will probably be less grim this time.
>implying it won't end with Shinji waking up in the original series and getting up to go meet Misato like he did in EP1
But Rebuild is an adaptation of the ReTake doujin. They just switched Asuka with Kaworu.
There are probably significant settlements left but they might only be in the millions total or even thousands. Billions are dead for sure, worse than Second Impact.
Toji is gonna enter the final fight in Eva Mk. 7 and fuck some shit up before sacrificing himself so Shinji and Asuka can live and be happy. Shit will be totally yen.
>THE CUUURRRSE OF EVA
hey, Anno feels the curse of Eva more than anyone.
Important 3.0 Plot Question:
If Gendo and Fuyutsuki have been living alone in the wrecked NERV base for the last 14 years and all of the surrounding Tokyo-3 area was wiped out, what have they been eating?
Rei clones I guess.
the fruits of life
Yeah it gives him a pain in his ass right where he puts his wallet.
the curse of a full wallet is one i want
Admit it guys, this cast would have made a damn better Eva
They're too well-adjusted. Evas are powered by personal suffering. They'd never survive.
Why not both? I'd enjoy the inevitable boys vs girls dynamic.
Which side would Shinji belong on?
>Evas are powered by personal suffering
I thought they were powered by the umbilical cable (And in Shinji's case, an S2 engine)?
People who've seen the dub, please tell me that Tiffany Grant gets to speak some German? There needs to be more of that in the world.
True story, I watched Eva dubbed the first time I watched it, and when I changed to Japanese and Asuka never spoke any German I was so pissed I swore I'd never watch it subbed again.
He stays home because Gendo forgot his birthday. Karl is in Unit 4 for the guys.
I just realized what keeping Asuka and Rei unchanged in appearance means for Eva as a whole. It means it's truly become otaku pandering shit, the opposite of the original Eva. Whelp, there goes my hope for 4.0 being any good.
Bullied to dress like a girl and still stay on the boys' side
Evangelion Dub was okay.
Sub was better of course.
I miss when this was a banner...
No, they need the trauma too. You don't get the real quality performance otherwise.
Nice. I always found autistic Kaworu to be more interesting than super space gay jesus.
10/10 would watch.
She could have spent a little more time polishing her accent. But I still enjoyed it and appreciated that she made an effort.
Considering how wrong Freud was, Anno should have done a Persona and gone full Jung instead for Rebuild.
I just watched the dubbed trailer for the movie, and holy shit
>Shinji's pronunciation of Misato
It's like there's no quality control in the english dub
>digging is cool,I bet he could reach Chine
>Ramiel is digging in Japan.
I got the impression they weren't really being serious with the dub.
> anons bringing up Freud
anyone read Demian by Hesse? it only sort of touches on similar themes to nge, but it's about a teenage boy who falls in love with his imaginary gay Mary Sue friend, whose Mom's name is Eva. they make out at the end. in a warzone.
needless to say, the similarities were shocking
b-but Misato died
>fuck you she's alive 14 years later
Wait until you hear them stumble over Longinus
How do you even fuck up the word "Longinus"?
It's not even nipponese.
If Kaworu can come back from the dead and shit, then so can Rei 2. She comes back,
It's Lonj-eye-nus for some reason. That was the part of the dub that annoyed me the most.
Other than that, I actually kind of enjoyed it. Tiffany Grant is good at her job.
NGE's dubs in French are pretty okay, seriously.
EoE, only watched in English subs.
Rebuild, in French, had Shinji sounding like he was 35.
Sounds the same to me as NGE.
I will say I'm not sure if Mari's voice fits the character(ha) really well or not at all.
Even if it's bad it still pulls me in better than the sub. Such is life as a pleb I guess.
I seriously can't decide which Asuka VA is better.
Nippon or murican one.
Hell, I'd be enthusiastic as fuck about everything if I was my own waifu.
Because of japanese accents and inflections in pronunciation are different
What makes you think the japs have the 'right' pronunciation?
>It was dubbed "longin" in French although "longin" isn't French either
so what was the best depicted weapon in the series? my vote is for the Su-33 but the Smerch was up there. same with that weird M270 / RM-70 crossbreed
If by "stumble" you mean "actually pronounce it correctly"
Miyamura's performance is definitely the better one, even with her german. But I'd rather hang out with Grant
Who gives a shit they're probably both wrong since it's a Latin name.
I think anon meant that the word was from a european origin, so it would be retarded to fuck it up
>What makes you think the japs have the 'right' pronunciation?
I don't. That's what I'm getting at.
I mean, considering that Longinus is a western word, you'd think that someone speaking english would be able to pronounce it correctly.
I might have to try this.
>Tiffany Grant is good at her job.
Tiffany Grant is what makes the dub good.
The only problem is that Asuka's voice in the sub is just as good, and is much better with her catch phrases.
I've always had trouble deciding which I like more for Asuka.
The only relevant battle "weapon" was the AT-field which was truly an original and intelligent idea especially when Gendo uses it as an excuse for third impact, considering that everyone's AT-fields make them drift away and that everyone is now lonely.
Go die. Misato's voice is and has always been the best thing about Eva dubs.
Regardless of origin, it's pretty embarrassing not to have any quality control on these things for a feature film.
It's Rei's, though.
Rei II comes back out of Unit 01 to stop reborn Kawuguu after he goes full Adam.
It's still a western word, though.
Something like "Longinus" is about as non-japanese as you can get with a word.
yeah but what about the Yak-38? That's way cooler.
eva was full of slavshit, which is actually true of the real UN's forces too
She comes back of Unit 01 and unites with Adam. Fifth impact ensues.
USA USA USA USA
>rating english Rei over Megumi Hayashibara
It was especially strange in Misato's case, because at the end of 2.22 she loudly encouraged Shinji not to give a fuck about anyone and do what he himself wishes for.
What? EoE expands the last 2 episodes and finishes the story. What happens in EoE makes sense if you've actually watched the series.
It's literally like watching the last 2 episodes of a plot/character-driven series. EoE is what episodes 25 and 26 were supposed to be if they hadn't been butchered because Gainax.
>I was looking for my father in Ryoji's arms
I don't see how it makes her less cool or disproves her feelings.
Eva was the only thing that mattered in 2013 besides Monogatari and Love Lab, besides Attack On Kek/Kill la Kek
I don't think she meant wreck the world shinji
AWL is pretty damn good. The one they got for Rebuild is pretty meh.
Not him but English Rei being best thing about Eva dubs wouldn't mean English Rei is best Rei.
>tfw the first time you watch this particular scene
English is a Germanic language, it might be technically closer but it's still not even in the same branch of languages.
Japanese Rei>French Rei>English Rei
Coming from someone who watched NGE thrice this week.
Not the same Longinus who had a lance, but
Check and mate.
No fifth impact only clash of the angels
Whole episode was great.
Made me change my mind about Asuka for 180 degrees.
>but it's still not even in the same branch of languages.
Compared to Japanese?
Plus, modern english is a hybrid language. The words heavily overlap, the only part that distinctly germanic is the sentence structure. In terms of vocabulary, it's the a lot (if not most) of english is Latin or French in origin.
>Not the best thing to come out of the entire franchise
>Only country to successfully destroy an Angel with military technology being assisted by an Evangelion, not the other way around
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
Origin, but pronunciations are usually butchered
Didn't even need an eva. Suck it murica.
what was with the math words that were just thrown in for no reason? like "chamber of guf?" the vice-commander says it ONCE. I know it's some mathematical theorem or whatnot but there's no way they were using it in any way that makes sense.
That's true but words with Romance roots are often pronounced very differently. Than they would be in their source languages.
I mean the "correct" way to say Caesar is how we say Kaiser. Because Kaiser is how the word would be spelled phonetically in English.
She had her mother's help. It doesn't count!
USA USA USA USA USA
I loved AWL's voice as Rei. Had this floating, otherworldly quality to it.
It's funny because just like Hayashibara, her real-life personality is the polar opposite if Rei. I think that's actually why she was cast in the first place. (Gainax had final approval over all the dub casting and scripts.)
Eva was seriously like the first series to have an even watchable dub. Because they put it out so slowly the voice actors had a lot of time to figure out and inhabit the characters, so at first they suck but by the end they're pretty damn good.
"In Jewish mysticism the Chamber of Guf (also Guph or even Gup) Hebrew for "body", also called the Otzar (Hebrew for "treasury"), is the Treasury of Souls, located in the Seventh Heaven."
8min58 for the qtest Rei voice ever
>Eva was seriously like the first series to have an even watchable dub.
the true heroes of eva
Chamber of Guf is a religious reference. Something about the source of souls in traditional Jewish beliefs. In Eva it just means pocket dimension.
Eva was well before Bebop.
So murrica gets help from Evas it counts, but she does it with the help of a dead person and it doesn't?
lel Asuka did all the job
>Implying Murrica couldn't solo every angel if it wanted to
But what I'm mostly getting at is that in terms of word structure, "longinus" should still be easier for an english person to pronounce than a native japanese speaker. Especially considering that overrap between the letters "r" and "l" they have.
A native english speaker shouldn't have issues pronouncing that.
No, it's also where souls are contained in Eva.
>b-but the christian symbolism means nothing!
He has a point though I still think there's something missing between 2.22 and 3.33 even with all the backstory given
What am I saying everything is missing is Shinji even Shinji or is he a clone how the hell did he get into space why was he protected by an angel/psuedoangel who piloted kaworus eva
20fucking15 s too far away
Asuka wasn't the only one in the eva during that episode.
>faggot crying and screaming like a faggot
>doing anything but being a faggot crying and screaming like a faggot
Bebop dub came like five years after Eva.
Souls are contained inside each individual's AT field. Unless you're saying it's where the souls of dead people go, which I guess could be the case even though I don't think it's ever alluded to. I could be wrong on that last part.
Their synchronization won that battle.
Did you even watch that episode..?
>faggot couldn't even speak german
>shoddy japanese engineering unable to handle american freedom power supply
In that case the English speaker's pronunciation is likely the correct one for all intents. On a technical level they're probably both wrong.
>Nevada gets turned into a crater
>Immediately wash their hands of from the whole Angel fighting business.
>EoE before the series
Well the other US Nerv facility was in Boston and we can't risk loosing MIT before they finish work on Jet Alone.
>Unless you're saying it's where the souls of dead people go, which I guess could be the case even though I don't think it's ever alluded to. I could be wrong on that last part.
Actually it's the opposite, it's where souls of the unborn are. It was empty which is why Instrumentality is necessary; humanity will die out otherwise. At least according to some of the dialogue in the last episodes.
>I have watched End of Eva and she was the only character that was even remotely interesting. Admittedly, I should probably watch the show first
What the hell, mang..
And you wouldn't want to kill Walter Bishop.
Chmaber of Guf is that "moon" with the four cardinal crosses you see deep inside the Impact, you see it when Shinji is raising into Fourth Impact
Dollars to donuts Gendo is trying to bring the Key of Nebuchadnezzar into it
and wow thank you spellcheck
I don't think it's ever implied Instrumentality was necessary, only that it would be a better way of life for mankind.
>humanity will die out
What dialogue would that be?
>still no victor in sight
Provided that you've been her for a week, freshman
You're right, I was confusing speculation with the actual dialogue.
Happens to the best of us.
I-I like you Freud-senpai!
Fun fact. Someone broke into the building where Frued's urn/ashes were and smashed it.
>This whole thread
why didn't they just fly the ring to 3rd impact
>I watched End of Eva but not the series
Why would anyone do this
I think SEELE says something about mankind having reached the limit of its evolutionary potential and how that has something to do with the Chamber of Guf being empty, but I don't know if it's ever really explained what specifically that means.
No, it has something to do with individual AT-fields being too large.
I like where this is going.
Cry some more please.
You can post your strawpoll hom many times you want, the result doesn't change.
>he watched EoE before the show
> he hasn't read the masterpiece that is ReTake
I wonder how many people died at this episode, considering some 50 kids died watching the Porygon episode
is she ok
Well, there's a "metaphor" of it in Re-take.
It was the most retarded part of it
Oh, are we doing this?
I'm not sure if I'm ready.
Is thread dead?
Reminder to Kaworu/Asuka shippers, it was Kaworu clones who did that to her.
Ikari Shinji, everyone.
Someone actually drew this
Why did Shinji strangle Asuka?
no, it just showed up one day on the internet.
I don't get how she was able to get into Shinjis world/the past
She was detected as an angel for a bit but that was it
Unless she wasn't actually the daughter and was actually God
No need to remind, Kaworu/Asuka shippers are just troles.
Anyway that's supposed to represent Bardiel in 2.0
Because he needed some exercise to take out his rage.
But that's what makes the ship so good.
Kaworu effectively takes everything from her.
that's some clean coloring holy shit source?
I don't see your point
I watched some of the later episodes and thought it was still terrible. And they can't get the screams right.
But he did it once more after
Yes, that's Ikari Shinji with a blue wig.
yeah, I should have posted one of the earlier posts
I told you he exercises.
She didn't want to have sex with him before and he let his frustration out at that point.
After everything that happened, why wouldn't he?
But it's mostly because he was on that beach for a long time before Asuka washed up on the shore. He was partially insane by the time she showed up.
Well..They kinda come from the same mother.
some art class prob made him
I did a Megaman X4 collage because I played it before the project was due and I wanted to draw Zero
Still the best X game
So /a/, what happens when Shinji goes back In time at the end of rebuild to start the original series?
More like she's his mother.
Nothing special, Anno confirmed for jew
We murder Anno.
I like you.
>Rebuild has been around for 7 years by now
>still having expectations
To each his own I guess. The screams were better in Japanese but I liked othervthings about the dub. Even when it was super cheesy I found it pretty lovable.
>implying he didn't do that 3 times already
>implying Shinji isn't the four Adams
No expectations but he needs to be stopped.
> I still think there's something missing between 2.22 and 3.33
Let me remind you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbDAdCDubkI
If you think whatever fuckup in Rebuild is enough to deserve a reaction from you, you probably shouldn't even watch Evangelion. To be honest, you're probably in the wrong place.
He doesn't. You should just enjoy the eyecandy and those 90 extra minutes of Eva universe on a big fucking screen.
It's not like this shamefur dispray will taint the past glory of the original series.
Anyway I wouldn't put him first on my list of people who need to be stopped
>tfw we will never have a NGE series where Kaworu is introduced earlier and gets 10 episodes of character development until he ultimately betrays everyone in ep24
At the beginning, Shinji loses control of his pent-up emotions in Asuka's presence and they come out in a sexual way. At the end, Shinji loses control of his pent-up emotions in Asuka's presence and they come out in a violent way. What happened between one bookend and the other?
Thank God. Kaworu a shit.
Walking plot device gay Jesus was annoying enough as it is
Reifags are sore losers.
3.0 didn't help them though
Man thank you, you are the first /a/non I've seen talk sense about Rebuild.
I dropped all expectations after 2.0, now I'm just along for the ride and even if it fucking sucks the original isn't going anywhere.
He was on that beach for a while after triggering impact. He'd made a grave for Misato and co. He was, at a guess, beginning to live the sort of life mentioned at the end of ep26, of one where he might like himself. Then out of nowhere, Asuka appears, a girl who regularly degraded him. Furthermore, her existence reminds him of the parts of himself he detests. He jerks off to her when she's asleep. He doesn't want to pilot Eva, yet she's happy to pilot hers. He failed to save her from the mass produced units. Put all of that together and he just wants to end it before it begins. Prematurely kill the other hedgehog, so to speak.
Interestingly, he stops when she strokes his face, which can be viewed as a symbol of the affection and validation he seeks from others. We've come full circle, back to the hedgehog's dilemma.
Oh, and it also nicely throws back to the strangling of Asuka that marked his decision to initiate Third Impact when she (representing the world) refused to help him. This could be taken to mean that he hasn't made progress from that time, and that he still doesn't want to deal with other people. (Which begets the question of what led him to reject instrumentality.)
Yeah this was one of the few problems I had with the original series. I didn't feel betrayed when Kaworu turned out to be an Angel because he'd just been introduced. If he'd already been an established character I might have.
I always got the feeling that after all the shit he went through, he doesn't quite accept that he has come back to reality. When she strokes his cheek and shows signs of life, he realizes that he isn't lashing out at his own pain and fear, but at a person that he on some level loves.
P&S was made for you then
The only issue I've got with that is that Misato's cross being on a grave-marker suggests that he's spent quite a while on the beach, which makes the idea of him thinking it's still a mindscrew more implausible.
Shinji really ruins Evangelion. It would have been much better without him.
It seems like every Eva girl is getting a crack at Shinji except the best one.
When will they do a Misato ending?
> Neon Genesis Statutory Rape
captcha: rtitums and
I'm still mad about it.
holy fuck I didn't remember about this
I wouldn't say it points to a lack of any progress, but more to the fact that all progress on those fronts is incremental. For the same reason that the ep 26 line you mentioned is 'maybe I could learn to like myself', hardly an encompassing epiphany, but more like the first step of an ongoing process
>you can see Misato's body being blown in half for a split second
The last 5 seconds of this are the saddest ones of the whole movie. I got fucking mad when they killed Misato.
>being mad at such poor trole
>implying it actually wouldn't even him out
Really, someone should have just ordered Misato to fuck him after the first or second angel attack. It'd give him a confidence boost, get him more willing to listen to authority, even out his emotions, give him an outlet, and maybe make him more social.
Not like Misato would even mind that much. After all the shit she's been through, a doormat like Shinji would probably be good for her.
He chokes her twice. The first time is in the 'imaginary' scene preceding the beginning of Tumbling Down, which is a representation of him finally turning violent and destructive, instead of his usual passive resignation (and especially his extreme fetal state in EOE), wishing to kill Asuka and all she represents to him. It's his ultimate rejection of others, due to how they reject him. But of course, they reject him because he rejects himself, as Asuka says. He's killing her for saying "No", but his destruction is really self-destruction, and he's hating her because of his own self-loathing complexes, also keep in mind the scene never happens in reality, just in his head.
So in his self-destruction, he finally completely gives up on his own life and others. "Where there is no one else, let me return to nothing". The song and the apocalypse immediately starts then for a reason.
The ending scene choking essentially serves as a callback to the first one, which bookends the whole Tumbling Down Apocalypse event. I think it shows that even though he's gone through so much, it's still very hard to really change, which the new horrifying setting represents as well (even if you get through and deal with a lot of shit, doesn't mean everything's still not shit around you). Asuka's reaction I think represents his new hope to keep living to find human connection, but it is also mixed (caressing hand / "I feel sick")
Disregard the second quote
> the horses
I couldn't not think of this:
Yeah, because forced prostitution and molestation usually work wonders on the people involved.
How's the manga,/a/?
What would you say the difference between his mindscrew-strangling of Asuka and his post-impact strangling is, if any? Is there something that demonstrates or hints at him growing as a person? (Or would that be him not going through with the murder?)
I doubt shinji has money
he's not a hypocrite
he hates himself for being an otaku as well
If NERV, the people supplying Misato's payroll, order her to fuck the boy, it's prostitution.
The dub of this scene is really good. There used to be several different versions of it up on Youtube but they're all taken down now. Nuts.
Making Misato have sex with Shinji to get him to pilot would be a form of prostitution with piloting being the currency being exchanged for sexual favors.
Not worth it. Nice art, though.
>if this kid doesn't work his shit out he's probably going to get eaten by some horrible space alien/god thing
>if that happens everyone on earth dies
>why not set two people up to make our operational commander more stable and our pilot more evened out?
>FUCK NO THAT'S PROSTITUTION
>I'D RATHER BE TANG THAN ENDORSE THAT SHIT
>tfw just fapped
this is fucking amazing, thanks anon-san
>>why not set two people up to make our operational commander more stable and our pilot more evened out?
It won't make them more evened out. They're both fucking crazy.
Well, all the higher-ups WOULD rather be tang. That's what SEELE wants. Fuyutsuki is totally fine with it. Gendo, in some form, would probably have been fine with it.
Adult Evangerions anime when?
Now just imagine the implications
>NGE with adults
>all the psycho sex
10/10 would watch
Shinji is terrified of intimacy. Not sure why you think being molested is going to help him with that.
You're making a scene, anon.
It's just some friendly sex.
Don't sweat it, your virginity is safe
Well I'm not really someone that's put a lto of thought into it, but I see them as ultimately coming from the same place. Showing how easy it is for him to fall back into his same habits and lines of thinking? Combining that with her gesture, for me, gives it the bittersweet poignancy that makes it so memorable.
I'm probably projecting a lot of my own experiences with depression on it, I admit
This is the only fucking thing Anno needed to bowl out.
Instead we get rebuilds, remakes, revamps, chibi SoL, all kind of bullshit.
We just needed seinen Evangelion, Anno.
That would be glorious
So instead of forcing him to work through that with an experienced, older woman it's best to either
1. Allow him to continue along like he is, becoming even more terrified of intimacy until he's fapping all over comatose girls at the hospital
2. He reaches the boiling point and murders people in his impotent rage. In the Eva.
>tfw no rei spin-off
You need to be an adult to write adult things.
Anno wasn't one when he made NGE, and he probably isn't even now.
just like us
The dub is hilariously bad.
It makes the movie funny.
It's different when you can laugh at it and not take it as seriously.
some girls just want to fuck in the ass
same as it ever was
then how about pen pen
Maybe he just wants to fap to his /ss/ fantasy
It's a dumb idea though because Misato already has a big sex problem and Shinji would probably freak at someone making skin contact and both are totally inept at relationships
All of NGE was Anno projecting his experiences with depression so I think you're fairly accurate.
Basically Asukafags on an egotrip.
>The everyday life of an autistic vat-grown doll
>why do I exist
>stare blankly at wall
>go obey orders at NERV
>cook pill soup
>stare blankly some more
Super duper interesting
what about him?
>adult evangelion is a happy-go-lucky show about Shinji and Co. trying to rebuild the world after the Third Impact
>rei clones everywhere along with a creepy giant rei that everyone pretends to ignore, hoping it eventually goes away
>an episode around Shinji trying to help his dad and mom get back together
>an episode about Asuka trying to prove she's the best pilot where she challenges Shinji to a tank race through the ruins of Tokyo
>an episode solely about Fuyutsuki and his interesting life post-NERV
>every other episode a major character crawls out of the tang ocean and Shinji has to go on a life-changing adventure with them to help them get adjusted to the post-Apocalypse
animals can't be prostitutes
I think it was just an excuse to put some porn in it.
It wasn't necessary to depict her defeat as nigger gang raping, it was just for the faps
>get told there's no Chicago showing
>find out there was a showing this weekend
God fucking damnit, MusicBox. I signed up for your fucking newsletter, why don't you tell me about this shit BEFORE the tickets sell out?
Serial Experiments Lain was fucking interesting.
Add some drama and more backstory with Rei exploring, and you've got anime of the year.
>>an episode solely about Fuyutsuki and his interesting life post-NERV
I'd watch it only for this. I love the old man.
No, it's some sort of entitlement thing, since it's a shipping comic. Asukafags are of the opinion that Shinji should care about Asuka at all times, noone else and anything else is a crime.
Shit was tumbling down and it's more about the emotion of it.
Are you telling me that in a fandom where the most popular ships are Shinji/sychogirl, Shinji/cloneofhismother, and Shinji/gayalienfromouterspace that Shinji/Misato is where you people draw the line?
THAT is where the buck stops?
>forcing him to work through that
How would loveless, mandatory sex help him with his intimacy problems? If you were saying that they should've had an in-house therapist at NERV or something, I would agree with you, but you seem to be asserting that statutory rape is an effective form of psychological repair.
And actually, if I recall correctly, Misato does make some advances on Shinji in an attempt to comfort him, and he rejects them immediately. So you can probably cut out the "statutory" from "statutory rape" in this scenario. Ya wacko.
I'm sure bestiality would work wonders on Shinji. Honestly if you want to go down this road it would be a good idea to hire Mana for said purpose, and SLOWLY work him towards it with a nonthreatening girl.
Are you kidding? The reveal that piloting Evas makes you developmentally stunted was the most meta as fuck thing in 3.0.
But Lain was a living, complete, developed person. Rei has half a soul and the life experience of a 4 years old, and she has autism
>The episode is just him playing shogi
No need for 'drama' just a Serial Experiments Rei.
I want kaworu to fuck me with his voice
no homo though
>the episode is of him going about his daily business while insane stuff happens in the background
Rei spinoff could be fukken amazing, in a "if you thought Shinji's life was shitty, wait till you see Rei's".
Could go more onto the themes of loneliness and what you need in life to be happy, and when/how it's all right to sacrifice your own happiness for others.
Perhaps the importance of asserting yourself once in a while, as well as finding yourself.
>school prep forces Shinji to lick her ass
>she pegs him
>everytime u get on the robot ill fuk ur ass k?
>kills his dad due to overcoming anxiety
>no third impact
>Shinji should care about Asuka at all times
That's right. It's like you never watched NGE
>noone else and anything else is a crime
This is not right, and that's not what asukafags think
>So instead of forcing him to work through that with an experienced, older woman it's best to either
You don't put crazy and crazy together in a room to fuck each other and expect it to work out. Misato's problem was that she uses sex in replacement for actual connection, it won't be used for 'healing'. Shinji's problem is that he can't make any connection out of self-loathing and not trusting others, being used as Misato's sex tool out of her own complexes (and ultimately on Gendo's orders to serve Nerv's purposes) would just make him hate himself and others more, and probably make him not be able to trust anyone who says they want to care for him.
Having sex will fix neither of their issues and only exacerbate them.
10/10 would watch
>But Lain was a living, complete, developed person.
That and Rei is also a living and complete person, she's merely fresh and has many more impressions to be had.
Lain is similar to Rei in tons of ways, there's even a schizo multiple personality thing going on.It Lain explores the wired, then Rei would explore the soul and connections between people and understanding them.
Drama always adds to the experience.
>This is not right, and that's not what asukafags think
>That's right. It's like you never watched NGE
There's no fucking way it could go wrong.
Make it happen Anno
That would be great.
The only way an adult Shiji could work is if he had severe PTSD and depression though. Also, make it so that each pilot suffers from a debilitating psychological disorder.
Way more depth to that than just a 14 year old doing shit how a 14 year old would.
How would the third impact work though? An adult is not going to fuck up the world just so his dad can get laid again.
I don't ship any of them, I think they'd all have similarly disastrous results.
I'm saying as an actual real plot idea it's pretty dumb
Just go watch one of Anno's live action movies.
>I heard the opinion of the member of a group once. That must be what everyone thinks
>implying Asuka wasn't the main vehicle to Shinji's "redemption"
Anno would like to have some words with you
>That's right. It's like you never watched NGE
...wait, why should he? Let's say Shinji is a mindbroken fuck, and he's too messed up to think clearly, why should he care?
That's really egoistic, like how Asuka manages to call for help.
I'll never get Asukafags, "oh so strong" but she needs to call on a partner every time?
asuka weak as fuk
Yeah I'll admit it's the most prominent of the group, you know what I mean. Asuka being x y vehicle doesn't matter either, Shinji is a person before some kind of tool. If that's all he is, then meh.
>should care about Asuka at all times
Wait a second, are you referring to Evangelion in general or to Retake?
Because if it's about Retake, I take it back.
The Asuka = Strong thing is an illusion, the point of it is to have the pretense of a "strong" character, which always needs someone else to rely on.
Standard fantasy, male and female.
It would be difficult to write,though.
Because they're adults and their characters would have much more depth now.
And I don't think Anno would be up for a job.
Let him write kid characters instead.
There is a Rei, or something that looks like Rei. Doesn't mean you should watch it. A new rule emerged after 3.0, if you like Rei, don't bother with EVA any more.
The plot practically writes itself, go for it Anno
it's just hand cream
Anyone have the one written by the same kid, except about pokemon?
Rei would be the one to watch. How would she be like after more than a decade without having to live to fulfill Gendo's purpose? How would she make peace with the fact that she is Lilith, and was all these other versions of herself? What would her relationship with Shinji be after all the shit that went down in Instumentality? Could she even come back? She's not a lilin, but an angel. She wasn't part of human instrumentality. Although an image of her appears after the fact. Are the souls of the progenitors immortal? Adam's soul survived the destruction of Antarctica.
I just want Rei to grow up and live for herself, to grow and make peace with her nature, to become herself. I guess I am a Reifag. She deserved better than she got.
So, what would fix them is a gradual relationship based on trust and companionship.
In the show Shinji was using Misato as a surrogate mother, so her taking time with him and complimenting him didn't do as much than if someone outside his tiny social circle had said the same things or taken an interest in him. Now, if Gendo ordered her to get into a relationship with him, it would firmly kick her out of the "family" zone and every time she said he did a good job or thanked him for doing shit around the apartment he'd get something from it.
Add to that the gradual confidence boost he'd get simply from having a girlfriend as well as a close-at-hand emotional pillar and he's doing alright. It would be weird at first, sure, but with all the shit happening to him on a daily basis he'd eventually get used to it. Probably. If he didn't completely freak out at the very start.
Now, Misato would probably resent being ordered to do something like that, but her and Shinji would get along regardless. I doubt she'd jump into bed with him orders or not, but she'd probably agree with the confidence boost reasoning and play along. She'd get a "safe" relationship not completely centered around physical pleasure and a partner whose self esteem is way too low to leave her. And, because of orders and Shinji's position, she couldn't just run away like she did with Kaji when emotions got involved.
Why the fuck am I arguing the pros of a fictional fourteen year-old getting into a relationship with a twenty's something fictional woman at six in the morning?
Why is he touching her belly buttong
>being strong means being able to beat up enemies
Asuka comes from the same situation as Shinji, with similar traumas and all, but with an opposite way of facing them and facing life in general. They both have a lot to learn from each other, and they actually do (well before everything goes to shit). It's not by chance that she likes him (and viceversa): they're very similar and could potentially easily understand each other. This is why Asuka gets so frustrated and pissed off at him (you don't even hold me), because he could be but ultimately didn't become who she wanted, that is a confident, open, apparently normal person.
Anyway, everything goes downhill and tumbling down, and the story takes another way.
But it's pretty clear that she was fundamental in his development and that her way to face life would have done miracle to that fagget.
Coincidentally, during his tsuntsun competion with Asuka, he had the best synchro performances
Why am I even here at 6 in the morning?
It is funny. Because it's supposed to be sad like you say, it really is horrible, but it's so badly done. It's like a joke.
Put it into context with 2.0 and the Rei you know, and it's not sad because Rei Q is in a sad situation, it's sad because they sacrificed Rei entirely and butchered it. Then this absolute mockery is there in place of Rei, and all it says is "I dunno". It evoked a laugh from me too, because it's so obviously made to make Shinji feel bad.
The horses aren't supposed to be amusing either, but it's very over the top and extremely cliche in a way. You've got this overload of symbolism over what is practically nothing.
You know how people think those comics where a man takes his shirt off and everyone is swooning and fainting in a 20 miles radius? It's funny in the same way, it's ridiculous.
He's merging her uterus with Adam.
Don't ask why.
>it's Eva,I don't need to explain shit
cuz shes lilith u fukken retard
If anyone was to be made to fall in love with Shinji, having it be Hikari would probably be the best route. He has opportunities to hang out with her in class. She could take his mind off the pain of piloting, as she isn't really part of that world. Same age, not tied up with performing. You'd just have to engineer a plot to push them together, and that's kindergarten shit for NERV. Shinji would foil all these plans though by just running away from affection.
Rei has an extreme amount of potential if you go with the original character, so much that it would consume everything else rather quickly by making it pale in comparison.
He is literally impregnating her with his hand.
Only when Lilith and Adam join can Instrumentality take place.
Pretty legit. Too bad Nerv's intentions were exactly to make him miserable and let Instrumentality happen
I know you fucktard.
But what's the point of him pushing Adam into her uterus,I don't understand.
you fukken fukktard
I don't even think the writing for Rei Q was bad. I just think it wasn't enough time with her. I would prefer there not be a time-skip, but so long as Rei 02 is okay, I'll deal with it. Just imagine how much better the movie would be if there was a two minute scene of Gendo eating with Rei, mirroring the scene in 2.22, only with the finery all messed up from time and war. He'd look over at Rei Q, dressed in her Eva-09 plugsuit, and see Rei 02 for a second, saying that Ikari should come over for dinner. Close up on his cyborg visor, he rises and excuses himself. Rei Q sits there for a second before leaving.
Well what else is he supposed to do? Fist her cervix?
>Rei has an extreme amount of potential
It would just be literally just 20 minutes of pic related
>I don't even think the writing for Rei Q was bad. I just think it wasn't enough time with her.
In other words, it was bad, and the scene you propose doesn't work with current and then-gendo either.
she cut it short so we'll never know
I dunno. He and Rei 02 are talking to each other seemingly happily in 1.11, and have dinner together in 2.22. Gendo may be one ice cold bad ass, but he uses Rei as an emotional stand in for Yui. Imagine having all that progress totally lost, and not having Ritsuko around to bang anymore. Rei Q would probably make him miss the real Rei.
And maybe that scene isn't the best, but just giving us something more would be good. The movie desperately needed 10 more minutes of important character scenes.
No, it really was bad. She's pretty much a dummy Rei, and even if you wrote it up more you just don't know enough to care. The movie could have been made better in a lot of ways.
I imagine you could easily string together a more adult drama if you include Rei. Gendo, Ritsuko, Nerv personell can be brought together in a new way, then not to mention the children.
It'll fit since Rei is neither a child or an adult, but a middle-ground of sorts with no inclination towards childishness or necessarily maturity. You can leave the 20-minutes of mindfucking to the later episodes.
No, it still won't work because you miss a time-frame. There's no character behind Rei Q that explains why she is what she is, and thus why Gendo would miss the "old" stand-in.
In reality, Rei Q should never have happened and we should have gotten Rei III instead.
Where was the Su-33? I honestly don't remember a single aircraft in the series besides NERV's VTOL gunshiops.
Why the fuck do you have to project and whiteknight so much? If you deem yourself a Reifag, can't you just love her for what she is? What kind of degenerated husbando are you, one of those sick fucks who try to shape their waifu according to their own wish?
How absolutely warui.
Rei is a tank-bred, vat-grown, diluted copy of a copy of a copy of a clone of the dead Rusemaster Yui, she has only half a soul (the one of a fucking angel) and she was literally born, or should I say extracted from her tank, just some time before the events of Evangelion.
All of this is Gendo's fault, but that doesn't change the fact that she is a canon autistic 4 years old doll.
No amount of whiteknighting or dicking in this world could fix her. You should just accept her for what she is.
And unless you enjoy staring at walls, or you want 25 episodes of her though trains, she is not interesting
10 more minutes of a barely introduced character wouldn't have mad much difference. Even if they wanted the real Rei still gone, she took away time that could have been used for other elements of the story.
Rei Q doesn't stand for lost progress, she's new entirely so that's bogus. If Gendo didn't want to lose progress, he should have fished out Rei from EVA01, Gendo left Rei behind, and now he has Rei Q to order around.
It'd be best if Rei Q never happened really, it is exclusively a negative thing for both Rei and Rei Q that they exist in the same "canon".
I'm guessing in 2.0 when they escort EVA02 to it's first battle.
he might be thinking of the Yak-38 in ep 8
Part of the hate for Rei Q is the segue from the end of 2.22, where Shinji went all out to rescue Rei II. The audience and even Misato fist-pumped at him finally doing something for him, even if it meant the destruction of humanity. To have that pulled out from under our feet with no real explanation is a sucker punch and a cop out.
I'm expecting time-shenanigans. 3.33 won't be a sequel to 2.22; you'll see. There's a reason 4.44 was to be released at the same time.
What are you talking about?
Rei is even as you describe her, a perfect vehicle for communicating thoughts on the predicament of human existence - all that fucked stuff would, just like it already does in NGE, make Rei question life and existence naturally since her existence is abnormal and different.
It's so simple and effective.
If Rei isn't interesting to you, then that's too bad. Rei is interesting to me as-is, but if you're going to make a spinoff like the guy I replied to was on to, or make a new story, you should take advantage of the character's strength.
On the other hand, why are you trying to deny Rei being interesting?
Yeah. I'm struggling to think of a way you could make 3.33 better just with added scenes, not wholesale revision. A flashback maybe, but it would feel out of place, and you could never have enough to explain it all. A scene with Gendo instructing Kaworu? Seele messaging him? Some scenes with Wille after Shinji bails? The last one would change the focus from Shinji though.
I don't think the timeskip was an innately bad idea. The cold open has us right in Shinji's shoes, confused as shit about what happened. It's just that no one clears anything up for him the entire movie, when Fuyutsuki or someone probably would have gotten the up to speed on the timeskip instead of going into the past with the origins of the Eva project.
Here's how you fix 3.33 regarding Rei:
No Rei at all. Not a single presence. Gone, completely.
The rest of 3.33 isn't that hard, you just need to focus more on the characters overall.
>Rei is even as you describe her, a perfect vehicle for communicating thoughts on the predicament of human existence
Now imagine this, for 20 minutes, for 26 episodes.
It can't be done.
And I'm not denying she's interesting in her distinctive characteristics, but she absoutely isn't interesting or balanced enough to have a full-featured spin off.
No one wants hours of psychological wanking in her mind.
I don't think they could have completely removed Rei. Gendo needs a pilot, and Kaworu is from Seele, and he spends the movie getting his plot in motion to get rid of him. I understand why they had Rei Q just from that perspective.
Look at what Eva did for Shinji. He's no more interesting than Rei. I'd almost say he's more boring. Yet we managed to have way too much time with him, didn't we?
I'd like to see a SoL of teenage Rei exploring the real world. Not the ruined world of Eva, but an unruined world with everyone still in it, but unfucked from various impacts.
Gendo doesn't need a pilot, they could have made a new character not based on Rei, or used dummy-plugs.
Rei Q is only there to mess with Shinji, little else. You can say that's the reason, but if you want to reconcile both at least use Rei III.
Why does he need to get rid of Seele's child? He successfully kills them during 3.33, with their blessing, no less.
>It can't be done.
Arguably, it has already been done somewhat in anime like SEL.
You're also thinking in a very limited fashion, which is sad because it just confirms for me that people with little interest in Rei are limited mentally to their own niches. The original Rei doesn't just wank psychologically in her mind, you see as she grows emotionally as well, and gains a few friendships. Then since you're doing something new, loss of friendship, loss of love, everything that'll make her change her mind or "the shape of her heart", as she puts it.
This brings us into the rest of the EVA world, which would not just be about Rei, it'd be a full story like usual with EVA's and more characters.
26 episodes of one character is madness no matter who it is.
He kills him in 3.33, as he plans, and Seele is deactivated before Kaworu dies. They thought this was the real, final impact. Gendo just outfoxed them all. Kaworu thought he was getting into something different and breaks down when he realizes he's been had, and then dies, just as Gendo planned.
They shouldn't have removed Rei, but Rei Q. You either have Rei, or you have no Rei at all. If they wanted Rei out for the duration of the movie, remove all trace of Rei, and you'll avoid making for shitty characters and make Rei seem more interesting even.
Could even be counted as them taking a risk by excluding a popular character/design wholly.
I think it could have worked, Seele were pretty much irrelevant. And having literally no Rei or Rei substitutes would have made her absence that much jarring. If they wanted a confused shinji I think they shouldn't have had Wille at the start, that would have been a legitimate reason for not knowing what was going on. and then when they showed up at the end he really wouldnt have known whose advice to take.
Shitty translation. And both Misato and Asuka are bigger assholes than Shinji.
Do you think that the voice cast ever get weary of having to come back to the same thing every year or two?
"Spike? Yeah, it's me. You mind coming over to the studio next Tuesday and doing your whiny thing for a few hours? No? Okay, how's Thursday then?"
They took the biggest risk of all by taking a character so many fans love, who Shinji was willing to give up his own humanity to save, and then having her disappear. Having Rei Q in her place upset everyone like it was supposed to. 3.33 is Shinji's movie, it's all about him dealing with how he seemingly fucked everything up, and how all he has to show for it is an imitation of the person he tried to save.
This could be the exact place Shinji needs to be in for 4.0. I'm expecting Rei 02 will come back in 4.0, and she and Rei Q are going to deal with some identity shit. And that would be interesting.
If the master trolls me and Rei 02 never comes back, I take that back.
>Shinji = Rei
You fucked up big time now. Shinji may be dislikeable, but things happen to him.
She mentally grows two years. She's still a total incomplete wreck.
> few friendships
Kek. Yes if you include her son.
You could make Eva but from her perspective, that can be done, but I don't see the point. There is literally nothing else it could be done with her since she was specifically created exclusively and exactly for the sole instrumental purpose she had and (mostly) fullfilled in Evangelion.
It's cruel and disgusting, but sasuga Gendo.
Stop projecting you faggpt
Wow...I guess people weren't kidding when they said Reifags were the only ones who hated 3.0
>She mentally grows two years. She's still a total incomplete wreck.
But she grows decades in other places. She's not a wreck, and even if she were, so what? Evangelion is founded upon wrecks, and so are many fantastic stories - in making people wrecks, in having them suffer we can have them realize and understand, which is precisely what Rei does.
>Kek. Yes if you include her son.
Well you're just being dumb now.
>but I don't see the point.
You don't want to, which is the basis for your entire argument as it stands. You don't want to, and it's best if we end the discussion here and continue down that line:
Why don't you want that?
Why would they? It's actual paid work, and it's not as if voice acting is a lucrative profession, they'll take what they can get.
I reckon and admit it could be done and it would even be a success in Japan, since elevens are reifags.
But that wouldn't mean that it would be good.
Actually it would be the ultimate confirmation of Anno's thoughts and critics on anime and otakus and japanese culture: full featured series about Rei with extended psychological mind wanking and endless trains of thought about affirmation of self, conscience and whatnot, and everyone sees it and creams over it just as a fanservice.
It's not a risk, since they advertise with the same image and merely copy what they had done before with lesser quality. Rei doesn't disappear, but is present in a lot of 3.33, either by dialogue, imagery or even plot. It's an important part of the movie, which isn't interesting because it's all in all a lesser version of what you'd both expect and have already seen, and the quality of the character is far below.
>And that would be interesting.
No, it wouldn't.
Well I'm a Reifag so I fit the stereotype. I do hate 3.0, a lot.
>But that wouldn't mean that it would be good.
Nothing is good until it's made.
I'd watch it at least, but there's no guarantee I'd like it - I might even drop it all depending. If done well however, it would be pretty amazing.
Are the Reifags of Japan as pissed as the American ones? Because if they are, that is a real risk to take, especially since Anno is mostly doing Rebuilds for the money. Consciously making the film to include a lesser version of Rei to upset Shinji and the viewer, instead of just going with "Oh yeah Shinji, congratulations! You saved her! You fucked everything else up but saved her!" isn't a risk. Alternatively, "W-Where's Rei? Gone. Kaworu will take her place in assisting you when we have need for you." would piss Reifags off just as much because what most of us really want is Rei 02 anyway.
>You fucked up big time now. Shinji may be dislikeable, but things happen to him.
Doesn't a lot of things happen to Rei as well? Things happen to Shinji because he's the main character, it's contrived. We follow him around a lot while in the mean time, many other things are happening to everyone else. Full stories, even in the past.
If Rei was the main character, things would be contrived to that end as well.
Shinji is very boring until he is presented thoroughly, and he's not the most popular character in the franchise either.
>Evangelion is founded upon wrecks
There's a difference between being a person with some problems and not being a person in the first place.
She has her function in NGE, and absolves it magnificently, but there's nothing more to it.
She makes exactly one "friend", and that is Shinji, who's also her original frame's son.
>Why don't you want that?
I don't think there's ever a point in saying "oh that thing would have been better if they changed this or that", and I don't think they could make a show about an half-empty shell of a person with a realistic approach.
We keep on joking on autists and retards, but just try to figure it for real for once: a show in which the MC is literally autistic/retarded, and not in a chuuni or kawaii or comedic way, and lives his normal day.
How interesting would that be? It's not even thinkable.
Now you can say everything you want, but Rei effectively acts like a retard: no matter the cause of this, but she is literally, irreparably -at least on the short run- emotionally impaired, and can't respond to most of the things that happen around her because of this.
This kind of show would only appeal to autists who can relate to that, it would literally be fanservice for them, see >>100348302
>W-Where's Rei? Gone
That's what I mean would be the better option.
It's either that, or do it like the original where Rei is the one who saves Shinji instead, or bring Rei III in differently.
Shinji reacts to those things as well, because no matter how whiny, pussy, beta or whatever you want to call him, he's still a normal person.
Full of traumas, insecurity, faggotry and everything, but he's still a functional human.
Rei on the other hand is barely a human and doesn't qualify as a person unless you admit she has a condition
Except she doesn't/can't react to most of them.
The whole point of her character is her affirmation of person-hood and what that entails.
>There's a difference between being a person with some problems and not being a person in the first place.
She's a full person, I don't know where you get your definitions from but you're just trying to put Rei down.
Why the hate?
>She makes exactly one "friend", and that is Shinji, who's also her original frame's son.
So? Does it matter? They have no pre-existing bonds. You're trying to devalue something here but you aren't succeding.
>I don't think there's ever a point in saying "oh that thing would have been better if they changed this or that",
Then you're wrong, that's how improvements are made, or things are discovered. Seeing what's there, and then exploring what you cand o with it.
>and I don't think they could make a show about an half-empty shell of a person with a realistic approach.
Why not? You say autism, but the fact is that Rei doesn't have autism. So it's a moot point not worth addressing.
Then most importantly, you're wrong about Rei as well, she's not irreparably damaged, which is proved in NGE and even most spinoffs, Rei will always without question, thanks to her introspective nature, improve.
I recommend looking into cases where children are exposed to abuse or imprisonment, look at wolf children, or perhaps child soldiers - they are in a bad shape, but they don't necessarily regress. They still function like others.
Rei's problem is in expressing herself, which is something experience and practice will fix.
Why the hate for Rei?
Rei can and does react.
>he's still a normal person.
Not exactly, he is in no stretch what you'd call normal.
>Rei on the other hand is barely a human and doesn't qualify as a person unless you admit she has a condition
She qualifies on the exact same grounds as Shinji does. The problem here is that you don't know what a person is, you just want to make Rei seem like something lesser.
You can say that Rei is abnormal, which she is in a multitude of ways, which is as discussed earlier, the gateway into new perspectives which Rei even has in NGE.
Some people will never understand Rei Ayanami's special sway. I pity these people.
Rei is more messed up than Shinji, but she's also in a more messed up situation by far. They can both be called normal, and for the record, there's people that's far worse in real life than Rei, normal people who have been subjected to horrible experiences which left them numb.
Even in NGE, Misato was a mute for two whole years, but she's still walking and talking years later.
You have to be very narrow-minded or trying to avoid accepting how potentially great Rei is to dismiss not just the character setting, but also the development that the character already makes in the show.
I find it funny he actually deploys an AT Field
It's not special, it's really fucking common not just in real life, but even in fiction. Rei is not the first downtrodden character that can philosophize.
But anime fans just get mad at inane stuff, and don't see further than Rei being cute and incomprehensible, since they don't try to understand.
"But I dont understand!"
"Did you ever really try?", asks Rei.
Being totally honest, is Rei your waifu?
He reacts to those things according to his character. Rei would do the same according to hers.
But Shinji isn't normal, the anime acknowledges him as being mentally unstable, and anyone who sees it should be able to tell that he's severely depressed and traumatized.
This isn't normal at all.
Favourite in EVA, not waifu. I'm just sick of fans in general.
I prefer the remakes.
Thanks a lot.
Of course it is, and by the end of her life, that is ep 23, she starts to realize that. But she's not there yet.
It would be like saying that after EoE Shinji has become a sane, normal, healthy individual.
He learnt some more about living life and accepted some important things, but he still needs to walk a long road before being able to be called a sane person.
The same goes for Rei: by the end of the show she make some step forward but it's hardly enough to consider her a person.
>She's a full person. Why the hate?
No, this is just whiteknight projecting, I'm sorry.
No hate, I like her a great deal in the context of NGE+EoE.
>You're trying to devalue something here but you aren't succeding.
You said she made "some" friends but you forgot to mention that "some" actually meant "one". They were clearly hinted having some sort of instinctive bond (all the motherly imagery and Shinji's weird thoughts about her, her aspect, the smell of LCL)
>that's how improvements are made
Then just make it, no point in whining about things that are already complete just as they are.
>Rei doesn't have autism. So it's a moot point
>Rei can and does react.
>I reacted once. I'm a full blown person
> he is in no stretch what you'd call normal
He is a normal person, he doesn't have autism or any other condition of the likes. All of his issues are socially considered in the range of what a normal person can experience and fight.
>Rei = Shinji
Keep telling yourself that
>there's people that's far worse in real life than Rei
We're not questioning whether she's realistic or not, we're questioning her sanity.
>Rei would do the same according to hers.
Which is practically not reacting. That's exactly the fucking point why that would be boring and autist-pandering
Nor was I making a claim about realism, just that there is a precedent for it so pretending it's unusual is absolute folly.
Sanity is relative to the situation.
>Which is practically not reacting.
Some times, other times she does. Her reaction is indifference, which is a reaction in itself.
It would be boring to you, but not for others.
There's a difference between being depressed and traumatized and having asperger, the fact that you don't recognize this puts you out of the debate
She always knew she was a person, by ep23 she just starts to accept her own loneliness, yes she still has a long way to go since, yeah she is not a healthy individual but she's asserted herself as an individual the whole time, she is just in a quest to define what that is for somebody like her.
This is childish. Rei reacts with everything from tears to blushes and smiles, so you're full of shit.
Read a book, read about i.e Winston who doesn't react to anything and drones around, until something changes and he becomes more full of life - much like Rei.
It's not boring, you are pretty fucking boring that only wants pandering and genki anime girls.
>No, this is just whiteknight projecting, I'm sorry.
Do I need to bring out the definition? Rei has every defining trait and more.
You are being a sourpuss.
>You said she made "some" friends but you forgot to mention that "some" actually meant "one".
There isn't a required number.
>Then just make it, no point in whining about things that are already complete just as they are.
You've missed the entire point of the discussion then, things are good for Rei in NGE as is.
>see x post
Unusuality is not what would make a show about her lame. The fact that she doesn't react to most of the things that happen around her is. I don't want to watch a show where the protagonist doesn't do shit because she's autistic/incomplete/a doll/whatever you want to put it.
>Her reaction is indifference, which is a reaction in itself
>anime about chick being indifferent to things
Wow. Sounds super interesting
>Rei reacts with everything from tears to blushes and smiles
Here we go. The same old shit everytime. Trying to prove Rei is normal because she reacted once to something.
I guess rain man can be considered normal as well.
>The same goes for Rei: by the end of the show she make some step forward but it's hardly enough to consider her a person.
You should reconsider what you think a person is.
All this thread you've done nothing but shitposting, or the equivalent of it. Everything you write is more or less "I don't want it because I don't like Rei", and that's seriously pathetic.
Rei appears in NGE as fully conscious, rational, emotional, and with relationships pre-existing the series. She's a person by every single definition there is.
You don't have a definition at this point, what you have is an insult.
The fact that you think Rei has aspergers, puts you out of hte debate.
What you aren't grasping is that Rei in the series was in the process of becoming whole and her own person. A series would ideally carry through this development. By halfway through this hypothetical series, we wouldn't be watching the Rei we saw in episode 1.
>Unusuality is not what would make a show about her lame
>The fact that she doesn't react to most of the things that happen around her is.
You would find it lame. I wouldn't, and Rei reacting happens in NGE as well.
>I don't want to watch a show where the protagonist doesn't do shit because she's autistic/incomplete/a doll/whatever you want to put it.
Except, Rei would do shit, as the protagonist. Like she does in Rebuild if you will, or the manga or NGE. She does more than the others, you are only picking at "muh non-cute cliche reactions".
You're too easy to read.
>that entire post
In other words, you don't like Rei and you're butthurt. Okay. This is what's killing the fanbase right here, your kind of "fan" that's really only out to whittle away what made Evangelion as a whole good. Can't stand competition or something?
>Trying to prove Rei is normal because she reacted once to something.
Except everyone knows Rei isn't normal, and your strawman is wrong.
Why not just admit you hate Rei because she takes attention away for your waifu or something? At least then you'd appear as an egoistic asshole and not just retarded.
Rainman got a movie.
>Rei has every defining trait and more
I'll accept this when I see a Rei type acting like her in public and people totally not being freaked out by her apparent autism and offering her help.
Until then, I'll just assume that your claim of Rei = Shinji is pure projecting.
>There isn't a required number
After using the fact that she has "some" friends as a proof she's normal? Convenient.
> things are good for Rei in NGE as is
Exactly: because she was well embedded in a context, followed a precise line of events that merged in the main story which was lead on by other characters.
She has a nice place for herself in Evangelion, but she wouldn't have anything to grasp on in her own show, except excessive mind wanking, blankly staring and rare interactions with others.
>presents no counter argument on why argument is refused
Nice. But that's not how it works, anon
>I guess rain man can be considered normal as well.
That movie got four oscars, and 21 other assorted high-profile awards.
How can you be so dense and so focused in your hate for Rei that you are denying an amazing character in it's entirety?
Just because it's anime, doesn't mean you have to have some sort of exaggerated anime expression. Would you think that Rei would be better if she was like pic related?
The point of Rei expressing herself, is that it doesn't come naturally to her due to her background. Could make for interesting situations.
>Rainman got a movie.
I wouldn't compare Rainman to Rei, but even so, that alone should end his argument anyway.
>I'll accept this when I see a Rei type acting like her in public and people totally not being freaked out by her apparent autism and offering her help.
That's not what makes a person. Rei isn't normal by any stretch, and I'd offer her help or call child services as well.
>Until then, I'll just assume that your claim of Rei = Shinji is pure projecting.
Oh, that wasn't my claim. I'm not sure what that means. Rei isn't Shinji.
>implying he has an argument
Welcome to the eva fanbase, where people pretend they have arguments because they want to see more of their waifu.
When evageeks comes to /a/ its the worst of times.
Rainman got a movie. A MOVIE. Not a 26 ep series.
And actually, the most fitting comparison would be My name is Sam. Ask Lincoln Osiris.
You can stand a 90 minutes movie of Sean Penn being retarded (and at least he does something), but you wouldn't stand 20minx26ep of that shit.
>Rain man is good, therefore Rei's show must be good
Nice try, completely missing the point though
>Welcome to the eva fanbase, where people pretend they have arguments because they want to see more of their waifu
Funny, coming from someone who keeps refusing arguments without even caring about giving his arguments.
Show me where that happens.
Dumb argument, as even rainman having a 26-episode series would be weird.
Think a full-fledged series. Evangelion isn't Evangelion without the fucking rest. It needs Shinji, gendo, Ritsuko, Misato, everyone.
It's not a OMG REI ALL THE TIME SPINOFF like you're trying to strawman it into, but Evangelion with Rei at the centre. Not only doable, it's highly promising.
If you want a full series about some autist whatever doing stuff, then watch Monk or something.
>Nice try, completely missing the point though
No point missed, the concept is proven.
Yo now you've gone from arguing 'no one would watch that' to 'no one would watch that for too long'. So I'll just say depending on the execution anything can work and anything can suck.
>Rei isn't normal by any stretch, and I'd offer her help or call child services as well
Exactly. Now, would you watch a full series in which the protagonist is borderline autistic and doesn't react to 50% of things that happen and needs child/intensive psychological care?
And remember, this isn't Chuunibyiou, this is Eva.
>that's not how it is
You know, it's kind of funny but also turning down how you seem to think my point is "Rei a shit", when I clearly stated I liked her and most importantly I loved her role in series, and when my point is that for her nature she can't have a show by herself unless Anno went full autism-pandering
am i a huge faggot if Sakura Nagashi makes me cry everytime?
Evageeks is such a big scary scapegoat, but at least it's not as retarded.
A movie that was good. Don't move the goalposts, if you say "it'd be boring", then it's just because you want to find it boring or something. It doesn't even exist.
But something like it.... yes. I wasn't bored. Were you? answer yes and you have shit taste
This is also really silly at this point, since you make arbitrary demands for the supposed new series to be "omg 26 episodes!", when it could just as well be 1cour or even an OVA.
If you want 26 episodes, that's doable too, but you'd need to focus on other characters as well. Shinji isn't in the spotlight all the time in NGE, there's all those other characteres you love and even your waifu.
No, you're just one for other reasons. That song's godly.
It was moot, since Rei doesn't have autism so a direct comparison doesn't work.
Regarding the person-thing? Yeah, you were even supplied by a definition straight outta the dictionary, and you refused to supply your own. So yes I'll take the liberty to say you're wrong, because you were.
>that's not how it is
>"Rei a shit", when I clearly stated I liked her and most importantly I loved her role in series
What you say about the character tells me you're lying.
You've also been proven wrong on multiple occasions, and you even neglect the idea of change. You don't need to do autism-pandering, which isn't anything but a buzzword anyway.
>Exactly. Now, would you watch a full series in which the protagonist is borderline autistic and doesn't react to 50% of things that happen and needs child/intensive psychological care?
With EVA's setting, it's why it'd work. Damn, I don't see how you're missing out on all of this. It's already proven to work in NGE, now you just shift the focus and deliver something new based off that.
>depending on the execution anything can work and anything can suck.
>no one would watch that for too long
Funny, because that's exactly the fucking point.
>Think a full-fledged series
>you'd need to focus on other characters as well
It happened already. It's called Neon Genesis Evangelion.
That's why we don't need anything else.
This is just as useful as going around saying "It would be amazing if the whole thing was from X's point of view", X being one of the other main characters.
I'd watch it, but you seem to have a different image of it than what I have in mind. Chuuni-or whatever has nothing to do with any of this. This is Evangelion, and what does Evangelion have?
Drama, Robots, Dark plots, psychological breakdowns, it's got everything that works. Apply that to the show, and bam - you've got a hit.
How would drama with Rei be? We see how she gets more feely in the anime, what if she gets feely and then loses it, without dying? Sadness, depression, regression, everything but with Rei's perspective. What about death, living, and the value of it? Does Rei see it? She can say things that people normally wouldn't.
Yes, really. You're just trying to deny the possibility that a Rei focused show could work under any circumstance.
>This is just as useful as going around saying "It would be amazing if the whole thing was from X's point of view", X being one of the other main characters.
That is something that's being said. Why would you throw away Evangelion's setting?
Why would you want to relive the same shit again? We've already seen it all and from different points of view as every character's perspective is considered in Evangelion.
Claiming Rei in particular could have been the MC is just asking for more screen time for your waifu, face it.
You're not starting to catch up, perhaps. A full-fledged series, nothing less is worth 26 full episodes that you want so dearly.
We have NGE from Shinji's PoV, and it was good. NGE from Rei's PoV, also sounds very interesting, but potentially for a different crowd since it'd have a lot less comedy.
You're making a ton of false dilemmas and strawman to support your dislike for Rei and deny that it could work. Why would Rei be the only component of the show? No Shinji, no Gendo, no Ritsuko or even any EVA's? Rei wouldn't be Rei as we know her without all those things. Perhaps there could be more things as well that affect her.
Just passing through.
>Rei wouldn't be Rei as we know her without all those things.
This anon gets it.
Clavicles, my favorite part of the human body.
>Why would you want to relive the same shit again?
It wouldn't be the same shit. That's why it's interesting.
New conclusions, new developments, perhaps even a changed backdrop or setting? Maybe she never meets Shinji, not until the end, maybe she has confrontations for Asuka the entire show as two opposing forces?
It's not that Rei could have been MC of Evangelion either, it's claiming that if you made a new show with Rei as MC, you'd have a lot of potential.
Think The Modern Prometheus mixed with 1984, swooshed around in the Holy Bible and pop culture.
You're 50 posts behind.
There is no "from Rei's PoV", as NGE considers everyone's PoV, the difference being the amount of time given to each character.
Assumed that a full spin off is unthinkable, you're basically just asking for more Rei in NGE.
I think she did magnificently already and I don't think I'm in a position to criticize Anno's choice
That's one of my favorite sequences ever, surprised I never got a gif of it, and love the file name.
So would your hypothetical Rei-anime be allowed to contain Gendo? He's another person, after all. That's probably breach your 'Rei-anime' criteria. What about Shinji or Asuka? Rei has interactions with them in Eva that could be more fleshed out in a whole series. Are they allowed???
It could be a show about the earlier years, and the development of the Eva project, on trips with Gendo to the European branch she gets acquainted with Asuka and develop a mutual distate for each other since then.
>out of character fanwanking
>There is no "from Rei's PoV", as NGE considers everyone's PoV, the difference being the amount of time given to each character.
Which means everything isn't considered equally, and there's room for more. Secondly, this also neglects the idea of change, which is what a spinoff would do.
It's not just changing focus or giving more time to some, it's making a new series, same foundation, same character, but unfolding itself in a new way.
>Assumed that a full spin off is unthinkable, you're basically just asking for more Rei in NGE.
Not at all, I'm not even asking for a spinoff or a new series, just discussing the possibilities of one. If one were to be made, what would be the focus? That's discussion.
The other guy just doesn't want to hear it at all.
it still baffles me when people say the art was shit in those last two episodes
>So would your hypothetical Rei-anime be allowed to contain Gendo? He's another person, after all. That's probably breach your 'Rei-anime' criteria.
Jesus christ. That wouldn't breach the Rei-anime criteria. It can't be a one-girl show, and you won't find anywhere that's suggested either.
Stop bogging down the entire thread with your idiocy, please.
It's Rei + everyone else and perhaps even more.
of course is fanwank, we're talking about a non-existing show. and what is out of character?
It could, moreover it could even be about Rei I's life. Short and miserable, but what did she see, what did she know? There's a large blank there that can tie into Rei II, the same way Rei II ties into Rei III.
What's out of character about it anon? He didn't even specify anything out of character.
There's literally no other way Rei could be unfolded, as she was created, both by Gendo and Anno, for very specific purposes. Unless fanwanking or fanservice, which furtherly proves that all of this is just your desire to satisfact your own, personal lust for teh Rei
>there's room for more
And who are you to say there's more room for Rei? I could say I want more space for Asuka, or more space for Misato, or PenPen. It's absolutely pointless. This doesn't prove a show with more screentime for this or that character would be great, this just proves I'm a waifufag and I want more of my waifu on screen.
I'm happy with Anno's, choices, we could sit on a table on go on for the whole eternity with pointless "if x was increased by 1,5%, because I like it" discussions
New thread before this one dies.
>There's literally no other way Rei could be unfolded, as she was created, both by Gendo and Anno, for very specific purposes.
You could make the argument that Rei unfolded in a way neither Anno or Gendo could predict, and perhaps - even screwed them over.
But you're making a statement here, not an argument. Why couldn't it be different? It's not fanwanking since it's made by official hold. It's a spinoff.
>And who are you to say there's more room for Rei?
You know what, I didn't. The concept of there existing a spinoff does. But you know who does, though? Tsurumaki thinks there should have been more Rei. He was on the original team.
You have no argument here anon, face it. You can say you want more, but that's not what we're saying. We're not proving that it's going to be great. We're proving that it could be done.
You just don't like Rei man, your words don't come together.
There's literally no other way Rei could be unfolded, as she was created, both by Gendo and Anno, for very specific purposes.
And she got away from them both.
> I could say I want more space for Asuka, or more space for Misato, or PenPen
An Asuka focused show wouldn't work because she was ultimately inconsequential to the broad scheme of things, she only mattered in relation with Shinji. A Misato show could work too since her life weaves in and out of the whole plot, and that could be interesting.
ep1 - Before Zero
>Gendo and Yui interactions. A great deal of focus given to Yui's character and motivations, as well as what Gendo likes about her and how she interacts with him. Ends with the startup of the experiment.
ep2 - A Heart of Zero
>Covers the week in which Gendo goes into depression over the loss of Yui. We see him attempt to interact in a broken state, and finally decide to create Rei. The second half of the episode is getting the resources necessary for her creation.
ep3 - Daily Birth Total: Zero
>Opens to Rei I being created. We see other scientists' distaste at her creation. Gendo justifies it to others. We see Gendo as a dad, taking care of Rei, as well as how he juggles spending time with Rei and Shinji.
ep4 - Dividing Affection by Zero
>We see the key differences between Rei I and child!Shinji, as well as conflict between the two. After a confrontation with Shinji, Gendo sends him away on a train. We see Rei I's thoughts on Shinji as well as her own place in relation to them
ep5 - Two bodies, Zero Dead
>Rei I meets Dr. Akagi. We see more behind the scenes of Gendo's relationship with Akagi and how he describes it to Rei. Is what he said true, or is Rei I a manipulative cunt? Episode ends with Rei I getting strangled to death by Akagi.
ep6 - Zero Plus One
>We see Gendo's reaction to Rei being dead again, and his decision to place her into Eva00, and create Rei II. Shows Rei I's mindset at being placed into Unit00. Potential for Ritsuko involvement.
I like the episode names. Really good.
Take it to the next thread.
Only, Fuyutsuki needs to be involved more. He's actually a big reason for why Rei exists if you're to believe NGE.