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When you see it...
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lol Chinks and their RealPlayer
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ALL GLORY TO THE DIVX!
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Holy RM's, Batman.
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why doesn't everyone just use mkv?
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Those who pick RealPlayer aren't real people.
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>>10033627
Because of people with 8 year old computers.
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Because fansubbers make them 300mb each
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44? christ
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>>10033639
Its like a "mini .avi"
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The only DVD rips I found on Share for a certain episode were wmvs. Do you know how much that pisses me off?
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Who the fuck uses RM anymore?
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>>10033691
Chinamen
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>>10033691

see

>>10033604
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>>10033641
that's an excuse for avi, NOT rm, and only for new codecs (like h264)

>>10033646
If the mkv still uses divx then it isn't that much difference, so yes, file size should not really change.
But still, h264 file sizes should either be smaller or the same NOT larger... defeats the purpose of the h264 format really.
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I watched both seasons of Bomberman Jetterz in .rmvb a couple years back. But only because I couldn't find a torrent with enough leechers.
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>>10033720
I'm a chinaman and I use mkv or avi D:
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>>10033679
wmv isn't too bad, since it's basically a proprietary h264, but real is just horseshit.
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>>10033588

Oh wow, I can't believe my fellow brothers still use real player.
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>>10033769

You mean vc-1?
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>>10033719
Triad's Kaiji episodes are nearly 250 mb each

Now, I'm no formatting expert, but the 170 mb avis of other animu don't really look any worse compared to them.
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>>10033769

WMV9 is good
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Is file size really an issue?
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Takes longer to download

Takes up more space on the 20 gb partition on my five year old laptop
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why are you fags bashing .rmbv files? .rmbv is superior because they can compress really well. an 80 mb .rmbv file is the same quality as a 170 mb .avi file.
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>>10033871
only to people with 40gb harddrives
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>>10033787

are you kidding me? the 400x700 avis look like 1024x756 mkvs to you? wow.
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>>10033921

That and also those with shitty Australian internet that only allows you to download a total of 12gb a month before your speed gets 56k'd.
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>>10033871

for people that burn anime in DVD´s

I guess
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>>10033946
Australia must suck.
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>>10033921
Or, you know. 350.
Seriously. I'm out of space.
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>>10033964
pretty much the worst country on the planet.
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>>10033908
how could you possibly think that
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>>10033973

Delete your porn
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I generally avoid the upscale mkv's or the standard resolution ones greater than around 140 mb. Wasting space for so little gain. I'd rather get it 20 minutes quicker on the download.
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>>10033942
Meh, it's just animu. Not like there's much to be lost.
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Someone needs to bring back .viv.
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>>10034041

.viv what the fuck is this ??

when was done?
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>>10033588
RAGGGGE
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>>10034024

Quality
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>>10034007
Never.
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>>10034059
Back in my days
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Mkvs are really nice but Avi seems more flexible in terms of converting and avalibility.
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>>AVI
gb2/five years ago/
>>RM/RMVB
gb2/cannon fodder/
>>MKV
FUCK YEAH!
>>MP4
lol, mainstream
>>MPEG
People still use this?
>>FLV
Because watching animu on Jewtube makes you fucking hard core.
>>OGM
Like the Apple of file formats; shitty and used by elitist fags
>>WMV
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>>10033908
Chocolate milk came out of my nose. Oh, you!
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>>10033641
>Because of 8 year olds with computers

fixed
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>>AVI
gb2/five years ago/
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>>10034024
Some people appreciate visual fidelity. Those who do not are more likely to have a lower intellect.
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>>10034221
Or don't have a log stuck in their ass.

I'm just fine with seeing the picture and subtitles clearly. If I'm that worried about seeing the "art" I rather read the mango or go to an a fucking art museum instead.

Viva, .avi!
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>>10034221
Was that a jab at my intelligence, good sir?
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>>10034264
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>>10034041
>.viv

I remember downloading Evangelion for the first time in .viv. The quality wasn't bad (for the time) for the file size. However, I remember finding a player for it was a pain.
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OGM is superior.
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>>10034304

No, isn´t
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There are some series taht are only found in .rmvb format. Like Hale x Guu
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People complaining about disc space need to get themselves a DVD burner. Seriously, they're pretty affordable and DVD's are dirt cheap (unless you buy them at Staples or such, like a MORON).
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>>10034315
That's because it's available on DVD in the U.S. and no one gives a shit about re-encoding it in a non-Jurassic format.
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Well at least now I know not to move to Totalitastralia.
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>>10034318
When people burn DVD's do they save it as a file (Or like a disk) Or do they play it so it plays like a real DVD?
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>>10034264
Yeah, keep living life accepting only the bare minimum. That'll get you really far!
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>>10034468
It's only animu.

Why so serious?
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>>10034391
Files, otherwise you have to use shit DVD compression (mpg2 lol). If you have a DivX dvd player, it may play non mpg discs, but the compatibility isn't perfect.
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>>10034391
You can do either. Writing a data disc is much easier. Making a playable DVD requires additional software, and a little more work.
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>>10034489
watch it on youtube then.
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>>10034489
Because our actions are based on our principles, even something small like watching anime.
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>>10034557
a true man gives everything his all!
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>>10034489

Advances in technology are made by people demanding the highest quality stuff. If everyone was "ok" with the bad formats and low qualiy we'd still be in the 80s watching our anime on fucking VHS.
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>>10034264
You probably like 64kbit mp3 too, because you can still hear all instruments "clearly".
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>>10034503
There especially isn't much point in converting HD .mkv files to a playable DVD.

The only point I can see in making playable DVD's is if your computer isn't convenient for watching with multiple people (do to its location or lack of seating near it).
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Anyone not supporting mkv containers with h264 is a faggot, straight up.

If you can't see the diff between divx and h264 you're fucking blind.
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>>10034630

What is the difference? Please elaborate.
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i'll only touch an .avi if there are no seeds for the mkv, which is too often the case.
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People who still uses avi and rm are spitting on the very advancement of mankind and technology.
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>>10034644

basically, h264 has a better size/quality ratio.
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Since I only watch raws. I'm pretty much limited to avi 98% of the time. At least for tv releases.
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I use about the same mix of of rmvb and avi. typically avi for newer series, and rmvb for older larger series where the video is already subpar.

maybe it's because i remember watching tons of the old vhs fansubs, but the visual quality really doesn't bother me.
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>>10034672
Fuck right! AVI support is just legacy now.
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>>10034644

Lack of definition (blurry lines), artifacting in areas of vast color change like some bitch's fat forehead to her black hair. Blurryness in general. I can see the pixels.
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>>10034315
You clearly didn't look very hard. I have all 3 in decent quality avi, DLed them a few years ago now.
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>>10034630
FUCKING SIGNED.

I don't want to hear about old computers not being able to play h264, either. That's bullshit. My box is five years old (Athlon XP 2400+, 512MB RAM) and I have no problem playing even HD .mkv without lag. It DOES require the combination of MPC with CoreAVC to consistently play without lag during very resource-intensive parts (karaoke was something that consistently lagged a little before I got CoreAVC), but it works.
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>>10034524
LOL, no. Shit's too small.

I'm trying just watch animu, an activity I don't do often to be honest. I'm more a mangafag and only watch animu when it's an original production or scanlations are non-existent.

I don't need the bells and whistle shit because it's not a serious thing to me.
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Now I may be mistaken in this, but isn't everyone confusing the container format with the video codec? If I recall correctly, AVI containers can use h264 for video, just as MKV containers can.

I prefer the MKV container due to its open source nature, but I don't see anything wrong with h264 encoded AVIs.
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>>10033691 Who the fuck uses RM anymore?

People who aren't mindless retards, since RM is actually a very good codec for anime
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Yeah but the general public associates avi with divx and h264 with mkv.
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>>10034818
you are on an imageboard dedicated to anime
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>>10034911 dedicated to anime

Try again.
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"What video format would you prefer?"

So you can choose one, some of you faggots are saying you would prefer shitty quality formats when given the choice, because you dont really care about quality?

we baited some gaiafags in this thread, or just trolls.
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>>10034940 So you can choose one, some of you faggots are saying you would prefer shitty quality formats when given the choice, because you dont really care about quality?

I buy dvds for quality, for fansubs it's fucking irrelevant.
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This thread is just a bunch of trolls. It's common knowledge that mkv is the master race of video formats and anything else is inferior.
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>>10034954
Correct.
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>>10034954
Because every series you would want to keep gets licensed.
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My computer can handle MKV, my computer cannot handle high resolution or poorly encoded MKV so often I find myself painted into a corner with AVI.
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>>10034954

So on this poll what would you pick?
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>>10034954
>I buy dvds for quality, for fansubs it's fucking irrelevant.

Enjoy your R1 inferior to TV crap.
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>>10034954
you're still saying that if you could have the higher quality fansub you would still choose the lower quality one
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You guys are gonna hate me, but I choose AVI a lot because I keep several media folders in thumbnail mode, and I like have little images from the vids instead of icons.
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RM has the best quality
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>>10034954

DVD is inferior to HDTV.
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>>10035018
I don't care to get the highest quality fansub just one that I can see clearly without no problems. I'll just delete it after anyway. Unless, it's required of me to use a .mkv player, I'm not going to bother changing it.

Lazy, meh, you can call me that.
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I'm using an eight year old Thinkpad, and everything plays just fine. When will the .mkv revolution begin?

Except for shootans, but that's beside the point.
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>>10035055

that is not a feature of the avi format, nice try
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>>10034940 So you can choose one, some of you faggots are saying you would prefer shitty quality formats when given the choice, because you dont really care about quality?

The top four options in the OP list are all virtually identical quality wise. The only differences are very minor, and the ones that do have slightly lower quality come with other advantages, such as file size, portability and compatibility.

Nobody cares about the bottom four.
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>>10035055

didn't they make an mkv shell extension a while back?
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>>10035117

virtually identical? smoke more crack please, and read about the limitations of each format when compared to h.264
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>>10035117

RM is malware faggotry. I don't care if they make the best codec in the damn world, I'll never support fags like that again. Same with fucking quicktime, WHY YES, I DO WANT TO UPDATE ITUNES EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE IT, OH HEY THERE SYSTEM TRAY SHIT I DON'T NEED, HOW'S IT GOING!?
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>>10035134

its been done, but let idiots be idiots if they really want "THUMBNAILS LOLOLOL" over quality and softsubs.
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I use avis because I'm one of those faggots that watches my animu on an 8 year old computer.

Fuck you faggots, I'm not going to buy a new computer when all I do with this is email and watch anime.
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>>10035116
Wait.... what?
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>>10035148

No, I'm just going to judge by watching them rather than jerking off over technical specifications. I simply do not give a flying fuck.
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>>10035134
I know it's stupid but I it's just a itch that needs to be scratched
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>>10035176

Real Alternative and Quicktime Alternative, ever heard of them dumbass?

I play RM and Quicktime files though MPC, just like everything else.
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>>10035228

Yes, I have, I choose not to use them. Anything only available in those two formats is not worth my time.
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>>10035208

Then why would post in a thread about one's preferred format, when you are apparently too much of a simpleton to have developed an opinion?
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>>10035117

They are not the same quality wise at all.
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>>10035216
I think you have problems.
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>>10035177

Oh no, NO SOFTSUBS!!!

What a tragedy, considering 99% of the only reason softsubs are relevant are for taking no-sub screencaps (who gives a fuck) and for making alterations to subtitles (which almost nobody will ever do)
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>>10035216
wat
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>>10035264
Fuck me. What's that .mp4? Alright I'll be lurking on how to evolve my thumbnail fetish
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>>10035216
I can do that to.
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>>10035274
Just because I'm not likely to do something doesn't mean I don't want the ability to do it should the occasion arise where I want to.
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>>10035274
And font/position.
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CCCP allows one to install mkv extensions into the windows shell, its something you have to enable during the installation.
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>>10035274

Learn something about having to re-encode and how subs fuck up compression you stupid faggot.
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gb2/g/
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>>10035244

Because I judge on things that are actually relevant, such as how something looks rather than technical bullshit.

Oh no, AVI has issues with the h264 codec because of it's limited B-Frame support and does not support Variable Frame Rate or embedded soft subtitles, well clearly I can't watch something in an AVI file!
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>>10035011

Same. I can watch any avi but I run into trouble with some mkvs.

I have to fucking stream (or re-encode which takes forever) Kaiji because of it.
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>>10035349

I'm a viewer, not an encoder. Don't care.
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>>10035387

You're a viewer that doesn't care that his shit looks worse because he likes 5 year old shit formats that run on his Pentium II.
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you low quality fuckers ruin it for everyone.
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The people who still use avi/rm/etc. are the kind of people who do not belong on the internet. They are the retards who were ushered in during the wave of "oh hay, it's not hard to get on the nets now, let's go be gay".

They frequent animesuki, gamefaqs and numerous other boards in which other retards can congregate and act like children. They are the myspace owners, the youtube watchers, the mouth breathing facebook shit eaters who belong at the local hot topic talking about how homework is so unfair or that life is ever so difficult.

Begone filth, your kind is not wanted.
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The only reason I download AVI is because I'm too lazy to transcode mkvs for my Cowon A3 (still doesn't support h.264 or ass subs)
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>>10035371

It doesn't mean the format is bad, it means you're a retard. Educate yourself instead of complaining you fucking pussy.
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Who gives a shit? None of you faggots are paying for any of this anyway, just download it in whatever format they give it to you in and stop fucking bitching.
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All this is nice and well, but people don't realize the difference between AVIs and MKVs because the quality difference is minor, and more importantly, for a variety of reasons, most sub groups' MKV releases are the same filesize as or larger than the equivalent AVI, and people don't usually download both to compare - they just see a 180MB AVI and a 230MB MKV, decide the AVI's good enough and any quality increases will be fairly minor, and leave it at that. Of course, now that HD anime is a big thing, the quality difference IS quite noticable...but the average filesizes were the same two years ago.

Of course, it doesn't help that some groups just don't fucking know how to encode. I've seen groups do as badly as 350MB for one HD anime episode, using h264.
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>>10035505

No, that's not true.

You have no idea how much time and effort I've put into finding a solution. I've tried a multitude of players, I've tried encoding, I've tried fiddling with all the settings. And don't tell me to go buy a new computer - it's not THAT old.

Sometimes shit just doesn't work and spending MORE hours trying to fix the problem is just not worth it. So I'll keep downloading my avis and I don't need your permission thank you very much.
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Jesus Fucking Christ.

I hate these kinds of discussions because NOBODY HAS A FUCKING CLUE about the matter at hand.

Fail 1 - Almost everybody is confusing container formats with codecs.

Fail 2 - All of the commonly used container formats suck. Just from the top of my head:

AVI: Huge overhead, no native support for decoding orders different from presentation orders, VFR has to be done in a hacky way (null frames).

RMVB: Don't get me started on this one. Instant disqualification.

MKV: Great featureset and tools, extremely crappy tech design. V2 fixed some of the issues and is widely supported on players, but nobody uses it when muxing. By default, it quantizes time to milliseconds which pisses me off but probably isn't a really big issue in practice for a final (i.e. non-editing) format. This again is just a byproduct of its extremely retarded design.

MP4: Mostly OK design, bad codec support (but it does the important ones), you need to do all the interesting stuff with custom non-standard tracks/atoms/whatever, but could work with some effort. Very commercially supported which is a rather big plus.
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>>10034954
>"buy"

not this shit again
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>>10035530
oh god, not this shit again.
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>>10035566 RMVB: Don't get me started on this one. Instant disqualification.

Instantly disqualifies your post as being worthwhile.
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>>10035611

So you can play rmvb/rm on any player with the real alternative codec, encoding that shit remains a proprietary venture owned by one of the shittiest companies on the planet.
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>>10035540

Exactly. Even raws are just as bad.

When I just want to catch an episode raw before the subs come out that fuck-huge 400mb+ raw really is a great choice! All I have do do is wait a couple of hours and the Chinese will have already subbed it and I can download something a quarter of the size.
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>>10035637

Oh no, PROPRIETRY!!!!

Go jerk off over open source software and post on Slashdot you fucking faggot.
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>>10035654

So when real networks decides to change their encoding to include DRM features and other such shit it will be ok with you?

Become an hero if you dont see the benefits of keeping the container/codec of choice an open once that can be played as well as encoded without potential overhead costs.
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>>10035654

If only you could spell proprietary...
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As for video codecs, that's Fail 3 too.

With the current implementations, the relative quality scale is something like:

1.0 MPEG2
1.5 MPEG4ASP(DivX/XviD...), VC-1(WMV9)
2.0 MPEG4AVC(x264...)

The decoding performance for the fastest decoders is like:

1.0 MPEG4AVC, VC-1(WMV9)
2.5 MPEG4ASP(DivX/XviD...)
3.0 MPEG2

There's a tradeoff to be made between MPEG4ASP and MPEG4AVC. VC-1 is just fucking useless (and I'm not even considering encoding speed), unless somebody writes a fast decoder for it, which in theory could put it at about a relative speed of 2.0 in the above scale.
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>>10035459
I seriously don't know what to say to this shit here. Oh wow.

Plus, I don't visit those places and shit. Those kids would be just satisfied by YouTube and that's it.
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>>10035566

This man speaks the truth
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>>10035760

I dont think you understand the concept of an anonymous image board, gtfo.
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AVI(container)
RM/RMVB(container)
MKV(container)
MPG(container or codec?)
FLV(container)
OGM(container)
WMV(acceptable)

I use MP4 and MKV when I need to mux VobSub.
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>>10035760

You'd probably find them riveting. I suggest you give it them a try.
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>>10035940

MPG and WMV are "containers", much in the sense they aren't really anything.

MPEG defines two containers (transport streams and program streams), and a multitude of video and audio codecs. You're probably talking about program streams with "MPEG-1" video and "MP2" audio, and therefore you're defining both container and codecs.

Ditto for WMV. That's ASF for the container, WMV3/9 for the video, and WMA (any version) for the audio.
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>>10035998
I know about them and their faggotry. No thanks.
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I like Mkvs
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>>10033946
Yeah that 12GB limit sucks. I hate living in a country that's about 10 years behind everyone else.



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