Burn this disgusting trash.
Homu a worst.
Thanks to Homura the kill count of the series is literally negative. There are more magical girls alive and well in Mitakihara than there were at the beginning of the show.
>another small-minded fool who can't accept that Homura was right
you almost had it right
Don't tip your fedora at me, you fuckface. You ruined our goddess and saviour. ;_;
It all makes sense.
>Homura is Kawaii
>can't be helped
wrong wrong wrong. Homura only AI YOs one thing.
Homura became a better goddess.
She appears able to use her demon powers any way she wants rather than being restricted to a single purpose like Madokami.
>She appears able to use her demon powers any way she wants rather than being restricted to a single purpose like Madokami.
This is not necessarily a good thing.
Though it certainly has been so far.
>she has more power so she is better!
What could possibly go wrong when a Madoka-obsessed autistic lesbian becomes all powerful?
>Devil transformation was right group and
>Damnit QB change places with me group
I want Akumura to do things to me.
Also she accidentally created a better universe than Madoka did while trying to improve it.
I've watched it twice and I'm still buttmad.
Why, anon? What hasn't improved?
>tfw Homura stole your smile
I never really cared about Homura when I watched the TV series, but after Rebellion, jesus christ, Homura a shit, Homura a worst. Where is the sequel where Madokami reawakens and wipes her from existence?
Madoka you ungrateful little shit.
"pls no meguca, am die" - Madoka
"k" - Homura
>tfw homu stole christmas
As a Madokafag, I guess I was just in for suffering.
My brother of African descent.
But there was a ton of suffering in the movie, anon. Even at the end when Madoka was happy, Homura still couldn't into luminous.
Or do you just mean Madoka's suffering?
>Madokami reawakens and wipes her from existence?
You a shit, you don't even understand Madoka.
though I also want someone to wipe homura from existence, I really doubt it will be madoka, besides killing Mami to defend Homura, I doubt Madoka has the ovaries to kill anyone God or not
That's because Madoka gave her a chair.
How could you want something like that? What's wrong with you? Are you Sayaka or something?
Madoka's suffering, yeah. The other suffering was pretty bad but it didn't hit close like when you fag a character, if that's the best way to describe it? Madoka getting split and trapped was pretty sad for me. ;_;
That wasn't nearly as sad as Homura getting left all alone in Madokami's universe being the only one who remembered her.
>like when you fag a character
>all the girls fight so Homura can be saved
>Madoka herself comes to save her
>she doesn't give a fuck and flips everything upside down (for the second time)
>traps madoka on her universe against her will
>pic related mfw
I'll give you that it appears the other girls are alive and alright, but I still feel things could have turned out a little better if Homura hadn't went full homo
>In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony kami's blessing, but because I am aware of my own AI YO
Reminder that the people that don't want a sequel are the people that thought Rebellion was a good end
If Gen doesn't un-quit the Madoka franchise, I may end up rioting in the streets.
I'm sure that will make a difference.
Yeah I want a slice of life S2 dammit.
Sorry that I save the saviour and becomes the True Saviour by saving everyone
Homura should have talked it over with Madoka instead of ripping her apart with no warning. But I do think that taking that power and putting the Incubators in their place was a good thing to do.
>all the girls are alive
>Nagisa shows up to be Mami's loli, with no loss of heads
>Madoka managed to convince Homura that she would never want to leave her family and friends with their talk on the flowery hill and her memories from timeline 3
>Homura becomes a goddess herself, while still existing as a sorta-human in the universe
>incubators now taking orders from homu
Sometimes Homura has to do what's best for Madoka, even if she doesn't like it. Madoka is too self-sacrificing for her own good.
It was a good end, but I want a sequel anyway.
I need my suffering
Nah. Without Gen, we are more likely to get a happy ending, right?
I don't get it, I agree that since he created the series he should be the one to finish/continue it, but people talk about him like he's the only one who knows how write a plot full of suffering and sad endings
She did, at least with part of Madoka.
This smile is more true than bitter smile of Madokami that says "Let's trap inside Yuri Vahalla together forever"
Not with that attitude.
basically this. "No matter what happens, homura is homura yo. I wont do anything like abandon you no matter what happens. Don't give up okay?"
if homura ever failed to keep madoka from reawakening, and madoka remembered everything that happened in the soul gem barrier, she would probably think she fucked up, given that her every action encouraged homura to be have in the way she did.
>bitter smile of Madokami
Of course not. But he does tend towards bittersweet endings, and a sequel needs to have a happy end where Homura and Madoka are finally together.
The thing is, Gen's original ending for this movie WAS a happy end (in which Homura just goes to yuri Valhalla), but Shinbo encouraged him to change it. Honestly, I'm fine with someone else taking the wheel.
Is it possible for everything to go perfectly? Will Madoka slowly forget everything about Madokami and be truly happy? Will she fall in love with Homura? Will Sayaka remember nothing else but calling Homura devil? Will Madoka believe it's a cute nickname?
No more tears, only yuri now.
a smile only formed from ignorance.
The same as Madoka, she should talked it over with Homura before making a wish
a good end to the series or a good end?
I thought that was a smug madoka pic from the thumbnail.
>Will Madoka slowly forget everything about Madokami and be truly happy? Will she fall in love with Homura?
That could happen, but I think that Homura would be too guilty to allow herself to have a relationship with Madoka, and she'd try to push Madoka away by playing the villain leading to a breakdown and Madokami awakening again.
it all adds up
Gen is just being lazy and go full fan-pandering mode and giving a satisfied and happy ending. if its end with Homura was bring to Yuri vahalla by Madoka then it will be totally unlike him since he never giving a happy ending.
Shinbo and Iwakami saw through that and giving the idea to encourage him to write something that meant to be his true style.
Homu rape is best rape.
Homura might have the courage to grab Madoka and hug her, but she'd never go beyond that.
Rape will happen in the other direction.
Yeah, probably that's the case, the fact that Shinbo and Iwakami want more money has nothing to do.
Either way is acceptable.
Yup, main reason was to allow a continuation. Madokami-takes-Homura-away leaves only Mami and Kyouko behind, so further story possibilities are next to nil. The end of Rebellion has the entire cast plus one back on Earth.
I didn't expect Homora to do what she did at the end of rebellion, because of that I would be surprised if she pulled that one in a future sequel
Well Madoka and Homura both resurrected two people, so they're even on that count.
No one expected what happened in Rebellion, the common speculation was that dying would be the happiest end possible for Homura because she'd get to be with Madoka.
And honestly I think that's still true.
>No one expected what happened in Rebellion
Many people expected Homura to rebel against Madoka in some way. Not only did the title give it away, but it was one of the two major directions the series could go.
I mean with rampant speculation someone's bound to have gotten close to what happens, but I don't remember anyone thinking that Homura would usurp Madoka and become a god herself. It didn't help that the previews were incredibly misleading.
I remember Shinbo or someone joking about it being called "Kyuubey's Counterattack" or something, and so there was a lot of speculah about him trying to capture Madokami and reinstate witches. Which ended up being true. I expected Homura to die and get Valhalla'd, not what we got.
>Many people expected Homura to rebel against Madoka in some way
Stop lying, anon, most thought it was the incubators.
The trailer was certainly scary. I thought Homura was kil.
>previous previews all misleading
>no one knows what will happen for Rebellion
>Rebellion BD preview
>it shows Homura usurping Madoka
That preview is bullshit, they basically spoil the entire plot.
They probably just assumed that everyone and their mom already seen the film in the cinema.
Well she certainly wanted to be kill.
You must have not been here, anon.
Who Saya here?
That's just because she got a bit witchy.
Normal Homu just wants her Madoka.
Reminder that Homura's movie thighs are canon
why do I still have this stupid thing I made.
Why is she so perfect?
I was here, most thought that she simply was going to commit suicide or that in some way Homura was immortal and QB were the ones doing the rebellion and try to bring back witches.
That's silly. You're silly.
If you don't remember the people saying that Homura would go against Madoka in some way, you weren't here.
Sayate a best
Sayaka best! Good taste, /a/non.
That fucking joke.
Sayaka best onee-chan.
dont wake the witch
Just leave her alone
She just wants to sleep
She got the kid and she got herself a waifu.
I want Sayaka to be my onee-chan and drill JUSTICE in my brain and lifestyle
It's just not the same without the QUALITY...
But she's the devil now, isn't that to be expected?
They can just make Homura recover from despair and continue to be Madokami's underdog and continue to fight forever.
That will pander the fan like you more than the ending of rebellion and can continue for more season of slice of life written by Ume.
the face of nightmares holy shit
I wish she did it more often
I keep saying this, but Bebeface fella doujin when?
>"I just wanted to eat cheese again"
>Mami was the cheese during the song
Nagisa confirmed for next villain
What happened to my Homucult bros?
I feel like my Queen has been under far too much fire lately.
You're still saying your Hail Homu's every day right?
I want the heretics to leave.
go pray to your bitchgod elsewhere, infidel
Well while Homu is my queen, Mami is my goddess.
Don't be silly, Mami's not even an angel. Maybe she could get sainthood status after death, though.
Yes, I'm just biding my time and money to set up a blood pentagram shrine covered in homu merchandise.
Why would any sensible Homufag shitfling here with othergirlfags when they could be worshiping Homura?
You don't need to be an angel to be a goddess.
Pretty sure you do have to be a goddess to be a goddess.
Mami is a star, the brightest even! Of course she's a goddess.
And Mami is a goddess, good that we reached an agreement.
Homura is an emo slut. Mami-san is classy and refined, like old wine.
I'm sorry Mami-san, you can't become a goddess just by putting on a fancy flowy dress.
Please don't bully Homura, she is sick and need all the care in the world.
Fellow Mamibro, we mustn't make waves with the HomuHomus. We have to work together with them to root out the lesser meguca.
Heh I'm certainly interested in her world. Or her plans in it. But I'm at her side
>Thinking about Homura makes me happy.png
Homu only needs her lesbian goddess waifu to feel good. She wouldn't care for an /a/non worshiping her.
You mean Sayaka? She's not that bad, but I guess the others are better.
Homura is the Edward Cullen of anime but a mahou shoujo instead of a vampire, discuss.
what the fuck are you talking about
Just fuck off.
So long as the Sayaklan stay in line that is.
I don't know about him because I'm not into terrible literature and movies.
I'm not "into" the series either, but it was a pop culture phenomenon and so I researched it.
You think you can keep JUSTICE down?
Not when "JUSTICE" destroys itself in every timeline!
But Mami is TRUE JUSTICE, Sayaka is just a wannabe that can't do what is necessary.
That was all in the past. We're over that.
I think I might finally watch Rebellion tonight.
I'm pretty much bound to hate the plot if I already dislike Homura, right? I'll try to see the good in it.
Mami didn't had a hard life and has seen some serious shit. All she wanted was someone to share with and Sayaka ended up dragging her down.
You'll love it. At least the music anyways.
You don't need to be a hero to do TRUE JUSTICE, just see any antihero.
My friend loved it and she hates Homura.
>Mami didn't had a hard life and has seen some serious shit. All she wanted was someone to share with
Sure, that's fine. It doesn't make her a real hero of justice though. That's just part of her facade.
Does she like hold out her soul gem and then drop it? That's interesting. Hanokage has some interesting ideas.
Too bad she kind of screwed up Homura's lips here.
>Mami didn't had a hard life
Someone kill me.
Mami really did believe in her cause though. She was a good role model, even though she was scared and lonely, she was strong for her kouhai.
I'm dying here.
If you hate Homura why are you watching Madoka in the first place?
She believed in her cause, but not to the exclusion of all else. She was willing to drop it if keeping it would mean losing her friends again.
Hopefully, that guy from /u/ translates and typsets once scans are out. He did such a great job for volume one.
Man, only for fact that the manga leaving aside some of the symbolism (like the window at the end), the manga is definitely better than the movie.
I find it unfair that only Madoka and Homura got Ultimate forms.
Now I want every girl from the quintet to achieve a Ultimate form too.
Is that supposed to be Homulily's eyeball? What is it doing? I'm lost.
But I'm okay with that, it means she's human and has her limits. So what she isn't MarySue tier justice, she's a hero at heart and if she had met at least one person in that world with her moral strength and purity, everything may have been okay.
You can't just go around handing out divine power like candy, it's kind of a rare thing.
About that... I'm THAT guy. Once CDjapan stops being a jackass I'll get all the volumes to scan them, since it's impossible for us to get raws online anymore.
Yeah, they're crying.
homuhomu's eyes fell out.
Nah, some of the movie visuals were beautiful, that cannot be replicated in the manga.
Sayaka, stop stealing Madoka's Ultimate form. Go find your own form, you bitch.
Her ultimate form is octavia.
Well, again, that's fine. It still means that Sayaka goes farther when it comes to "JUSTICE".
Oktavia isn't just her witch?
Wouldn't that mean that Madoka's ultimate form is Gretchen?
Nice, hopefully they stop being a nuisance and ship as soon as possible. Good luck and thanks for your contribution.
>Was it rape?
Yes, and that's her limit.
No she doesn't. Mami lost her way from years of loneliness and her idea of "not being a hero" meant being friends with Sayaka. Sayaka secretly wanted Hitomi to die for stealing her boyfriend and lost her way in a matter of days.
That sword is too ridiculous.
Moot, now you're just fuckin with me.
She's a god. She can have whatever sword she wants.
I like that sword. In fact, I like the whole picture.
But I really like that sword. I think I'll "steal" it.
Not really, Sayaka is not willing to change her ways of doing things to do what is necessary in the name of justice, Mami is willing to take that step.
You're forgetting that Sayaka's method of trying to be a hero of justice is literally impossible given her abilities. Mami is talented enough that she can fight familiars and witches and still have enough grief seeds, Sayaka simply cannot. If she had enough grief seeds, she could have at least continued killing witches even once she's despaired to the point that she feels she has no other purpose in life.
That's because Mami put in the work and studied hard to master the mechanics of meguca magic.
I'm sure the power to maintain ribbons around the city and twin drill your hair isn't a natural or easy ability to learn. That and Mami only had ribbons to fall under to begin with, she had to learn to craft the guns and she didn't have healing powers.
Wait for April.
She put in lots of work, yes, but she's also more naturally talented. You really think Sayaka could've done the same thing if she'd just practiced? No, she had no time, she was running into a critical grief seed shortage pretty much as soon as she started.
>Sayaka is not willing to change her ways of doing things to do what is necessary in the name of justice
Uh, like what?
>but she's also more naturally talented. You really think Sayaka could've done the same thing if she'd just practiced?
Urobuchi said Sayaka is almost as talented as Mami but because she doesn't train she is shit tiar.
but she didn't. instead she met someone who exceeded her.
The problem is that Sayaka hunted familiars and witches non stop, so she corrupted her soulgem rather fast.
The only reason for the incubator to make a contract with her was to force Madoka to become a magical girl.
Why? homura just wanted the V.
But seriously why?
But Mami wasn't naturally talented. If anything Sayaka had more natural ability since she could form multiple swords from the getgo. Also she had a chance to use a grief seed iirc but she turned it down. I'm sorry but I can't see Sayaka's resolve anywhere near as strong as Mami's.
She didn't lose her way in that timeline, she was just killed in action. A hero's death. Madoka really is the best for Mami.
>We have to work together with them to root out the lesser meguca.
You guys can stop posting any time, that's not work.
I'd like to see a source on that. The actual show heavily implies that Mami is more talented than Sayaka during her conversation with QB in episode 6.
>But Mami wasn't naturally talented.
She was, see above.
I've been meaning to ask this, but does Amazon.jp not export? Do you know?
>you have to like Homura to watch Madoka
Homufags please go.
>Uh, like what?
Let die a few to save many, she could have ignored familiars just for a while until she was strong enough to take witches and familiars but she just isn't willing to change her methods for the greater good.
homura didn't just want the V, she wanted to end this. right or wrong, this is how homura saw things.
you didn't state lose her way, you said she'd be okay. she wasn't okay anon. she died.
So are the movies gayer than the series? They kind of pussyfooted around what a les homura was.
Kinda wrong there on multiple fronts, chief.
Mami's talent is from hard work and trial and error. Sayaka is stated to have a mass amount of potential, and circumstances are what kill her ability as a Puella Magi.
In canon, she's too busy fighting off Kyouko, and then having a breakdown.
In The Different Story, she gets pretty far, and wavers emotionally, but ultimately implodes on herself because the veterans are scooping up ALL the gains and leaving nothing for her to sustain on.
You've technically "seen" what both girls are like at their best if you saw the movie. And I don't mean the climactic battle. I mean specifically the points before that, up to stopping Homura.
Well to be fair it's basically Homura's journey, until she decides to go to heaven.
You're watching the wrong series if you want rude and lewd interaction. The movie is no different.
Is it gay to rub cheeks together?
You don't get talent from hard work. You get it from being born. Different girls have different levels of magical potential. This is stated many times throughout the series. Kyouko and Mami are both more talented than Sayaka. Madoka is more talented than any of them thanks to Homura's time fuckery.
Keep in mind Gin and Doi worked on the scenarios.
I did I suppose. My mistake. Still, it's better than suicide. Mami is suffering.
>So are the movies gayer than the series? They kind of pussyfooted around what a les homura was.
The third movie is the only new one.
It's definitely gayer. Seeing as how Homura rewrites reality with the power of her obsessive love for Madoka.
I don't want lewd, i want massive levels of lesbian subtext.
Letting a few die to save the many wasn't the choice presented to her. It was about letting the few die to save herself. Yes, in the long run she might save more people simply by surviving and killing witches, but only as a side effect of selfishly keeping herself alive. She wasn't willing to do that.
Potential is there from birth. Adapt is the display of potential measured in the eyes of a professional. Talent is the visible display of ability to the masses.
Mami has potential as a magic girl, but, again, not as much as Sayaka. Mami's talent is gained from hard work, trial and error.
And Madoka is the most-talented because her wish wasn't wishy washy to begin with, and she is the one that, out of all the girls, was capable of fighting Walpurgis to a standstill/killing it. Alone.
Reassess what you've seen and read.
There's none. But there's plenty of distorted relationships and adult issues of regret.
yeah, also remember kyuubei is the consequentialist. Letting some suffer for the greater good is exactly why he thinks he's doing no wrong.
>i want massive levels of lesbian subtext.
It's in Rebellion.
"Talent" is what the show calls it, but we're talking about magical potential, here. I'm not interested in a semantics argument over the definition of talent.
>Mami has potential as a magic girl, but, again, not as much as Sayaka
Where is this stated? The entire purpose of the conversation with QB in episode 6 is to establish that Sayaka has less magical potential than Mami, Kyouko, or Madoka, and that's why she needs more grief seeds in order to be able to continue to fight.
>And Madoka is the most-talented because her wish wasn't wishy washy to begin with
Madoka is the most talented because her karmic potential from previous timelines is multiplying her level of power, it has nothing to do with her wish.
>Talent is the visible display of polished ability to the masses.
I'm aware of Mami's skill progression, that's a separate concept from her level of magical potential.
As far as I remember of the buyfag threads, it doesn't unless you use a proxy service, which charge a fee anyway. Besides, I already paid for that. I'm not to worried about that, I used EMS, so once my order is ready it will get here in a week or less.
Well, I guess you can watch a show without liking the protagonist.
We don't need to have this argument again
/a/ does it all the time with harem anime. It's about the same thing here seeing as Homura is equally unlikable as the average harem MC.
>Homura is equally unlikable as the average harem MC
If we're talking magical potential, then Sayaka still dwarfs Mami.
In all mediums of this canon, the point is repeatedly expressed that talent can stem from how strong a person's destiny is, how clear/selfish their wish is, and the karmic gain that stands to be held from their eventual conversion into a witch.
And as we've seen, wishes born from love, twisted or truthful, are rather potent (Kirika, Nagisa, Homura, Sayaka—some of the more formidable and eventually dangerous entities in the canon). Again, it's not something easily dismissed when the source material is not only directly stating so (books released with the first two movies), but also doing so through its narrative on repeated occasions (acceptance of love being key to controlling one's "witch" state, as Kirika and then Homura find out).
>Madoka is the most talented because her karmic potential from previous timelines is multiplying her level of power, it has nothing to do with her wish.
It had everything to do with her wish(es). The first was purely selfish to save a cat. The second was purely selfish to save the smiles of Puella Magi everywhere. The first time, she became someone that could match Mami in a matter of weeks, and became someone that could defend everyone's smiles and lives (vs Walpurgis). The final time, she became a universal force that could neutralize the despair gained by all Puella Magi, regardless of the wish or circumstance, and herald them into a peaceful after existence.
Nuts. I was gonna snatch a few VNs and the Suzuka books from there. CDJapan it is, then.
Well no matter the wish Madoka would have become a strong magical girl in the final timeline, the difference is that her wish created a loophole in the system.
Yeah, it is a bit silly, isn't it?
For my part I think Homura and Sayaka are both protagonists as Faustian characters, while Madoka is the focal character and their Eternal Feminine.
Mami serves to set the tone and Kyouko is a foil for Sayaka.
Yeah, burn the witch!
You're going off on a tangent here. Wishes can influence what a magical girl's powers are, and it's implied that they can have some effect on how powerful they are as well, but magical potential is still a different concept entirely. Sayaka is canonically inherently weak as a magical girl when compared to Mami and Kyouko. Again, watch the damn conversation with QB in episode 6.
>It had everything to do with her wish(es).
Dude, no. You must have seriously missed a big chunk of the series if you think that. Madoka was more powerful in each timeline than in the preceding one, regardless of what her wish was. She was able to make the huge wish she did in the last episode because of her huge magical potential, thanks to Homura's time loops twisting the karma from each timeline together onto her. QB spells this out for you in episode 11.
How do you know she's a witch?
That's fine, but there's two problems with your statement.
The first is the sparse acknowledgement that, in spite of the shape her karma's in in subsequent timelines, the initial timeline has quite the potent Madoka on its own.
The second is believing her wish created a loophole. It didn't. There was no karmic kickback with her wish because it was phrased with clear, selfish intent. For example:
>Other Puella Magi:
"I wish for food but I want a ham sandwich" => Turkey sandwich on rye with dried tomato that someone covets so you get into a fistfight and gain the sads and now are a witch.
"I wish for a ham and cheddar cheese sandwich with mayo and spicy mustard on a croissant" => Gets exactly what she asks for and has delicious sammich
Other wishes have loopholes that go against reality's design and leads to inconsistencies. Madoka's lead to direct results and few inconsistencies (The Different Story notwithstanding).
There was ONE exploit in her wish that made her Madokami: it's that Homura couldn't keep her trap shut. Otherwise, Madoka's wish would have gone off without a hitch for all of eternity.
>the initial timeline has quite the potent Madoka on its own
We don't know how powerful she was exactly. She wasn't useless, but we saw little in the way of her actually fighting. Regardless, it is explicitly stated in the series that she got stronger in each successive timeline.
Someone link the pamphlets from the movie that state the potential abilities of the five girls for >>100334696 please. I can't find them at the moment.
>arguing what Magica Quartet put together
Build the bridge, then get over it.
>We don't know
Did you see a Walpurgis in existence at the time Homura became a Puella Magi?
Congratulations, you now have yourself a bar to measure Madoka's growth against.
a) Mami fought it and died before Madoka went off to fight it. For all we know, Walpurgis had 500/1000000 HP left when Mami died, and Madoka used a soul gem kamikaze attack to take it out.
b) Walpurgis might have just, you know, left. It doesn't stick around forever.
Without any concrete information to go off of, we can say very little about Madoka's powerlevel in the early timelines. This is still all besides the point, which is that Madoka's level of power is higher in every timeline, and she would have been immensely powerful in the last timeline even if she had just wished for cake.
Holy shit she's the worst girl and she just had to be the worst class.
Yeah, this pretty much confirms my assertions that Sayaka is the weakest -- after Timeline 1 Madoka, apparently.
We can say a lot, actually. You apparently don't want to say but one thing.
>Walpurgis comes about
>Madoka and Mami fight it off
>Walpurgis comes to town
>Mami, Madoka, & Homura on hand
>Madoka becomes witch
>Walpurgis comes to town
>Homura & Madoka the only ones left
>Madoka & Homura have enough time to have a heart to heart before going witch
>Madoka uses Sayakalixr on Homura
>Homura reluctantly gives anon the biggest boner suicides Madoka
>Walpurgis is oneshotted by Madoka alone
She's never, ever a weak factor against Walpurgis. Even in the initial timeline, Walpurgis is either fought to a standstill, or outright defeated (double KO), as I originally stated.
All the information is there. You only need to put the picture together.
Are you fucking serious.
See the initial magic, which is what we're talking about.
That's not quite the same thing as magical potential...and it's still lower than Mami's.
I feel like you just completely ignored what I said. There's nothing to actually confirm that Madoka did a large amount of damage to Walpurgis, since we didn't see the fight itself. Again, Mami could have almost brought it down herself before dying, with Madoka only striking the final blow (at the cost of her life) - or, Walpurgis could have simply left. The information is not all there, you're making assumptions.
Is the closest thing we have to official statistics and she is still better than all the others in that respect.
>There was ONE exploit in her wish that made her Madokami: it's that Homura couldn't keep her trap shut. Otherwise, Madoka's wish would have gone off without a hitch for all of eternity.
Also, the Incubators taking direct physical action to screw with you shouldn't count as your wish backfiring; after all, they're the supposedly neutral arbiters and they've resorted to hostile measures.
It's like getting a good wish out of the Monkey's Paw and then it gets mad and starts choking you.
Initial magic is "powers granted upon contracting, such as Time Stop". It is not the same thing as overall magical potential. If we're to use that as a measure of powerlevels, the order would go Homura > Mami > Sayaka > Madoka (final) > Madoka (intermediate) > Madoka (first) > Kyouko.
Which...makes no sense. The Initial Magic stat is just that, a single statistic, it's not meant to represent overall potential.
>Created with the image of 'survival,' Mami's soul gem manifests the power of 'anchoring,' which Mami has developed into 'binding' and 'restricting' magecraft. In addition, using her specialty to its fullest extent, Mami has trained her long-distance attack magecraft, growing into an exceedingly powerful magical girl. Acquiring various other magecrafts such as 'healing,' 'transmutation,' and 'barriers,' she could be said to have a power for almost any situation. Mami is lacking only in melee defense capability, but she covers her weak point by predicting her enemies' actions and taking countermeasures.
>Due to the various conditions of her contract, Madoka is a special magical girl with wildly fluctuating potential. As a new magical girl, she may acquire nothing more than average ability, or she may suddenly awaken first-class magical power. Normally, Madoka will make a trivial wish when she contracts, and as such, her latent ability is unknown.
Wishes don't matter, huh?
I'll recant what I stated on Sayaka until I can track that source I read regarding her abilities.
I never claimed that Mami didn't acquire what she has via hard work, but that doesn't change the fact that she has higher magical potential than Sayaka. They're separate concepts.
Not sure what you mean. Given the nature of the Incubators, on top of their objective and prior actions before the reformation, it was the obvious conclusion that they would go out on a limb to experiment with something they consider a supreme mystery, on top of establishing a potentially higher gain than from the Wraiths if told that such a method genuinely existed.
It would have been out of character otherwise for them not to explore the avenue after being told. In that regard, this is more like getting a good wish from the monkey's fist, then unknowingly jamming it in your own ass because you had something else on the mind.
And I stated specifically that her talent was from hard work, which you doggedly denied. Thus, the impasse. She wasn't exceptionally-gifted, she fought to become a talented vet.
Well, I was thinking of it just in terms of Madoka's wish. Homura did something very foolish by telling them, but from Madoka's point of view when she made the wish, "the Incubators turning hostile and attacking you," doesn't seem like a conventional backfire.
Because her talent isn't from hard work, her ability is from hard work. This is the semantics argument I didn't want to have. "Talent" is used in the series - or at least, in UTW's subs - to refer to a magical girl's magical potential, NOT the expression of her ability. "Talent" is something that is inherent, not learned or worked for. The conversation in episode 6, man, it's all there.
I sorely regret finally getting around to watching rebellion around christmas time last year. that feel still stings
Rebellion was way before Christmas.
>"Talent" is used in the series - or at least, in UTW's subs - to refer to a magical girl's magical potential, NOT the expression of her ability. "Talent" is something that is inherent, not learned or worked for.
In other words, like Sailor Jupiter, Mami was born with the largest "talent".
Sorry, I wanted to say bitch.
yeah that's true. It's hard replicating inu curry style into manga form
Ever seen Space Jam? Talent can be stolen.
Yeah, just see Homura in Rebellion.
>Fake breast radar, positive hit!
Looking now. Using yesy's subs, but it helps to know a bit of moon.
I think the word they're using here is 才能 「さいのう」, which is ability. Sayaka asks やっぱあれ、才能違うとかあるの？ (As I thought, things like talent really differ between [us], right?), to which Kyuubey confirms and reaffirms Kyouko's the vet on top of having some ability.
Though we later come to find this is a jaded view—not only because Kyuubey is guiding that convo in order to pepper Sayaka into asking Madoka to contract for help, but because Kyouko's "talent" is sealed away, meaning all she really has is her ability as a vet.
In any case, he's not differentiating here between innate ability and potential to grow, but instead is stating the difference from the average chick being born (Sayaka) in comparison to a cock who knows the walk (Kyouko), and how the chick should really get the surprise dragon in an egg to help her out (Madoka).
There's a third factor to that idea of talent as well (Kyuubey talking in terms of actual windfall he stands to reap from each contract). In any case, this helped me sharpen my moon a bit more, so thanks for that. I honestly appreciate it.
are you faggots still arguing this
It's okay to be jealous of best meguca, but try not to get so upset.
I don't know why they are still arguing when is reduced to what was said at the beginning, Sayaka is a bit less talented that Mami but if she had trained she could have done what Mami did.
I'm sure Kevin will be along shortly to fellate you to your heart's desire with endless pics and aimless shitposting.
Good to hear.
>As I thought, things like talent really differ between [us], right?
That particular part was in reference to Mami, though - they were talking about Mami not needing as many grief seeds right before that, that's why Sayaka asked about talent.
>the difference from the average chick being born (Sayaka) in comparison to a cock who knows the walk (Kyouko)
But he said that Kyouko has talent in addition to experience, that's the thing - Sayaka has neither.
That's not Kyouko.
She was using Mami as a bar to ask a question, and he agreed to her point, taking on that Kyouko, too, is a vet like Mami. And further adds that it's possible for the tables to be turned should a high-potential person come along and outmuscle them.
>Sayaka has neither.
While I recant Sayaka's whole potential bit, I maintain she had the ability to grow into a strong magic girl. It wasn't going to happen in the main series as she was far too headstrong and chasing after Kyouko. Were Kyouko not in the picture, she could have gotten stronger (but then been a bigger pain in the ass when the love doomed itself between her and Kyousuke).
Rebellion put this on quick and easy display. A knowledgeable Sayaka makes for a dangerous force, even against Homura.
I'm rather late here, but Amazon WILL export things like books and movies, but not figures and certain other exotic things. There's only one shipping option (I think it's Amazon's own branch of DHL) so it can get pretty expensive very fast. Still, if you're getting a lot of books at once I think it might be cheaper than other places.
Potential to grow, sure. It certainly would have helped her grief seed shortage if she didn't have to waste energy getting into scrums with Kyouko. I think it's likely she would have burned herself out hunting familiars anyway, though, since you don't get grief seeds from that either. We can only speculate.
Personally I wouldn't take Rebellion Sayaka as proof of anything, since she's part witch now - she's mastered her despair and uses it to fight. I mean, can she even run out of magic in that form? It's not like she can turn into a witch AGAIN.
What does the text say?
Something in Japanese.
Technically, Soul Gems don't run out of magic. Instead, the soul involved succumbs to its own preset limit, either due to overclocking (using too much MP—Nagisa, Madoka), or through despair (Sayaka, Homura, Mami if she isn't killed). Their magic's infinite. Their ability to wield that magic is not.
I use Rebellion because it gives us just what we've always clamored for: the girls working together at their absolute best. Even if she's a Sayaka wielding despair, she's also a Sayaka awakened to all the experiences she's had in various timelines (only possible explanation for her recognizing Madoka). The real wild card in that case is Nagisa, who apparently didn't even have time to BE a Puella Magi in any timeline before she goes Witch. S'all fun stuff.
>Books & Movies allowed
Symphogear and Madoka binge, here I come.
Witch Doctor Sayaka-kun
>Technically, Soul Gems don't run out of magic. Instead, the soul involved succumbs to its own preset limit, either due to overclocking (using too much MP—Nagisa, Madoka), or through despair (Sayaka, Homura, Mami if she isn't killed). Their magic's infinite. Their ability to wield that magic is not.
Judging by this, Sayaka and Nagisa ought to be able to use magic without limit in and after Rebellion, unless Homura forcibly reverted them to regular magical girls completely.
They might THINK that they can run out of magic though. As far as they know, they're normal magical girls, so they could be restrained by their expectations.
yes, its not Kyouko. She's Homura
You saw the fucking tank that Mami created? I don't know how she could create that and don't go bankrupt, there must be a magic amplifier or something shit in the barrier that QB created.
Maybe. If they are, does that mean that their Soul Gems are fakes like Homura's in the fake Mitakihara?
I think you've mistaken first place with fifth.
That was Homura's barrier though. In that world, everyone gets their soul gems purified by defeating Nightmares, they don't have to share or anything. So they pretty much have all the magic they could ask for. Though I kind of doubt the combination attacks and stuff would ever happen in the real world, it's too "magical girly".
Maybe? Their soul gems shouldn't exist at all, since soul gems are erased when Madoka purifies people.
>Rebellion put this on quick and easy display. A knowledgeable Sayaka makes for a dangerous force, even against Homura.
- Sayaka runaway like a dog when Homura's shield start to spin
- Sayaka change to idiot-mode when Homura clap her hand at the end
So Sayaka is fucking improve because she didn't got bombed by Homura just like in every time loop before the rebllion.
>Sayaka runaway like a dog when Homura's shield start to spin
Uh, as opposed to what? It was never her intention to fight Homura.
>Sayaka change to idiot-mode when Homura clap her hand at the end
Everyone lost their memories.
Their Soul Gems disappear because they become souls in Yuri Valhalla, that means Sayaka and Nagisa are ghosts with solid bodies.
Didn't Sayaka talk shit too, then get kicked in the gut by Homura?
Rebellion got a Japanese Academy nod, as expected.