Do you think the world she created is better than Madoka's?
Prove how it isn't the best world
Homura did everything wrong.
>Mami is alive, well, and with a close friend
>Kyouko is alive and in school
>Sayaka is alive and getting the full effect of NTR after Hitomi's kongquest
>Madoka is alive and can live on to get ass drunk with her mom
>QB is suffering
Welcome to the perfect world.
Not really, cause Homu ran away from it all.
Oriko was right.
Sayaka is alive, she did everything wrong.
Because it's built on shaky foundations.
Madoka and Sayaka will eventually remember and Homura wants to die.
Why do people dislike Sayaka?
It can't last. Something has to give. Akuma Homura is an aberration, something that should not exist. The Law will triumph in the end.
She's a bitch.
Homura: Forever separated from the one she loves and destined to eventually become enemies with her.
Madoka: Plagued with restlessness and feelings of unreality for life.
Sayaka: Separated from her best friend, inflicted with the horror of deteriorating memory.
The universe as a whole: unstable, filled with familiars, Homura herself admitting that destroying it "might be interesting" after the Wraiths are dealt with.
Sure is best world in here...
Madokami is an aberration too. Both must be wiped out.
Haruhi had it right by making Haruhi more normal as the time goes.
Madoka got her power by rightfully making a wish, and she removed herself from the universe so she only uses her power to accomplish her goal of wiping out witches.
Homura got her power by ???? and still exists in the universe as a "normal" person, so she has the capacity to misuse her power if she ever feels like it. She's a danger to everyone.
But Homura wished to be able to save Madoka. Madoka's wish directly interfered with Homura's.
Also since the Kyuube race had access to Madoka, she was in danger.
The incubators got to earn the energy the hard way, which is good for them.
Tough shit, you only get one wish. She should have accepted that becoming a goddess is what Madoka really wanted, so in a way she did save Madoka by giving her the karma necessary to make her super-wish.
>Also since the Kyuube race had access to Madoka, she was in danger.
No she wasn't, without Homura the same experiment wouldn't have worked again.
The key word is ABLE. I could ask for the power to be able to drive a car, that doesn't mean I'll get a license automatically.
>She's a danger to everyone
Come back when that happens (4th movie, maybe). So far, she has arranged the world to be kinder to everyone
There's nothing to indicate they get energy differently in Homura's universe than in Madoka's.
She literally said that destroying the universe seemed like a nice idea. She's completely insane and has more power than anyone else in the universe and she only cares about one person, that's not a good combination.
The whole magical system is an aberration wich cause girls to mess with reality itself.
I can see Homura try to finish the system, because no more magical girls no more reason for her to become Madokami.
>Do you think the world she created is better than Madoka's?
>Mami who already had problems on her own now is forced to take cared over a useless kid she didn't even know, she suffers from stress and suicide .
>Sayaka family is forced to take care of a smelly hobo, they don't have enough money to support another person and go bankrupt, Kyouko feels guilty and commits suicide.
>Sayaka is still NTR'd and her family is falling apart, she kills Hitomi and commits suicide with violinfag.
>Madoka can never find something that fills her life, she don't feel deserving of all the happiness she revice because she's a useless bitch who couldn't even help her friends, ends up committing suicide.
>Homura can never be with Madoka and couldn't even avoid her from committing suicide, goes crazy and destroys the universe.
>The whole magical system is an aberration wich cause girls to mess with reality itself.
And those distortions in reality always come back to bite them in the asses. That's just karma, it all works itself out.
And there are still magical girls.
Same applies to Madoka's wish then.
>No she wasn't, without Homura the same experiment wouldn't have worked again.
Until Kyoko or Mami died.
Are you really implying he won't act on it?
You really can take anything positive and make it negative.
Why do you so conveniently disregard that it was Sayaka who brought up that stupid idea. Homura was just playing along with her.
the series reached it's climax at episode 11
the finale was pushing it and with rebellion it finally jumped the shark
now we can only watch as shinbo and co continue to beat on the dead horse by shitting out a film with yuri scenes every 2 years to get them otaku shekels
>Until Kyoko or Mami died.
Uh, no? Kyouko and Mami don't remember Madoka.
It's imperfect and she knows that. Supposedly she hummed and danced in the post credit scene, but it got changed for the release version. It's still in in the manga version.
まだだめよ Still no good
>Homura was just playing along with her.
That's a pretty convenient way of pretending that she means exactly the opposite of what she says, I guess?
They already know Madoka at the end of the movie, there was no mind wipe or anything.
Dude, the incubators can simply try to trap Madoka when ANY magical girl dies, the LoC WOULD come pick them up.
>Uh, no? Kyouko and Mami don't remember Madoka.
They did after meeting her in Homura's fake city.
>that Sayaka outfit
Holy shit, do want.
>Kyouko in front of Kyousuke and Hitomi
>Sayaka goes off with her
sayaka isn't even getting NTR'd, Homura made sure to wipe her memory so that she wouldn't lust for Kyosouke's dick
she created a perfect world for all the megucas
No one knows what Homura would do, even SHAFT does not know at the moment
Except for herself
Even if they did remember her enough to invite her into the barrier, Madoka and Sayaka and Nagisa could just do the exact same thing they did in Rebellion and break out of the isolation field without having to expose Madoka's power. The Incubator's experiment was a failure.
If Madoka is capable of penetrating the isolation field completely, then what is the danger to her? She can just go about her business as usual, yes?
Except for the ones who dying and can never go to Yuri Valhalla.
>Even if they did remember her enough to invite her into the barrier, Madoka and Sayaka and Nagisa could just do the exact same thing they did in Rebellion and break out of the isolation field without having to expose Madoka's power. The Incubator's experiment was a failure.
The Incubators could try a slightly different tactic next time.
Basically, it would be an arms race between the Incubators and the Law of Cycles.
>Except for the ones who dying and can never go to Yuri Valhalla.
no proof of this either way. Madokami is still going about her business.
yuri valhalla is still there
she just "extracted" madoka from it
Madokami only erases witches, Madoka created Yuri Valhalla and takes the girls there.
Somehow I doubt they'd try it again after how catastrophically it failed the first time. Once Madoka knows that the plan they made in Rebellion works, it should be a breeze to break out Kyouko and Mami, especially if their barriers are more straightforward and don't involve memory-wiping. Or hell, the two of them could just be on their guard and not let the Incubators put them in an isolation field in the first place.
Well, she sure did use a big round about way in Rebellion.
It poses danger to her; do you not believe in those cute, little furballs to try a thousand times if needed?
Except this was never implied, and she only revives select people. Before the movie and all of this was retconned, all the magical girls simply died in peace.
Just the human memories of Madoka, Madokami and the memories of her as a magical girl most likely continue with her, but since she can do crap in the real world she is unable to stop Akuma.
Their plan was essentially to trick Madoka into using her power inside an isolation field. Once they've tipped their hand in Rebellion, everyone knows that they simply have to use other means to break a girl out of an isolation field.
Incubators have no control on how the barriers of witches work, anon.
"Retconned"? How can it be a retcon if they just clarified the existence of something that was unsure before?
When did I imply otherwise?
Because it wasn't unsure, it showed Madoka going around, collecting the soulgem energy and the girls dying, there was no revival or witch stands or anything, that was just a way to get the dead characters back into the cast.
But there's nothing that implies there is no afterlife, so it's unsure. Not to mention Madoka saying "let's go" to Sayaka in the theater scene, which implies they're both going somewhere.
Homura created a perfect yuritopia and her actions were 100% selfless and pure and she should be absolved of any responsibility for her actions.
It didn't show what happened to the girl's souls though.
Yeah, Madoka talking with magical girls who are supposed dead doesn't prove anything.
Yes but if it was some yuri valhalla with all the magical girls in all time living happily, they certainly would of showed it in the movie.
I thought it was pretty clear her just using her god powers to say goodbye to them.
>Yes but if it was some yuri valhalla with all the magical girls in all time living happily, they certainly would of showed it in the movie.
Do you actually understand what logic is? It wasn't proven either way in the series, so it's unsure. The fact that the souls of magical girls continue to exist after death certainly hints that such a place could exist, however.
>I thought it was pretty clear her just using her god powers to say goodbye to them.
That wasn't clear at all. In fact, Madoka implied the opposite when she said that she'd have everyone with her.
I think they just join the "Law of Cycles" itself, they become part of the mass or whatever.
I remember reading somewhere that Sayaka and Nagisa's soul had to be "split off" the law of cycles.
Sounds pretty boring, just being some tool of law. No wonder Sayaka and Nagisa enjoyed Homura's barrier so much.
It's all speculation, we don't actually know what it's like. But the fact that Sayaka and Nagisa "volunteered" for the mission implies they still have individuality.
Yeah, it's like being part of a hivemind or something.
>But the fact that Sayaka and Nagisa "volunteered" for the mission implies they still have individuality.
Not necessarily. The Law of Cycles chose them and they were part of the Law of Cycles, so from one point of view they "volunteered" and from another they were assigned.
>The Law of Cycles chose them and they were part of the Law of Cycles, so from one point of view they "volunteered" and from another they were assigned.
That's stupid. The way they talked about it, they had specific motivations for accepting the mission. There's nothing to actually imply they're some big collective with no individual personalities.
It means they still have their soul, not that they're individually pursuing happiness in some yuri heaven.
How do you figure? The fact that they volunteered means that there was an alternative - that is, to stay up there and not bother with the mission. If they had no individuality, they would have simply been assigned.
The point is that in a collective consciousness, volunteering and being assigned are the same thing.
That was in the witches artwork book.
>The Mermaid Witch. Once dreamt of love. The Law of the Cycle split off some of its souls and sent them to the earth. One of them took the form of Sweets. Another took on the form of a mermaid. And the Law of Cycles itself descended upon the surface, more reverently than the morning dew. Her form was like that of a magical girl who once was.
I don't understand why so many people don't believe in Yuri Valhalla, the series and the movie imply heavy that there is a afterlife and even Gen confirm it exist, they just don't show it in your fucking face like many other things in the series .
Homura: fulfilling her life propose and live alone happily
Madoka: got the chance to enjoy her life once again in REALITY not becomes a void anymore.
Sayaka: Still want Kyousuke's dick and suffer because there's no dick to insert inside her vagina since Kyouko don't have one.
The universe as a whole: Everthing was brought back to the peaceful time, Witch and Human co-existing and Homu familiar look after the world peace, Homura admitting that destroying all WRAITH "might be interesting" but she will give enemy to Sayaka so that's she can enjoy her fake justice like always and to solve entropy.
>Homura: fulfilling her life propose and live alone happily
Ha, no. Though she isn't exactly alone or unhappy, either.
Homura's problems are that she is unstable, has absolute power (that corrupts absolutely), and doesn't accept her true desire, i.e. to be with Madoka romantically.
did she really look happy to you? They put bags under her eyes specifically to show how her happiness was only skin-deep.
Sales records of Rebellion is literally amazing.
It's almost NGE class.
>Gen confirm it exist
Homura a shit.
Sayaka didn't want this.
HOLY SHIT. STAY ON.
are they fighting to see who gets madoka?
Homu. Defender of humanity. Hope she anal probed a bunch of them to death.
Sayaka doesn't know what she wants. She needed Homura to decide for her so she could actually get a happy end.
>implying the incubators aren't going to try to control Homura as they tried with Madoka
Please. They can't even control themselves anymore.
Great controling there m8. Now bend over for Akuma dick without lube.
That's not the end she wanted.
>implying they aren't enslaved
They even tried to run away at the end
Yeah, she wants something more like this.
sexual tension between Sayaka and Homu
Being QB now a suffering. Oh the irony.
>don't give a shit about anyone but Madoka
>create a better universe for everyone on accident
Well she has her...inclinations
/u/ can't you please die? I'm gonna re-write the universe to get you to go away.
Consider bullshit like 'trickle down capitalism' or communist 'utopia' with people 'more equal than others' the positive externalities Homu caused through her selfish desires weren't half bad. Can find worse systems and people in our rather short history.
God is a lesbian now. You can't win.
if she truly enslaved/fucked the incubators and crated a better world for everyone else, then she definitely must have fucked up somewhere.
Homura has been a benevolent tyrant so far. So far.
Homura caring about Madoka the most doesn't mean she is a dick, anon.
Keep making me despair and I'll show you.
So, I'm super late to the party and I just marathoned this anime today and haven't gotten around to the movies yet. Does Urobuchi ever give us a happy ending? Or does the ride never end?
At the very least she fucked up herself and doesn't think she's worthy of Madoka's love.
You may be a lesbian and even a god but you weren't a God, Madoka.
Asuka vs Rei 2.0
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
The dark never stops.
>So, I'm super late to the party and I just marathoned this anime today and haven't gotten around to the movies yet. Does Urobuchi ever give us a happy ending?
Depends on your definition of "happy".
>Or does the ride never end?
It's probably not over.
It's.... more complicated than that. Some people think the ending is happy in a nervously optimistic way, others think she ruined everything.
That makes no sense, anon.
Can't make everyone happy.
Well, shit. Why can't these girls just create a universe with no entropy or something. You could sacrifice all the people in a timeline for it.
>implying Madokami ever controlled an incubator
Because EVERYONE cares about what Sayaka wants.
You can't just go and break the rules of the universe for your own needs like that, anon.
Remember, her selfish desire is Madoka's happiness. Madoka is a fucking saint, and the only reason Homura was able to get so far is because Madoka ALWAYS came through for her.
To build a world where Madoka is happy is pretty much the best possible way to build it, I would think. The problems probably come with the inability to do it, or the sacrifices of some other necessity(order?) that might eventually have consequences.
None of that is really clear though. You could even say that the only ones who suffer are the incubators, and no one gives a fuck about them.
I'm the only one that matters.
oh the irony
Either way humanity hasn't exactly created a very high bar to beat with all the rulers and systems we've had. Forget all sunshine and rainbows for everyone, just being fucked in the ass slightly less in Homu's new world is already an improvement.
Evening, Kevin. Have you learned to play the violin yet? Sayaka has a fetish for that only.
>Implying you watched the series.
If you truly believe she only had a fetish for the violin then you're completely wrong.
>implying her fetish isn't being Kyouko's pet
>sayaka isn't even getting NTR'd, Homura made sure to wipe her memory so that she wouldn't lust for Kyosouke's dick
She didn't wipe that part, Sayaka just got over it.
Did I miss any, other than red hair that is?
Could you not put spoilers or hints that act as spoilers that aren't spoilered when you make a thread?
Isn't it exactly the same as Madoka's world minus Madokami having a heart? The law of cycles is still in effect, no witches, and the Incubators were taken care of.
but I am /a/
>cries like a bitch when she see the boy she loves with another girl
>get over it.
if you were a real madoka fan you would have seen the movie already
How can people be so terrible at interpreting scenes?
We don't know if there's witches or not, and there's at least 3 partial witches. Homu's familiars are running around throwing tomatoes. It could get pretty bad if there's both witches and wraiths.
I honestly don't think Homura completely remade the universe. Something expands out from her general area, engulfing the known universe in some kind of barrier. Now, we know she isn't a witch, but she's clearly not on the same level as Madoka. It took everything she had to pull Madoka back down when she started realizing what happened.
My theory is as thus; the universe is stuck in some kind of pseudo-witch barrier, fueled by Homuras undying and unending love for Madoka. Her soul was strong enough to keep Godoka trapped in her gem, why not do the same thing?
Just a thought.
Is the camrip worth watching, or is it just better to wait until the bd gets released?
The camrip was decent.
I guess the familiars could become witches if they're not affected by the law of cycles. But other lolis won't have to worry about becoming one.
Familiars shouldn't be allowed to exist, period. Clearly the Law of Cycles isn't working at 100% capacity.
Homu seems more powerful than Madokami to me. She looks like she can user her powers however she wants, rather than just to clean up dead megucas.
Her familiars don't seem very interested in normal wtichy things like spreading despair, just throwing tomatoes at Homura.
The Clara Dolls aren't the only familiars around though, there's some Pyotrs as well. And likely others.
I'm going to wait for the bd, the audio is really horrible on the camrip.
They're probably harmless since they aren't powered by despair anymore.
Not really. It's a little off center, but otherwise, the audio is excellent.
It's taking everything Homu has to keep her from going God Mode. One small slip, and bam, Godoka is back.
I wouldn't be so sure personally. Witches are inherently despair-based, once they become part of the law of cycles the despair is just under control. But Madoka's not leading them anymore.
Leave them without attention for long enough and will be dangerous, see Homura.
But Homura's familiars were harmless in her fake city until she finally went full witch.
It might be different for the other familiars, but the Clara dolls seem to be focusing all the despair on Homu.
I'm not talking about Clara dolls, I'm talking about Homura.
They're harmless until they perceive someone as a threat. They started attacking QB as soon as she got mad at him. Are they gonna go nuts and murder anyone who bumps into Madoka? Who knows.
To me it sounded like everything was underwater or in a cave and I couldn't get over that. The BDs are just around the corner. Any day now. ... Right?
>bunch of idiots who can only utter "got ist tott" and trow tomatoes
I don't know about her other familiars though
Well, sure, Homura is the biggest problem, since she's nuts and also God.
They're canonically strong enough to compete with magical girls individually. That's way stronger than any other familiar we've seen.
April 2nd so rips probably a week later. Better get comfy anon.
>Any day now...right?
By any day, you mean half a year, then probably.
Have you worshiped your goddess today?
Someone please explain what a familar is? I never got that.
They just need some love from Madoka.
They're the minions of witches, what's not to get?
April 2nd? Think the Jap release will have English subs?
>implying they wouldn't also trow tomatoes at Madoka
Official BDs have subs I think. The recap movie BDs did.
Only if you mean the real goddess.
A witch fragment of some kind.
Homora please, put your finger condoms away
Something wrong, Sayaka?
Come here prepared to fight a mad mahou shoujo and instead you found a GOD?!
>Madoka wished to destroy all Witches
>Must now destroy Homura
a devil you mean
Homura's not a witch though.
Can homura be stopped?
I really want to see in the second season at Madoka goes around and purifying each of the Clara Dolls, one by one.
Also, Wagamama best doll.
There is no getting off Mr. Homura's Wild Ride.
Yeah, yeah, next thing you'll say is that Madokami is not a magical girl.
I never asked for it
They explicitly said in the movie that Homura is neither a witch or a magical girl.
Even if they don't, I'll buy the BDs, download the subbed rips, and bam.
Off the top of my head I can name several series where a major plot point is how an illusionary or fake world similar to what Homura created is bad: Naruto, Steins;Gate, S.E. Lain, Code Geass, and TTGL. So yea, I think we can assume she's in the wrong.
that depends how badly does shaft want more money?
>not getting the reference
but homura didn't make an illlllllllllusionary world
Well, it's not actually a fake world; Homura is just all powerful in it. Sort of like Lain at the end of the show. Still not a good situation since there's no balance between her and Madoka.
They come with English subtitles.
>Subtitles (Japanese, English)
We all know who wears the pants in this relationship.
But it's probably not fake like her witch barrier was.
Ai is the cutest.
Ai is not here yet.
>We all know who wears the pants in this relationship.
Silly goose, NONE of them wear pants. The closest is Homu with her stockings or Kyoko with her shorts.
Homura is the man in their relationship but it is obvious that Madoka still wears the pants, anon.
Nearly $100 for the Limited Edition. Worth it.
But over $250 for the series box set? That sounds kind of like a cash grab if I ever seen one.
While it might not be fake in the purest sense, it is within her labyrinth, and all of the symbolism within the movie compares her new world to a dream. For example, we have the comparison of Homura to Tchaikovsky's Clara, who at the end of his Nutcracker ballet goes back to sleep to continue her dream. There is also the motif of the "Mada dame yo" melody, which connects Homura's new world to her dream world and implies that the first nightmare is hers.
She wasn't until Madoka opened her packaging.
>doesn't accept her true desire, i.e. to be with Madoka romantically
Yes, Homura is selfless and she know Madoka will be happier staying with her family and friends.
>she is unstable
She never shows the same symptom as Sayaka and she always stay through to her objective through the end even she suffer from it or everything is what she expexted to be.
She just quit being Madoka's underdog after hearing that Madoka doesn't really want to be void and want to stay with her family and friends.
It is, of course. But it's how the anime industry works.
Or maybe Homura turned her dream world into reality, or at least tried to but got stuck with some sacrifices.
What are you talking? AI is not here yet, AI is only here when Homura and Madoka are together.
The only thing that Homura sacrificed was her mental stability. Which, let's face it, she never really had in the first place.
She sacrificed the chance to be with Madoka forever.
No, she just chose a different way of being with Madoka forever.
It's how much anime series cost in Japan, nothing unusual about it.
Put bag under the eye = unhappy?
Its just make her look always composed, never let her guard down and harkworker who works hard to keep ideal world in peace not just some slack that just want to rule the world and easily point the finger to make people work for them and chill out.
I love Madoka and Homura's tale.
In her mind she didn't sacrifice anything when she made her decision, she thought she could have it all, is only after the fact that she realized that she couldn't be with Madoka.
That TDS adaptation isn't going to pay for itself.
>has absolute power (that corrupts absolutely)
That doesn't mean it can only be use for the bad things.
I think you just have a narrow mind who think that people who look ugly is always bad eventhough they help a lot of people.
>all this delusions
She's definitely on the crazy train, but that's why we love her.
She is doing the same as Madoka, creating an illusory barrier,but worse.
While Madoka's one was for magical girls, this one is for everything.
Thus she is a big hypocrite
Delusions are now reality, anon. Things that were impossible are now possible, thanks to Homura.
That's some impressive denial you've got going there.
Her packaging says 一人ぼっちに and お似合い in runes, saying that she is all alone, but is a good match with the Madoka doll beside her.
The packaging is a metaphor for the isolation field, by the way; the Clara dolls aren't restricted by it, which is how they pulled the others in.
He never changes
That doesn't make sense, anon.
She gave Madoka a mortal life, but Homura's eternal salvation, aka Luminous with Madoka, is called into question. At the very least, Homura believes she can't be saved.
>After the fact
>Half-luminous first appears when Homulilly transformation is completed
Step it up.
What's not to get? We see the Ai doll early on in Rebellion, within its packaging. Then we see Gothloli Homu, who is wearing the same clothes as Ai. It's pretty obvious that Ai is Homulilly.
Whether the packaging is supposed to be the isolation field or a metaphor for Homulilly being dormant for most of Rebellion, either way Ai definitely arrived.
>after hearing a Madoka completely ignorant of how much magical girls suffered in reality say she wants to stay with her family and friends
Oh yeah, that Madoka definitely knows better than the one that has the experience of every timeline and still decided to make the sacrifice.
>She gave Madoka a mortal life, but Homura's eternal salvation, aka Luminous with Madoka, is called into question. At the very least, Homura believes she can't be saved.
It's not salvation that's in question, it's having an actual relationship with Madoka. Homura really can't have one with her so long as the power imbalance between them is so huge. However, the only obstacle is Homura herself.
Right now with what info we have Homura's world is better than what Madoka created. Which by the way is yet another example of Homura's actions keeping Madoka unimportant and worthless to the world.
Since these fucks at Shaft shit all over ep. 12 with Rebellion, the least they can do is shit all over Homura's world and show that it isn't fucking better to put all of humanity in the hands of a girl who cares about one human and the rest can go fuck off and die.
If only Madoka could see past her thinking she's worthless and realize that she's the most important thing ever to the universe's goddess.
>We see the Ai doll early on in Rebellion
>the least they can do is shit all over Homura's world
But they did just that at the end, anon. Didn't her familiars committing suicide and throwing tomatoes at her, as well as the half-Luminous not clue you in?
Yeah, everyone else can go fuck off and die. Look at all those people she's killing.
That's just symbolism that Homura herself isn't really happy.
Though since she's the one in control of the world, it's bad that she's not happy.
Yeah, the lack of gravity can definitely end in numerous deaths.
m-muh wraith genocide
Throwing tomatoes and half-Luminous I see as just examples of Homura's own self inflicted suffering for her actions. The world is still fine and apparently it can function with only half a moon without the tides become fucked. There is so far only vague hint that the Law of Cycle can't function without Madoka; the example being Madoka nearly becoming one with Madokami again.
So no any sequel needs to make that shit more clear or else the only conclusion is that yes it's better to put the universe in the hands of a single-minded stalker than a girl who loves all forms of life.
Indeed, it is quite the ride so far.
>it's not salvation that's in question
Except it's constantly in question, whether by Homura herself, by the symbolism, or referenced in analogy to classical literature.
There is nothing to suggest that Homura doesn't befriend Madoka after Rebellion, in fact it's implied.
>in fact it's implied.
No? The ribbons and half-luminous suggests exactly the opposite.
I don't think the half moon thing was meant to be taken as a literal thing that is actually happening
Right after the HomuSaya scene, before Homura's monologue starts.
Ai's appearance can be seen as foreshadowing of how Homulilly has yet to wake up and self-actuate.
And what happens if Madoka doesn't exist?
Oh right, goodbye universe. Real dependable ruler of the universe there.
But the symbolism isn't literal. If you insist on focusing on salvation, then in the Madokaverse where Madokami = God, salvation = being with Madokami and damnation = not being with Madokami. Homura has rejected being with Madokami in favor of friendship with Madoka, but she hasn't realized yet that she won't be happy with merely that. It's not an irrevocable choice, though.
yeah probably not.
Why the fuck wouldn't it be?
Because it's the goddamn moon?
>MOOOOOM THIS WEIRD GIRL AT SCHOOL PUT THESE RIBBONS IN MY HAIR
>they look good on you Madoka!
How does that matter in the new world? It's already shown to have some fucked up shit.
The red string of fate represents their eternal bond, and Luminous represents their nirvana as a couple, yes.
But the dark foreshadowing has everything to do with Homura's thoughts on eternity and nothing to do with her relationship with the mortal Madoka, who is still wearing the red ribbons in her ending scene despite how creepy Homura acted. Obviously the connection is still there.
Right when Homura grabs Madoka, she says she won't let her go, so it would be a bit contradictory if she went and did the exact opposite, wouldn't it?
Luminous isn't a physical thing that actually occurred, why would half-luminous be?
I thought it was purely visual symbolism. I mean what part of Homura's tinkering actually involve physically cutting off half the moon?
If it did physically happen, it probably won't persist beyond that night.
It's not "The Moon", it's Homulilly's moon that she split herself. It's another symbol for how Akuma Homura's new world is the result of her witch labyrinth enveloping the universe.
Yes. Exactly. It isn't real.
What Madoka thinks is irrelevant, it's Homura the one who thinks they can't have a relationship anymore.
In the middle it looks like a silhouette of a person who hanged them self.
>Hey Mama, I met this girl named Homura-chan on my first day at school
>She doesn't seem approachable, says weird things, and looks lonely. I don't think she has any friends.
>But she smiles when I talk to her so maybe I can be her friend.
>Save Homura from becoming a witch
>Get rewarded by still never having your judgement trusted by Homura
>My very best friend
It is real, just like the salamander, the familiars, the music box, etc.
Homulilly gained the power of love and turned her labyrinth--her dream--into reality.
The moon is literally bisected. You can see stars where the other half would be and everything.
That's the Madoka that Homura fell in love with.
Do you post this in every Madoka thread you're in? Jesus christ.
But she doesn't think that. The entire reason she creates the world is to be with Madoka again and to give Madoka the happiness of mortal desires.
>Madoka, where did you get those red ribbons? I really like them!
>Ah! Th-they're from this girl at school.
>Oh? An admirer already?
>Eh... Th-that's not...
>Oh, you're blushing!
>Oh man I'm so horrible for doing this, Madoka and I will be enemies!
If there seriously isn't anything wrong with this world then any sequel will be stupid as fuck to even bother with.
You know, the best thing to come out of this series has been the fan art. Seriously some of the best fan art I've seen.
So any info on any sort of release date for the movies? Are the first two out in North America yet? Also, when is the BD for the third movie out and who is planning on translating it?
Yeah I can see yuri pandering that atrocious happening.
Hence why they have no plans to make a sequel.
Finally the idiots come to the conclusions that everyone else made back in November.
It's not pandering anymore, it's the main plot.
The shield is positioned incorrectly.
Her body is twisting unnaturally in order to be facing the viewer while also running towards Walpurigsnacht.
That size of the RPG is inaccurate.
Nothing is wrong with the world; the only thing that's wrong is Homura.
Although Homura herself essentially IS the world now.
That already happened in the game, minus the ribbons.
BDs are coming out on April 2, including English subs.
>Hence why they have no plans to make a sequel.
Madoka Magica Panderable
>Although Homura herself essentially IS the world now.
Would you agree that something bad has to happen to the world due to Homura's influence in order for any plot based on Sayaka trying to bond Madoka with Madokami to work?
It's the truth. There's no denying the possibility of a sequel, but you definitely won't be seeing one for a couple of years at least, so calm your autism.
This better not be the same autistic that said Homura and Sayaka will be friends.
Probably. Well, at a minimum, Sayaka needs to regain more memories than "Homura is the Devil!" to even try to do something besides rant like an /x/-phile.
Worst girl is going to meddle with things either way. Homura might have to kill her.
I'm honestly surprised at myself and how blindly I entered such a gay series. Stupid me for assuming girls in a social group aren't all lesbians.
Probability almost always takes a backseat to destiny. How new are you to literature?
What are other shows like Madoka that will give me the feels?
But the worst girl already meddled with things, that was the ending of the movie. Are you suggesting Homura kill herself? Because the movie also showed she's terrible at that too.
I don't know, I can't feel anything anymore.
How to feel bitter? I dunno, go watch an NTR show or something.
pls no bully the homu
But she likes it.
I'd do anything to please my lord homuhomu.
>Mami/Homura fight they're shooting each other point blank in the face
>later Homura pulls a gun to her head
>Mami just stands there and lets her do it thinking she's an idiot
>Ties Homura up as she's sobbing with blood and brain matter spilled on the floor
Mami and Kyoko like to bully too.
Mami was curious to see what would happen.
That's true, she was in control of the fight the whole time considering the ribbon clone.
It was due to Homura's overconfidence though. She placed too much faith in her victory when she could've shot at Mami, backed the fuck up, and THEN resumed time.
She didn't want to kill Mami though, if for no other reason than it would make Madoka cry.
Huh? I'm not saying she should have made a lethal shot, I'm saying Homura could have widened the gap between the two before resuming time, especially considering that even if she did shoot Mami, a shot to the left thigh isn't going to down a human, let alone a magical girl. She should have considered the possibility that Mami would still have a counterattack and played it safe.
She thought long and hard about putting a bullet in the soul gem instead before deciding against it.
Homura has always been bad at putting her full effort into anything that isn't Madoka.
Like, convincing Mami not to lose her head and convincing Sayaka not to lose herself to despair might be hard, but Homura doesn't exactly try her best at either of those things.
>She should have considered the possibility that Mami would still have a counterattack and played it safe.
Except she didn't because she sucks.
Homu really should have known that. There's probably no way she didn't. What's going on inside that cute little head of hers?
At least she thought about it instead of losing her head like Mami and killing poor Kyoko.
Nothing because she's a retard.
She should take lessons from Bill Murray on figuring people out.
>like 20 years old mentally
>about as smart as the girls she hangs out with
Consider that the real Homu is outside, and the form she's in is like a fragment of herself. She remembers things as they come to her.
Also the witch is fucking with everyone's minds. I mean, I don't understand how else Mami is able to burst into ribbons or clone herself in Homura's world, but never anywhere else.
If she's smart then why didn't she ever save Madokas
She saved her in the end. When she conquered the universe.
At this point in time Mami has more experience points than we've seen her before
I mean she had all sorts of crazy new stuff in the movie, like that giant cake tank thing
It is my fetish, for one thing. Sayaka is lucky to get such an opportunity.
I remember a time when Megucafags lived in harmony.
What happened, /a/?
Homu can have it too.
THEY CALLED MY WAIFU A SHIT
sayaka a shit
Haremfags started infiltrating the fanbase and applying their disgusting habits to it
I dont think anyone liked Sayaka past episode 3.
Funny, that's about when she started to develop as a dynamic character. Don't you have it backwards?
He's from /u/
You figure out the rest
>implying /a/ wants dynamic characters
Why else would Homura be the favorite of /a/? she started out and ended with a one track Madoka mindset. All that changed is what she was willing to do to express that single-minded devotion.
>she likes it
Only if you have pink hair and your name is Madoka, dude.
Where are their parachutes
Sayaka and Homura are my favourite meguca. What does that make me?
They don't need fucking parachutes. Kyouko can hop around buildings and stunt by simply maneuvering her spear.
Somebody typeset this apparently.
Same reason there are anti-Sayaka people.
Sayaka is looking nice and soft.
Yes, but for that, there is a reason. More than one, for that matter.
homura is a rapist what a surprise
And Homura can fucking fly
Take your boogeyman conspiracy theories back to KLK threads, please.
You've lost me.
-- With magic. The beauty of Kyouko's transport way is she's just hardcore parkour mode.
Post your favourite picture of you favourite girl.
This is pretty hot.
When the question of "What's Homura's motivation" can always be answered with ___ Madoka, you don't have a dynamic character.
Here are what matters to Homura throughout her timeline
Originally protecting the world that Madoka loves, retcon into just Madoka by Rebellion
>Witch and Devil Homura
that's the last page
What is this now, waifu thread?
That is a pretty good picture.
Next season will be about Sayaka NTR Hitomi and sucking Kyousuke's dick everyday
Thank you. I hardly ever use it.
>This aspect of the character is static, therefore they aren't dynamic in any way, shape, or form
Homura's mindset changes at various points of the narrative.
Oh, you're a butthurt 'retcon' fag. That explains your laughably immature opinions.
>projecting this hard
Where can one find the camrip?
Because it's built on great big lie and Homura only made it because she gave up
______________ur a faget_______________________
Thanks! That really helped!
Does a character's motivation, specifically, have to change for them to be considered dynamic? There are other aspects of characters that can change.
Rebellion retcons nothing. Homura's new world retains the Law of Cycles and she still expresses desire to destroy the wraiths. (Her comment to Sayaka about destroying the world is meant to antagonize her, if you didn't get that.)
Every Madoka thread is dense with high schoolers and idiots who lack the cognitive capacity to come make logical deductions like these on their own. Either lurk or fuck off to a more appropriate site, because your ignorant viewpoints are not of interest to anyone here.
>Homura's new world retains the Law of Cycles
>expresses desire to destroy the wraiths
Those are not logical in the least.
The very fact that wraiths exist implies that the Law of Cycles still functions.
Look like >>100274001
rudely put it Homura does change but that change itself creates a more static character that is built solely around this "Madoka is all that matters" mindset.
Hell timeline one at least Moemura acknowledged Mami died, though even she had the Madoka mindset because her wish was solely about Madoka; saving Mami may possibly happen as a side effect of saving Madoka but it's not even entered into the equation.
This aloofness to the idea that anyone else matters just gets worse as time goes on. Even in this thread we've talked about Homura not killing Mami in Rebellion not because she doesn't want to kill someone she knows, but because Madoka wouldn't like it.
>new world retains the Law of Cycles
We don't know that.
>Her comment to Sayaka about destroying the world is meant to antagonize her
We don't know that.
Those topics were left terribly open and to interpretation of the fans because they want a second season, the only idiot here is you for take a side.
Nice ad hominem, but do you know what 'projecting' means?
/a/ is not a place for retards like you to get spoonfed. That's why rec threads are banned. If you don't get those points when they are presented as self-evident in the movie, or when they're pointed out to you on /a/, leave. No one wants to babysit you.
We specifically do know that the Law of Cycles functions at least on some level. Homura said that she only took away a small piece of it: the records of Madoka as a human. Wraiths only exist when witches are removed from the equation, and we know that there are wraiths. Whether there are some unforeseen consequences of Homura's fucking around is yet to be seen, but the basic tenant of the Law of the Cycle - erasing witches - must still be working.
Stop posting, please.
Do you know what ad hominem means?
maybe there's no witches because there are no magical girls to turn into witches
Fuck you and your fucking spoilers OP, I've bought my tickets already and everything!
I've been looking forward to seeing rebellion for weeks and here you are just destroying that experience for me.
I hope you can truly realise not just what a shit OP you but a disgusting human too.
>Nice ad hominem
Sayaka is still a magical girl, she has the ring. Homura told QB that she needed the Incubators to deal with the curses that arise in the world, and the obvious way to do that is by creating magical girls.
Kyouko and Mami are still around. Mami in particular should be dead if she isn't a magical girl.
Do you even know what 'ad hominem' means?
Fucking filters, motherfucker, do you know how they work?
Why would they be? They were alive at the end of the series timelime.
The point is that there are clearly still magical girls around. Sayaka had her ring, and the others probably did too.
To the first point, we know because Homura explicitly says it. Clean your ears out. This isn't up for debate. We even saw Homura do it. She pulled out the human Madoka, leaving behind the concept that lacks sentience, the one that Mami described in Episode 12, "you will be unable to be perceived by anyone, etc. etc."
As for the second point, it's painfully obvious considering that the entire scene is about Homura antagonizing all of her old companions. The teacup and apple are symbols of Mami and Kyouko's efforts to befriend Homura, and she refuses them both.
What about Kyouko?
The others aren't fucking angels.
Ad hominem is attacking someone's character in place of making a case against their argument. Isn't it a little late for you fucks to be up?
So is Homura.
They are still magical girls. Mami has her ring.
Saying you're projecting isn't attacking your character.
I'm sorry man. I know that feel when something's been spoiled too. SHOULD HAVE USED A FILTER
Kyouko is gay, though.
STOP SPOILING YOU FUCKS
>Ad hominem is attacking someone's character in place of making a case against their argument.
Is that what >>100274073 looks like to you?
Funny, >>100274001 is closer to using an ad hom than that anon's post was.
She's the best girl.
Spoilers increase enjoyment. Grow up and enjoy the movie.
Going into the movie knowing the main TWEEST has got to be lame though.
That is a lie. The surprise is better than thinking about motivations and all that shit at the theater, that kind of discussion is for this shithole after you've seen the movie.
To project is to take your own negative aspects and ascribe them to your perception of others in your day-to-day life.
To say someone is projecting is to bring their character into the argument when it has zero relevance. It could be used as a central idea to several supporting points, but never on its own, unsubstantiated by evidence of said projecting.
You're retarded. Reach harder.
That's what he was implying.
How would you know from personal experience? You only get one option during your theatrical viewing, to be spoiled or not to be spoiled, so you don't have any way to compare the variable, which is your enjoyment, while keeping everything else constant.
But worry not, quantitative studies have been done, and on average, spoilers increase enjoyment of literature.
This doesn't prove that spoilers will help said anon's enjoyment of Rebellion. No, they will need to get the stick out of their ass before they even sit down in a theatre.
To simply the case, Homura went from A to B to C in the series, and then from C to a slightly different B in Rebellion.
This is not an example of static characterization. To call Homura static is to ignore everything she went through and disrespect everything she felt. You're worthless as a fan of the series. Why are you even here?
Don't bother, the retards all left after they got called out for using insults rather than making relevant claims and supporting them with evidence from the series.
Dude, shut the fuck up. It's been over a month since it came out. We're well within our right to spoil the movie. It's your own goddamn fault you didn't see it in theaters, now sit the fuck down you whiny faggot.
Do I need to watch the 1st and 2nd movie before Rebellion? or are they just a recap type thing
It's still showing in theaters. That said, anyone who doesn't want spoilers should be filtering Madoka-related terms and hiding any meguca threads that get past the filter without ever reading the post.
So yeah, fuck them, but not for the flawed reasons you listed.
Yes, go back to /u/ faggot.
Watch the opening animation at least.
bebe why are you such an asshole
Also, what the hell, 10k yen for 1 movie? Really?
Are you that ad hominem dude?
Not every insult is an ad hominem.
If Mami is the cheese, then did Charlotte cut the cheese in episode 3?
First of all fuck you with your little pokes and prods trying to sterilizes this little shit hole of thoughts that aren't 100% right saying they don't belong here.
With that said ready to be astounded?! Yeah it was wrong to say she's a static character, and I apologies to I guess the fucking writers for thinking that for a moment. That's why discussion is helpful, to remove wrong views and establish some uniformity of events, or in other cases just accept that there is some disagreement in opinion.
I don't know what your deal has been, but I didn't cry when a character died or Homura had to shoot Madoka. Maybe you did and that's why your so defensive about the series I don't know feel free to answer. I did cry during the Madokami purifying all the magical girls scene, so I admit I'm bitter now and thus judge Homura's single minded motivation more harshly than it deserves.
Going from C back to B personality didn't feel like an improvement for me I admit. In fact its a bit worse since it seems to be that C (bowmura who accepted fighting to protect the world) may never have existed or just existed because there was no other available option.
Did Madoka only bring along what's-her-face because she killed Mami in episode 3?
>or just existed because there was no other available option.
I mean, she really didn't have another choice. It was either protect the world as a surrogate for protecting Madoka, or just give up everything and despair.
It's been long enough after it first came out in theaters, and that's not even counting the Japan release. My point is really because some dumbass burst into the thread screaming in all caps like some blabbering retard. If he's not smart enough to filter or ignore posts, the least he could do is internalize his autism. Nobody wants to see him flapping his lips like a loose penor.
Every day until you accept it.
Nah, she's tagging along specifically for cheese.
They had an unmei connection
No, the useless bitch just want more cheese.
I told you about unmei
I told you man
Sayaka needed a backup in case she died again.
Having Bebe in witch form provided a huge clue to Homura (and the audience) that something wasn't right.
Out of all the witches known to Homura (and the audience), Charlotte has a form that is the most plausible for a magical girl companion. Not a big fucking surprise considering the competition was a vegetable stomach with wings, a transforming motorcycle abomination, and an Arc de Triomphe that summons a giant fist from its opening.
I think it'd be kinda cool to have a flying TV following them around.
>First of all fuck you with your little pokes and prods
They work as intended. If anything ever hits below the belt, take a free apology, but otherwise the insults should slide off you. It's /a/.
>Maybe you did and that's why your so defensive about the series I don't know feel free to answer. I did cry during the Madokami purifying all the magical girls scene, so I admit I'm bitter now and thus judge Homura's single minded motivation more harshly than it deserves.
To the first part, no, but your point of view comes from the honest, heartfelt emotions you experienced when you watched Madoka. Sorry for not considering that.
Mami is the cheese, anon. Your point is moot.
Those are excuses and you know it, anon, Nagisa is just a useless bitch that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Who else is going to ignite the conflict that causes Homura to revert back to her old role of the Lone Wolf character.
Who else is going to ignite the conflict that causes Homura to revert back to her old role of the Lone Wolf character? Who else will fill the gap in Mami's heart, thus clearing her head of doubts and making her a veritable force of nature as a magi? Also, buddy system. Lastly and most important, Urobuchi feels that after the series ended, the fans took over, and Nagisa is like his shout out to everything they've done. Like, "Yeah, Mami and Charlotte? That's pretty cool guys, you're right."
I'm glad we could end this discussion on a positive note, you're right about where my point of view comes from and admittedly even now I'm still going through the transition pains of accepting what has changed with the information given through Rebellion.
Next time I'll try and be more level-headed with my statements and thoughts because thinking it over it was foolish to say what I originally said. I actually feel better to have been proven wrong in this case.
>Urobuchi feels that after the series ended, the fans took over, and Nagisa is like his shout out to everything they've done. Like, "Yeah, Mami and Charlotte? That's pretty cool guys, you're right."
Do you reaaaaally fucking think that a good thing, faggot?
-Sayaka doesn't need a partner for the mission
-You're an idiot
I could see that working out if she communicated with her wings and the screen, and maybe if the shape of the TV squashed and bounced, I guess.
Mari < Nagisa < Tommy Oliver
Gen seems to think so. It's why he wrote Nagisa into the story.
That said, pic related pisses me off so hard. What happened to deconstructing the genre? This just looks like a knock-off of Fate and Nanoha's ambiguous relationship that tries to appeal to everyone without ever prodding anyone the wrong way. They even have a fucking child now.
It's just official art. Do you rage over all those "Lelouch and Suzaku are gay" official arts, too?
Sayaka doesn't want to provoke Homura, she wants her to come to terms with her subconscious desires as a witch and the grief that arises from them. Kyouko is totally attached to Sayaka, sorry. I don't see how you think that last bullet is a rebuttal of my point. Urobuchi has spoken multiple times on the issue. He's said things about how the series has grown bigger than him, how it doesn't belong to him anymore, and he's expressed amazement at how Mami and Charlotte are paired up so often in fanon, how their mutual tragedy was woven into a bond that tied the two together.
But anon, Suzaku embodies the term Gay Bulge.
But they are gay.
Well so are Homura and Madoka, but that's no reason to rage over the art.
Oh yeah, and just because Sayaka ended up safely completing her mission doesn't mean her success was assured. She was a split second away from being at Homura's mercy when the latter stopped time, and faced danger again when she was overwhelmed by familiars.
This. Better safe than, "oops, I'm incapacitated and now no one can prevent Madoka from awakening within the isolation field and getting captured by Kyubey, thus ending everything she worked for in the first place."
On second thought, yeah, Nagisa is worthless. Long live Kyubey.
Oh yeah, my favorite scene is when Nagisa saves Sayaka from the familiars of- oh wait.
it's impossibly for australians to see it in a cinema before feb first without taking an international flight.
also it is never within your right to spoil anything, i don't care what tv trope fags say the content of the film is still the same years later
The fate of the universe is a little too important for overconfidence, putting their eggs in one basket would simply be irresponsible.
Also, you never responded to >>100277925
Is it because you conceded to those points?
>Kyouko is totally attached to Sayaka, sorry
Oh, so you're just a yurifag, I guess it's pointless trying to make you see reasons when you are only interested in your own delusions.
I agree that yurifags can be very clingy to some ideas, but we do know for a fact Kyouko IS attracted to her. This doesn't necessairly mean she wants to fuck Sayaka.
No, that's a logical deduction to make based on the events of the series and Rebellion, whether you think any of the girls are gay or not.
Kyouko gave up her own life so that Sayaka wouldn't be alone and so that Kyouko could wash away the pain that made her give up her original set of values in favor of selfishness.
Kyouko in Rebellion is with Sayaka for the vast majority of the time, they live together, and they both regret being apart in the real world, which is why they're inseparable in the dream world. Kyouko still has her friendship with Mami in the mortal world, but seeing Sayaka is a wave of excitement for her because Sayaka died right when they finally became friends, and neither of them was content with that.
No, and you can take your own bias and shove it right up your ass. Have some self-awareness and cleanse yourself of bigotry.
>Sayaka is a useless bitch
>Nagisa is a useless bitch, Sayaka handled everything perfectly without her help
Sayaka is still a bitch. She's just not useless. Unfortunately that does mean something given the amount of importance each character gets. Barely even Madoka is that important.
>Expecting anti-/u/ to have played The Shipping Pentagram
>tries to convince Homura to be sympathetic to the witch's plight
>gets a boot to the stomach and runs away
Why did she try to fight Homura?
She didn't, she just tried to stop her from stopping time, but Homura didn't fall for the same trick twice and kicked her away.
The point of that conversation was trying to convince Homura not to be so hard on HERSELF, duh.
But they were talking just fine. Homura wouldn't have done anything if Sayaka didn't put on that creepy grin and show off her witch form.
So, what happens to Godoka when she despairs and turns into god witch?
She knew Homura was the witch so she was trying to convince her it wasn't such a bad and unforgivable thing, I guess. Which is reasonable, considering how Homura reacted to that knowledge.
I do think she should have gone about it some other way and actually disclosing information rather than giving out vague hints while knowing Homura would probably try and take everything upon herself as usual.
We already saw that in episode 12, did you forget?
Personally I think that convincing Homura not to hate herself is a nigh-impossible task by that point, there's not a whole lot she really could have done.
Which is exactly why instead of trying that, Sayaka should have disclosed information and involved herself in the matter earlier as she was supposed to.
nice pic, by the way
What exactly could she have disclosed that would have helped?
Maybe what exactly she was there to do. The fact she was there on Madoka's will would be a good starting point, given the importance Homura places on Madoka.
Basically anything that would make her appear as someone to be trusted despite their knowledge, rather than to be doubted because of their knowledge.
Granted that considering Homura's image of Sayaka, built over the time loops in the series, that wasn't an easy job.
>we are here to make a safe path for Madoka to pick you up, are you ok with that?
Or just name anything related to Madoka security, really.
I thought the reason she didn't do that was that the Incubators were watching Homura and they didn't want to let their plan slip.
She could have said that to start.
What's disgusting now?
What? To whom?
They had no problem saying that to Mami, Madoka and Kyouko right in front of one. There's nothing they can really do there besides shaking up Homura with words (would definitely not work better after Sayaka clarifies the situation) since Madoka doesn't have memories as the Law of Cycles.
They only said that stuff once they were ready to put their plan into motion and reveal themselves as part of the Law of Cycles.
And during all the time the battle against Homulily's familiars army, you're telling me Kyubey didn't have the time to act? If they could have done something to stop it, they would have. Now tell me what they couldn't do now that they could have done earlier.
I don't think Sayaka is aware of how much Homura hates herself.
Probably not even Godoka was aware.
We don't know shit about what the Incubators can or will do, that's the thing. Why did Sayaka and Nagisa want to keep their plan a secret in the first place? We can only really speculate. Maybe they didn't want the Incubators studying them, since they're also part of the Law of Cycles. If they had known about Sayaka and Nagisa, maybe they could have taken steps to get them kicked out of the barrier, or isolate them, but those kind of things can't be done without advance warning. Who knows. They're kind of a mystery.
But they explain to Homura they weren't even the ones who pushed them into the barrier, I doubt they can kick them out. Basically all they did was stop her from turning into a witch by placing a filter that allowed things in but not out.
If they start to allow things out, not only doesn't it mean they can force things out (it's Homura's barrier first and foremost), it means the experiment is thrown to trash since the main role of the field as a container is dropped.
I concede to most of your point about the reason they wanted to keep it a secret being heavily subject to speculation, but did they ever even say they wanted to keep it a secret? (clarify me on this, please, my memory is failing me on this point)
My interpretation for Sayaka's course of action really has been the simple fact that she got too attached to that world, which she mentions herself in the movie. And I don't really blame her for that, though I definitely don't think it was how she should have gone about things.
You've got it backwards, things are allowed out, but not in. People can only get in by invitation. I think the reason they can't escape in general is because of Homura's barrier, not the isolation field.
>did they ever even say they wanted to keep it a secret?
That's what they implied when they revealed themselves and Sayaka said "Having your eyes diverted like this, I thought we'd be able to move around more freely, Incubator! Completely focusing only on Madoka had you thoroughly caught up!"
>she got too attached to that world, which she mentions herself in the movie
I don't remember her saying that? She said that she sympathized with witches, because in a way she was a witch. She was able to overcome and accept a lot of the flaws she had in life, and she wanted to help Homura do the same by telling her not to be so hard on herself; that a perfect world where everyone is happy isn't an evil thing to wish for.
Sayaka wanted to dick around with her living friends again.
Nagisa wanted to dick around eating cheese.
The Law of the Cycle seems like a pretty lax work environment.
I think they had to wait for Homura to realize she was a witch before they could do anything, so I guess might as well enjoy themselves while they waited. Either that, or they wanted to let Homura experience a happy life for as long as she could.
>You've got it backwards, things are allowed out, but not in.
pic related so ok, my bad.
>That's what they implied when they revealed themselves
Ok, so they wanted to keep the fact they were a part of the Law of the Cycles a secret. Fair enough. But wouldn't revealing that she remembered witches, revealing she could change into a witch form and basically suggesting she knows a lot more than she lets call attention to herself? Unless the Incubators only have some kind of hearing alarm to the word "Madoka", she should have been able to do better.
>I don't remember her saying that?
"Hey, is this really such a bad thing? Without having to compete with anyone, just joining forces and living on together with everyone."
Honestly, her entire conversation there was supposed to persuade Homura not to hate herself so much but it almost came off as her wanting to convince Homura to just give up realizing anything about the barrier.
And I guess the other example I had was something from SufferingSubs that was changed into something a lot less suggestive in HomuSubs, which are said to be the best quality ones.
>"There was some unnecessary interference. And... We kind of got turned around a bit too."
>"Well, because there was some unnecessary interference, right? It might have become a bit of a detour."
It's interesting to note how once a thread gets to real discussion there are like 3 posters left.
If there are many people posting at once, it's too noisy; images speak louder than walls of text, so waifu wars and /c/ dumping are about all people can keep up with. The people with serious questions or opinions get drowned out, and nothing in-depth can happen easily. The best threads tend to act like this one; Start out with more lighthearted imagedumping, and drag on into this discussion.
Unfortunately, it's this very tendency that means I can't leave shitty threads since they might turn good later.
Well, there wasn't a lot of imageduming in this one, actually. I had it mixed up in my head with one that started earlier.
Except Madoka and Sayaka know something's wrong and Homura lives in paranoia of the day Madoka wakes up and remembers everything.
Works out pretty well for Mami and Kyouko though.
>not posting the picture