>So here's how it broke down: Based on the inflated sales of the early boom, Japanese companies demanded the same high price for an inferior product — for a not-necessarily real example, demanding to be paid the same for the RahXephon license as they did for Evangelion. RahXephon isn't bad, but it had no chance in hell of coming close to matching Evangelion in sales. Now repeat that with pretty much every single anime series released after 2005 or so. The Japanese, wanting to match their initial revenues, overcharged for pretty much everything, and the U.S. companies, both out of wishful thinking and because Japan had a complete monopoly on the source (where else was the U.S. going to buy anime?) paid them. And the U.S. companies lost and lost and lost money until basically two U.S. anime companies survived — Funimation and Viz.
There's more in the link above.
Thank god for nips and their retarded bussiness practices.
Take your gawker shit somewhere else, who gives a shit if murrica has no anime now?
because Japan will drop it one day.
>American anime industry
Stop embarrasing yourself and go back to your shithole.
And nothing of value was lost.
I fuking mean it! If the boom had prospered, we'd be dealing with far more than Narutards and idiots who 'ironically" like anime.
wasn´t it also because they licensed in bulk and then put out shows that didn`t even make a profit in Nipponland and then wondered why they only sold like 26 copies of a disc?
I actually bought RahXephon on DVD.
>And the U.S. companies lost and lost and lost money until basically two U.S. anime companies survived — Funimation and Viz.
uhh is ADV still around too?
I notice they still have The Anime Network on-demand on cable/satelite
American companies don't dub good shows.
People who grow up to work in that industry are usually idiots. It's all those closet bronies and gigglesquee landwhales you went to highschool with who grew up and took they're interests way too far. So we all suffer because of their bad taste.
Isn't it more alive than ever thanks to CR?
It turns out that licensing everything that comes out under the fucking sun, regardless of how obscure, irrelevant, or poor selling it was in its native country, is a terrible business practice. Who knew?
ADV died in 2009 since they were the embodiment of what I said above. They could have lasted maybe a little bit longer if they didn't insist on dubbing almost every license they acquired, or at least not pick up titles based on a knee-jerk reaction.
Back when they were in their stride in the early-mid 00s, almost every anime that wasn't shonen garbage or picked up by 4Kids you saw at a video store was licensed by ADV. What on earth possessed them to think that stuff like Legend of the Mystical Ninja, Sister Princess, Cosplay Complex, Medabots, or Super Gals! would bring in revenues in the West?
While CR has created a means of legal and quick supply for fans outside of Japan, it's accomplishments are no more than a drop in the bucket.
Anime is still niche thing. Even with adult swim/Toonami/On demand services.
If anything the market here has just became more balanced, that's all.
>even back in the "good" times
Yes, the "good" times. How I remember them well:
>All subs were in piss-stain yellow
>Editing was ungodly
>5 voice actors per show for every series published by one company.
>15min of ads before and after every episode.
>The extras on the DVD were also ads.
>$40 for 1-2 episodes.
Ah, the "good" times.
Hahaha are you shitting me.
Coming from someone who used to room with strangers at cons a lot, no fucking body at cons watches, or keeps up with current anime, let alone knows how to torrent or even what CR is.
Nearly everyone, and I mean fucking everybody, watches anime solely through Funimation dubs and DVD's, they just buy and watch whatever drivel they push out, shit I haven't even HEARD of, like Master of Martial Hearts tier shit. It's these people that keep Funi alive.
The rest seem to watch those shitty kids shows meant to push out card games that Japan pushes out every season on youtube or some shit, fuck cons.
>still talking about "Narutards"
It's like you people spend your time watching the people who watch the shows instead of watching the show or just fucking off. Idiotic.
and no matter how much you hate fucking casual's, most of them are not NEET autists and thus could afford to pay for TOP quality shit if there was a reasonable way to buy them.
Ever since the early 2000's anime turned to shit and since 2005+ 26 episode series are few and far between instead of making 12 ep's and praying to the God the 12 Otaku in the world who like Panties and fucking world war 2 aircraft at the same time will shell out the money to actually buy it.
Why would you try to reach a smaller audience on purpose if i'm about that money?
What on earth possessed them to think that stuff like Legend of the Mystical Ninja, Sister Princess, Cosplay Complex, Medabots, or Super Gals! would bring in revenues in the West?
aren't those forced bundle add-ons?
"u want that ONE hot franchise right now in Japan? well you gonna have to take these other 5 titles too!"
I'm sure as hell Funimation didn't want Strike Witches... it was forced on to them when they were prospecting for titles to pick up a few years ago.
Hey man, Medabots was actually pretty good, never even heard of that other drivel though.
>implying big 3 casuals aren't huge spenders
Yeah it's not like Naruto prints money or anything, both in Japan and in the US.
>>still talking about "Narutards"
Fuck off narutard
Who's dumber: the one who sells at an outrageous price or the one who buys it?
the buyer because you can get it for free and yet you paid for it.
It's pretty sad that Viz and FUNi, both shitty companies, survived because of Japanese paternalism. Gen Fukunaga is Japanese, and Viz had a shitload of nisei weeaboos at their San Francisco HQ. The only reason they're still around is racial preference from Japan, while all the other companies like TOKYOPOP, ADV, CPM etc. were all white people.
I care. I hope the children of tomorrow experience the same fun childhood I had. I loved going to elementary school the next day to talk about the recent Inyuyasha/DBZ/gundam episode.
>since 2005+ 26 episode series are few
We have at least 8 series this season that has 2 cours.
Stop letting your nostalgia blind you.
>mfw fags who buy Funi dubs tell me "B-B-BUT I'M SUPPORTING THE INDUSTRY!!!"
Your childhood was shit.
>american anime industry
The generation will be even more glued to their web life than they are now. They'll find anime, and instead of talking about it at school or while playing outside, they'll post random shit about it on whatever site eventually kills off facebook.
New look, same shit.
how about those who say they "keep their power-level" low
will we see more of those types in the future?
With Internet steaming being almost ubiquitous these day, the nips should just get a clue and start a Netflix-like website, but for anime.
Wait .. there was some kind of american anime industry?
>Anime used to be HUGE. It used to be on TV after school. We used to gets like ten DVDs released every week
That is some massive nostalgia bias.
How? It's true.
If you enjoyed anime more as a kid, your taste must have really never matured. The anime that was on TV was almost invariably shit, and its unwatchable now unless you have some critical deficiency.
Shit like Pokemon, Gundam and Dragonball doesn't make an industry.
>They could have lasted maybe a little bit longer if they didn't insist on dubbing almost every license they acquired
They still do this as Sentai Filmworks.
Yeah, it was the perfect formula to sell lots of merchandise.
I don't know why anyone would start a thread about this shit on /a/, the biggest defense you have, that of them good ol days is frowned upon, and any kind of western development is rightfully ridiculed and hated.
>The rest seem to watch those shitty kids shows meant to push out card games that Japan pushes out every season on youtube or some shit, fuck cons.
>Insulting Cardfight Vanguard
In the end, it's the lack of quality animation being produced by animation studios in Japan that killed the American Anime Industry, not the subsequent business practices. Why doesn't anyone just put it this way?
Because the people posting in this thread that know their shit don't give a fuck about murrica's anime industry and are just shitposting, now let this cancer die.
All we have licensed in the U.S really is big ass shounen series or product marketing shows, like Beyblade or whatever.
shit like Korewa Zombie desuka, Oreimo and Yuru Yuri have been licensed on America though
I'm saying, the kind of stuff you see on television.
io9 has really gone to shit in the last year or so. I was fully expecting a "hurr durr fanservice and lolicons ruined anime". Yet this was a surprisingly well explanation as to why there is so little anime on US television now.