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Hello, my name is Ronoue Genji. I am going to take the product of incest rape child of my master, and raise him as a girl with the intention of eventually delivering him back to his rapist father. I will also employ him as a child servant in a job that is universally agreed to be difficult even for young adults by the woman who tried to murder him as a baby. I'll lie to him his entire life and let him go friendless and depending on shit like witch fantasies to cope with his terrible life, but it will all be worth it when my master meets him again, feels better about raping his own daughter, and gets a peaceful death.

Then I guess I'll tell this child they're actually a disfigured man and the product of rape and give him the switch to a giant bomb and a bunch of guns. What could go wrong?
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>>100329139
Best Furniture.
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>>100329937
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>>100330045
Well, that's romantic.
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>>100329633
One of my favorite quotes from Umineko is from Episode 5.
All the characters are commenting on Erika's detective skills or something. And out of the blue Kannon just adds, "I didn't get it because I'm furniture." And it's his only spoken line the entire Episode.
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Every thread until we reach the Golden Land.
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>>100330623
Why is she so perfect?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s16sfCFMmP79
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>>100329139
It all worked out in the end so it's ok. Genji did nothing wrong.
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>>100329937
i want to fuck rosa
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>>100331157
>there were no bad people
>yeah, just idiots
My sides have gone to the golden land
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>>100331279
Would you bear the burden of Maria for it?
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>>100331405
Hell the fuck yeah. I love that retarded little shit.
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>>100331405
Maria is a miracle of the universe. She'd probably level out if Rosa actually got a husbando to cure her Christmascakeitis so she could actually be a responsible parent.
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>>100332590
You both pass the test.
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>>100329139
Wait, this motherfucker has the same name than the demon butler?
Wait. What the fuck, does that mean that he is actually impersonating Ronove? Can someone please explain that to me. I also don't understand how Ronove can be alive at the end of Episode 8 if Genji died on Rokkenjima. Or is this a red herring?
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I'm not going to pretend that grandfather-father didn't fuck me.
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>>100332796
He IS Ronove. Or at least the magical version that Yasu created in his family fictions. Like how Virgilia is that old bitch Kumasawa.
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>>100333049
Who the flying fuck is Yasu?
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>>100330243
Kanon is a fucking idiot, even after he dies.
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>>100333136
Uhh.... you haven't read up to episode 7 I take it?
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>>100333212
God DAMN IT Kanon you stupid fucker. No wonder you're just furniture.
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>>100333272
I watched the anime. Did it leave out some fillers or something?
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>>100333136
Beatrice/Lion/Shannon/Kanon/Claire/the man from 19 years ago/whatever
He's the culprit
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>>100333335
It's like poorly adapted 4 novels out of 8
Also
>umineko
>anime
I fucking wish
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>>100333335
The anime only cover episodes 1-4. It doesn't even touch episodes 5-8.

You've got some reading to do.
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>>100333335
Deen cut out all the good shit out of episode 4. It doesn't exist in my book.

And the story doesn't end there. Read the VN. It's a hell of a lot better.

You're also missing out on some awesome tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl4PNFubvQ
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>>100329139

Havent read the vn in a long time, but whats his motive in being so fucking loyal to Kinzo?

WHY?
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>>100333353
I'm utterly confused
>>100333420
>>100333459
What? I thought the games ended with Beatrices death.
Anyway, I liked the anime. I wish, however, they explained who the culprits of each game was.
I mean, some better explanation than >>100333353
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>>100333548
He's gay for Kinzo
>>100329139
>but it will all be worth it when my master meets him again, feels better about raping his own daughter, and gets a peaceful death.
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>>100333597
Read the OP. It's pretty much the summary of umineko
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>>100333272
A lot of things in ep 7 don't make sense if you reread the episodes.
There one part where Will says that there was a gender issue/question that existed since the beginning and there really wasn't.

That shit came out of nowhere in ep 6.
Yeah there was nods that Shannon had worked for 10 years but there was never any gender mention the whole ep 1-4, so I have fuck all idea what to think of ep 7 anymore.

There's also a few things mystery wise that don't make sense, like the connected closed room in ep 3 and Eva + Hideyoshi being dead in ep 1.

In ep 3, the family find everyone dead seperated by closed rooms. Each liked to another. The first one they find is Shannon and the last one they find is Kanon. And the family all moved together.
Beatrice says in red that there was no autolock either.
And each key follows a loop to the next.
So Shanon > Room A > Room B > Room C > Room D > Kanon > Shannon.

Now, the obvious solution, like Battler said, was that someone simply placed the key in Kanon's body and faked a looped chain.
But how the fuck did Kanon get in the room if Room D was locked with the key being in Room C and etc. It's impossible for Shannon to be found first and get into a room that is locked. A reverse closed room??

And in ep 1, Eva and Hideyoshi's room are locked. GENJI checks the door and opens it with his key, he's the one who finds the chain.
He and Kanon then go to get something to cut it and find the magic circle.

In the interview, Ryukishi says that Kanon faked it but it makes no fucking sense since he went to get something to cut it open and the people who are accomplices are fucking dead in the closed room. And the explanation being that it was all fake? What bullshit.

There's a lot of inconsistencies that Yasu cannot account for now that I'm rereading it.
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>>100333597
>What? I thought the games ended with Beatrices death.

Jokes on you. First of all she isn't exactly dead at the end of the anime/EP4, Battora didn't actually solve the game and finish her off, and secondly the game can continue regardless of whether she participates or not. The SUFFERING has only just begun.
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>>100333772
Assuming this is true, it sounds interesting. Do you think that there will be a new anime covering this material?
>>100333517
I'm not sure if I want to play a virtual novel.
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>>100333799
>There one part where Will says that there was a gender issue/question that existed since the beginning and there really wasn't.
There was. Reread ep. 1-2. And even 3
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>>100333891
My god, I just love Lambda, so cute.
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>>100333799
>And the explanation being that it was all fake? What bullshit.

It's not bullshit when you take into account that Battler is an "unreliable narrator", so basically Ryukishi at any time could go "it was fake, Battler got it wrong, Battler lied, etc" and it would all be canon.
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>>100333895
Umineko anime was shit and sold accordingly.
Read manga
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>>100333895
>I'm not sure if I want to play a virtual novel.
Then just read the manga. It's just as good as the visual novel and it makes a lot of stuff obvious too.
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>>100334132
>>100334231
Thank you, guys, I'll read the manga.
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>>100333799
There's also the event where Beatrice doesn't follow up on her promise and Rosa acts fucking suspicious in ep 3 when Eva finds the gold.

Another part that doesn't make any sense is that Beatrice promises that if anyone finds the gold, the murders will stop.
/jp/ laughed at me but the VNs says it clearly in ep 2.
If there is no risk, there is no magic.
Beatrice keeps her promises.

And the bullshit of ''lel, how can one person keep an eye on the whole family'' is retarded considering that the entire family went into the guest house and bunkered there. If the entire family stays there, wouldn't it be easy to find Eva leaving the house and finding the chapel? Not to mention that Eva and Rosa both spend a long period outside before any of the murders in the second twilight started.

If you solve the epitaph, the murders stop.
But in ep 3, the murders don't stop.
Someone else keeps killing.

And Eva could not have been able to kill everyone since then you fall under the redweb of truth.
Eva could not have killed Doctor Nanjo since Battler was with her.
If Yasu stopped murdering everyone and it is impossible for Eva to kill Nanjo, there is a hole that cannot be answered.

The murders in ep 3 are impossible by Yasu is Beatrice keeps her word.
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>>100333895
>I'm not sure if I want to play a virtual novel.

Neither did I. At least give it a try. I'm glad I read them before touching the anime.
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>>100334295
t's still ongoing though
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>>100334415
Beatrice keeps her word. Lion/Yasu didn't promise anything to begin with
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>>100334415
You gotta love those nods.

I mean ''every human'', she means the reader.

>>100334513
>meta beatrice says it in red
>doesn't follow her own rules for magic
>no promises

I have a cap for that, give a sec.
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>>100334513
I like to imagine that Yasu pulled some Vince McMahon tier bullshit where he snatches off the dress and goes, "It was me, fuckers! It was me all along!"
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>>100334640
If Yasu takes over then Beatrice's rules and promises no longer matter. Just because they are wearing the dress doesn't mean that the person at the moment is Beatrice.
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>>100334513
There we go.

Meta Beatrice is the compilation of all Beatrice, including the culprit.

She fucking says so herself that she needs to follow rules because it give her magic.

You can't get out of that, she says it herself, in red.

Yasu could not have done ep 3 in any possible way.
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>>100334901
Just noticed that the only part in red is that she will keep her promise. Which promise? The promise to stop killing. The promise made years ago? The promise not to eat dog food? Cause she could pretty much do anything and go, "Well I was talking about keeping a different promise."
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>>100334811
Are you even listening to yourself?

The piece Yasu > Meta Beatrice?

Are you fucking high or retarded?
If Yasu does not follow her own fucking rules, she does not even play fair.

Did you forget about the whole ''Beatrice gives chances to get caught and doesn't go for the automatic win'' which was why Lambda bitched at her?
If Yasu doesn't follow rules, the whole thing breaks down because nothing matters.

She says it in red, she keeps her promise.
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>>100334901
That was Beatrice who said that. Who was on the phone in ep.5? Remember the red Battler gave to Erika in manga? The caller was the culprit in ep3 - Yasu
Don't start cherry picking or the next time you'll say that Battler can't be alive since there is a red confirming his death
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>>100335019
>ignoring the white text
Not even going to bother.

She keeps her promise.
Get the fuck over it and accept it motherfucker.

>in order to use magic, there are some rules that must be followed
>because I am a witch, I cannot neglect those

And what does she do according to you?
Right, neglect them.

You're fucking retarded and can't read for shit.
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>>100335024
You're assuming here that Yasu and Beatrice are the same and that they have to play by the same rules.
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>>100335122
What the fucking fuck are you talking about?
I'm not even talking about ep 5 or ep 8, I'm talking about solving the fucking epitaph you fucking goat.
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>>100335123
>She keeps her promise.
>Get the fuck over it and accept it motherfucker.

You seem awfully mad about this. Is opposing opinions some kind of trigger for you?
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>>100335157
YES THEY DO MOTHERFUCKER.

Bernkastel even says so in ep 2 ????? that Meta Beatrice is every single beatrice.

I've just shown proof that she fucking follows the rules and you have nothing to show that she doesn't other than it doesn't fit your theory because it makes it fucking impossible.

BEATRICE CANNOT BREAK HER OWN RULES.
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>>100335247
Shut it, Rosatrice scum. Know your place
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Speaking of rules.
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>>100335247
Yes, Beatrice cannot break her own rules, Yasu on the other hand can do whatever the fuck he wants when he starts to lose his shit and shrugs off the persona/role of Beatrice.

Red truth is a shit that can be manipulated. Why have you not realized this by now?
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>>100335387
It starts... lets just talk about how much we want to fuck girlLion
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>>100335599
>we want to fuck girlLion
>girlLion
>girl


Who the fuck wants that?
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>>100335378
Can't accept point blank facts motherfucker or you just going to go retarded and claim that Yasu both follows and doesn't follow her rules.

Despite you faggots always saying that Rosatrice doesn't follow the theme of the story, Yasu doesn't follow her own rules and you guys are fine with it because it's the easy explanation.

How did X happen? A **witch** used her magic (money and threats) to control Y to do her bidding.

Ep 3 chain room is impossible.
Murders in ep 3 are impossible by either Eva or Yasu.

>>100335536
>Beatrice cannot break her rules but Beatrice can break her rules
I love your logic.

It's like rules concerning magic don't matter.
Tell me, how does Yasu want to be caught if she doesn't follow rules?
If she's does whatever the fuck she wants, why does she want to be caught?

You're talking out of your ass and have nothing for it.
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>>100335667
>Beatrice cannot break her own rules, but Yasu can break Beatrice's rules

Here, fixed that for you since you seem to be having trouble wrapping your mind around this concept.
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>>100335660
Unlike some people here I'm not a homo
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>>100335758
>Beatrice cannot break her own rules, but Beatrice's rules don't apply to Yasu in the first place.
Not him but fixed that for you.
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>>100335536
You just have to wonder if Ryukishi wasn't right in calling everyone goats.

Rosatrice makes no fucking sense in ep7, but Yasu makes fuck all sense either if you bring in the mystery element when a lot contradicts its own rules.

>>100335758
You have nothing to prove that Yasu can break Beatrice's rules though.
You also can't seem to fucking understand that Yasu IS Beatrice in both fucking ways.

Also explain how Yasu could lie dead in Room A and then get into room F without having the key to room E in ep 3 for the loop chained closed room. >>100334415

Yasu ''materialized'' using magic.
Prove me otherwise motherfucker.

You know you have no case.
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>>100335784
>wants to fuck a trap
>isn't homo

Calling Lion a girl isn't going to change the fact that he has a dick, better turn back while you still have a chance.
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>>100335855
And why the fuck not?

Beatrice is the culprit.

Just because you can't find the solution and find that the only way to fit your solution is to break the rules doesn't imply that the rules were ever broken, only maybe that your theory on how the events took place were wrong.

I can't understand how you'd even suggest that Beatrice doesn't follow her rules when she constantly bitches at Battler that he didn't keep his promise yet she herself doesn't keep it.
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>>100335880
>Yasu IS Beatrice in both fucking ways.
He isn't.
>Also explain how Yasu could lie dead in Room A and then get into room F without having the key to room E in ep 3 for the loop chained closed room.
He has the key.
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>>100336008
You quoted the wrong person, I'm on your side (if you say that Beatrice follows her rules).
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>>100336020
>He has the key.
Wow, shows how fucking retarded you are.

There were only 6 keys.
The family moved together, went to room E, found the key to room F (where Kanon is) and found Kanon.

Beatrice says in red that there was no autolock nor any other keys.
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>>100335880
>You just have to wonder if Ryukishi wasn't right in calling everyone goats.

Please explain this goat shit? Is this a buzzword for "anyone that disagrees with me"? Do you even know what Ryukishi meant when he called people goats.
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>>100336020
Funny how Shkannontrice people are. They say Yasu is Beatrice completely in everyway when it benefits them, then when there is an inconsistency they turn tail and make some shit up.
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>>100336125
>There were only 6 keys.
>The family moved together, went to room E, found the key to room F (where Kanon is) and found Kanon.
And where is the problem? If you aren't even able to pinpoint the exact flaw in this case, you have nothing to say.
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>>100336097
Oh, shit, sorry, I don't know who's who anymore.

I seriously don't understand how anyone can suggest that Beatrice doesn't follow any rules when magic is inherently dependent on following a set of rules.

By the end of the tea party 4, it's damn clear that Beatrice -> culprit of the murders and whatever she says is also the mind of the culprit.

>>100336135
Apparently people who can't think for shit and don't understand anything.
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>>100336193
Protip: Shkannontrice is the theory that Yasu plays the role of each of these people. Try harder next time, bubb.
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>>100336218
I already explained it.

Look in the Shkannon theory, Yasu is Shannon.

The narration mentions that Shannon was found first.
So Shannon -> Room A
And it's mentioned that they found Kanon's body last, connection his key to Shannon's room
So Kanon ->Room F
The loop goes Room A -> B-> C -> D -> E ->F ->A

And there are only 6 keys
Key A is in room F, key F is in room E, key D is in room D, etc.

Now, if Shannon was found first, and there is only one key, it being in room F, it was closed since there was only one key which was in room E.

So how can Shannon be found and get from room A to room F if the key was in room E.
And again, there is no 2nd key nor any autolock since Beatrice confirmed it in red.

If the Shkannon theory is right, Shannon could not be able to get into room F.

That's my problem.
It's completely impossible without the fucking retarded goat opinion of huurrrr there's another key.

Now try and talk your way out of a reversed closed room.
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>>100335921
Lion is a girl for me, m8. I believe Ryukishi left me this choice
But canon Lion is a boy of course
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>>100336517
"Illusions to Illusions. In a closed room chain the beginning and end overlap."

Don't feel bad anon, not everyone can solve mysteries like Will Wright, Ace Inquisitor.
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>>100336193
>They say Yasu is Beatrice completely in everyway

Who the fuck says that? The imaginary people that live in your head?
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>>100336517
R: The keyword is “Among the 6 locked rooms, there is only 1 on the first floor.”. If you give it some common sense, at that point there was no hypothesis made about the locked room of the chapel. No one came close of the chapel, it was just thought of as locked. If you exclude the chapel, there is 1 locked room on the first floor, then 2 rooms on the second floor, 1 on the third floor and the one in the downstairs boiler room. And if those were locked from the inside, and there was no key to open them, then…

K: Then it’s natural to enter through the first floor window.

R: And if you look at it like this is all scatters. In this chain of 6 locked rooms where each locked room can be broken that way, there was a big hint which room was entered first, at least I think so. For me it’s actually quite embarrassing that I have to answer this right now *laugh*.
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>>100336833
Battler already solved it in ep 4 Tea party.

Will's answer only solved how the illusion was done, which works with Rosatrice since everyone is fucking dead.

But if Shkannon is true, Shannon went into a room that was already closed.

The answer being that A->B->C->D->E->F (place the key in Kanon's body)

HOWEVER, Shannon cannot go into room F if the key to room F is in Room E.

The end cannot overlap if the loop is interupted before the end.

Do you understand or are you too retarded to do so?
Shannon could not have faked her death and done in the final room.
Quoting Will, even though I already know the answer to how it was done, does not prove anything, only shows that you're fucking retarded.
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>>100336535
>I believe Ryukishi left me this choice

That reminds me that Ryukishi wrote a TIPs in which Will and Lion gets NTR'ed by Hideyoshi.
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>>100337022
>But if Shkannon is true

It is true. Does r07 need to draw a big fucking sign stating that it's true? Talk about being a goat.
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>>100337022
I give you an 8/10 for putting so much effort into your trolling, rosatricefag.
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>>100329139
I will never fucking understand this plot
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>>100337256
Nice job now answering how it's fucking impossible.
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>>100337187
Lion was a slutty broad there
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>>100337284
1/10 for not answering.

You know I'm right.
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>>100337302
The other anon already posted the interview in which the answer is given you idiot.
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>>100329139
I don't understand.
How are we supposed to sympathize with this yasu character?
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incest rape
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>>100337450
What answer?

Beatrice mentions how the windows were closed and locked in red.
Ryukishi is fucking with us.
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>>100337454
Shit life, man. It wasn't his fault. Blame Natsuhi, Kinzo, Genji and his genius masterplan
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Of course, there was no conceivable way Krauss could defeat the demon butler.
He was a mere human; his power level a mere fraction of the goat's.

However, Virgilia made one mistake: capacity does not reflect on how much power can be channeled by the user.
Think of it as a faucet. Even if the goat can hold 1000 units of power,
the faucet will only allow 5 units of power to be let out at once,
whereas Krauss can use up all 6 of his units of power at once. So, Krauss does stand a chance.

No, that's not quite right.

Krauss has an overwhelming advantage; one borne by a man who stood time and time again in the face of immeasurable odds.
His back represented the sheer determination of a David going against a Goliath,
almost as if he were asking Kanon, 'Can you keep up with me?'

If one thinks about it carefully, it was impossible for Krauss to lose in the first place;
for Krauss has NO concept of losing.
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>>100337665
Whatever it is, duct tape is probably a good substitute.
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>>100338065
Is there anything duct tape can't do?
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>>100338099
Bring Battler's family back to life
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If people = personalities then how do you account for shannon/kanon/beatrice/yasu? They're all separate "people" and woulg go over the limit of the amount of "people" in the island.
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>>100338133
That's silly, duct take can patch wounds
I'm sure it can do it.

Seriously, that's a hot fucking burn.
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If people = personalities then how do you account for shannon/kanon/beatrice/yasu? They're all separate "people" and would go over the limit of the amount of "people" in the island.
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>>100338133
I'm sure he's happy having intercourse with Beato in the afterlife.
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>>100338232
Possibly translation errors of WH.
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>>100338232
Anyone? Is there an answer or is shkanon inherently flawed?
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>>100337749
Obviously, Kanon closed the window from inside.
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>>100338795
Lemmy check if Kanon's body was found in the 1st level room.
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>>100338212
This gets me every time, did she seriously say that?
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>>100337454
By reading EP7 and realizing that Yasu had a hard life.
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>>100339323
BAM.
Checkmate.

Kanon's corpse was found in the chapel, not the first level room.

>>100337009
It's impossible for Shannon to enter the chapel.
Ryukishi confirmed for master troll.

Ryukishi was talking about how leaving a corpse in the first level parlor (where Shannon was found) was made so that the closed chained room was to be open from the outside, so that the family could break in the first window.

Yasu could not have played dead in the parlor and gone into the Chapel when there is only 5 keys, as said in red.
It's also mentioned how the Chapel has no windows that can be entered in ep 2.

Checkmate Shkannon.
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>>100338232
Red truth once again being manipulated

or

It's some kind of hint that someone on the island wasn't really on the island and we're all being rused.
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>>100339994
>as said in red.

>relying on red
>believing anything said in red

You'd think the whole "Battler is dead" thing would have showed people that you can't take the red truth as absolute proof.
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>>100337187
>That reminds me that Ryukishi wrote a TIPs in which Will and Lion gets NTR'ed by Hideyoshi.

Wat? Got a link?
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>>100340179
This mystery is meant to be solved. The red is the keys in which you use to solve these mysteries. But then again,
>Shkanontrice
>Shows legit counter evidence
>NO NO RED ISNT ALL TRUE

Holy shit that is pathetic.
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>>100339994
Shannon was found first, then she followed the other people who discovered the victims one after another. After the fifth victim has been found, Shannon changed to Kanon, took the key for the chapel, entered it through the door, closed the door from inside, and that's the whole story.
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>>100339815
No, she doesn't but it's still hilarious as fuck.

>>100339994
And just before some goat bitches, there are only 5 keys, said in red.

So how was Yasu able to enter the parlor without any keys?
Did she use maaaaaaggiiiicccc???
Come on tell me, tell me?

Did she use her magic gold to get in?

>>100340179
Bahahahahahaha, do I smell the sound of goats crying?
Can't answer a question so you're bitching at how you can't know anything??

You truly are a goat.
Ryukishi's answer is shit in the interview, your answer is to only to say that you can't possibly know anything.
Hahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaah

I'm dying. Hahaha.
>the red truth cannot be trusted
Ahhhh hahahahaha.
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>>100340296
The family moved together, and kept all the keys.
Shannon had no keys to enter the parlor.

The issue is that all the rooms were locked, so how could Shannon enter the Chapel if it was locked?
And Beatrice says there is no autolock in red.

No extra key and no autolock = impossible.
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>>100340488
To enter the Chapel*
I need sleep.
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>>100340321
Why can't the conclusion simply be that Umineko's shit and Ryukishi's a hack writer?
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>>100340790
Because it's a goat answer.
No one died, Ryukishi fucked up, there were no deaths, it was all magic, etc.

The whole thing in Umineko is anti-fantasy vs anti-mystery.
Yasu and Shkannon is anti-mystery while Rosatrice is anti-fantasy.

The issue was always that you couldn't prove one side over the other.
Well there's the proof.
A clear fucking separation between Kanon and Shannon.

It's a perfect logic error.
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>>100340790
What if Ryukishi is deceiving us on purpose? Umineko is all about the author deceiving the readers.
If shkanon is false then what other theories are viable?
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>>100340321
More red for the chapel

>Only one key to the chapel exists
>It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key
>When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit
>No device exists which can lock them without a key, such as an auto-lock.
The chapel key was found next to Kinzo's body which was in a room that was locked.

Truly a checkmate.
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>>100340216
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Angel_of_17_years

Ryukishi got bored and decided to write his own yaoi fanfic.
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>>100341562
He even made a card game full of maids.

But not any maids, trap maids.
It's like there wasn't a fucking market for trap maids or something.
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>>100341034
Or maybe 07 intended for there to be room for the two interpretations.
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>>100340321
>Hahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaah

Please go back to tumblr where it's acceptable to type like a roleplaying retard.

Ryukishi put the answers out there. It's not our fault that you're too fucking retarded to accept it because it doesn't fit into whatever bullshit you've convinced yourself is a truth. Have fun bleating out "goat" to every person that disagrees you like you have a clue about what the term goat really means.
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>>100341382
>It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key
You can lock the door of the chapel with the master key (which Kanon has).
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>>100341736
That's exactly what he wanted in my opinion.

See, Rosatricefag claim that Rosa is the culprit but that ep 6-7 were mean to do a complete 180 and trick the audience into accepting whatever is presented to them as an answer, no matter how convoluted. And Yasu's backstory was truly tragic and it was hinted everywhere from ep 1-6 before explained in ep 7.

Shkannon claim that it was always the truth was always there and that ep 7 was simply the key and that Ryukishi never intended to trick us. And that the very intent that it was all a trick, that the reader was tricked, is impossible. That Rosatrice also twist the meaning of the VN, whatever that means.

>>100341799
>can't even find an answer
>tells me to go to tumblr
I'm sorry, I'm laughing harder than Beatrice right now.

You clearly don't fucking understand what I've just done.
I've just given a perfect proof that Shannon and Kanon are separate people and that the entire theory of Shkannon is impossible in the first twilight, that Yasu could not have gotten into the Chapel since there are no windows?
And the only rebutal you have is to tell me to go to tumblr.

Now...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHA
CRACKLE CRACKLE CRACKLE CRACKLE
CRACKLE CRACKLE CRACKLE CRACKLE

DO YOU HEAR ME?
IT'S ME LAUGHING AT YOUR CORPSE.

Anyways, good night.
I've just solved Umineko.

>>100341927
Nope, only one chapel key. Said in red.
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God fucking dammit Bern's game in Ep8 is killing me. I can't come up with a satisfying theory and I'm getting so fucking sick of staring at her smug fucking face holy shit GOD DAMN FUCKING CAT STOP GIVING MY THAT SMUG LOOK YOU LITTLE SHIT.
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>>100342138
I solved it after getting used to the idea that the wording "the culprit" does actually not necessarily imply that there is only one culprit. I guess, the corresponding word in Japanese could mean both singular and plural.
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>>100342232
I solved after I realized that everything that is not spoken is truth
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Why is it that my Umineko threads never work, yet others always start the thread just fine? ;_;
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>>100342138
Wait I think I got it.

George, Battler, Maria, Jessica, Nanjo, and Gohda are all culprits.

First Twilight: They all enter the dinning hall and kill one person each, making them all culprits (thus satisfying the requirement that non-culprits can't cooperate with culprits, done early so I don't have to jump through any hoops in later stages). Gohda locks the door on his way out.

Second Twilight: Anyone other than the Servants could have committed the murders, then Gohda (who first stated in purple that the door was locked) locks it without anyone seeing, which sets up Shannon unlocking it a moment later.

Fourth Twilight: Anyone could have done it.

Fifth/Sixth: Anyone could murder Kumasawa, because only culprits remain! Gohda plays dead for the camera.

Seventh/Eight: What murders? No murders here, the culprits are just fucking around and playing dead for the camera.

This theory is so fucking retarded it hurts but I don't think it violates any of the rules or truths.

Bern is going to banish me to the shadow realm if I seriously try to say six people were the culprits isn't she?
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>>100342823
If I remember right Shannon said that all the servants were together.
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>>100343036
Only in the interval between the First and Second, which is why I said that anyone OTHER than the Servants could have done the Second Twilight. Nothing says that Gohda couldn't have locked the door on the sly when everyone was gathered in front of it (as improbable as that may seem).
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>>100342823
You don't see the heart, anon.
Think about the motives. It's not just a simple puzzle, and while it can be solved that way too, you should stop and think - who would be able to kill who without feeling remorse about it.
For example, can Eva kill George without feeling like shit about it? Unlikely.
Look into the heart, and all shall be revealed.
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>>100333799
There's actually some shit that looks suspicious as hell when you go back and read it with episode 7 in mind. Like Shannon's intense discomfort when George talks about children, the scene where Beatrice makes fun of Kanon's tiny "sword" in front of Jessica, Zepar and Furfur, and the bizarre metaphorical scene where Kanon sticks his hand into his chest wound in front of Dr. Nanjo.
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>>100343128
Well, she married that fatso so she's probably already dead in the inside.
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>>100343120
This implies that they were together the whole time. Also there is a red that says
>The culprit of the 1st twilight really did kill 6 people
>culprit
That is singular, no? Sorry if I'm giving hints that makes it easy for you.

>>100343128
This is also legit. This game follows feelings and what not.
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>>100343152
Not to mention Will's statement of "Illusions don't leave corpses" or something to that effect when the issue of the Amazing Disappearing Kanon comes up when he's solving all the murders with his cryptic metaphors at the end.

And then there is this.
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In the EP 8 minigame, was I the only one who put in as an answer George, Eva, and Hideyoshi first rather than the actual answer? It literally makes sense either way as stated by Erika later on.
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Wow. Just fucking wow. At the very fucking beginning I was thinking it was Battler, Kyrie, and Rudolph but I got tripped up by Bern's red response to Beato's theory after the Third Twilight. My first fucking guess like ten minutes into the game was right on the money and I just spent hours running in pointless circles because of Bern's wordplay.
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The old art was better.
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The amount of people, that have seen the anime but haven't read the VN is giving my cancer.
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>>100343152
I actually did read that again and there truly is no hint of Shannon being in intense discomfort.
She's actually pretty happy about George confessing that he wants Grandchildren and to do fuck all with his waifu. (creepy though)
There really wasn't a sense of discomfort in any way other than Shannon being her bubbly shy self like she always is.

To imply that she felt discomfort when she is always shy is to simply imply that something happened by looking at another light.

The tiny sword is the meta sword that Kanon was using to protect Jessica, but I have to admit, using ep 7 as reference, it's fucking more cruel and gruesome. It's another reason why I like both theories to be right, because of that moment.

But everything else really isn't there.
The first time Kanon meets Battler, he's not completely stuttered, he's just shy in his ''I am furniture'' bullshit and embarreses himself, nothing more.
After rereading Umineko again, there really isn't anything that shows anything towards Yasu unless you are deliberately looking for it.

>>100343235
Red herring. And a good one at that. You especially notice it after you read Umineko again.
They're only talking about that specific game and not the gameboard in general.

Shannon *dies* in ep 1 and Kanon doesn't disappear.
The opposite would also be true in ep 2 when Kanon vanishes but not Shannon.

And this never happens anywhere else.
There really isn't any bullshit of ''when Kanon goes away, so does Shannon'' in any of the 5 games.

This is meant to imply that when Kanon or Shannon REALLY die, the other one vanishes but this does not happen in any game and there would be nothing to imply that statement except in ep 4 where only one corpse of the two is found.

If you check Kanon's death log for ep 4, it's actually interesting.
It mentions how not having the body of Kanon as proof makes him a culprit, which makes it anti-fantasy but then Beatrice says it in red that he's dead and it makes it anti-mystery.
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>>100348154
Complete pack here

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=418636

There isn't a listed seed number but I know for a fact that people still seed.
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>>100348439
Thanks. One more thing, are the CGs patched to not look like eye cancer in this version or do I have to download umitweak?
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>>100348689
I'd honestly recommend going vanilla, with the original art.
They grow on you very fast.

The issue imo is that one of the characters look vastly superior than with the CG patched.

So I would recommend you getting the voice patch (follow the instructions) and keep the voices for more effect.
The CG is meh and only worthwhile if you're doing a second reading but since it's your first time, I recommend going vanilla.

And prepare for one of wildest rollercoasters you can have. You'll know if you want to keep reading once you finish ep 3.
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>>100333799
>There's a lot of inconsistencies that Yasu cannot account for now that I'm rereading it.
Just admit R07 fucked everything up with Chiru. He probably scrapped the origianl plan, to seem smarter than his audience.

Anyone got the what I played, expected and got image?
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>>100334513
This is why the Yasu theory is bullshit.
>It wanst me, but it was me.
Its fucking cheap. Anyone defending it is defending bad writing.
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>>100342823
>Seventh/Eight: What murders? No murders here, the culprits are just fucking around and playing dead for the camera.
Except it says on the non-purple text that they are indeed dead.
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>Lion/Yasu=Kanon=Shanon=Claire=Beato=


How can one person be so many people?
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>>100352986
More interesting question, how can one person be so many and nobody recognizes that?
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>>100352574
Anyone who has a translation of this?
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>>100341964
>I've just given a perfect proof that Shannon and Kanon are separate people and that the entire theory of Shkannon is impossible in the first twilight, that Yasu could not have gotten into the Chapel since there are no windows?
Yasu left the chapel unlocked so that Kanon could get in and he locked it with his master key upon getting there. Prove me wrong.
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>>100356739
They are separate, Kanon solved it himself.
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>>100356739
Does anyone prohibit the servants from lending their keys to other people?
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>>100347535
Shannon and Kanon being one and the same would also need EVERY person on the islan to play along - or to be very dumb.
Even if Krauss, Natsuhi and Genji are involved, Jessica is not and we don't know about Gohda and the other servants.
It's unlikely that they NEVER would suspect something, like never seeing Kanon and Shannon at the same time.
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>>100358887
Are you saying most of the Ushiroyimas weren't dumb?
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>>100358914
Not dumb enough to not being able to separate the numbers one and two....
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Hello, my name is anon and I want to deito Lucifer.
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Look at all this gross Alchemist art.
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>>100358887
>or to be very dumb.
These are the people that thought people would buy, "uh, Kinzo just walked past, but he got mad and left!"
Plus, EP7 made it clear that the Ushiromiya family barely even knows the names of their servants, nevermind paying attention to them personally aside from "Shannon's the one that's been here since she was, like a toddler" and "Kanon is the pissy one that Kinzo takes out back to shoot at trees with".
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>>100354219
>>100356580
Both are easily answered.
Bad writing.
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>>100359949
Don't forget "moon tourism".
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>>100359097
That pic

Did Kanon strike again?
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>>100359949
I wonder if Natsuhi and Krauss ever recognize Jessica had the hots for Kanon...
probably not, since Natsuhi would most likely instantly get a seizure...
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>>100359949
>the Ushiromiya family barely even knows the names of their servants
Aside from you know, the fact that George was going to marry one, Eva took quite an interest in that. Then you have Jessica who loved Kanon and was childhood friends with Shannon.

>Making everyone retarded to keep up n ilusion
10/10 R07
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>>100360592
>Aside from you know, the fact that George was going to marry one, Eva took quite an interest in that.
Oh yeah, Eva spent a ton of time on the island, making sure that the servant girl her son wanted to marry was actually a woman and had no crossdressing tendencies, instead of, you know, warning her off like we saw in canon.

>Then you have Jessica who loved Kanon and was childhood friends with Shannon.
Then you had Jessica, who talked to Shannon when her mom wasn't around, and liked Kanon because he was one of the only guys her age in the immediate vicinity. Truly deep relationships that involve knowing a lot about the people in question.
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>>100359949
There's actually more.
In ep 4, there's mention in Ange's flashfowards of ''the other servants who were off the island at the time'' giving detail accounts on the island to newspaper and journalist curious about what happened on the island.
Shannon and Kanon were not the only servants on the island, they were simply the only servants while the shitstorm happen.

So not only would Shkannon have to fool the entire family but also a bunch of servants who come in number in and out like we saw in ep 7. Around 6-7 maids or so. Plus Godha. There's no way in hell that no one noticed Yasu changing from dresses at one time or another, or that Yasu threaten them not to talk about it and then when the island blew up, none of them talked about it if they found out.

There's also the part in ep 2 when they go to the Chapel and Shannon and Kanon are clearly shown as two seperate people and Godha speaks to both of them.
You can blame Godha for being on it and ''knowing'' about the split personality (like that wouldn't freak the fuck out of him) when Genji and Rosa go to investigate the chapel. It would be easy to say Godha was in on it but he truly does nothing the whole time and is completely stuttered when the ''ghost demon Kanon'' comes back to life (forced lie) which suggest that he was never in on it.

You can truly find pieces of everything that makes it apparent that Shkannon would be found or seen.

There's also the issue of pic related.

I wondered about it and then went back to read the part in ep 2.
Kanon meets Beatrice (why the fuck is he shocked if it's his split personality?) and he's bewildered. Then, time passes and Maria says that she knows Beatrice and invites him to come and play. Maria is not asking Kanon to change back, the cap is misleading as fuck when it's just Kanon not being sure that he actually saw a walking person dressed as Beatrice giving him tips about his love life.
I mean, you see the fucking portrait in the hall and there she is.
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>>100361411
What should Yasu do to threaten the other servants?
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>>100361411
That pic is Fantasy.
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>>100361411
Or, as stated in the series, Kanon and Shannon don't usually share shifts! That's pretty easy to do when the guy that makes the schedule is in your poket.
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>>100361546
Give them money, obviously.
I mean, what else can you do?
The issue with that is that the island mystery is national news after the events.

You know how powerful gossip is.
Eva was able to hold back her tongue due to whatever but do you seriously imagine any of the servant girls not to babble about it if the island mystery became national news all the time?

They'd make a fucking killing in interviews if any of them actually found out the truth about Shkannon and were paid not to say anything. The person who paid them died, so why not say what they know?
It's really misleading that Shannon and Kanon were the only servants in the house because it's the only ones we see.
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>>100361411
"Sorry, Maria-sama. Jessica-sama already ordered me to her room to "study magic" with her".
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>>100361725
>It's really misleading that Shannon and Kanon were the only servants in the house because it's the only ones we see.
No one has ever said that Kanon and Shannon are the only servants. Prove that they always worked together. If they worked on different days, then why would anyone notice?

Also, the Ushiromiya family usually only has a couple servants on the island at a time, not six or seven.
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One Seacat thread too many.
A dozen theories too many.
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>>100361658
They are still busy and they do share shift from time to time.
A term used was ''always make sure if a maid has something in her hand'', because a maid with nothing in her hands is a maid who is not doing her job.

Why in the world would Kanon and Shannon have hours of off time if they're fucking servants?
They share a lot shifts and it's very clear by ep 1 that servants are always occupied.

>>100361863
Moon-chan is the best culprit.
She has the hair and the motive (be with Kanon).

>>100361801
No, the argument was ''oh, the family isn't ALWAYS there, and only Krauss and Natsuhi and Jessica are there and it's probably easy to fool 3 people''. But add 6-7 more people, plus Godha after year twom and do you expect Kanon and Shannon to be able to fool 10-11 people in a mansion for 3 years (the time since Kanon came on the island) for all that time without anyone noticing?

Three fucking years. Fooled everyone. Every servant, not even Godha knew.

That's some bullshit right there and you can smell it for what it is.
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>>100362041
>They are still busy and they do share shift from time to time.
Oh really? Prove it.
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>>100362001
OK, that one is really good.
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>>100362041
>Every servant, not even Godha knew.
You mean the same Gohda that thought Kinzo was still alive? Yep, he's sure a tough one to fool, that Gohda!
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>>100362100
You caught me in a bad moment since I have to leave right now, but it says so in ep 1 that Kanon was busy in one spot while Shannon was serving tea and one part where Natsuhi gives shit to Shannon while she's on cleaning duties.

I'll come back in a few hours and post the proof.
And sharing fucking shifts would even be on your list of arguments since Shannon or Kanon could simply do fuck all and not care about their shift, so why do you even care if they shift overlap or not? Especially since Genji is the one giving the list of shifts.

>>100362307
Godha never went close to Kinzo.
The only people allowed to go in Kinzo's room were the respected servants, which Godha was not a part of. He was never given the chance to give Kinzo food (Krauss and Natsuhi probably didn't want him to babble).

So how in the world was Godha supposed to know if only a select few can ''see'' Kinzo?
And in the flashforwards in ep 4, the servants don't talk much about Kinzo which suggest that no one other than Kumasawa, Genji, Kanon, Shannon and Nanjo were allowed to meet Kinzo.
So Godha not knowing about Kinzo is very likely since not even the other servants knew.

Still doesn't address how Godha saw Shannon and Kanon together in front of the Chapel in ep 2 at the first Twilight.
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>>100362507
>but it says so in ep 1 that Kanon was busy in one spot while Shannon was serving tea
Oh yes, the narration! The same narration that describes dead people as living and magical occurrences. By proof, I mean a statement by Genji or the two themselves talking about how they work together frequently, not that the unreliable narration says something unreliable.

>Still doesn't address how Godha saw Shannon and Kanon together in front of the Chapel in ep 2 at the first Twilight.
If you read EP2, it's pretty obvious that Gohda was the second conspirator along with Rosa.
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>>100348689

fuwanovel has all the games with PS3 sprites and CGs in the form of a patch.

http://fuwanovel.org/novels/umineko-chiru-5-8-ps3-sprites-voices
http://fuwanovel.org/novels/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-1-4-ps3-sprites-voices
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>>100362695
>If you read EP2, it's pretty obvious that Gohda was the second conspirator along with Rosa.
It actually isn't.

When the fantasy about Kanon being alive is forced upon, Godha babbles like a fucking maniac and doesn't know what to say.
When Genji ''calmly'' gives the explanation of the lie they were forced to say to keep Kumasawa alive, Godha just goes ''YES YES, THAT'S EXACTLY IT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENNED, EXACTLY THAT''.

It's completely clear that Godha was never part of it nor does he play any part.
Godha never actually has any part and the only conspirator possible is doctor Nanjo when Rosa asks to speak to him in a low voice and then to George right afterwards. Godha is never part of anything EVER.
Pic related.
Godha was never a part of anything except if you force it to happen since Godha never fucking did anything and shows clear sign that he did not know the plan.

It's fucking obvious that Godha was never a second conspirator but that Nanjo was and so was George.

>can't trust the narration
>asks for proof
Are you retarded?
Other than Kinzo, everything shown in ep 1 is 100% reliable narrator.

Genji doesn't talk about work in any way but I'll check since I think Genji mentions that they both have early morning shift the next morning in ep 1.

Anyways I have to leave.
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What don't people get about Ep1-4 being in-universe fiction. Yasu wrote Ep1-2 and she obviously wanted to uphold the illusion of Shannon and Kanon, for that matter she never even actually had to have been crossdressing in the real Rokkenjima.
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>The thread without the theories dies while the thread full of goating continues

Why can't we just post stakes?
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>>100363468
>the story was written so that the proof against the evidence that Shannon and Kanon being seperate people only confirms it since it was written by Yasu.
Reminder that dolphins are nice people because only reports of good dolphins bringing people to shore exist. Lack of evidence only proves that Dolphins were not there in time. Thus proving that all Dolphins are good people. Not that it doesn't prove
If you don't know what I'm referencing, I'm referencing Freud. My theory is right and the reason it's right is because it's supressed (written in the story to be that way) so I'm obviously right in thinking you were raped as a child since you don't remember it

Now... say it along with me.

BEATRICE WANTED TO BE CAUGHT, NOT CREATE THE FUCKING ILLUSION OF SHANNON AND KANON.
That's the reason for all the murders, and the epitaph solving and Beatrice giving all those chances.
As mentioned by Maria >>100334415, magic requires risks.

There was never this memento build up to create a catbox to give life to Shannon and Kanon, both already existed.
Anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't reread Umineko because ep 1-2 were written by Beatrice, not Yasu, Maria's journal confirms it.
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>>100363992
doesn't prove that bad dolphins exist*.
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>>100333212
What? The text does not describe those last 8 steps at all.
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>>100363982
Meido luci best
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>>100364199

What happened to Rudolf and Kyrie's eyes? Did they go blind?
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>>100364486
>luci best
Agreed.
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>>100364535
The gold was infected with evil-itis.
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>>100364199
That is some breast.
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>>100364604
Kyrie has 3 brains
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Wait, what exactly proves that Lion is male? I thought it was left ambiguous on purpose and the readers weren't supposed to solve it.
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>>100364904

Nothing does. I always figured Lion was female because the majority of Yasu's personalities were all female. Ryuukishi left Lion's true gender ambiguous on purpose though.
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>>100364957
I would let Beelzebub nibble my ear.
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Was Ericka trying to give Battler hot dickings when she snuck into his room?
Was he hiding in the shower when she did it?
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>>100364199
So Faggler and his parents killed everyone on PRIME and yasu the lovestruck gender-confused crossdresser covered it up.
I think I'm beginning to see the love. H-Have I finally graduated from being a goat?
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>>100364986
>Nothing does. I always figured Lion was female because the majority of Yasu's personalities were all female. Ryuukishi left Lion's true gender ambiguous on purpose though.

This is evidence that Lion is male, if anything. Yasu having a mental breakdown over her gender works far better if you assume that her body *doesn't* match the so-called majority of her personalities.

Lion's gender was referred to as a mystery so it's solvable. The only reason Ryukishi would have to play it up as ambiguous and unknown to begin with, when everyone assumed without question that Yasu was female, is if the truth is she's male.
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>>100363214

>Genji comes up with the bullshit fantasy story according to the script
>Gohda agrees with him and backs him up
>OBVIOUSLY THIS IS PROOF GOHDA WAS NOT A CO-CONSPIRATOR

Are you retarded?
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>>100364904

It can. And it's an important plot point.

> Yasu has an obvious gender crisis after Nanjo tells her about what happened to her body after the accident
> Will refers to Lion as a man before he suspected him to be another version of Yasu
> The MAN from 19 years ago is Yasu
> The only way Yasu would be the head's successor is if he was a male
> Rykukishi's last TIP for Umineko was one where Ange and Virgilia write a yaoi fanfic about Lion and Will
> Lion has a male school uniform in the manga
> Kinzo would never let a woman wear pants
> Shanon's breast being fake and she being uneasy about George asking her for babies when she couldn't give them

In Answer of the Golden Witch Ryukishi practically said Lion is a guy.
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>>100334415
Oh wait, you're the same guy who screams and rages because he can't comprehend the meaning of the scene where Rosa and Eva agree to keep the discovery of the gold a secret, and tell nobody, which includes Yasu.

>Are you retarded?
That answers that question.
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>>100365413
You've finally reached the golden land.
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>>100365568
Jessica was placed before George in the succession line despite being a girl.
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>>100365758

But she can't be the family head. She can only marry some guy and her husband will be the next family head, because a girl isn't allowed to be the head. Lion doesn't need to marry nobody because he's the head's successor.
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>>100365568

You forgot:

>Ryukishi wrote Lion stating that he likes cooking which reflects gender equality since he thinks both genders should be allowed to stand in the kitchen.
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>>100364904
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Pinch-back time.
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>HURR DE DURP WITHOUT LOVE IT CANNOT BE SEEN
A lot of wasted time just to find out Kyrie and Rudolph, the most obvious culprits considering their motives and personalities, killed everyone.

I still can't believe I wasted so much time with this shit. I should have stopped back in episode 4 when it was obviously going downhill with all the Ange crap.
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>>100366430
It's not about prime, it's about the gameboard.
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Eva is such an unbearable bitch, is there any single person in the world that actually likes this cow?
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>>100366571
Ignore ange posts
Report ange posts
Hide ange posts
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>>100366834
I've only just started 4, so no I'm not ange, anyone who likes eva is a member of her immediate family.
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>>100366889
Oooooh. Well that figures.
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>>100366834
Trick ending ange is best ange. So badass.
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>>100366889
>I've only just started 4, so no I'm not ange, anyone who likes eva is a member of her immediate family.

And once you finish 7 you'll realize that Eva was the hero Ange needed but didn't deserve.
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>>100367274
Say that in red faggot
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>>100367515
Wait, so she deserved to live with an aunt that wouldn't be able to heal her wound and be dead on the inside for 12 years just because some witch decided to steal her parents and her onii-chan?

I like it
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casual reminder that she is the cutest
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>>100367840
I beg to disagree.
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>watch an episode or two
>reality is in a "superposition" and battler has to prove that the crimes could've been done without magic to prevent them
>realize the superposition itself already proves that
Stupid premise. Stupid show.
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>>100368087
>watch

I found your problem
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>>100368245
The VN starts with the same premise doesn't it?
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>>100368087

> anime

You're such a funny anon, you.
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>>100368429

There is more to it than that. And the story itself admits Battler's motivations are dumb. But he gets better, don't worry.
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>>100368087
DEEN Higurashi: loli KILLERS SO COOL

while the actual Higurashi was more than that, that should give you some idea.
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>>100367840
Also good genes.
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>>100369177
>>100367840
2cute
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>>100367840
4me
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One day I shall be taken from this dreaded plane of existence, and head over to the Golden Land where the Aunts await. For now I must wait and be patient.
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>>100367709

>beatrice took her brother
>Beatrice
>not Kyrie
You fucked up, man.
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>>100369745
Holy shit that Natsuhi my heart cannot take it
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>>100369577
make it double cute
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I wish I could erase this from my mind completely. 07 you fucking hack.

Bleat.
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Someone's trying reallly hard to bait. Oh well, good luck to him. Time for moon tourism.

Your shoe laces are untied
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>>100370585
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>>100370585
Daily reminder that Krauss is the best girl
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>>100370585
That Krauss vs Erika scene was epic.
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>>100365413
In ep3 it says in red that battler isnt the culprit
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>>100371619
It was Black Battler, his second persona
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>>100371736
What did Maria call her mother's bad side again? The black witch?
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>>100371896
Evil witch
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>>100371929
Oh I thought I could make a half ironic comparison between black battler and bad rosa. I was wrong.
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>>100372206
Battler is Marias mother?

Not bad anon. Not bad.
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>Implying you did not cum buckets when you heard this during Will's rape train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70klHdh8l8o
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>>100372518
I liked it more at the end of EP5
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Czo ten papaj
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The real number of people in the island is 16.

There are 16 pieces in a chess game.
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>>100372850
Rosa seems to be one of the Umineko charas with the most funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmobNjld7X8
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>>100373083
imo she's one of the most interesting real characters.
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>>100373123
Yeah because she's actually the culprit.
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>>100373356
That is so hilarious anon, god, you're a comedy genius. I laughed so hard.

Shame on you for trying to derail a seacat thread.
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>>100373492
>still clutching on to shkanon
>not watching BASED knownomore's 10 hour explanation video and figuring out the truth
It's not too late. BLEAT
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Swab the poop deck, or ye be gittn' raped. Intellectually yarr.
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>>100374118
You mean "taped".
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>>100374582
If that's your thing then I guess I can't be helped
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You're all such goats.
Story is left open to interpretation, but most clear and obvious answer is beyashakanontriceion
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>>100374714
This is why you'll always be a goat, the answer that R07 intended to give was clearly Angetrice as the culprit. What would a WtC be without evil lolis?
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>>100374817
Edgy. But you're a goat that doesn't understand the truth and meaning behind the story.

Stay mad goat.
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>>100334415
Well that's beca-
>lel
Oh, I see, you're just retarded. I almost spent time answering seriously.
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>>100374949
Ange loved her onii-chan and all the evil Ushiromiyas were out to get his dick.

Without love it cannot be seen! Chew on some grass you goat.
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>>100372850
You know, in ep 4, Maria goes all Uuuu uuuu and shit and Rosa just goes along with it.
Ange just has a complete breakdown seeing that which is hilarious.

>>100375002
>long explanation that disproves theory
>can't answer
>only fixated on a single word meant to show the stupidity of the opposite group
Good to know you're mature enough to show someone wrong.
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>>100375069
Ange may have loved battler but I didn't think he loved her too much since he opted to stay with Beatrice in their gay little metaphorical world instead of coming back to her.
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>>100365556
>>Gohda agrees with him and backs him up
Go read that part again you fucking idiot.

What happened was that doctor Nanjo pulled a gun on the group and took Kumasawa and told everyone to go back to Rosa and Battler and George and tell them that a devil ghost Kanon came and tried to killed them. Then Nanjo took Kumasawa at gunpoint and everyone went back to see the family.

Shannon and Godha were all fucking ecstatic when they go back to see Battler/George/Rosa in ep 2, go read that part again, they're fucking baffled and can't explain it. Genji just calmly after he's forced to by Godha who then explains it while Godha looks like he's begging when he's saying that what Genji is saying is true and that Battler absolute must believe it. Primarily when Nanjo likely said that if they don't do it, he'll kill Kumasawa.
And again Rosa only talked to Nanjo>>100363214 not Genji/Godha.

A good example of that attitude is when you're trying to say a phrase but you can't word it properly and your friend next to you says it better than you could. And you're all ''YES, THA'TS EXACTLY IT'' but both Shannon and Godha were scared shitless while Genji just calmly repeated what Nanjo said because he's fucking emotionless.

Genji never came up with anything, if he did, he would be the only explaining what happened.
And seriously? A script? Do you fucking expect people to play along in a play when murder happened?

Godha was never part of anything. In any game. Ever.
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>>100375501
>a single word meant to show the stupidity of the opposite group
Yeah, no, I think you're just scum and should fuck off to rddt.
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Don't you just love threads that discuss theories. They're always so civilized and productive.
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>>100376020
Nope, yes, I think you're just gay and should fuck off you tmblr.
Two can play at that game.

>>100376111
I just proved Shkannon was impossible and separated Shannon and Kanon without having to fall into ''are they split personalities or not'' bullshit.

As well as the point that Beatrice follows rules but not Yasu, which is stupid. Especially when Rosa is mentioned many times to follow rules.
If Beatrice says she follows rules/keeps promises and Rosa says she follows rules/keeps promises but apparently Yasu doesn't give a shit about rules, who is closest to Beatrice?
Yasu is less of a Beatrice than Rosa.

Overall, a productive thread with people calling me a shithead and disproving jack shit.
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>>100376414
>Two can play at that game.
But see, you can't. I use standard English. You can't tell me to "fuck off you tmblr."
I can tell you to fuck off to rddt because you're a retard who can't help but use rddt language.
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>>100376614
English isn't my native tongue so I don't care.

Shkannon was disproven, Rosatrice is truth.
Checkmate.

Just take it up the ass like a bitch and agree with me.
You really have nothing to say.

The only thing you are is a goat that would rather go after small words than arguments.
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>>100375649
Maybe for Batler it's a matter of chest size...
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>>100376414
People don't usually go
"Oh I see"
when they are arguing. Even if they know they are wrong, they most usually continue to argue and wiggle for as long as possible.

ESPECIALLY is such a gray area as Umineko where there can be so many possibilities and an endless supply of wiggle room.

Just learn to ignore if there's no valid counter argument. You'd increase the whole board quality, just by not responding to baddies.
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>>100376753
Motherfucking battler has his way with big breasted bitches.
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I'll say it in blue. Ryukishi07 stopped giving a shit about continuity when his best friend died.
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>>100376958
He's a bit fixated on that, yeah...
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>>100377172
>*stare*
Why are guys fixated with looking directly at breast? Especially big breast?
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>>100377277
Without love it cannot be seen.
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>>100377277
Worry not, for Battler is able to stare at other points, too.
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>>100377636
and so is Amakusa
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>>100377761
Why doesn't Ange wear any panties?
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>>100377636
Does Battler like DFC?
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>>100377787
That's literally true. In the cover of EP8 manga she is portrayed with no pantsu.
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>>100377787
who says she doesn't?
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>>100377875
I know it's true, I just wonder if it's a free invite to anyone who wants to fuck her or not.

I still wonder if she's a virgin and all.
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>>100377787
maybe some "promise" to battler when she was young? Remember him and Maria talking in Ep1..
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Does anyone else get tired of people pinning the crime on Rosa

The woman who throws up at the sight of something that resembles blood
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>>100377761
>trick ending
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>>100377904
It's a catbox.
Panties exist and don't exist concerning the existence and non-existence of underwear in perceived observations under various specially confined circumstances and angles which can only be monitored in a constant hyperflux observation grid. So unless panties are monitored at all times, they both exist and do not exist.
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Can't we just agree that all Ushiromiyas were fucking crazy murderous bitches and deserve what they got?

Bern was the true hero of the story.
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>official manga cover
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>>100378591
>deserve what they go
Shoo, shoo, go away you annoying cat.
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>>100378591
Natsuhi and Maria didn't deserve what they got.

They're the only ones.
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>>100378591

wasn't Bern Rika?
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>>100378804

Natsuhi wasn't a real Ushiromiya. Maria was already brain dead from the beating.

I guess Jessica also didn't deserve this shit.
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>>100378586
Catbox solved.
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Why doesn't Battler ever take his hand out of his pocket?
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>>100378978
He's fapping at all times.
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When will you guys accept the truth?

Your reminder that there is foreshadowing for Gohda's love and gratitude for Natsuhi. Your reminder that there are clues for Natsuhi confiding in Gohda for very personal things, like her family history. Your reminder that Gohda has actual reason to create an imaginary life for Natsuhi's discarded child as a servant. Your reminder that there are clues for a history of male servants crossdressing as Beatrice for the sake of their masters in the Ushiromiya family. Your reminder that all the clues about Beatrice's ambiguous gender make sense with Gohda. Your reminder that Beatrice herself bragged at length about herself as a fine cook. Your reminder that Kanon states that he hates Beatrice, then states that he hates Gohda. Because they're the same person.

Gohdatrice explains why Beatrice has such a strong bond with the servants.

Gohdatrice doesn't contradict what the story presents in terms of motives and characterization.

Gohdatrice fits all red text.

Gohdatrice doesn't make incoherent nonsense of the detective's perspectives.

Gohdatrice fits the themes of tragic love and gender ambiguity.
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Yasu was Gohda imagining the life that Natsuhi's child could have had if it had lived. He knows the details of servant life so imagining it living as a servant was the most logical thing for him.


The love duel is just a dramatized representation of Gohda's conflict on seeing Shannon move on from Battler to George, because he got his inspiration to add Beatrice's love for Battler from Shannon (in an attempt to separate Beatrice more clearly from his own love for Natsuhi.) He resents it and can't make sense of it because his own devotion to Natsuhi is so singular, how can Shannon have moved on so easily?

Meanwhile Kanon was destined to always lose because Gohda knows Natsuhi's daughter dating a servant is unacceptable to her.
Gohda is suffering extreme internal conflict because on one hand, he wants to be with Natsuhi romantically as a man, but on the other hand, he knows that Natsuhi is best served by supporting her as a woman. Hence the gender complex and his frustration and anger surrounding it.
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>>100378827
No, no she isn't.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.

>>100378978
He's trying to be the next Napoleon.
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>>100379081
Gohdatrice has been proven in gold and in red by Ryukishi.
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>>100378720
Seems ange is into G-strings...
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Here's what happened on Prime.

It's obvious that what happened was that Battler solved the Epitaph, got Shannon to love him again and George tried to kill Battler but ended up killing the entire family by accident. He kept going from room to room trying to find Battler with a large knife, but scared whomever was in the room and then had to kill that person to shut him up. George kept killing until he got to his mother, he was unable to bet her as she gave him a roundhouse kick and ran away through Okonogi's helicopter.

When Battler found out what happened after he finished having his two day long sex session with Shannon, he found Maria dressed as Beatrice telling him that the bomb will explode.
He ran away with one of the gold he left at the underground submarine where he fucked Shannon, which explains why George was unable to find Battler, and ran away. Due to Battler's incompetent driving abilities, he drowned in the water.

The end.

Years later, Ange fucked her teacher after hearing about Shion's gossip and got kicked out of school so she could become a pirate. She spent the rest of her days solving crime with Pirate Erika.
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>>100378827

She was born from Rika.
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>>100378827

No, Bern was her cat.
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>>100379800
Which doesn't make her in any way related or Rika at all.
In any possible way. None whatsoever.
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>>100337022
I forget how did the whole scene with 'Kinzo' appearing in the dining room thing actually work?

We know it was real because Beato said in red that 'Kinzo' appeared in the dining room and killed everyone.

Next she said that 'No one else can be Kinzo but Kinzo'.

Of course there's the theory that appeared after this episode that Kinzo is merely a title that can be passed around but as we know from later on in the episode even 'Kinzo' is dead meaning whoever used his title cannot be alive.
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>>100379796
..and Gohda secretly survived, married Beelzebub and works as cook on the pirate ship...
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>>100380120
Change Kinzo for ''the culprit'' and it's basically the same thing.
It's not Kinzo himself but the new head of the family comes in and pronounces himself/herself as the true head after the entire family decides that they're going to barge right in and see Kinzo and not give a fuck.
No actually can ''see'' Kinzo because he's dead.
Anyone who does cannot be completely trusted, hense why Battler's viewpoint cannot be objective and used as proof.
In other gameboards, you can pretty much erase any involvement of Kinzo and nothing would be lost.

In ep 4, it's interesting to note that when Kinzo enters the dinning room, next to him is Kanon.
Genji has this standing ovation, saying ''presenting the head of the household, the goldsmith'' and Kinzo and Kanon enter the room. If you remove Kinzo, you can see where I'm going with this and I find that very interesting. It's a nod for the Shkanon that I noticed to be very interesting.

But anyways, the red is actually tricky since it's more a confirmation of Kinzo's body imo. When you see Kinzo, you won't think of him as anything else because of his six fingers. If you see him in the meta, then the events aren't real. If it only applies to his body, then everyone cannot mistake it for anyone else but Kinzo. Which explains why Battler is able to use the Gold Truth in ep 5. It was already a pre-established rule.
And in all the games, when Kinzo's body is found, the family immediately agree that it is him, like the red says.

>>100380252
Why are they such a perfect couple?
They're like the perfect OTP.
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>>100380789
>Anyone who does cannot be completely trusted, hense why Battler's viewpoint cannot be objective and used as proof

Isn't the whole purpose of the 8th game to prove that the truth is subjective though, thus making the narrator unreliable? Battler did raise an important point when the Kinzo of the 8th game was markedly different than all the other Kinzo's, simply because we only know Kinzo from what other people say, and never meet him himself.
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>>100382659
The point was more that we can't really know the ''real'' truth and that it was probably already influenced by other outside factors.

But I do agree and it does make you wonder, was the Kinzo we saw in all the previous game actually Kinzo? Or was the one Battler showed the real Kinzo?

Truth will always be subjective by how someone views it since you will never attain a perfect truth.
You could go full empiricist and say that we will never know the truth of anything absolutely, only a probability and being as close as possible by remaking models and theories of what we consider the truth.

It's like hearing from a friend about a science fact that he read in a magazine he doesn't remember a while back. You don't know the source and what your friend said might be true, but to what degree? And how do you know the science magazine was truthful if you don't have the possibility to find out the name of the magazine of do science yourself?

You can also check the Gettier problem which pretty much destroys all knowledge and reduces how we see the world is simply connects we attribute them to be truthful and agree without actually knowing or confirming the truth.

Also, Battler's viewpoint CAN be trusted and is completely objective if he spends more than 3 minutes looking at a corpse. But the problem is that he really doesn't get a good look at any of the corpse other than his parents except at the end of ep 4. It's only in ep 5 that it cannot be trusted, which cannot be used to prove that Kanon and Shannon are in the same room together with Erika.
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>>100380789
Except that's impossible.

>>>/rs/All+of+those+who+met+at+the+family+conference+recognized+the+existence+of+Kinzo!
>>>/rs/No+person+would+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo+by+sight.
>>>/rs/No+matter+what+the+disguise,+they+would+not+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo!

Man i haven't done that in awhile.

But yeah, from those we know 'Kinzo' was in fact in the room.

This is what started the theories that the culprit brought Kinzo's dead body with him when entering the room and the one where the person who finds the gold becomes Kinzo (this one is almost definitely not true if we bring in Yasu). But yeah, this mystery was kinda ignored in 7 and 8 so we don't know which is true.
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>>100380789
Except that's impossible.

>>>/rs/+All+of+those+who+met+at+the+family+conference+recognized+the+existence+of+Kinzo!
>>>/rs/+No+person+would+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo+by+sight.
>>>/rs/+No+matter+what+the+disguise,+they+would+not+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo!

Man i haven't done that in awhile.

But yeah, from those we know 'Kinzo' was in fact in the room.

This is what started the theories that the culprit brought Kinzo's dead body with him when entering the room and the one where the person who finds the gold becomes Kinzo (this one is almost definitely not true if we bring in Yasu). But yeah, this mystery was kinda ignored in 7 and 8 so we don't know which is true.
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>>100380789
Except that's impossible.

>>>/rs/All_of_those_who_met_at_the_family_conference_recognized_the_existence_of_Kinzo!
>>>/rs/No_person_would_mistake_Ushiromiya_Kinzo_by_sight.
>>>/rs/No_matter_what_the_disguise,_they_would_not_mistake_Ushiromiya_Kinzo!

Man i haven't done that in awhile.

But yeah, from those we know 'Kinzo' was in fact in the room.

This is what started the theories that the culprit brought Kinzo's dead body with him when entering the room and the one where the person who finds the gold becomes Kinzo (this one is almost definitely not true if we bring in Yasu). But yeah, this mystery was kinda ignored in 7 and 8 so we don't know which is true.
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>>100383755
>/rs/+All+of+those+who+met+at+the+family+conference+recognized+the+existence+of+Kinzo!
Everyone knows Kinzo has an extra toe and know who he is
>/rs/+No+person+would+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo+by+sight.
We see his toes and we don't mistake him
>/rs/+No+matter+what+the+disguise,+they+would+not+mistake+Ushiromiya+Kinzo!
If you dress the body of Kinzo with a fairy outfit, the family will proclaim that it is Kinzo.

Honestly, the only time anyone actually sees Kinzo outside of his room is in ep 5.
When Kyrie talks to Battler before getting her head blown open, she mentions that ''she's being held by a crazy woman''.

It's less about seeing Kinzo and more of ''the identity of the culprit is hidden in meta by the face of Kinzo''.
This is why people recognize Kinzo's body immediately, you can't mistake Kinzo (and no one honestly sees him either).
Especially if you remove the meta.

Also moot is a faggot and removed the red text a long time ago.
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>>100383829
>Also moot is a faggot and removed the red text a long time ago.

I was so confused when trying to post I redid it like 4 times because I thought I was doing it wrong.
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>>100383987
Try with /r/ and keep it short.
I think those still work.
>>>/r/love+sucks.
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>>100383755
>>>/rs/Doesthisstillwork?
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>>>/r/Kinzo-is-dead.
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>>100384118
>>>/r/How about this?
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>>100384119
>>>/r/Kinzo+cannot+be+seen.
>>>/r/Without+love+Kinzo+cannot+be+seen.
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Which seacat is best?
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There is no witch, everything was done by aliens!
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>>100387179
Hanyuu was in on it.
She's an alien.
They're all aliens.

We're going to find out that they're all aliens in the next Higurashi and then we'll go to space in the next WtC and find out where the aliens came from.
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>>100387520
Aliens directed by Ryukishi07
In Space Nobody Can Hear: When They Cry
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So in response to the whole chain of closed rooms problem, I have to admit even understanding the cannon ending as true it is a bit daunting to understand the logic of how Kanon can be found in the locked Chapel.

There only two ways this is possible, both require the Chapel to have been unlocked beforehand. "Shannon" gets up after pretending to be dead in the first-floor room after everyone leave. Either leaves through unlocked/broken window and recovers that rooms key and changes into Kanon clothes.

"Kanon" enters still unlocked Chapel with key to room one and "dies". But is able to lock the door from the inside (unless it is said in red it can't be done without the key).

A collaborator lies about the Chapel being locked when they get there. Or found a moment to slip out and lock it and rejoining group.

If its not something like that R07 either fucked up and broke his own rules or Shkanon can't work. There is simply no way to get around the Chapel's lock without the sole key without the above.
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>>100388323
There is no autolock, Beatrice says so in red.

And there isn't a collaborator since the entire family moved together from room to room until they get to the Chapel and find Kanon.

Not only that but the chapel key was found in the Boiling room and needs a master key, which the family currently has.

So Shannon would have to get out of the parlor, dress as Kanon, go in the chapel, have unknown X lock the door to the parlor, place the chapel key (the only one that can open the chapel, said in red) and then lock the door with a masterkey, which doesn't exist since only 5 masterkeys exist which are in other rooms which are also locked.

It's completely impossible.
There is no autolock and Kanon cannot ''lock the Chapel'' from the inside while somehow putting the Chapel key into the Boiling room where Kinzo is.

I've honestly tried to find a way out of this using any possible way and it really isn't possible for Shannon to do it.

And to use the same trick as ep 2, that the chapel isn't closed is a bit cliche.
And iirc, the family did check the Chapel and found the magic circle and tried opening the Chapel to find it locked.

I honestly can't find an answer to this.
The obvious solution is that Shannon and Kanon are both dead.
Shannon being in the parlor, Kanon being in the Chapel and someone simply slipped the key onto Kanon.
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>>100389112
>I honestly can't find an answer to this.
None of the rooms have a roof.
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>>100389301
Hahaha, brilliant.

Kanon used a magic broom to fly to the room and got in.
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>>100389112
>Shannon being in the parlor, Kanon being in the Chapel and someone simply slipped the key onto Kanon.

The key Kanon had on him was to the Parlour, not the chapel. But yeah this is really weird, unless we use the same logic in the EP2 even if it is a cliche.

R07 gets strangely evasive about the Chapel when it comes to the solution, and focuses more on the Parlour being on the first floor in interviews which really is obviously not the problem.

Isn't the Chapel a case of having a special key and unable to be opened with a master key? If it isn't then its pretty easy to see that "Kanon" would have access to his own to use for that purpose to lock from the inside.
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>>100389585
Reds about the Chapel:
>Only one key to the chapel exists
>It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key
>When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit
>No device exists which can lock them [doors in ep 3] without a key, such as an auto-lock.

I honestly have nothing. And I don't even think it's possible to lock it from the inside.
The cap directly mentions ''the key to the chapel'' rather than a masterkey.
There are 5 masterkeys + the chapel key.

And with the family moving together, I don't see how anyone would be able to go back and lock the room for Kanon using the Chapel key, go in the boiling room and place the chapel key there, lock that room up and go back to the family without anyone noticing and giving they key whomever is holding the keys.

It just defies all logic.
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>>100390281
Lemme go check again and get a cap to make absolutely sure that the Chapel was locked when the magic circle was found.
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>>100341562
>Ange and Virgilia casually discussing all things BL/Yaoi related.

I wanted more.
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>>100390782
I sometimes wonder if Ryukishi isn't a girl in the body of a man. But his fetishes, man, they're amazing.
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>>100341562
Is R07 gay?
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>>100390281
>>100390462

Yeah see this is what troubles me. Granted a lot of the red about the Chapel was said in Game 2 but I think the general rules carry over.

Either they found a fake Kanon corpse that had been placed there beforehand or...

The Chapel in game 3 was never locked, and an accomplice pretended it was when discovering Kanon.

R07 why you not be more careful!!! You locked that Chapel up tighter than a nun's snatch and then pretended the answer was solved completely with just Shkanon....
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>>100390462
SHIT, it's even worse.

I just checked ep 3 again and it's not a master key but a specific key.
There is no ''master key''.

Shannon's body has the key to the 2nd room door.

Give me a minute to post the cap.
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>>100390932
>>100391015

>The gag endings on OMK are what R07 actually wanted as canon.
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>>100341562
> With a bang the door burst open, and...and Hideyoshi in just his underpants came barging in!
Holy fuck
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>>100390462

The Chapel wasn't locked.
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>>100391423
>The Chapel wasn't locked.

Don't we have Battler with the party claiming that the Chapel was indeed locked when they discovered Kanon's corpse?
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>>100391423
Each of the 6 rooms were locked in accordance to Beatrice's locked room.
Meaning they were all locked.

>>100391707
They don't mention ''the chapel being locked'' but Virgilia mentions that ''this goes on for all the six room.
Room A has key B which they go to Room B that has key C and go to Room D which has key E, etc.

It's truly a closed room.
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And just in case someone wanted it.
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>>100391951
Well considering we have dealt with fake deaths/corpses before, I am going to go back to what I said earlier about a prepared "corpse" that looks like Kanon in the Chapel prepared in advance.

If they are dumb enough not to notice Shannon and Kanon aren't actually dead its possible to pull off a fake corpse.

As to the key to the Parlour in the Chapel, all Shannon needed to do was use her masterkey to enter the Parlour, and escape after its taken by using the now broken window which can be locked and unlocked from either side.
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>>100392253
...but that said it goes against R07 mentioning the Chapel being unlocked at some point in the interview.

>If you give it some common sense, at that point there was no hypothesis made about the locked room of the chapel. No one came close of the chapel, it was just thought of as locked.

I don't know what the fuck he means here, they clearly visited the Chapel to find Kanon and its at least assumed to be locked and someone used a key on it. As I said the one holding the key might have pretended to unlock it like Rosa did in Ep 2.
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>>100392481
But the fact that they don't mention who the person is holding the keys makes it impossible.

In ep 2, it's clearly mentioned that no one actually touches the Chapel door except for Rosa and only she unlocks the door, so it's very easy to claim that Rosa simply faked the door being locked.
But since ''the entire family'' moved from one place to another, it makes it impossible that this unknown family X faked opening the door, especially if Ryukishi mentions that the Chapel door was closed.
And Beatrice's closed by definition implies that all the 6 rooms were all locked.
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>>100392608
Beatrice's closed room*
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There's an obvious solution here.

Beatrice used her magic to both unlock and lock the Chapel.
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>>100390782
>Virgilia's tastes are similar to mine.

Now I know why she's my favorite witch.
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>>100392481
But does she explicitly include the chapel as being locked in red? I mean its all well for her to say all this >>100392117

but that only pertains to method of locking and unlocking, and not to the current state of the door in game 3.
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>>100393001
Oh course.
6 bodies, 6 rooms. The chapel is included in that number.
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>>100391951
notice how as they start explaining what happens with the chapel, Virgilia cleverly stops using the word "unlocks" in the description of events....but I would think it would be implied and Battler would have picked up on the chance of a room in the chain of being open.
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>>100393001
Red:
>When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit
>It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key

The Chapel is completely locked.
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>>100393151
Yeah but she says yes when Battler asks if this continues like
>find room
>locked
>unlock
>find master key
>find specific room key
>go to specific room the key belongs to
>etc
And says yes for all the rooms. So all rooms can be considered to be locked.

There really is nothing to mention other than Virgila offhandedly quickly skips over them after Battler asks if they are all like that and the events already took place in the real world so the meta would not be able to affect the game itself. And Battler himself was with the family going from room to room together.
And at that point in the game Virgilia helps Battler and has no use tricking him.
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>shit that is completely sealed.
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Battler is definitely the worst, he was the last string to not going full fantasy (even if all the discussion of mystery were done by fantasy standards), and with some lazy excuse for ignoring the fact that he abandoned his resolve for some witch womb, he literally became a witch.

Therefore, after EP4 (and Ryukishi's gay lover death) Umineko went downhill.
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>>100394149
>dat autism squeal.

K1 > Battler any day every day.
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>>100394324
You know, reading this again, I'm getting KlK vibes.
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>>100390281
>I honestly have nothing. And I don't even think it's possible to lock it from the inside.

Why not, exactly? Beatrice threw all this red at Battler, and all of his theories were based on the idea that someone went into their room, locked the door from the inside, and then accidentally died in there or deliberately killed themselves. Theories which Beatrice never denied on the basis of "they couldn't have locked it from the inside," simply that no one killed themselves.

It's perfectly possible for Kanon to have gone into the chapel, locked it from the inside, and then played dead.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMUZg3liI4
Best
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>>100395306
Continuing, context matters with the red. This:

>No device exists which can lock them [doors in ep 3] without a key, such as an auto-lock.

Was in context of stopping Battler from using dumbass theories about the killer murdering the victims and then using a remote lock to lock the doors from far away. Putting the chapel aside, Kumasawa was murdered in a normal guest room, and Genji in the honored guest room. The idea that it's impossible to lock these doors from the inside is pretty stupid, which is why Battler continues theorizing about it and Beatrice never denies it on that basis.
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>>100395306
You fucking don't understand.

The rooms can't autolock. >>100392117
The key to the Chapel was found in the boiler room with Kinzo, which is also locked with the other masterkeys and other specific keys lcoked in their respected room.

From the time the family discovers Shannon, Shannon has no keys and all the rooms are locked and no one can help her since the entire family is moving together.

How can Shannon go to the Chapel, lock the door from the inside and then make the Chapel key go in the boiler room?

There is only one chapel key and only the chapel key can lock and unlock the chapel, which goes in the boiler.

I don't know why you think it's fucking simple for Kanon to simply lock it from the inside when we don't find the Chapel key on Kanon (which he would have needed to lock) but the Parlor key and a masterkey.

The point of the auto-lock was that Shannon could have simply gotten out of the window, walked to the Chapel, closed the door and autolock. The red rejects that idea.

Now tell me, how did Shannon go in the Chapel, lock the door and leave the key in the boiler room that was also locked with Shannon not having any of the 5 keys (said in red) to open it.

Checkmate.
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>>100375989
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here because you're an incoherent moron, but it sounds like you're making up retarded fanfic that has absolutely no basis. An ordinary guy like Gohda has trouble saying with a straight face a dumbass fucking story like red-eyed Kanon murdering Nanjo and Kumasawa but gets a grip when he can follow Genji's lead.

That's all there is to it. Just like your autism regarding Yasu continuing the epitaph killings in EP3, because she didn't know the epitaph had been solved, there is a perfectly rational explanation but you can't help but be a gibbering retard screaming that it doesn't make sense because you don't like it.
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>>100395711
Autolock is not the same as locking from the inside, you fucking retard. Which is never denied. Battler makes multiple theories on the basis of someone locking the doors from the inside and dying, and Beatrice never, ever denies them on that basis.

The chapel was left unlocked from the night before. Shannon set up all of the closed rooms except Kanon's, left the chapel key on Kinzo's corpse. As the family went around the closed room circle, she changed to Kanon, went into the unlocked chapel, locked it from the inside, and played dead. The end.
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Threadly reminder that episode 8 is the best one. Also Higanbana is worth reading.
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>>100395904
Oh my fucking god, we're talking about ep 3 where there is only one key to the chapel which is found in the boiler room >>100339994

KANON LOCKED HIMSELF IN THE CHAPEL WITH THE KEY ON THE INSIDE.
IF HE LOCKED HIMSELF ON THE INSIDE, HOW WAS THE CHAPEL KEY ABLE TO GET INTO THE FUCKING BOILER ROOM

Can you even fucking read?

And more red truth about the Chapel.
>Only one key to the chapel exists
>It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key
>When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit

How was Kanon able to lock himself from the inside WITH THE KEY TO THE CHAPEL and put the Chapel Key in the boiler room with Kinzo without using any of the masterkeys which were in their respected room that were also locked.
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>>100396052
>How was Kanon able to lock himself from the inside WITH THE KEY TO THE CHAPEL and put the Chapel Key in the boiler room with Kinzo without using any of the masterkeys which were in their respected room that were also locked.
Uh, he tripped the lock from the inside. Do you not understand the difference between a bolt lock and an autolock?
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>>100396052
He didn't need the key to lock the door from the inside as is, you know, completely fucking normal for almost all locked doors. You don't need the key to lock the door to my house from the inside. You turn the fucking lock. But you need the key to unlock it after that from the outside.

Which is why Battler keeps theorizing about exactly that, and Beatrice rolls with it because that's how it worked, only with a fake death instead of a suicide or accident as Battler kept putting forth.
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>>100395786
Let's compare the two for your simple fucking mind.

Shkannon explanation of demon ghost Kanon
>Godha is given a script by Yasu beforehand
>gets a lot of time to practice and go along with the plan
>fucks up and babbles like a moron and needs Genji to cover for him even though Yasu gave him ample time to prepare the story of demon ghost Kanon to make Battler believe in fantasy
>Godha unable to follow a script after been given a long time to prepare
>completely fucking stupid

Rosatrice explanation of demon ghost Kanon
>Nanjo take Kumasawa hostage
>tells Shannon, Genji and Godha that he'll kill Kumasawa if they don't go and tell Battler/Rosa/George that they saw demon Kanon
>Godha is put on the spot and doesn't know what the fuck do say while knowing that if he fucks up, it might get Kumasawa killed

See the fucking difference?
Now tell me with a straight face that Godha is retarded with your theory.
I triple dare you motherfucker.
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>>100396219
>Godha is given a script by Yasu beforehand
Wait, what? No, Gohda has to follow Yasu's and Genji's lead. He wasn't given a fucking script. That's why he stutters and slips all over the place. He's a terrible liar.
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>>100396219
>>gets a lot of time to practice and go along with the plan
Did you mean one night? You know that Yasu picks her roulette accomplices only the night before she starts the murders, right? And you think a suck-up like Gohda is going to be able to follow a script easily in a situation with everyone staring daggers at him and Rosa waving a gun in his face?

>Yasu threatened Gohda into lying, he was nervous and had a hard time with it
>Nanjo threatened Gohda into lying, he was nervous and had a hard time with it
>THE FIRST ONE IS RETARDED, THE SECOND MAKES COMPLETE SENSE
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>>100396219
>>tells Shannon, Genji and Godha that he'll kill Kumasawa if they don't go and tell Battler/Rosa/George that they saw demon Kanon
Why does Nanjo want to make Battler/Rosa/George believe that Kanon came back as a zombie and started playing with his wound. Why not just have them say Kanon is alive?
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>>100396420
Additionally, the mental image of healthy Shannon, knife expert Genji, and bulky Gohda cowering in fear over fucking fat old weakling Nanjo is funnier than shit. Why exactly didn't they just ambush him the second they left Kumasawa?
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>>100396365
"Follow a script" doesn't mean a literal printed out script of words, though. It just means a basic outline that is prone to change based on how people react to the situation. Kanon might not have "died" at all if one of the kids other than Jessica went tearing off to find Beatrice.
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>>100396133
>Uh, he tripped the lock from the inside. Do you not understand the difference between a bolt lock and an autolock?

Anon did say English isn't his first language so it's possible this distinction actually is lost on him.
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>>100329633
>>100329937
>>100330045

These are hilarious, why did I never see them before now?
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>>100396365
The first one is with Genji in on the act.
The second one with without Genji in on the act.

If Genji was in on it, he would have talked first and Godha would not have acted like a madman unable to explain anything.

>>100396504
And yet, Yasu gives a basic outline out of nowhere and places Godha on the spot? What a load of crap.

>>100396420
Rosa asked him to >>100363214
Also the actual explanation is that ''they just saw demon Kano''.

>>100396133
And the difference is?
Van Dine # 1
It is forbidden to have a crime without all clues presented.
Bolt locks are never brought upon or mentioned in any part, nor has the Chapel ever been shown to be able to lock from the inside.
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>>100396133
Wait, no, it is the exact fucking thing.

The only thing you change is that rather than make it automatic, you do it by hand.
It still goes against the red truth.

The door was locked without having the use of a key, which Beatrice says that you absolutely need to lock a door.
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>>100396670
>nor has the Chapel ever been shown to be able to lock from the inside.
Because it's assumed that if a door locks, you can lock and unlock it from the inside. Otherwise it's useless except as a jail cell.
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>>100396670
>If Genji was in on it, he would have talked first and Godha would not have acted like a madman unable to explain anything.
It didn't matter who spoke first. Genji isn't the actual ringleader of the group. He only stepped in when it was clear Gohda couldn't handle it.
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>>100396812
Also, ''No device exists which can lock them without a key'' also includes any form of lock without a key.a bolt lock is still a device that locks a door.
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>>100396747
>which Beatrice says that you absolutely need to lock a door.
No, she doesn't. She says you can't UNLOCK it without the chapel's key. Nothing about being able to lock it without the chapel's key.
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>>100396926
There is nothing to suggest you can lock the Chapel using anything else than a key.

It's the equivalent of saying Beatrice used her magic to lock the door.
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>>100396670
So again, it comes down to "there's a perfectly rational explanation, but I don't like it so I'm going to throw a huge tantrum and scream it doesn't make sense."

Genji is always passive and following Yasu's lead. It's his character. He only speaks up when necessary, and after Gohda flailed around like a fucking retard, he found it necessary.

>>And yet, Yasu gives a basic outline out of nowhere and places Godha on the spot? What a load of crap.

That's a risk she takes with every roulette accomplice. It's part of how Yasu works. inb4 "but I don't like it, so it can't be true."

>Rosa asked him to >>100363214
And why exactly would Rosa ask him to? Oh, so she can murder her daughter because she thinks that will literally cast a magic spell to resurrect Beatrice, I almost forgot.

>Bolt locks are never brought upon or mentioned in any part, nor has the Chapel ever been shown to be able to lock from the inside.

Bolt locks are common fucking knowledge. Do you expect Ryukishi to explain to you exactly how a telephone works when a phone call is a part of the mystery? No, it's something anyone would fucking know.

Except you, I guess.

And bolt locks are shown in the story, though, to humor you. Gohda uses a bolt lock to try to lock Natsuhi's door from the inside.
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>>100396812
>you can lock and unlock it from the inside
Says who?

As said >>100392117 no device exist which locks the door. without a key.
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>>100394149
This, christ.

After episode 4 I was so fucking disappointed with this series.
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>>100397105
>It's the equivalent of saying Beatrice used her magic to lock the door.
No, but it is the equivalent of you showing you have no idea how every single locked door in the world works.
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>>100397105
There's nothing to suggest you can't lock it without a key from the inside, either. "Locked" in this context means trying to gain ENTRY without using a key. Not shutting it up from the inside.
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>>100397212
A device. In context, a complicated device, like an autolock, that allows remote locking.

Reaching out with your arm and turning the goddamn lock with your fingers is not the same thing.
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>>100392117
>all doors and windows are normal

In other words, they're standard, common doors and windows. Which you can lock from the inside. What Beatrice is saying is that they're not wired up with complicated devices.

Unless you're arguing that Rokkenjima has shitty-ass windows that you can't lock even from the inside without a key, wow what a pain in the ass. Imagine Natsuhi having to chase down the servants and demand their keys every time it starts raining through the windows or in the middle of the night when she feels a breeze.
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>>100397284
What is the holy fuck are you talking about

NO DEVICE AT ALL CAN LOCK A DOOR.

Can you not simply understand that?
Be it an autolock or a bolt or a fucking electric lock. No device, only a fucking key.

Can you not see it in fucking red >>100392117 (You).

It's not even with the context. YOU NEED A KEY TO LOCK A DOOR.

>>100397254
>"Locked" in this context means trying to gain ENTRY without using a key. Not shutting it up from the inside.
It means CLOSURE without key.
I read the fucking VN, maybe you should too.
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>>100397423
>how do I reading comprehension
>how do I context

Beatrice is denying the existence, for Battler, of some kind of weird mechanic that allows remote locking. As she said, like an autolock. That's the definition of device here.

Turning the lock with your fucking fingers does not qualify. Like Beatrice said, these are normal doors and normal windows.
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>>100397507
No, she's denying ALL devices, not just specific ones, the autolock was an example.

Why doesn't the lock qualify? Because you say so? Twist the red to your way?

You need a key. That's fucking it.
By normal door, it means there are nothing weird about them, not that they all have bolt or fit within your definition of normal and what a normal door should contain.
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>>100397423
>I read the fucking VN, maybe you should too.
I'm not the one that thinks Rosa packs fake death drugs and sucks out people's love from their dreams. I also understand how doors with locks work. But sure, the mansion and chapel have special locks unlike any other residential locks. That's why Natsuhi has to call a servant to lock her in her room and then let her out in the morning. Kind of a weird set up, but, well, you know. Rosatrice.
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>>100397581
>No, she's denying ALL devices, not just specific ones, the autolock was an example.

Completely wrong. So, unsurprisingly, you can't do context after all.
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>>100397581
A deadbolt is a lock, you twit. Not a device.
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>>100397623
There's actually evidence for that once you read the VN again.
Rosa mentions how she brought a bunch of sleeping agent to shut up Maria in ep 1 and ep 3.

Also, a door not require a lock, a door is blank of wood and does not have a fucking bolt lock on it by design, it's added, which is a fuckig device to close a door.

>>100397632
Red truth is self evident and not within context.

You need a fucking key to close the room. It's in fucking red.

>>100397734
Does it use the Chapel key?
Then it doesn't work.
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>>100397779
>Rosa mentions how she brought a bunch of sleeping agent to shut up Maria in ep 1 and ep 3.
Sleeping pills are not drugs that fake death. Also, I notice you give no explanation for Rosa's obsession with Shannon's love life.
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>>100397779
>a child's sleeping aids
>MEANS FAKE DEATH DRUGS GUYS
Rosatrice, ladies and gentlemen.

>Also, a door not require a lock, a door is blank of wood and does not have a fucking bolt lock on it by design, it's added, which is a fuckig device to close a door.
It is completely common sense and common knowledge that a locked door is going to be lockable from the inside. Almost every door in the world is designed to be this way because it's stupid and absurd to think it isn't. It's not Ryukishi's problem you lack basic, everyday knowledge. Is he going to have to explain to you in vivid detail how telephones work next? Shit, guys, how did Natsuhi pick up that weird object in Kinzo's study and hear Maria's voice! It must be magic!

>Red truth is self evident and not within context.
"I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice."
"Battler is dead."
"You are incompetent."
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>>100397847
>Sleeping pills are not drugs that fake death
They make people sleep, look dead, and only Nanjo examined the bodies.
So it's completely valid.
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>>100397948

Sleeping people do not look dead, holy shit. But considering you don't even understand how locked doors work...
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>>100398053
No evidence or mention of bolts.
Even in the Chapel.

You have nothing to prove other than IT'S FUCKING COMMON SENSE.

While I have the red truth that says it's impossible to lock anything without a key.
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>>100398109
Also Red Truth > Gold truth.

Common knowledge that everyone agrees about doors and bolts doesn't disprove the red truth.
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>>100398109
>can't lock any windows from the inside without a key
>can't lock any normal guest rooms from the inside without a key

No wonder Natsuhi is so high-strung all the time. I wonder how many times she had to phone Genji at 3 AM to haul ass to bring his key over so she could lock her window?
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>>100398182
It's a normal window, no where does it suggest it's locked.
And Beatrice can manipulate the events on the gameboard to her advantage within her context.
SO YES, NASTUHI HAD TO PHONE GENJI EVERY TIME SHE HAD TO GET THE WINDOW OPENED.

And you can't prove otherwise under than by hyperbole.
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>>100398235
>It's a normal window, no where does it suggest it's locked.
It's a normal window in that it CAN lock. You know. Without a key. Like most windows to the outside can.
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>>100398235
>SO YES, NASTUHI HAD TO PHONE GENJI EVERY TIME SHE HAD TO GET THE WINDOW OPENED.

Cool. So we can safely move on and throw this into the pile of stupid shit you vomit out desperately to "disprove" Shkanontrice that no one cares about because it's such a bad argument it treads into comedy, right?
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>>100398345
Red Truth > Gold Truth.
Beatrice definition of the window on the island > most windows

>>100398348
You guys are fucking around with the window shit, not me.

No devices can lock a door, you need a key.
That simply.
Said in red, if you can't get over it, too bad.

The red is truth, it goes above the gold truth that you think all doors have.
Beatrice said so, so just accept it.
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I also find it funny how you guys are so fucking stuck up that you have to go around the red truth.

>the red says that you can't lock the door without a key
>no devices such as an autolock exist
>well obviously you can use another device to lock the door! Duh.
>Context! Context!!!
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So moving on from moronic Rosatrice theories, do you think Kumasawa actually looked anything like Virgilia when she was young, the way Genji looked like Ronove?
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>>100398555
Kumasawa mentions that she used to look beautiful when young, so it's very likely.

Not to mention the Family Crest is shown on Virgilia when we never see it on Kumasawa.
So it's very likely that Virgilia showed it to Beatrice in the past.
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That is honestly all worth it for the "raised as a girl" part. I'd take a fair amount of molestation and attempts at my life for that part
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>>100398721
>I'm fine being raped and having an identity crisis
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>>100398526
No, you're the one who can't understand the obvious meaning when Beatrice states the doors and windows are "normal" and when she gives a complicated, over-technical example of what she means by "device" when she rules them out.

I'm sorry you were so excited about finally disproving Shkanontrice only to reveal once again how stupid Rosatrice is. But we were all very entertained by your theory of how Jessica and Natsuhi just have to get rained on through their open windows in the middle of the night unless they call a servant over.
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>>100398785
I do have an identity crisis, and ive been raped, the "being a girl" part would solve the first bit. If I ever get a son in going to raise him the same, deal with it
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>>100398855
The word normal means that there is nothing wrong with them, not that there is added shit to them.
I'm sorry you can't fucking understand simple basic fucking red truths.

Red Truth > Gold Truth.
Only a key can unlock the Chapel, no devices of any kind can lock a door.

You can't understand that basic fact so you use hyperbole how ''lel isn't it silly that X has to do Y? Yeah, that totally showed him'' and is simply void of anything but mockery. You just act like a child laughing rather than fucking admit that the door cannot fucking close by itself because the red says so.

There is no dead bolt, there is nothing of any kind to suggest this. It's a normal door with one lock and nothing more. NORMAL DOOR WITH ONE LOCK.

Got that?
Good.
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>>100398785
There is no greater joy than being the little girl. Just because some unthankful fucker doesn't appreciate it it isn't less true
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>>100399016
It does make sense how Rosatrice is only believable to someone with unbelievably bad reading comprehension, and can't understand basic context or infer what Beatrice means when she says device from her complicated example, so have fun deluding yourself into thinking you've finally cracked Shkanontrice while everyone else accepts the obvious solution and moves on.
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>>100399229
Have fun deluding yourself that ''no devices'' means ''I can put a device since it's a normal door'' and ignore the red truth.

Believe whatever you want, it's wrong and I've proven it by showing Shannon and Kanon being dead in two separate areas and Kanon being able to lock the Chapel with Device X even though Beatrice said that no such device existed.

So good night and maintain your delusion, Shkanon is broken and separated.
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>>100399016
The line in Japanese is more about emphasizing that the key is the only thing that would be able to manipulate the keyhole, not that the door doesn't have a normal deadbolt. In other words, Beato is cutting off the idea of using a copy of the key or a piece of wire or something Battler pulled from his ass to un/lock it from the outside, not someone locking from the inside.
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>>100399387
Not so broken after all, huh?
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What is the title of the song that plays during this scene in ep8?
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>>100399433
It still doesn't prove that a deadbolt exist. No where else in the story has any mention of a deadbolt nor is it ever used. A chain is frequently used but never a deadbolt,
It's honestly just changing the phrase that rather than Kanon closing the door and the door auto-locks, Kanon just close the door and locks the door manually. It's the same fucking thing.

Either way, Knox 8th.
>It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
Prove to me that a deadbolt or any form of lock other than a chain exist in Umineko and I'll scrap the entire theory.
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>>100407845
I think it was lixAxil, not sure though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiUjogfu2Kw
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>>100394149
>(and Ryukishi's gay lover death)
I still dont know who this guy who died was, but given the impact his death had, I am sure he was a ghost writer.
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>>100387101
Erika.
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>>100408942
Rosa and Lucifer are also acceptable answers.
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>>100408931
It's funny because he's dead and he's now truly a ghost.
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>>100409066
What about Belphegor?
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>>100409066
Don't forget Dlanor.
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>>100409136
I wonder if they get kinky.
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>>100409247
Their relationship is pure
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>>100409561
Erika's definition of pure or pure pure?
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>>100409620
She's the PUREST.
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>>100409778
Dlanor, stop covering for Erika.
You're not fooling anyone.
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>>100409878
You can't say it in red either, can you?
Come on, come on, say in red that Erika is Pure.
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>>100409926
Don't bully Dlanor.
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>>100410187
But that would be bo~ring.
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>>100410367
Will we ever get more Erika from Ryukishi?
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>>100411315
I'm still hoping for that Detective Erika side story

Imagine in the next WtC, some character is reading about ''the glamorous stories of Detective Erika'' or something and all her wacky perverted intellectual rape as she travels across the world.

I honestly hope that's what happens. She's too great of a character not to fuck the world over to discover the truth.
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>>100411596
Maybe they'll bring her in to the next Higurashi, that would be alteast something.
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>>100411922
Nah, Higurashi is about Gods and shit.
No place for Erika, especially in the middle of fuck all rural area.

But man, imagine SPACE Erika.
How fucking cool would it be to see a space detective?
You know, all know metohds of finding who killed who using gizmos and technobabble and shit but good ol' fashion detective works wins out in the end.

I honestly can't wait for the next WtC.
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>>100409136
2gay4me
Atleast Erika showed interest in Battler. I dont think Dlanor is even remotely hetrosexual.
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>>100412229
Battler pls
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>>100412045
>SPACE Erika
That would be awesome, who came up with this, anyway? I remember seeing something like this in the last thread as well. Is it something from Ryukishi?
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>>100412549
Ryukishi recently announced his next WtC project.
First we're getting a small story with Gods in the setting of Higurashi again, meaning we might see the old gang again (And I get to see Rika again).

And in the next winter Comitek, we're getting space WtC.

According to Ryukishi's past interview, it's likely going to be multiple worlds in different locations where curses keep happening for some reason or another.
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>>100412662
Also, space Rika.
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>>100412320
Dlanor pls go. Yuri a shit.

>>100412662
>Space WtC
W-what? The man has lost it.
Will there be moon tourism?
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>>100412662
>First we're getting a small story with Gods in the setting of Higurashi again, meaning we might see the old gang again
He better have canonically shipped Mion with K1.
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>>100412734
Obviously.
Can you even imagine it?

The space techno sounding music?
The moon tourism?
Space detective?
All those Sci-fi nods if Ryukishi is a westaboo.
All those historical accuracy prediction of space travel and shit.

I honestly can't wait.

>>100412766
Hopefully. But K1 is dense as fuck and Mion is too shy and girly to make the first move.
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>>100412662
That's great news, I only heard that Higurashi is getting more, I was kind of disappointed.

>>100412734
Yuri is okay.
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>>100412876
>But K1 is dense as fuck and Mion is too shy and girly to make the first move.

In Kira she tried.
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>>100412662
How does a dude not manage to get better at art at all over all these years? How? Like he improved from Higurashi to Seacats but this?
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>>100412662
Oh, and before I leave.

Here's the translation on the pamphlet.

And now, for a tale of the future.

Three worlds draw a spiral. Who is it at that lies at the end?

One world exists in the distant future.
The General Earth Alliance advances into outer space. Past the sun, they voyage into the depths of the Milky Way.

Now, can you see the tiny fireworks flickering in the depths of space?

Those tiny fireworks, they are the light of the 200 pentillion warships from both sides of the UA$ galactic war fleet, sunk in space warface that has endured from the beginning of civilization.
Both sides, having amassed immense losses from war in the depths of space, avoid galactic conflict.
Several colonial planets, last thought of in a time before the Galactic Century, shall be entrusted to become the location for the war's skirmishes.

Coming in Winter 2014!

I tried so hard not to translate 連邦 as Federation. Ryukishi pls no Gundam.
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>>100413133
>That summary
H-how is this a mystery?
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>>100413133
Thanks for the translation.
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>>100413266
Ryukishi might be trying something different, which is okay, but I'll miss his mystery.
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>>100414002
>I'll miss his mystery
After how Umineko was handled, I wont.
He was a dick to his fans.

But I assume this wil be a mystery given its WtC.
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>>100396812
AHAH, I have the exact counter for this specifically dealing with the Chapel. When you mentioned "jail cell" it reminded me;

>Beatrice "killed" Ange by some method in the EP8 during a duel with her.

>Ange eventually figures it out by saying; "You killed me by locking me in here."

Meaning that if you lock someone in the Chapel and they don't have the only they can't escape. So yeah for that definition it can work as a jail cell.

Another thing you guys have to remember is that Rokkenjima existed in the 80's and built some 40 years earlier. Its also a classical Western style mansion which is particularly antique feeling.

Old western locks, as recent as 50-60 years ago used a key or skeleton key without a bolt mechanism. You can still find tons of locks like this today in England and Europe.

Now, given what we was said by R07 about the chain room trick I would be forced to conclude that the chapel hadn't actually been locked at any point. Especially given how evasive the wording about discovering the chapel is, and no one providing screenshot red that the chapel was explicitly locked when they found Kanon.
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>>100414277
So, are you saying that you didn't enjoy the mystery at all? He might come up with something better.
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>>100414419
>So, are you saying that you didn't enjoy the mystery at all?
Oh I enjoyed it. Then Chiru happened and ruined everything. Any enjoyment I had vanished, because it all leads to that abortion. The only things I liked in Chiru was Erika and the soundtrack.
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>>100414277
>He was a dick to his fans.
Not ending the story the way you wanted is not the same as being a dick to you.
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>>100414501
>Anyone who dosent accept my bullshit is a goat.
>Without love it cannot be seen. Stop paying attention to my bullshit writing.
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>>100414622
Learn the true meaning of those sentences, goat.
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I literally just realized that Jessica was in love with her cousin, uncle/aunt, and adopted brother.
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>>100414501
He pretended to have this amazing mystery, like he was boasting and then he gave us this. And everyone who disagreed was a goat.
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>>100414852
Great, right? Jessica clearly hit the incestous jackpot. Maria, Natsuhi and her are the only people who really didnt deserve all of this shit. Also all the Shannon and Jessica scenes are just sad reading them again
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>>100333895
>virtual novel
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>>100414852
Is that bad?
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I would let Kinzo impregnate my boypussy and rape our child.
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Hate to break it to you guys but Ryukishi fucked up Umineko and has written two more stories since then, both of them were average at best. If you expect any more out of the next WtC then you'll be disappointed.
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>>100416501
I'll read it anyway.
Didn't finish Rose Guns Days yet, but I think it's okay.
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>>100416501
What else did he write?
Aside from RGD.

Looks like Higurashi will be his best thing. Oh well.
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>>100417372
I believe he means Higanbana.
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>>100413266
It's a mystery because murder will happen along 3 different worlds ''three worlds draw a spiral'' and considering what I heard in another interview, those three worlds will experience the same mystery/curse and maybe timeloop shenanigans. BUT IN SPACE.
I remember Ryukishi moaning how WtC was getting stale since it was a closed catbox and people would know what to expect from his next WtC and that he got bored of the series. So now we're getting an opened 3 cat box that are connected in some way. IN SPAAAAACE.

>>100414002
Trying something different was RGD and Higanbana.
He had a good period of time off. He knows what he's doing.
We're getting a mystery in space.
It'll be good and Ryukishi showed that in RGD that he can create a much better flow and learned from Umineko to deliver on the mystery answer. If you look at all his works, he progressively gets better in key aspects and parts.

>>100414863
He never pretended anything. It was clear the moment you understand Beatrice's power (repeat shit endless number of times without fail) that Ryukishi was never going to give an answer.

>>100416501
Rose Guns Days is actually pretty good and Ryukishi proves that he can do a streamlined story while keeping his natural mafia/conspiracy/over the top story while having variant themes and still have a blast, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about and Higanbana is a collection of small stories which were damn good for what they were. The first part was quite enjoyable. The second part should finish being edited this winter or so and I hope it's as good as the first.

The only one that was mildly meh imo was Lucia's route in Rewrite but I suspect it was more on the part of the editing team who didn't rewrite and fix his story as he was the one who finished his route first and things likely got changed and it shows while reading.

Ryukishi is still a god in my eyes.

>>100417372
Both Umineko and Higurashi are his masterpieces. But for different reasons.
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>>100412662

What the fuck? Is this a joke?
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>>100408664
>No where else in the story has any mention of a deadbolt nor is it ever used.
In EP2, a deadbolt is mentioned when Gohda struggles to lock Natsuhi's door. Therefore deadbolts do exist on the island and it's not resolving the case without clues that weren't presented.

>>100414363
>Meaning that if you lock someone in the Chapel and they don't have the only they can't escape.
The word used for "locked" in Japanese in this case is completely different from the word "locked" in the red you were using to claim that Shannon and Kanon were two separate people. This "locked" is used in a general "sealing" sense. There is no implication of a keyhole, or a lock you turn a key to in order to lock. It just means that entry (or in this case exiting) is barred by any means. In this particular case it was with magic, but if you're still going to argue "real life" it could be as simple as someone nailing a piece of wood over the door.
As people have been trying to explain to you, context matters. It matters especially in a translation where these nuances are difficult to get across. Don't assume context is the same for everything.
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