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Am I crossing the line by saying that Madoka was better than Evangelion?
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>>100277082
Evangelion was hippie trash. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise
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i'm afraid so, yes. if you want to make a similar but a bit more mild statement you could argue that utena is better instead
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NGE will always be a starter anime. Rebuild is a nice attempt at continuation, but Anno is trying too hard to be edgy(BIG SURPRISE).

Most of the threads you see about it on /a/ are started by people who weren't even alive when it was new.
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Eva was a shitty overrated mess of emotions though.
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>>100277521
And Madoka wasn't?
Anon pls
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>>100277559
He kinda has a point. That said, no, because opinions.
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>>100277559
Madoka's ending was simpler and was easier to interpret. There was no "ooh those ountains in the sandbox represent a mother and thats nerv" bullshit. Holy fuck, at the very least Madoka got the the fucking point a lot faster and clearer than Eva.
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Rebellion > Rebuild 3.0
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>>100277642
I don't understand people who go "Eva/Madoka was shit! Madoka/Eva was better!"

Both are character studies with darker themes that stand out against their respective genres, yet still have their prominent differences, and arguably are overrated.
They're both still very enjoyable, and I'm not sure what >>100277365 and >>100277521's issues are.
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>>100277735
>There was no "ooh those ountains in the sandbox represent a mother and thats nerv" bullshit.
not in evangelion either

>at the very least Madoka got the the fucking point
there wasn't much of a point to get to
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>>100277082
Only if you're implying that either of them were good
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>>100277735
So what you mean to say is that you're very dense.

Alright, fair enough.

>>100277771
This enough is true even if I still disliked Rebellion.
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>>100277823
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Theory_and_Analysis:Sandbox_Sequence

Do you see how delusional these people are?
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>>100277735
They even admitted that all the christian imagery in eva was to "make it look cool"
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>>100277082
>Am I crossing the line by saying that Madoka was better than Evangelion?

Thinking it is fine.

Coming here and saying it in a new thread is just looking for trouble.
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Eva was a masterpiece due to the state of the authors mind.

Madeka is just shock value the anime with time twist.
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They both tried too hard to be meaningful. If they removed all the symbolical bullshit they would be so much better.
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Crossing the line from delusion into reality. Eva wasn't this much of a hit when it came out
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fuck you guys trying to troll
we all know madoka is a masterpiece
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>>100277883
So growing tired of cryptic "artistic expression" makes one dense? Okay.
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>>100277895
yes, sure, but what i'm trying to get across is that a scene of a playground is what it is, it's not some super pretentious metaphor because some people on the internet speculate about it
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>>100277799
>I'm not sure what >>100277365 and >>100277521's issues are.

Most likely trying to b8 too hard.
I wouldn't really compare them though. Eva and Mado are actually some nice shows in their own ways.
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>>100278015
I hate artistic bullshit in general. I just wanted fun things and cute girls in robots. All I got was some Japanese psycho's drunken anime fantasy.
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Eva was the innovator while madoka just copied
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Did anyone even like the characters in madoka? serious question.
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>>100278114
Kyoko is my waifu
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>>100278114
mochiron deshou!
sakura? mami sama? FUKKIN MADOKA mang
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>>100278015
Well, you basically admitted to not understanding Eva or know how to analyze, when in reality the old excuse of Eva being "too hard" to understand is bullshit.

But if you're truly just like simple anime, that's fine.
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>>100277082
Yes. Madoka was great, but it pales in comparison to Evangelion.
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>>100278142
tooshino kyouko?
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I think Madoka is the most overrated anime in history.
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I think Anno is a pretentious cockmonkey, therefore I no longer watch his work.
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>>100278191
no
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>>100278114
Nope.

Madoka was a qt 3.14 though. I also liked Mami.
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>>100278075
>I hate artistic bullshit in general.
Too bad for you.
>I just wanted fun things and cute girls in robots.
There's a ton of shit like that, I don't understand why somebody would complain because something else dares to be "different."
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>>100278221
Evangelion is the reason faggots bitch about "the old days" while Madoka came out way after.
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>>100277082
Only line you're crossing is the boundary into shit taste.
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>>100277082
Yes you are, the only aspects that Madoka is better than EVA is in the Development of the characters and it's soundtrack.
EVA had superior animation sequences (despite having no budget), a better over arching storyline, a better ending (End of EVA), better character design (subjective opinion), EVA had an actual message, and far superior Directing by Anno.
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>>100277082
Madoka was better than nothing. This thing sucked.
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>>100278142
>>100278143

I guess I walked right into maiwaifu but I found the cast pretty insufferable. Madoka was the worst imo, she literally does nothing nothing for 11 episodes and then the show ends with the dumbest deus ex machina. The themes of the show are only relevant if you ignore the MC's inability to react to basic shit happening around them.
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>>100278628
MADOKA SOUNDTRACK BETTER THAN EVA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAYOUFUCKINGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAOMGWTFTHEREARENOWORDSFORTHISKINDOFSHITASTEITSJSUTINCREDIBLEAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>100278801
>deus ex machina

Do you even know what the fuck that means?
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>>100277082

No. EVA was monster of the week with giant monsters for Christ's sake.

It was great for it's time. I loved it when I was 14-15.

But Madoka is just better.
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>>100278114
Nah, people make lots of threads about them because they're just that awful
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>>100278801
But she did nothing because of Homura preventing her from getting scammed by the jew alien. Remember episode 10?
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Both are overrated
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>>100278825
>implying it's wrong
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>>100278885
anyone who uses the word deus ex machina to describe Maadoka doesn't remember anything about the show.
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>>100278143
Kill yourself you fucking weeaboo.
>using romaji
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>>100278628
>soundtrack.
Holy shiiit.
There was nothing wrong with Madoka's soundtrack, but come on anon.
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>>100278825
All I can remember from EVA is the OP, that time they played Beethoven's 9th, and Komm Susser Todd, so I may have pulled that out of my ass.
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>>100278937

More like never even saw the show.
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Madoka = Sensible, Thrilling, Masterpiece,
Eva = Cash cow being milked to death, makes absolutely no sense

The choice is clear OP
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>>100278889
>competently made show with large fanbase = overrated
>competently made show with small fanbase = masterpiece, under appreciated gem etc etc

Why can't we just call shows good when they are good. Jesus christ /a/ stop being so tsundere.
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>>100278825
I've watched the eva series over 10 times. All I remember is the OP. I remember several from Madoka after only watching it once.
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>>100278940
その方で良いかな~
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>>100278825
>shitty J-Pop opening
>classical music everywhere

That shit barely even had a soundtrack. They just shoved a random classical piece everywhere and called it a day.
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So when can someone watch Rebellion without it being a shitty cam? Like, ballpark figures: This spring? Later?
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>>100279035

In 3 months.
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>>100278827
>>100278937
>>100278989

"I wish to erase all witches from existence before they're even born. Every witch in the universe, from the past and the future, with my own hands"
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>>100279009
You Can (not) Be Serious

>>100279035
April 2nd + time it takes to rip.
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>>100278928
if you think that you have absolutely no taste at all, i mean people with shit taste have a taste for shit you on the other hand are tasteless. maybe you haven't sat down and listened to Eva

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3pUI9Xbjdo&list=PLA2F6D46DC36F73D7&feature=share
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>>100279022
I would eat watermelon chunks out of her asshole
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>>100279009
Madoka is a cash cow as well.
Have you seen Rebellion? Gotta love that reset of the universe so they can mine some more cash.
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>>100279027
>I've watched the eva series over 10 times. All I remember is the OP.
my condoleances on your senility
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>>100279079
You should check what deus ex machina means.
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>>100279009
>Madoka = Sensible, Thrilling, Masterpiece
Give it time anon, there's a reason why we call hin $hinbo
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>>100279084
I watched Eva with an open mind several times. I even liked the story. Now it's just bullshit fillers being released as (new) episodes. Anno needs to start a new franchise, it's been too long.
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>>100279102
Why can't we just get a slice of life universe? Or at least magic madoka killing monsters of the week.
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>>100279079

Again, you don't know what Deus Ex Machina means.

It was not shit out of nowhere. Whole series was building up to that moment. QB said countless times that her wish can change everything and she can become a God.

Deus Ex Machina would be a random new character appearing out of nowhere and solving everything.
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>>100279091
I watched everything eva only once and nothing stood out except the OP, there was also some classical but I don't consider it part of the OST.
Also your track is nothing special. And madoka has a lot of good tracks.
But hey, you're gonna throw your "shit taste" argument once again.
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>>100279110
Let's hear you hum an Eva-original tune on vocaroo that isn't Cruel Angel's Thesis.
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>>100279102

The thing is everything in Rebellion makes sense.

As opposed by 3.33 and all the mindless trash that's there only for the sake of milking.
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>>100279133
>has an entire magizine dedicated to spin off manga
>25% of the movie is pandering scenes (transformation/hand holding with ships/keki)

Although it was good pandering unlike rebuild, both series are in the milking stage, its best simply to appreciate both original series for being well made.
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>>100279189
objective shit taste
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>>100279321
Great comeback.
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>>100279261
Right, both are trying to cash in on the hype but eva and anno had their day.. several times over. Madoka just getting started. Eva story has become so complex even anno has no clue what the hell he is doing anymore
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>>100279211
lets hear you hum a madoka original tune
(only you know you cant do it without reference)
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>>100279245
The trash comes after they reset the universe.
Also I don't really blame Gianax for cashing in, considering the desperate financial straits they were in during the production of the original series, Anno didn't even direct the first two movies.
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NGE>Madoka>shit>Rebuilds
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>>100279362
thank you master
you totally won
im sorry
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>>100279458
No actually I'm the one who's sorry I shouldn't have said that
I'm sorry
Gomen
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>>100279189
The OP?
Komm, Susser Tod?
The Flow of Emptiness?
Air II?
Escape to the Beginning?
Thanatos?
Decisive Battle?
The Beast?
The Beast II?
Honeymoon with Anxiety?
Mother is the First Other?
Good, or Don't Be?
Eva 01?
Both of You, Dance Like You Want to Win?
Rei II?

And not to mention Showdown from Eva 1.0. Also 3.0's soundtrack, and that song that played when Mari fought Zeruel in Eva 2.0, and glorious Utada singing Sakura Nagisha.

Take a fucking seat, anon.
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>>100279364

EVA was never a complex story.

It's simply retarded. They were just throwing random references everywhere to make it seem DEEP and complex.

It was a nice show. Great for it's time. But fanboys claiming it's the best thing ever are just idiots.
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>>100279492
Well if you include the rebuilds soundtrack it's a different matter.
And no, they didn't stick out while I watched the show. Maybe if I watched the show 50 times like you probably did I would remember them.
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>>100279374
Not that anon but I still remember the music when Godoka saves all the girls as its a good scene as well as the Walmart fight music. I've listened to both OSTs extensively and I would say they both have standout tracks.
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Here is a few tracks from the last 2 movies, because I cant be assed to do the original and EoE

Rebuild 2.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQ8gFiydpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP3CGuBtBGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZnvfFUeOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PdheiAT-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndwtZToVcno

Rebuild 3.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZpbxT1xRNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQve3OQY3FU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmHbboM5yMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGuMeMsR6sk
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>>100279492
good list but you forgot
hedgehogs dilemma
death and rebirth in D
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>>100279028
はいはい
I just started learning kana, please rape my face
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>>100279492
>forgetting Infantile Dependence, Rei III, NERV, Introjection, and False Regeneration
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>>100279562
>Walmart fight music

What?
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>>100279546
All the religious imagery is horseshit, but there is some well done subtext there, the motivations can also seem confusing, but I assure you it all makes sense.
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>>100279492
>Seperation Anxiety no where to be found on that list

Technically Showdown from 1.0 is the same as Angel Attacks
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>>100279492
I hope you didn't forget about The Heady Feeling of Freedom anon.
Personally it's one of my favourites.
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>>100279706
Who wants to type out all this Latin shit, its shorthand for Walpurgis Night

The track is Surgam Identidem
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>>100279770
Ok noted. Thank you,
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>>100277082
No because NGE is overrated as shit. EoE and 2.0 are the only two things that are good about NGE.
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>>100279932
>2.0
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>>100279770
Oh shit son. That song was god tier.

>>100279492
Expansion of Blockade and Substitute Invasion from EoE deserve a mention. And Gap of Dream.

You know what, fuck it. EoE's entire soundtrack was just great.
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>>100279932
>can only list nge as bad because of it's popularity

As expected from a tripfag.
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>>100279374
Could hum probably 10 or so tracks from the madoka ost.

Eva would be... Cruel Angel's Thesis and Komm Susser Todd.

Part of this would be that I actually cared about stuff happening in Madoka, thus the OST carries more memories in addition to being good. Eva is probably the same way for people who like Eva but I really couldn't place or care less about 90% of the Eva tracks posted in this thread.
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>>100277082
You're not crossing the line for saying Madoka>Eva but by saying ANY anime you like>anime others like
just stop it, people have different opinions, different taste. Unless you go into technical details, which would require a LOT of research none of us have the patience to, you can't compare the quality of a series to another.
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>>100277082
>am I crossing the line by having opinions
No you loser, think whatever you want, /a/ is not and will never be a hivemind. They're both great series.
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>>100279566
Man, I don't remember any of these.
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>>100278628
EVA had a message, but it was pretty boring, wasn't always connected to what was happening, and Anno being a lazy ass outright told you what the message was in the TV ending.

Madoka also had a message, but it was far more complex, elaborated on over the course of the entire series, and the show respected the viewers' intelligence enough to not outright tell them what they should think. That's better writing, to leave people with interpretations they can discuss and reason about. It was a more interesting message and it was better told.

Additionally, Madoka was better written because it was entirely self-contained. Everything that happened made sense if you thought about solely what the show presented. Whereas EVA has a bunch of complicated sounding stuff that is never elaborated on in the show, but supplementary material reveals it for very boring mundane plot elements that are somewhat crucial, but totally neglected.
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Yes, even the writer of Madoka would disagree.
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>>100281139
Japs are publicly humble.

Of course there's no way they would say that their creation is better than a massively profitable, established franchise with a longer history.
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>>100281229

I was implying Urobuchi is a massive fan of Eva.
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>>100279492
>no Borderline Case

>>100279618
>Infantile Dependence
my nigga
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>>100277082
I think I learn towards Madoka over Evangelion as well. If movies counted, Madoka would literally be AOTY every year since its release.
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>>100277920
Madoka didn't have any obtrusive symbolism. It got its meaning across very clearly.
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>>100278114
She's one of my favorite characters of all time. Yes, even after Rebellion.
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>>100278628
I love Kajiura and think Madoka is better than Eva but even then I'm a little hesitant to say Madoka's soundtrack was better.
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>>100278801
This is probably the most uneducated and sheep-minded thing written in the thread.
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>>100279079
How can someone be so stupid?
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>>100279091
This. Munashiki Nagare is hands-down the best track in Evangelion but I honestly think Decretum tops it.
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>>100281325
Nah, he is the massive fan of Gundam
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>>100279102
The most impressive part about Rebellion was how organic it was as a continuation to the main series. It even hard confirmed a question many people had in the original epilogue. It wasn't a reset and that would be obvious to anyone who watched the movie with a brain.
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>>100279374
I could hum half the soundtrack.
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I was able to watch Evangelion all the way through, and enjoy it.

Still can't get past episode 6 of Madoka. I didn't find even one of the previous episodes slightly enjoyable. I sure as hell don't see the depth you people see.
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>Am I crossing the line by saying that Madoka was better than Evangelion?

Yes, you are.
Madoka was a predictable anime. Since they can make a wish, any wish, she just could say "Stop entropy" or the same wish she did and add "... and I want survive!". It's is magic, you can do anything.

While Evangelion was and still is unpredictable. Could you image that end? Or EoE? Or Rebuild? No, you can't.

I am not saying Evangelion is the pinacle of japanese animation, but is much, much better than Madoka.
The pinacle is GitS SAC
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>>100282541
>Stop entropy
Do you even know what that means?
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>>100282541
>Madoka was a predictable anime.
No.

>she just could say "Stop entropy"
No.

> "... and I want survive!"
You are retarded.
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>>100277082
It probably is, because it didn't have as much filler. Evangelion is still 10/10 though
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>>100282671
>No.
It's was a predictable. It is not my fault that you can't think when you are watching a simple anime.

>No.
She could have at least thought about it.

>You are retarded.
My psychiatrist said I am a normal person.
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>>100282541
Madoka wasn't predictable. The majority of viewers wanted Madoka to make a wish and revive Mami in episode 4 when it was first airing.
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>>100282851
It's apparent that you haven't thought about it.
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>>100282985
>wanted revive Mami
Because they are kids.

Want something is diferent than take all the facts and see what the author will make.
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>>100283165
Hindsight is 20/20. How would you even know when you have all the facts. Things were being revealed up until episode 11. Can something really be predictable if you're still given information you didn't know about up until the end?
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>>100282004
>Still can't get past episode 6
well there's your problem nigger
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>>100282851
>It's was a predictable.
No. No one predicted what happens when it aired.

>She could have at least thought about it.
That would go against her motivation and theme of the show. Eg. asspull.

>My psychiatrist said I am a normal person.
Find a better one.
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>>100283248
>Can something really be predictable if you're still given information you didn't know about up until the end?

Sure!
For exemple a new anime: Kill la Kill.
It was obvious something big will happen around ep. 13~16, it was obvious she will lose some fights and now it is obvious she will get Sangetsu again, maybe stronger.
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>>100279169
is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted themself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or as a comedic device.

>QB said countless times that her wish can change everything and she can become a God.

Granted this was foreshadowed in the plot, but QB himself didnt think it would work like that, if he had, he would have explained that everything, including the part about being able both end the paradox (magi<witches) and preventing entropy by making the exact wish she ended up making.
In actuality,Telling madoka she could become a god was inconsequential as he could not predict there was any wish that she could make that would allow her instantly fix everything, he told her that so she'd contract and eventually become Kriemhild Gretchen which could be harvested for its grief seed and continue to combat entropy.
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>>100283462
Wow something big will happen? That's really great, you must be a psychic!
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>>100282851
You clearly weren't around when Madoka was airing.
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>>100277082
There isn't much that isn't better than Evangelion
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Both were pretentious clusterfucks of EDGE and pseudo philosophical babbling pretending to be "deep."
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>>100283487
That's not all! I predict that it will end in the last episode.
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I preferred Madoka too.
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>>100283462
Shit, just like how I predicted Kiniro Mosaic will have cute girls doing cute things in every episode. Predictable trash.
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>>100283527
And?
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>>100277082
Whenever somebody says Madoka or Evangelion was better than the other...

Does anybody else think of Kaname Madoka and Evangelion Unit-01 instead of Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Neon Genesis Evangelion?
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>>100283667
No.

At least eva pilot Homu wouldn't be a whiny little bitch.
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>>100283248
Did you never read a bood in your life? When something is predictable doesn't matter any new fact, you aready know how it will be in the end (like Madoka).
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>eva vs madoka
I really wish people would stop pushing this. They're two totally different shows with two totally different purposes. The only similarity is they're popularity.
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>>100283711
She'd be an autistic bitch.
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>>100286167
she already is
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>>100286214
Homura is not a bitch. She may be autistic though. She definitely shows some symptoms.
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>>100286390
Autistic enough to be completely Madoka obsessed, but that's what makes her so great.
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>>100277082
That's going full retard, OP
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>>100286074
michale bay movies and (insert filmmaker you personally believe to produce masterpieces) most likely produces movies with two totally different purposes. You can still judge them and compare them on their own merits as they still belong to the same medium. apples vs oranges doesn't apply here
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>>100286496
That is one of the things I love about Homura too.
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>>100286496
That is one of the things I like about Homura. Obsessed people can be interesting.
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>>100286680
>>100286733
I'm obsessed to cocaine. I assure you it's nothing interesting.
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>>100277082
That's an awfully low bar you're setting for yourself OP.
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>>100286679
Being in the same medium doesn't make a comparison warranted. It's just a waste of time to compare something romantic comedy to a spaghetti western for example. What can anyone get out of that?
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>>100286831
>not getting high on megucas instead
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>>100286831
It's interesting to study what makes someone obsessed. Crack addicts apply too.
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>>100287017
You know, that makes me wonder, what happens once Homura gets Madoka? That shit only seems faulty to me when I get the impression I won't be having it.
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Nope. Hell, even Anno admits it's much better
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>>100287260
Ptsd probably. It's terribly tragic, but Homura can never have a happy relationship with Madoka. It's not like a crack addiction because I don't think crack addicts enjoy the act of chasing down crack.
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>>100286905
>Being in the same medium doesn't make a comparison warranted.
Which is not what its happening here, comparing one of the more successful franchises in a medium to a more recent, modern hit is a fair comparison and there is plenty to be gain if one wants to see the changes in said medium.

But even if the above wasn't the case, there is plenty one can get out of comparing two works from different genres, especially if they belong to the same medium. How well music, color and cinematography are used can be compared.
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>>100287364
Then again, I'm not sure Homura enjoys chasing down Madoka.
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>>100287450
Homura said the suffering was enjoyable because it reminded her of Madoka.
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>>100282541
>unpredictable means good
>Predictable means bad

I guess Code Geass is a master piece then?
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Don't worry, you're just being hilarious.
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>>100287479
That is just not fucking normal.
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Eva is edgy teenager problems
Madoka is love
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>>100287588
Well neither is Homura.
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>>100287588
Homura was always been crazy. Rebellion turned it up to 11 though.
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>>100278009
>masterpiece
keep deluding yourself
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First she's wide, now she's long?
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>>100287808
Tell us why it isn't. Just try.
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>>100287875
That's bullshit. You are the one making the claim "Madoka is a masterpiece". You're expected to provide reasons for why it is.
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>>100278628
I wouldn't say Madoka has better character development than Eva. I mean, the most developed characters in Madoka (as of Rebellion movie) are Sayaka and Homura, and while their issues are powerful, they still pale in comparison to the entire messed up cast of Evangelion. Evangelion had some very complex characters trying to hold themselves together as the story progressed, whereas Madoka ended up with two developed characters and a cast of mostly two dimensional extras (unless you want to argue that Kyouko is developed too. I have no problem with that). Oh, and Momoe Nagisa.

As for soundtrack you can't really compare the two, because both are really damn amazing. The animation's a good point, but SHAFT doesn't rely of smooth animation to get their directing done. That said, Rebellion had some insanely smooth animation AND maintained that animation quality more or less through the entire movie.

Eva's first half was episodic filler which developed the characters but wasn't terribly great for plot. And let's face it: there is so much of Eva which ended up being filled in with supplementary materials because the story tried to bite off far more than it could chew, with its over the top Christian references (which, as the producers said, they threw in just to make Eva stand out).

And, yeah, Anno's directing is amazing.
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>>100278114
Homura and Madoka are the only actual characters, the rest are set pieces to advance the story.
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>>100289001
What the fuck? Did you even watch it?
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>>100287330
>With the hope that this series will become the necessary catalyst to change the world we live in

I lol'd
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>>100289037
are you seriously asking that

yes of course i did
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>>100288634
This image is bullshit.
The only people who would post this again and again is a faggots who never watched both of them.
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Eva had much more memorable direction, imagery and setting. Eva also has a more engaging cast of characters, although it helps that it had 26 episodes + EoE to develop them. I liked Madoka as well, but compared to Eva, it didn't have that much of an impact on me.
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>>100289246
The only people who say this image is bullshit are stupid madoka fanboys.
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>>100289402
Yeah nah.
Even the very first comparison is bullshit.

>Contract with Kanzaki Shirou

This is wrong, and everybody who watched Ryuuki would've known this. Its a shitty troll chart made by troll who knew and reposted by ignorant faggots.
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>>100289001
>implying Sayaka wasn't the strongest character of the TV anime
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>>100289730
>exhausts herself doing what Kyouko or Homura could do in their sleep
pls
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>>100289730
No one was talking powerlevels. Madoka powerlevels is
Madoka > Mami > Homura or Kyoko (not quite sure) >>>>>>>> Sayaka
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>>100289800
i think he meant strongest as in characterization

i agree she behaved the most like a regular human bean but it was really just a stepping stone for the real players
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>>100289803
>Mami
>not getting beheaded by cake bitch because she's dumb

In the series
Madoka > Homura > Kyouko > Mami > Sayaka

In Rebellion
Homura > Madoka > Mami > Sayaka > Kykouko
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I can't even compare it.
Yuri > haremshit anyday.
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>>100289891
In the series, Mami is still the most powerful. She only lost to Charlotte because she was showing off. I don't even know how you come to the conclusion that Kyoko is stronger though. And Homura gets tied up by Mami pretty easily.
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>>100290099
She's only the most powerful (except for Madoka) if Homura isn't using her time fuckery.

Only two of them have become gods, and Homura did it out of her own will rather than a wish.
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>>100283248
Were you here when it was airing? By episode 2 or 3 we already knew that Witches were Magical Girls. Even before episode 10 aired, people already were expecting Madoka to become a god.
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>>100278862
>>100278801
>>100278114
Maybe since these posts were made 7 hours ago but I had no idea there were people that didn't like ANYONE in the cast. I honestly liked them all when everything was said and done.
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>>100290214
Mami will almost always win in a fight since she can stop Homura from using her time manipulation. Homura can still go without her time powers as shown in Rebellion, but she still loses to Mami.
>Homura did it out of her own will rather than a wish.
I thought the running theory is that it was Homura's wish that allowed her to become a god. Elaborate?
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>>100279030
>That shit barely even had a soundtrack. They just shoved a random classical piece everywhere and called it a day.
>One piece of classical music that ended with Sayaka's art
>Yuki Kajiura

what
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>>100290305
Christ, your taste must be awful.
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>>100279030
You could say the same thing about Eva.

But yes Madoka is shit
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>>100278825
I don't know how to judge music objectively so I can only judge music based on if I enjoyed listening to it. So I'd say Madoka's was better.
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>>100290302
Bullshit.
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>"Madoka is so great!"
>twist in the end consists of "I just wish for infinite superpowers x)"
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>>100290585
There's an archive you can check if you don't believe it.
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>>100290606
>Evangelion is so great
>Twist at the end is that the main character is homosexual
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>>100290372
No you
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Did Madoka change the industry?
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>>100290680
Give it time
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>>100277898

There was plenty of other imagery in eva.
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>>100290680
Of course, there are lots of Madoka's references in lots of animes.
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>>100290680
No, and it won't. You people will stop talking about Madoka in this year probably.
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>>100277082
Madoka is shorter than Eva but still managed something MORE satisfying. Eva was all over the places, especially with budget.
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>>100290635
Why is Kaworu so kawaii?
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>>100290606
>>twist in the end consists of "I just wish for infinite superpowers x)"

Please tell me you're trolling.
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>>100290680
Madoka is not even SHAFT's best seller.
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>>100290340
That's definitely possible, but it would also mean Homura must always be powerful enough to protect Madoka even in as a goddess.

I don't recall seeing Homura with any kind of a weapon since AI YO. She's not a meguca anymore, she's something like Madokami but with seemingly no restrictions on what she's capable of. My theory is she has no need for one since no human/meguca/wraith can posw a threat to her anymore.

Also, we see time shield Homura fight Mami in her barrier when she was really Bowmura at the time. She had an entirely different set of powers that were more Madoka-ish.
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>>100290747
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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I recall him jacking off to a comatose girl in eoe. I thought that was the twist.
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>>100290747
Wait till season 2 is announced. In time Madoka will be talked about more than Evangelion.

Besides, Eva's old as shit.

>>100290789
But it's still SHAFT's best series.
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>>100290761
I'm absolutely serious.
>I wish for infinite time powers to change everything in every universe in every timeline
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I like Madoka a lot, in fact, it's my AOTY 2011. NGE is just so much better though.

Madoka is like a 8/10, while Eva is a high 9/10, possibly even a 10/10.
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>>100290811
And it won't win.

>B-But it deserves it!
No it doesn't.

>B-but I wanna see Shinbo and Urobutcher try to speak English!

I do too but it will never happen

And it will ruin the fanbase even more if it does win. As hard as that is to imagine.
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>>100290789
Monogatari makes more money than Madoka?
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End of Eva was way more impactful than the first Madoka movie, and was better.
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>>100290906
Yep.
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>>100290811
It won't win. It won't even get nominated.
>>100290823
>it's currently airing
>it will be more talked about than a 15 year old show
Well shit. Looks like Madoka really is influential after all!
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>>100290823
Either SZS or Bakemonogatari are best SHAFT's shows.
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>>100290839
It would take too long to explain to you why that's wrong. Then again, it's not like Madoka threads have much discussion anymore considering it's all been talked about already. I feel split between explaining this to you and doing my lab report due in 3 hours that I haven't started on.

>>100290894
Of course it won't, it's the academy. And I agree on every other point. My point was that it's made quite an impact.
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>>100290823
>But it's still SHAFT's best series.

That's not SZS.

>>100290906
Yes.
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>>100290959
>>100290978
In BD sales or all around?
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I didn't think Eva was all that great, maybe it's 2deep5me
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>>100291006
BD sales, that's where the studio gets more profit.
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>>100290680
No, not really. It used magical girl cliches very heavily so it didn't really do anything change worthy. The only people who think it changes anything are those unfamiliar with the magical girl genre.

It did have really interesting art direction but other than that I'd seen it before dozens of times.
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>>100290099
Homura lost to Mami because she got surprise attack first (tied ribbon to her ankle).
If fight fairly Homura will time stop > shoot soulgem.
There will be no Magical Girl that can win over Homura when they fight fairly. Even Oriko have to combine her power with the witch to fight head on with Homura.
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>>100290635
People like Eva more because they want to see Shinji get fucked by Kaoru instead of Madoka get fucked by Homura.
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>>100291656
Mami can just make a clone and beat Homura even if Homura stops time.
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>>100291656
If it wasn't for those ribbons Mami would have lost every single time.

Homura doesn't _need_ her time stop, and I think she loses it after Madoka becomes god.

>>100291801
ewwww
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>>100291801
Maybe if you watched Eva post 2012.
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>>100290811
Eva don't even tried to enter this because they are realize that they are objectively inferior to Madoka
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>>100291872
>beat Homura even if Homura stops time

How exactly? Time is fucking stopped for everyone except Homu, how do you hurt her? Also Mami is destined to get fucked one way or the other, she always dies no matter the scenario. There's a good chance that if they really fought Homu would be destined to kill Mami
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>>100287483
>I guess Code Geass is a master piece then?

No, in a way it was both predictable and unpredictable. Which worked out in the end.
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>>100291872
That's the kind of trick that only works once. If Homura really wanted to kill Mami for some reason, she'd just stop time and shoot her soul gem.

... or now she'd do something completely different, like maybe erase Mami from the universe, wipe her memory, have her Clara dolls kill her, etc.
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>>100277082
Eva is based on real, existing philosophy real people subscribe to, Madoka is based on severe misunderstanding of high school level physics.
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>>100291872
And clone is another surprise attack that Mami prepare before the fight. If they fight face to face Mami will never have a chance to create a clone and got time stop > Blow Mami's head with rpg or shove the pipe bomb inside her mouth > Mami lose her head.
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>>100291922
>homura stops time
>homura shoots bullet
>it stops right in front of mami's sg
>presumably, once homu unstops time bullet hits sg
>homu resumes time
>bullet hits clone
>homu tied up
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>>100292105
>homuhomu now knows about Mami's ribbon trick
>Mami has no memory of the previous universes
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>>100281052
>EVA had a message
Eva had a lot of messages. Yeah the most obvious and maybe biggest one was kind of spelled out for you at the end of the series in almost mr. rogers fashion, but go in almost any Eva thread on /a/ and you'll see some pretty intense discussion on how people interpreted the show and what they got out of it.

Saying that Madoka had a far more complex message than Eva when Eva had such a rich cast of characters with something compelling to show the viewer is preposterous.

You're self-contained part is correct though, and that's one of Eva's biggest flaws.
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>>100292105
>Mami just learn bunshin from Naruto and can swap herself with her bunshin everytime she got hit by a bullet.
Next season Mami will use Rasengan create by her ribbon and destroy Walmat in 1 strike.
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>>100291906
>Eva don't even tried to enter this because they are realize that they are objectively inferior to Madoka

Don't reverse troll. That's not nice.
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I try so fucking hard to get into EVA, I know I'd love it, for some reason, I just can't fucking enjoy the characters, animation, dialogue, etc.
Maybe I'm just trying to watch it to far after it's been out, maybe I just hate that kind of mecha, maybe I will never know that joy
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>>100277082
No. Eva is fucking boring garbage and the Japanese government must have brainwashed its population during Eva's airing for so many people to like that piece of smelly dog shit.
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>>100277082

Its hard to think of anything that isn't better than eva. Maybe one of the Yamakan shows. Maybe,
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>>100292609
>EVA
>joy
well, that's not how it works
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>>100277082
Of course not, only a handful finished Eva, while everybody on /a/ finished Madoka.
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>>100292762
Shinjew?
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>>100292887
That's because few were willing to endure two cour of pretentious tripe about a wuss, a bitch and a mannequin. Can't fucking blame them.
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>>100293078
No.
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>>100292575
>>100290971
>>100290811
>Rebellion
>good
Bitch, please..
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The angels in both series are total bitches.
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>>100281052
>madoka
>message

lol

Madoka was commercialized pedobait, nothing more. Being grimdark doesn't automatically make something deep.
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>>100299646
Evafags really believe this? This is shit that sounds like /v/ normalfag mentality. No wonder the fan base is so shit.
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I'm supposed to watch rebellion after the series right?
I'm a bit confused after watching the first secs of the movie.
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>>100299847
>I'm supposed to watch rebellion after the series right?
> I'm a bit confused after watching the first secs of the movie.

Yes. The movie doesn't start making sense until a quarter of the way in.
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>>100292041
>Eva is based on real, existing philosophy real people subscribe to
topkek
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>>100299646
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>>100292887
Because Madoka only has 12 episodes.

Not like anime fans have large attention spans in the first place.
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So I just watched Rebellion and there are 2 questions left.

What the fuck was BB/that girl?
How did they end up in Homus soul gem, did the incubator do this?
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>>100292887
>only a handful

Is this another phrase that /a/ doesn't know how to use correctly?
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>>100306642
>What the fuck was BB/that girl?
>How did they end up in Homus soul gem, did the incubator do this?


I don't know how you watched rebellion to miss the answer to both of those.
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>>100277082
I think that's an opinion, but I agree with it.
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Gundam box office
>860 million for Zeta trilogy I (2005)
>600 million for Zeta II (2006)
>490 million for Zeta III (2006)
>870 million for Gundam 00 movie

KyoAni
>840 million for Haruhi movie
>1.1 billion for K-ON movie

Madoka Magica Rebellion
>2 billion

Mamoru Hosoda
>2.6 billion for The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
>1.7 billion for Summer wars
>4.0 billion for Wolf Children

Evangelion box office
>1.8 billion for Death and Rebirth
>2.4 billion for End of Evangelion
>2 billion for Rebuild 1.0
>4 billion for Rebuild 2.0
>5.1 billion for Rebuild 3.0
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>>100277082
yes

I liked Madoka but it was like an 8/10 at best. NGE is like a 9 and EoE is a 10. Rebuilds are 7
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>>100277082
You only say this because this time the whiny pussy protagonist was a girl you wanted to comfort you could get pretend laid
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I liked Madoka's overall themes a lot more than Eva's themes of emo/depression.

Madoka, while it does have themes of sadness and suicide, it's overall theme is more uplifting and inspirational. Believing in hope, not giving into despair, etc.. it left me with a better outlook on life compaired to Eva's ending.
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>>100283475
>suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event

And here I thought that that description was incompatible with foreshadowing.

Depending on what you consider to be a deus ex machina, Madoka can easily fit the definition. But even if it does that doesn't make it bad. Deus ex machina is a plot device, and is only good or bad depending on how well it is implemented.
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>>100310486
>And here I thought that that description was incompatible with foreshadowing.
It is. Madoka's ending is not a deus ex machina by any reasonable definition of the term.
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>>100292887
Okay let's be realistic here.

Considering how most anons look, a handful of users would probably be like a single fold of bellyfat. And bellyfat can't watch anime.
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>>100289281
> I liked Madoka as well, but compared to Eva, it didn't have that much of an impact on me.

Because you watched Eva as a teenager
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Wait is there seriously a possibility of a season 2? What the hell would it be about?
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>>100313239
What do you mean, what would it be about? Did you watch Rebellion?
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>>100293378
>about a wuss, a bitch and a mannequin.

my sides
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>>100277082
They're both horrible with some redeeming moments, I'd say Madoka is less insufferable because it was shorter.
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>>100313418
No, I don't want a camrip to ruin the presentation. But that helps me understand, somewhat.
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Madoka is the pinnacle of anime, anyone who disagrees is from Reddit.
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>>100277082
Nobody really gives a shit. Think of all the 3x3s you see, how many of them actually have Eva on them?
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It'll never be as popular as NGE because too many guys are scared to admit they like a magical girl show, or give it the time of day.
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>>100314003
>is from Reddit.
stop trying to be ironic
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>>100314146
I have no way to show I am not being ironic.
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daily reminder that mecha is utter shit and madoka is for fags
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>>100309689
Yeah, I really like the idea that the world is inherently neutral in nature and that morals, desires, emotions, and the like are human inventions.
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Can someone tell me what the ED with "Magia" is supposed to mean? Why is she running into darkness as her clothes shed off?
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>>100314923
Ok, what would you consider good?
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I found Madoka to be more emotionally engaging, but NGE to be more intellectually engaging. I can just watch Madoka to see everything I'm supposed to see. With NGE I had to dig up spoonfeeding copypasta and read the shit out of anything I could find before I really understood what was going on.

But I thought that was the point of NGE. The viewer is self inserted as Shinji. Not like a Harem / imouto self insert but a suffering, blindfolded, rejected self insert. We're Shinji, watching NGE. We're told nothing. We don't know what's going on. We start what we think is a simple mecha and get blindly dragged into a massive clusterfuck. But unlike Shinij, we can apply ourselves and figure things out. That's when we stop being Shinji and can finally take NGE at face value.

I'll always give props to Anno for this. I don't know if he intended for it to happen. Between the frustration and melancholy of digging for backstory I realized I felt exactly like Shinji did at one point. I found it mind blowing for a series to emotionally break the 4th wall, even if it was just a little and maybe just me.

>Madoka tells a story better but in a more conventional way.
>If NGE is 2deep4you you haven't dug deep enough and are still suffering in the dark. Just like Shinji.
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>>100317640
That's the kind of thing that differs from person to person. For example, a lot of JUSTICE guys identify with Sayaka, and I relate to Homura, who struggles toward an uncertain end in an unforgiving world.
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>>100318449
I agree, your enjoyment of either series depends nearly entirely of how invested (be it emotionally or intellectually) you want to become in the show.
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It's still inferior to utena and princess tutu.
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>>100318449
I wasn't a JUSTICE guy until I watched Madoka. I'm not sure what that means.
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>>100289803
I wasn't talking about power but character depth. Sayaka's arc was probably the most moving of the entire series, helped not in the least by the number of episodes it got.

>>100289831
Nice to see someone understands what I was talking about. But, you know, while Sayaka wasn't the main character, as you rightly say, she was certainly more developed than they were and her arc more involving. At least, until Rebellion.

>>100320629
I'm still watching Utena (shame on me), but I've finished Tutu. While I can agree that in terms of plot and character Tutu definitely wins out Madoka, Tutu is directed with a lot less impact and is in the end a less powerful show than Madoka. Intellectually, Tutu is better, but Madoka is still superior in terms of emotional impact.



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