is the Golden Age of KyoAni over?
aside from nichijou, they haven't been good since the debut of k-on
Could your taste be any more shit?
>Implying K-ON was good
Hyouka was their last good work.
They haven't got huge Kadokawa budgets any more. Plus they keep adapting shit source material.
I think the real problem is the quality of their own LN's that they're adapting. They've been very mediocre.
It was over once Chuu2 came out.
No. It's only just begun.
They have found a winning formula and are going to milk it to death. Otaku pandering will be the death of the industry.
I'm going to screen cap this, and laugh at you until this season is over.
I'm feeling weird vibes from the track. Trainwreck incoming
I think he was implying that it wasn't, so you're both shit taste having fools.
Never cared for Kyoani, I don't remember liking a single anime that they made
>fsn 2014 by kyoani
You need to watch Munto, that's why.
Not even The Disappearance? I think it's one of the best anime movies out there, it blows Haruhi TV (which is mediocre) out of the water.
Speaking of which I really hope Kyoani do the Yuki spin off anime that was announced, and since Ishihara is said to be getting a new show this year...
I will hate kyoani until they make a third K-on season.
K-on doesn't need a third season. It ended at the perfect place.
Why is Oreki more attractive then the Free! faggots?
>I think it's one of the best anime movies out there
More like one of the best movies period. God damn the music was great too
The Free guys are too sharp looking. I just wanted moeblob males doing moe things but got DRAMA and bad anatomy.
The sex hair, man.
Are you implying Oreki is a moeblob? Nigga I will fight you.
Are you talking about Shaft?
>Golden Age of KyoAni over?
KyoAni had a Golden Age?
You said it
Chu-2 Ren is already confirmed 10/10 after the first episode, so I'm not sure why you'll be laughing.
It's a shame, truly. Free shouldn't have had that shit DRAMA, it should have been K-ON with boys. The only good thing in Free is the characters, but even that isn't really great. They're all generic as fuck, even more generic than the keions.
Kyoani had just proved they could produce the moe-est boys in the universe, and then they changed their artstyle to go from soft, adorable boys, to anorexic guys with edges everywhere in their bodies.
Pic related, the moeblobest. I can't wait for the TM Movie, I need new Mochizou doses.
>Pander to the people who actually buy stuff.
>Death of the industry.
Nope, Takemoto is confirmed to be working on a new show, possibly an original.
He will save us all.
>is the Golden Age of KyoAni over?
The Golden Age of KyoAni IS NEVER OVER BRO
They will never do something as good as Hyouka and the Haruhi's movie, but economically they are strong and can afford to do things that don't sell well (Tamako).
There never was one.
The last good show they did was Hyouka.
>10/10 after one episode
The first episode was pretty average. The trainwreck is about to come.
Because of that. Please tell me you're not serious
Who is Takemoto and what does he do
No, they're just in transition to a new golden age. Of their original properties, Free and Chuu2 have been successful if they can keep finding more hits and get a good LN writer to publish with them they've struck gold.
Was Hyouka an original work?
Plenty of studios would be perfectly happy with the numbers that Tamako got. It was proof that no matter what KyoAnus shits out it will still sell decently well. They don't even have to try, that's why they have switched strategy to just advertising their own shitty LNs because the stupid nips will eat it all up anyway.
Director of Haruhi and Hyouka
Director of Hyouka and Disappearance.
He's Kyoani's best.
That last good thing Kyoani produced was K-On season 2.
Hyouka is based on a novel series.
Yes, I blame Hyou....
The KyoAni ride never ends.
This give me hope.
all the arguments you provide are cool and stuff...
...but i really hope you don't rate sao/snk 10 out of 10 on your mal, because that would be an overkill
Have you seen KnK first volume sales ? It is a disaster.
They seriously need to reconsider their method of putting huge money on mediocre LN. Hyouka was their best attempt, they will never surpass it. They need to move out of shool drama.
The problem is all the otaku are going to die and there will be no one to replace them because no one is having kids anymore over there
>They're all generic as fuck
>even more generic than the keions.
Well didn't they drop the source materiel for KnK during episode four.
I love K-On and would love to see more episodes. I hate that it's over and that no new material will ever be made for it. However, it ended perfectly and it would be near impossible to do a season 3 without it feeling underwhelming. K-On should be left where it is.
That'll depend on if the fuck up the Tamako Market Movie, or not.
The success of Free and Chuu2 are giving Kyoani a very good reason to keep churning out their own properties.
Ever since they started their IP bullshit, yes.
Hyouka was a masterpiece and Kyoani's recent shows have been better than their pre 2010 productions
Masterpieces are born as masterpieces
Didn't it manage 5k+? That's not exactly a disaster.
Come on now, Hyouka was great but it wasn't a masterpiece.
Their recent shows have been shitty too.
Hyouka's in a separate category as KnK, Kadokawa funded it and received the majority of its profits. That is why Kyoani has started adapting their own works such as Chuuni and KnK, because it is more profitable for them in the long run.
I couldn't agree with you any more.
Everything is top quality in Hyouka.
>tfw people who disagrees with this blatantly sputter words like "KyoAni-fag" and "Hyouka is shit"
>Hyouka not a masterpiece
Not him, but I would call it a masterpiece for the visuals and character interactions, I honestly believe it will be part of the best anime of this decade.
Hyouka was borderline great, at most.
I'll admit it's excellent aesthetically.
Free! and KnK were both subpar, but Tamako and Chuuni were great. Doubt we'll see another K-ON, Haruhi or Hyouka right away, but I don't think they are past their prime.
I would say that Free was better than Tamako, despite it being average-ok at most.
Apparently this is now an ice cream thread.
No, obviously it's ahead. They will become a major player in the business, very independent, and they will do whatever necessary to make /a/ rage. It will be glorious.
>Kyoani's recent shows have been better than their pre 2010 productions
I mean really Air Kanon and Clannad? That's even worse than Haruhi
I didn't like their KEY shows, so I enjoy their recent stuff more although it's pretty medicore.
But 2009-2012 (K-ON-Hyouka) was KyoAni's golden time.
I would say you have shit taste. Tamako was great.
Don't worry, you have shit taste too.
Tamako was just average. It had some fun characters but a lot held it back like the browns and that dirty slut Anko. I hope they don't show up in the movie.
>Free! and KnK were both subpar, but Tamako and Chuuni were great.
You have this backwards.
Not >>100249068. I kinda get where you're coming from, but I'm inclined to disagree. It's probably because I watched them at different paces (Free! 2 days and Tamako over 1 week). But I felt that you got the problems a little bit too much in your face in Free! (there was always that rivaling and moving away thing) and the contrast of humor vs problems was sort of broken I felt. I really liked free though.
Tamako was much more gentle on the surface, but you could really sense the story behind each character much more clearly I felt.
My head has been burning all day, so I can't really write straight right now.
Kyoani should make new mecha, shonen or mahou shoujo (no romance/harem) anime.
KNK and chuu2 are pathetic.
Chuuni and Free - good sol with bad drama
Tamako was mediocre.
KnK is shit.
It had some good episodes, but overall it was a pretty subpar series, and incredibly underwhelming for Kyoani's first original. Many of the characters suffered from poor characterization, especially Shiori and the islanders, and the show's pacing fell apart towards the end.
>people actually hating Tamako
Seriously, it was a fresh SoL.
Chuu2 was great.
Tamako and Free were OK.
KnK was shit.
Okay then what's your masterpiece then?
Also without saying bebop,NGE or something from Satoshi Kon.
Would she be curious enough to let Oreki do her in the butt?
Chuu is romance, not SoL.
Anon, just face the fact you're never getting more FMP.
>Kyoani's first original
>everyone forgot about Munto already
Nobody's hating on Tamako, the most anyone has said is that it's average.
There are plenty of other SoLs that outclass it, including many by Kyoani themselves.
>not disguised self insert haremshit
Full Metal Panic? More like Code Geass with a shitty tsundere.
I don't get it either. I'm watching it for the first time right now. On episode 4 and every time I finish an episode I just have this overwhelming war happy feeling all throughout my body. I haven't felt like this since K-on!
You keep using that word
recent years? tatami galaxy.
no period bound? gto comes to mind.
oh and NGE isn't even great lmao.
Harem is anything with a male MC and more than one female. Didn't you get the memo?
>every time I finish an episode I just have this overwhelming war happy feeling
>war happy feeling
Are you okay?
Fuck I want to bite Oreki's arm.
Yes. All according to plan.
They'll relent and animate one of FMP, Haruhi or Rewrite in Summer of Fall of this year, I can feel it.
>thinly veiled Hyouka thread
I enjoyed it but it's understandable why somebody wouldn't like it, even if they were a fan of sol.
What I thought it did wrong was it introduced too many new characters and gave them all very basic backstories with plenty of opportunities to explore further, but that exploration never came. The story and development of the characters really could have gone anywhere, but it didn't.
When did it start?
>protected by 3 lines of rifleman
Gee, batman, how does one stop nobunagun.
KnK was actually fine, I still laugh about all the fags who fell for the "no overarching plot" etc. trolls. Then again, hiding clue scenes after the credits was a sign they wanted to mess with impatient/casual viewers. Sad thing is, you not only have the usual trolls but also butthurt SoL fans and those that were still raging about Free!, all of them combined. Thankfully, it sells decent and there will be either more of that or at least more of the same, I hope. I look forward to more more serious anime from KyoAni.
>Kyoani's first original.
Chuu2 was already produced under their new award strategy. Not sure if this goes for TM as well, maybe that was done purely on staff alone? But then again it makes no sense to call it the first, as the following projects again were sourced through the award.
every KyoAni thread is thinly veiled Hyouka thread
>blah blah blah sales Kyoani is finished only good thing they've done recently is Hyouka
>excuse me sir, but Hyouka is KyoAni's masterpiece
>posts Hyouka 2 MB screenshot.jpg
literally every thread
Not really. It was pretty obvious bait from OP's post.
I just want more moe Oreki.
Go ahead, do our worst. I'll just pull out another line of riflemen. There's no problem that can'[t be solved with more guns.
The people who hate Tamako are romancefags, thats why Kyoani will make a movie with romance.
Male characters ruin shows with cute girls. They are a fucking pest.
More guns of course.
I meant Tamako was the first Kyoani animated production that wasn't an adaptation of an existing work, but forgot about Munto, as >>100249700
Not too sure about that, it might be not a legit Hyouka fan but just someone that wants to further the show-wars among the KyoAni fanbase.
And yet, I thought this kid was way more cuter than the girls.
Lets all just agree that Nichijoint was the greatest, mkay?
>The people who hate Tamako are romancefags
I seriously doubt that. They are mostly people who have higher standards for SoL series.
You mean shippers. Those were the most butthurt about TM. The rest was simply disappointed in the borefest in turned out to be.
you know it
Ah, I see. Well, it will be interesting to see what they put out this year. I fully expect Free!! in the summer, the TM movie was slated for April, which covers spring, so that leaves fall for the alleged Takemoto project that was mentioned for this year. Will it be another adaption? An anime original? Or even a new cooperation with Kadokawa? The latter would be big, considering their relations after Nichijou, and I heard talk about a Haruhi spinoff centering around Yuki - somebody knows more about that or is this wishful thinking of the usual delusional crew that always asks for more FMP and Haruhi?
KnK a shit. The only good thing is the ED. That ED man
Kyoani went full retard on that one. It's like they shit it up on purpose.
>Male characters ruin shows with cute girls.
Then I'd rather have KyoAni making a show without cute girls before I endlessly get one CGDCT SoL after another.
I'll fight you for real nigger.
You know what they say about Hyoukafags, they actually believe their show had better animation than Nichijou. It's that bad.
1v1 me irl smokeweedevrday
What exactly is the "golden age of KyoAni"? No one seems to be able to agree on what it is they used to do that made them so great compared to what they do now. And I mean specifics.
They animated stuff that wasn't their own IP
Makee another show that makes them as rich as K-On did.
As long as they keep up their good animation and production schedules they will always be in the golden age to me.
Episode 6 was quite good, and I thought the characters were entertaining despite being rather underdeveloped. The balance between action and comedy was generally alright, but the pacing was very poor and the ending was awful. They just couldn't fit everything into 13 episodes, which is a common complaint of mine for their shows.
I honestly think people are giving it way too much flack when Kyoani has made worse shows.
That doesn't explain anything, why is animating other people's stuff inherently better than animating their own?
Before the K-ON! syndrome that seems to plague all of their recent shows.
You're not telling me what they did that was good, you're telling me what they're doing now that you don't like.
I must have missed that memo.
Because their own stuff is worse.
The 'comedy' was fucking awful.
Everything that was made before their belief that injecting unneeded and asinine crap would enhance their shows sticked in.
A portion of the Haruhi fanbase feels entitled to a another season instead of accepting it's dead.
Are you doing this on purpose? I'm not asking to tell me what you dislike about what they do now. Which shows of theirs define this "golden age", and what was so good about them?
At this point it's just nostalgia googles.
when every show they put out did 20k+ literally every time
2003-2010. It doesn't have to do with recent shows, but more with the fact they just peaked at the top of the hill with Disapperance.
I seriously hope you're not implying that the pre-K-ON character designs looked better.
It'd take an attractive sameface over those ugly bug creatures any day.
I didn't find it particularly worse than what Kyoani tends to put in their comedy/SoLs.
But most of that money wouldn't go to Kyoani. They get more profits adapting their own properties, even if the overall sales are lower.
>that 2005-2007 slump
I'm glad it's over.
Replace Nichijou with Hyouka, and K-On with Disappearance, you you have it right.
What's with all the love for that ED, seriously. I can't find anything good about it, it's just shit with a shit song playing in the background.
>chuu2 was two years ago
5 seasons, actually.
It was over after Hyouka.
Kyoani is good when it comes to direction and animation but they can't write for shit.
Letting some neckbeards write light novels for them (Chuu2, Tamako, KnK anf Free) turned out profitable but it's still shit.
So, Haruhi, basically?
"009 best year. It's the year of my waifu.
K-ON killed Kyoani just like Shrek killed Dreamwork.
Shrek was good.
K-ON was good. But the success changed both forever in a bad way with them trying to do their own shit in a way similar to their great works but both fail.
Nichijou > all
Azusa has autism.
But K-On wasn't their own shit, how could it have started that trend?
If you want to summarize it sure. But there was also good works like Clannad and FMP. The only really true shit they pumped out was Lucky Star.
Haruhi wasn't that bad, only Air/Kanon/Clannad are overkill.
The K-ON anime hasn't much to do with the mediocre K-ON manga.
It is mostly original material.
2006-2010 if we measure it by commercial success. They made Haruhi, Lucky Star, Clannad and K-On! during that span and their lowest sales were 17.000 bds( Endless Eight).
It's my favorite piece of media, globally, regardless of medium. It's the only thing I consider to be a full 10/10.
You don't like How to train your dragon and The origin of the guardians?
>good works like Clannad
I can only partially agree. Some characters definitely left room for development, e.g. Hiroomi and especially Fujima. Then again, they were set up with an intriguing backstory to begin with - something that a lot of anime simply disregard. What leaves this feeling of underdevelopment is the hint at complexity, similar to the first episodes when some motivations weren't fully explained right away (cue the neverending "Why did she stab him, it makes no sense!!"). Of course now the show has ended and those "underdeveloped" characters remain, which - together with the events in the last two episodes - makes me think that it was conceptualized with a follow-up project in mind and thus leaving some substantial character content to be explored in the future.
I also do not agree with the pacing, on the contrary. It generally transitioned very smooth and natural, with one of the lesser perfect moments being Sakura giving up on regarding Mirai as an enemy, which could've been extended a little more. Also, on a larger scale, the pace structure was absolutely fine, and this is even including the filler episode, which was placed very fittingly.
"The ending was awful" sounds rather like a personal opinion, as no professional concern is mentioned. Maybe it's regarding Mirai's return? Still, a lot of ambiguity in the events of the last episode, not only how (and in what form) Mirai returned, but also the conflict between Izumi and Fujima is obviously rather postponed than solved
Kyoani Is really hit or miss, they've always been that way. Its ether a hit or shit. They don't know how to do anything in the middle.
The VN was shit tons better, but the anime wasn't bad.
Damn character limit.
So, in short, it seems that we should rather wait for a follow-up project to potentially wrap things up before jumping to conclusions that there won't be anything more. This is the same mistake most people (or at least a vocal part of /a/) made when watching the first episodes, and their gripes were addressed in later episodes.
free beer to first person who objectively points few arguments why is clannad a bad adaptation of vn?
to hit on your point about the ending being awful, people think it was awful because on the face (and thats all we can take it on since we dont have any other information) all of the episodes basically had to no serious impact, since in the end, everything is as it was when she first came, if not better, since she has friends and is part of a club.
Unless they manage to top Hyouka.
They are okay but not masterpiece tier like Shrek.
Epic shrek meme bro
I love it
The golden age never existed the other studios were just shit.
I'm just interesting in know what's stopping KyoAni of making FMP S4.
I want to see BOMF animated ;_;
It is a good movie.
It beat Pixars Monster Inc for a reason.
The usual Anime to VN adaptation problems. Erratic pacing, scenes skipped, mixed parts, etc.
Happened multiple times already.
Forced drama overload, where's my beer?
kyoani needs to stop recycling the same gimmick. they know that if they throw in the same art style, some cute characters with different little quips each time, and a somewhat reused story, people will just eat it up.
>kyoani needs to stop recycling the same gimmick
That would imply stopping the staff from doing what they like, meaning they'd probably do nothing at all.
considering the short airtime of just 2 seasons, for a game capable of like triple that
was there any real argument telling clannad was crap? soundtrack was neat(because it was from the game), animation was good at the time, the story all in all held the standards(having in mind that its just one route that meets its complex ending/put away kyou and tomoyo afterstories which are just specials)
how are ppl calling clannad bad? it was a good adaptation of great novels. or are people just hating vn adaptations overall? how come nobody hates steins;gate for the lack of other routes?
Hyouka is the most liked work by Kyoani for people who usually hates Kyoani. Why is that?
Yeah, GodAni is dead. Rest in RIP GodAni, I will really miss you. Fucking Chuu2 and free
isn't that, like, KEY's trademark?
>That'll depend on if the fuck up the Tamako Market Movie, or not.
i'm actually fascinated how they'll tackle a shoujo-esque romance
g8 b8 m8
>some cute characters with different little quips each time, and a somewhat reused story
This describes like 90% of all anime ever.
There was never any real sense of threat in the show like why is KnK so bad and all the jazz. It was oh so generic with it's going to destroy the world! Nothing ever felt at stake and I never really ever looked forward to any episode and even the finale didn't even feel climatic. The fight scenes were pretty aesthetically but they were never really impressive. The world just had very poor development along with the cliche characters with cliche motivations. Most fictionals works are good because theres lot of explanations for their world's laws and world building but this show had next to none and everything was very vague on how youmus worked, what youmus were, where all the powers came from, how they worked, what they actually did with the stones, etc. Sure there are some explanations like hurr they are the manifestation's of man's negative emotions, but that just very weak and not specific enough to give more implications of how their world worked.
Thats nichijou. Hyouka is usually liked by the KeyAni/Haruhi movie fans.
nichijou tops every kyoani stuff
>everything is as it was when she first came, if not better, since she has friends and is part of a club.
Yes, which is not as it was at all. I can see how superficially it might look like a return to the status quo, as the KnK is back in Aki, he's still a half-youmu, and no major player died - but that's about it.
Mirai's whole life changed, Aki's partially, Izumi's influence (which was pretty much orchestrating all prior events) is gone with her, making Hiroomi the head of the clan (and he seems to stand up to caveguy) - though I wished for Izumi being a tad more evil and getting killed at the end, but the scenario I wished for would've required at least 4 more episodes. I realize that this is as far as KyoAni dares to step into the darker realms for now, and I never had any doubt the KnK would end up in Aki again, as it would be kinda weird to kill the name-giving entity of the show. So for now, I'm okay with the physical and "characteristical" changes we got in the end, but yeah, I also hope for future, similar projects to have more drastical impact.
i blame Ishidate
he felt he's like an excited child with a new tool to play with but had no idea to truly utilize it in its full potential
>I realize that this is as far as KyoAni dares to step into the darker realms for now
Sadly, this is why Kyoani will never produce Rewrite, even if they start to adapt other companies' stuff.
>KyoAni adapts shoujo manga/makes shoujo anime
>KyoAni adapts josei manga
>all the jazz
>I never really ever looked forward
Well, it seems you're very emotional in your judgment. May I also remind you that the vagueness even included the KnK destroying the world, as we only have Izumi's word for it. Of course that's poison for anyone wanting a clear explanation in matters even the in-universe characters had to speculate about. Regarding the world building, it was pretty much explained how youmus come into existence, it was shown how the spirit warriors operate and finance themselves. Some can be clearly derived from that, some is a bit more vague - I greatly prefer this approach to something like e.g. SAO or Log Horizon, where even action sequences are stopped in order to explain what is going on, or like Death Note which introduced half a dozen new rules per episode later on.
I guess this comes down to personal tastes, if one prefers a show that leaves room to speculate or if everything is spelt out clearly and without any doubt.
Yeah, because they bought so many KnK copies, amirite?
5.3k first week isn't bad at all.
But don't forget I included "for now" - it's quite possible that they continue down this path, which I hope for. Never say never.
Not at fucking all, They're still good as ever.
I do hope do an original in the future.
>Hyouka is the most liked work by Kyoani for people who usually hates Kyoani
You mean Nichijou. Kyoanifags hated it.
>Kyoanifags hated it.
I am a huge KyoAni fan and I loved it
not even that great animation can save that shitty OP
Yep, Kyoani is making crap now.
>Kyoanifags hated it.
I still don't get all the alleged factions. I like shows rather than studios, of course a certain style can be favored, but surely not over the actual content. I love Hyouka and Nichijou, they are both fine in their own regard.
So, you mean KyoAni fans hated Nichijou? This would make more sense, because it is further from the typical KyoAni style, while Hyouka fits it perfectly.
>I still don't get all the alleged factions
If you like Free, anything KyoAni made after KnK, or liking KyoAni in general you are a fujoshi tumblr landwhale. No exceptions.
There's a guy on a crusade against KyoAni, watch out for "otaku mockery", "no sexualization", "equivalent of Free fanservice", "blob bodies" , among other things. If you disagree, you will be called that.
>I still laugh about all the fags who fell for the "no overarching plot" etc. trolls.
Hurr durr nothing happened reset ending
>Character driven story
>Huge changes take place
>Things still happen in terms of the overarching plot
Easily the most irrational hatebase I've ever seen.
Shitposters from /v/ who think that anime studios are like games consoles and that you have to be dedicated to one and dislike all others.
This is not a show you can speculate on because everything is too shallow to speculate anything with. Everything is youmus, I ain't gotta explain shit. Stop trying to pretend KnK is a complex fictional work that only enlightened dedicated viewers like yourself can understand when it is less thought out that dribbel like SAO that you hate. You're more delusional than people who think Mawaru Penguindrum is a masterpiece and the only reason other people don't like it is because it's too sophisticated and meaningful for them.
Sounds like someone is buttmad that he can't understand why people like things.
Go watch something more your speed, like Bleach.
>anything KyoAni made after KnK
1 episode of Chuu2 2?
Yeah, I've seen this guy a few times. I like to think he's just kidding, but then again, crazy persons on the internet are not unheard of.
>shits on Mawaru Penguindrum
I can practically see you trying to watch it.
I-I don't even, This is meant to be ironic right?
when did KyoAni become mainstream
I thought it was anti-newfag
Personally, I found anything they made in the recent time rather disappointing.
Maybe I'm just getting too old for the type of shows they do.
The fanbase of Mawaru Penguindrum, just like the fanbase of Hyouka, overlaps to a large degree with the tumblr crowd who can't take a single bit of criticism and are eager to insult anyone who doesn't agree with their world view.
Are there any anime fandoms that *don't* have big tumblr wings?
Anything that objectifies womyn.
>the tumblr crowd
Come off it, is it really so hard to accept that people who disagree with you, even in ways you find distateful, can't be raised right here on /a/?
From what I've seen, people who don't like Key's style really don't like Key's style. It comes down to personal preference.
Clannad was about as good of a VN adaptation as one can hope for, but it will never be perfect. It took almost all of the most powerful moments from the game and still kept it running as a continuous, coherent story. The only things that didn't really translate well to anime were the Sunohara/Mei arc (which wasn't very good to begin with, in my opinion) and the ending of After Story. Seriously, the ending of AS in the novel was 10/10, since the whole illusionary world and orbs of light legend was a much bigger part of the story. They pretty much glazed over that in the anime so it came off as an asspull.
If you even marginally liked Clannad in anime form, play the fucking visual novel. It's amazing. Key's absolute best in my opinion. Although the Refrain arc in Little Busters is a very close second.
>people who don't like Key's style really don't like Key's style
-All 3 FMPs
-Lucky Star (after Yamakan nearly saved the series into the ground), and OVA
Some people don't like the style of heavy drama that Key is known for.
People always doubt them, but they always find a way
It's called Kadokawa.
kyoani needs anime like kokoro connect
No, which sadly is the reason we’ll never see more.
I am really anxious about this. When I first heard I was pacing around in my room.
Hyouka is their TV masterpiece. If it had gotten a movie I would have expected it to top Disappearance easily.
>which sadly is the reason we’ll never see more.
What? They covered 3 of 4 novels. That's the reason they aren't already making more.
Did you miss that after Hyouka they didn’t animate any IP they didn’t own?
Relax, it's been less than 2 years. Yes, IPs they own are more profitable, but if they enjoyed making it and more source material becomes available there's no reason to think they won't make more.
Didn't Hyouka only sell okay? I doubt it got the money back with the huge budget the show had.
It averaged 9k and made the novels one of Kadokawa's biggest properties of 2012. Not bad at all I'd say.
It did something like 10k per unit, and they were priced a bit higher to begin with.
Certainly not K-On! level, but definitely more than most other shows sell.
Well it’s a pretty brusque change and it’s looking like this is the path they’ve chosen. Plus they also directly compete with Kadokawa now through publishing their own LN line.
Gonna laugh if it turns out Takemoto’s doing Yuki-chan though
- We don’t know their budgets, and we don’t know the numbers they sell on their own since they don’t report them.
- Investment in the series came from Kadokawa, so it’s not as much of a financial risk (and also not as much of a moneymaker)
- It sold OK, though obviously sales weren’t the greatest.
>obviously sales weren’t the greatest they’ve seen*
is there a 0% chance that KyoAni will adapt properties other than their own?
We don’t have magic mirrors. We don’t know, but it’s not looking that way for now.
Yes. In fact they released a statement that said "We will never adapt IPs we don't own ever again. Nichijou? Hyouka? Fuck that noise. We got that Free! and Chuu2 money!"
It's just rumors, but I heard they were not happy at all about how Kadokawa handled the marketing and distribution of Nichijou, effectively ruining the sales, and that the relationship was very strained since then.
And yeah, now it seems they have decided to focus on their own IPs, which will give them much more authority regarding what's happening to the franchises.
Give them some time, and they might become more competitive and thus more attractive to artists. It seems that so far, they are on a way to grow (see the success of Chuu2 and especially Free) which might give them more leeway when negotiating adaptions of outside IPs. But I'd guess they want to become more independent before going back to that MO
Their relationship was strained because Ito took the blame for Nichijou's flop and was demoted, and he was the person who had the bonds with KyoAni at Kadokawa.
>but I heard they were not happy at all about how Kadokawa handled the marketing and distribution of Nichijou, effectively ruining the sales, and that the relationship was very strained since then.
>Did Hyouka a year later
Strained relationship doesn’t mean no cooperation. China and Japan are still trading.
>they were not happy at all about how Kadokawa handled the marketing and distribution of Nichijou
And it's a fucking shame.
Honestly, Nichijou and Hyouka are the only outside IPs I care to see more of in the future from them, the rest I'm ok with being original.
The fact that Nichijou had so much love and care put into it, from the ridiculous OST to the celebrity VAs doing the previews to the beautiful animation makes me sick to see more people didn't buy it.
Aren't they already competitive enough? Every KyoAni show is hyped as fuck, there shouldn't be any writer/screenwriter who wouldn't work for them.
I'd really like to know their reaction about KnK underwhelming sales.
Yeah, obviously they didn't storm out the room and slammed the door immediately. Maybe there were already contracts. Maybe the relationship just took a blow and deterioriated slowly over the following year. Like a spouse cheats but the pair tries to save the marriage before realizing it won't work anymore. Maybe it's all a bunch of bullshit and they just felt like doing what they're doing now.
Or you know Kyo Ani just wants to do more original shit while Kadowaka sits on their asses with FMP, Haruhi, and Luck Star. It's really not that big a deal.
Kadokawa has a massive publishing arm, there's no way KyoAni can compete with that. So a mangaka or LN writer would go to Kadokawa rather than KyoAni, I guess, unless they aim for an anime adaption right away. Which is attractive, of course, but if in first line they think of publishing their printed work, it's more likely they end up at Kadokawa.
>KnK underwhelming sales.
I think most of /a/ did not expect it to sell above 5k in the first week. Unless you now want to start the "KyoAni needs at least 15k to break even" routine.
Oh right, I remember hearing about that!
>I think most of /a/ did not expect it to sell above 5k in the first week.
What is Ito doing now?
KnK had an event ticket bundle but it didn't really do much for sales. Subsequent volumes will drop hard if an event ticket only managed 5k even VVV's event ticket offer gave it 8k first volume sales.
What was the event ticket for?
And ... what? Are you new? This is a standard bonus in the industry, just like KlK added a remix OST, BB added DLC, SamFlam added an event ticket etc. So you can assume all the shows that came with attractive bonuses to flop on their own? Look at SamFlam, it didn't have any effect at all.
>This is a standard bonus in the industry
Uh it's not.
He worked in Yuushibu last season
>This is a standard bonus in the industry
No it's not. Not every anime has an event ticket bonus and there's no guarantee that the event ticket offer will do anything for it. In KnK case it didn't.
>This is a standard bonus in the industry
>Only two shows from last season had an event ticket offer
Also OST and DLC deals are different retard since they don't push the same numbers as concert ticket or VA ticket offers.
It's a standard bonus. That doesn't mean EVERY show comes with it, but it is one of the standard bonuses that are frequently used. It's pretty clear form what I wrote that there are several other bonuses that are as well standard, like an OST edition or - the most common, probably - illustration books.
He's pointing out that KnK sales are like that because of the event ticket which helped increased sales by a bit but wasn't enough to make a difference regardless.
>This is a standard bonus in the industry, just like KlK added a remix OST, BB added DLC
Those aren't the same thing. Tell me when a series with an OST or DLC offering can reach the insane sales as Uta Prince Concert ticket offering.
>It's a standard bonus
But it's not. Since Event ticket offers are different from a fucking remix OST and a DLC you fucking idiot. They usually push event ticket offers as a last minute gambit to get seiyuu fags inetersted in buying the show. The only time DLC offering were pushed were for the Idolmaster anime.
>event tickets not being used multiple times each season as a bonus
It's as if I'm taking crazy pills.
Butthurt fujoshit detected
You belong on the retard list.
Why do people cream themselves over Hyouka?
It was mediocre at best, fairly bland albeit with good animation.
>event tickets not being used multiple times each season as a bonus
>Only TWO FUCKING SHOWS last season used it
Well, if this is your first season watching anime, you're excused. You will see them frequently from now on, and in a year or two they won't be that special to you.
>Got proven wrong
>LOL YOU MUST BE NEW!
I'm not sure why you're trying to play stupid now.
Fuck, so that's where things went downhill.
If you mean gold as in Jewgold then yes Kyoani is shitting bars of gold.
>thinks event tickets are something special
>not obviously new
Oh wait, yeah ... there's another option, pic related. Sorry for misjudging you.
Do they report the sales anywhere?
Why would they?
I don't understand that point in your retarded stance. They're pointing out that KnK's sales were elevated by the event ticket but not much as this anon >>100263734 pointed out sales will drop substantially without the boost. Event tickets are just a standard ploy to give people more initiative to buy it since you can't get them anywhere else especially if you're a fan.
dunno, legal reasons? public tax documents or something like that, no idea
To appease our curiosity
>public tax documents
Tax reporting and income is handled by the public and not the government?
I'd rather they appease my desire for more Nichijou.
They peaked with Hyouka, but I think they can do something almost as good again if they wanted to. Chuu22 has been enjoyable so far, but granted not even close to the level of Hyouka.
ED2 was cute. Who did it?
>yfw KnK out sold Nichijou
>>yfw KnK out sold Nichijou
Wow stop the presses its almost as if it wasn't marketed badly
>Tax reporting and income is handled by the public and not the government?
Hey, I ain't got no clue about them taxes, man. I guess I might have confused it with stock market companies, they have to publish some parts of their profit/loss stuff, I think?
KyoAni isn’t a publicly traded company lol
>tfw KyoAni goes to the stock market
I want to yell at you, but you're not being arrogant and pretending you know things so I won't.
No they don't, and even if they did need to post profits, they wouldn't need to give a breakdown by product.
Please read some more books.
They could do it just to be nice.
Fuck if I was able to save the industry with investing I would.
What would their ticker be?
It would literally have no positive effect for them, and that kind of transparency is bad business sense.
Never let the competition know how your insides are working.
What happened to KyoAni in 2009?
Is was the opening-scene of the dark history like the glory?
What kwaii Elu-Tan is!
Chunibyou Ren Ep.2 Trailer
I love tamakos
Kyoani new anime:
Apparently KyoAni is gonna be doing something written by the same guy that did FMP.
Is this Takemoto's work? Fucking hyped
It's cool you're a nip and all, but goddamn, work on your English. I have no idea what you're saying in your second sentence.
K-ON was shit
Why does she sit like that?
>Is was the opening-scene of the dark history like the glory?
It's a typo. Sorry.
It was the opening-scene …
If that's Kadokawa, it will end all speculation about why they won't do other adaptions anymore. So they did not limit themselves to own IPs.