Who makes the best animation after Japan?
Nobody, Japan is dead last.
Disn- oh wait, their animation is dead
North korean animu is best animu
But Japanese animation is pretty bad.
France is the best, though. So fucking fluid.
France animation is shit.
You are shit.
your england is shit
I think OP means the best animated works
Only France and Japan can be relied on for 2D animation these days. Murrika has given in to the 3D CGI cancer.
Fuck france! All they do is copy common anime styles and make a show for kids out of it.
what are some essential animated french works that I need to see?
not being sarcastic at all I'm genuinely curious.
Can you give me any examples?
Ernest and Celestine
not him but I think he's referring to Totally Spies and Wak-fu
I wonder what it the best animated works from France is?
How come france? Give a few examples
>Totally Spies and Wak-fu
ahaha wow fuck this thread closing tab.
This is why I asked for a few because I can't think of more.
Even though it's based on a Belgian comic, Tintin is fucking fantastic.
Top-tier US is pretty good, but after you get past the main three or four studios it falls off pretty steeply.
Well, Belgium could be divided between France and the Netherlands and nobody would notice or care
>No mention of Corto Maltese yet
Wakfu's animation is awful; only the stills look nice.
Canada has always made the best animation.
Japanese animation, on the whole, is shit. With glorious few exceptions
You honestly can't rank animation by country, Japanese animation can be pretty amazing but at the same time pretty shitty.
US animation is nothing but kids shows and sit-coms. It's pretty much a dead medium here.
Disney in their prime is as good as animation gets.
Shit's whack, yo
What the fuck their eyes are scary as fuck.
except that they are furfags
canada is the one who does flash though
I wish we had 2D animation that was actually decent, not shit like Family Guy and Simpsons. All the rest is CGI movies for kids that all look the same regardless of how much money is pumped into them.
This. Fucking jews ruined Disney.
posting this everyday until you accept it
It´s very sad if you make that question to random people, they probably says "USA" or "France" showing their ignorance
but isn't that basicly a classic good vs bad example?
>my kid show is better than your kids show
pretty much the only thing US animation can boost about, and even then it's iffy.
The question to make to random people is "Who makes the best animation" in general... I forgot said it
Katara is moe.
>2 looped frames
>tfw Danish animation will never come back
>tfw getting my first boner from this
>tfw my love for 2D started with this
man, the 70's were cool
I have been converted by this totally-not-cherry-picked example .gif. God bless America.
That's gay and shit. Stick to your cookies.
ribs in peas, Valhalla was the last great animation from Denmark.
Wasn't the left show at least partially animated by a Japanese studio?
The first avatar series was made by several Korean studios.
Anime as we know it adopted a certain style and way of animating things in order to lower costs. Not sure what the one on the left is, but after Astro Boy and the rise of TV anime there was quite a big difference between Disney 2D and anime since Disney put huge budgets into their shows and made smoothness of animation a big priority.
FYI. It was all rotoscope. They knew how to rotoscope right.
The hands in Eva 3.33 were done by rotoscoping, they looked nice.
Studio Myr ? Yes, more than partially i think.
keyframing is done in the studio.
All the mindless tweening is done in korean factories.
I think Japan does that as well
Studio Mir is Korean.
The United States is better, when they want to be
That jump in the beginning looks really unnatural and stupid.
European animation in general is a fucking shit, in France anime style is plagiarized and in the rest of the continent we don´t know make a shit (I´m spanish)
In America, they are obsessed with the fucking 3D animation, and the 2D animation is shit like Adventure Time or Spongebob Squarepants... Japan is the only country than conserves the PURE animation´s tradition.
You only have to see a simple example: Around the world anime is exported and consumed... you think that in Japan are aired in TV occidental shit? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I thought that rotoscoping was tracing over live footage.
How the hell did they get a real fox-man to film for their show?
Les triplettes de Belleville.
Valse avec Bachir
Le Magasin des suicides
Le Roi et l'Oiseau
Les douzes travaux d'Asterix
Asterix et Cléopâtre
God, Valhalla was so 80's it hurts.
>I thought that rotoscoping was tracing over live footage.
You thought wrong. The footage is just a reference you don't need to trace it exactly.
Guess i'm full of shit then.
Don't worry, most of your precious Elevenese anime comes from Corea too
But rotoscoping involves tracing.
disney is godteir animu with godteir music
You see. France do have very good titles but they are very few. I think Japan wins just because of the huge quantity they produce.
Japan has the biggest industry, but that doesn't mean it's good.
That's like saying Hollywood is uniformly good.
Japan creates 60% of the worlds animation, but 90% of anime is cheaply made shlock designed to sell figures.
Studio Ghibli alone is over that shit
>Canada has always made the best animation.
They haven't done anything good in years. They're the main source of a lot of the worst flash cartoons out now.
I wish Cybersix could've had another season...
>Valse avec Bachir
There's tons of Western animation on Japanese TV
So how was this created?
>Talking shit about Persepolis
Fight me faggot.
Mostly the inbetweens though.
Oh shit, I just realized I've see all of those except for Le Magasin des suicides, and I don't even usually watch cartoons other than anime
Yes but you don't need to trace it perfectly. You can add features, expression and exaggeration. Or even just use the footage as a reference. The rotoscope is just an artifact you can do with it whatever you want.
Japan has some God tier animated movies, and some very good animated series, but I don't think they're better than France in term of quality.
Japan is the only place where animation still exists in any large way, or in any way at all.
Hahaha, oh wow. Where did you get your education?
Indeed. Persepolis is top of the class.
Of course, just saying that merely using footage as a visual reference doesn't count as rotoscoping.
If you compare the best Japan has to offer with the best France has... sorry but I think Japan wins without difficulty.
Yeah, but in soulless, money driven industry form.
No. Step back from the seasonal series and look at the cinema titles. There you can see how Japan has still the upper hand in terms of animation.
The koreans normally do the menial work like inbetweens, the key animation is still mostly Japanese.
Well I don't share your opinion.
Persepolis was basically just a love letter to France and a big middle finger to Iran.
I wonder how beginner animators in countries where animation is dead feel.
With all this talk about France,
Do any of you have a french waifu ?
My friend is an animator here in Denmark.
He has absolutely nothing to do.
I think it was a good animated movie, as in it had a good, interesting story and stuff. But in terms of animation it was fairly mediocre.
France, then US Theatrical Animation.
The US has a lot of quality animators that are forced to be concept animators for CGI animation
Yes, and for that reason Disney (DISNEY!! YES, DISNEY, THE MOST POPULAR ANIMATION COMPANY OF THE FUCKING WORLD) to sell Marvel shit (MARVEL!! BEST HEROES ACCORDING THE REST OF THE PLANET) has had to create a specific series to sell its product in Japan, even when they have been doing animation series about these characters from the 60's.
The same applies to specific Disney characters. Stich (from "Lilo & Stich") is very popular in Japan because he resembles a typical anime character .. still, a specific series made in Japan had to be created for him, when the rest of the world, "Lilo & Stich" had another television series in the Occidental style.
My first thought when I read the OP was France, so yeah.
Clearly American cartoons have surpassed Japanese animation in recent years. Pic related is the kind of quality you can expect from our superior animation studios.
When was the last time the US launched a good 2D animation movie? I remember when the US 2D animation industry was getting rekt by anime and 3D animation how they tried desperately to stay afloat.
That's really depressing.
>1 million dollar per episode vs 1 million dollar per season
also didn't even prevent ATLA and LOK to have QUALITY all over the place.
Inbetweens don't count as creative work
What was that 12 frames? Jesus christ.
You might also want to mention that most of the Marvel superheroes series in Japan for the past half decade or so have been animated by Madhouse.
That's what stupid live decisions get you.
He wants to go to Japan or America to work there, but guess what, so does everyone else in Europe that's not living in France.
>Implying Japan isn't doing the same shit
3DCD robots don't count
You posted a pick of an inferior Lucky Luke-fu.
That scene was from the first seasons, like 10 years ago
My god its old now
And forced to work on flash cartoons
France has a consistent influence in the animated world, both movies and series. And it's not new, France and Japan had partnership since the 80's.
*CG. Good night /a/.
There really are no standards for American cartoons anymore. Why go for good looking animation when the shitty "adult" comedy shows like Family Guy are still at the same level of quality they were at 10 years ago?
>Japanese 3D animation
The penguins look depressed enough for this to fit perfectly.
Africa has the best 3D though.
Those fucking Ugandan movie trailers.
France will save anime this year and you know it.
I wish Ladybug was still 2D but even then it looks promising.
I still don't know why they ditched 2D animation. That shit was smooth as silk.
Princess and the Frog, and Winnie the Pooh are the two most recent ones. Both did very badly and they swore off making another 2D film for the indefinite future because of them.
I remember things started getting really rocky with flops like Atlantis and Treasure Planet. Titan AE was a good more mature experiment by fox but it bombed too. Then 3D started making it's way in and it was unstoppable.
Really, American audiences simply don't like 2D, and prefer 3D.
Besides, Avatar was animated by Koreans. Studios that normally outsource anime.
Would Japan hire gaijins?
>I still don't know why they ditched 2D animation.
Movie audience flock to CGI because it looks "modern" and "mature" while 2D is now considered "old school" and "for babies".
Holy fuck what did I just watch
What happened to this?
They made it CGI.
Princess and the Frog made decent profit, just not as much as their CGI films did.
Why is this allowed to exist.
Is this another one of Anno's ways of getting back at the Eva fanbase?
Are they keeping the song at least?
Oh look, it's the rare instance of animation in Precure.
And that's a flop in their eyes. They're very stingy about it.
Yamato 2199 looked good actually.
Georgian animation is top tier.
That's really fucking sickening. 2D games have the same fate too. They are shit simply because "they are not 3D".
270 million $ box office with 105 million budget + marketing is really bad.
Keep in mind 60% of box office goes to the studio.
And it's just boring martial arts too
It's clearly not because it's "mature". All of these movies are for kids. Kids don't give a shit about animation and nowadays probably are growing up with CGI films. Their parents go along with them to watch Planes, money is made off unhappy adults.
I see guy jean names in the staffrolls all the time.
How about no. It was passable at best.
Blame Toei. If they weren't such jews about the number of frames allowed per episode, scenes like this would be a lot more common.
>we only made 100 million dollars benefits! oh the horror!
>Then 3D started making it's way in and it was unstoppable.
It was making it's way before those movies you mentioned. Titan AE, was possibly the last animated movie Fox made.
And it was not just 3D. 2D animation watchers were also looking for more mature stuff like the stuff Japan was providing. Titan AE, for example, wanted to be mature but without sex, blood or a complex plot, that's why it was a flop, it was boring.
Nah, martial arts sequences can be GOAT if done right.
Holy shit the bad CG made the poop-Shinji look more terrifying than he had any right to be.
Too bad, it was pretty alright.
Posting best villain song out there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAY-78zhmw
That song was the only memorable part of the film, I found it to be a mediocre film overall.
Yeah, so rare.
Best Disney movie
Hey, it's Keith fucking David!
>martial arts sequences can be GOAT if done right.
60% of 270 million - 105 million
Not including marketing costs.
>It's clearly not because it's "mature".
You forget that they win Oscars, which means they're REAL movies, so they're obviously way more mature than silly 2D children's cartoons. Pixar/Dreamworks/Disney movies always have those handful of emotional drama scenes all at the same moments in the screenplay because they know how well it works.
And even if they're still kids movies, and even if the artstyle is incredibly unrealistic and cartoonish, they're still done in 3D which is "realer". It's less embarrassing for normalfags who don't want to admit they watch cartoons (even if they watch Simpsons and Family Guy on TV).
>Not the Jungle Book
ill hook u in the gabber m8
it would be something along the lines of Belleville rendezvous. although the director is Franco-Canadian...
check this list too.,
Rare when you consider the fact that Precure has had shit tons of seasons. And seriously, half of those examples look like cheap shit.
marketing costs are always an unnamed, convenient variable for movies marketer, either they bloat it up to make it look like they aren't swimming in money, or pretend they don't count to justify less than expected results.
Fuck off, pleb.
NOOOW I'M THE KING OF THE SWINGERS
Is that a troll list or are most of those titles supposed to be nigh unwatchable shit.
What's the deal with that? Why does everybody seem to love it when it's pretty boring?
USA USA USA
>2D animation watchers were also looking for more mature stuff like the stuff Japan was providing.
I still wonder if it'll ever happen here...
>I still wonder if it'll ever happen here...
In the US? I doubt it, the public is too puritan and companies don't risk shit anymore. Even Hollywood is in frank decadence and producing one or two noteworthy movies per year.
It's clear people still want that now too, but nobody even tries providing it. It's so lacking that AT is praised for pushing the boundaries. You'd think with some of the violent anime shounens that got really popular in the west over the past decade, it would've shown that there was a home audience for the stuff, for teens at least. Can you imagine if some studio saw SNK's internet popularity and said "hey let's make an action show with lots of killing and drama and stuff"? But censorship, would be too expensive to do in western style, network control, etc...the industry just isn't set up that way. And then some will try and get a neutered but at least serialized plot like Avatar and a cancelled show like Symbiotic Titan, and a few other failed cancelled projects along the road. At least there's Venture Bros and Archer I guess.
I guess almost the same can be said for comics/manga and the huge gap in popularity with the youth they have. And then you get all those terrifying comics that try to have an anime artstyle...
Hollywood still makes movies? I thought they were all about carnival rides these days.
The people at Dreamworks do amazing when they do either serious 3D works or 2D either way.
Dreamworks do serious animation? Dragon was okay but it was still just Pixar-serious.
Wasn't that horse movie the last 2D one they made?
All this butthurt.
Germany... Just kidding
No Sinbad 11 years ago was the last 2D but you can't deny that Dreamworks is the best animation company in the world.
Are you people this retarded?
It's obviously China. We all love Chinese cartoons.
I kind of feel sorry for /co/
I can and I fucking will.
> Dreamworks doesn't make 2D animation anymore
> They are the best animation company in the world
They still have capeshit.
nigga, that was eldorado
They love that shit, though. For some fucked up reason.
last time I went they had very serious general threads about Total Drama Island.
They are chaining Frozen generals at the moment, like 200 thread now. The place is just that desperate for shows.
I left in the height of the Korra thread spam, which is depressing because it was a mostly well animated show that dealt with politics, war, violence and was just absolute unbridled fucking garbage and everybody rightfully hated it. /co/ was just so depressing then, because it was the only thing airing to talk about, too.
Why is Disney still doing musicals?
>Perhaps the most apt comparison for The Legend of Korra’s tone is acclaimed series Breaking Bad.
The guy doesn't even know what he's talking about. Aang was so much better.
Western networks didn't get any western studios to make their own, because buying rights to air those shittily dubbed shounens was way fucking cheaper.
And then when the bubble burst they just forgot about everything
>We’ve been given the world’s first animated television drama
Jesus, the stupid burns hot in this one
Obviously superior russian animation.
>Perhaps the most apt comparison for The Legend of Korra’s tone is acclaimed series Breaking Bad.
Looks like fucking shit. Even disney is better.
If you consider Japanese the best, the natural second best would be Korea, since they are the ones who do the backwork for many series.
Don't tell that to an otaku, of course.
...What the hell was that!?
>not liking Worker and Parasite
You are a very bad comrade
You kidding, right? Not even a slavshit would enjoy that crap.
Drawing in-betweens requires little skill, true masters work on keyframes.
Holy shit it's awesome
Japan is shit tier
America is elder god tier.
Do you really not know where it comes from?
Other than having really good production values, it would help if Disney was at all adventurous with their creations. Sadly, the US is still stuck thinking animation is reserved for children.
Holy shit. Is this real life?
Japan's animation is for children too, that's why there is so much children in it.
Check out the Gobelins Art School youtube page. It's full of student animated shorts. Like this one of a thing happening with some beavers and a king(?). [God, I hope this is the right one; there are some weird ones. ]
Western animation might benefit from having a niche "otaku" market to support some shows, to at least be able to pull away from total network control. But then I guess it'd just turn the comics industry, ie. 99% capes. And western traditional animation is just way too expensive for anything but large companies to fund and control it for fear of losses.
Oh I thought that one was really old, but only 2010...
Really great though.
Their mouths don't even move when they talk lol
Whoa, that was really good.
It's from the Simpsons, it's a joke.
Let me show you some REAL russian animation.
With Russian ninjas.
Russia. Or, to be more precise, Soviets.
I really love these two
(you posted the hedgehog but mine has SUBS)
Soyuzmultfilm really knew their shit, those animations I posted, they were, like, the most loved cartoons in Soviet Russia.
And, oh boy, let me tell you about some obscure modern ones...
Posting Youtube link for the lazy.
These are "Ninja Action", episodes 1 to 4. I'm not sure if the ones the russian ninja is fighting are russian nazis or just russians though.
No, you are comparing seasonal anime with a high budget movie bro. You have to compare it with Japanese high budget cinema movies as well.
There is no way the US makes better 2D than Japan and this is even more true today that America's 2D animation industry is almost dead. Don't let you nationalism blind you.
>Indians in charge of physics
Shitty gif, not necessarily the animation
though Family Guy's animation is p bad
It's easy to draw and tumblrize. People like it because it's colourful, easy on the eyes sometimes, and 2deep4u everyne's-parents-r-ded ships out the wazoo fun with characters whose inconsistencies are actually explained sometimes. Don't ever try to watch an episode more than once though. shit gets old fast.
I guess I should mention that some of the set-pieces are pretty good-looking (dem scenes where the camera keeps panning down, or going through a fully animated tunnel)
90% of time, it consists of still and barely moving images
Tumblr's gif restrictions make this a poor example for anything other thank how shit tumblr is.
I mean, it's 673KB for god-sake
Nice, subhuman gooks could learn a thing or two from Russians.
What is shades?
off to the gulags
Nothing. There is plenty of great animation with little to no shading.
>shades are a must for a good animation
Get a load of this weeaboo.
Does anybody have the rest of the bits from Charge of the Light Brigade? It's great, but it got taken off Youtube several months ago.
Kill yourself. Wakfu is gorgeous, and doesn't look anything like Japanime. It was based off the art style of some ero artist on deviantart. Seriously, just blow your head off, you aren't using it.
Jesus fucking christ what the sodding shit gods, did I click on /x/? What the fuck. God damn that's creepy as shit. What the fuck kind of drugs are Estonians on? Fuck man.
I am never traveling anywhere near Estonia.
stop watching slow plotless moeshit
That guy is husbando material. Why do frogs have catboys and Japan is lagging on that front? Would watch. Dat soundtrack, too.
When you rotoscope correctly it's called referencing.
doesn't really matter
it's all korean in the end
shit's gay yo
Some comics are pretty good, actually. And there are a few good shows. Young Justice, maybe... the new Teen Titans is shit... Yeah, just stick to comics, Wakfu, and Avatar if you /co/. Indie comics can be amazingly good.
Fuck you, Golden Eggs was damn good.
I really need to get caught up on Hellboy and BPRD
Misspelled "moe as fuck". Catboy is cute. Would pet, if you get my drift.
>giant guy made up of tiny guys
>giant guy flips off the cops
>little guy that makes up the middle finger also flips off the cops
Oh god that is just too much.
>implying people watch anime for the animation
Then all this board would be about Ghibli and Disney.
Neither are we here for edgy political thrillers or macho action cartoons or experimental acid trips. It's the eyes, the girls, the culture, and the power of nakama that make us forgive everything else. Sure they have been abusing it for a while, but occasionally they hit on some good plot or decent comedic setting. And girls never get old.
Anime is the only kind of fiction besides literature that I consume, because even if it's in a slump right now, what it offers can't be found anywhere else. I've also found that serious fiction demands attention, while cute girls are healing after a day at work. In related news, people with lots of free time prefer big classics books and going through the western canon, while scientists and programmers just prefer scifi.
I watched the first and thought, "Is this just trying to be The Simpsons?"
I watched the seconds and saw that this was purely an original work.
Madoka Movie 3 and The Wind Rises are up for an Oscar this year too.
Spirited Away won an Oscar.
2D is considered REAL movies too.
>Legend of Korra
LoK is a disgrace to the memory of Avatar. Mike and Bryan fucked the dog on this one.
>And girls never get old.
Yes they fucking do. They're pandering to you and you don't even realize it.
Stupid or not, let Murricans start thinking their animation is getting more deep and mature. If a market for more adult cartoons grows, then maybe dubs will stop being such a fucking travesty.
I still drink Coke. Some things don't get old.
>don't even realize
Stayed exactly for it.
I think he was referring to overall talent-pool. Where Canadian artists and animators get bought out all the time to work at pretty high tier works overseas.
Though I do agree, Canada hasn't done shit on its own
I've noticed that dubs are the worst when the show has young girls. Their voices are always awful. Adult males are dubbed much better.
Still poorly. Because people doing dubs aren't usually voice actors. They are "dub actors", the bottom of the barrel.
Not everything needs a celebrity cast like Ghibli, but whenever anime dips more into the real voice acting market for actors (a la, Bebop, Steve Blum, etc.) it makes all the difference.
America does, they make anime better than Japan.
Stop comparing high budget Disney animations to anime in general. Let's not forget when Disney Channel decides to create a spinoff cartoon series, the quality and story telling is complete shit.
Hiroyuki Imaishi is personally my favorite artist. Everything he makes gets me pussy wet.
What makes me laugh is the crowdshots where every person is completely and perfectly still
What if Imaishi made Evangelion
Woah, thanks dude
Whenever they start rotoscoping in anime people start hopping around like rabbits.
Not him but I like being pandered after a day of hard work. What wrong with that?
When I am in the mood I watch other kind, possibly heavier and more complex stuff.
But watching cute girls doing cute things do have a healing effect, That's why, regardless of it's artistic merit, it will never get old.
Reminds me of that one fight from Old Boy.
>cel animation is dead in every country
American and European cartoons are made partially in Korea too. And I think Americans and Europeans started this trend way earlier than Japanese.
Do you know that American and European cartoons are made partially in Korea as well?
Here for you:
"The art of Korean animation, or Han-guk Manhwa Aenimeisyeon (한국 만화 애니메이션), has gone from hand-held flip books in early times to studios that produce most of the work for major American animation companies and Collaboration/Minor Contribution contract for Japanese animation companies. The South Korean animation industry can be considered dynamic in that there are around 120 animation studios, mostly competing with some of the larger studios that throw smaller studios by way of overseas export market (OEM) work. Notable examples of Korean animation include all episodes of Hey Arnold, The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Legend of Korra, and Justice League Unlimited which were made and drawn in Seoul, South Korea. While it is mostly firms in South Korea that contract with Western studios, some of the work is reported to be subcontracted to North Korea as well."
You can say that Western companies (specially American) used Korean studios more than Japanese companies.
First: it's made in Korea, it's not American (according to some guys' logic here).
Second: it's shit, overall.
I mean, seriously. Family Guy is shit, no matter how it is animated.
* Kim Possible
* Baby Blues
* The Angry Beavers
* Beavis & Butthead
* Catscratch ChalkZone
* Codename: Kids Next Door
* Cow & Chicken
* Dexter's Laboratory
* Drawn Together
* Eek! The Cat
* Evil Con Carne
* The Fairly OddParents
* The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy
* Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law
* I Am Weasel
* Jackie Chan Adventures
* Johnny Bravo
* King of the Hill
* The Life and Times of Juniper Lee
* The Maxx
* My Life as a Teenage Robot
* The Oblongs
* Pinky and the Brain
* The Powerpuff Girls
* The Ren and Stimpy Show
* Rocko's Modern Life
* Samurai Jack
* The Simpsons
* SpongeBob SquarePants
* Star Wars: The Clone Wars
* Timon and Pumbaa
* Two Stupid Dogs
American cartoons? No, Korean:
So what about this, American anons?
Are these cartoons American or Korean?
Apparently some of you don't know how your animation studios work.
Majestic Prince was pretty glorious with its mecha CGI. In fact pretty much Orange did a good job on shitting on everything else prior to it.
Even that Ars Nova battleship anime from last season wasn't that bad.
God these threads are annoying.
>Neither are we here for edgy political thrillers or macho action cartoons or experimental acid trips.
Yeah well fuck you. Saying that moe and slice of life are the only worthwhile aspects of anime is cancerous as fuck.
Oh god I love this movie
American. Designed by American creators, the Koren's did the grunt work, the artistic visions were American
It's all done by Vietnamese or Koreans anyways.
Fucking Disney <3
France Japan alliance strong
They did a CGI Gundam animation based on this show.
anyone hyped for this?
will they really gonna make it look this good?
I think if it didn't have a western art style I wouldn't think at first glance it was a feminist propaganda.