*1 -- 13,377 *13,377 *1 Free！ 5
*2 -- *7,567 **7,567 *1 Kill la Kill 1
*3 -- *6,090 **6,090 *1 Symphogear G 4
*4 -- *3,616 **3,616 *1 KnK 1【Blu-ray】
*6 -- *1,298 *11,584 *3 Arpeggio of Blue Steel 1
*7 -- *1,075 **1,075 *1 Kyousogiga 1
*9 -- **,969 ***,969 *1 Watmote 4
** -- 8,920 *8,920 *1 Free！ 5【DVD】
** -- 1,778 *1,778 *1 KnK 1【DVD】
** -- 1,635 *1,635 *1 Aikatsu！ 8
** -- 1,221 *1,221 *1 Kill la Kill 1
** -- *,624 **,624 *1 Symphogear G 4
** 10 *,467 14,564 *3 UtaPri LOVE2000％ 7
So considering that KlK was made with a budget of a bag of potatoes and a handful of pocket lint, its probably pretty profitable.
>knk barely made 5k
another signature kyoani flop
Not exactly saving anime anytime soon though?
Still not bad for Trigger's first shot at an animu, I'd say.
The sales average for this season is shit so KnK is not doing so bad.
How about Yozakura and Log Horizon (I know it gets money from NHK, just asking)?
Don't forget about the KyoAni shop!!!
I had no clue there was that many female and homosexual anime fans.
Was Free! seriously that popular?
We'll never know the sales from there though.
>Trigger's first shot at an animu
I feel like you're misrepresenting the situation. Trigger is primarily made up of staff with decades of experience at one of the most profitable and well-regarded studios ever.
Its still a start-up, regardless of the talent behind it.
Not to mention they are probably getting a lot of Khara freebies
It dropped a lot in later volumes though.
V1 sold 32.5k and v5 is now at 21.5k.
First volume of YK did 3k, first volume of Log Horzion doesn't go on sale till the end of this month.
>Anno will never give you a freebie
Well, shit. Looks like no more bassplosions for me.
That first volume of Kyousogiga so low... not like I thought it would sell or anything.
the famous KyoAni shop! Which will push KnK sales into Madokaesque highs.
5.4K counts as "barely 5k?" Where did you learn math? Go be buttmad somewhere else kyoanus
I'm not sure if you realise this but kyoanus is part of a derogatory term for a fan of the studio, that poster clearly is not a fan.
KyoAni didn't find a way.
Did you miss Utapri selling 65k and Basugay selling how much it sold?
Good, Free was a decent show. No homo.
It really isn't all you need to look at is Munto to know that.
What does that have to do with anything? If you're trying to imply that studios that have experienced animators usually sell extremely well then you're fairly deluded.
KyoAni bathing in sweet fujo cash.
GAINAX didn't even sell particularly well a lot of the time.
>the most profitable and well-regarded studios ever.
Gainax has exactly 2 shows that have sold well: Evangelion and Gurren-Lagann.
You actually believed that garbage?
It's got genderbend K-ON characters, of course it will sell.
Mahromatic was huge at the time it aired in 2001 it was the top seller of the year at 15k~.
I can't believe I'm about to go watch Free to see why the hell it sold so much.
muh KyoAnus boymoe
Considering the last anime Imaishi directed sold something like 2-3k I would say just under 10k is progress.
Fujoshi is a growing demographic that happens to have more money than male otaku so by catering to them Kyoani did well with Free. That's about it, if youi're not a fujoshi or gay then stay away and save your sanity.
I'm curious, if KnK is considered a flop at 5k how do other studios even survive?
That's literally the only reason.
They had high production cost for all the bonus stuff, CD, books etc. Also, this being Trigger's first real show, they will probably get fucked by the production committee and only get a tiny share of the profits, as the committee was taking a risk with them. They will surely be able to negotiate better conditions in the future, but for this first work, expect them to get a handshake and $100 worth of McDonald's coupons.
>if a show has male characters it is gay
Go watch Yuru Yuri and jack you dumbass
>happens to have more money than male otaku
I see this mentioned a lot, never do I see any data to back it up though.
Kill yourself, grandpa.
Why is Trigger the only studio willing to take risks?
Delusional faggot detected.
>handshake and $100 worth of McDonald's coupons.
So, like 300% profits.
Yeah. but this was TRIGGER's debut. It didn't matter where the staff previously came from, this is a new studio with little to no budget. considering KLK did this well is impressive.
Their LWA kickstarter project will also be impressive if it sales well.
If Kyoani compares something that sells 30K to something that sells 5K then it is a flop.
Pretty much every studio who doesn't make haremshit or mechashit takes a risk in this industry.
DEEN is a risk in itself.
Why do people care so much about first volume sales? Legs are more important. Basically, not falling off. Shows like IM@S did better than Utapri despite the lower first volume sales because they were more consistent.
But that's not how it works a flop is when something undershoots its production budget by a large margin
>*3 -- *6,090 **6,090 *1 Symphogear G 4
i though symphogear BD will not sell well after the 1st BD. The 1st BD sell count was high because of the concert ticket right?
Never watch symphogear because of the whole "singing while fighting", i ask all of you in this thread... is it really worth watching or not?
The stereotype is that fujoshi can't afford to be NEETS so they tend to have actual jobs and be more outgoing, so they have more money to spend than males. It doesn't seem to be a gender thing, though, because supposedly it's meant to be the same for fudanshi.
Because you are allowed to take risk when you have your finger on the TRIGGER!
I don't get that stereotype, it's not like fujos don't have parents that enable them like otaku
You can enjoy Free! without being female/gay.
Free was pretty fun except for the ending, no homo.
Except this is Kyoani, everyone expects 30k so you hear a lot of kyoanus dead
Also fujoshi can sell their bodies, unlike the typical neet. And no I don't just mean porn, even if a neet wanted to get a job, they'd never be accepted in places like a maid cafe.
So basically it is just something people on /a/ say that has no basis in reality? Sounds like a lot of the 'memes' here based around what nips think and do.
7.5k is pretty good for most anything.
Well I expect fujoshi get more taken care of by their parents, or maybe they got married off in some arranged marriage, housewife's gotta pass the time somehow.
No you can't you closet homo.
It's pretty good
But Aniplex will take it all just like with Shaft shows
8.7 actually DVDs do count.
Kyoani saved anime.
Maybe if you're a faggot who can't into sports and friendship.
KyoAni finds a way
Isn't Yamakan part of the production committee, via Ordet? And he now has massive problems with his own show (WUG) to meet deadlines, could he force some Trigger staff to work on WUG instead? COULD HE FUCK UP KLK?
Most of the times, such problems are solved between studios behind the scenes, quietly, but he was forced to publicly ask for animators via Twitter. I have a bad feeling about this.
Free really did drop a lot didn't it. I guess when there are no tickets or bonuses.
I don't know any KyoAni, only GodAni.
For 95% of anime, those are definitely season 2 numbers.
KLK will probably end up at 10k+ including next weeks sales aswell.
KLK bluray \ DvD have or not eng sub? also they are region lock?
inb4 "bene this new"
Forgive me GodAni for I have sinned
So Kill la Kill confirmed saving anime?
S3 AKB0048 when satelight, youve got plenty of money now!
This whole idea is so ludicrous and poorly formed that I have to conclude this is bait, a poor joke, or that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only v2 and v3 had tickets. V1 managed over 30k, while v4 is at 24.5k with no bonuses.
But that's to be expected when they don't include as many extras as in Chuu2, Tamako or KnK.
Aren't a lot of KlK things sold through Aniplex and not amazon jp anyway?
I always thought stalker points and preorders were a fucking weird way to gauge popularity or sales. Obviously nihongos have to buy their animays somewhere besides just amazon.
That said I'm glad KlK is doing as well as it is doing and I expect it to finish even stronger.
A sound file for you.
It failed to reach Free! numbers (vol. 5 at that), so no.
Maybe Free! saved anime. I don't know.
The final sales figures such as those in OP measure the whole of Japan not amazon. Almost all major retailers report back their sales of DVD/BD/CD/Books etc to Oricon who publish the collated sales figures.
But they build a reputation as a studio that can make an anime that sells. That is just as important.
Next anime they do they will get more budget.
Who buys one fucking volume?
That's informative. Thank you. I wasn't aware the final points were anything other than Amazon's.
Pene pasta new! GJ Newfage
Even worse who buys 2 or 3 then doesn't complete a set of 5.
People who can't afford the whole show.
I would rather buy none that have an incomplete set.
> Japs pay hundreds of dollarydoos for tv shows
Why they aren't more reliant on advertising dollars and just supplement that with merchandising is beyond me. Seems like they would get far more sales overall if shit was cheaper and the money came from elsewhere.
They still want to support a show they like.
A lot of people want to support the studio, so they just buy the first volume if they don't have the money for the whole set.
The base for low cost, high sales isn't there.
This sort of thing is pretty standard with niche hobbies for that reason.
Anime is niche shit and only faggy otaku who live off mommy's mastercard care about it
That is the impression I get, but I wonder if it's the high cost or the subject matter that makes it "not mainstream" or "only for children".
I'd imagine the Japanese could easily make better sales of stuff stateside than in Japan if more effort was put into getting more anime on TV.
no they tried, it failed.
Us whites pirate more than the nips, also murrican nerds already too many geek cultures already to take their sheckels.
Also Nadia, but they don't get shit from that one.
Japs are pretty pirate-happy.
And I've never been to a con, but anime cons are a pretty big deal around here, at least compared to other nerd cons I'm aware of.
>Us whites pirate more than the nips
That's kind of obvious. But again, sad panda and nyaa get most of their visitors from Japan.
>6.5k for Symphogeah
>S3 already confirmed
Life is good
>*7 -- *1,075 **1,075 *1 Kyousogiga 1
Is that good?
Its a veritable flop.
That's poor for most series, very poor, unless there is a another source for income- see Log Horizon and NHK funding.
Well that was probably to be expected.
It was indeed expect, sasuga Japan.
Yes, it's worth watching.
This just makes me feel bad. Kyosougiga had so much potential that was just ignored in the series.
That's rather poor because not only did volume 1 include the first two episodes, it also included all the ONAs.
>that many DVD
Fucking fujoshits and their love for naked boys.
No it didn't include the ONAs.
since we're on the subject of this weeks sales, here's the current volume 1 ranking until Mania stops being dead.
26,601 *4 Infinite Stratos 2 [DVD+BD]: 2013/10/30
12,634 *3 Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio -Ars Nova- [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/27
*8,788 *1 Kill la Kill [DVD+BD]: 2014/01/08
*8,327 *2 Non Non Biyori [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*6,370 *2 Yowamushi Pedal [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/20
*5,800 *1 Machine Doll wa Kizutsukanai [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*5,394 *1 Kyoukai no Kanata: 2014/01/08
*3,855 *1 Kakumeiki Valvrave season 2 [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*3,374 *1 White Album 2 [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*3,010 *1 Yozakura Quartet ~Hana no Uta~ [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/18
- - - - - - - - - - - Manabi Line (2,899) - - - - - - - - - - -
*2,056 *1 Yuusha ni Narenakatta Ore wa Shibushibu Shuushoku wo Ketsui Shimashita. [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/27
*1,776 *1 Tokyo Ravens [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*1,770 *1 BlazBlue Alter Memory [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*1,766 *1 Freezing Vibration [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*1,560 *1 Outbreak Company [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/18
*1,534 *1 Walkure Romanze [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/27
*1,144 *1 Nagi no Asukara [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/20
*1,098 *1 Golden Time [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
*1,082 *1 Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Love Comedy wo Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/27
*1,075 *1 Kyousougiga: 2014/01/10
*1,030 *1 Sekai de Ichiban Tsuyoku Naritai! [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/12
**,882 *1 Galilei Donna [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/13
**,795 *1 Gingitsune [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
**,*** *0 Coppelion [DVD+BD]: 2013/11/27
**,*** *0 Diabolik Lovers [DVD]: 2013/11/27
**,*** *0 Meganebu! [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/20
**,*** *0 Samurai Flamenco [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
The naked boy is in the last volume.
This one had an event ticket.
Valvrave better than expected.
I guess Volume 0 is getting ignored for Kyousogiga? because that sold like 1.6k.
>*1,770 *1 BlazBlue Alter Memory [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
Why did you sell at all?
>SamFlam and Coppelion wont even register
Totally deserved that.
Included DLC for the game.
While this thread is being helpful, spoonfeed me something.
I'm aware of what the Manabi line represents- where something breaks even- but where did the name come from? I get it is, or was, a 2ch thing. I guess there was a show named that that never quite got past the point of anything other than simply breaking even.
I do think it's unfair to call it a "manabi line" when all series will obviously have different production values. I mean I can't imagine anyone expected BB alter memory to actually turn a profit- it was just advertising for the games.
Oh fuck you man I spit my coffee out.
A fujoshi wouldn't do that. A guy giving her the dick is a guy not giving the dick to another guy. This would shatter the fantasy. What's the point in being a fujoshi if you don't fantasize about all the guys you know being gay?
As stated above: "they tried, it failed."
During the boom the same people who were reading comic books were the same ones buying anime. It gave off an image of "uncool" or "nerdy."
At this same time Pokemon was at the forefront, when it was made public that this was also a part of that anime phenomenon if gave off a "childish" vibe.
Oh and the hentai that parents were accidentally buying their kids created mass hysteria.
Now with it's perverted, childish, uncool, nerdy persona it quickly fell into a niche. Nobody was willing to take the time to look past the unfortunate image it had gained.
Soemone on staff of Manabi Straight stated they needed to sell that much to break even.
First vol. sold 10k
>Outbreak Company and Yuushibu under Manabi Line
>Meanwhile IS2 sells 26k
Yeah, that is unfortunate.
But even though it's not stuff I would ever own, I still see stores selling FMA merchandise, or Naruto shit, or whatever. I'd imagine good targeted marketing could make it work, at least in a limited fashion.
Selling something like SnK to Hot Topic customers, for instance, seems like it would be the easiest thing in the universe.
I guess I'm a littlle bitter because I'd also like to see other traditionally japanese entertainment types come into being in the West. I'd like for more VNs (not necessarily the same style as most Japanese stuff, but if you've played something like Long Live the Queen, you could see stuff like that could maybe make it here) and maybe LNs to take off. LNs really just remind me of something like Animorphs or Goosebumps used to be when I was in middle school anyway- short, poorly written stories by legions of ghostwriters that nonetheless are entertaining and fast to read.
Do we really need to have discussions about why DVD/BDs cost so much every day?
To be fair all 3 are moeshit and shouldn't be allowed to prosper.
Outbreak company is literally about moeshit, but I guess at least Yuushibu tried to be a retail version of Hataraku Mao Sama, except Hataraku was way funnier.
>*1,082 *1 Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Love Comedy wo Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/27
Next good comedy anime confirmed for 2414
Yuushibu had a better soundtrack and last battle.
Seriously though what a shit season in terms of sales.
So KlK is looking at about Psycho Pass level of success? Not bad I guess.
I've enjoyed it for what it's worth but Trigger could definitely do better. This isn't the TTGL successor we hoped for. Just like PP isn't the GitS we hoped for.
Yeah, season before that had a lot of 10k+ if I remember.
I guess IS having such a blowout huge amount of sales makes up for part of it, but man, I'll never get what the Japs see in that garbage.
Moeshit just means "anime I don't like that has at least one female character" these days, doesn't it?
What would be your definition then?
It's definitely not a TTGL successor, but you're talking like you've watched all of the anime, when it has yet to end.
Just like every show with more than one male is fujoshit.
>To be fair all 3 are moeshit and shouldn't be allowed to prosper.
I want this kind of poster out from /a/
I still want my anime without any people in it.
Just trippy and abstract animations and colors and music
There is no definition, its just a shitty buzzword insecure /v/fags shat out of nowhere to insult anything not appealing to there tastes, namely cute girls, or slice of life romances.
Best Drink of 1999
But that's true.
Time for bed.
So there we have the definition: SoL romances and cute girls doing X shows. Moeshit.
>good director and artist doing nothing but nature scenes
That would be the ultimate in relaxing
It would omit haremshit, that's for sure.
Regardless if we haven't' seen it all or not already it doesn't matter. After 13 episodes it has failed to reach the height that TTGL had reached up to this point. Even if these last 10 episodes are really solid TTGL had already solidified itself way before 10 episodes remained.
It's probably that they have less shows catered towards them, so they can afford to spend money on the shows that do.
the manabi line is the amount manabi straight sold and was stated to have "broken even". This is the only time in anime history where someone has actually said anything about sales success so it is used only for that reason. However, the manabi line is both ancient and entirely useless.
>yuritrash calling others cancer
>TTGL had already solidified itself way before 10 episodes remained.
My mistake, I thought you were saying that if any anime had more than one male it was gay and you actually believed that.
But no, I agree. Shows with more females isn't bad but I have come to learn when a great show goes on to be big in the industry it's usually the male characters(or character) that are more memorable. Most females are just fucking dumb and lack depth to be respectful well written characters. Not all mind you but most.
Yuushibu was very entertaining. Whenever it got too deep into stereotypical nonsense, it was followed by a very nice touch, like the hero teaching her the phrases, or reminding her of them at the final battle, when he was not only talking to/about her but also about himself. It also helped that there was fanservice bordering on hentai, like the tentacle rape episode. I would've wished for some more sales, as it wasn't just the non-remarkable flatline stuff like so many other shows.
Outbreak Company, however, was insufferable due to the hamfisted social justice message. Can't judge the whole series, though, as I dropped it after MC lectured the terrorists in the school about equality and stuff.
Japanese eyes are rotten.
Symphogear is garbage.
Japanese Geek girls do not see the contents.
Sales is determined by the character design.
His battlefield is CD. Not anime BD/DVD
Sure anon, tell me this when your favorite anime get another season.
>26,601 Infinite Stratos 2
>1,776 Tokyo Ravens
>1,534 Walkure Romanze
Hey 8-Bit, remember when you thought it would be a good idea to take all the money that would have been used for the S2 of your flagship show, and give to two other shows you thought it would be a good idea to run at the same time?
Production costs for S2 seemed even worse then S1, so the BDs must be bringing in the mad dosh for 8-Bit for IS at least, though it seems the followup volumes will only average around 15-18k.
I don't even know if I'd want an S3 if they're going nickel and dime the production again. Hopefully the OVA won't suck from a production standpoint: too bad it's adapting the worst part of the latest LN.
They'll fix them for the BDs, don't worry
It's better than TTGL so far, that's all I really care about.
We'll see if they fuck up the second cour like TTGL did.
You could easily say the same thing about males with female characters. Just look at shit like IS selling.
>It's better than TTGL so far, that's all I really care about.
No it's not. And I'm glad the success shows that.
They might try harder next time hopefully
I'm used to it by now.
Thing is, S2 wouldn't have been any better even if it was given a better budget, because the divergence from the original plot and the directing was still fucking awful past the halfway point.
First half of TTGL > first half of KlK
But KlK's second half has potential to be a hell of a lot better than TTGL's.
TTGL was a coming of age story. Without the 2nd half it wouldn't have been just that. Your opinion is shit.
KlK is wacky story with very little depth. Not bad, but not great either
Although I have a feeling you're just one of the fanservice, cute girl pleasing faggots so you instantly think it's better because there's a female mc and the characters are cute.
>watching a series expecting it to be the same as another
Just rewatch TTGL if you want TTGL and rewatch GitS if you want GitS.
Ok some series end up having similar stories and plot twists but watching a series expecting it to be one that already aired is just plain autism anon.
Budgets for shows are not solely determined by the studio, they're determined by the production committee/sponsors.
I didn't say the second half of TTGL wasn't necessary. It was just also shitty and disappointing. Just because "coming of age story" was a good idea doesn't mean the show was good.
>Although I have a feeling you're just one of the fanservice, cute girl pleasing faggots
Ah, you're a delusional crossboarder faggot. Let me guess, you prefer the dub of TTGL, or have ONLY watched the dub.
How is KLK not a coming of age story in its own right? Why is it just a "wacky story with very little depth"?
The second half of TTGL is just the best part of the show.
I'm sure many people just preorder the volumes with bonuses to make sure they get them and then buy the rest whenever they have more money to spare. Those later sales typically don't show up in oricon charts.
>Very few shows are runaway successes. Initial sales are a good indicator of whether a show will make back the Production Committee's investment, but in truth, most shows take several years to break even. One longtime anime executive estimated that, given enough time, a good 70% of all anime eventually turn a profit. This happens over years of TV reruns, back catalog DVD sales, and re-releases internationally. The process is seldom rewarded quickly.
Are those first week sales or something?
First week sales, yes.
I don't think you understand. Successor doesn't mean they have to invoke on the same ideas and principles that made the previous show popular and good. It means they bring the same level of creativity and enthusiasm to their new work and either meet the same level of success they did with their previous work or exceed it.
With PP and KlK you can see where I.G and Trigger tried but you can also see where they fail short in many places.
well, trigger failed to have good budget but thats it.
People are actually buying Arpeggio of Blue Steel? It was shit though.
He was right.
Its not much of a prediction.
So is there a consistently updated site with all these numbers? Or do we have to crawl through Baidu every time for new threads?
If you can stand Rin being a bitch and Haruka being a shit, it's basically K-On! with at least a semblence of a plot. Rei best boy.
Of course I was.
Because I kept believing in KyoAni.
>calling perfection a shit
Fuck you hard.
Thanks. How often is this updated? Daily?
A female has a better shot at getting a job based on her physical appearance than a male of "equivalent" physical appearance. And there are more jobs that rely on a woman's appearance than there are a man's.
>It's getting another season so that makes it not shit
You keep being delusional fanboy
The figures only get released weekly on I believe Tuesdays for preliminary and Thursdays for complete listings. So there should be an update tomorrow which will show shows with lesser sales than these listed here. It is updated daily with the current oricon rankings of shows though I think.
Saudis like anime? I'm kind of surprised.
That really just keeps track of who installs alexa spyware on their computer though.
Yeah, I thought about that as well. Seeing many people getting into anime and then watching stuff that aired years earlier, liking it and buying the BD/DVD. Some kind of "timeless appeal" is harder to determine than a short-lived hype.
>**,*** *0 Samurai Flamenco [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/25
Thank KanColle for that.
how do i read this?
>**,882 *1 Galilei Donna [DVD+BD]: 2013/12/13
Such precision. Must be the work of sandpeople
exactly 1 sale below the fractale line, and any further sales will never register because they're too low. It's beautiful.
already preordered 120€ worth in merch and if they make decent figures I'll double the amount
not even reached 1k
Maybe the dub will sell?