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Since these threads have invariably deteriorated into symantic arguments about omnipotence and the like, let's start with a new aproach: class divisions.

For the time being, let's work with the premise of:

-Lightweight: street level to planet level
-Midweight: planet to universe level
-Heavyweight: universe and above level (this can be tended to later, due to the difficulties involved)

For the time being, let's work with the lightweight division, using a smaller-scale chart from a while back.
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And transferred some across from some of the other charts. Positions may not be right just yet.
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I see Clare from Claymore here. Anyone knows where Priscilla would be on this chart?

Also wasn't Evangeline in this group as well?
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>>100283951
You need to include Gaku into Special Tier.
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So wait, why isn't Kazakiri there if Angelarator, and Gabriel are in?
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Would Pucci be in mid or heavyweight?
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>>100284173
Pricilla? Maybe a bit above Walpurgis? Not too sure.

>>100284235
Who?

>>100284278
Mostly to accomodate characters from different series. Raildex characters kinda swamped the previous charts, especially in the lower and mid sections, which is essentially what the lightweight division will be. I might move some more over in a bit, but that depends on space. Having a whole chart for the lower tiers does make a bit more breathing room at least.

And yes, I'm aware that the Negima characters are probably far too high. I'll space them out properly in a bit.
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How is Accel a lightweight

>But muh planet destruction

He could change the direction of earths rotation

He could vector the earth into the sun
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>>100284361
He'd be the cut off point, along with Anti-Spiral. Either top of one or bottom of the other. Or both, that could work.
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Why is edese there twice?
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I'd better put down some ground rules here:

-Placement is based primarily on actual performance, secondly on suggested ability in-universe, and finally on theoretical limit. The last of which should only be used in cases of extreme contention, and it'd be better if not used at all.
-If you want a new character added, please state their name, power type, the full range of their abilities, and where they should be on the chart and why.
-Try to limit characters per series. For the time being, let's put the cap at around 5.

There'll probably have to be more, we'll see as we go.
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>>100284508
So she is. I didn't spot her at the start.
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>>100284411
Hatou Manabu, nickname Gaku from LN Murasakiiro no Qualia.
Has a cellphone in her left hand through wich she can call alternate universe versions of herself.
Forms a sort of quasi-hivemind with those and she can transfer knowledge, skills or her consciousness to them.
This basically results in her being an expert in anything and having infinite tries.
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>>100284568

>finally on theoretical limit

Well then your chart is trash

If thats the case then so much needs to be changed
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>>100284661

So moe valentine?
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>>100283687
I'm being a retard, but is the weakest point the left side or the bottom of the image?
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>Homura becomes the devil
>rewrites the rules of the universe and rips god in half because she wanted her Madoka
>no demon being tag
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>>100284568
>Hibiki Tachibana
Symphogear: Gungnir
Most powerful gear in her universe. Can combine all power from others' gears and fuse together. Has a potential berserk mode, and at that point is pretty much unstoppable apart from friendship. She's physical/weapon (I would assume). I'm not sure where she'd be placed. She did take down an Earth-sized relic and trapped it in an alternate dimension, being the vessel for 5 other characters' powers.
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Could you post the Midweight and Heavyweight charts?
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i might be blind, but i cant see mustang from FMA on there, if anything, get rid of ed and put him there.

also, tetsuo from akira should be atleast upper middleweight, he pretty much becomes god and creates a new reality by the end of the movie
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>>100284695
It's only an emergency factor. It won't be used at all unless absolutely necessary.
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>>100284743
That's regular Homu. AkuHomu wouldn't even go on the lightweight chart, assuming she can be accurately placed at all.
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>>100284799
Negi should be a bit lower.

And why the fuck Mr. Satan is higher than Ed?
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Fiamma got this shit locked down. His power is so unbelievably broken against any character who's not a reality warper or omnipotent.
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>>100284799
Yeah, no. If you're putting people above Arc and Fiamma, who'd be the cut off point, then they shouldn't even be on the lightweight chart.
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Not sure if I like Sakura in the lightweight division. She's got some reality-breaking abilities that most definitely aren't limited to a planetary level.
At the very least, she should be put either in the special tier, or slightly above Madoka.
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>>100284874
Anon we're not discussing about who's better or who wins
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>>100284934

We should be

Accel wins lol
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>>100284700
I don't know I haven't read Jojo
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>>100284862
But they're the same Homu inside. Then there's the question of where to put her in relation to Madokami.

At least we could put Nagisa at the very bottom of the chart in cute but useless tier.
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>>100284923

Yeah, if we are talking about Clow successor Sakura she's a multiversal.
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>>100284799
TM fags here, Zeltrech should be above Arcueid.
Its just so wrong to put a man that deflect a moon and travel between parallel world/time to be lower than her.
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>>100284799
I can undestand Eva being higher than Nego and Rakan but WHY is Negi lower than Rakan?
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>>100285052

Nasu himself said she's stronger.
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Given the events of the latest Railgun chapters, I'm really not sure where we put Mikoto. Her potential power level is off the charts - not only able to affect electrical fields at a planetary level, but also at a sub-atomic level, which means that she theoretically can create antimatter.
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>>100285074
Negi himself barely believes he was able to draw with Rakan, and believes that was only capable because Rakan wasn't trying to kill him.
OK, that was before DemonNegi, but still.
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>>100285123

There is enough Index on the chart already.
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>>100284783
Er, they're not ready yet. I'll post what there is so far.

The Heavyweight is essentially everyone who's above universe level, and that will probably have to wait until later.
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>>100285162
I would say that there's too many from the magic side to be sure, but science-side only has Accelerator.
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>>100284568
Any member of the Earthbound Gods from Yugioh 5D's. Can we just put 'Earthbound God' there?

Demon-like entities with an age of at least 10,000 years. Capable of resurrection of dead souls, materialisation in corporeal giant form for unknown but extensive periods of time via channelling, soul manipulation (including stealing and mass absorption), possession of singular human vessels, arguable manipulation of fate and luck, control over giant burning glyphs. Their power type is Divine.

On the chart: Lightweight - as a group they equal roughly Walpurgisnacht, and the sum is definitely less than the sum of the parts, though it fluctuates depending on the channeler. Theoretically capable of turning the world into a torched wasteland in very short order if left unchecked, with mass zombification and nature manipulation. Hard to accurately gauge given that fucking children's card games is what I have to work with.
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>>100285255
If super robots are going to be included, throw GaoGaiGar into the medium tier also.
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>>100285255

Goku above Othinus? Really?

She destroyed and recreated the universe over 10000 times.

Strongest DBZ characters can blow up a galaxy.
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>>100285152
I actually completly forgot about Demon form, I tought for a moment the reason for him being lower was because in that one fight Negi had the adventage of his own Pactio card which he got rid of after the battle. If we were to include a characters "Final" state for the power level chart, Negi should be at least on par with Rakan
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>>100285267
For that matter, the Crimson Dragon from the same fucking series.

Divine-type spirit with unknown age. Capable of explicit time travel, fate/luck manipulation, alteration of lesser magical beings and modern technology, negation and repulsion of harmful magic, healing abilities, implied partial possession. More defensively orientated.

On the chart: Lightweight - at or slightly above Walpurgisnacht's level, considering it needed a couple of lesser powers to equal all of the Earthbound Gods combined.
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>>100285255
Shouldn't Yuki be higher in the chart? She's FTL and she can use Haruhi's powers. She's like Dr. Manhattan with a different design.
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I'm going to start trying to spread things out, it could be messy for a while.

>>100284747
Okay, added.

>>100285407
>She destroyed and recreated the universe over 10000 times.
If that's the case, then she shouldn't be on the chart at all. She can wait for a bit with the rest of the Heavyweights.
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>>100285792
Thanks. She should be around where Nanoha is, seeing as they're somewhat the same character
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>>100285768
I don't think the medium chart has any ranking on it as of yet - it's just a placeholder to put stuff until it can get properly arranged.
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>>100286042
The Meister Otome (Arika and Rena) should be a little bit lower leveled also. Every indication I've seen of them puts them substantially below Nanoha's level.
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>>100285255
Pucci doesn't belong anywhere near the top of this list. Unlike some of the other characters, Pucci has a normal human body and he can killed rather easily if he takes any hits. Also it should be mentioned that he had trouble dealing with time-stop, and he was eventually killed by a weather ability. Maybe he can go in Special-tier.
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>>100286168
As has been mentioned in previous threads, Arika brute forced her way through the attack of a weapon that destroyed half a planet and busted an asteroid that was going to destroy six countries, as well as being able to move at around 13% the speed of light at least. And she can cast enemies into alternative dimensions with Bolt from the Blue. Lena is basically the same but even more powerful.

Nanoha's position isn't fixed yet, if she should be higher do say where and why.

>>100286472
Then maybe it should just be for Stairway to Heaven. We'll see how it goes, anyway.
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>-Lightweight: street level to planet level

I love how already "planet level" characters are considered lightweight by anime standards.
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>>100286955
Well, considering there are a number of multiversal and supposedly omnipotent characters, it does broaden the margin a bit.
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>>100286661
Actually, it's more like the weapon was matched by the sheer strength of about 10 or so Meister Otome. So while it's not quite as impressive, even weaker Meister Otome are almost on power with a nigh-planet destroying weapon.

But then there's the fact that Arika beat Nina who was weilding the full power of the weapon, so it's more or less the same. I suppose Nina weilding the Harmonium could be put on there instead, if necessary.
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Why is Nanoha the representative of Nanohaverse? Hayate is objectively stronger.
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>>100287634
You're allowed more than one character per series, you know. The current cap is five per series.
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>>100285052

Zelratch when he was younger was stronger than Arc, Currently he is Not.
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>>100283687
Maybe the list should be changed so that the placement of characters is dependent entirely on their offensive abilities only. Also to get an idea of a character's defense and speed, a number between 1 and 10 should be applied for each. For example, 1 would mean "human-level" speed or defense, while 10 would mean "faster than light" for speed, and "able to tank universe-level attacks" for defense.

Also change the color-chart so that it only indicates other special abilities that could play a crucial role in a battle, such as immortality, regeneration, super-human intelligence, precognition, etc..
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>>100287793

And Gilgamesh should be Much higher than Saber. Considering GOB and Ea.
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>>100287721
My point was that Hayate should be included in the chart, too, because she is more powerful than Nanoha.
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>>100287886

Avalon.
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>>100287886

Arcueid is Also Special, not Magic. Considering she can Host Type-Earth.

>>100287965

Avalon is just as Broken as Ea, But Gilgamesh is Much stronger than her overall.

Plus Saber doesn't even have access to Avalon anyway.
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>>100285255
How are you supposed to measure them anyway?
For example Pucci is can accelerate time but otherswise he's just a normal human, copared to goku who is planet destroyer, also he is higher than TTGL, who can revive the dead.
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>>100288481
On balance, extent of influence is the most important factor. So Pucci, who can remake the universe, is that high. Having said that, he's a glass cannon, so it might be better just to have Stairway to Heaven.
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>>100288669
Even when he remakes the universe, it's not like he has any control on how things will change anyways. Universe gets reset, everyone comes back, and people make different choices, that's it. That's it. Very disappointing. Also his universe reset takes time to happen. He can't just trigger it immediately.
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>>100285792
Shouldn't Giorno/GER be removed from this list completely?
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Shouldn't Kenshiro be above Killua, Yomiko, and Ayumu because of Musou Tensei ?
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Momoyo is too high, she's by no way better than Gil or Saber.
Gil should be higher because of Ea.
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>>100284617
Clare should be a bit higher on that chart, if it's Claymore Clare.

Same with Emiya, depending on which route you use. Considering he has access to Gae Bolg, which is basically a ,"Fuck you," he's at least higher than Esdese.

Also, get Jack Rakan and Evangeline out of there. They're no where close to Archangel Gabriel status.

Ikaros, despite the shitty series she comes from, is far stronger than anything from Negima.
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>>100289898
Well barring the Lifemaker given prep and anything on that scale.
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>>100284661
I'm going to leave the Special tier alone at least until everything else is sorted out. Special tier may need renovating as well before this is finished.

>>100285267
Okay, is there any particular picture I should use? And what power type, Demon/Divine?
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Alright, I'm not sure I really did a good enough job of spreading them out properly, I think I mostly just rearranged them. Meh.

Feel free to tear apart my modifications, but at least explain your reasoning before bitching at me.

And again:
>-If you want a new character added, please state their name, power type, the full range of their abilities, and where they should be on the chart and why.
For anyone who wants characters added. Also mention their series name, preferably.

>>100284661
I'm going to leave the Special tier alone at least until everything else is sorted out. Special tier may need renovating as well before this is finished.

>>100285267
Okay, is there any particular picture I should use? And what power type, Demon/Divine?
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>>100290249

Accel really shouldn't be in this tier

He's far stronger than almost everyone listed

He has planet breaking powers and umlimited potential
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>>100290310

This chart shows him before he hits his angel powers
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>>100290249
>Momoyo
>As strong as Accelerator
Yeah, sure.
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I expect to see powerman at the top of the heavyweights.
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>>100290310

Was it said that his vector control is above Fiamma's autowin? He feels like he belongs to special tier, but then again Crowley reck'd him
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>>100290310
Oh boy, a lot of people have potentially planet breaking powers. Doesn't mean shit if they don't have feats to back it up.

>>100290249
Drop Momoyo down a bit. I'm not too sure exactly where she would be as I don't know of any real feats for her though.
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>>100290397

His Vectors with White Wings are above Gaberial and Below Fiamma at full power
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Where would kyouske fit into a chart like this? He maintained and manipulated a mirror of the real world with a couple hundred people holding them in a slowed persistance of time.
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>>100290447

Nowhere because he doesn't have any destructive potential
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>>100290249

>Looks at the TM Character placements
>Looks at the Index character placements

They need some work
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>>100290493
>>100290447
If it's destructive power and key I guess the only one who really fits is the key.
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>>100290310
His position is based on the output from borrowing the Earth's rotational energy and tanking the continent-destroying blast, since these are by far his most impressive demonstrations of power. I'd hesistate to put him any higher, especially when Gabriel and Fiamma should be significantly more powerful than him.

>>100290353
>>100290430
Okay. I was under the impression that she had planet-buster potential, plus she took out that asteroid headed for Earth. How far down should she go?
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>>100290616

And she is limited to killing all life on Earth, but she is also Mortal which really weakens her spot on here.
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>>100284235
>>100284411
>>100284661
>>100290249
Gaku is Heavyweight without a doubt. At least her "final form". At that point she's a being that resides OUTSIDE of existence. She doesn't exist, somehow, yet exists in such a way that she can observe and influence all of existence. It's a bit difficult to explain. The translators had a though time translating it to us dirty gaijins during the dump a while ago.
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>>100290577
Okay. Care to explain your reasoning?
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>>100290619
Okay fuck, either that happened in S, or it's been way too long since I've finished the original.

Anything on the potential size of the asteroid?

>>100290577
Not really. Nasuverse isn't all impressive compared to Index unless you start bringing out the stronger characters like Types.
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>>100290249
Is momoyo really in par against accelarator?
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>>100290249
You should probably drop Hibiki a bit. Also use this picture
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>>100290249
I'd say Kiss shot is far too high. She's just strong. Incredibly so seen from a human's point of veiw. But Her being on par with Accel? Not in a million years.
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>>100290685

I fixed your Index, Typemoon and Momoyo for you.
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>>100290249
Looking much better.
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>>100290249
Why is Mr. Satan still above Edward? He might be physically stronger in some aspects, but Edward's got alchemy. That puts him ahead. Unless we count him post-alchemy. In which case I don't see why he should be included.
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>>100290805
Huh. Looks pretty good, but drop Koro-sensei back down to where he was before. No information on how he actually destroyed a good chunk of the moon.
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I like this light weight chart. Can we get a saki on there? Im pretty sure being able to get plus/minus 0 anytime she chooses in a game of luck is worthy.
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>>100290783
>>100290805
Isn't KuroSensei much stronger than Kiss-Shot?
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I think Demonbane should be on this chart, seeing as how he is not Omnipotent.
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>>100290249
Are you a retard ? the speed of negima characters is 3 to 4 digits match, that's like 100x the speed of a saint in the raildex verse
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>>100290619
Saber's excaliblast could easily destroy an asteorid.
Let alone Gil's Ea.
Accelerator could just vector it in another direction.
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>>100290805

1. Picture related covers the index characters
2. Zelretch is below Arc according to Word of God.
3. Check Ea at full power on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kiAcwtcfJ4 (the last skill shown)
4. Momoyo isn't strong enough to break a Planet Yet, we have no idea how strong she will be if she trained properly however\
5. Saber does not have access to Avalon or Caliburn, Stop putting her so high because Shirou gave her Projections of them That only last for a short period of time

>>100290891
>>100290907

I only fixed the TM Index and Momoyo, talk to the other guy for the rest.

>>100290940

Go read the Index LNs


I think that covers all of my edits
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>>100290940
And your point is? Being faster doesn't mean much when you can't hurt someone, albeit the Executioner's Blade and Absolute Zero might do something.

>>100291002
Not really. Depending on how large the asteroid is, any of the three listed could just be pulped. Saber and Gilgamesh almost certainly would be pulped. They don't have anywhere close to the feats Accelerator does.
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Just got a couple of questions.

> Why is Accelerator over Kiss Shot? Isn't she stronger overall?

> Is Tetsuo really that strong? just curious.

> You plan on adding the Special Tier from the other charts? Up to Saitama and lihiko?

> Is Father from FMA really that useless? Couldn't he use fucking shadows and shit like that to kill?

> Will this lightweight be then united with the heavy weight and make a long ass chart or gonna keep the separated?
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>>100291041
>No one expects the inept father.
>He totally summoned an angel by accedent!
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>>100290907

Isn't it a bit early for Korosensei to be added to any power levels? We don't exactly know everything he can do
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>>100290805
Er, when did Accelerator surpass Gabriel? Anyone want to confirm this?

>>100290714
I can't find anything substantial, just this pic and this video from the space battle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4cWtJASAUk

>>100290783
Her baseline is from almost destroying Antarctica by accident, just from jumping. There's also clearing the distance between Japan and Antarctica in the time it took her to regenerate (so less than seconds), time travel and the Kaii Blade.
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>>100291041
i have read the LNs, and you just forgot the soul wipe spells and the things rakan pulled with his willpower magic ?
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remove special tier
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>>100291059
You clearly didn't read either a TM or a Raildex novel, did you?
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>>100290783
She's pretty damn strong. Apparently in one of the Monogatari books, it's stated Kiss Shot can destroy the sun if she felt like it.
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Is Shiki just referring to MEODP Shiki and is it including void Shiki.

If Void she needs to be in Heavyweight.
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>>100291041

Accel should be slightly below Gaberial, Wtf am i doing.
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>>100291041
No. Don't use Fate/Extra CCC. It has Servants travelling at FTL or close to it. Just no.

>>100291073
FMA isn't all that powerful, it's a really weak in comparison to a good deal of the pieces on the chart.

>>100291131
Nope. I know of the best feats all three have accomplished though, and while they might destroy varying sizes of asteroids, a large enough rock is going to pulp all of them.
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>>100290783
Full power kissshot is easily onpar if not more powerful than accelerator, the speed that she moves at and her destructive power in the books would imply she'd easily be able to destroy accelerator before he could react.
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>>100291041
Why is Touma so high? He is the weakest level 0, he said so him self.
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>>100290936
I think base Demonbane from the very start of the series can actually be put in the lightweight division. But there's not much point if EG Demonbane is going to be put in the Heavyweigth chart.
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>>100291186
>Nope
Okay, then why are we talking again?
Gil's Ea at full force can easily destroy an asteroid, and so can Saber's excalibur.
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>>100291073
>Why is Accelerator over Kiss Shot? Isn't she stronger overall?
I personally believe the opposite. Accelerator is pretty broken, but Kiss-Shot is "just" strong.
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>>100291186

Fate/Extra CCC is canon, so it counts.

>>100291252

Read the Key in regards to Touma.
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>>100290772
You should really use happy Hibiki for the picture
Also, standard Hibiki is about Nanoha level. Berserk Hibiki is a whole other story.
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>>100291140
>>100291229
Wow, she sure chose a roundabout way to destroy the world, then.
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>>100291252

Read the bloody top right corner, god damn it

>>100291105
>Er, when did Accelerator surpass Gabriel? Anyone want to confirm this?

He didn't i made a mistake in regards to that, the rest is correct although
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>>100291186
Nasu wrote CCC, it's not a F/A level fanfic.
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>>100290940

Fate can move at lighting speed. Even at light speed if we consider Force manga canon.

Nanoha can easily deal with that.

Not to mention Negima characters have very limited firepower.
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>>100291299
That doesnt explain shit. Touma as stated by the source material is the weakest esper. Its canon.
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>>100291186

All TM is canon, Go cry somewhere else.
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>>100291260
Define how big of an asteroid and I might agree with you. Is Excalibur stopping a life-wiper asteroid, ie, a mile or larger? No, it isn't. It'll definitely do something to the rock, probably shatter it, but Excalibur isn't flat out destroying it.

>>100291367
>>100291342
>>100291299
Right. So all Servants are now capable of FTL movement. Okay then.
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Not that it matters, but shouldn't Shirou be classified as a weapon user?
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>>100286661
I think Pucci is more on a high-Mid level than a Universal. The only JoJo charecters that may be High-Tier are Valentine and Diavolo.

I'd also put Dio and Cars in lightweight.
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>>100291357

Wow what about:
>The special border denote characters that can't be measured accurately and placement for said characters is is completely irreverent and is just for ascetic value,
don't you get?

>>100291430

Only Tamamo can, read bloody CCC.
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>>100291430
You do realize you're talking when you have no idea about the quoted stories?
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>>100291265
Considering the fact that Kiss Shot has time-travel as one of her abilities, there isn't much Accelerator could do to stop her if she felt like going back in time and taking care of him indirectly.
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What about characters that are powered with sheer willpower? Can it be quantified?
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>>100291041

>Accel
>Below Kakine
>He fucking rekt Kakine while retarded

This is bullshit
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>>100291478
What part of Canon dont you fucking understand? Can you not read fucking words? The source material already told you where Touma is.
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>>100291529
Oh, we're counting that as well? Ok. I misinterpreted the intent of the figure. I thought we were talking about straight up battle prowess.
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>>100283687
Shu should be under "Soul Powers" and "Weapon User"
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>>100291430
>Right. So all Servants are now capable of FTL movement. Okay then.
Not those guys, but I'm pretty certain that was a power up unique to the Moon Cell, apart from Gil who just had an FTL ship.
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>>100291578
You can't Measure Touma abilities, He is just on the chart because he needs on be on there somewhere. What is so hard to understand?
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>>100284568
also make a fucking note how "it is just a estimation, and doesn't reflect on the end result of a duel between two characters, since the rules of the battle and the powers may favor one character over the other."
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>>100291578
>What part of Canon dont you fucking understand?

That is just something Touma says himself, it's not true considering the Bullshit he does although.
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>>100291578

>weakest esper

Indeed, so what? Or do you seriously believe Imagine Breaker is an expert power?
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>>100291578

We don't know how strong LB really is
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>>100291555
Mazinkaizer - Middle
Masinger Z - Heavy
Energer Z - Lightweight
Grendaizer - Heavy

And if willpower is a power in itself I'd put Koji Kabuto in at least Mid-tier and Dr. Hell and Baron Ashura in High.
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>>100291610
With the Mythic Formal Wear.
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>>100291709

Esper, not expert. This tablet is getting on my nerves.
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>>100291681
>>100291709
>>100291711
Jesus fucking christ you are dense. I guess you dont comprehend words.

>>100291708
Yes but that is still straight from the authors pen. May as well be from his own mouth.
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>>100291578

If you don't know what your talking about Shut up, We don't know anything about What IB seals inside of him. He is Definitely not the weakest Esper, If you can even call him a Esper.

fucking Animeonlyfags
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>>100291555
>What about characters that are powered with sheer willpower? Can it be quantified?
Not easily. The only thing to do is use their best showings and factor in things like potential growth as enhancement factor over other characters of the same ballpark. That's about the only way to work with it.
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>>100291766

The index chart is one of the Very few good powerlevel chars that exist on 4chan. Just shut up

we aren't here to discuss that chart anyway, we are here to do a low-wight chart
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>>100291727

>Mazinkaizer - Middle
>Grendaizer - Heavy

Wasim pls
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>>100291578
>>100291681
>>100291709
>>100291711
>>100291766
>>100291771
Guys, please stay on topic. Touma's position in Special tier isn't going to be changed for obvious reasons, so if you want to keep arguing over this, do it in a different thread.
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>>100291855

Who made you king of threads

Get fucked
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>>100291727
Why is Mazinger Z in heavy? Why is Mazinkaiser in Mid?

Are you sure you aren't thinking about Shin Mazinger Z or Getter Robo?
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I only ever come into these threads to bitch about Vash's placement since most people don't realize the fact he fights non-lethally is one of the most integral tenets of his character.

But he looks about right. You didn't fuck it up /a/. Congratulations!
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Momoyo becomes super saiyan in A-1 so multiply her the power that she already has to blow up her planet (not to mention she can create miniature blackholes)

Also what about the D.greyman characters
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>>100291887
The consensus is that Touma should stay. More people will keep the version with Touma in special.
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>>100291581
Well, if we exclude time-travel, the fight would probably be a tie honestly. I'm not sure if she can get pass his Vector control, while Kiss Shot can't die from anything Accel can throw at her.
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>>100291970

FTFY.
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About Neuro, didn't it mentioned that demons only have 1/10.000 of their power outside the demon world?

Would this place him higher on the chart?
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I'm new to these threads, but is it not Haruhi > all? And if the fan theories are correct, Kyon > Haruhi?
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>>100292027
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>>100292045

This is low weight, they don't belong on this chart. they belong on the higher ones
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Why is Rance in special-tier?
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>>100291970
Top kek. Mr. Satan should barely be stronger than him anyways. The gap between a normal human and a strong human on a scale like this would be 1 pixel.
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Stop being silly.
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>>100292075

No Accel is Not stronger than Arc or Fiamma. get out.

Anything above Arc and Fiamma does not belong on this list
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>>100292045
Isn't her power just to create and destroy the universe she resides in? I never really payed much attention to the details.
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Include Ryuko or Satsuki?
They'd be low as shit but still
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>>100292027
I would say throw Korosensei out as he has no real feats that can be measured. Destroyed the moon, but there's no info on how he did it.

Also bump Negi up just a tad. He should be able to beat Nanoha.
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>>100292124

He is

>inb4 you call me an anime only fag or something
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>>100292136
>payed
Whelp. Back to school I go.
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>>100292143
He does travel at 30 mach, though, and his defense is top notch.
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>>100292136
It seems she can change whatever she wants in any way she wants (literally rewrite/change/destroy universe(s)), but she is completely unaware of her own power.
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>>100292028
Unfortunately that a very vague factor. Unless there are more impressive characters and feats he can be compared to, it doesn't really help.
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>>100292162

Go convince the Index fanbase that he is, get them to edit >>100291041 picture, and then come and try again.


Edits made
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>>100292256

>Accel below Gabriel

But thats wrong
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>>100292136
Unknowingly destroy the universe at that. John smiths haruhi is god, Haruhi haruhi is just a reality warper that doesn't even decide when to use it.
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>>100292284
>>100291041

Give me proof otherwise.
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>>100292256
Why did you lower Kiss-Shot?
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>>100292256

>Killua

Ok So were abouts is netero
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>>100292227
Against conventional weapons sure, but that doesn't mean much.

>>100292256
Pretty damn good.
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>>100292256
Shirou too high
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>>100292231
I'm not so sure she's top dog, then, but she's definitely top tier in the heavyweight class.
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>>100292256
>mr satan still stronger than eric
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>>100292330
On a scale like this? He wouldn't really be much higher. HxH is kinda small-scale.
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>>100292389

The point being why isn't he listed/representing HxH then
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>>100292372

Well Shirou did beat Saber?
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>>100292372
How so? Which character beneath him can't be beaten with Gae Bolg?
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>>100292467

Wrong chart, Wrong thread.

Low- tier only here.
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>>100292432
It'd be better to use the top performances from each series, so Meruem and Adult Gon would probably be best.
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>>100292256
Where's Kenshin?
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>>100292487
I think you just mean bad chart, because that chart is shit.
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>>100292437
With Archer arm and when she was holding back. Nasu said that max power Shirou (but without World pact) would get his shit slapped by Bazett
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>>100292492

Prime Netero probably = Meruem
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>>100283687
>Issei is stronger than Dio
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>>100292467
God damn, stop posting that atrocity.
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>>100292467
It's funny how Gaku needed a power class of her own.

But why is Saitama in special tier? He hasn't shown anything but incredible physical strength. He'd be toast against reality warpers and mages. At least if we go with what we know so far.
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>>100292527
Yeah, but we don't actually know that. Just like we don't know that Ging is probably one of, if not the most powerful character in the series.
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>>100292465
When did he use Gae Bolg? Not in VN and Nasu never said he can in vs Q&A
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>>100292521
What? Can I get a link or something? Because Shirou should be able to just Gae Bolg. That's his best answer to almost every fight.
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>>100291970
>>100292027

Sakura even being in lightweight division is idiotic.

She's the successor of Clow Reed, even more powerful than him.

She's multiversal.
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>>100292515

Well yeah, he posted a out of date chart to begin with.

This one is the up to date one. and No we aren't discussing it here.
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>>100292589

>Ging

Leorio would like to say something about that
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>>100292596
He's seen it before, there's no reason it wouldn't exist in UBW, and he's used more costly NP before (depending on which route you go off).
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>>100292607
>Bazett vs Shirou. What Nasu said:
>With this time's battle, since we're working off the assumption that Shirou "has trained/is operating himself to the max", people might think that this might end up being a good fight, but m'lady Bazett's a trained professional specializing in anti-magus battles. Technique, experience, and battle power. Against someone like her whose superior in all those regards, even with a "Broken Phantasm", Shirou's disadvantages are still not going to change. And you see. She's ruthless.
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>>100292045

Haruhi is not the only all-powerful character.

And she's limited to one universe.
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>>100292256
Eva 01 should high higher. There is no way Fiama could win against it. Its a huge mass of flesh and metal and its hungery.
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>>100292256
I'd bump Shoe up a bit. I mean he should still be low tier, but he's barely above Mr. Satan. He's stronger than that.
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>>100292284

Stop being retarded.

Gabriel was wrecking Accel and Hyouka at the same time.
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>>100292651
Just because there are no other universes in Haruhiverse. Is there an accepted take on this problem in these threads?
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>>100292589
Ging is probably at least Gon-san level, give or take. At least in terms of raw power.
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>>100284799
Should'nt Clare be alot higher?
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>>100292660
Fiamma could just OHK it with Holy Right
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>>100292638
He might trace Gae Bolg but can he use "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death". It's Lancer specific technique lioke Tsubame gaeshi
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>>100292662

No that's out of date, >>100292617 is the current one.

Stop posting those charts in here please, Low-Tier only.
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>>100292662
>>100292688
>>100292617
>can't read op
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>>100292717
AT shield. Then COMP.
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If you guys aren't going to provide proper reasons for the changes I'm not going to change it.

"This" is stronger than "that" isn't enough, Give reasons to prove if they are stronger or not.

anyway, posting current
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Can someone please add BRS to this. Or just make the icon.
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>>100292617

When will retards stop shoving Tenchi at the top?

Tenchi Muyo world has only 12 universes. Actually, it's one universe split into 12 dimensions.

That's nothing compared to many other series.

Tenchi is a big fish in a small pond. Throw him into Eien Shinken universe and he would get fucking eaten for mana by a random Rank 2 Eternal just passing by.
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>>100292738
they should help with who go's were in the class divisions
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what am i looking at
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>>100292607
Doesn't her NP actually counter Gae Bolg? Or would it not work since technically UBW itself is Shirou's trump card?
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>>100292695

People can't even agree what omnipotence means.
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>>100292809

We aren't discussing that chart here.
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>>100292809
Its not the size that counts, its how absolute you are in your domain. Tenchi is the beginning and end, he is the universe in his fiction. He is the one above all in the Tenchi-verse.
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>>100292853
The ability to do anything that is within the frame of reality you exist in. So saying that you can't be omnipotent because you can't create a rock you can't lift won't work, because that rock isn't within the frame of the reality you're omnipotent in.
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>>100292720
Given how in Heaven's Feel he was able to access Nine Lives, albeit its arguable why he was, he should be able to tap into the active abilities of the Noble Phantasm he traces.

>>100292640
And yet he was still able to fight a retarded Gilgamesh. Which meant he was at least able to keep up and trade blows with a Servant, even if the Servant was being dumber than a brick.

That at least puts his physical capabilities higher than Bazett.

>>100292833
That was mentioned in the Wiki, but seeing as it's not actually stated in the interview I'm hesitant to use that as actual proof. It is something to consider though.
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>>100292955
My bad, higher or on par with Bazett.
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>>100292865
Well it is actually, we're comparing power between universes. The idea of the chart is who is the strongest over all compared to each other. He's easily among the weakest multiversal beings. Eve and lilith are stronger than the beginning and the end even so the point is pretty moot.
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>>100292955
His Nine-Lives was a weaker version of what Herc could do if he had the weapon mind you.

And Nine lives is more of a fighting style that a NP
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>>100292865

Like pretty much every character near the top.

He's the omnipotent being in a tiny universe.

I'd place omnipotent beings from settings that have infinite multiverses full of infinite universes above him.
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>>100292804
Please add Kenshin to the chart
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Does someone have a Japs powrlevel chart?
To see their major differences from ours.
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>>100293009
So you think that the Mayor of New York could kick the Mayor of Detroits ass because his town is bigger?
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>>100292617
Thanks for posting that, I knew there were still a bunch of characters missing.

I didn't know where to put a lot of these, so I improvised. Hopefully they're not all horribly wrong.
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>>100293036
They don't waste their time in this sort of shit, they have moe charts if that interests you.
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>>100293055
No that's a terrible analogy, especially since detroit is a shithole where politics hold fuck all power and new york is a world attraction.
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>>100293055

Mayors were elected.

They did not create their towns.

Would Genghis Khan with his Empire's army he created defeat a guy who created a tiny village in the middle of nowhere?
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>>100293080
But they do.
Do you seriously think /a/ has read Seinarukana or Yamibou?
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>>100292756
AT Field isn't invincible though. It can still be pierced or broken in its own series..
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>>100292955
>Given how in Heaven's Feel he was able to access Nine Lives, albeit its arguable why he was, he should be able to tap into the active abilities of the Noble Phantasm he traces.
Well he got Archer arm for one. Nine Lives don't break any law of the world like Lancers or Sasaki NP. What's more Shirou Nine Lives is shit compered to original (8 strikes vs 100 strikes)
>And yet he was still able to fight a retarded Gilgamesh.
The whole point was that in UBW Shirou weapons are there for him to use while Gil need to summon them first. That's why Shirou was faster
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>>100293080

>they have moe charts

Please post.
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>>100293116
Its a great analogy and basically what you are saying.

>>100293135
Genghis Khan was also an elected leader. Learn your history dipshit.
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>>100293080

They have a "powerlevels wiki" that's utterly useless because somebody edits it every 10 minutes.

Just like these charts.
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>>100293185
The only thing known to pierce it reliably is the Lance of Asspull. Becides, thats the black Eva there. 01 isnt even on the list, because it would rip everyone in that list a new asshole
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>>100293198

They don't use charts, they use Tier listing.

>>100293067

Use this.
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>>100293191
The fact that he can overwhelm Gilgamesh means he's still moving at the same, or a comparable, speed as a Servant. That puts him well above peak-human in terms of combat speed.

And yes, Archer's arm does give him a power-up. Which is why stating which version/route of Shirou is important.
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>>100293281

forgot picture.

>>100293310

The chart should work off Shirou at his strongest which is HF, so work off that not UBW or Fate
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>>100293219

Elected for being the greatest warrior around, not for sucking the most rich cocks for funds.
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>unkillable
>mad regen
>crackshot
>crazy probability/luck bending

How stronk is Chirico? just curious.
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>>100292467

>kawaii uguu ancient gods with teenager bodies
>raw poer
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>>100293281
>>100293368
Okay, but why did you take out Lilith?
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>>100293402
That is a moot point.
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>>100293422
Well the Lord of Nightmares is literally the fabric of the multiverse, so it technically is raw power.
Dunno about the others though.
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>>100293439

Do we have any way to prove how strong GNR is?
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>>100293499

Other than Absorbing humanity and the Eva's what did she do?
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>>100293368
I still think shizuo shouldn't be higher than edward elric,
in a fight, ed could just transmute a huge cannon and kill him, and he just has so much variety with his abilities, while shizuo is literally just a strong guy. Stronger than Mr. Satan, but not as strong as an MC.
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>>100293310
>Even in this world, I am no match against any other Servants. I cannot match the ultimate one even with infinite swords. Gilgamesh must have the ability, but I do not.
>As we have the same ability, as we are both "owners", I am always one step ahead of him since my swords are there, ready to be used…!
Shirou is one step ahead. The moment Gil grab a weapon Shirou already swing it. It's true that his swords give him boost but it's not as much as you think. Don't forget that Shiki can keep up with Shirou sword spam
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>>100293422
>magical girls
>raw power

That chart is completely retarded. Just ignore it.
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>>100292688
Is Sakura really strong as gurren lagan?
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>>100293486

LoM is OK

But lilith, eve and "naru eternal" are pure bullshit.
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LoN is OK

But lilith, eve and "naru eternal" are pure bullshit.
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You're forgetting Maka OP, although I'm not really sure where she fits in terms of origin of power and strength.
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>>100293589

She's stronger.

She's a successor to a multiversal godlike sorcerer who's one of the two most powerful beings in CLAMP verse. And she's supposed to be stronger than him in the end.
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>>100293499
-The size of a country at least, probably a continent even
-Took control of the souls of all life on Earth

So near the top of lightweight, but a few rungs down. She was probaly fine where she was.
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>>100293671
Maka isn't shit.
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>>100293671
>Four power types
Just leave it at Weapon User and Soul Power, there's no need to overegg it.
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>>100292688
>phisical
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We wont end this shit ina fucking year.
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Shouldn't Father be higher on the list ? What with his miniature sun and auto-transmutation to any physical attack that touch him.
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>>100293682

Better?
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>>100290616
Kagari doesn't really have any destructive power either. She is effectively just an observer and trigger for the planet to know when to begin destroying life. And her ribbons don't put her that high either.
Kotarou is effectively a lot stronger end-game and works better for the list. By pure stats he's Servant-tier.
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>>100293910
Sure. There wasn't anything particularly wrong with >>100293368 apart from the Lilith thing though. I can't imagine anyone's happy with Sakura being in the lightweight division. Personally I think she should probably be in Special, but that can wait until the later weight charts.
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>>100293910

Reimu is slightly too high, Sakuya way too low.

Eva should be significantly above Rakan.

Nanoha should be slightly above Rakan, or at the very least the same.

Carissa should be around Accelerator's level.

Sakura shouldn't even be there, she's way beyond Arc and Fiamma.
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>>100293714
There are other on the chart equal if not weaker than Maka.

>>100293769
Weapon User Soul Powers, got it.
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>>100293055
Yes are you an idiot, since their "power levels" here would be political the mayor of new york holds far more political power than Detroits. Your analogy is awful.
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>>100294070
Whats that have to do with him kicking the other ones ass? You blithering idiot.
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>>100294060
>>100294061

I uploaded wrong one, work off this one please

Captcha's are fucking me over as well
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>>100294061
>Reimu is slightly too high
Not really. Between planet-busting, photon dodging, Fantasy Heaven and defeating Shinki, there's enough to suggest she could go at the bottom of the middleweight chart. But she's fine where she is, really.
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>>100294136
The mental image of Hibiki punching Big O in the face is silly
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>>100293985
No.
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>>100294226

Give me a better picture then.
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>>100294136
Now I want to see a three-way battle between Izayoi, Adam Blade and Momoyo.
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>>100294061
>Carissa should be around Accelerator's level.
Can she even do anything beyond country-level range, as in Britain? She probably shouldn't be above Tetsuo or Ikaros.
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>>100294346
>>>/lebbit/
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How about Garou? He should be mid-high tier, right?
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>>100294306
There's not really a better picture
Hibiki is adorable to the core, so the idea of her punching Big O at all is funny.
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>>100292617
I carried over a few characters from that outdated chart further up. (a chart with Japanese pop culture and no Gundam or Ultraman?)
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We need more shonen characters and less VN stuff. This isn't /jp/.
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>>100294492
>shonen
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>>100294136
Updated

>>100294064

Where would she fit in on this list?
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>>100294476

>Kouga stronger than Goku
>no mention of Gemini Saga

>Accelerator dat low

>dat sameface top
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>GNR/Lilith
It seems weird to even include her/it on this. She's gigantic but she's also incorporeal, she passes right through Central Dogma
Her demonstrated ability is to emit a planet-scale Anti-AT field that forces people exposed to it to lose their individuality and revert to LCL, but that's something that can be overcome by any ordinary person just by reestablishing your consciousness through some introspection
Unless I'm missing something she's more like a natural phenomenon than a thing to be battled.
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>>100294378
No, but Curtana does bypass conventional durability. Plus just one shard of Curtana Second blocked hundreds of mountain-destroying wings.
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Damn, I can't wait for the shitfest of the heavyweights and the inevitable debate of whose multiverse is bigger.
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>>100294476
Stop posting this shit.
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>>100294492
There's only a handful of VN characters on the lightweight chart, and all of them had an anime and/or manga adaptation. Touhou is kind of iffy, but there are official manga, so it's just about okay.
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>>100294559

Do you guys have any other changes to be made or not?
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What about Saitama? Middleweight?
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Reminder that special tier characters should be able to fit into all 3 weight classes.

Also proposing a feather weight class, for characters with little to no super natural abilities, a class for characters who only have their own skill.
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>>100294559
Slightly higher than Shinigami and between Esdese and Winfield.
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>>100294559
Woah, what puts Eva 01 so high?

>She's gigantic but she's also incorporeal, she passes right through Central Dogma
It's pretty much shown she has mass when she collapses onto the planet post-instrumentality.
>something that can be overcome by any ordinary person just by reestablishing your consciousness through some introspection
I'm pretty certain Shinji, as the one used as the instrument for the Third Impact, had to reject it in order for anyone else to have a say. So ruling out Shinji's interference, you'd need to have considerable willpower or command over your own soul.
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>>100294492
Nope, but we should put some Dies Irae's characters instead.
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>>100294761

Then where should it go?
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>>100294594
>No, but Curtana does bypass conventional durability.
Yeah, but there's other factors like speed and things that make durability irrelevant, like regeneration and intangibility.
>Plus just one shard of Curtana Second blocked hundreds of mountain-destroying wings.
A shard equaling Hundreds of mountains doesn't really put it above country-level though. Think of how many mountains you could fit into the landmass of the UK.
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It's nice that you guys are fanwanking but if you don't tell the person who is editing the chart what to do, he isn't going to know what to move and where to move it.
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>>100294820
Who, Eva 01 or Lilith? Both are fine where they were, in my opinion.
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>>100294842

Carissa was fighting on par with Gabriel until Gabriel fucked with her senses.

She and the french chick almost killed Gabriel.
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>>100294761
About the only person on that list that could take on 01 would be Accelerator and even then it would be a stand off.
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>>100294923
Did Gabriel actually engage them seriously? If Gabriel didn't have anything to account for the durability-ignoring factor, then it's not really surprising. Do we even know how durable Gabriel is supposed to be?
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>>100294967
>About the only person on that list that could take on 01 would be Accelerator and even then it would be a stand off.

I'm pretty sure Xelloss would fuck Eva 01 with little to no effort.
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>>100294967
Yes. you obviously don't know anything about Arc of Fiamma
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>>100294967
What makes you say that? Also, there are more powerful characters on the list than Accelerator.
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>>100294559
>>100294476
Anderson is stronger than Walpugris on the full chart, but weaker in the lightweight one. Specify that it is without the nail in the lightweight version, or if it is with the nail, lower walpugris.
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>>100294559
I think Big O should be a bit higher. It's the size of a small skyscraper and can level a city block. It's slow as fuck but it's still too low given it's sheer destructive power.
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>>100295089
Performance wise, Anderson was on par with Pre-Schrodinger Alucard (maybe slightly above with the Nail). Alucard's performance isn't as good as Walpurgis (destoying skyscrapers is about as impressive as Hellsing got, whereas it was trivial for Walpurgis, Alucard would've taken hours to destroy a city whilst Walpurgis would've destroyed the world in several days, etc.)
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>>100295089

So do i move Anderson above it or do i move Walpugris below him?

>>100295099

Big O?
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>>100295230
Neither, Anderson shouldn't be above Walpurgis, see >>100295220.
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>>100295025
Xellos fights with small attacks, 01 is fully armored. At best he could irritate it.

>>100295078
Its a rather large Alien/clone brute with a magical Shield that can do bullshit things. The force of its own weight in a normal attack would be overpowering to most of them on that list. I only mention Accelerator because his ability is specially geared to stop such an attack.
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>>100295024
She could take Kazakiri's attacks, which should be superior to her own.

Plus she can't actually be killed through physical damage, she just reforms a little while later.
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>>100294559
>>100294761
>>100294967
Even Rebuild's Awakened Unit-01, the most powerful incarnation, is still just an exceptionally powerful Evangelion, it can be killed and an AT-Field can't block every kind of attack. Rebuild's version also lacks and S2 engine, which should be considered

>>100295099
>It can level a city block
I agree that it should be a little higher but the world-destroyers start showing up at about the halfway mark
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>>100295265
You forgot that part when Xelloss killed A THOUSAND DRAGONS AT ONCE.
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>>100295297
>She could take Kazakiri's attacks, which should be superior to her own.
Kazakiri could do more than turn half a planet to ash?
>Plus she can't actually be killed through physical damage, she just reforms a little while later.
So Curtana nullifies regeneration? I'm not sure what you're getting at apart from that.
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>>100295297
Gah, meant comparable to her own.
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>>100283687
>Ryougi in special tier when she's just a glorified reality warper with limits

It's shit.
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>>100295220
Perhaps you are right. If we are basing it off pure destructive power then I can understand. Not trying to start anything, but in a straight fight I think that Alucard or Anderson can take down Walpugris and (its a stretch) maybe even Dio/Gil/Hamura. Although timehax/za warudo bullshit is tough. But beating Gil, I'm almost certain both Alucard and Anderson can.
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>>100295265
>The force of its own weight in a normal attack would be overpowering to most of them on that list.
Well not really, considering it's only 40-120 meters tall.
>I only mention Accelerator because his ability is specially geared to stop such an attack.
Well there're others who can deal with that as well.
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>>100295347
The final version of 01 from the canon TV had an S2 engine. 01 also never died so lets not make shit up that it can die, we assume it can die. And again, the only known instance where its reliably penetrated is with the Lance. I dont think any of the characters in this thread have one of those lances.
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>>100294559
Updated

Anything else? i also got rid of the special tier because it's universal between the charts
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>>100291778
I feel it's too out there to include willpower, willpower like keymagic is just absurd and would overpower anything deus-ex style through willpower, but at the same time they only exist within the power of granting for those who deserve it.
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>>100295364
And he could not kill a single half dragon demon. but 01 isnt a dragon so Its not really relevant.
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>>100285255
Honestly I feel like it might be better to just remove the Gurren Laganns and just add Simon.
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>>100295435
Not too sure about Walpurgis being above Saber.
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>>100295498

meant to quote
>>100290447
and >>100290616
here
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>>100294606
He was giving it to a specific person, how about you pay attention.
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If you are going to stick a Touhou on there, shouldnt you stick the strongest Touhou? Or is she a heavy weight?
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her
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It seems a lot of people underestimate Sakura. Is that because she's so cute?
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>>100295435
Right.
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>>100295566

Walpurgis can easily destroy a city and throw skyscrapers around.
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>>100295579
She should be special tier.
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>>100295622
People just forget that shes the all time champion for turning men in to pedophiles. Her power even alters our own reality.
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>>100295435
>>100295482
>Eva-01 above Tetsuo and Nanoha
I feel like this needs to be addressed in some way
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>>100295695

She turned whole generations of men into lolicons and women into lesbians.
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>>100295622
All we're doing is not putting her in the lowest tier. Which means she'll have a place on the next one. That's hardly underestimating her.
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>>100295774
You're still going to be wrong and upsetting people if you try to put her in the mid-tier. Fair warning.
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>>100295516
That's because it was Gaav and he was a Mazoku Lord, duh.
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>>100295715

I assumed it's EoE tree of life EVA.
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>>100295715
Yeah, Tetsuo and Nanoha are a bit to high. Tetsuo was to random and Nanoha is powerless against anyone she doesnt want to be her friends. Who are all little girls btw.
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>>100295833
Thank you but unneeded warning. Since in all honesty I suck at power levels gauging and am mostly lurking this thread a posting the odd comment here and there. Not going to interfere with the decisions of the wise men.
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>>100295867

Nanoha had enough firepower to vaporise a city when she was 10 and a rookie mage. And enough defense to survive Reinforce's attacks. And she defeated somebody who can move at the lighting speed.
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>>100292579
Let's just say, comedic armor (the only one stronger than plot armor) suggests that there might be too much reality in him for reality warpers to warp.
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>>100295867
What about Quatro?
She sure as shit didn't want to be her friend, and yet was able to put a 30 foot wide hole several hundred feet deep in an ancient alien battleship to shoot at her.
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Why is momoyo from majikoi ranked so high? WHAT THE FUCK?

Yes, she's best girl of her series. No contest there. But she's not fucking stronger than a servant.
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>>100295950
When the city is leveled, Eva still stands. AT shields, armor, etc.
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>>100289504
GER has no actual power, all it is is the ultimate shield.
Punching hard does not make you ridiculously powerful.
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>>100295482
Put Medaka in the top of the lightweight
Kumagawa on top of middleweight
Ajimu on top of heavyweight
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>>100296049
I doubt AT field is that different from a magic barrier.
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Do we really need an "alchemy user" colour? Just put it into magic.
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>>100295482
Add Esdese from AgK
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>>100296098
AT shield is described as the manifestation of ones soul, I think. Its been a while since I watched Eva.
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>>100295482

Here, final version, you guys do the rest because you guys aren't being very useful at constructing this at all.
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>>100296164
So it's just a question of "Soul Powers vs. Magic Powers". And I think these two are similar enough for attacks of one type to penetrate/block another type.
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This /v/ tier thread needs to stop. Not only are people retarded but it just brings more shonen tier posting into /a/ from other sites.
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>>100296275
How about you fuck off.
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>>100295867
>>100296049
I haven't watched Akira in like a decade but could Tetsuo just kill Shinji/Unit-01 itself with his mind? He shouldn't have any trouble tearing up the weak fleshy bits and it would completely bypass an AT Field
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>>100296258
Its a question of shear size and weight and soul powers vs magic powers and soft human flesh.

If an Eva was a robot, I would not give it much. But the things also move like Olympic athletes. You should not underestimate that aspect about it.
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Does Rance really belong in special-tier? Sure, he has infinite potential in Continent, he there's no way he could make proper use of it. Besides that he doesn't really have any powers of note.
Levelling past 40 starts to take lots of EXP, and past 70 amount needed just gets insane.
Dark Lords are something like 120-250 and Rance can't take even weaker ones on alone.
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>>100296196
So can we move on to midweight?
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I don't get these charts at all. Why are they so placed so chaotically?

And how is Issei equal/more powerful than Gil?
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>>100291252
He is the weakest level 0 because he has no ESPer power, not even any AIM.
Imagine Breaker is something entirely different, only a handful of people know about it.
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>>100291571
He used his black wings to beat him.
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>>100296098
>>100296164
There's an actual energy figure stated for penetrating an AT field, it's mentioned in reference to the rifle used on Ramiel.
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>>100296304
>>>/v/

And stay there newcomer.
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>>100292833
>Doesn't her NP actually counter Gae Bolg?
Her ridiculous Luck does.
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>>100296471
Well, Nanoha's energy measuring was about 9 million if I'm remembering correctly. Not sure about the units, though.
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>>100296502
Buy not being the person holding it? It only seams to ever kill its user.
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>>100293258
It just shatters against the Holy Right.
One of it's sub power include instantly destroys anything it touches and infinite range.
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I think Eva stuff should be left off. The limits/powers are just too vague.
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>>100295347
Yeah, it shouldn't be near the top or anything, but it should at least be higher than kenshiro.
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I don't really understand how STTGL could be placed so low.
I mean, alright, some people have crazy tricks and things like that. But STTGL is bigger than the universe. He just wreck the galaxy you're in just by moving his finger. How would someone like Nagato be stronger than him ? She wouldn't even have time to rewrite anything before getting wrecked.
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>>100296553
Lancers all have like D rank luck.
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>>100296396
OP here. I'm probably going to make a new thread tomorrow-ish for middleweight, but you guys can go ahead and use >>100285255
to start now if you want. Or just start from scratch.
I'm going to get some shuteye since it's the small hours here. See ya'll in the next thread.
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>>100296561
Wouldn't that create a vacuum that would suck up the worlds air supply? Or how about that time he hit the earth with it while fighting Touma, the earth didnt shatter. Doesnt sound very reliable to me.
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>>100296715
Infinite range, as in, Fiamma can strike and hit whatever he wants.
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Why Sherra is here but not Xellos? His power are more well defined anyway.
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>>100283687

>Esdese so low

You know she can Za Warudo right?
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>>100296749
I think your reading must be very poor as I didnt address the other plot of of its range.
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>>100296415
Issei is surprisingly strong and fast. As early as the fifth volume he was able to destroy a mountain with one of his basic attacks.
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>>100296607
>D Rank
Hah. Like they'd be so lucky.
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Esdese would kill Accelerator in like three seconds.
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>>100296606
It's been mentioned time and time again, Nagato is way too high on those other charts. But they aren't important at the moment.
If it makes you feel any better, STTGL would be right at the top of the middleweight chart.
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>>100296845
Vlad has D rank.
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>>100296961
He's anomalous among Lancers, then.
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>>100296894
Nah I don't care but I feel like people underestimated how huge this shit was, and how much power would a single move would cause.
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>>100292617
It isn't up to Date with Old Kakine who isn't as hax as new one.
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>>100296997
I think Lancer of Red also had D or something better.
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>>100297018
>new Kakine
Please call him by his proper name.
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>>100297074
Volleyball?
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>>100297012
I don't think anyone really underestimates it, it's clearly capable of destroying entire universes. It's just that there are characters even more powerful than that, in the Demonbane weight range.
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>>100297074
Fridgeman?
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>>100296864
This isn't a "who beats who" chart but a chart of pure power. Obviously some characters at equal or lower power levels can beat a higher character if they have some kind of advantage.
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>>100297174
I don't know all these characters, but Nagato is clearly not one of them. To beat STTGL you need something like unlimited resistance, because you'd get hit before you understood the fight has began.
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>>100297225
That should be added to the chart.
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>>100297270
Again, it's POWER, not who beats whom.
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>>100297360
The Index chart posted earlier has it in the legend, just steal it from that.
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No One Punch Man?
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>>100296839
What else is Issei capable of? I'm not contesting his position, but splitting mountains was something Gil supposedly could've done quite casually in Zero, too.
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>>100297493
I don't think that it's possible to put him here because we haven't really seen the actual extent of his abilities. He did say that he can punch a planet's crust to shit though, so there's that.
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>>100297270
Well, as I already said, Nagato shouldn't be that high.
Anyway, those charts aren't important anymore.
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>>100297720
Were they ever?
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>>100297687
Fair enough. I imagine he'll end up being Midweight tier if we ever get to see the full extent of his power.
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I love some powerlevel chart building, nice to see someone starting from semi-scracth and building this up again.

Trust me I know how shit it is working on these lists when you have type-moon/eva/index fag trying to shit up all discussion.
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>>100297854
We just need some real criteria for chart. Because now it is just random characters here and there.
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>>100297460
Power is kind of vague.
Destructive power? Amount of mana? Other kind of criterion?
Add Fortissimo and Dies Irae characters, some of them have unlimited power up.
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>>100297854
>type-moon/eva/index fags
without them the chart wouldn't exist
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>>100297967
They'll probably be added, but not now, we're in the lightweights.
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>>100297529
He's been shown to be able to break through dimensions, rip through magic with his bare hands, and move faster than some people can react to.
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>>100298006
The thing is, you need to decide how to evaluate a character by a finite numbers of criteria.
Take Kisshot for example: what makes her weaker than Accelerator when she couldn't die even after jumping into the sun, while Acc would've become a hamburger?
What makes Izayoi better than Sakuya or Esdese when they can stop time?
All of this for low or mid-tier characters.
Expect a glorious shitstorm for the higher tiers when you have to decide how to judge a multiversal character, which universe can be taken into consideration, et cetera.
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>>100296076
But what about Diavolo?

Even his death was zero'd. Surely that's some kind of offensive power at work.
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>>100299217
It's the defensive power applied to the Diavolo.
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>>100285255
Thank you for spoiling Hakuoro's final form for me.
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Somewhere in the middle of the thread Gil became something else and jumped somewhat up in power. But I can't find what was suggested. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but if anyone knows I'd like to know.
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>Killua

Atleast put Netero in there so Hunter has someone decent
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Why the girls from my otome are too high? I don't remember them that strong
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>>100301306
See:>>100286661 and >>100287202. Continent-to-planetary level power, plus relativistic speed and hax.
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>>100290249
Yugifag here; just a picture of Ccapac Apu's face is fine. Overall more Demon-power, I guess, but it's really a toss-up.
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>>100302062
By which I mean 'this one should do'.
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>>100302466
If we do Yugioh now, Dragon Rulers need to be in there too.
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>>100302550
Dragon Rulers in the fluff are hardly more than threats to a city; Trishula should get onto the chart before they do, since we have a glut of city-threatening beings.

While I'm posting: From Yugioh's DT storyline, Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier. Froze the planet over the instant he was awakened. Living apocalypse, literally ends the storyline by appearing for the first time..

On the chart: I'd say the bottom of the Middleweight class, considering he brought a new Ice Age by just waking up.
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>>100302927
She.
Also, If we're sticking Trish on there, we need Sophia
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>>100302927
Fuck that, Dragon Rulers are the most vile and powerful motherfuckers to ever hit the game.
Fucking first turn Big Eye, while never losing hand advantage.
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>>100291105
I think Arsene from Milky Holmes might near the top of this list as a reality warper.
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>>100303038
>She

Always forget that part.

Information on Sophia's power level is scarce at best, so honestly I'd shy away from adding it to the chart. Trishula froze the world so hard that time stopped, which gives us a much more accurate indication of power.

If we must: Sophia, Goddess of Rebirth. World-threatening being, Divine-type, no real power level known other than forcing the cooperation of two mortal foes to defeat. On the chart: equal to Walpurgisnacht.

>>100303159
Sorry, we're working off the power level in canon. If we base characters off how much they impacted the community, it'd be stupid.
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DT anime when?
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>>100295836
I think anon was trying to say he lost to Valgaav, but that was because he was playing around torturing him rather than finishing the job - classic villain mistake.



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