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Wake up girls thread

Really girl?you think that's ok?
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>>100287871
In this industry its their work.
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Well, it costs their dignity, but girls really don't seem to value that much these days.
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<bay|NDK|Yamakan> And the one path that anime has been avoiding is to look at reality face on
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> For example, in the live action genre, this genre has been bold in confronting reality. There have been plenty of movies about vietman and i'm sure there will be lots of about 9/11
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> And for japanese live action, there was a lot of live action movies about (missed)
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> (zenkyoto?)
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> And you can say that anime may have been avoiding confrontation with reality, but for something that's supposed to be representative of popculuture, it's lacking
18:19:00 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> And this would be a long story to tell, but if you look at the history of japanese animtion, it's not that long, it's a relatively young genre, and if you look at the oldest one.. but it only goes back to 100 years ago(missed?), and the first feature length is the legend of the white snake which was made 50 years ago
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> so you can say the history of japanes animation goes back 50 years
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>>100287925
> year 2000 + 13 of our lord and savior
> still having dignity
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>>100287973
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> And the history of japanese animation only started after the war in the pacific, after it was after, and it's post dated after the zenkyoto student movement, sothe japanese animation hasn't been in existsence with a large social movement, it's always been a peaceful existence.
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> So as a result. It's been nuturing an enviroment where it's been free to be diverse (para)
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> But just as all other forms of art, such as music have done, confronting reality, i think it's time for the genre for japanese animation has come to a turning point, and i think it has to do that, i think just as it was coming to that point to maturity, the great earthquake happened this year.
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Yamakan browses /a/
>8:36:43 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> but recently, i've started to use the internet to gain fan reaction overseas, and i've come to see that the reactions that japanese fans show and overseas fans show tend to be similar
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>>100287871
These guys enjoyed it.
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>>100287871
How long until the first doujin?
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>>100288052
Does he even speak english?
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18:51:52 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> Q: The relationship between the audience and the creators has become closer thanks to the internet. What do you think are the effects of this and it's effects on the industry.
18:52:37 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> A: Because of the closer relationship with the audience and the creator, the creators have been strongly effected
18:53:04 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> And I've seen this as a big issue in the past few issues..and to put it bluntly, i've seen the creators become slaves to the audience
18:53:54 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> and this is one conviction that i strongly have, and that's creators are not slaves of the audience and the creative products are not there to satisfy the lust of the audience 100%
18:54:26 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> And one thing that I recently tweeted about and this is something that hayao miyazaki once said, and i go back to him, and he once said that anime has become instrument in the sex industry
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>>100288139
Interpreters exist, you know?
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Your face when this guy.
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>>100288052
so.. we have same shitty taste like those nips?
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>>100288052
>i've come to see that the reactions that japanese fans show and overseas fans show tend to be similar

I don't know, if I can agree with that.
You'll certainly find opinions that are extremely close to the ones generally uttered on the Japanese net, but the spread seems to be larger. Whatever opinion you have, you'll always find more than enough people to argue against you.
We have people that absolutely hate Kancolle, Love Live, GuP and Idolmaster and everything they stand for. I haven't seen anything like this on 2ch(an) so far.
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Quite important in terms that he is actualy against pure "authors" work for sake of it, so the critique of him doing stuff that pleases general audience is pointless.

18:56:11 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> what i'm feeling today is that it's important for anime to entertain the audience, but it cannot be a slave to only that, but then you lose the theme and you lose the messages you want to incorporate into your works
18:56:44 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> right now the voice of the audience is too overbearing on the internet to the point that creators fear and obey
18:56:38 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> and that kind of servitude really takes the (lost) out of anijme
18:57:07 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> but i also conclude that creators cannot only do a one way imposition either, i think one way communication is an outdate concept in the modern world
18:58:07 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> and that's why i think that's it's not proper to consider the audience to be better or the creators to be better, and i think there needs to be adialog, that's why i tweet, that's why i go to conventions (paraphrase)
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>>100287871
Bitches and whores? Great, cause we need more of those.
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I hope we get to see them in costumes soon.
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>>100288139
He knows english. If he can understand spoken english and speak himself is another matter.
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>>100288273
They will need to make some money first.

Looking forward to seeing that.
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Why would Yamakan chat on IRC?
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KyoAni should learn from him

19:02:26 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> one thing when i work on a pre-existing work, you can't work on a dead copy, but you can't make too many changes (heavy paraphrase)
19:03:10 <bay|NDK|Yamakan> So one thing... my philosophy is you can never subtract or change the existing work or change something that was in there, but you can add new elements that are not in conflict.
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>>100288326
Its feeds from Otakon. Interview is live.

Most important thinng below

7:06:54 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: (couldn't hear at all) (Chocolate coronet question)
17:06:49 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A; the fat end is the head, i start from there
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>>100288200
>your waifu leaves her idol group
>have to deal with whateverchan calling her a slut all day everyday
>the old dvd your ordered with her in it got bought by some other guy
>go to some shitty concert by an unknown group in an attempt to fill the gap in your soul
>your waifu is onstage
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17:12:09 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: About your difficult children, I thought the first 4 eps of LS were pure genius. They were like real high school girls. What is your inspiration for them?
17:11:42 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> And thank you for doing those 4 eps.
17:11:46 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I wish they would have let you do more episodes.
17:12:15 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: First, thank you for that compliment
17:12:29 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I didn't get that kind of review in japan so I'm happy to hear it.
17:13:24 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Well frankly speaking, I did a lot of research. I went to the highschool i graduated from and interviewed them in detail, not to sound perverted or anything.
17:13:27 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> And I also did this with Haruhi and Kannagi
17:13:43 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> And I collected a lot of data, and a lot of the things you see are based on true stories.
17:13:46 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I felt that was the best way to get the essance of the stories.

yfw he actually researched what highschool sluts talk about and LS is realistic anime
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17:27:12 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I loved kyoani
17:27:15 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> It was very hard to leave
17:28:01 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> But after leaving, I continued my ideas and the beliefs that kyoani had in my own studio
17:28:11 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> and i would like to continue doing work befitting of a former kyoani employee
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>>100288346
That's why Kyoani is finished.
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Yamakan was cosplayer

17:44:29 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: Are you surprised by the amount of cosplay and dancing from your works?
17:44:54 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: I did it too in my life so.... so I'm sad that I can do it anymore.
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Yamakan about K-On

17:54:13 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: I'd like to ask, what do you think of the live scenes in K-on...
17:54:38 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> (Audience is like ma-ma)
17:54:46 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: Truth is... I haven't seen it.
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>>100288561
No one can hate Kyoani.
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>>100288431
My life is complete.
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>>100288706
>Truth is... I haven't seen it.

Now, I can say the same, but isn't that a bit weird considering who he is?
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Yamakan about Shinbo

11:17:16 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: Nice to meet you, I'm a big fan. To me, you have surpassed the realm of a god to me....
11:17:53 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> So there was some reports online of him criticizing Akiyuki Shinbo's works and I was wondering why
11:18:57 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> (Long answer coming)
11:19:15 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> (This is going to be paraphrased...)
11:19:54 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: There are some rumors out there that I might have spouted off something unkind but I've never come out before and said I don't like the man
11:19:57 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> We both worked on SZS....
11:20:18 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Truth is, I think that some of his methodology overlaps with mine so I might have felt some jealosy from the situation...
11:20:44 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> If there were any rumors before, I apologize, but that's the situation...
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>>100287871
best orphan
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>>100287871
It's okay.
They gain from it, and we gain from it.
They are still pure, well, mostly.
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>>100288810
>Nice to meet you, I'm a big fan. To me, you have surpassed the realm of a god to me....
I'm gonna be sick.
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>>100288810
>11:19:57 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> We both worked on SZS....

Yamakan did?
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Dances

11:35:15 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: You said you don't consider dancing to be a special skill, then why is it in all of the projects? And can you personally do any of the dances?
11:35:41 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: Only 3 times...
11:35:53 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Perhaps I shouldn't have done it one after the other...
11:36:17 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> All the movements in haruhi i came up standing on my futon in my little apartment... so if i was told that i need to do it, i can
11:36:57 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> in the case of kannagi, i actually went and got a coreographer
11:37:09 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: Did you have any idea how popular those dances would become in Japan?
11:37:13 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: Not at all...
11:37:20 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: What did you think
11:38:25 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: Well, as a pro, I probably shouldn't say this, bt its something I wanted to do, but I thought to myself that I'mm in no way im a pioneer, it has been done before...
11:38:28 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> so why not make cute girls do movements that idols make
11:38:45 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Isn't that something that everyone would consider moe and be a hit and i think thats the reason everyone likes so much
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>>100288273
>Miyuu thigh highs

My fetish
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>>100288911
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Yamakan on Moe
11:44:18 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: I think you are catagorizing me unfairly (described as working with moe)
11:44:36 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> I feel that whether its a robot show or any other show whether be it, TTGL or K-on, if you are into it, it's moe to you
11:44:40 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> If you like it, it's moe
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>>100288979
#BASEDYAMAKAN
eat that /v/
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Haruhi viewing order

1:54:25 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Well... at this point.... yay or nay has not been made clear... but I feel that on the original works in the following series, it may be made clear so please follow that.
11:55:50 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: in the broadcast of haruhi, it was originally in out of order.... and with touka gettan, it then was out of order.. and with e8 being 5 times.. do you think that caused a bad trend?
11:56:12 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> gettan was backwards*
11:56:41 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> A: I can't answer for other series... I can't answer for why they did it...
11:57:48 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Well, for haruhi, basically, what I wanted to do is put the final story in vol1 of the novels to be the final episode
11:58:01 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> so in order to make that work, we all sat down, to try and make a series out of that and make it work
11:58:07 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> the only way was to shuffle the episode order....
11:58:22 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> the whole thing was i wanted that to be the last episode and thats the way we did it
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>>100288947
Hacking right into my heart.
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>>100288979
After all these years, I finally know what moe means.
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>>100287998
>2000 + 13
You should try stepping out of your dungeon once in a while.
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>>100288959
He also told in interview that he is horrible at storyboards. The whole reason he became director is because he is shit artist - and director does not need to draw anything. Initially he wanted to be animator.
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>>100288200
I fist pumped. That idol otaku is the best character in WUG.
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>>100289116
I wish there were more.
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>>100289116
Wait don't directors has to do QC on the other animator works or is that the episode director?
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Movie BD doing well
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>>100289331
No, thats Animation Director.

There series director, director, episode directior, animation director, quality check assistance etc.
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>>100288246
>We have people that absolutely hate Kancolle, Love Live, GuP and Idolmaster and everything they stand for.
LL and IM@S can explain themselves, but KC and GuP stems from the fact that they got in the way of >muh Ace Combat anime adaptation
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>>100289395
For WUG TV
Art Director: Takanori Tanaka
Chief Animation Director: Sunao Chikaoka
Animation Director:
Keisuke Kobayashi (ep 1)
Kumiko Shishido (ep 1)
Sayaka Takase (ep 1)

Episode director for 1st episode is
www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=107464
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>>100289439
>Episode director for 1st episode is www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=107464

Apparently it is his first direction work at all.
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>>100289348
Did Yamakan finally suceed?
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>>100289536
Too early to judge.
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>>100289536
The movie is having a huge success in Japan. It's having more preorders than KyoAni. They need to confirm the success by selling more Bd's and Cd's, though.
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>>100288477
>>100289148
Mein kamerads.
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So someone from the previous thread stated that Studio Trigger is going to allocate human resources to help out Ordet for WUG, Is there any validity to that claim?
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>>100289624
This is movie anon, a cheaper BD that comes with ticket and drama CD. You can't compare this to ordinary series volume.
The fact that a movie it is doing slightly better than a series isn't a good sign actually.
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>>100289742
No, it's a fake claim.
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>>100289644
>not afraid to be the only one cheering

What a fucking bro.
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>>100289742
Its a joke obviously. They have own anime they have hands full with, they cant allocate anyone atm even if they wanted. Liden Films might help, but they are likely already involved unless they have some own project on a way. Sanzigen cant do anything but 3D and theres not much of it in WUG.
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>>100289743
>expecting otakus to buy a bd and a movie at the same time
Otakus are not that wealthy (and not fan enough, yet). The movie is a huge success and it will surely increase the bd sales later on.
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>>100287973
>
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> For example, in the live action genre, this genre has been bold in confronting reality. There have been plenty of movies about vietman and i'm sure there will be lots of about 9/11
<bay|NDK|Yamakan> And you can say that anime may have been avoiding confrontation with reality, but for something that's supposed to be representative of popculuture, it's lacking
Nanking anime by Yamakan when?
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>>100289743
Its litterally Vol 1 of anime. No matter how you argue it. You can even watch the movie for free on Niko.

Vol 1 doing better than vol 2 is rule, not surprise. Especially as of TV we only seen 1 unfinished episode yet.
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>>100289907
Yamakan did direct live action movie (though no idea what about.)

Also, as stated in other part of interview - he does not think that making shocking/artistic/whatever work just because artist feels like it is correct. Anime is still entertainment media. So it should provide both entertainment for the while, while having a message and maybe teching something.

Quite similar view to Tomino`s
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>>100289990
>Quite similar view to Tomino`s
It's kind of hilarious how Tomino apparently hated the shit out of Gundam Build Fighters.
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>>100289888
>Otakus are not that wealthy
Hi and welcome to /a/, looks like you still have a long way to go but you'll pick up a couple of stuff

>The movie is a huge success
12 ~ 15k prediction isn't a successful anon, maybe for a first volume series but for a movie this is pretty abyssmal.


>>100289915
>Its literally Vol 1 of anime
>literally

What you think doesn't matter anon. This is a BD of a movie that cost 1/2 of ordinary series volume. It should at least double the current preorder points.
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Another authobiographic moment from the movie:

-How can i save anime?! I cant even save people around me!
-But what you do give joy to the fans...
...
-Why did you change your mind?
-I decided i`ll make MYSELF Happy! Fuck fans and rivals, i want to be a director in spotlight!

L-1 is KyoAni. Mayu is Yamakan.
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>>100287925
*tips fedora*
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>>100290059

What doesn't he fucking hate
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>>100290059
What message does Build Fighters have? Its just a toy commercial. He hated SnK too for being emo shit.

His idea is that anime should teach kids good, make them better people.
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>>100288979
Holy fucking shit
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>>100290148
> Its just a toy commercial.

So were his gundams.
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>>100290086
>12 ~ 15k prediction isn't a successful anon, maybe for a first volume series but for a movie this is pretty abyssmal.
Consider production costs. Its not Unicorn or Summer Wars. Its litterally 2 TV episodes bundled together.
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>>100290148
>What message does Build Fighters have? Its just a toy commercial.
A fun toy commercial at that. The best Gundams tends to be the ones that remove most of the stupid metapolitics and HURRR BOTH FEDERATION AND ZEON IS EVIL crap.

It gets fucking annoying when the same pattern was repeated for basically almost every UC Gundam production.
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Reading these responses from him is really fucking weird. So candid.
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>>100290086
You can't into reading comprehension, eh? That's why I said, in brackets: "and not fan enough, yet". Otakus don't buy huge amounts of new things don't properly know yet.
>12 ~ 15k prediction isn't a successful anon
It's not a movie per se, it's like a long episode considered a movie just for the length of it. It's not airing in theaters like a normal movie and it's even free in Nico, you faglord. Stop wearing your "muh hate fur yamakan" glasses and start enjoying series without giving a fuck who is doing or directing them.
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>>100288256

That's pretty smart actually
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>>100290277
>it's even free in Nico
Anon, I got bad news for you.

It got theater screening (Multiple days, multiple theater), paid broadcast, labelled and advertised as movie.
Its a movie no matter how you look at it.
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This interview is from 2008 isn't it? Is this what everyone hates him for? I can't see why.
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>>100288979
So THAT's moe.
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>>100288979
Words to live by.
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>>100288979
#rekt manimefags.
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>>100288273
I don't, no more panties when that happen.
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>>100290668
>>100290651
>>100290621
>>100290415
>>100290166
WHAT THE FUCK are you this hung up?
Can it be that you really didn't hear this already? This is the most widely accepted thing for something "moe".
/a/ is really filled with stinky newfags, isn't it?
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>>100290717
I knew already but it's first time someone from the industry said that clearly with such a good example.
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>>100290495
And?
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>>100288979
>If you like it, it's moe
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>>100290801

http://bayoab.info/live/old.php?panel=94

He said it 5 years ago
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>>100290495
No, it's not a normal movie no matter how you look at it. It's not even in the box office and it's intented for immediate sale. These were just promotional screenings.
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>>100291070
Yeah this, having special screenings in theatres for things is common place these days. I've seen football, Dr Who, and Esports lately.
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>>100291070
Hell, even individual episodes get screenings these days. Remember KLK ep 3
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>>100290852
That the movie performance isn't something you should be glad about as a WuG fans. Stop posting the prediction numbers and hope that it will get better in time.
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>>100291165
>>100291070
This is a pointless discussion.

Yes, its a movie by all means.
Yes this movie is basically just two episodes of anime.
Yes movie is required to watch with anime as vol 1 would be rewuired to watch vol 2.
Yes its labeled and sold separately.
Yes, those sales are indicative of shows success as whole, as vol 1 sales would be.
Yes, however - Idol ticket and higher budget in movie play a big role why it sells.

Arguing semantics..
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>>100291070
>These were just promotional screenings.

That you need you buy tickets to see it.
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>>100291258
But i am proud and you cant stop me.
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>>100291308
Don't anon, right now the least you could do is pray that somebody would help Yamakan finish this anime, or else we'll be seeing uncolored key animation when its aired.
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>>100291295
So do most of pre-screening in cinemas. Buddy Complex, KlK etc. oh which episodes were shown in movies. Madoka TV was screened in movie theatres as whole.
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>>100291365
It is already good, if it become bad later - so be it. I am not spoiling my enjoyment of things i like until later.

Its same santiment as "dont judge anime from 1 episode/3 episodes/until it finished/bd"s. Its all different expiriences that are judged separately.

If anime at first ep is great - its great. If its shit - its shit. If it becomes better/worse later, you can react at that.

Plus, WUG is a new original franchize and its not "movie" or "tv" i like - its WUG i like.
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>>100288979
I'd say that if you think it's CUTE then it's moe.
Neotony and wideness of face, smallness of body, large eyes etc.
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>>100291365
I am ready for Hidamari tier episodes.
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>>100291388
Those titles aired on tv no? Sure some of them have special screening for the fans and such, but that just for a special occasion.

>Madoka TV was screened in movie theatres as whole.

Nope, it was promoted as a movie that consist of edited aired episode.
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>>100291469
That's exactly the pleb level of retardness why I hate people defining "moe".
No. Moe != cute. Not remotely.
Cuteness is howerer a common feat to be considered moe.

You should feel bad.
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>>100291469
And that would be wrong. Since for example your statement did not include the other popular moe definition "wish to protect weak, hold dear" aka Moe-ru.

Psycho Pass MC is moe. Aquarion mecha is moe. Yamakan is moe. Kaga from Golden Time is moe. Dad from Gallileo Donna is moe. Non Non Biyori brother is moe. And many other things.

It not as wide as "everything i like is more", its more to "anything that makes me have some kind of positive emotional reaction" is.
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>>100291469
moe is a reaction to what you enjoy.
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>>100291516
Except it did, long before recap movies were made. So did few other shows too.
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>>100291562
ahhh
fuck it.
I don't give enough of a shit about moe to define it or think about it any more.

I'm going to go watch some anime that's not about little girls and isn't total fantasy with no basis in reality, ignoring all the harshness and pain of the real world to pander to those that don't embrace pain to kill their inner weakness.

anyway

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RINE ENDS HERE
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>>100291696
>RINE ENDS HERE
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>>100291696
Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star is moe.
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>>100290059
It makes sense. Build Fighters is as blatant as it gets. It's all fanservice.

>>100290176
You don't actually believe that do you?

>>100290204
Nah, the best Gundam was 0080, which clearly had something to say.
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>>100291763
10/10
would impregnate your boy pussy.
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>>100291805
Actually, 0080 was a nice example of small-scale conflicts.

Animated Gundam Sentinel never.;_;
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Have you guys heard about he urgently need staffs for WUG?
>あんまりやりたくなかったけど、急告。『Wake Up, Girls!』に興味のあるアニメーターさん、助けてください。今スタジオのスタッフは疲労困憊です。それでもこの作品への愛だけで踏ん張っています。少しでもいい、加勢してください。一日だけでいいのでタツノコプロに入ってください。
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>>100292267
I can't read moon.
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>>100292290
"I didn't want to do this, but urgent notice. Any animators out there with interest in "Wake Up, Girls!", please help. The staff at the studio is exhausted. Even so, we're pulling through with our love for this anime. Please help, even if only a tiny bit. Come to Tatsunoko Productions for just even one day."
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>>100292267
Long ago. There was whole topic about it that reached max postcount and got bootet.
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>>100292403
That thread was pretty funny since it went into 3DPD idol wars territory.
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>The staff at the studio is exhausted. Even so, we're pulling through with our love for this anime.

Ganbatte Yakaman ;_;
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;_;
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>>100293484
What a dumb cunt.
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>>100292854
AKB is shit. Momoiro Clover Z forever.
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>>100293484
I want WUG to cover this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
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how could they screw this up so bad??????
Shouldn't the dancing be a big selling point?
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>>100295977
Nice bait
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>>100295977
>??????
>vlcsnap
I see you've put some thought into this.
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inb4 Ordet is forced to use CGI for the rest of the dancing since they lost all their 2D animators



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