Listen, you lowlifes that will never amount to anything.
This show is amazing. What did you think of it?
It was pretty cool.
It was amazing.
It was shit.
She went from full-on creepy yandere to sweet deredere. Ringo is the best.
Yuri Bear PV when?
I think that I need to rewatch it, feels like there ought to be a lot of things that went over my head.
Penguinbear update fucking when.
There's definitely a lot of small stuff that can be overlooked. Like Momoko getting sealed in two penguin hats (the symbol of the Sanetoshi's Penguin Force) and Sanetoshi being sealed in two rabbits (Momoko had just saved a rabbit before that)
One of the very best that year. Made me buy my first anime figure, a POTC figma.
I shan't ever forget that nasally voice SEIZON SENRYAKU
>Its alright anon, just go ahead and bend over because of Fate-The Anime
No thanks, I don't know what bombing trains has to do with overturning fate but up until that I was with the pink guy.
It's pretty damn good, despite being something of a disappointment to me when I first watched it.
And then it's followed by my favorite transformation sequence. They really outdid themselves with that one.
One thing I never understood.
Who killed Shouma's parents?
Still one of the best uses of CG in anime.
One of my favorites. Gotta rewatch it because watching it with /a/ made the whole experience better. Gotta see how it stands up without the threads, reactions and speculah
If I understood correctly, the first time the Pengiun Force attacks took place it was in response to the governments compliance in a shitty world that lets children die in a grinding machine. Momoko attempted to stop it, but was stopped halfway through her fate altering spell, and both her and Sanetoshi were sealed away. Sanetoshi wanted to continue his attack because he wanted to get fate back on track and finish where he left off.
>back on track
>in response to the governments compliance in a shitty world that lets children die in a grinding machine
I'm pretty sure the child broiler was a metaphor for absentminded and unwanted children, rather than a literal grinding machine.
How did abandoned even autocorrect to absentminded, fuck.
Has some of my favorite soundtracks and OPs and EDs.
Well, at least I learnt to say Destiny in jap.
It was great when I realized she's talking to her sister there. Also, during this scene when she tells him to get Tabuki to bang her by any means.
As far as I could tell, it was an actual place where kids would die. When Shouma asked his dad what it was, he said it was a place where "kids became invisible." Upon further questioning, he admitted that when they go there they die.
It was never explained if was really a place or just a metaphor.
The idea was that destiny is set in stone, but can be derailed with a magic spell.
I still interpreted it as a metaphor for Japanese society and how it treats unwanted kids.
>Shouma: Hey, dad. What's the Child Broiler?
>Kenzan: The destination of children abandoned by society. We can't do anything about it. We can't save them. It's a frozen world.
>Shouma: What will happen to children who went there?
>Kenzan: They become invisible.
>Shouma: What do you mean?
>Kenzan: They will never amount to anything.
>Shouma: Are you saying they'll die? No way...!
>Kenzan: Many children are turning invisible even as we speak. The world is corrupt for allowing it to happen. So, we must...
So yeah, it's definitely a metaphor about Japan's treatment of children, but I think it's also a physical place in the Penguindrum universe. After all, Shouma actually went there and saved Himari.
>What is magical realism
Maybe it means the children who go there end up as the druggies and low-life criminals of the world. or the NEETS who do nothing but watch anime all day
>After all, Shouma actually went there and saved Himari.
That was just Shouma sharing his fate with Himari, which is what led to the events of the series. When Momoka did the same for Tabuki, she did the fate transfer instead, which is why she took an injury but Tabuki escaped relatively unscathed.
>Fate transfer: 'get out of destiny free card' that comes at the expense of the caster
>Sharing fate: both individuals bind their destiny together, with the consequences being shared between the two. We never saw it due to the ending of the series, but it was heavily implied at one point that Kanba's life would be cut incredibly short due to 'sharing fate' twice.
That's at least how I interpreted it.
With penguindrum the problem is that clearly some of the things mentioned are metaphorical (Mary and her three lambs), while some of the other stuff is more ambiguous (child broiler, Kanba receiving instructions from his dead parents)
That's a pretty interesting way to look at it. Looking back at it, he did share the fruit of fate (The Penguindrum?) with Himari back when he saved her. So I suppose that would be him sharing his fate with her, just like Kanba shared his fate with him. And at the end, they both gave the rest of their fate to Himari to save her, which led them to disappear from the world.
However, that's just how he saved her. Himari was obviously SOMEWHERE, when he saved her. The only place we've had referenced there is the Child Broiler. It's kinda interesting, because one of the distinctive parts of the Child Broiler is the giant fans, and there is a building with giant fans behind the Takakura house. Maybe they live near it.
Probably that was Himari's subconcious trying to cockblock Ringo.
Shoud've gotten the GSC scale, bargain binning hard now.
I think I didn't understand most of it. I usually love shows that forces you to think, however in this particular case I may have missed it's logic.
Still enjoyed it though, exept for Himari's regular voice.
You've probably seen this already, but might as well post it again. Once per thread.
I enjoyed it, The threads were good too. Ikuhara did a very good job on it.
Yuri Bear never.
I hadn't, actually, thanks. I just watched the show recently and I'm fucking kicking myself for not watching it with /a/ while it was airing. I remember not picking it up because I didn't feel like watching another series. Huge mistake.
Too much filler
The filler was better than the actual plot
I don't even know how someone could complain about any filler here. It felt like actual plot, and at the very least always gave backstory.
The show would be better if Yuri and Tabuki remains as normalfags instead of 70s lesbian character and jigsaw wannabe. I don't care about muh simbolism, its' like poetry or other crap.
Why so beta, Himari?
That's why you weren't chosen
Oh please the only thing that comes across as filler is some of Ringo's episodes. Yuri's episodes were decent and Tabuki's episodes were great aside from the pulley thing.
I wasn't around to pick it up when it was airing, I think. It probably got lost on me since I was just getting back into anime around then.
It does seem like a fun series to watch blind with others, though. That's Ikuhara for you.
I'm still trying to figure out if there was some significance to those dolls that Ringo's parents have. That flashback makes me think there's something there.
Too much wasted time
They helped explain how some of that world works.How is that wasted time?
>how some of that world works
Except it was useless because muh magical realism so anything can happen when the plot demands it
this. along with the stick figures representing people who've become mindless drones, just pieces of modern society. as in the machine stripped them of their individuality.
I disagree, while there is still a lot open to interpretation, there is at least some semblance of understandability to the show. It doesn't make much of a difference if something is a physical place or a metaphorical place, when all that matters is the consequence of the action in that place. That's why it still works with magic realism.
Stalker Ringo is best Ringo.
What was up with Pingroup, i.e. the normal penguin-head? They didn't seem to be on the same side as Kiga.
Pingroup is supposed to represent society I think?
Yeah, that would explain why the Pingroup faces were on the boxes. But it was so vague.
>What did you think of it?
It was FABULOUS MAX
Penguindrum is genuinely one of the best shows ever made.
If you have not watched it, you are scum.
You can tell Penguindrum was good because when it ended there were several threads quickly reaching bump limit with tons of people confused, actual discussion and various interpretations. Also people angry or trolling calling it pretentious DEEP shit. Good times. In fact, I don't remember any show I've liked as much since.
It also made me read Kaeru-kun Saves Tokyo and watch Galactic Railroad, so all the more reason to love it.
i watched the first half with /a/
the second half i was in boot camp
I am finishing it as we speak
The show made sense to me, but this graph never did.
It's read from left-to-right, from top-to-bottom. The circled numbers are episode numbers.
Kanba is chosen when he and Shouma are trapped in cages. He receives the Penguindrum (An apple that represents a living fate. Without it, you become invisible and die.). He shares half the apple with Shouma. Shouma meets Himari and shares half of his apple with her to save her.
The Takakuras (Shouma's parents) attack the railway. Himari is chosen to receive divine punishment for this action. The punishment uses up her quarter of the apple. Later on she gets the penguin hat. Her time runs out shortly after. Momoka initiates the survival strategy, wherein Kanba gives Himari another quarter of his apple, leaving him with a quarter remaining. Still cursed by divine punishment, the quarter that he gave her is used up eventually.
All of the half of an apple that Himari was given is now used up. Sanetoshi begins giving her medicine to prolong her life without it. Eventually she builds a tolerance to that medicine and it no longer works. Shouma returns the apple that Kanba gave to him. Himari is given that half of the apple, leaving Shouma and Kanba with no fate. Ringo initiates the fate transfer spell. They are brought to a timeline where Himari isn't cursed. Kanba and Shouma are given fragments of the apple in this timeline, but they never met Himari. They are the two boys you see walking past the house, talking about the apple of fate in episode 1.
If anyone here hasn't read SuperFrog Saves Tokyo, here it is http://www.geocities.jp/yoshio_osakabe/Haruki/Books/Super-Frog.html. this story, Night on the galactic Railroad, and the 1995 Sarin Gas Attacks are the biggest inspirations for the story and will clear up alot of the confusion when it comes to references and imagery
>Shouma meets Himari and shares half of his apple with her to save her.
That's the problem right there. I never saw it as one particular apple which they divide several times.
Rather, I think sharing an apple is the symbolism used for this act, which can be done multiple times as long as you're alive (thus still having a fate), which is sharing your fate with someone else. This pretty much turns you into family, just like the siblings were despite none of them being blood related. It also makes your life not just your own anymore, as you must share both the blesses and the curses of your family.
I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure I buy it. The reason why it seems like there is one apple being divided is heavily rooted in the last episode, when Shouma gives his part of the apple back. If you could divide fate infinitely, he wouldn't have had to do that.
Neat. I didn't even know it was a real story. It looks like there was an anime movie made of the Night on the Galactic Railroad novel as well.
Shouma was a happy kid until he discovered his parents were terrorist scum, not including him and Kanba becomes friends when the latter was adopted. You can fanwank Shouma was so ronery or something but the show never supported it.
>You can fanwank Shouma was so ronery or something but the show never supported it.
Both him and Kanba were trapped in cages. Even if that's not literal, it's at least metaphorically indicative of something seriously fucked up happening in their lives.
You mean this, right? I don't see it as him sharing something this time, but rather giving it up, breaking their link so he will be punished alone.
The box metaphor is very straightforward.
Except it was never showed, implied or anything before that scene. In fact, it seems like a desperate attemp to redeem Kanba and allow him to save Himari
>Ignoring everything that happened before in order to give a moral
Why Anno and Ikuhara aren't working together?
>You mean this, right?
It's slightly before that, but yeah. At 12:57 he says "I'll return what you shared with me on that day." And he returns half an apple. Kanba had an entire apple in the beginning he split it and gave it to Shouma. I think that alone should prove that you can't split it infinitely.
Are you seriously trying to imply that a major revelation doesn't matter just because "It wasn't implied before that"? The kid was living with a group of terrorists and had to save a girl from dying. His life was definitely implied to be fucked up. He was only happy once Kanba and Himari joined them as a family.
It's also not contradicted anywhere. In fact, it fits his personality and his actions. It doesn't mean he's super lonely and moping and thinking of suicide, it just means he's lonely like most of us are. It also doesn't mean he didn't have anyone, or he'd be in the child broiler already, though he would probably wind up there if his parents died before they adopted Kanba or Himari. He's just your regular lowlife who will never amount to anything.
what the fuck was the penguindrum?
Doesn't it say on one of the flashbacks things in episode 20 that Shouma was lonely?
Murakami-style storytelling is a big influence on the show. Given the timing and themes of Penguindrum, I have a feeling Ikuhara decided to make it after reading 1Q84.
Fate. It's part of, or the whole, of an apple of fate. People that are chosen have them, like Kanba. He shared it with Shouma.
This. Been waiting for that shit
>And he returns half an apple.
He gives Himari an entire "apple". She breaks in half on her hand, one half vanishes and she extends the other half to Kanba, but he never takes it. The next time we see them, Kanba is already carrying an unconscious Himari and fading/breaking into small shards.
Fuck, I need to watch the entire thing again. But so far, I stick by what I said. It looks to me that Shouma is giving back the fate they had intertwined so he can be punished alone for his blood related parents' sins.
Shouma didn't know his parents were terrorist scum. It seems he took it so bad because he idolized his parents, he couldn't conceived they actually killed innocent people. Where do you see a fucked up kid? What every flashback shows is a sweet naive kid. He even rescued Himari basically with magic, not some kind of grand self-sacrifice or something.
If Ikuhara wanted to say Kanba is a pretty cool guy so it's OK that he killed innocent people, at least he could argue that Kanba singlehandely maintained Shouma and Himari so he became the father figure de facto. HUUURRRR KANBA GAVE AN APPLE TO SHOUMA!!! CAGES!!!! is just bullshit.
Wasn't implied Kanba's dad never loved him? He was an orphan that was taken by the Takakuras by compassion. In any case, Kanba was the unchosen
>She breaks in half on her hand
She doesn't break it, it just comes into view. When he pulls it out of his chest it's a glowing orb, not an entire apple. When it stops glowing, you see it's half an apple.
>and she extends the other half to Kanba, but he never takes it.
That's because he wanted her to have fate. Both Kanba and Shouma have Himari their remaining pieces of fate. That's why they disappeared and she didn't.
>Shouma didn't know his parents were terrorist scum.
You don't have to know something to have it impact your life. Before he met Himari and Kanba he was lonely as fuck. Didn't you notice how happy he became when he met Himari in episode 20? And then he had his cat thrown in a garbage truck.
>He even rescued Himari basically with magic, not some kind of grand self-sacrifice or something.
He gave her part of his fate, like Kanba did for him. He didn't want to lose the person that finally made him happy.
>His life was definitely implied to be fucked up.
That anon is saying Shouma's life was fucked up. Not that Shouma was fucked up. And again I'm pretty sure it says on one of the flashback things in 20 that Shouma felt lonely.
>If Ikuhara wanted to say Kanba is a pretty cool guy so it's OK that he killed innocent people, at least he could argue that Kanba singlehandely maintained Shouma and Himari so he became the father figure de facto.
He didn't have to say Kanba was a pretty cool guy. This was already obvious. As you point out, he did shoulder a lot out of love for his siblings. And in any case, he was punished for his misdeeds in the end so in no way "it's OK" that he killed people.
>HUUURRRR KANBA GAVE AN APPLE TO SHOUMA!!! CAGES!!!! is just bullshit.
Please don't sperg, it makes for poor discussion.
I think Kanba's dad was part of the Penguin Force. Kanba told his dad that he would stay with him if Masako and Mario were sent to go live with their grandfather. After which, Kanba's dad died.
Shouma looked like a happy kid. It was never mentioned he was lonely, just Masako despised him for not listening to the leader's rants despite being his only son. Typical sentimental wisdom, Shouma's old man was ranting about how society doesn't care about the children while an abandoned child was at the next door. Shouma didn't have the capacity or the will to listen to his dad's speeches but he actually saved someone instead of doing terrorist shit.
>She doesn't break it, it just comes into view. When he pulls it out of his chest it's a glowing orb, not an entire apple. When it stops glowing, you see it's half an apple.
Meant to write "it breaks in half", not "she". And it most definitely breaks. For me it seems to mean there wasn't enough to share. Every time the sharing of fate motif was used in the show, a full apple was shared in half, never a half apple shared in two quarters.
>That's because he wanted her to have fate. Both Kanba and Shouma have Himari their remaining pieces of fate. That's why they disappeared and she didn't.
Yes, which basically means both of them let go of Himari so she won't be punished with them. Shouma for his parents' actions, Kanba for his owns.
>It was never mentioned he was lonely
He had zero friends before Himari. I can guarantee you he was lonely. I doubt having neglectful parents was very good for him as well.
I know but Kanba was still an orphan that was taken for pity. The Takakuras could send him to his grandpa but under their POV, that would be fucking terrible for him. It was already hard to feed 2 kids while elluding the police just to receive one more.
>Shouma for his parents' actions
Why Japan can't into individuality?
>It was already hard to feed 2 kids while elluding the police just to receive one more.
I'm not so sure about that. Kanba got stacks of money from the remnants, it wouldn't be far-fetched for them to as well.
In any case, Kanba was definitely chosen. He was in a wealthy family with people that cared about him. He rejected all of that. Anything "unchosen" about him was of his own doing.
That's part of what Penguindrum is addressing. You've got characters like Tabuki that say the children shouldn't be accountable for the sins of the parents, but even he finds it difficult to not hate them for their parents actions and attempts to punish them. He only stops when he realizes he is putting them through the same thing he was saved from by Momoka.
That's just your fanwank. A lot of the suffering is caused by the perspective. Shouma didn't feel neglected or at least never showed it. He seems to think his dad was a cool guy with an important job (terrorism).
Except it happens anyway, at least Shouma saw his dead as a punishment
>That's just your fanwank
Oh fuck off. Everything you type is "fanwank." Stop trying to dismiss opinions just because they don't fit your own narrative.
Shouma was shown without friends. When he first talks to Himari, he sounds pretty depressed. When they become friends, he is MUCH happier. When his cat is murdered, they're both depressed. I assume he was very depressed when he and Kanba were starving to death in the boxes as well. Stop ignoring things that happened just so you can pretend he was sunshine and rainbows.
I think you're thinking of the box metaphor as some kind of deep, somber and depressing solitude, while Sanetoshi implies being boxed is a very common thing.
Not to mention the entirety of Ringo's issues with her family.
On that note, I still find it interesting that her parents' views on Ringo change from the flashback to the present.
>her mother can't let go of Momoka, while her father yells at her not to ignore Ringo
>mother is living with Ringo and seems perfectly fine, while her father left, remarried, and is focused on a new family life
>Shouma for his parents' actions
Except I still don't think that's true. It's more like both of them died so Himari and Ringo could live. There might be some punishment for parent's sins in there, but I don't think either of them view it as such.
That's a pretty interesting observation. I hadn't noticed that.
I thought it was amazing.
The middle kind of dragged a bit until shit got real again, though. There wasn't a lot of cohesion though. On rewatch, you realize so much was just completely pointless.
Poor Ringo. All she wanted was a loving family to have curry day with.
Shouma was literally playing and smiling before he met Himari. He saw a sad little girl and he wanted to play and make her smile, that's all. Himari was the depressed one so Shouma felt sad by empathy. It'd be awkward to laugh when the cat died. Stop ignoring things happen just you can pretend he was depressed and miserable.
>tfw Shouma will never fuck a burning Ringo
>On rewatch, you realize so much was just completely pointless.
I disagree. It lacks a cohesive core narrative, true, but mostly everything is always directly tied up with setting or development any particular character or relationship.
I'm playing and smiling all the time and I'm lonely.
Took too long for someone to post this. ;_;
I hate you so much right now
>Shouma was literally playing and smiling before he met Himari.
He wasn't smiling. He was outside, by himself, playing with an apple on a railing. There is absolutely nothing indicative of him being a happy child before that. In fact, if you paid attention to the story, they admit they're only happy with each other. You also seem to forget that both him and Kanba were in the boxes. Shouma didn't have a fate until Kanba gave one to him.
Why is she so cute?
Other then the fact Shouma himself thinks about how lonely he was during that time?
>It's more like both of them died so Himari and Ringo could live
Yes, but the reason someone was destined to die in the first place was because they were cursed by what their parents had done.
It isn't really as amazing as you make it out to be.
It's actually more amazing than it was made out to be.
So, Shouma's self-loathing was right